Jesus apologetics: Gospels contradict -part4

[Triathlete5551]

Bible= Written by God the most perfect author, too bad he sucks at editing.

[MisterSartor]

Lemme get this straight . . . the Bible clearly contradicts itself because of the inherent error of oral tradition and that the authors have just made up details to "spice it up"? I didn't expect this . . .

It's refreshing to see that idea of Biblical inerranancy being preached against from the pulpit. I enjoyed the mental gymnastics that the preacher goes through at the end to try to make sense of obvious contradictions.

Sure, there are contradictions, but they make sense! (huh?)

[brianbgood]

Excellent points. You would think an omniscient being would have had the forethought to know that 21st men would have a huge problem with this degree of disparity among the gospels. Never mind 2 conflicting creation accounts, condoning generational incest, ark zoo's, whale taxis, and talking snakes... I'm so over all three Abrahamic faiths...

[bfinkish]

people make their life around porn, drugs, drinking, and money. then they try to argue that there isn't a God because they want to justify their actions. God gives us the freedom to do what we want because he loves us and you then wonder why bad things happen...

[bballcardcollector09]

James 1:13 God can't be tempted.

Hebrews 4:15 Jesus was tempted in every way.

[bballcardcollector09]

so now the discrepanices are rationalized? what does John 1:1 say? the word was God... so confusing!!!

[bballcardcollector09]

The details are not all that important eh??? But the core is still there??? So although the Bible contradicts itself, its core is infallible now??? lol

[bballcardcollector09]

Do you believe the Bible to be infallible? Look at Matthew 10:110 and Mark 6:8-9? Answer me about the staff problem?

[espyd21c]

awesome! he just admits that things have been changed in the gospels but the essence is the same! you'd think divine inspiration would have stricter guidelines. even the q'uran commands that not one word be changed.

[saakma25]

We can't rely on *original* manuscripts! he's right!! That's the core problem. They have been dragged around in the mud far too much. 25 versions of a Bible!!!!???P.S, a book you call the 'word of God' and the details don't matter. LOL, that's the illoigical thinking that's put a BIG red flag surrounding Christinity & the Bible.

[fratbrotha]

the video should continueu reading the scripture because there are contradictionsn on how many angels were there...if jesus met them at the tomb...where he told them to meet him at. AND whether he quickly ascended or whether he hung around for somet time and preached some more.

[TheHonestTheist]

/watch?v=fFH0khjgA0U

[migkillertwo]

is that Greg Boyd?

[joeskis]

You got it.  You know him?

[migkillertwo]

I read a book of his.

[BrainRazer]

It drives *me* mad how people say that there is way no the Bible does not have complete authority and is infallible while at the same time say that it has to be "interpreted" i.e. excused for logical problems. If God invented math then why would His word fail the most basic of logic?

[submitted1]

Great Job! Keep up the good work brother. Thank you Jesus for dying the death I deserve. The richness of the gospel accounts is more credible than that of 1 "prophet's" account of the events over 550 years later.

[Klaratu]

what an arrogant smart ass! of course the gospel accounts differ, show me two people who have exact accounts of the same event? not gonna happen! would you believe witnesses in court who had exactly the same story? There are apparent contradictions in the gospels but the way of salvation is crystal clear! Jesus paid the price and died on the cross for your sins and rose from the dead for your justification before GOD! Put your faith in Him,repent and believe in the gospel!

[joeskis]

are you referring to the speaker in the video? If you are then obviously you didn't watch the whole video.

[BrainRazer]

Haha Klaratu! Way to bash a preacher of your own faith LOL

[LetReasonPrevail1]

@Klaratu That's typical. Take obvious evidence that works against the notion that the bible is the inerrant word of god (namely, that there are numerous contridictions between the various gospels), and twist it around so that this fact is magically seen instead as strong evidence in favor of the veracity of the gospels. Huh?

Very impressive non-logic.

I bet you could convince yourself that 2 + 2 = 5.

[LetReasonPrevail1]

@Klaratu If you don't want to be intellectually lazy, then you would need to discuss the NATURE of the discrepancies found between the gospels and whether or not they are the type of discrepancies that one would simply expect to find in writings from different authors.

Then you would need to prove that these are not the type of discrepancies that discredit these writings.

[LetReasonPrevail1]

@Klaratu You seem to be implying that contridictions are all the same and that whenever they are found between two different accounts of the same event then these contridictions always support the facts of the two accounts. Really? Are you that obtuse?

So if witness #1 says "I saw Joe steal the car" and witness #2 says "I saw Susan steal the car", I guess you would jump up and say, "Look at the contridiction beween there testimonies, obviously they can both be relied upon as fact!!"

[TheNextTurn]

The early Chrsitains (EC) believe that faith was completely personal, and created by many many moral stories by individuals. Morailty to them was void of poolictics and authority.

Part of EC faith was creating moral stories, thats why the Bible was cannonized. When the very political Roman Chrurh was born, these are the poeple that defined the Bible, did they understand the teachings of Jesus?

After RCC was created all other religions were banned.

DID THE FIRST RCC UNDERSTAND JESUS?

[krew666666]

As this guy points out there are numerous contradictions in the happenings of the gospels.....and this guy unknowingly proves that the bible is full of myth,mixed with factual events and places...He is attributing THE WORD OF GOD TO HUMANS' ORAL TRADIONS, is it the WORD OD GOD OR HUMANS???make up your mind..lololool

[nonlocalkaviraj]

see his book "The Jesus Legend" (460 pages of dicussion) for a more thorough case for his views.

[joeskis]

There's actually two versions of this book. An academic one and then the main stream version. I don't know which is which but the Academic book is larger (as in number of pages).  "Jesus: Lord or Legend" I think is the name of the mainstream version.

[nonlocalkaviraj]

the academic version is the one I cited - "The Jesus Legend: A Case for the historical reliablity of the synoptic Jesus tradition". The layperson version is "Lord or Legend? Dealing with the Jesus Dilemma". Best wishes

[legodesi]

He said that the accounts that were written were inspired by God, in other words, that the people in those accounts are authentically who they claim to be. to say that something cannot be inspired by one thing and written by another person is to say that movies cannot be inspired by actual events, or occurence of events be inspired by real things.

[Philos2006]

Thank you sir for putting the bible on the same level of credibility as the story of Hannibal. Conclusion: the bible, the gospels are human stories. Nothing godly about itPeace !!

[godlesscommie1]

I agree with his basic point. For example, we can't be sure about the details of Hannibal, just like we can't be sure of biblical details. The problem is that we aren't looking at Christianity as a purely historical account. People use it as a basis of foreign and national policy, of law, of discrimination towards homosexuals (and so on and so on). If we were using the story of Hannibal's crossing in the same way, I would argue that we should be very skeptical of what we think we know.

[ProfMTH]

This explanation regarding oral tradition would be fine if one were talking about literature based on oral tradition that didn't claim divine inspiration. Once divine inspiration enters the equation, the significance of the contradictions becomes infinitely greater. The same for differing witness accounts. Couldn't divine inspiration have corrected the mistakes? If not, why not?

[joeskis]

True. The debate on this one though then is to what extent was the divine inspiration. If it was dictated to the human then contradictions are a problem. If the inspiration was more towards the "plot" rather then the details then contradictions arn't as big a factor.

[ProfMTH]

Not to be difficult, but this strikes me as odder still. Take, for example, the instructions the Hebrew scriptures have God giving regarding the ways in which the Hebrews were to worship him and sacrifice to him, as well as the place in which these things were to be done and even the outfits that some of the Hebrews (the priests) were to wear when performing their sacerdotal duties.

[ProfMTH]

Meticulous detail. One might be tempted to call it quintessential micromanagement. Yet when it comes to the resurrection of Jesus Christ -- presented as *the* pivotal transcendent event in all of human history and the sine qua non of the Christian faith -- God concerned only for plot and not details. Strange.

[joeskis]

I guess I don't see the problem as clearly as you. In your examples the authors when writing about the law are writing what God specifically told them to do. While the Gospel writers arn't necessarily writing what God told them to write but rather writing about their experience with Jesus.

[nonlocalkaviraj]

check out the speaker's new book titled "The Jesus Legend"

[drtazz2879]

Ok, I understand about no contradictions but doesn't it say somewhere that the bible is the word of god and that you cannot add to nor take away from..therefore every single word has to be accounted for and recognized as being true, and if there is differences in the truth is it really true?

Please respond.

Thanks

[joeskis]

Well differing doesn't mean someone is wrong. If there are 8 people in a room and one person reports that there are 6 and another reports that there are 7 no one is necessarily wrong here. Maybe the 6 didn't count himself and the other reporter while the 7 didn't count himself but did count the other reporter.

[joeskis]

Plus, it gives more validity to the Gospels when there are differing perspectives. Any cop/court will tell you eyewitnesses will differ on their reports even though they saw the exact same thing. Eyewitnesses that don't differ, especially with the fine details, on their reports from one another are usually thought of as suspectious.

[drtazz2879]

So are you saying the bible should not be taken literally, rather take it metaphorically?

[Prolific85]

I would think someone of it is metaphorical and some of it is literal.