@nnjhansen Are you actually looking for the words 'separation of church and state'?
It's amendment number one: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'. Couldn't really be any more clear, the state will stay away from religion and religion away from the state. Unless you're looking for a physical wall that's pretty much as straight forward as it gets.
@nnjhansen If the state supports/endorses any particular religion in any form or fashion, is that not establishment of religion by the government? Could you imagine the shit storm that would fall out if " allah hu akbar" replaced "in god we trust" ? Why? b/c it would be GOVERNMENT ESTABLISHMENT of a not so popular religion. The only and best way for the gov to respect the 1A and it's people is to just stay the hell out of peoples personal business all together, it doesn't belong there anyhow.
@evilEKegg The establishment of religion is not simply the endorsement of religious ideas. What religion is established by "In God We Trust"?
The establishment of religion entails the imposition of an obligation on the people, the exclusive support of one church's activities by public funds, or the investiture of civil power in church officials or vice versa.
@nnjhansen I'll tell you what's wrong with "in god we trust", our gov officials wasting time to re-affirm it as our national motto while the economy shit's the bed. There is a broader social aspect to government establishment of religion than the all mighty greenback and or vote. it, the gov's job it to govern, not get involved with religious matters.
@evilEKegg I did not ask what you thought was wrong with our national motto, I asked what religion it established. Now are you going to answer that question or go off on another tangential rant?
At what percentage number does a person's beliefs become valid? If 11% are Atheist, and only 15% are either hard core Republican or Democrat, And since the 11% can so easily be ignored as invalid, then shouldn't both the Republican and Democratic parties be ignored as invalid as well? hmmmm.......but wait, we live in a democratic republic with freedom of speech where EVERYBODY gets a voice!
Atheists are nut jobs, apparently. Hm. Maybe I should go check myself into the psychiatric hospital, cause I'm just a crazy old nut job. Wait, who believes that a virgin gave birth, a man was brought back to life after three days, and that there's a big white bearded man in the sky we can communicate with telepathically?
I was actually with this guy at the beginning of the clip. Yeah, there's more to us than the supposed political parties we back (or don't back). We exist in a spectrum and the news tends to highlight only the extreme fringes.
But Beck lost me when he started saying "we" a whole lot. What do you mean "we", Glen? You're one of the guys that makes his career off of polarizing Americans! You're not speaking for the spectrum, you're speaking for your specific extreme demographic!
@madmaster333 I know right, because the majority is always right, let's bring back slavery, deny women rights, and burn witches, that's totally the smart way to go. Dumb ass.
Fake - A thing that is not genuine; a forgery or sham.
Atheists are not genuine, not real? They have been forged, fabricated by the very media that portrays them as evil? Logic is an imaginary scapegoat? You think that there are no people with the sense to question their belief in god? To think, why do I think god is real? Because my parents told me? How do I know they're telling the truth? The Bible told them? And god dictated the bible, so he must be real?
Glenn Beck wants his kids to grow up in the America that he did: The America that beat women, beat ethnic minorities, and was prepared to bring about Nuclear Holocaust.
@SmackontheWeb I dont think 99.9% of people ever believed the world was flat. Ancient Greek writings indicate otherwise, ancient egyptian writings indicate otherwise, early Christian writings from the 2nd century indicate otherwise .... I think since the beginning of recorded history that is a flat out false statement. If you said 80% or 90% its more realistic, but still not something that could me measured.
@SmackontheWeb "If it can't be measured, how do you know 99.9% isn't correct?"
Common sense and a knowledge of history. Pythagoras, Herodotus, Plato, Aristotle all wrote the Earth was round, common knowledge in ancient greece, all greek historians wrote the earth was round, the scientific obsession of the time was finding a way to measure the circumference. St. Clement of Alexandria, Isidore of Seville, Bede the Venerable, and all early christian writings say the earth is round ... etc ...
@lion575 You list a few select individuals who were persecuted for their view of a round earth. Who was persecuting them? The societies in which they lived. Why were they persecuted so? Because most of the people during those times thought the planet was flat.
@SmackontheWeb Here is a source that may give you some more insight
"The misconception that educated Europeans at the time of Columbus believed in a flat Earth, and that his voyages refuted that belief, has been referred to as "The Myth of the Flat Earth". In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history"(The Myth of the Flat Earth - American Scientific Affiliation).
It is hilarious that he mentioned the constitution... freedom of speach is not meant to protect popular opinions they are protected by their own popularity same goes for the freedom of religion it isnt so christians can force prayer and god on everyone else it is so we can all stand equal and free.
Beck the Mormon thinks atheists are on the fringes? This is a man who believes Joseph Smith found golden plates buried in a hill in NY and then wrote down his findings with the help of an angel before the plates were transported on a winged horse to heaven....Wow and I just lack belief in a God. But I'm the weirdo? LOL. It's too bad that delusion is so popular in America.
as much as it pains me to say, this clown should be allowed to have his own show, because it is protected by the very constitution that he claims to love, but in reality, he hates. Even bigoted assholes like this should be able to speak. They just embarass themselves more.
@samuriguy909: The thing is, all modern countries allow shows like that. The difference is that if someone tried this in Western/Northern Europe, Canada or Australia the public would show such an enormously negative reaction to this dishonest, hate-mongering crap the show would be gone after one episode and the problem would solve itself. In other words, the US shows what the "the people" and the ones in power agree with and tolerate.
So he's "just a dad struggling to bring up" his "kids" with totalitarian bronze age folklore. And that is as unacceptable as Islamic Jihad. I'd call it immoral child abuse. I believe the 89% religious margin is a myth. It's a percentage confused with basic 'cultural' standards which are rarely focused on in any depth; the reality in intelligent Americans truly beholden to a genocidal maniac is much much smaller. And getting smaller every day.
@johnrcoben We live in a representative republic where public policy issues are generally resolved by a vote of the majority either in the legislature or for those elected to the legislature.
@johnrcoben What is vague about it? We elect Congressmen (and state representatives, city councilmen, etc... by majority vote) and they pass legislation generally by majority vote. That is not vague.
@nnjhansen the word "generally" isn't vague? "public policy issues" or "resolved" You aren't really making a point anyway. I can tell you're confused, so go look it up. Don't be like Mr. Beck here, educate yourself.
@johnrcoben No, the word 'generally' isn't vague, it is used because there are exceptions. Some states use ballot initiatives to pass statutes or constitutional amendments, some legislation requires super majorities to pass, federal constitutional amendments require super majorities in each house and then ratification by 3/4 of state legislatures, etc...
The point is that we live in a republic but it is one based on democratic principles in which the people are sovereign.
@johnrcoben No, it isn't. And the term republic has been corrupted in the past century or so. Given your lack of knowledge to date, I wanted to make that clear.
@nnjhansen What lack of knowledge? All you have done is randomly spew vague, irrelevant facts about the American government. You clearly don't understand my first comment.
@johnrcoben Again, your first comment was random, vague, and irrelevant. If it was meant to have some deep meaning, it is up to you to explain it. Otherwise it stands on its own as random, vague, and irrelevant.
@nnjhansen Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is random. I'm not going to explain it to you. It doesn't need to stand on its own, it is in response to a video. Go educate yourself.
@johnrcoben It is random, vague, and irrelevant even in response to the video. That you refuse to attempt to explain it, is evidence that you are incapable of doing so.
@johnrcoben Repeating the same thing is pointless. If you have a point to make, make it. You failed to do so with your original comment as it was random, vague, and irrelevant.
@lukeskywonka: It's real I'm afraid but Europeans always thing O'Reilly and Beck are comedians because this kind of stuff would only be possible as a comedy show in Europe. XD
It's very scary when someone claims power to his own group and says "we" not meaning everyone. And you just did it. When you say "we Americans", you actually mean "we Christians" and exclude atheists like me from the American Pie. I hope people like you Christians do not come to the idea that your will should shatter every one else's. The constitution is there to protect minorities from autocratic power like the one you claim.
He is a Master Salesman. He has pulled the heart stings of millions of Americans. He is a radio/tv guy. He makes money "entertaining" paying listeners. He is NOT ignorant. A rude awakening awaits all those that con people that are a little on the innocent side of life. Nice, honest people like a little drama but can NOT tell when the wool is being pulled over their eyes. In America, you cannot doze when the media is trying to slip one in on you. Pay attention. Google everything and then decide.
this type of commentary illustrates exactly why the rest of the world believes that the USA and the middle east are full of nut jobs.
Imagine a world where doubting the existence of something that causes the majority of wars and has absolutely no scientific proof makes you a "nut job". God bless America.
Beck is doing the typical media ploy and giving bogus information; 89% of Americans believe in God? Bullshit and a lie. Probably pulled that number out of his ass.
He is good. Check out this spin "89% of us believe in the god(2:02) ... 89% want the phrase under God stay in the pledge(2:05)". Even if the first 89% is true(not) , the second claim is not a logical conclusion of that. No spin zone my ass.
Wow! He actually had me following along with him.....until he started acting like Glenn again. Sigh..........It was a great day for America when his show disappeared from the airwaves. I almost heard our collective IQ's increase together when he got the boot. Well, it's a good start at least. Now Palin is just a joke (recognized by most now) and Michelle Bachmann.......well, most think she's a joke anyway, and GOP is in a tailspin of rhetoric, and open hatred of gays and nonchristians. Yay!
The Irony here is awesome Glen Beck talking about setting aside differences and ignoring the fringe. Though Glen atheists are more 20-25% of people and rapidly growing hardly a fringe group.
@TrueMetis Atheists make up nowhere close to 20% of the US population. The two largest surveys of the subject (ARIS and Pew) put the percentage of self-identified atheists in the US at 0.7-1.6% respectively.
@nnjhansen So what? Just because you don't identify as an atheist doesn't make you not an atheist. There are many reasons someone wouldn't identify as an atheist, the biggest reason many people aren't sure what atheism is, the stigma, or they still count themselves as their former religious identity even though they no longer believe in that god, or they adhere to an atheistic religion like Buddhism or Taoism. There are many things preventing atheists from identifying as atheists.
@TrueMetis The figures you cited have no basis in reality. Mine come from the largest surveys on the question. Instead of trying to rationalize or justify your mistake, just acknowledge it and move on.
@nnjhansen No because your poll is flawed, it says "In the 2001 ARIS survey, only one in five people who disagreed strongly or somewhat that "God exists" were prepared to call themselves either atheist or agnostic." Which means at the very least we can change the number you cited to 8%. The answer that they allow people to give in the 2008 poll are even worse.
@TrueMetis Now you are conflating atheist with agnostic. Do you have the slightest idea what you are talking about? You said that 20+% of the population was atheist. No poll supports that claim, the actual polls on the subject put the figure at 1/10 of that.
@nnjhansen Atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive neither is theist and agnostic that's why all polls that list agnostic as its own group are flawed.
Atheist: one who does not believe in a god or gods
Agnostic: one who does not think this question is known or knowable
Theist: one who believes in a god or gods
You can be an agnostic atheist, like me and most atheists, or you can be an agnostic theist.
@TrueMetis Oh, please the entire concept of agnostic atheism/theism is the height of intellectual cowardice. Atheism is the positive assertion that there is no deity. Don't weasel out of the definition by trying to add a modifier. Theists generally acknowledge that their belief in God is a matter of faith and that God's existence cannot be proved by the scientific method (physical vs metaphysical) that does not make them agnostic.
@nnjhansen Atheism is the lack of belief in deities. That is in no way a positive assertion. If someone was a gnostic atheist then that would be a positive assertion but as far as I can tell gnostic atheists don't exist, there are a few gnostic theists out there though. And yes your last bit would make them agnostic theists.
You call it intellectual cowardice, I call it actually knowing what the words mean.
@nnjhansen It also excludes all lesser deities and therefore fails as an adequate definition. This is one of the few questions that is an either/or you either believe or don't. If you are unsure of a gods existence you then do not believe.
atheism might be a fringe in America, but it is rapidly on the rise - especially in Europe. Ignore that if you want - frankly, its better for us if you ignore us. But don't be shocked when one day you wake up, and this country is 80% atheist not 80% christian. Maybe then you will wish you payed a little more attention to the "fringes." America isn't the entire world Glen, you'd be a fool to overlook the growing strength of atheism elsewhere - and frankly here too.
Glenn Beck, actually makes a decent before and after the god stuff. He's alright. He's an evil bastard at the best of times and what can only be considered a troll at the neutral of times, but I would say that he' not half as bad as Bill O' Reilly.
he musta never heard of the "tyranny of the majority" - 89% believe in god so they must be correct and the 11% must put up with it - not in this country
How can he say 'the constitution above everything else'??? It explicitly prevents things like 'under god' in the pledge or 'in god we trust' on money, and is being ignored!
@0TheGuru0 Nothing in the Constitution even implicitly, never mind explicitly, prohibits things like 'under God' in the Pledge or 'In God We Trust' on money. The Constitution does four things with regard to religion
Prohibits a religious test for federal office
Prohibits Congress from establishing a national religion
Prohibits Congress from interfering with (then existing) state established religions
Prohibits Congress from prohibiting the free exercise of religion
Biblical literalists are NOT the majority in America.
There's a very large percentage of Americans (guessing 40%) who never attend church, never pray, never tithe. But when they are surveyed, they will say "Sure, I believe there's some kind of higher power out there."
The surveys that suggest the majority of Americans believe in god are including that group..
@doksekko Actually, that's my point. A biblical literalist can't believe in evolution, and 39% isn't a majority. Big number, but not a majority. (I'm assuming your stat is accurate but numbers like this come from all kinds of sources with a vested interest.)
@pburto How does that prove your point? Anybody who believes in creationism can't believe in evolution. 40% straight up don't believe evolution, and that doesn't include the huge amount of creationists who have combined creationism and evolution into some nonsensical theory. Do you even watch the debates? Belief in god comes up often.
@doksekko My point was simply (and I'm quoting myself) "Biblical literalists are NOT the majority in America."
They're not. And if 39% of Americans don't believe in evolution (essentially the same group as are biblical literalists) that's not a majority. It's a simple fact.
Please hear the words that I said: BIBLICAL LITERALISTS... This is a subset of religious people, and also a subset of Christians.
So again: Biblical literalists are not the majority in America.
@doksekko "A) Anybody who believes in creationism is a biblical literalist."
No, you're incorrect on point A. Many people believe the world was created by a god, but do not believe that the earth is 6000 years old, do not believe that a snake ever talked, and believe the wold's creation in 6 days refers to "heavenly time". Many believe that a god directed evolution as a means of creation. Whereas, a literalist believes every word is accurate.
@pburto i think you're confused. he said anyone who believes in creationism is a biblical literalist. thats different from anyone who believes in the bible is a creationist.
@jinofthethunder No, I understood perfectly. For starters, there are creationists who follow other theologies and don't read the bible at all, but even if we limit the discussion to christianity, a biblical literalist is a person who believes every word of the bible is literally true.
@jinofthethunder No, a creationist is just that: creation+ist. One who believes the universe was created. (And this implies belief in a god because an entity who creates a universe is a god by definition.) It could be any god... and the method of creation can be anything.
@jinofthethunder 1) "May have". 2) So you're suggesting there are people who have the idea that the universe was created, and that there's a god, but it wasn't god who did it. Gotcha.
@pburto Now you're just arguing semantics for the sake of not having to admit you're wrong. In the context of this conversation we are discussing creationism as it pertains to Christianity.Which is the christian god created the universe as outlined in the bible. Trying to broaden the scope of the conversation is in itself a logical fallacy, and just all around stupid. Nobody is interested in splitting hair with you, especially if you're going to argue a vague point.
@pburto No. I'm not. Creationism is an idea from the bible. Like I said earlier, some creationists see how stupid it is, but instead of trying to come to terms with the fact they don't fully believe the insane religious doctrine they try to re-consolidate it by combining it with science to form some nonsensical theory like god guided evolution. It's like me saying Adam and Eve existed, but they really lived in an uptown apartment in New York, not the garden of Eden.Creationism=Literalism
@doksekko Creationism is an idea older than the bible. Christianity isn't the only religion featuring a creator. (Christianity is based on the Hebrew religion.) I have a feeling I'm typing to teenagers here.
@pburto You do know that Judaism teaches creationism as literally taken from the book of Genesis, right? The book of Genesis being from the Torah, or its other name the Old testament, or it's other other name the Bible. Like I said earlier, you're attempting to argue semantics, and failing miserably at it. I'm not a teenager, but the average teenager probably understands how to avoid logical fallacy a tad bit better than you..or at least bibilical history.
Although most people are "in the middle" as Beck claims I still gotta ask...
How is Glenn Back not homeless on the street? Isn't that where charlatans, liars and other self-absorbed people belong? Perhaps God doesn't have any powers of justice on earth at all. ...or maybe there is no God.
to be honest.....He's not really going on about that story.... at all, what he says is very true (avoiding his facts are wrong) and while he used a stupid example he is for once.... kinda right.....
I'm not going to lie, I was sort of with him until he started talking about the god stuff. I foolishly thought he might of had a rational thought of once.
@livifan45: Really? And his embarrassingly ignorant assumption that right-wing fascism and Naziism are the same as left-wing communism and socialism didn't shake your faith in him? His anti-government stance in a democracy (a government by, for and of the people) didn't shake your faith in him? The god stuff is about as sane as the man got...
@jigen08 No, I was talking about the fact that he was right that the majority of Americans wouldn't align themselves with the 2 parties, his thinking about how the media never covers the mundane, and only talks about everything on the outside of normal reality, as in it‘s very nature. And also a couple of small things. First, Nazism only has 1 i. And second, the first example is irrelevant, as at a certain point, they both turn into oppressive state regimes.
@jigen08 3, if you read my comment I joked about my dislike of him, my own words, "I foolishly thought he might of had a rational thought of once.", (I know it should read for not of), I think that should of made the point clear, not that I have 'Faith in him', as you said repeatedly. I can understand how someone might of misinterpreted my statement, to thinking that I was occasionally on side with Beck, but I can't see how it was misunderstood like you did.
@livifan45 I agree....I couldnt believe I was 'with' him....then he started the god issue, and I sighed relief....and he is incorrect about the 89%...it's actually less than that. I love how he talks about the Constitution, when clearly, god on our money is unconstitutional, and if I may be so bold...so is the Pledge of Allegiance.
@SandmanTMB Actually 89% is at the low end of polls on the question. Most polls put belief in God in the US in the low to mid 90's range.
Acknowledging God, whether on our currency or in the Pledge is my no means unconstitutional. To believe it is, you must believe that the Congress which wrote the 1st Amendment to the Constitution either did understand what it had done or willfully ignored the limits it placed on its own power. That Congress acknowledged God regularly.
@nnjhansen Sorry, Hansen, those stats are completely unreliable. My reasoning is that most atheists are fearful to admit it....for obvious reasons. I agree that after reviewing different sources, atheism 'appears' to be 5-11%. I believe it's more like 20%. The wording of the 1st Amendment precludes God, so, agreed, with prejudice. My reasoning is that not all religions refer to their deity as "God." The word God is favorable to Judeo Christianity. That goes against the Establishment Clause.
@SandmanTMB The stats are consistent over multiple surveys. The excuse that atheists are afraid to admit their atheism in an anonymous survey simply does not hold water. What is the basis for 'your belief'? Anecdotal evidence? I will take a modern scientific survey over anecdotes.
The wording of the 1st Amendment precludes nothing but the establishment of a national religion, interference with state religions, and prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Acknowledging God establishes nothing
@nnjhansen Hansen, I dont mean to be a gnat LOL....I'd like to strengthen my assertion that the number of non-believers is greater than the stats show. Been watchin the campaigns lately? In the last two days I've lost count how many times a Christian pundit or candidate has made the statement that Christians need to take back the country from secularists. Really? The 95% is worried about the other 5%? Leads me to think that % of secularists is > the stats they're trying to fool us with.
@SandmanTMB First I do not accept your assertion that such claims are made with regularity.
Second, if they were it would not suggest that the numbers were any larger than they are.
Not that the situations are in any way similar but from an historical perspective, the Jews made up a significantly smaller portion of the German population in 1933 than 5% but that did not prevent the Nazi's from scapegoating them for all of Germany's problems.
@nnjhansen That's fine...I hear it a lot lately, but then I am constantly watching this campaign.
Yea, like 1%....wow. Maybe you're right, according to your stats, America has 5 times the number of atheists compared to the % of Jews in Germany. So by logic, atheism is destroying America. I forget....how do we feel about the Holocaust, and the Nazi regime?
@nnjhansen I see. Which is more accurate? the 1-2% of self identified, or the 5-11% best guesstimate. For such a small fringe group, the difference between 900,000 and 10,000,000 is pretty great....according to both stats you provide. The disparity in these numbers questions their accuracy. I'm happy you think the Nazis are in the top 3. Curious as to why you used the Nazi comparison. Are you inferring that atheists are to Christians what the Jews were/are to Nazis?
@SandmanTMB I would say the self identified is the best measure of the number of atheists. The 5-11% includes agnostics and those who simply refuse to answer.
I used the comparison simply to show that a group does not have to make up a significant portion of a population to be scapegoated as you claimed atheists were being.
America will be another Europe. Most of young people are atheists, abortionists n bisexuals. So the future is dark, very dark
IsupportBP 2 days ago
What does any god have to do with the constitution? How did he make that connection? Wtf?!?
Jakster840 5 days ago
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everyone whos not a christian should fuck off and die athiests are scum
daveywhippet 6 days ago
Ugh glenn what's this "WE" stuff... YOU ARE THE NUTJOB!!!
dlandon2000 1 week ago
Washington is supposed to answer to america not specific parties
TheDano1947 2 weeks ago
11% don't believe in any gods. The other 89% might come around...eventually.
ChipArgyle 2 weeks ago
no god, no god,
mythreligion 2 weeks ago
Love the way he quotes the constitution - it's there to protect Americans from people like him
tokenbrit123 2 weeks ago
Old Principles of America:
-Constitution states a separation of Church and State
-Original Pledge of Allegiance (1872) had no reference to God
I also believe in the old principles of this country Glenn Beck, now tell me as an atheist I'm not alone.
Ap0Th3 2 weeks ago
@Ap0Th3 The Constitution states no such thing.
Try again?
nnjhansen 2 weeks ago
@nnjhansen Are you actually looking for the words 'separation of church and state'?
It's amendment number one: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'. Couldn't really be any more clear, the state will stay away from religion and religion away from the state. Unless you're looking for a physical wall that's pretty much as straight forward as it gets.
daSchoof 2 weeks ago
@daSchoof 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'.' does three things:
Prohibits Congress from establishing a national religion,
Prohibits Congress from interfering with (then existing) state establishments of religion and,
Prohibits Congress from prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
Nothing more, no requirement that the state stay away from religion and religion away from the state.
nnjhansen 2 weeks ago
@nnjhansen If the state supports/endorses any particular religion in any form or fashion, is that not establishment of religion by the government? Could you imagine the shit storm that would fall out if " allah hu akbar" replaced "in god we trust" ? Why? b/c it would be GOVERNMENT ESTABLISHMENT of a not so popular religion. The only and best way for the gov to respect the 1A and it's people is to just stay the hell out of peoples personal business all together, it doesn't belong there anyhow.
evilEKegg 2 days ago in playlist Liked videos
@evilEKegg The establishment of religion is not simply the endorsement of religious ideas. What religion is established by "In God We Trust"?
The establishment of religion entails the imposition of an obligation on the people, the exclusive support of one church's activities by public funds, or the investiture of civil power in church officials or vice versa.
nnjhansen 1 day ago
@nnjhansen I'll tell you what's wrong with "in god we trust", our gov officials wasting time to re-affirm it as our national motto while the economy shit's the bed. There is a broader social aspect to government establishment of religion than the all mighty greenback and or vote. it, the gov's job it to govern, not get involved with religious matters.
evilEKegg 1 day ago
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@evilEKegg I did not ask what you thought was wrong with our national motto, I asked what religion it established. Now are you going to answer that question or go off on another tangential rant?
nnjhansen 1 day ago
So, Glen Beck thinks we do not deserve freedoms because we are a minority... Well, i guess he probably feels black people should still be slaves...
dolerbom 3 weeks ago
At what percentage number does a person's beliefs become valid? If 11% are Atheist, and only 15% are either hard core Republican or Democrat, And since the 11% can so easily be ignored as invalid, then shouldn't both the Republican and Democratic parties be ignored as invalid as well? hmmmm.......but wait, we live in a democratic republic with freedom of speech where EVERYBODY gets a voice!
MrSirwolf2001 3 weeks ago
@MrSirwolf2001 Even Glen Beck.
MrSirwolf2001 3 weeks ago
I've never seen or heard someone dillude a valad premiss to that degree.
mzyzer19 3 weeks ago
Atheists are nut jobs, apparently. Hm. Maybe I should go check myself into the psychiatric hospital, cause I'm just a crazy old nut job. Wait, who believes that a virgin gave birth, a man was brought back to life after three days, and that there's a big white bearded man in the sky we can communicate with telepathically?
McTaggStar 3 weeks ago
Glenn Beck is the nut job on the fringe.
MitchStarRepublic 1 month ago 2
1:20
Said by a man that works for a network that pretends Ron Paul doesn't exist.
bla87 1 month ago
He's a mormon! Idiot.
currie1967 1 month ago
I was actually with this guy at the beginning of the clip. Yeah, there's more to us than the supposed political parties we back (or don't back). We exist in a spectrum and the news tends to highlight only the extreme fringes.
But Beck lost me when he started saying "we" a whole lot. What do you mean "we", Glen? You're one of the guys that makes his career off of polarizing Americans! You're not speaking for the spectrum, you're speaking for your specific extreme demographic!
FrankLightheart 1 month ago
he is not funny, he is fucking pathetic.
LilProveInn 1 month ago
What a stupid cock.
AlchemyIndxVol2 1 month ago
Wait, this guy doesn't have any actual kids right? He was speaking metaphorically right?
NickW58 1 month ago
"88% of Americans are white
So the media only covers black people!
Black people aren't you and me - We're White!
The government should make its laws based on what white people want!"
JWPFoggers 1 month ago
@JWPFoggers aren't whites in america around 65%?
Acidburn574 1 month ago
Hey Glen the majority of American's weren't slaves either, guess it was ridiculous that we made such a big fuss over slavery as well.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
I completely agree with him. Athiests are fake and dont deserve media.
madmaster333 1 month ago
@madmaster333 I know right, because the majority is always right, let's bring back slavery, deny women rights, and burn witches, that's totally the smart way to go. Dumb ass.
DarkBunnyLord 1 month ago
@madmaster333
"Atheists are fake"?
Fake - A thing that is not genuine; a forgery or sham.
Atheists are not genuine, not real? They have been forged, fabricated by the very media that portrays them as evil? Logic is an imaginary scapegoat? You think that there are no people with the sense to question their belief in god? To think, why do I think god is real? Because my parents told me? How do I know they're telling the truth? The Bible told them? And god dictated the bible, so he must be real?
JWPFoggers 1 month ago
Glenn Beck wants his kids to grow up in the America that he did: The America that beat women, beat ethnic minorities, and was prepared to bring about Nuclear Holocaust.
101Pilgrim 1 month ago
2:02 "89% of us believe in god"
99.9% of the people used to believe the world was flat.
2:56 "America... that holds common sense above poll numbers"
This from the guy that just spit out some poll numbers as some kind of proof of his assertions.
SmackontheWeb 1 month ago 19
@SmackontheWeb I dont think 99.9% of people ever believed the world was flat. Ancient Greek writings indicate otherwise, ancient egyptian writings indicate otherwise, early Christian writings from the 2nd century indicate otherwise .... I think since the beginning of recorded history that is a flat out false statement. If you said 80% or 90% its more realistic, but still not something that could me measured.
lion575 1 month ago
@lion575 If it can't be measured, how do you know 99.9% isn't correct? Please site your ancient greek/egyptian/whatever writings that prove me wrong.
SmackontheWeb 1 month ago
@SmackontheWeb "If it can't be measured, how do you know 99.9% isn't correct?"
Common sense and a knowledge of history. Pythagoras, Herodotus, Plato, Aristotle all wrote the Earth was round, common knowledge in ancient greece, all greek historians wrote the earth was round, the scientific obsession of the time was finding a way to measure the circumference. St. Clement of Alexandria, Isidore of Seville, Bede the Venerable, and all early christian writings say the earth is round ... etc ...
lion575 1 month ago
@lion575 You list a few select individuals who were persecuted for their view of a round earth. Who was persecuting them? The societies in which they lived. Why were they persecuted so? Because most of the people during those times thought the planet was flat.
SmackontheWeb 1 month ago
@SmackontheWeb Here is a source that may give you some more insight
"The misconception that educated Europeans at the time of Columbus believed in a flat Earth, and that his voyages refuted that belief, has been referred to as "The Myth of the Flat Earth". In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history"(The Myth of the Flat Earth - American Scientific Affiliation).
lion575 1 month ago
@lion575 OK, so at the time of Columbus 99.9% may be a bit high. But that does not speak to the entire timeline of human history now does it?
SmackontheWeb 1 month ago
wait is glen beck calling other ppl nutjobs?
andrewp730 1 month ago
How nobody was killed in Iraq? People are killed in Iraq everyday you flipping moron.
NorthCitySider 1 month ago
Glenn Beck bashes the media for always pointing out our differences, then insults everyone who doesn't believe in God in the next breath.
TheDalinkwent 1 month ago
@TheDalinkwent Beck is the idiot master of the idiot masses
lumpheadthump 1 month ago
It is hilarious that he mentioned the constitution... freedom of speach is not meant to protect popular opinions they are protected by their own popularity same goes for the freedom of religion it isnt so christians can force prayer and god on everyone else it is so we can all stand equal and free.
lonewolfM16 1 month ago
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Beck the Mormon thinks atheists are on the fringes? This is a man who believes Joseph Smith found golden plates buried in a hill in NY and then wrote down his findings with the help of an angel before the plates were transported on a winged horse to heaven....Wow and I just lack belief in a God. But I'm the weirdo? LOL. It's too bad that delusion is so popular in America.
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TheBlakearmstrong 1 month ago
if glenn beck were a potato, he would be a bad potato.
samuriguy909 1 month ago 16
as much as it pains me to say, this clown should be allowed to have his own show, because it is protected by the very constitution that he claims to love, but in reality, he hates. Even bigoted assholes like this should be able to speak. They just embarass themselves more.
samuriguy909 1 month ago
@samuriguy909: The thing is, all modern countries allow shows like that. The difference is that if someone tried this in Western/Northern Europe, Canada or Australia the public would show such an enormously negative reaction to this dishonest, hate-mongering crap the show would be gone after one episode and the problem would solve itself. In other words, the US shows what the "the people" and the ones in power agree with and tolerate.
MsHyde1 1 month ago
is he upset that black people go to the same store as him? I don't really have a gauge on how backwards this guy is
guitarsly111 1 month ago
Main stream media coverage ...Ma' the cat's stuck up the tree again ... Well he'll come down when he's hungry dadburnit!!!"
.... no thank you
nyomythus 1 month ago
So he's "just a dad struggling to bring up" his "kids" with totalitarian bronze age folklore. And that is as unacceptable as Islamic Jihad. I'd call it immoral child abuse. I believe the 89% religious margin is a myth. It's a percentage confused with basic 'cultural' standards which are rarely focused on in any depth; the reality in intelligent Americans truly beholden to a genocidal maniac is much much smaller. And getting smaller every day.
blackmore4 1 month ago
Someone needs to go back to school. We live in a Republic, Mr. Beck. Ever heard of it?
johnrcoben 1 month ago
@johnrcoben We live in a representative republic where public policy issues are generally resolved by a vote of the majority either in the legislature or for those elected to the legislature.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen Could you be any more vague? Congress passes laws...and?
johnrcoben 1 month ago
@johnrcoben What is vague about it? We elect Congressmen (and state representatives, city councilmen, etc... by majority vote) and they pass legislation generally by majority vote. That is not vague.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen the word "generally" isn't vague? "public policy issues" or "resolved" You aren't really making a point anyway. I can tell you're confused, so go look it up. Don't be like Mr. Beck here, educate yourself.
johnrcoben 1 month ago
@johnrcoben No, the word 'generally' isn't vague, it is used because there are exceptions. Some states use ballot initiatives to pass statutes or constitutional amendments, some legislation requires super majorities to pass, federal constitutional amendments require super majorities in each house and then ratification by 3/4 of state legislatures, etc...
The point is that we live in a republic but it is one based on democratic principles in which the people are sovereign.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen The word "generally" isn't vague? LMFAO A republic is based on democratic principles? No shit? How old are you?
johnrcoben 1 month ago
@johnrcoben No, it isn't. And the term republic has been corrupted in the past century or so. Given your lack of knowledge to date, I wanted to make that clear.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen What lack of knowledge? All you have done is randomly spew vague, irrelevant facts about the American government. You clearly don't understand my first comment.
johnrcoben 1 month ago
@johnrcoben Your first comment was random, vague, and irrelevant.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen You don't understand my first comment. What is so hard to understand about that? Go educate yourself.
johnrcoben 1 month ago
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@johnrcoben Again, your first comment was random, vague, and irrelevant. If it was meant to have some deep meaning, it is up to you to explain it. Otherwise it stands on its own as random, vague, and irrelevant.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is random. I'm not going to explain it to you. It doesn't need to stand on its own, it is in response to a video. Go educate yourself.
johnrcoben 1 month ago
@johnrcoben It is random, vague, and irrelevant even in response to the video. That you refuse to attempt to explain it, is evidence that you are incapable of doing so.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen You don't understand my first comment. Go educate yourself.
johnrcoben 1 month ago
@johnrcoben Repeating the same thing is pointless. If you have a point to make, make it. You failed to do so with your original comment as it was random, vague, and irrelevant.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
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@nnjhansen You don't understand my first comment. Go educate yourself.
johnrcoben 1 month ago
I feel like I'm in 1984 watching this.
footwinner1 1 month ago 2
In all seriousness, is this actually real or a deeply cutting satire?
lukeskywonka 1 month ago
@lukeskywonka: It's real I'm afraid but Europeans always thing O'Reilly and Beck are comedians because this kind of stuff would only be possible as a comedy show in Europe. XD
MsHyde1 1 month ago
this man speaks the truth
brief555 1 month ago
@brief555 your concept of truth is fucked up.
LilProveInn 1 month ago
what a dick head.
TheBrockster88 1 month ago
Since when did these guys become spokespersons for the people? lol
chinhhhhh 1 month ago
It's very scary when someone claims power to his own group and says "we" not meaning everyone. And you just did it. When you say "we Americans", you actually mean "we Christians" and exclude atheists like me from the American Pie. I hope people like you Christians do not come to the idea that your will should shatter every one else's. The constitution is there to protect minorities from autocratic power like the one you claim.
danielvortisto 1 month ago
He is a Master Salesman. He has pulled the heart stings of millions of Americans. He is a radio/tv guy. He makes money "entertaining" paying listeners. He is NOT ignorant. A rude awakening awaits all those that con people that are a little on the innocent side of life. Nice, honest people like a little drama but can NOT tell when the wool is being pulled over their eyes. In America, you cannot doze when the media is trying to slip one in on you. Pay attention. Google everything and then decide.
ThinkPureTruth 1 month ago
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this type of commentary illustrates exactly why the rest of the world believes that the USA and the middle east are full of nut jobs.
Imagine a world where doubting the existence of something that causes the majority of wars and has absolutely no scientific proof makes you a "nut job". God bless America.
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wellyes 1 month ago
Beck is doing the typical media ploy and giving bogus information; 89% of Americans believe in God? Bullshit and a lie. Probably pulled that number out of his ass.
TheYTViolation 1 month ago
He is good. Check out this spin "89% of us believe in the god(2:02) ... 89% want the phrase under God stay in the pledge(2:05)". Even if the first 89% is true(not) , the second claim is not a logical conclusion of that. No spin zone my ass.
cheburashka1326 1 month ago
@cheburashka1326 1. The former 89% is at the low end of most polls on the question.
2. The latter 89% is not a conclusion drawn from the first but based on separate polls on the question.
3. Beck's show was not 'the No Spin Zone,' that is O'Reilly.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@BlongBlarble Then you don't know what atheism is. For one it's not a word that needs to be capitalized.
TrueMetis 1 month ago
A rational American faces crummy political choices. The socialist Democrats or the God bothering Republicans. Nut jobs all.
wanker4761 1 month ago
Wow! He actually had me following along with him.....until he started acting like Glenn again. Sigh..........It was a great day for America when his show disappeared from the airwaves. I almost heard our collective IQ's increase together when he got the boot. Well, it's a good start at least. Now Palin is just a joke (recognized by most now) and Michelle Bachmann.......well, most think she's a joke anyway, and GOP is in a tailspin of rhetoric, and open hatred of gays and nonchristians. Yay!
InteGrayting2 2 months ago
Lol!
pinkfloyddwc 2 months ago
The Irony here is awesome Glen Beck talking about setting aside differences and ignoring the fringe. Though Glen atheists are more 20-25% of people and rapidly growing hardly a fringe group.
TrueMetis 2 months ago 2
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@TrueMetis Atheists make up nowhere close to 20% of the US population. The two largest surveys of the subject (ARIS and Pew) put the percentage of self-identified atheists in the US at 0.7-1.6% respectively.
nnjhansen 2 months ago
@nnjhansen So what? Just because you don't identify as an atheist doesn't make you not an atheist. There are many reasons someone wouldn't identify as an atheist, the biggest reason many people aren't sure what atheism is, the stigma, or they still count themselves as their former religious identity even though they no longer believe in that god, or they adhere to an atheistic religion like Buddhism or Taoism. There are many things preventing atheists from identifying as atheists.
TrueMetis 1 month ago
@TrueMetis The figures you cited have no basis in reality. Mine come from the largest surveys on the question. Instead of trying to rationalize or justify your mistake, just acknowledge it and move on.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen No because your poll is flawed, it says "In the 2001 ARIS survey, only one in five people who disagreed strongly or somewhat that "God exists" were prepared to call themselves either atheist or agnostic." Which means at the very least we can change the number you cited to 8%. The answer that they allow people to give in the 2008 poll are even worse.
TrueMetis 1 month ago
@TrueMetis Now you are conflating atheist with agnostic. Do you have the slightest idea what you are talking about? You said that 20+% of the population was atheist. No poll supports that claim, the actual polls on the subject put the figure at 1/10 of that.
Admit you were wrong and move on.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen Atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive neither is theist and agnostic that's why all polls that list agnostic as its own group are flawed.
Atheist: one who does not believe in a god or gods
Agnostic: one who does not think this question is known or knowable
Theist: one who believes in a god or gods
You can be an agnostic atheist, like me and most atheists, or you can be an agnostic theist.
TrueMetis 1 month ago
@TrueMetis Oh, please the entire concept of agnostic atheism/theism is the height of intellectual cowardice. Atheism is the positive assertion that there is no deity. Don't weasel out of the definition by trying to add a modifier. Theists generally acknowledge that their belief in God is a matter of faith and that God's existence cannot be proved by the scientific method (physical vs metaphysical) that does not make them agnostic.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen Atheism is the lack of belief in deities. That is in no way a positive assertion. If someone was a gnostic atheist then that would be a positive assertion but as far as I can tell gnostic atheists don't exist, there are a few gnostic theists out there though. And yes your last bit would make them agnostic theists.
You call it intellectual cowardice, I call it actually knowing what the words mean.
TrueMetis 1 month ago
@TrueMetis The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines ‘Atheism’ as the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.
You can believe a god or god exists, not believe it, or be unsure.
You are a coward for trying to have it more than one way.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen It also excludes all lesser deities and therefore fails as an adequate definition. This is one of the few questions that is an either/or you either believe or don't. If you are unsure of a gods existence you then do not believe.
TrueMetis 1 month ago
@nnjhansen I'd rather say, theism ist the denial of the non-existence of god
aintnopity 1 month ago
atheism might be a fringe in America, but it is rapidly on the rise - especially in Europe. Ignore that if you want - frankly, its better for us if you ignore us. But don't be shocked when one day you wake up, and this country is 80% atheist not 80% christian. Maybe then you will wish you payed a little more attention to the "fringes." America isn't the entire world Glen, you'd be a fool to overlook the growing strength of atheism elsewhere - and frankly here too.
red666111 2 months ago
Atheist wont be 'the fringes' for long.
WyattsFreakinChannel 2 months ago
Glenn Beck, actually makes a decent before and after the god stuff. He's alright. He's an evil bastard at the best of times and what can only be considered a troll at the neutral of times, but I would say that he' not half as bad as Bill O' Reilly.
TheAsymmetrical 2 months ago
glenn beck, congratulations! you're a fucking idiot.
rebelheart1968 2 months ago
no one told Glenn he is a fringe nutjob?
TimBangsies 2 months ago
he musta never heard of the "tyranny of the majority" - 89% believe in god so they must be correct and the 11% must put up with it - not in this country
phishfearme2 2 months ago
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@phishfearme2 Put up with what exactly?
nnjhansen 2 months ago
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." -Albert Einstein
rnalithe00 2 months ago
How can he say 'the constitution above everything else'??? It explicitly prevents things like 'under god' in the pledge or 'in god we trust' on money, and is being ignored!
0TheGuru0 2 months ago
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@0TheGuru0 Nothing in the Constitution even implicitly, never mind explicitly, prohibits things like 'under God' in the Pledge or 'In God We Trust' on money. The Constitution does four things with regard to religion
Prohibits a religious test for federal office
Prohibits Congress from establishing a national religion
Prohibits Congress from interfering with (then existing) state established religions
Prohibits Congress from prohibiting the free exercise of religion
Nothing more.
nnjhansen 2 months ago
@nnjhansen shall make no law respecting religion....
noobler9 1 month ago
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@noobler9 The 1st Amendment does not say that, it says 'no law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of religion.'
nnjhansen 1 month ago
Biblical literalists are NOT the majority in America.
There's a very large percentage of Americans (guessing 40%) who never attend church, never pray, never tithe. But when they are surveyed, they will say "Sure, I believe there's some kind of higher power out there."
The surveys that suggest the majority of Americans believe in god are including that group..
pburto 2 months ago
@pburto Really? 39% Americans don't believe in evolution.
doksekko 2 months ago
@doksekko Actually, that's my point. A biblical literalist can't believe in evolution, and 39% isn't a majority. Big number, but not a majority. (I'm assuming your stat is accurate but numbers like this come from all kinds of sources with a vested interest.)
pburto 2 months ago
@pburto How does that prove your point? Anybody who believes in creationism can't believe in evolution. 40% straight up don't believe evolution, and that doesn't include the huge amount of creationists who have combined creationism and evolution into some nonsensical theory. Do you even watch the debates? Belief in god comes up often.
doksekko 2 months ago
@doksekko My point was simply (and I'm quoting myself) "Biblical literalists are NOT the majority in America."
They're not. And if 39% of Americans don't believe in evolution (essentially the same group as are biblical literalists) that's not a majority. It's a simple fact.
Please hear the words that I said: BIBLICAL LITERALISTS... This is a subset of religious people, and also a subset of Christians.
So again: Biblical literalists are not the majority in America.
pburto 2 months ago
@pburto Maybe I wasn't clear enough with MY point. My point is your point is wrong. Let me reiterate the logic.
A) Anybody who believes in creationism is a biblical literalist
B)The majority of people in America believe in creationism
Therefore the majority of Americans are biblical literalists.
doksekko 2 months ago
@doksekko "A) Anybody who believes in creationism is a biblical literalist."
No, you're incorrect on point A. Many people believe the world was created by a god, but do not believe that the earth is 6000 years old, do not believe that a snake ever talked, and believe the wold's creation in 6 days refers to "heavenly time". Many believe that a god directed evolution as a means of creation. Whereas, a literalist believes every word is accurate.
pburto 2 months ago
@pburto i think you're confused. he said anyone who believes in creationism is a biblical literalist. thats different from anyone who believes in the bible is a creationist.
jinofthethunder 2 months ago
@jinofthethunder No, I understood perfectly. For starters, there are creationists who follow other theologies and don't read the bible at all, but even if we limit the discussion to christianity, a biblical literalist is a person who believes every word of the bible is literally true.
pburto 2 months ago
@pburto so a creationist would be a biblical literalist?
jinofthethunder 2 months ago
@jinofthethunder No, a creationist is just that: creation+ist. One who believes the universe was created. (And this implies belief in a god because an entity who creates a universe is a god by definition.) It could be any god... and the method of creation can be anything.
pburto 2 months ago
@pburto you're wrong. the definition of god isn't anything that may of created the universe.
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doksekko 2 months ago
@jinofthethunder 1) "May have". 2) So you're suggesting there are people who have the idea that the universe was created, and that there's a god, but it wasn't god who did it. Gotcha.
pburto 2 months ago
@pburto no, skip the middle point and you're bang on.
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doksekko 2 months ago
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@pburto Now you're just arguing semantics for the sake of not having to admit you're wrong. In the context of this conversation we are discussing creationism as it pertains to Christianity.Which is the christian god created the universe as outlined in the bible. Trying to broaden the scope of the conversation is in itself a logical fallacy, and just all around stupid. Nobody is interested in splitting hair with you, especially if you're going to argue a vague point.
doksekko 2 months ago
@pburto No. I'm not. Creationism is an idea from the bible. Like I said earlier, some creationists see how stupid it is, but instead of trying to come to terms with the fact they don't fully believe the insane religious doctrine they try to re-consolidate it by combining it with science to form some nonsensical theory like god guided evolution. It's like me saying Adam and Eve existed, but they really lived in an uptown apartment in New York, not the garden of Eden.Creationism=Literalism
doksekko 2 months ago
@doksekko Creationism is an idea older than the bible. Christianity isn't the only religion featuring a creator. (Christianity is based on the Hebrew religion.) I have a feeling I'm typing to teenagers here.
pburto 2 months ago
@pburto You do know that Judaism teaches creationism as literally taken from the book of Genesis, right? The book of Genesis being from the Torah, or its other name the Old testament, or it's other other name the Bible. Like I said earlier, you're attempting to argue semantics, and failing miserably at it. I'm not a teenager, but the average teenager probably understands how to avoid logical fallacy a tad bit better than you..or at least bibilical history.
doksekko 2 months ago
Watch, Glen Beck will be Mitt Romney's top white house adviser if elected president.
buckfushes 2 months ago
Although most people are "in the middle" as Beck claims I still gotta ask...
How is Glenn Back not homeless on the street? Isn't that where charlatans, liars and other self-absorbed people belong? Perhaps God doesn't have any powers of justice on earth at all. ...or maybe there is no God.
drfoxcourt 2 months ago
to be honest.....He's not really going on about that story.... at all, what he says is very true (avoiding his facts are wrong) and while he used a stupid example he is for once.... kinda right.....
TheDeadlyNote 2 months ago
this nigga retarded
Maskanders 2 months ago
i cant bear this fat fuck
timewilltell7 2 months ago
I like Beck, I Love our USA. Let's boycott China and bring back American jobs?
on2glamis 2 months ago
89% believe in God, wrong!
on2glamis 2 months ago
@on2glamis That figure is at the low end of the range. Most polls put it closer to around 92%.
nnjhansen 2 months ago
glenn beck is my favourite troll ever
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@noobler9 I still prefer Bill O'Reilly
RiquinhoNojento 2 months ago
I'm not going to lie, I was sort of with him until he started talking about the god stuff. I foolishly thought he might of had a rational thought of once.
livifan45 2 months ago 13
@livifan45 there is a rational point for hank williams an the racist teapartys
this is about hate speech
sillycandie007 2 months ago
@livifan45: Really? And his embarrassingly ignorant assumption that right-wing fascism and Naziism are the same as left-wing communism and socialism didn't shake your faith in him? His anti-government stance in a democracy (a government by, for and of the people) didn't shake your faith in him? The god stuff is about as sane as the man got...
jigen08 2 months ago
@jigen08 No, I was talking about the fact that he was right that the majority of Americans wouldn't align themselves with the 2 parties, his thinking about how the media never covers the mundane, and only talks about everything on the outside of normal reality, as in it‘s very nature. And also a couple of small things. First, Nazism only has 1 i. And second, the first example is irrelevant, as at a certain point, they both turn into oppressive state regimes.
livifan45 2 months ago
@jigen08 3, if you read my comment I joked about my dislike of him, my own words, "I foolishly thought he might of had a rational thought of once.", (I know it should read for not of), I think that should of made the point clear, not that I have 'Faith in him', as you said repeatedly. I can understand how someone might of misinterpreted my statement, to thinking that I was occasionally on side with Beck, but I can't see how it was misunderstood like you did.
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@jigen08 What specifically was right wing about fascism or Nazism? Both were forms of revolutionary socialism.
nnjhansen 2 months ago
@livifan45 I agree....I couldnt believe I was 'with' him....then he started the god issue, and I sighed relief....and he is incorrect about the 89%...it's actually less than that. I love how he talks about the Constitution, when clearly, god on our money is unconstitutional, and if I may be so bold...so is the Pledge of Allegiance.
SandmanTMB 1 month ago
@SandmanTMB Actually 89% is at the low end of polls on the question. Most polls put belief in God in the US in the low to mid 90's range.
Acknowledging God, whether on our currency or in the Pledge is my no means unconstitutional. To believe it is, you must believe that the Congress which wrote the 1st Amendment to the Constitution either did understand what it had done or willfully ignored the limits it placed on its own power. That Congress acknowledged God regularly.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen Sorry, Hansen, those stats are completely unreliable. My reasoning is that most atheists are fearful to admit it....for obvious reasons. I agree that after reviewing different sources, atheism 'appears' to be 5-11%. I believe it's more like 20%. The wording of the 1st Amendment precludes God, so, agreed, with prejudice. My reasoning is that not all religions refer to their deity as "God." The word God is favorable to Judeo Christianity. That goes against the Establishment Clause.
SandmanTMB 1 month ago
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@SandmanTMB The stats are consistent over multiple surveys. The excuse that atheists are afraid to admit their atheism in an anonymous survey simply does not hold water. What is the basis for 'your belief'? Anecdotal evidence? I will take a modern scientific survey over anecdotes.
The wording of the 1st Amendment precludes nothing but the establishment of a national religion, interference with state religions, and prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Acknowledging God establishes nothing
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen Hansen, I dont mean to be a gnat LOL....I'd like to strengthen my assertion that the number of non-believers is greater than the stats show. Been watchin the campaigns lately? In the last two days I've lost count how many times a Christian pundit or candidate has made the statement that Christians need to take back the country from secularists. Really? The 95% is worried about the other 5%? Leads me to think that % of secularists is > the stats they're trying to fool us with.
SandmanTMB 1 month ago
@SandmanTMB First I do not accept your assertion that such claims are made with regularity.
Second, if they were it would not suggest that the numbers were any larger than they are.
Not that the situations are in any way similar but from an historical perspective, the Jews made up a significantly smaller portion of the German population in 1933 than 5% but that did not prevent the Nazi's from scapegoating them for all of Germany's problems.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen That's fine...I hear it a lot lately, but then I am constantly watching this campaign.
Yea, like 1%....wow. Maybe you're right, according to your stats, America has 5 times the number of atheists compared to the % of Jews in Germany. So by logic, atheism is destroying America. I forget....how do we feel about the Holocaust, and the Nazi regime?
SandmanTMB 1 month ago
@SandmanTMB Actually I pay quite a bit of attention to the campaign.
The percentage of self identified atheists is around 1-2% in the US.
NAZI Germany was one of the 3 worst regimes in modern history.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@nnjhansen I see. Which is more accurate? the 1-2% of self identified, or the 5-11% best guesstimate. For such a small fringe group, the difference between 900,000 and 10,000,000 is pretty great....according to both stats you provide. The disparity in these numbers questions their accuracy. I'm happy you think the Nazis are in the top 3. Curious as to why you used the Nazi comparison. Are you inferring that atheists are to Christians what the Jews were/are to Nazis?
SandmanTMB 1 month ago
@SandmanTMB I would say the self identified is the best measure of the number of atheists. The 5-11% includes agnostics and those who simply refuse to answer.
I used the comparison simply to show that a group does not have to make up a significant portion of a population to be scapegoated as you claimed atheists were being.
nnjhansen 1 month ago
@lovecraftis1 haha!
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AudriannaCole 2 months ago
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@AudriannaCole Lincoln's lack of support for slavery's expansion had nothing to do with its ending as a legal institution.
By the time the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed, Gallup had support for strong civil rights legislation at greater than 60%.
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