intelligent design? i think math is the answer to that.
i think that is the point of intelligent design, it is a signature itself , i am not just talking from a chrstian point of view but from A-NUTHER. point of view. intelligent design is the fact that this physical universe is an equation
"Supposedly" there is a Star that "Creates" new elements and gives off heat. Yeah, evolutionists try to prove that! Ha! That is the mentality we deal with. The fairy tale or Bible is needed like a childrens book Bcuz they can't grasp simple shit.
@1Timby your numbers are exponentially off. You say Billions of years for Mts to form. If you drop that down a notch to millions of years, things come more into focus. That's the problem, creationist/ID frequently misuse, misinterpret and misquote science so it's terribly difficult to argue when very basic and simple concepts are not understood by creationists. I hope Santa did in fact bring you a science book.
@S0Iari and there is no reason for you to act like a smug smart arse without a shred if evidence to support your arrogance, remember its your smart arse question that caused this conversation - another example of friction spurred on by mis informed religion, now, happy xmas lets hope santa brings you a couple of science books, sounds like you need to read them
@S0Iari creation through evolution, hence intelligent design - lol, no, what an idiot. evolution - hence intellignet design, ha ha ha hence your arse, there is no hence, there is no acceptance that evolution is entwined with intelligent design or creationism
@TheAnder5134 proof were it comes from. and they just name it the big bang theory to exclude god from this. because mankind wants to be rules over everything and mankind doesnt like the "fact" that there is a higher being that will judge them. look really doesnt matter how much ur gonna that evolution is right and believen in god is for stupid people. what if we are right how would u people after life look then?? and im not telling this to make it seem that i am smart but to make u think.
I have a question for you. If we are to believe that the earth in all it's glory just came into being all by it self. Why after billions of years are there still mountains. Even a rock left out in the elements would have eroded away in much less time. So the mountain ranges would be worn down as well after a billion years. It's a puzzler to me.
@1timby ever heard of tectonic plate theory? You do know the Earths continents move around slowly over millions of years, right? Look it up on wikipedia but basically continents push against each other and buckle up forming mountain ranges. The Himalayas are one the youngest mountain ranges on the planet, formed because of this process.
@TheAnder5134 Yes I understand that. However, it still rains and these mountains over billions of years would still have been eroded So what your saying is that this plate movement (which is a theory by the way), would have eroded them down. Unless you're telling me that this is still happening. In that case where is all the material coming from to replace what had been eroded through out the eons?
@1timby It is always happening (it is the cause of earthquakes; when a lot of tension builds up between 2 plates, eventually the tension is released all at once, causing the plates to move a great distance all at once). Ordinarily, the movement is too small to feel (but NASA's GPS systems are sensitive enough to detect it, google "GPS Time Series).
Also, a "theory" in science means an idea that fits most of the evidence and has been very well-tested.
@Ant42Lee An idea that is fits. Hmmm interesting. So a theory is really a fact? I still think my idea holds merit that over billions of year the tectonic plates would have eroded to the point of being flat. And since my theory has merit and is a good idea then it's a fact. I like your logic.....
@1timby A theory isn't definitely a fact, it's just agreed to be true until proven otherwise. You forgot the other qualification for a theory: it has to be well-tested. Theories aren't facts just because the sound like they have merit- the "expanding Earth theory" sounds like it has merit, but tectonics offers a better explanation.
nd you're totally not understanding what I'm saying about plate tectonics - the plates CAUSE the mountains, they don't ERODE the mountains.
@Ant42Lee Theories are just theories. Until they're proven. As for the tectonic plates. I understand they supposedly caused the mountains. However, typical they didn't create the mountains over night. So that means over time. Which means my postulation that erosion, which also happens over time ,should have eroded them. How old are the mountain ranges? If they over billions of years then they should have been eroded to level.
@1timby On a basic level, erosion is massive amounts of water(or sand in a sand-storm) coming in contact with a comparably small surface area of rock. The reason the mountain ranges haven't eroded to 'level', is that nowhere near enough water could possibly have come into direct contact with them for enough time. But that is not to say erosion does not affect the mountains, paths of rivers show how, it simply does not affect it as much as you're thinking. Oh and buy a OED and look up 'Theory'
@reznor12 I agree, however, the evolutionist state that it takes billions of years for evolution to take place. I'm saying that in billions of years the erosion of the mountains ranges and area such as the grand canyon would be flat.
@1timby erosion I am not denying that erosion is taking place, but that it would not have the effect you are thinking. Yes, if there were no other factors but 'the mountain is there' and 'its raining', then you would be right. But your ignoring the fact that the, for example Himalayas, are still growing. The rate of growth far outweighs the rate of erosion. Oh and an interesting plate tectonics fact, the summit of Mount Everest is made of Marine Limestone.
@reznor12 Erosion would happen at a much higher rate in mountainous regions of the earth than on areas that are flat. So it would stand to reason that the rate of erosion being higher would cancel out the rate of growth by tectonic plate movement. My point being that if we can assume that evolution took billions of years then maybe the postulation is wrong as there are too may unanswered questions based on these gaps.
@1timby this does happen for example look at the alps which were once as high as the himalayas are today but as they stopped being formed they have eroded and shrunk
@titykaka1 Maybe you missed the point. If it only takes millions of years for a mountain to erode away then there are big holes in the evolution theory. We don't even want to think about the fact that when evolution occurs there have to be mutations that allow procreation.
@1timby well they only erode away when they have stopped being made as the continental drift causing them to be pushed up has slowed down so the rate of erosion is faster than the rate of new material being made :)
@omgwtfbbqxD well me and probably alot of other people can see how good it did the earth that human adapted the environment to our circumstances instead of we adapting to that.
@omgwtfbbqxD so if u want to become a perfect being like evolution brings according to evolutionist. then females only should breed with the strongest because then they would bring fourth children with the best genes. thats what evolution says how it went so why dont we do that anymore. and even if u mic the best genes with eachother then ull still have a chance u get a child with disabbilities from that mix. ull never get the perfect being by chance. u can get a perfect being when u use design.
See I am not religiously inclined, I am very much scientifically inclined. But when atheists say shit like that simply because the Christians are doing it too it makes a monster out of both sides of the argument. You don't just attack religion for the sake of attacking religion. You attack incorrect facts within the religion if they are incorrect. So please, withhold comments like "God can suck my scientifically inclined dick." and so on.
Evolution has already been completely shattered and utterly destroyed simply because it's not true. Science proves it can't be true. Read: Evolution: A Theory in Crises by Michael Denton Darwin on Trial by Phillip E. Johnson Darwin's Black Box Michael J. Behe Road to Reality by Roger Penrose These are secular authors and not religious books Evolution is done with. The next thng is to say that "aliens" actually designed us Steven Hawkins is evn heading dwn ths rd LOL Wake up.You've been deceived
@SuperDonster So what now? Creationists, realising how stupid they are, are now pulling other theories from out of their asses just to vilify and try and prove evolution wrong. Evolution has the largest scientific backing of all theories therefore is canonical with the human race's story. The reasoning that God made everything, the bible says so and the bible is truthful because God said so is so aggrevating. The same claim could be made by anyone. That got rather tangentile.
@acceptaname ok so we are not designed and made ok is a car designed and made? is a building designed and made why would those things not just evolve from themself? why would they need intelligence design and not us humand body is a million time complexer than computer
@MrValidin WOW ! Because cars and buildings have to be designed by humans they are not living biological organisms thats why! I'm amazed that you people can even dress yourselves in the morning !
@420gma well the biological organisms knew what they were doing a human bein is so perfectly put together that i had to be soo much luck if those organismes were so smart to do so why is mankind so dumb why cant we know make teleporters or stuff. human body is such a complex being and all off nature is btw. do u really really believe that all this was just pure luck. and btw did u ever see an explosion make order or only disorder? so why would the big bang be the only explosion that makes order?
@MrValidin First of all sir . You really do need to get a education especially in grammer . Why don't we have teleporters ? Because we haven't developed the technology yet but we will. Science is based on research the more research we do the more we learn.If you do decide to educate yourself and to think independently trust me you will open your mind to some truely wonderful facts about the world you live in !
@420gma haha yea ill learn more english u start learning dutch then. i know enough facts how this world will end that enough for me dont wanna hear lies from sciencetist. the only reason why they got so many theories for evolution to work is becasue they want to get god out of the world bcause mankind thinks he is everything and want to be judged by god.
@MrValidin wtf?? have you ever considered the possibillity that you might be brainwashed? You know Hitler brainwashed an entire nation to become racists, you should really start to think critically, you're on dangerous territory. Nothing you've said makes any sense.
To suggest that the scientific community is propagandizing or even being biased towards evolution, is INSANE.
Listen to Kenneth Miller, he's a christian biologist. -Save yourself while you still can ~ lolz :p
@MrValidin Define order. Because I'd definetely say that the universe is out of order. One singularity explodes and expands and trillions of random particles flying around... That's disorder in my mind.
@nejtilsvampe i mean with order. sun in the middle, all planets go around the sun, and the earth just distanced perfectly for live to live on. thats what i mean with order. if an explosion did occure that it should be like winning the lottery 1000 times in a row to get the earth so perfectly distanced from the sun for life to live on.
@MrValidin yes if you assert that it has to be this planet.. but there are countless of planets in the universe.. and no one said it HAS to be these exact enviroments. The enviroment on earth has changed drasticly through the years, but life adapts..
It's like if you deal a 5 card hand, what are the odds that you get the same 5 card hand the next round?? -next to zero, but no one would call that divine intervention if it happened.
The reason planets orbit the sun is g r a v i t y .. not god....
@nejtilsvampe aah ok so why do we only live on planet earth? and why didnt the rest of the planets adapted themself with an own environment and their own life forms? they could easely adapt themselfs to colder planets and to hotter planets then? and there is no gravity in the universe. ok the sun and all the plantes got their own gravity but if its the case that we circle around the sun because of gravity then all the planets and the sun would attract eachother closer and closer all the time.
@MrValidin You kidding? Ofcourse there's gravity, it's just weaker because of the distance. Educate your self about this relatively simple subject please. Look up angular momentum.
There has to be verry specific circumstances for abiogenesis to work, that's why we don't see life anywhere else atm. But another factor is also the simple fact that we don't have the technology to look far enough. We live on earth because that's the LABEL we've agreed to put on the planet we stand on. It's arbitrary!
@nejtilsvampe thats the explanation why there is only life on earth we need very special circumstances how do u know what circumstances a bacterie needs to evolve. it can adapt according to evolution so the circumstances the bacterie is in doesnt matter then.
@MrValidin They do matter ofcourse.. If you freeze a bacteria that has adapted to hot temperatures it dies.. But my point was, that the reason we don't see much life in the universe, is not because it has trouble evolving, but because it has trouble originating in the first place.. It either has to be developed through abiogenesis, or come from some other point in space.
@nejtilsvampe abiogenesis means that live came by non organic material right? so what i know there is enough non organic material in the universe. so material enough for abiogenesis to take place on any other planet.
@MrValidin you're right there's enough material.. But it's like this... What do you need for fire? You need oxygen and flamable material... But just because these two things coexists, doesn't mean it will spontaneously catch on fire. You have to add a spark of some kind.
Same goes for abio. You need non-organic material, and then you need some specific conditions. Read about the Urey-Miller experiment, they used sparks and other stuff to simulate lightning for example.
@nejtilsvampe what specific conditions are necessary for abiogenesis to take place then? and btw have they tested it to get life out of non organic material and how did they do that?
@MrValidin I have no idea, I don't think anyone does. All they have done is produce aminoacids out of non organic material, the buildingblocks of life. Read about it on wikipedia by searching for urey-miller experiment, I'm no expert.
@nejtilsvampe the urey-miller experiment wasnt a succesfull one. they didnt produce any amino acids the first time. they produced tar. other sciencetists tried to do the experiment themself with some modifications but they only produced 1 or 2 amino acids and ull need about 20 the create a protein. so those experiments are all flunks.
@MrValidin The sources I've found (these include sites made by creationists) they found more than 20 proteins (that number specificly, I don't know what's up with that number, but that's what they said specificly). However the creationists claimed that they weren't the aminoacids that were found in modern life.
BUT! The point of the urey miller experiment was NOT to show HOW abiogenisis happened, but that it was POSSIBLE. And it did just that.
@nejtilsvampe yea its possible when someone use intelligence to do it but that doesnt mean because they proof they can create some amino acids in a testtube that it happend that way in nature 2
@MrValidin I never claimed it happened that exact way. I'm just saying that the experiment proves that they can be made through natural means only. There's no need for a god here.
@nejtilsvampe the experiment just proves that there is intelligence needed for it to happen that way. it didnt come by itself urey and miller used their intelligence to made those amino acids
@MrValidin they did it because they tried to mimic the enviroment of the early earth.. You could ofcourse claim that, that was intelligently designed aswell, but you'd have to come up with evidence of that claim. Because there's no reason why that couldn't happen purely by naturalistic means.
@nejtilsvampe see thats the cas u believe that we all came here by nature but we dont see it happen in nature anymore besides variations and ill explain that 2 if u want and i believe we came here threw intelligence design. u cant prove we came here by accident. if they do experiments on how they think the environment was then and what u need to make amino acids and u can make those amino acids then it proves u need intelligence to make those amino acids. and not pure luck.
@MrValidin no it doesn't proves that at all. And NO ONE EVER CLAIMED WE CAME BY ACCIDENT, why do creationists always say that?! Natural selection is NOT random, period.
All the experiment shows is that aminoacids can form through naturalistic means. It doesn't say anything like it has to happen that way at all. It could've happened in an entirely different way, there's no way of knowing. But it is possible that it happened naturally, that's the ONLY conclusion you can make from that experiment.
@nejtilsvampe thats an assumption they make so its not science either. its a belief evolutionists believes it happen that way. if natural selection is not random then nature has to have a mind of its own to choose which specie evolves and wich species die. so if nature choose what will survive and what not then nature is ur higher being period. u just explained who ur creator is, ur god
@MrValidin nope, it doesn't need to have a "mind". It's deterministic, but blind. Things that aren't suited for their enviroment naturally dies, that's natural selection in a nutshell.. That's not random, that's deterministic.
@nejtilsvampe everything on earth is suited to live in this environment. why do u think the environment changed alot?? its because of man poluted everything that the environment changed and that animals die. it has nothing to do with natural selection. give me an example were u see natural selection happen ,in the present time
@MrValidin oh-my-gawd.... You're being delibretely ignorant now.
Do you deny that we can breed dogs to look pretty much the way we want? And cows and chickens to become fatter so there's more meat? This is evolution. Now, apply this same logic in nature. Things that aren't suited for the enviroment dies, and therefore don't carry over their traits. That means the more suited variations get their genes carried over. That is pure logic, and even creationists acknowledge this fact!
@MrValidin Now - did man cause the ice ages aswell? - ofcourse not, but that's not even relevant at this point.
An example of natural selection today: slow cheetahs don't get any food, so they starve. Fast cheetahs can catch food, so they starve less often. Therefore the fast cheetahs carry over the genes that made them fast. Therefore cheetahs are fast.
@nejtilsvampe ever seen a cheetah thats slow??? so its possible that my child will get orange eyes? maybe ill make new information then? no! everything was perfect in the beginning but after years the information we carry in our dna will start to break down. u say we improve generation after generation. eeum as far that i dan see we are going down generation after generation. more people with handicaps and i can go on with examples.
@MrValidin I never said we improved.. There is no evolutionary ladder. you're ignorant as hell about this subject, I doubt even your fellow creationists will vouch for your views.. Natural selection is an absolute observable fact, just like gravity. You can argue about macro evolution, but NOT natural selection.
I havn't actually seen ANY cheetahs, but you have to be extremely stupid if you think there are no slow cheetahs...
@nejtilsvampe i know what natural selection means. it means that we pass on better or worse information to our next generation. the ones with the better information would most likely survive better then the ones with the worse information. those with the bad information will eventually extinct. and i say that there is no natural selection. we got all the information we needed to variate to any environment. our dna is crumbling down so our children will get bad information from us and so on.
@MrValidin That's beyond absurd. What kind of second rate biology education did you recieve? If genetic inheritance behaved like that life would of failed hundreds of millions of years ago!
@MrValidin Because of negative mutations. Shit like that happens, rarely. It's like drawing the short straw, out of thousands of long straws.
Less and less children die these days to negative traits. We don't have to run from lions anymore, so kids with asthma can live long lives. People with rare diseases can get treatment and live healthy lives.
NO there are LESS people per capita with severe handicaps. What you're stating is a myth. Life was brutish and short for people before science.
@sbrafk yea and what medical science is doing is working against evolution then? because isnt it evolution that says the species that can survive will be extinct and the ones that evolve will survive? so by helping people in hospitals ur doing the exact opposite. people is working against evoluton then? put a kid with astma in the jungle it wont survive. believe me. lol ur kidding me right less handicaps? bad sight? bad hearing? lol ur soo wrong
@MrValidin Evolution doesn't make life better or stronger. It's ADAPTATION. There's no magical Evolution fairy guiding us to perfection.
Dysgenic pressure is a known phenomenon. What you're saying is the proliferation of negative traits in the gene pool will eventually result in our extinction. You're a fucking idiot. Humanity is far more equipped to deal with extinction level threats than say.. cheetahs. Humans adapt to threats, that's why we win.
@MrValidin Fuck you. Seriously fuck you. I don't say that often, but you're an asshole. You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Example, my grandfather was hospitalized a while ago because of heart problems. Simple bypass surgeory and he's good to go, for another who knows how many years. How the FUCK is it "working against" evolution to let an aging man enjoy many more years to come and see his grandchildren grow up? It's not like he's planning to reproduce at age 70.
@MrValidin Astma and allergies don't even have anything to do with evolution. Anyone can get them, even you, even when you're 50 years old you can develope astma or an allergy. Id allmost say I hope you do, but I wouldn't hope that for anyone not even for you. Next thing you'll say we men should all beat eachother to death to see who is strongest to earn the right to mate with girls who've just become fertile. We don't live in caves anymore.
@omgwtfbbqxD u know why there is astma and allergies? because people is losing crucial information. i know that even i can get those but thats just because i am not a perfect being anymore. i dont got all the information in me anymore like people used to. eeeum were do u get that from that man used to beat eachother to death to earn the right to mate with a female?? anyone ever observed that with the people that lived then? i dont think so. so its an assumtion that u'r making that they did that
@MrValidin Sorry if I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood me, because I generally agree with you that the evolution of mankind has come to a halt. But, humans were never perfect beings, and we are now actually at the pinnacle of our natural evolution. You're wrong if you think we should stop health care to become stronger. What I meant was, that if saying such a (horrible) thing, the next step is saying we should switch to selective breeding (females only mate with the strongest male).
@omgwtfbbqxD how do u know people were never perfect beings in the beginning?? were do u get that? i admit that i believe that the first people were perfect beings because the bible says so but whats ur explanation why u believe they werent? i think people are not at their pinnacle. mankinds body began to go down in the beginning that the world was made. thats what i believe. why do u believ we are at our pinnacle? selective breeding is what evolution says.
@MrValidin Logic tells me we were never perfect. For example, we eat through the same hole we breathe through. That means we can choke to death. That's hardly perfect. I said we were at the pinnacle of natural evolution, because we're as good as nature is going to make us as we are now. Humans don't really selectively breed, literaly everyone can find someone to have children with. Also there is no need to adapt our bodies to the enviroment. Instead, we adapt the inviroment, by building stuff.
@omgwtfbbqxD ur logis isnt fact. what ur doing is assuming. u believe we were never perfect but ull never know that. i didnt say we are perfect now. we are far from perfect. well whats perfect then according to u? because i dont mind having my food going the same way like my breath its just a matter of eating slowly and dont put stupid objects in ur mouth xp. eeum see another assumption. u dont know that; that we are at our pinnacle now. thats what u believe again its not a fact.
@MrValidin And why is it that I must come up with facts, while you just get to spew out your beliefs? I won't tell you to stop believing in what you want. But it's really hypocrite to tell me I don't have facts, while you are the one who just blindly assumes everything that's written in a book is the absolute truth. Humans having stopped evolving isn't an assumption, it's a theory. Scientists never make assumptions.
@omgwtfbbqxD im not the one thats telling that my theorie is a fact i admit that my believe is a believe. but everyone keeps telling that evolution has been proven as fact so i ask to those guys were are ur facts. im not hypocrite at all but i hate it that most of u dont think about evolution and see how wrong it is. and that everyone keeps telling its science when the only thing that is science is variation. the rest of evolution are assumptions. they use their imagination to fill gaps.
@MrValidin To quote Richard Dawkins: "Evolution is as much a fact as the heat of the sun. It is not a theory, and for pity's sake, let's stop confusing the philosophically naive by calling it so. Evolution is a fact." You are a victim of this confusion, probably because of idiots like Ray Comfort. There are next to no gaps, and scientists do NOT fill in gaps with imagination. Your inability to understand evolution and lack of effort to study it is not proof against it.
@MrValidin And if some facts would convince you, I suggest you look for some on the internet because there are plenty. Avoid those dumbass creationist websites though. The people who taught you what you think you know, have no idea what they are talking about. It's just a cycle, you got taught nonsense by them, and you will teatch the same nonsense to others, without validating it. Twisting words of scientists, making assumptions as "there is design so there must be a designer." is what they do.
@omgwtfbbqxD lol if u would look more on creationists sites then ud understand why evolution can never be right. the only thing sciencetist find is how everything works. human body, earth, universe. so thats the fact area. and then they go to the fantasy area were they assume everything came into existence according to how things work. well if my logic is right then that doesnt make any sense at all.
@MrValidin Your logic isn't right. Everything on those creationists websites, which I have indeed actually read, is utter bullshit. The people who wrote those websites have no idea what they are talking about, and since you yourself don't have any understanding of biology, geography, etc, you assume that the bullshit they write on there is true. I've said it atleast two times now, but you still don't get it, so I'll say it again: scientists do NOT use fantasies to explain things they don't know.
@omgwtfbbqxD ok so ur logic is we know how something works then that explains were it comes from aswell? so i know how a computer works does it explain where that comes from? no. they just talked so much scientific nonsense into ur brain that u start to believe it. but did u ever and i mean really thought about it clearly? i agree that sciencetist do beautifull things now these days but its not because they know much that they know everything. but thats what they want us to believe.
@MrValidin Let me just clear this up, I AM a scientist, all be it a forensic scientist. And no, that is not my logic, I've attempted to explain that allready. We can see the universe is expanding, at an increasingly rapid rate. So if you turn the clock back, there must have once been a singularity. The entire universe crushed into a single tiny spot. So we know that it somehow started expanding. We don't know how it got there, or why it started expanding. We don't claim to know these things.
@omgwtfbbqxD u can see the universe expanding. that is FACT. turn the clock back?? assumption/fantasy u dont know how it was in the beginning. see thats my point i agree with u that the universe expands but that u say if we turn clock back then there has to be a singularity. well u dont know that thas were ur fantasy kicks in.
@MrValidin there is an immense amount of evidence for the big bang theory. It doesn't just rely on the statement 'the universe is expanding, so it must have been small in the past'. Studies of cosmic background radiation, the types and distribution of elements and matter in the universe and so on all point to a 'big bang' event making the universe what it is today. The stuff i can't explain to you (because i dont understand it either) is the very complicated mathematics and physics involved.
@TheAnder5134 but because it is expanding now doesnt mean it was small in the past that it was small is an assumption. cosmic background radiation is something they can but they assume it is a left over from when the universe was young. well i dont know anything about the universe but radiation would have something to do about the fact how the universe works not on how it got here. and i really dont know much about this but i do know that sciencetist know how everything works but thats doenst ..
@MrValidin Just to help you along I went ahead and searched for you. Type in "Evolution gaps" in google, and check out the first website: misconceptions, gaps in the fossil record disprove volution. there are many more misconceptions made by people like you awnsered on that website if you just click the next arrow.
@omgwtfbbqxD i watched ur website. saw alot of text but no actual pictures of transitional fossils. i saw drawings how sciencetists think they look like. and u know why ull never get proof out of fossils? first of all u can know if that fossil got any children at all during its life nor did the whole kind of him. second what they see are 2 fossils the one looks like the otehr but is slightly diffrent. what do they conclude hey this one evolved from this one. eeuh i can say no those 2 are...
@acceptaname let's put the Bible to the side for a min. Show me any evidence you have of one species turning into another. Show me the stages in between. I'll be waiting
@SuperDonster sure, h ttp://blogfishx.blogspot.com/2008/05/rapid-evolution-in-fish.html remove the space for the link to work.
This little fish has already evolved in a human lifetime into defend itself from predators into two different groups that do not breed true...thats a species.
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@Jmonkey515 we are accountable to our fellow humans, not an imaginary friend in the sky. Atheists usually take responsibility for our actions while the Abrahamic religions think they can talk to their imaginary friend and be forgiven.
@xJoeEDangerouslyx oh my god. You need to get into politics my friend. Oh wait...that will never happen because politicians need to do what rich people tell them to do, no questions asked...
@Jmonkey515 The problem is that PCS is spreading misinformation. When creationists and other ignorant people doubt their beliefs, when they're done agonizing over their fear of their own thoughts they use PCS and other apologists to reinforce their own ignorance and foster the anti-intellectual environment we're in. Why is it termed "believing in" evolutionary theory. Why do most kids consider this very basic scientific principle to be unproven? Because of PCS and his ilk. This is wrong and we
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Er, this guy is is obviously a troll. Now, I know there is the "what about the lurkers" argument but there comes a point where the best policy is just silence.
As a very intelligent scientist haven't you got better things to do than to argue w/a 26 yr old who has 'no idea what he is talking about'?
I've seen you and your fans claim that venom is nothing more than a stupid child but yet you spend ssssoooo much time trying to deface him. It is shameful.
@Jmonkey515 as honest intelligent modern educated humans need to fight against it. Why is the Islamic world in the dark ages in most respects? In the ancient world and even into the middle ages, the Muslim world was comparatively extremely advanced for its time. Then, religious fundamentalists took over, and education became a threat to the power structure they established. This CANNOT be allowed to happen again. It is WRONG! It is morally wrong. We cannot let them succeed. We just can't.
@xJoeEDangerouslyx What has Biblical Christianity done to harm humanity, give me an example (people mis-using the scriptures does not count as Biblical Christianity harming humanity). What has Islam done to harm the world? What has atheism done to harm humanity? If you are fighting Christianity on a moral basis you should first look at atheism, islam two of the most destructive belief systems out there before you take moral shots at Christianity.
@Jmonkey515 nearly every story in the bible is about someone being killed because they are different or hold different beliefs than christians. The muslims are just as bad, all religions are hateful, dangerous, racist, and sexist. The question you should be answering is was has religion done, other than harm people?
The whole bible is full of horrible stories of death! Most of these stories have never happened but it shows how malicious the bible is. It also says in the bible that you can kill your son for talking out of line. You may also sell you daughter into slavery (the sexual kind) to pay off your dept. Oh and you can kill you neighbor if he gathers fire wood on Sundays. The bible is an evil book full of ridiculous stories. If you believe these stories you are either indoctrinated, or stupid!
Thankyou Thunderfoot,after giving up alcohol,I had an association with AA and bornagain christians trying to convert me to an even darker side and eventually I saw the light and adopted Rational Emotional Behaviour Therapy.....sober ever since.
Fuck the hippy dude's mortal earthbound reps,they shame humanity.
This whole video is idiotic. Intelligent Design never claimed NOT to be about God. Intelligent Design says that the Universe was designed by an intelligent designer... namely, God. Duh!
@stallion4life Sort of, and sort of not. ID was always intended to be about God, but its proponents have generally tried to frame its argument as if it could be taught in public school as a non-religious theory. I'm pretty sure every ID'er out there believes the "intelligent designer" is God--but if they just call it an intelligent designer and not say God, maybe it could have been, say, aliens! Then they can teach creationism without teaching "religion," or so they think. That's pretty much it.
@stallion4life I'd agree that a belief in God with no traditions or scriptures (such as deism) isn't a religion. However, Intelligent Design is still an attempt to escape the charge of teaching not just religion, but any religiously-motivated concept, such as creationism. Just about all deists believe in evolution; it's fundamentalist Christians who are trying to teach ID, but framing it as a nonreligious theory by leaving "God" out of the actual descriptions of the designer in its textbooks.
i cant believe how blind people on ,i will pay for you all.In the 1950's they took creationism out the textbooks,ever since that happen and more and more kids were lied to the world has gone to the dumps,with death,immorallaty,rape,adultrey,lies,greed lust and so much more .I hope god has mercy on the people who dont believe.God bless
@Helge129 If you are refering to the Japanese nuclear disaster that is now spewing radiation all over the world via the jetstream and the global currents, then yeah, the world is getting better and better.
@Helge129 Wrong! My wife's entire extended family lives 120 km from a reactor in Japan. Independent scientist from Japan are reporting that radioactive iodine and cesium have been found 500 km from the reactor zone. You won't hear that news from TEPCO. Maybe you work for them. If you do, they need you back at the reactor right now. Japan makes Chernobyl look like Three mile Island.
@Helge129 Go and check out Japan nuclear update. It's a dot com. I hope you find information there that will help. If you need more sources, I can help. Holla back.
@TheKith88 Oh yeah because people didn't DIE when they believed in God. People weren't greedy or lusted or did any of that shit, but now since they stopped shoving religion down our throats and actually started teaching science in school, suddenly the world is a fucking hell hole!
Because you know science is a big fat LIE. Well then next time your kid has a cold, don't use medicine, the evil, EVIL spawn of science! Just pray to God and he'll get better lickety split, won't he?
Without guys like this one you guys would have nothing to do.Everyone in the world would now believe in monkey men and the truth is you arnt even making any good points.Man team evolution really needs a new captain,no wait you all need a new idea that's what im trying to say yeah you need a good theory.Hmmm lets see hear where did i put that,oh yeah a theory like creation.Where did the information in D.N.A. come from?miracle primordial soup?I love a good laugh,thanx for the gags.
You touched the point with a pin -- the breath and eat thing. Why would such a creation evolve to the top when something that was differently designed, per your argument, would be superior and, therefore, be more likely to survive than others.
religion doesn't disprove creationism of the universe, it is an unknown, there could be a creator, science doesn't disprove the soul, there is relative little knowledge about many areas of science, quantum physics, , yes the world has benefited a lot from science, it can also be argued that religion has helped the world and science has damaged it. Private spiritual beliefs has no place for science because there are some questions which will never be scientifically proven, e.g creationism
According to the Bible. God has killed over 6 Million people.
Lucifer Killed no one.
In fact. The only thing Lucifer did wrong was want equality in Heaven. And for this was punished for pushing the subject. And in retaliation messed up God plans by getting Even to eat the apple thus also giving humans the power of God making it harder for him to control us.
Nah with Job, Satan killed maybe in the hundreds to be generous. Job had a shit ton of servants. so to be generous to Satan let's say he killed 150 people. Just for the hell of it. God still way past him.
@Mathwards I didn't know Satan Killed Job's Wife. I was pretty sure that was God. When God was going to destroy that city. Said not to look back. And she did *Typical woman* Lol. So he turned her ass into salt. Fuck I wish I could do that shit.
@Netkiller3714 I agree with the point you're making, but for the sake of accuracy, the character Lucifer IS responsible for the deaths of Job's children
god is a myth the buybull is a fairytale.
billbo1154 1 week ago
intelligent design? i think math is the answer to that.
i think that is the point of intelligent design, it is a signature itself , i am not just talking from a chrstian point of view but from A-NUTHER. point of view. intelligent design is the fact that this physical universe is an equation
SolGuildOfAstronomy 2 weeks ago
4:25 *VenomfangX Joker impression* "...or at least 4 star batsh*t crazy"
I see what you did there.
burningxnecro 1 month ago
Thunderfoot you talk bull mate,just bull, from Jason.
Zwemer100 1 month ago
"Supposedly" there is a Star that "Creates" new elements and gives off heat. Yeah, evolutionists try to prove that! Ha! That is the mentality we deal with. The fairy tale or Bible is needed like a childrens book Bcuz they can't grasp simple shit.
paramattic70 1 month ago
@1Timby your numbers are exponentially off. You say Billions of years for Mts to form. If you drop that down a notch to millions of years, things come more into focus. That's the problem, creationist/ID frequently misuse, misinterpret and misquote science so it's terribly difficult to argue when very basic and simple concepts are not understood by creationists. I hope Santa did in fact bring you a science book.
paramattic70 1 month ago
@S0Iari see your first question, and the loop closes
thanks and merry christmas or as i prefer, merry winter solstice
utrapzab 2 months ago
@S0Iari and there is no reason for you to act like a smug smart arse without a shred if evidence to support your arrogance, remember its your smart arse question that caused this conversation - another example of friction spurred on by mis informed religion, now, happy xmas lets hope santa brings you a couple of science books, sounds like you need to read them
utrapzab 2 months ago
@S0Iari creation through evolution, hence intelligent design - lol, no, what an idiot. evolution - hence intellignet design, ha ha ha hence your arse, there is no hence, there is no acceptance that evolution is entwined with intelligent design or creationism
god didnt cause the big bang
utrapzab 2 months ago
@S0Iari in what part of the video heading does it claim to prove or disprove that? :-}
utrapzab 2 months ago
@TheAnder5134 proof were it comes from. and they just name it the big bang theory to exclude god from this. because mankind wants to be rules over everything and mankind doesnt like the "fact" that there is a higher being that will judge them. look really doesnt matter how much ur gonna that evolution is right and believen in god is for stupid people. what if we are right how would u people after life look then?? and im not telling this to make it seem that i am smart but to make u think.
MrValidin 3 months ago
I have a question for you. If we are to believe that the earth in all it's glory just came into being all by it self. Why after billions of years are there still mountains. Even a rock left out in the elements would have eroded away in much less time. So the mountain ranges would be worn down as well after a billion years. It's a puzzler to me.
1timby 3 months ago
@1timby ever heard of tectonic plate theory? You do know the Earths continents move around slowly over millions of years, right? Look it up on wikipedia but basically continents push against each other and buckle up forming mountain ranges. The Himalayas are one the youngest mountain ranges on the planet, formed because of this process.
TheAnder5134 3 months ago
@TheAnder5134 Yes I understand that. However, it still rains and these mountains over billions of years would still have been eroded So what your saying is that this plate movement (which is a theory by the way), would have eroded them down. Unless you're telling me that this is still happening. In that case where is all the material coming from to replace what had been eroded through out the eons?
1timby 3 months ago
@1timby It is always happening (it is the cause of earthquakes; when a lot of tension builds up between 2 plates, eventually the tension is released all at once, causing the plates to move a great distance all at once). Ordinarily, the movement is too small to feel (but NASA's GPS systems are sensitive enough to detect it, google "GPS Time Series).
Also, a "theory" in science means an idea that fits most of the evidence and has been very well-tested.
Ant42Lee 3 months ago
@Ant42Lee An idea that is fits. Hmmm interesting. So a theory is really a fact? I still think my idea holds merit that over billions of year the tectonic plates would have eroded to the point of being flat. And since my theory has merit and is a good idea then it's a fact. I like your logic.....
1timby 3 months ago
@1timby A theory isn't definitely a fact, it's just agreed to be true until proven otherwise. You forgot the other qualification for a theory: it has to be well-tested. Theories aren't facts just because the sound like they have merit- the "expanding Earth theory" sounds like it has merit, but tectonics offers a better explanation.
nd you're totally not understanding what I'm saying about plate tectonics - the plates CAUSE the mountains, they don't ERODE the mountains.
Ant42Lee 3 months ago
@Ant42Lee Theories are just theories. Until they're proven. As for the tectonic plates. I understand they supposedly caused the mountains. However, typical they didn't create the mountains over night. So that means over time. Which means my postulation that erosion, which also happens over time ,should have eroded them. How old are the mountain ranges? If they over billions of years then they should have been eroded to level.
1timby 3 months ago
@1timby On a basic level, erosion is massive amounts of water(or sand in a sand-storm) coming in contact with a comparably small surface area of rock. The reason the mountain ranges haven't eroded to 'level', is that nowhere near enough water could possibly have come into direct contact with them for enough time. But that is not to say erosion does not affect the mountains, paths of rivers show how, it simply does not affect it as much as you're thinking. Oh and buy a OED and look up 'Theory'
reznor12 3 months ago
@reznor12 I agree, however, the evolutionist state that it takes billions of years for evolution to take place. I'm saying that in billions of years the erosion of the mountains ranges and area such as the grand canyon would be flat.
1timby 3 months ago
@1timby erosion I am not denying that erosion is taking place, but that it would not have the effect you are thinking. Yes, if there were no other factors but 'the mountain is there' and 'its raining', then you would be right. But your ignoring the fact that the, for example Himalayas, are still growing. The rate of growth far outweighs the rate of erosion. Oh and an interesting plate tectonics fact, the summit of Mount Everest is made of Marine Limestone.
reznor12 3 months ago
@reznor12 Erosion would happen at a much higher rate in mountainous regions of the earth than on areas that are flat. So it would stand to reason that the rate of erosion being higher would cancel out the rate of growth by tectonic plate movement. My point being that if we can assume that evolution took billions of years then maybe the postulation is wrong as there are too may unanswered questions based on these gaps.
1timby 3 months ago
@1timby this does happen for example look at the alps which were once as high as the himalayas are today but as they stopped being formed they have eroded and shrunk
titykaka1 1 month ago
@titykaka1 Maybe you missed the point. If it only takes millions of years for a mountain to erode away then there are big holes in the evolution theory. We don't even want to think about the fact that when evolution occurs there have to be mutations that allow procreation.
1timby 1 month ago
@1timby well they only erode away when they have stopped being made as the continental drift causing them to be pushed up has slowed down so the rate of erosion is faster than the rate of new material being made :)
and what does this have to do with evolution?
titykaka1 1 month ago
@omgwtfbbqxD well me and probably alot of other people can see how good it did the earth that human adapted the environment to our circumstances instead of we adapting to that.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD so if u want to become a perfect being like evolution brings according to evolutionist. then females only should breed with the strongest because then they would bring fourth children with the best genes. thats what evolution says how it went so why dont we do that anymore. and even if u mic the best genes with eachother then ull still have a chance u get a child with disabbilities from that mix. ull never get the perfect being by chance. u can get a perfect being when u use design.
MrValidin 4 months ago
VenomFang? What a perfect metaphor for these religious parasites poisoning the minds of millions.
Thankfully there is an antidote, which is what science excels at.
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@Gunner3210
See I am not religiously inclined, I am very much scientifically inclined. But when atheists say shit like that simply because the Christians are doing it too it makes a monster out of both sides of the argument. You don't just attack religion for the sake of attacking religion. You attack incorrect facts within the religion if they are incorrect. So please, withhold comments like "God can suck my scientifically inclined dick." and so on.
Damncoull95 5 months ago
The observable evidence of Creation will never go away.
watch?v=qZev7hb40uk
JungleJargon 5 months ago
God can suck my scientifically inclined dick.
Gunner3210 5 months ago 27
It's beyond me how anyone can view this nonsense and find any redeeming value in it. It's complete bullshit.
sailcat9 5 months ago
get a job
mknomad5 5 months ago
"The reason they call it intelligent design is that people who believe in it are intelligent." I couldn't disagree more.
MrShyguy0 6 months ago
SuperDonster 6 months ago
@SuperDonster So what now? Creationists, realising how stupid they are, are now pulling other theories from out of their asses just to vilify and try and prove evolution wrong. Evolution has the largest scientific backing of all theories therefore is canonical with the human race's story. The reasoning that God made everything, the bible says so and the bible is truthful because God said so is so aggrevating. The same claim could be made by anyone. That got rather tangentile.
acceptaname 5 months ago
@acceptaname ok so we are not designed and made ok is a car designed and made? is a building designed and made why would those things not just evolve from themself? why would they need intelligence design and not us humand body is a million time complexer than computer
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin WOW ! Because cars and buildings have to be designed by humans they are not living biological organisms thats why! I'm amazed that you people can even dress yourselves in the morning !
420gma 5 months ago
@420gma well the biological organisms knew what they were doing a human bein is so perfectly put together that i had to be soo much luck if those organismes were so smart to do so why is mankind so dumb why cant we know make teleporters or stuff. human body is such a complex being and all off nature is btw. do u really really believe that all this was just pure luck. and btw did u ever see an explosion make order or only disorder? so why would the big bang be the only explosion that makes order?
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin First of all sir . You really do need to get a education especially in grammer . Why don't we have teleporters ? Because we haven't developed the technology yet but we will. Science is based on research the more research we do the more we learn.If you do decide to educate yourself and to think independently trust me you will open your mind to some truely wonderful facts about the world you live in !
420gma 5 months ago
@420gma haha yea ill learn more english u start learning dutch then. i know enough facts how this world will end that enough for me dont wanna hear lies from sciencetist. the only reason why they got so many theories for evolution to work is becasue they want to get god out of the world bcause mankind thinks he is everything and want to be judged by god.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin wtf?? have you ever considered the possibillity that you might be brainwashed? You know Hitler brainwashed an entire nation to become racists, you should really start to think critically, you're on dangerous territory. Nothing you've said makes any sense.
To suggest that the scientific community is propagandizing or even being biased towards evolution, is INSANE.
Listen to Kenneth Miller, he's a christian biologist. -Save yourself while you still can ~ lolz :p
greetings from dk.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@MrValidin Define order. Because I'd definetely say that the universe is out of order. One singularity explodes and expands and trillions of random particles flying around... That's disorder in my mind.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe i mean with order. sun in the middle, all planets go around the sun, and the earth just distanced perfectly for live to live on. thats what i mean with order. if an explosion did occure that it should be like winning the lottery 1000 times in a row to get the earth so perfectly distanced from the sun for life to live on.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin yes if you assert that it has to be this planet.. but there are countless of planets in the universe.. and no one said it HAS to be these exact enviroments. The enviroment on earth has changed drasticly through the years, but life adapts..
It's like if you deal a 5 card hand, what are the odds that you get the same 5 card hand the next round?? -next to zero, but no one would call that divine intervention if it happened.
The reason planets orbit the sun is g r a v i t y .. not god....
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe aah ok so why do we only live on planet earth? and why didnt the rest of the planets adapted themself with an own environment and their own life forms? they could easely adapt themselfs to colder planets and to hotter planets then? and there is no gravity in the universe. ok the sun and all the plantes got their own gravity but if its the case that we circle around the sun because of gravity then all the planets and the sun would attract eachother closer and closer all the time.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin You kidding? Ofcourse there's gravity, it's just weaker because of the distance. Educate your self about this relatively simple subject please. Look up angular momentum.
There has to be verry specific circumstances for abiogenesis to work, that's why we don't see life anywhere else atm. But another factor is also the simple fact that we don't have the technology to look far enough. We live on earth because that's the LABEL we've agreed to put on the planet we stand on. It's arbitrary!
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe thats the explanation why there is only life on earth we need very special circumstances how do u know what circumstances a bacterie needs to evolve. it can adapt according to evolution so the circumstances the bacterie is in doesnt matter then.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin They do matter ofcourse.. If you freeze a bacteria that has adapted to hot temperatures it dies.. But my point was, that the reason we don't see much life in the universe, is not because it has trouble evolving, but because it has trouble originating in the first place.. It either has to be developed through abiogenesis, or come from some other point in space.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe abiogenesis means that live came by non organic material right? so what i know there is enough non organic material in the universe. so material enough for abiogenesis to take place on any other planet.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin you're right there's enough material.. But it's like this... What do you need for fire? You need oxygen and flamable material... But just because these two things coexists, doesn't mean it will spontaneously catch on fire. You have to add a spark of some kind.
Same goes for abio. You need non-organic material, and then you need some specific conditions. Read about the Urey-Miller experiment, they used sparks and other stuff to simulate lightning for example.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe what specific conditions are necessary for abiogenesis to take place then? and btw have they tested it to get life out of non organic material and how did they do that?
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin I have no idea, I don't think anyone does. All they have done is produce aminoacids out of non organic material, the buildingblocks of life. Read about it on wikipedia by searching for urey-miller experiment, I'm no expert.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe the urey-miller experiment wasnt a succesfull one. they didnt produce any amino acids the first time. they produced tar. other sciencetists tried to do the experiment themself with some modifications but they only produced 1 or 2 amino acids and ull need about 20 the create a protein. so those experiments are all flunks.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin source?
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe just look up urey miller experiment theyll explain u there
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin The sources I've found (these include sites made by creationists) they found more than 20 proteins (that number specificly, I don't know what's up with that number, but that's what they said specificly). However the creationists claimed that they weren't the aminoacids that were found in modern life.
BUT! The point of the urey miller experiment was NOT to show HOW abiogenisis happened, but that it was POSSIBLE. And it did just that.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe yea its possible when someone use intelligence to do it but that doesnt mean because they proof they can create some amino acids in a testtube that it happend that way in nature 2
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin I never claimed it happened that exact way. I'm just saying that the experiment proves that they can be made through natural means only. There's no need for a god here.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe the experiment just proves that there is intelligence needed for it to happen that way. it didnt come by itself urey and miller used their intelligence to made those amino acids
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin they did it because they tried to mimic the enviroment of the early earth.. You could ofcourse claim that, that was intelligently designed aswell, but you'd have to come up with evidence of that claim. Because there's no reason why that couldn't happen purely by naturalistic means.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe see thats the cas u believe that we all came here by nature but we dont see it happen in nature anymore besides variations and ill explain that 2 if u want and i believe we came here threw intelligence design. u cant prove we came here by accident. if they do experiments on how they think the environment was then and what u need to make amino acids and u can make those amino acids then it proves u need intelligence to make those amino acids. and not pure luck.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin no it doesn't proves that at all. And NO ONE EVER CLAIMED WE CAME BY ACCIDENT, why do creationists always say that?! Natural selection is NOT random, period.
All the experiment shows is that aminoacids can form through naturalistic means. It doesn't say anything like it has to happen that way at all. It could've happened in an entirely different way, there's no way of knowing. But it is possible that it happened naturally, that's the ONLY conclusion you can make from that experiment.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe thats an assumption they make so its not science either. its a belief evolutionists believes it happen that way. if natural selection is not random then nature has to have a mind of its own to choose which specie evolves and wich species die. so if nature choose what will survive and what not then nature is ur higher being period. u just explained who ur creator is, ur god
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin nope, it doesn't need to have a "mind". It's deterministic, but blind. Things that aren't suited for their enviroment naturally dies, that's natural selection in a nutshell.. That's not random, that's deterministic.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe everything on earth is suited to live in this environment. why do u think the environment changed alot?? its because of man poluted everything that the environment changed and that animals die. it has nothing to do with natural selection. give me an example were u see natural selection happen ,in the present time
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin oh-my-gawd.... You're being delibretely ignorant now.
Do you deny that we can breed dogs to look pretty much the way we want? And cows and chickens to become fatter so there's more meat? This is evolution. Now, apply this same logic in nature. Things that aren't suited for the enviroment dies, and therefore don't carry over their traits. That means the more suited variations get their genes carried over. That is pure logic, and even creationists acknowledge this fact!
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@MrValidin Now - did man cause the ice ages aswell? - ofcourse not, but that's not even relevant at this point.
An example of natural selection today: slow cheetahs don't get any food, so they starve. Fast cheetahs can catch food, so they starve less often. Therefore the fast cheetahs carry over the genes that made them fast. Therefore cheetahs are fast.
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe ever seen a cheetah thats slow??? so its possible that my child will get orange eyes? maybe ill make new information then? no! everything was perfect in the beginning but after years the information we carry in our dna will start to break down. u say we improve generation after generation. eeum as far that i dan see we are going down generation after generation. more people with handicaps and i can go on with examples.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin I never said we improved.. There is no evolutionary ladder. you're ignorant as hell about this subject, I doubt even your fellow creationists will vouch for your views.. Natural selection is an absolute observable fact, just like gravity. You can argue about macro evolution, but NOT natural selection.
I havn't actually seen ANY cheetahs, but you have to be extremely stupid if you think there are no slow cheetahs...
nejtilsvampe 5 months ago
@nejtilsvampe i know what natural selection means. it means that we pass on better or worse information to our next generation. the ones with the better information would most likely survive better then the ones with the worse information. those with the bad information will eventually extinct. and i say that there is no natural selection. we got all the information we needed to variate to any environment. our dna is crumbling down so our children will get bad information from us and so on.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin That's beyond absurd. What kind of second rate biology education did you recieve? If genetic inheritance behaved like that life would of failed hundreds of millions of years ago!
sbrafk 5 months ago
@sbrafk ok are there many or less children born with handicaps, bad sight, bad hearing, allergies
, ect?? or is that evolution that we get born with those disabillities?? i dont wanne know how we would look like in about a millions year from now.
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin Because of negative mutations. Shit like that happens, rarely. It's like drawing the short straw, out of thousands of long straws.
Less and less children die these days to negative traits. We don't have to run from lions anymore, so kids with asthma can live long lives. People with rare diseases can get treatment and live healthy lives.
NO there are LESS people per capita with severe handicaps. What you're stating is a myth. Life was brutish and short for people before science.
sbrafk 5 months ago
@sbrafk yea and what medical science is doing is working against evolution then? because isnt it evolution that says the species that can survive will be extinct and the ones that evolve will survive? so by helping people in hospitals ur doing the exact opposite. people is working against evoluton then? put a kid with astma in the jungle it wont survive. believe me. lol ur kidding me right less handicaps? bad sight? bad hearing? lol ur soo wrong
MrValidin 5 months ago
@MrValidin Evolution doesn't make life better or stronger. It's ADAPTATION. There's no magical Evolution fairy guiding us to perfection.
Dysgenic pressure is a known phenomenon. What you're saying is the proliferation of negative traits in the gene pool will eventually result in our extinction. You're a fucking idiot. Humanity is far more equipped to deal with extinction level threats than say.. cheetahs. Humans adapt to threats, that's why we win.
sbrafk 5 months ago 2
@MrValidin Fuck you. Seriously fuck you. I don't say that often, but you're an asshole. You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Example, my grandfather was hospitalized a while ago because of heart problems. Simple bypass surgeory and he's good to go, for another who knows how many years. How the FUCK is it "working against" evolution to let an aging man enjoy many more years to come and see his grandchildren grow up? It's not like he's planning to reproduce at age 70.
omgwtfbbqxD 4 months ago
@MrValidin Astma and allergies don't even have anything to do with evolution. Anyone can get them, even you, even when you're 50 years old you can develope astma or an allergy. Id allmost say I hope you do, but I wouldn't hope that for anyone not even for you. Next thing you'll say we men should all beat eachother to death to see who is strongest to earn the right to mate with girls who've just become fertile. We don't live in caves anymore.
omgwtfbbqxD 4 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD u know why there is astma and allergies? because people is losing crucial information. i know that even i can get those but thats just because i am not a perfect being anymore. i dont got all the information in me anymore like people used to. eeeum were do u get that from that man used to beat eachother to death to earn the right to mate with a female?? anyone ever observed that with the people that lived then? i dont think so. so its an assumtion that u'r making that they did that
MrValidin 4 months ago
@MrValidin Sorry if I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood me, because I generally agree with you that the evolution of mankind has come to a halt. But, humans were never perfect beings, and we are now actually at the pinnacle of our natural evolution. You're wrong if you think we should stop health care to become stronger. What I meant was, that if saying such a (horrible) thing, the next step is saying we should switch to selective breeding (females only mate with the strongest male).
omgwtfbbqxD 4 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD how do u know people were never perfect beings in the beginning?? were do u get that? i admit that i believe that the first people were perfect beings because the bible says so but whats ur explanation why u believe they werent? i think people are not at their pinnacle. mankinds body began to go down in the beginning that the world was made. thats what i believe. why do u believ we are at our pinnacle? selective breeding is what evolution says.
MrValidin 4 months ago
@MrValidin Logic tells me we were never perfect. For example, we eat through the same hole we breathe through. That means we can choke to death. That's hardly perfect. I said we were at the pinnacle of natural evolution, because we're as good as nature is going to make us as we are now. Humans don't really selectively breed, literaly everyone can find someone to have children with. Also there is no need to adapt our bodies to the enviroment. Instead, we adapt the inviroment, by building stuff.
omgwtfbbqxD 4 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD ur logis isnt fact. what ur doing is assuming. u believe we were never perfect but ull never know that. i didnt say we are perfect now. we are far from perfect. well whats perfect then according to u? because i dont mind having my food going the same way like my breath its just a matter of eating slowly and dont put stupid objects in ur mouth xp. eeum see another assumption. u dont know that; that we are at our pinnacle now. thats what u believe again its not a fact.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin And why is it that I must come up with facts, while you just get to spew out your beliefs? I won't tell you to stop believing in what you want. But it's really hypocrite to tell me I don't have facts, while you are the one who just blindly assumes everything that's written in a book is the absolute truth. Humans having stopped evolving isn't an assumption, it's a theory. Scientists never make assumptions.
omgwtfbbqxD 3 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD im not the one thats telling that my theorie is a fact i admit that my believe is a believe. but everyone keeps telling that evolution has been proven as fact so i ask to those guys were are ur facts. im not hypocrite at all but i hate it that most of u dont think about evolution and see how wrong it is. and that everyone keeps telling its science when the only thing that is science is variation. the rest of evolution are assumptions. they use their imagination to fill gaps.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin To quote Richard Dawkins: "Evolution is as much a fact as the heat of the sun. It is not a theory, and for pity's sake, let's stop confusing the philosophically naive by calling it so. Evolution is a fact." You are a victim of this confusion, probably because of idiots like Ray Comfort. There are next to no gaps, and scientists do NOT fill in gaps with imagination. Your inability to understand evolution and lack of effort to study it is not proof against it.
omgwtfbbqxD 3 months ago
@MrValidin And if some facts would convince you, I suggest you look for some on the internet because there are plenty. Avoid those dumbass creationist websites though. The people who taught you what you think you know, have no idea what they are talking about. It's just a cycle, you got taught nonsense by them, and you will teatch the same nonsense to others, without validating it. Twisting words of scientists, making assumptions as "there is design so there must be a designer." is what they do.
omgwtfbbqxD 3 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD lol if u would look more on creationists sites then ud understand why evolution can never be right. the only thing sciencetist find is how everything works. human body, earth, universe. so thats the fact area. and then they go to the fantasy area were they assume everything came into existence according to how things work. well if my logic is right then that doesnt make any sense at all.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin Your logic isn't right. Everything on those creationists websites, which I have indeed actually read, is utter bullshit. The people who wrote those websites have no idea what they are talking about, and since you yourself don't have any understanding of biology, geography, etc, you assume that the bullshit they write on there is true. I've said it atleast two times now, but you still don't get it, so I'll say it again: scientists do NOT use fantasies to explain things they don't know.
omgwtfbbqxD 3 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD ok so ur logic is we know how something works then that explains were it comes from aswell? so i know how a computer works does it explain where that comes from? no. they just talked so much scientific nonsense into ur brain that u start to believe it. but did u ever and i mean really thought about it clearly? i agree that sciencetist do beautifull things now these days but its not because they know much that they know everything. but thats what they want us to believe.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin Let me just clear this up, I AM a scientist, all be it a forensic scientist. And no, that is not my logic, I've attempted to explain that allready. We can see the universe is expanding, at an increasingly rapid rate. So if you turn the clock back, there must have once been a singularity. The entire universe crushed into a single tiny spot. So we know that it somehow started expanding. We don't know how it got there, or why it started expanding. We don't claim to know these things.
omgwtfbbqxD 3 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD u can see the universe expanding. that is FACT. turn the clock back?? assumption/fantasy u dont know how it was in the beginning. see thats my point i agree with u that the universe expands but that u say if we turn clock back then there has to be a singularity. well u dont know that thas were ur fantasy kicks in.
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin there is an immense amount of evidence for the big bang theory. It doesn't just rely on the statement 'the universe is expanding, so it must have been small in the past'. Studies of cosmic background radiation, the types and distribution of elements and matter in the universe and so on all point to a 'big bang' event making the universe what it is today. The stuff i can't explain to you (because i dont understand it either) is the very complicated mathematics and physics involved.
TheAnder5134 3 months ago
@TheAnder5134 but because it is expanding now doesnt mean it was small in the past that it was small is an assumption. cosmic background radiation is something they can but they assume it is a left over from when the universe was young. well i dont know anything about the universe but radiation would have something to do about the fact how the universe works not on how it got here. and i really dont know much about this but i do know that sciencetist know how everything works but thats doenst ..
MrValidin 3 months ago
@MrValidin Just to help you along I went ahead and searched for you. Type in "Evolution gaps" in google, and check out the first website: misconceptions, gaps in the fossil record disprove volution. there are many more misconceptions made by people like you awnsered on that website if you just click the next arrow.
omgwtfbbqxD 3 months ago
@omgwtfbbqxD i watched ur website. saw alot of text but no actual pictures of transitional fossils. i saw drawings how sciencetists think they look like. and u know why ull never get proof out of fossils? first of all u can know if that fossil got any children at all during its life nor did the whole kind of him. second what they see are 2 fossils the one looks like the otehr but is slightly diffrent. what do they conclude hey this one evolved from this one. eeuh i can say no those 2 are...
MrValidin 3 months ago
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Later experiments used things like UV radiation with similar effects.
XGralgrathor 5 months ago
@acceptaname let's put the Bible to the side for a min. Show me any evidence you have of one species turning into another. Show me the stages in between. I'll be waiting
SuperDonster 5 months ago
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@SuperDonster sure, h ttp://blogfishx.blogspot.com/2008/05/rapid-evolution-in-fish.html remove the space for the link to work.
This little fish has already evolved in a human lifetime into defend itself from predators into two different groups that do not breed true...thats a species.
Shofoxy 5 months ago
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
@Jmonkey515 we are accountable to our fellow humans, not an imaginary friend in the sky. Atheists usually take responsibility for our actions while the Abrahamic religions think they can talk to their imaginary friend and be forgiven.
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FallingInHate666 6 months ago
@GoldenCrusader93
A lot of stupid American teenagers actually. Go watch the video
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MoralRapist 6 months ago
@xJoeEDangerouslyx oh my god. You need to get into politics my friend. Oh wait...that will never happen because politicians need to do what rich people tell them to do, no questions asked...
You use logic. That makes you awesome. Add me!
MoralRapist 6 months ago
@Jmonkey515 The problem is that PCS is spreading misinformation. When creationists and other ignorant people doubt their beliefs, when they're done agonizing over their fear of their own thoughts they use PCS and other apologists to reinforce their own ignorance and foster the anti-intellectual environment we're in. Why is it termed "believing in" evolutionary theory. Why do most kids consider this very basic scientific principle to be unproven? Because of PCS and his ilk. This is wrong and we
xJoeEDangerouslyx 6 months ago
Smart President? You lost all credibilty in the first 10 seconds!
ybbob57 6 months ago
@Jmonkey515 Dealing with venomfangx is like swatting a fly. But then it comes back. So he puts on bugspray so it goes away. His videos about him are really like he comedy section of his channel.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
@Netkiller3714 actually he killed over 24 million :)
Skymnkey995 6 months ago
Er, this guy is is obviously a troll. Now, I know there is the "what about the lurkers" argument but there comes a point where the best policy is just silence.
chrisofnottingham 6 months ago
As a very intelligent scientist haven't you got better things to do than to argue w/a 26 yr old who has 'no idea what he is talking about'?
I've seen you and your fans claim that venom is nothing more than a stupid child but yet you spend ssssoooo much time trying to deface him. It is shameful.
Jmonkey515 6 months ago
@Jmonkey515 as honest intelligent modern educated humans need to fight against it. Why is the Islamic world in the dark ages in most respects? In the ancient world and even into the middle ages, the Muslim world was comparatively extremely advanced for its time. Then, religious fundamentalists took over, and education became a threat to the power structure they established. This CANNOT be allowed to happen again. It is WRONG! It is morally wrong. We cannot let them succeed. We just can't.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 6 months ago
@xJoeEDangerouslyx What has Biblical Christianity done to harm humanity, give me an example (people mis-using the scriptures does not count as Biblical Christianity harming humanity). What has Islam done to harm the world? What has atheism done to harm humanity? If you are fighting Christianity on a moral basis you should first look at atheism, islam two of the most destructive belief systems out there before you take moral shots at Christianity.
Jmonkey515 6 months ago
@Jmonkey515 Atheism is destructive?
HAHAHAHAAA!
Keep on living in your world of delusion.
UristMcgee 6 months ago
@UristMcgee Well think about it, as an atheist who are you accountable to?
Jmonkey515 6 months ago
@Jmonkey515 nearly every story in the bible is about someone being killed because they are different or hold different beliefs than christians. The muslims are just as bad, all religions are hateful, dangerous, racist, and sexist. The question you should be answering is was has religion done, other than harm people?
MisterCalebBailey 6 months ago
The whole bible is full of horrible stories of death! Most of these stories have never happened but it shows how malicious the bible is. It also says in the bible that you can kill your son for talking out of line. You may also sell you daughter into slavery (the sexual kind) to pay off your dept. Oh and you can kill you neighbor if he gathers fire wood on Sundays. The bible is an evil book full of ridiculous stories. If you believe these stories you are either indoctrinated, or stupid!
MisterCalebBailey 6 months ago
pwnt
MrLaz0rz 7 months ago
@IvorianSlam: It stands for Posterboy for Creationist Stupidity
hakareach 7 months ago
@TheGeekyTree Posterboy for christian stupidity
IvorianSlam 7 months ago 8
His name is venomfang? I see it on the side as VenomFagnX in other words a poisonous fag?
getblunted4life 7 months ago
Thankyou Thunderfoot,after giving up alcohol,I had an association with AA and bornagain christians trying to convert me to an even darker side and eventually I saw the light and adopted Rational Emotional Behaviour Therapy.....sober ever since.
Fuck the hippy dude's mortal earthbound reps,they shame humanity.
ghostwind067 7 months ago
i want the time i spent on this back.
TheHippylala 7 months ago
who the fuck believes in intelligent design anyway?????
GoldenCrusader93 8 months ago
This whole video is idiotic. Intelligent Design never claimed NOT to be about God. Intelligent Design says that the Universe was designed by an intelligent designer... namely, God. Duh!
stallion4life 8 months ago
@stallion4life Sort of, and sort of not. ID was always intended to be about God, but its proponents have generally tried to frame its argument as if it could be taught in public school as a non-religious theory. I'm pretty sure every ID'er out there believes the "intelligent designer" is God--but if they just call it an intelligent designer and not say God, maybe it could have been, say, aliens! Then they can teach creationism without teaching "religion," or so they think. That's pretty much it.
Megaritz 8 months ago
@Megaritz Mere belief in God isn't a religion.
stallion4life 8 months ago
@stallion4life I'd agree that a belief in God with no traditions or scriptures (such as deism) isn't a religion. However, Intelligent Design is still an attempt to escape the charge of teaching not just religion, but any religiously-motivated concept, such as creationism. Just about all deists believe in evolution; it's fundamentalist Christians who are trying to teach ID, but framing it as a nonreligious theory by leaving "God" out of the actual descriptions of the designer in its textbooks.
Megaritz 8 months ago
As stupid as that kid is, his Joker is spot on.
WaltonSauce 9 months ago
i cant believe how blind people on ,i will pay for you all.In the 1950's they took creationism out the textbooks,ever since that happen and more and more kids were lied to the world has gone to the dumps,with death,immorallaty,rape,adultrey,lies,greed lust and so much more .I hope god has mercy on the people who dont believe.God bless
TheKith88 9 months ago
@TheKith88 Do you have any evidence that connects the slow demise of religion with the demise of humanity?
Actually, do you have any evidence humanity is going down the drain? Because from what I can see, the world is getting better and better.
Helge129 8 months ago
@Helge129 If you are refering to the Japanese nuclear disaster that is now spewing radiation all over the world via the jetstream and the global currents, then yeah, the world is getting better and better.
Daddyo930 8 months ago
@Daddyo930 Uh, no radiation was spread across the world. It was localized to an area about 30-50km around Fukushima.
Chernobyl was the disaster that spread radiation all over the place.
Helge129 8 months ago
@Helge129 Wrong! My wife's entire extended family lives 120 km from a reactor in Japan. Independent scientist from Japan are reporting that radioactive iodine and cesium have been found 500 km from the reactor zone. You won't hear that news from TEPCO. Maybe you work for them. If you do, they need you back at the reactor right now. Japan makes Chernobyl look like Three mile Island.
Daddyo930 8 months ago
@Daddyo930 Sources. Give me sources, else your argument has about as much merit as hollow earth theory.
Helge129 8 months ago
@Helge129 Go and check out Japan nuclear update. It's a dot com. I hope you find information there that will help. If you need more sources, I can help. Holla back.
Daddyo930 8 months ago
@TheKith88 Oh yeah because people didn't DIE when they believed in God. People weren't greedy or lusted or did any of that shit, but now since they stopped shoving religion down our throats and actually started teaching science in school, suddenly the world is a fucking hell hole!
Because you know science is a big fat LIE. Well then next time your kid has a cold, don't use medicine, the evil, EVIL spawn of science! Just pray to God and he'll get better lickety split, won't he?
DeoMyDarling 8 months ago
i cant believe how blind people on ,i will pay for you all.
TheKith88 9 months ago
Without guys like this one you guys would have nothing to do.Everyone in the world would now believe in monkey men and the truth is you arnt even making any good points.Man team evolution really needs a new captain,no wait you all need a new idea that's what im trying to say yeah you need a good theory.Hmmm lets see hear where did i put that,oh yeah a theory like creation.Where did the information in D.N.A. come from?miracle primordial soup?I love a good laugh,thanx for the gags.
clawedification 9 months ago
YOU MUST GO TO ATHEIST EXPERIENCE!!!
lordsalsi 9 months ago
What does PCS stand for?
crusaders36 9 months ago
Lucifer only killed Job's wife and kids because God gave him permission to do so.
jermjude 9 months ago
You touched the point with a pin -- the breath and eat thing. Why would such a creation evolve to the top when something that was differently designed, per your argument, would be superior and, therefore, be more likely to survive than others.
jwquinlan 10 months ago
You're all knocking down straw men. Stop making fallacies and actually engage someone in a discussion.
tipsdaturtle 10 months ago
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religion doesn't disprove creationism of the universe, it is an unknown, there could be a creator, science doesn't disprove the soul, there is relative little knowledge about many areas of science, quantum physics, , yes the world has benefited a lot from science, it can also be argued that religion has helped the world and science has damaged it. Private spiritual beliefs has no place for science because there are some questions which will never be scientifically proven, e.g creationism
toberses11 11 months ago
My proudest moment on youtube was when PCS banned me from commenting on his videos
AnonymousComrade 11 months ago
According to the Bible. God has killed over 6 Million people.
Lucifer Killed no one.
In fact. The only thing Lucifer did wrong was want equality in Heaven. And for this was punished for pushing the subject. And in retaliation messed up God plans by getting Even to eat the apple thus also giving humans the power of God making it harder for him to control us.
There for God is a controlling asshole.
Netkiller3714 11 months ago 107
@Netkiller3714
Well Lucifer killed Job's children, but only because God allowed him to.
Mattm1986 11 months ago
@Mattm1986 God 6,000,000+
Satan ≈ 5?
Netkiller3714 11 months ago
@Netkiller3714
Actually it's more like,
God 20,000,000+
Satan ~10 (that god gave him permission for.)
MyNameIsBob212 11 months ago
@MyNameIsBob212 Lol. That's crazy eh. Out of all Entities. God has killed the most. What a world we live in aha.
Netkiller3714 11 months ago
@MyNameIsBob212
Nah with Job, Satan killed maybe in the hundreds to be generous. Job had a shit ton of servants. so to be generous to Satan let's say he killed 150 people. Just for the hell of it. God still way past him.
Metallica032693 11 months ago
@Netkiller3714
Well, he killed a few people. Job's family for instance. But yeah, God killed more lol
Mathwards 10 months ago
@Mathwards I didn't know Satan Killed Job's Wife. I was pretty sure that was God. When God was going to destroy that city. Said not to look back. And she did *Typical woman* Lol. So he turned her ass into salt. Fuck I wish I could do that shit.
Netkiller3714 10 months ago
@Netkiller3714 You're thinking of Lot's wife, not Job's.
Mathwards 10 months ago
@Netkiller3714 You're only knocking down a straw man, my friend.
tipsdaturtle 10 months ago
@Netkiller3714 Actually, Satan did kill Joab and his kids, but only after asking God if it was OK to do so. LOLOLOLOL
Aviii 10 months ago
@Netkiller3714 lol well put.......that is some funny shit
bigtruth34 10 months ago
@Netkiller3714 That's why worshipping the lightbearer is a much better idea than worshipping gawd.
ArsonistInUrFirewall 10 months ago
@Netkiller3714 I agree with the point you're making, but for the sake of accuracy, the character Lucifer IS responsible for the deaths of Job's children
Elpha22 9 months ago
@Netkiller3714 This is factually incorrect. God killed 36 million, and Satan killed 10,000 approximately.
TheMightyShell 8 months ago
@TheMightyShell What 10,000? I was thinking it was 10.. or 9.. Job's family they were.. after making a deal with God to test him
iliveon 8 months ago
@Netkiller3714 A pathetic and weak controlling asshole. Also stupid and full of weird ideas that don't work about how to get things done.