@nextrider123 try to buy a better motor for less, You wont find one, this motor probably only cost 2-3,000 cause he probably did all the work himself. where as you like to let the guys at what ever shit auto place you take your car rip you off.
If you put that engine in a beach buggy you'd need wheelie bars. My buggy's got a 64 vw beetle 1.6 blue printed, port/polish head & uprated internals, its pushing 170hp - and its fast enough! Imagine 225hp!
Its not the flat vs inline/etc that makes the difference. Its the bore/stroke ratio and the head design that dictate an engine's torque characteristics.
Look at a bike engine. Very oversquare (larger bore than stroke) as it needs very litle torque and can make use of the top end power.
Then look at a vw tdi engine - still an inline 4 but very undersquare - hence the huge torque and lack of revs.
It all depends on what its going into and what its for as to which is best.
One thing that most people seem to be forgeting here is torque. A 250hp VW motor will usualy be making 250+ ft lbs of torque, where an inline 4 with 400hp doesnt have near 200ft lbs. Thats why I love the stroker VW motors. Flat motors make good torque anyways, and longer stroke means more torque. And torque is what gives you that neck snapping acceleration.
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I know that. My 05 Dodge 3500 with a Cummins schools most street toys around here. With over a 1000 ft. lbs. of torque, I either spin or break stuff. 8.2 1/8th with a 2.2 60' time. 3rd gear line lock launch @ 30-38 lbs of boost. If I launch over 40 psi it wheelhops so bad I break leaf springs.
well what it's rated at and what it would actually pull on a dyno are two different numbers my friend, if you've been rough on the engine, chances are it's not going ot be making that number anymore..plus it's not all about power, t's about power to weight ratio, accell, and so much more
[to 2redneck] not sure what 400hp inline 4 you are talking about but 9 out of 10 times there is more torque then HP(or very close) ...400hp motor not putting out over 200lbT sounds wrong and/or a bad motor build....
[rb26xs14]...you have a point...I don't wast my time with Honda's....but I know Volvo's, Nissan's, Porsche, Subaru among others all keep the Numbers close.....Honda must be that 1 out of 10 I was talking about.....
@2redneck You're correct, but my findings are 4 valve per cylinder engines make far less torque than horse power, us 2 valvers do alright in the torque department, eh? Those air cooled vw's can be serious weapons.
im not trying to pick a fight, but its not as simple as acceleration vs power, square motors are considered to be the best all rounders.
Perfect example of this is the 2JZ-GTE
my argument in the first place was 225hp from a 2.5L @ 18psi doesn't seem very efficient.
for instance my friend has a 3L that makes 437rwhp @ 20psi on pump gas, therefore the volumetric efficiency of this motor is FAR less than this motor.
An example of this is dropping an rb30 bottom end under the rb25 or 26 head. Power vs boost is exactly the same as the 2.5/2.6ltr but power is made earlier.
oh but how flow is a big factor when the air is compressed...
1. improvements to the top end will net the same power but with less air resistance hence boost.
2. A motor is simply an airpump. Open up the turbo side of things and it will make more power on less boost. restrict the hotside and it will require more boost to make the same power
A 225hp motor is hardly comparable to your 'friends' 3ltr making 437rwhp.
No friend statements here. Been there done that with my own RB30det.
18 psi on an air cooled engine that originally made around 50 horsepower is pretty impressive I think. Especially when you consider it's making over four times the power it was stock!
I agree with you that turns are more better, but drag is not as bad as you think.. It takes some skill to get the fastest reaction time. And in the end when both cars go down the track it comes down to who reacted fastest. Id rather road racing tooo
God Damn... Lay me some rubber bro! hahaha! geez you probably get tire chirps in all gears and 100 foot burn outs! what kind of tranny are you using to handle this beast? super diff?, welded gears? 901 five speed? Got any turbo kits for an overbuilt 1600cc that can fit under the hood?
not bad considering original specs or this motor is between 35 and 50 hp iv seen a vw flat four make 1300 hp called the paradise beast,acording to HRM its the fastest four cyl. on earth low 6s at well over 200mph in q/m even though it had an after market case you still cant argue with #s like that.
this combo made 331tq and 315hp @ 5,000rpms at 21 lbs boost but we did not want to pull it on that high boost!! turned it down to 14lbs, switched back to pump and made this pull on the video. but jumped to 18lbs on pump!!!
yes, but you will need a shitty bigger supercharger to cope with the power loss from the charger needing the engine to spin it up, whereas the turbo system only needs naturally produced exhaust emmissions!
no. that where YOUR wrong. noone cares bout a lag. the tc gets more power without using ANY power from the engine. and the supercharger takes power just to get power.. now thats gay. and its not efficent. but the upside to a sc is the sounds.
hey not really, we all can aree that the best motors made are from honda
1,8 VTI was 10 yares ahead in 98 and still its great engine
and have it some turbo od charger ?
nope, just claver valves
and why honda dont does stock turbos ? becouse when they were in F1 they lernet that turbos arent good for regular motoring so they go VTEC way, and its great way
but about VR6 its much, much better supercharget then turbocharged, trust m
You couldn't be more wrong , why do you think in all the american drag car's they all use a big super charger ?
Presides if you got a right setup for a turbo there shouldnt really be much lag , still i prefer a turbo and who cares if it saps 20-30 bhp , i'd be willing to comprimise that for a second off my 0-60mph time !
hell put a supercharger on it for low end power then slap a turbo on it for the power increase lol, ive actually always wanted to know if that would work......
Yup , i dont really think many people have done it for " tuning " , but it'd be a sweet ass Drag setup " even know i think drags for Queers who cant handle turning a steering wheel " :]
Who said 2000hp is homo , i was simply saying my opinion is that drag is for homo's , weather 2000hp is used in a drag race or not if it was 5000000000000bhp would make shit odd's to me.
You cant compare pussy shit drag to rally or 24h nordschleife ( the ring ) anyone can just gun it ..
LOL, struck a nerve did I? You brought out the big guns with the "retard" comment.
As to the video I enjoyed it, I build the engines as well so thats what brought me here. But your addle minded comments were begging to be ripped upon. "drag is for homo's" LOL, you tell your age, 12 maybe 13. Which means you can't even drive So why are you are you even here? Stick your head back in your ass before your ears get cold and all will be well in the world.
Your so Wrong , for your information im 21 and i drive a Bmw e30 325i witch is currently undergoing an overhaul + Supercharger, 7 series heavy duty cam's , light weight pistons , ect.. i was stating my opinion Drag is crap , what do you gain from going 0-topspeed-0 in a straight line ? , honestly no skill involved at all , If you think your somthing special bring your hottest car to this years bme fest a pod.. ill be number 333 ;) Seeya there ? , Doubtfull.
Oh your 21, that's truly sad. The fact that you do not realize the contributions by we inept drag racers to automotive performance gains belies your age.If you truly are doing road course with a supercharger you are a dolt. With all the free horsepower you get from a turbo and the sustained rpms of road course racing a super is, to use your word, "retarded". Btw the way little man, will I see you at the WERA Grand National Finals Oct. 9-12? doubtful. LOL!!! Bike is #7 Farewell twit.
well .. you can use anti-lag for turbo build .. but that hurt turbo and you will have to put down a lot of money on rebuilding your turbo every 3 races $_$
Wrong.A Vortech s-charger works with revolutions dummy. It needs revs to give hp, therefor it takes time to spool up. A whipple would better for what your talking about but still, Instant power has a lot more to do with matching engine component's than any other single thing. Get a clue and do it before giving advise. I've used both and i can teach you a thing or two about achieving hp stats on the blacktop.
Every supercharger works with revolutions of the engine. That's obvious. The guy was right. A supercharger would be better on a road course, because you don't have the sharp boost kick, when you're in a turn. The boost from a blower is much linear compared to the turbo.
A vortech s'charger is going to need revs for boost and the more revs the more boost. With a vortech, it is that simple. A whipple would give you more on tap when you need it, WITH a bypass valve & without the need to spool up, meaning without having to increase revs anywhere near as much as a vortech to make more power,but my point remains to be proven wrong.Cams,pulleys and piston size will do more for you than the turbo or the supercharger will.
Put simply, internals govern power at rpm's to a degree.S'charger or turbine, it doesn't matter at all, if your internals are stock they were there for production setup figures only. Change them first, get the power where you want it when you want it. Look at the R35 GTR. ZERO lag unlike the Porsche which is loaded with low down lag,therein lies the Problem for Porsche, getting it to hook up the way the GTR does, because of power rush.GTR doesnt have that problem from it's turbines does it ?
good internals will stop you from blowing holes in pistons if it detonates, and throwing rods... they do nothing for power.... the only way is to increase the volumetric efficiency... period, unless you've driven a R35 and a Porsche you really cant make that judgment. although a supercharger delivers linear power it also has a large overhead. VE governs power...
Quite simply i mean,piston geometry and matching the correct cams is AS much importance if not more than just what turbine or blower,I know my maths mate, im not a kid.Either way,here's the facts put simple though,if it's zero to high speed you want, then you NEED small diameter piston and long stroke length.Large [power at HIGH speeds needs a larger diameter piston and shorter stroke length. In both cases the motor volume may be identical.
Those are nice numbers but the CB crew built a streetable non-turbo 2332cc that put out 224hp@6500 with 10.96:1 comp ratio. Seems like you should be getting more than what you're getting especially at that boost level.
Well you got me on that one! I can't recall what they said their tq numbers were. Turbo is definitely the way to go if you can afford a quality build. I got a recipe from oldman Kawell on what I need to piece together my track car. I'm poor so an 8-11k motor is a lot of overtime...lol...Nice work on your end though.
You only build heat when under boost,so you drive on the motor at norm temps. you can drive @80mph from CA to NY with out building boost (heat) if you want!
I realize this. But aircooled engines are already at the outer limits of being able to handle the heat. And a turbo is like blowing on a fire.
I have seen the piston cracked complletely around the circumference at the ring site: damage that was certainly done from the excess heat and cooling. It was on a turbo corvair engine.
Absolutely. But you don't need to believe me as this is the opinion of Bob Hoover. I hold his opinions in high esteem.
And, from y personal experiance. I once had a Corvair Spider that was turbo charged. The piston cracked the entire circumferance at the ring joint. Since, I have found out this is not unusual for turboed Corvairs or for turboed VW's.
I'd still rather have an American built V-8.
rejectallspam 1 month ago
How can I get in touch with you?
vochito56 2 months ago
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texturedmuffin 1 year ago
This guy could turn out engines using only two little single barrels, cheap parts and stuff from junk yard and rape the VTEC outta your civic.
AYEcorolla 1 year ago
Ive never really been too big a fan of turbo carb set-ups. However, your making some excellent gains. 250hp in a bug is flying fast. Good work.
originaldriver 1 year ago
shut up fagboy Valkswagon is queer as fuck just like you
nextrider123 1 year ago
ha and after u put 5gz into this engine maybe more it only made 225hp
fucking lame
nextrider123 2 years ago
@nextrider123
high horsepower numbers dont mean everything.
Infact, a 250 hp bug could out perform cars with twice that much power.
Learn your shit before you open your stupid mouth.
AYEcorolla 1 year ago
@nextrider123 try to buy a better motor for less, You wont find one, this motor probably only cost 2-3,000 cause he probably did all the work himself. where as you like to let the guys at what ever shit auto place you take your car rip you off.
dashizl 1 year ago
thats not how to spell sweat lol
OneShot2Kills 2 years ago
uh he means sweet(swee-t)
KillerKyle94 2 years ago
Just think if that was in a 67' bug.
That shit would smoke EVERYTHING
oogercrackle 2 years ago
If you put that engine in a beach buggy you'd need wheelie bars. My buggy's got a 64 vw beetle 1.6 blue printed, port/polish head & uprated internals, its pushing 170hp - and its fast enough! Imagine 225hp!
JJMetalMad999 2 years ago
@JJMetalMad999 ya dude that shits fuckin bad.
Too bad they didnt come like that from the factory haha
oogercrackle 2 years ago
turbo bug engines usually put out a higher tq number than hp.
squanchee 2 years ago
that's a small turbo.....
slovenski123 2 years ago
Its not the flat vs inline/etc that makes the difference. Its the bore/stroke ratio and the head design that dictate an engine's torque characteristics.
Look at a bike engine. Very oversquare (larger bore than stroke) as it needs very litle torque and can make use of the top end power.
Then look at a vw tdi engine - still an inline 4 but very undersquare - hence the huge torque and lack of revs.
It all depends on what its going into and what its for as to which is best.
MrSiraff 2 years ago 2
One thing that most people seem to be forgeting here is torque. A 250hp VW motor will usualy be making 250+ ft lbs of torque, where an inline 4 with 400hp doesnt have near 200ft lbs. Thats why I love the stroker VW motors. Flat motors make good torque anyways, and longer stroke means more torque. And torque is what gives you that neck snapping acceleration.
2redneck 2 years ago 17
Thats true thats wy my 1985 300zx irt very strong in streeth drag races. 227 lbs @3600rpm!! VG30ET Engine.
Some 2000-2003 mustangs hare jelous.
castillobox2 2 years ago
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I know that. My 05 Dodge 3500 with a Cummins schools most street toys around here. With over a 1000 ft. lbs. of torque, I either spin or break stuff. 8.2 1/8th with a 2.2 60' time. 3rd gear line lock launch @ 30-38 lbs of boost. If I launch over 40 psi it wheelhops so bad I break leaf springs.
2redneck 2 years ago
My vw is an inline 4 making 238 whp and 289 ft/lbs :)
justinbimmerman 2 years ago
umm, are you just talking about VW? cause my 97 GSX is rated at 205 hp @6000 and 220lbs @3000......
It's and automatic. the manuals are 210hp and 214 lbs
JTmagicman24 2 years ago 2
well what it's rated at and what it would actually pull on a dyno are two different numbers my friend, if you've been rough on the engine, chances are it's not going ot be making that number anymore..plus it's not all about power, t's about power to weight ratio, accell, and so much more
8tr33s420 2 years ago 2
[to 2redneck] not sure what 400hp inline 4 you are talking about but 9 out of 10 times there is more torque then HP(or very close) ...400hp motor not putting out over 200lbT sounds wrong and/or a bad motor build....
lukejenn 2 years ago
not even....hondas are known for not making any torque what so ever
rb26xs14 2 years ago
[rb26xs14]...you have a point...I don't wast my time with Honda's....but I know Volvo's, Nissan's, Porsche, Subaru among others all keep the Numbers close.....Honda must be that 1 out of 10 I was talking about.....
lukejenn 2 years ago
lol your right
rb26xs14 2 years ago
: )
lukejenn 2 years ago
@2redneck You're correct, but my findings are 4 valve per cylinder engines make far less torque than horse power, us 2 valvers do alright in the torque department, eh? Those air cooled vw's can be serious weapons.
electricshockproof 1 year ago
@2redneck HP is how fast you get to the brick wall, and Torque is how far through that wall you will go
griff660 9 months ago
im not trying to pick a fight, but its not as simple as acceleration vs power, square motors are considered to be the best all rounders.
Perfect example of this is the 2JZ-GTE
my argument in the first place was 225hp from a 2.5L @ 18psi doesn't seem very efficient.
for instance my friend has a 3L that makes 437rwhp @ 20psi on pump gas, therefore the volumetric efficiency of this motor is FAR less than this motor.
paradox616 2 years ago
Square or not power is in the head.
An example of this is dropping an rb30 bottom end under the rb25 or 26 head. Power vs boost is exactly the same as the 2.5/2.6ltr but power is made earlier.
JoelnJulie 2 years ago
flow is not a big factor when the air is compressed. what does your argument have to do with the price of fish in south east asia anyway?
paradox616 2 years ago
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JoelnJulie 2 years ago
oh but how flow is a big factor when the air is compressed...
1. improvements to the top end will net the same power but with less air resistance hence boost.
2. A motor is simply an airpump. Open up the turbo side of things and it will make more power on less boost. restrict the hotside and it will require more boost to make the same power
A 225hp motor is hardly comparable to your 'friends' 3ltr making 437rwhp.
No friend statements here. Been there done that with my own RB30det.
JoelnJulie 2 years ago
18psi on pump gas, because thats never been done before!!!
225hp is not very good for a 2.5L, my 3L on makes 230hp bog stock
paradox616 3 years ago
it's not a vw nor is it air cooled now is it?
raca737 2 years ago
Small Motor sound nice..
Faztlan 3 years ago
It's funny how on youtube, everybody is an engine/turbo expert.
Nice build, sounds wicked!
positech123 3 years ago 23
Yea you noticed it too eh! It's ridiculous how many people think they know everything
BoxerTwoZero 3 years ago
buy petrol n lighter....
ery5621 3 years ago
drrrrrr
halomodder35 3 years ago
Looks like a motor from a vw bug.
vshawnw23 3 years ago
No, no it doesn't.
BoxerTwoZero 3 years ago
Ummm yes i have a vw bug and it looks a lot like it.
vshawnw23 3 years ago
I know, sorry, I replied to the wrong comment :S
BoxerTwoZero 3 years ago
:) np, love. vw i have a 1974 super beetle and a 1971that i will by putting a rx7 motor into.
vshawnw23 3 years ago
that was to Boxer
vshawnw23 3 years ago
haha its AJ and Skater Pat! I recognized that laugh
its Alaska Mike, keep up the good work guys!!!
see ya when i get back in California
nissan300zxmike 3 years ago
Voidi, mulari, touvlo, guyduri.
scotchfillet 3 years ago
Voidi! What's the big deal about 18psi on pump fuel? Am I missing something?
scotchfillet 3 years ago
ya I'm asking my self the same question, also that seems to have low hp for that boost.
saweet999 3 years ago
nah man unless your an idiot...seems pretty reasonable to me.
8tr33s420 2 years ago
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ok sweet, thanks nigger
saweet999 2 years ago
18 psi on an air cooled engine that originally made around 50 horsepower is pretty impressive I think. Especially when you consider it's making over four times the power it was stock!
borde049 3 years ago
yea and on a volks wagon.lol
cichlidkeeper91 3 years ago
i think its a boxer 4 riight??
t3t4sundance 3 years ago
ive always disliked the sound of a beetle or camper van but this is how they should of made them!!!
smitmk3 3 years ago
I agree with you that turns are more better, but drag is not as bad as you think.. It takes some skill to get the fastest reaction time. And in the end when both cars go down the track it comes down to who reacted fastest. Id rather road racing tooo
TamiyaDude 3 years ago
looks like a beetle engine
dutchfreaker 3 years ago
Correct.
Sigurd82 3 years ago
ware did u get your exaust parts fore your turbow
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dwsuporte 3 years ago
nicee turbo
lokuas4412 3 years ago
looks like a vw bug motor early modle
figifister 3 years ago
Nice running motor.
TECHKLEC 3 years ago
umm might i state that my pretty much stock* intake exaust mbc makes 250rwhp fucking vws
ralexward 3 years ago
God Damn... Lay me some rubber bro! hahaha! geez you probably get tire chirps in all gears and 100 foot burn outs! what kind of tranny are you using to handle this beast? super diff?, welded gears? 901 five speed? Got any turbo kits for an overbuilt 1600cc that can fit under the hood?
thetechnician22 3 years ago
hell yaaa,
i've been looking for something to use for my rickshaw
Soran0489 3 years ago
you people know that the porsche motor is an vw motor from the original vw kefer
teh deal was whit hitler ferdinant porsche made the looks of the kefer and in return he kud use te motors for is porsche's
delexotan 4 years ago
not bad considering original specs or this motor is between 35 and 50 hp iv seen a vw flat four make 1300 hp called the paradise beast,acording to HRM its the fastest four cyl. on earth low 6s at well over 200mph in q/m even though it had an after market case you still cant argue with #s like that.
GMisurdaddy 4 years ago
yeah I hade a moped with larger motor before
xsyar 4 years ago
I hope I get your buddies 64 bug that I recently bought to run like this. As of now, I have a ways to go.
vz800rider 4 years ago
My wiks racing 2387 w/IDA's & comp elim heads made 247hp at 7200rpm runs 11.70's and gets driven on the street. Come on AJ show us some
300+hp dyno pulls. I know you must build some all out race motors.
vdubnut58 4 years ago
this combo made 331tq and 315hp @ 5,000rpms at 21 lbs boost but we did not want to pull it on that high boost!! turned it down to 14lbs, switched back to pump and made this pull on the video. but jumped to 18lbs on pump!!!
mrkadron 4 years ago
would this go in a vw bug? i want to get a vw jetta vr6 and turbocharge it
FORDGTFANATIC 4 years ago
Yes its for a aircooled vw bug.
mrkadron 4 years ago
The VW Bug and the Vw Vr6 Engine are Not comparable , there leap in technoligy is so great...
But yeah i'd Suggest Supercharing Your Vr6 And Not a Shitty Turbo :)
3DDDs 4 years ago
Shitty turbo?! what is the matter with you? turbos are way cooler than a (sounds like your car is stuck in reverse) supercharger
bliglum 3 years ago
a WELL TUNED VR6 WITH TURBO
VS a WELL TUNED VR6 WITH SUPERCHARGER.
The SC would rip the turbo , no gay lag / instant power , amazing throttle response , so yeah shitty turbo.
3DDDs 3 years ago
yes, but you will need a shitty bigger supercharger to cope with the power loss from the charger needing the engine to spin it up, whereas the turbo system only needs naturally produced exhaust emmissions!
the winner....
THE TURBO!!!!
mintysport 3 years ago
no. that where YOUR wrong. noone cares bout a lag. the tc gets more power without using ANY power from the engine. and the supercharger takes power just to get power.. now thats gay. and its not efficent. but the upside to a sc is the sounds.
audir1thenewone 3 years ago
boys, boys
there is no replacement for displacement :D
hey not really, we all can aree that the best motors made are from honda
1,8 VTI was 10 yares ahead in 98 and still its great engine
and have it some turbo od charger ?
nope, just claver valves
and why honda dont does stock turbos ? becouse when they were in F1 they lernet that turbos arent good for regular motoring so they go VTEC way, and its great way
but about VR6 its much, much better supercharget then turbocharged, trust m
BonAquak 3 years ago
turbos take away power from the engine through exhaust backpressure
GWASH321 3 years ago
No one care's about lag ?
You couldn't be more wrong , why do you think in all the american drag car's they all use a big super charger ?
Presides if you got a right setup for a turbo there shouldnt really be much lag , still i prefer a turbo and who cares if it saps 20-30 bhp , i'd be willing to comprimise that for a second off my 0-60mph time !
just my personal opinion
3DDDs 3 years ago
ok ok some peeps care abot a lag. i care just a bit. but not much.
audir1thenewone 3 years ago
You realize Supercharges sap more hp than turbos, right?
Nikes223 3 years ago
Yeah , but i'd be willing to lose say what 15-30bhp for throttle response gained , no waiting till 3-5 x1000's RPM ! :D
3DDDs 3 years ago
hell put a supercharger on it for low end power then slap a turbo on it for the power increase lol, ive actually always wanted to know if that would work......
MixtapeSkippy 3 years ago
Yeah that does work , just look at the new Golf Gti , or R34 , i forget witch one has it..
if not both :)
3DDDs 3 years ago
i saw in a magazine somewhere they did it to a golf and a 3 series bmw
MixtapeSkippy 3 years ago
Yup , i dont really think many people have done it for " tuning " , but it'd be a sweet ass Drag setup " even know i think drags for Queers who cant handle turning a steering wheel " :]
3DDDs 3 years ago
autocross and road racing is my choice to, lol it would even be good for that for coming out of the corners too
MixtapeSkippy 3 years ago
i like other races rather than drag myself as well, but drag does serve its purpose of posting a killer 1/4 mile time...its all for bragging rights
colbertpresident08 3 years ago
Yeah , but you might aswell do it on the roller's :L
3DDDs 3 years ago
Yeah 2000hp is homo. Ahright
TamiyaDude 3 years ago
Who said 2000hp is homo , i was simply saying my opinion is that drag is for homo's , weather 2000hp is used in a drag race or not if it was 5000000000000bhp would make shit odd's to me.
You cant compare pussy shit drag to rally or 24h nordschleife ( the ring ) anyone can just gun it ..
3DDDs 3 years ago
You really demonstrate how ignorant you truly are. You are probably the same type that claims metal musicians just bang on their instruments.
Triple D is very appropriate for you m8, good luck in curing you affliction. Rectal Cranial Inversion. Ta
viandefraich 3 years ago
Shut up you fucking Retard if your not going to comment onthe video don't comment at all !
3DDDs 3 years ago
LOL, struck a nerve did I? You brought out the big guns with the "retard" comment.
As to the video I enjoyed it, I build the engines as well so thats what brought me here. But your addle minded comments were begging to be ripped upon. "drag is for homo's" LOL, you tell your age, 12 maybe 13. Which means you can't even drive So why are you are you even here? Stick your head back in your ass before your ears get cold and all will be well in the world.
viandefraich 3 years ago
Your so Wrong , for your information im 21 and i drive a Bmw e30 325i witch is currently undergoing an overhaul + Supercharger, 7 series heavy duty cam's , light weight pistons , ect.. i was stating my opinion Drag is crap , what do you gain from going 0-topspeed-0 in a straight line ? , honestly no skill involved at all , If you think your somthing special bring your hottest car to this years bme fest a pod.. ill be number 333 ;) Seeya there ? , Doubtfull.
3DDDs 3 years ago
Oh your 21, that's truly sad. The fact that you do not realize the contributions by we inept drag racers to automotive performance gains belies your age.If you truly are doing road course with a supercharger you are a dolt. With all the free horsepower you get from a turbo and the sustained rpms of road course racing a super is, to use your word, "retarded". Btw the way little man, will I see you at the WERA Grand National Finals Oct. 9-12? doubtful. LOL!!! Bike is #7 Farewell twit.
viandefraich 3 years ago
IF you'd realise that If i choose a s/c or a t/c
It's personal Taste , Everyone seem's to think supercharger's have some big downsides ?
Supercharger's have come along way sine 1960 in dodge hemi's..
My Brothers Shabby old 325i E30 won the british drift championships..
So no biggy if you try and hit on my car..
i know it can rip s13's 15's to peaces ... Trampdrift*com
3DDDs 3 years ago 2
dude you're fucking stupid
a supercharger is way better on a road course
they don't take time to spool up, its instant power
face it, you're not going balls out on a road course all the time, you have to slow down and shift down to corner
and sure, you rob power by running off the belts but if its not a ricer street racing some highway then who cares?
that bmw makes plenty enough power to to make a charge
xKAOTIXx 3 years ago
well .. you can use anti-lag for turbo build .. but that hurt turbo and you will have to put down a lot of money on rebuilding your turbo every 3 races $_$
r3dw0lf88 3 years ago
Wrong.A Vortech s-charger works with revolutions dummy. It needs revs to give hp, therefor it takes time to spool up. A whipple would better for what your talking about but still, Instant power has a lot more to do with matching engine component's than any other single thing. Get a clue and do it before giving advise. I've used both and i can teach you a thing or two about achieving hp stats on the blacktop.
grandchancelor 3 years ago
Every supercharger works with revolutions of the engine. That's obvious. The guy was right. A supercharger would be better on a road course, because you don't have the sharp boost kick, when you're in a turn. The boost from a blower is much linear compared to the turbo.
chillined 3 years ago
Perhaps i worded my statement incorrectly.
A vortech s'charger is going to need revs for boost and the more revs the more boost. With a vortech, it is that simple. A whipple would give you more on tap when you need it, WITH a bypass valve & without the need to spool up, meaning without having to increase revs anywhere near as much as a vortech to make more power,but my point remains to be proven wrong.Cams,pulleys and piston size will do more for you than the turbo or the supercharger will.
grandchancelor 3 years ago
Yeah, depending how much money you want to use.
chillined 3 years ago
Put simply, internals govern power at rpm's to a degree.S'charger or turbine, it doesn't matter at all, if your internals are stock they were there for production setup figures only. Change them first, get the power where you want it when you want it. Look at the R35 GTR. ZERO lag unlike the Porsche which is loaded with low down lag,therein lies the Problem for Porsche, getting it to hook up the way the GTR does, because of power rush.GTR doesnt have that problem from it's turbines does it ?
grandchancelor 3 years ago
good internals will stop you from blowing holes in pistons if it detonates, and throwing rods... they do nothing for power.... the only way is to increase the volumetric efficiency... period, unless you've driven a R35 and a Porsche you really cant make that judgment. although a supercharger delivers linear power it also has a large overhead. VE governs power...
paradox616 2 years ago
Quite simply i mean,piston geometry and matching the correct cams is AS much importance if not more than just what turbine or blower,I know my maths mate, im not a kid.Either way,here's the facts put simple though,if it's zero to high speed you want, then you NEED small diameter piston and long stroke length.Large [power at HIGH speeds needs a larger diameter piston and shorter stroke length. In both cases the motor volume may be identical.
grandchancelor 2 years ago
Power/mass=acceleration X speed which qualitively tells us the faster we go, the less acceleration we have IF the power/mass is constant.
grandchancelor 2 years ago
i think both of u r tards c ing who can piss the furthest on youtube is stupid
apathysuchislife 3 years ago 4
turbo > supercharger
liveguns 3 years ago
someone who understands...but NA guarentees no lags =D
spoontuner 3 years ago
lol n/a is just infinite lag. ;)
intengineering 3 years ago 2
you fine tuning should do.....aint never heard of Spoon?
spoontuner 3 years ago
Can this setup completely fit under the deck lid without stand offs?
thetechnician22 4 years ago
nice
V6TURBINE 4 years ago
Those are nice numbers but the CB crew built a streetable non-turbo 2332cc that put out 224hp@6500 with 10.96:1 comp ratio. Seems like you should be getting more than what you're getting especially at that boost level.
Tonyiz 4 years ago
Yes but at 6500rpms. no tq at low rpms.
This motor made 237tq@3500. So real, normal oil temp, pump gas use this motor made 4k 174hp 228tq, 4,5 k194hp 226tq, 5k 204hp 214tq
5200 made 224hp and 226tq on pump gas. Not a short fast pull!!!!
mrkadron 4 years ago
Well you got me on that one! I can't recall what they said their tq numbers were. Turbo is definitely the way to go if you can afford a quality build. I got a recipe from oldman Kawell on what I need to piece together my track car. I'm poor so an 8-11k motor is a lot of overtime...lol...Nice work on your end though.
Tonyiz 4 years ago
nice engine what brand turbo are you using ?
krisaveli 4 years ago
sounds good.
claud122003 4 years ago
thats why you build the motor for turbo and use quality parts
cowboyup1086 4 years ago
Yes you get it!!!!!
mrkadron 4 years ago
ent that engine from a old vw beetle
lilcow418 4 years ago
What?
mrkadron 4 years ago
you know the old volks wagon beetle engines is that one ov them
lilcow418 4 years ago
wih the added heat, how long before the piston cracks and seperates around the ring?
gumpydoood 4 years ago
You only build heat when under boost,so you drive on the motor at norm temps. you can drive @80mph from CA to NY with out building boost (heat) if you want!
mrkadron 4 years ago
I realize this. But aircooled engines are already at the outer limits of being able to handle the heat. And a turbo is like blowing on a fire.
I have seen the piston cracked complletely around the circumference at the ring site: damage that was certainly done from the excess heat and cooling. It was on a turbo corvair engine.
gumpydoood 4 years ago
aircooled motors are not an any temp limit unless they are built wrong!
mrkadron 4 years ago
you serious dude?
JgHaverty 4 years ago
Absolutely. But you don't need to believe me as this is the opinion of Bob Hoover. I hold his opinions in high esteem.
And, from y personal experiance. I once had a Corvair Spider that was turbo charged. The piston cracked the entire circumferance at the ring joint. Since, I have found out this is not unusual for turboed Corvairs or for turboed VW's.
skruffyvalentine 4 years ago
have not had that problem. we have combos with over 50,000 miles at over 10lbs boost all day. The gear box is the only week link for us!!!
mrkadron 4 years ago
just carry a bottle of nitrous in the back and spray her down when shes heatin up.. :P
plucka115 4 years ago
I want one!!!
adrianhabicht 4 years ago