"I don't necessarily mean to be insulting to everybody.." Don't feel bad about it Matt! You are the one who convinced me to drop my last lingering supernatural beliefs and I am thankful for it. Don't apologize for speaking the truth as sincerely as you are able to. When someone has the courage to do that, it can help so many people.
-You can’t understand Christianity because you’re not a Christen.
=Then you can’t understand atheism for the same reason.
-The Old Testament isn’t relevant any more.
=So homosexuals won’t be burned forever and neither will you if you ever ate shellfish or wore polyester, trimmed your beard or ate pork? Dose that also mean the 10 commandments aren’t reliant anymore, along with the creation story the fall of man and need for Jesus to die and be resurrected in the first place?
It wouldn't matter if christians actually read the bible. They are too dense to recognize any issues or contradictions. Well I say they like its all of them. I meant to say 99 our a 100.
@baxtar1963 I de-converted when Harold Camping came out with his crazy BS. Then I decided I HAD to do my duty as a christian and read the bible for myself objectively to make sure it makes sense. Because I was tired of listening to other people throw out verses and I didn't know them myself. I'm just saying.. they key may just be to challenge them to read it critically. Which yes I know that sounds impossible because it requires believing it on reason not faith... which is why I am now atheist.
I was told recently by a Christian that God's morality when it came to stoning and children and all that can be ignored because in the Old Testament, Jesus had not yet "sacrificed" himself. Now that Jesus has done so, punishments like those don't have to be carried out because Jesus took those God-given punishments on himself. Thoughts?
@DantehMan Logical fallacy again, according to that stupid book we are all sinned because of our ancestors' fault which is clearly a set up by God himself, Jesus in this case sacrificed to himself to complete this false circle.
@SNAKESOAP117 Right, but their reasoning wasn't that they were disregarding the Old Testament, it's that Jesus's "sacrifice" made it so we don't have to suffer those punishments when we do what the Old Testament says we shouldn't. So I'm thinking, what then from the Old Testament to we follow and what do we disregard? And more importantly, how come I've NEVER heard about this before?
@DantehMan They usually disregard things in the old testament when it doesn't sound loving and nice. If you say "Oh that's the old testament Jesus died so it would change." Then fine, you can no longer persecute gays.
@SNAKESOAP117 Right. I suppose then I should come up with a list of things that were said to be done in the Old Testament and should no longer be done because of Jesus's sacrifice. Thanks bud!
@RayTech70 I'm still trying to figure out the connection between atheists and Hippocrates -- the Hippocratic oath, perhaps?
I guessed I missed the updated second edition of the Bible -- Was 'thou shalt not judge or persecute those who have different beliefs, sexual orientation, or any other opinions different from your own' added?
@TheDeadlyGamesman No, but there's the "What you do unto the least among you, you do unto me" and (paraphrased) "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" in there.
@RayTech70 Let's just assume for a minute God is real and created the universe and all the physical laws that govern it. This would mean the guy is super damn smart. As a really super smart guy I think he could tell that there isn't anything wrong with being gay because it doesn't harm anyone. As long as you are safe, aware of diseases and etc. no one is going to get hurt. So I'm betting this God who hates gays is something you've imagined up.
@RayTech70 Those instructions have multiple errors in regards to genetics, astronomy, geology, and biology. So, if they are wrong about most of the sorts of things I learned in elementary school it's probably wrong about God too.
@RayTech70 If yahweh declares that he and his word are "unchanging", and you believe he is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being, then NO, you don't get to go changing around him or his words, and neither does he, unless he is a liar -- and if he is a liar, then why believe anything he says?
Your kind are the hipocrites, always trying to bend and change the "unchanging" word of your god. I'll not even bother mentioning how scatterbrained and nonsensical the rest of your comment was.
When you accept magical thinking as a baseline for your view on reality (god goggles) then you are especially susceptible to any lie. Faith is gullibility and ignorance void of scientific evidence and analytical thinking. Think for your self or some one will do it for you, to your peril and their benefit. Unfortunately this is not possible for some. To those I give my condolences.
With information so easily available, being ignorant today is by choice.
Deism inspires CREATIVE genius like no other belief system in the world. Our founding fathers were deists and there was no lack of brain power amongst any of them.
Organized religion is a contrivance based on the imaginative speculation of ancient people who have eaten far too many of those tasty wild mushrooms. I for one believe in a divine being not because I have proof, but because the miracle of anything existing at all is sufficient evidence for me to believe. God, for lack of a better word, has gifted man the ability to reason and to express his divinity by giving voice to the natural world in all it's beauty and ugliness.
@thechessstick How about you do yourself a favour & stop being a sheep to the invisible sky-daddy who only keeps you around so that you worship him & whatever he does...let's say God DOES exist; he's proud of himself that he's warped your puny little mind into believing he exists & to ignore any proof that refutes his existance...do some simple research & you'll learn Lucifer, the "evil" devil was the Demon who represented the Sin of Pride...proud God, demon of pride, do the math, dipstick
@Tarynus Wow, are you an indoctrinated one. You are what we now call an evolutard. Your ability to think and or reason has been stopped due to your religious indoctrination. And what's worse is that it is a government imposed religion. Sad...
@thechessstick Trust me, Cheesy, I'm as far from religious as you can get...Seven Deadly Sins, I've "committed" them all & I'm still here...to me, that's proof enough that your imaginary sky-daddy is just that: IMAGINARY
Besides, I think I saw some PRIDE in that reply of yours...I'll say it again; demon representing the Sin of Pride, proud God...sounds pretty suspicious to me, almost like ol' Luci's tricked you sheepies into believing what he wants you to this whole time
@Tarynus Actually you are as religious as one can get. You are an atheist and what's more, you are an evolutionist. You belong to two of the stupidest religions ever conceived. Sad....
@thechessstick You obviously don't know squat about either term; Atheism is LACK of belief in a supernatural being or force controlling the universe & Evolutionist is a term used by Theists to make out that acknoledgement of evolution throughout the billions of years it has existed is actually a religion; meaning, you can be an Atheist & not trust in evolution, just like you can trust in evolution & be a Theist
Try & educate yourself before jumping to stupid conclusions such as those next time
@Tarynus Again you show your ignorance. Both atheism and evolution are beliefs and religious ones at that. Wake up and don't be such a cowardly wimp of an atheistic evolutard.
@thechessstick You are so deluded, it's more than obvious you're not going to be convinced by proof that's both easily available & already confirmed to be true
I hope you'll see sense one day, but I can already tell that's as likely as your imaginary sky-daddy picking me up & throwing me into the sun
Evolution obviously stopped when it got to such a braindead toad such as yourself, here's to your less-than-human subspecies being the last leaf on your branch of the Tree of Life
@thechessstick For fuck's sake! Can you creationists stop saying "atheism and evolution are religions"? How is atheism a religion? It's the exact opposite of a religion, there is no atheist Holy book, there's no atheist doctrine telling us how to live our lives. Atheism is MERELY the lack of a belief in God, nothing else. You religious people are getting so annoying and you really need to go away.
@thechessstick How exactly can evolution be a religion? There are plenty of Christians who believe in evolution, does that mean they have two religions? Evolutionism and Christianity?
@JohnnyKubark You really should try to get out of that government imposed box that you are in. Do a little study on "The Negro Project" which was headed by Margaret Sanger. You are just a simple pawn and you don't even know it.
@thechessstick Oh please, spare me this whole little preachy thing where you pretend to understand the ways of the world. You sound like a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who thinks he's figured the whole world out. You're like those idiots who say "the Freemasons are controlling your mind, man!". Do you actually believe that evolution is a big, scary conspiracy theory that has been happening for 150 years? Are the scary scientists controlling our minds with that evil science stuff?!
@JohnnyKubark Nothing scary about evolution. It is just a simple lie for simple minds. What is bullsh*t is that tax dollars support its teaching. Oh, and by the way, science and evolution have nothing in common. The problem is is that you evolutionists are too damn stupid to understand that.
@thechessstick Oh right, evolution is stupid, but talking snakes & Jewish zombies makes total sense, right? Yeah, I'd much rather believe in a vicious and myopic God clapping his massive hands and then 2 people just *exploding* into existence. Yeah, there's nothing stupid about virgin births and using magic to "stop the sun".
Evolution must be some big conspiracy! The ENTIRE scientific community has been in on it for 150 years and EVERY single scientist has managed to keep it a secret, right?
@thechessstick And you think Kent Hovind and Ben Stein make good arguments?!? No wonder!!! You are beyond all hope if you think Hovind and Stein are clever...Oh my word 0_o
@JohnnyKubark I never said that Hovind and Stein are clever. I do think that they have some wisdom. That is something that atheist are totally devoid of.
@thechessstick Hovind and Stein are just nut-job conspiracy theorists. They espouse tin-foil hat urban myths. They are a joke. Why do you listen to people like Hovind and Stein? Why don't you actually observe the REAL scientific evidence, instead of listening to creationist conspiracy theorists on the internet?
Kent Hovind, Ron Wyatt and Ben Stein are NOT reliable sources.
@thechessstick You use to be an "evolutionist", until u started to listen to retarded creationist conspiracy theorists on the internet. Why do u pay these conspiracy theorists any credence?
You want me to do a little "independent research"? But I've been listening to creationist's claims for years and they all turn out to be nothing more than pathetic internet bullshit (just like UFOs and 9/11 Truthers).
Come on, blow my mind - give me some "creation science" that I haven't heard before.
@JohnnyKubark You obviously haven't read any A. E. Wilder-Smith books. Start there. Also, read Robert Dick Wilson's "A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament". I know like anything else you will google a few things about these guys and think you know something. seriously do some study.
@thechessstick Wilder-Smith? Oh, you're into all that "humans and dinosaurs lived together" shit? There are even CREATIONIST sites that debunk that stupid hoax with human and dinosaur footprints together in the same strata. See, again with the conspiracy theories. I'm not asking for stupid hoaxes, I'm asking for real science. Give me some real evidence (not more conspiracy theories).
"A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament" - is that the same Old Testament that calls for genocide?
@JohnnyKubark Wow, you believe everything that has been shoveled into your head by at the government indoctrination centers don't you? Stand up and be a man for a change and do some independent research.
@thechessstick How many times do I have to say this; I've done "the research". I know what claims creationist make, I've heard the so-called "creationist proof" and it turns out to be a load of crap. Creationists just have terrible conspiracy theory-type claims that get circulated via the internet. Creationist assertions don't pass the necessary requirements that scientific theories must pass.
And the Old Testament does call for genocide, check out Deuteronomy 20.
@JohnnyKubark You're right, of course, revealed religion i s a crock, there is no merit to it. That's why I'm a deist, I believe in a creator out of TRUE faith, and not because some book written by a flawed creature (man) tells me too. I also realize that doubt is what keeps people sane, and grounded in their humanity. Unfortunately people who believe in revealed religion do not care about certain facts like evolution and never will, it is almost pointless to talk to them.
@AnonyMOUSE1177 God created the kinds and they reproduce after their kind. Don't be so simple-minded as to be fooled simple because speciation and variation happens. Stand up and think for yourself like a man should for change.
@thechessstick You're telling me to think for myself when all you're doing is repeating an ancient idea that makes you feel good because people who you trust told you it was real.
@AnonyMOUSE1177 Actually, instead of just taking people's word for things I did the work myself to see wht evidence is really out there. You should, too. Wake up and be a man.
@thechessstick What's with all this be a man stuff? Do you secretly feel that you are somehow an inadequate specimen of a man and then project that attitude during arguments? How about you actually respond with this so called "evidence" instead of hurling insults that reveal your own insecurities?
@AnonyMOUSE1177 Exactly, why is he saying "be a man"? Why is our masculinity coming into question? I have a penis and testicles, therefore I'm a man, my opinion on science and religion won't change the fact that I'm a man.
@thechessstick You think you're being some kind of iconoclast, but you're just believing retarded creationist rumours that Kent Hovind espouses. Stop thinking that you've discovered some profound truth and that you just have to educate us silly little "evolutionists".
oh seriously matt, the head leader of the human genome project is NOT AT ALL evangelical, thats bullshit. You need to understand that people can have beliefs, and still dont be evangelical.
Dr. Etheridge, famous fossilologist of the British Museum, one of the highest authorities in the world, said:--"Nine-tenths of the talk of evolutionists is sheer nonsense, not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum, there is not a particle of evidence of the transmutation of species.
@thechessstick "Dr. Etheridge, famous fossilologist of the British Museum"
You're actually attempting to use the thinking of a VICTORIAN ERA scientist, 20 years before the piltdown man hoax, as a relevant quote about the current state of scientific evidence? Before Lucy? Before DNA? REALLY?????
@thechessstick P.S. I notice you're a Kent Hovind fan as well. That alone should disqualify anything you've got to say about science as unworthy of the time it took to express it.
and the same Christians that disregard the old testament also lean on it when they're confronted with the topic of homosexuality so they have an excuse to be homophobic.
religions spread through warfare, gaining territories and then setting up systems for indoctrinating children. that's it. people don't convert in any great numbers. 1% of christians convert to christianity after childhood and the ones who do are in prison or are recovering addicts.
I can't believe that bald guy studied once to become a minister. He possesses so much ignorance about the meaning of The New Testament and Old Testaments. The Old Testament this was written before Jesus came to Earth. God needed a way to enforce His laws on mankind. Even though some of His actions sound cruel when you read The Old Testament, it was necessary to ensure His will on Earth. After Jesus, this was no longer necessary because Christ, living in His believers, now accomplish this.
@YesYou123333 So stoning people to death for wearing clothes of two different fabrics was necessary to ensure God's will on Earth?? C'mon, you gotta be kidding me.
@atheistram Yeah, I know. And, I thought religion was supposed to be sweet and cuddly. You know, that's the reason we "dreamed" up Heaven. So we could feel all warm and cuddly inside. You atheists can't have it both ways. First, you say we dreamed up religion to make us feel better then you say look at this cruel God you created...how could you love such a beast? So, let me ask you. Did us Christians "create" a nice God or a mean God?
@YesYou123333 You made a mean God, who want people to act nice on certain occasions, so that they can get into his awesome land of horrible. That's about it. Because when you think about it heaven sounds awful, or like a paradox. Heaven is "perfect", but if it were perfect then only perfect people would be there, and since everybody is perfect nobody is different, which sounds horrible. I am glad that there is no heaven, since it sounds awful, like torture.
@YesYou123333 The Jews were responsible for creating the mean God (although the Christians quickly adopted this mean God). The Christians were responsible for creating the "nice" God. Although Jesus wasn't all that nice considering with him the concept of hell was created.
2. Get holy person, and make him/her a priest/prophet: Yourself =D
3. Use circular logic to protect religion: Only members of the religion can understand the holy text, and you need to understand the holy text to be a member of the religion.
@gangster301 Your steps to a religion are so simple. Why haven't there been more of them if they're so easy to create? And, don't give me that "there are tons of religions" BS. 99.9% of all the religions in history are believed by .00000000000001% of the worlds population. If it was as simple as you state, there would be hundreds and hundreds of religions that are believed by a "reasonable" amount of people. In fact, why don't you try to create one right now? See how far it gets.
@YesYou123333 You didn't pay attention to the vital fourth point: "Lure stupid and desperate people in". It's hard to lure people in by yourself! However, if you already have a lot of the victim's contacts already in your religion it's a lot easier! Therefore large religions grow faster and easier than small ones, and when people join religions they often join the biggest ones in their area. Though most people are forced into their religion from birth.
It never ceases to amaze me when christians pawn things off as old testament irrelevance when they cling to a body of commandments set forth IN the old testament, and blatantly ignore a wealth of morally questionable acts performed by the very same god of BOTH testaments. So what if the new testament reformed god's expectations of man? It doesn't reform a damn thing about the cruelty demonstrated time and again by that very same god, nor does it justify them, nor erase them from the book.
Deuteronomy 28:58 - "You must keep ALL the commandments and statutes contained in this book, or I will bring upon you horrible sufferings". Yet, many christians think that the NT makes all these things obsolete, yet they will say that god is unchanging, and Jesus is the same god as Yawheh. Bullshit. It's an excuse.
i have no respect for a beleif that i am going to be tortured forever because god puts me their and i definitely cant respect someone who woships this god, its unexcusable
Matt (Being a former Christian who almost went to seminary) should know that the Christian argument is not "Oh that was the Old Testament" it's that those were laws meant for a specific people at a specific time when things were very different than they are now. It is far more complicated than he is presenting it. Shame on him. He’s acting like a creationist that should know better.
Does it matter that it is more complicated? Evolution and the many ways it acts is quite complicated, yet for clear reasons both can be summed in a few sentences. This is especially true when those complications are by far not the same across the board among Christians and he has a TV show to run.
@69soulstone@69soulstone First of all there's more than ten. The "ten commandments" is a modern term not used in OT times or NT times. Second, specific laws that people like to quote (out of context) to bash Christianity do not apply today. That's clear from the NT. But that doesn't mean we can’t learn from the OT or apply the universal truths contained in it. Just because some things in the OT are out dated and do not apply to this culture doesn't mean it should be totally disregarded.
@Drunkenprophet23 Ah the old "out of context" argument. I can't accurately count the number of scriptures I've been accused of quoting "out of context" only to demonstrate that not only did I read them in context, but that I knew the body of the text better than those making the claim.
I wonder how Kind David's wives felt about the "correct context" of God mandated rape. Maybe Absalom can tell us.
Have you ever had a good talk with god, by way of a donkey's mouth? Balaam supposedly did.
@GermanChocolateCake Where exactly does God mandate rape? I've heard people like you say it but they can never show me the verse where he actually does it. And yes 90% of the time someone is quoting an OT verse and trying to apply it today to try and bash Christianity they are quoting it out of its historical/cultural/biblical context.
@Drunkenprophet23 God told Moses to take the virgin daughters of their enemies and rape them. God said that was a reward. He also was fine with Abraham raping and impregnating Hagar, one of his wife's young maids. Not to mention that God, in all normal senses of the word, raped Mary, who was awaiting marriage at the time, so that's the NT reference. And do you know what one of the favorite pastimes of the crusaders was?
@tikifreakazoid Yeah um VERSES would be nice. God never told Moses to let the men rape the virgin daughters. Abraham did not rape Hagar and it wasn't what God wanted for him to even have sex with her. God told Abraham his wife would give him a child, Abraham and Sarah didn't believe him. God didn't rape Mary either, it was a VIRGIN birth... duh. Crusades were a different story. That's not God, that's just people doing something in God’s name, which does not mean God was behind it.
"This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."
And what does one do with hundreds of virgins after a genocidal pillage? Make them wash the dishes? Have them do the laundry?
Oh, you want Moses to have a turn, too? Well, go check out Numbers 31:7-18. They killed all the men, captured the women and children, burned down all Midianite cities, and
@UnderlordZ You are assuming the men raped the virgins and maybe they did, but the point is God didn't tell them to do it. Rape has always been forbidden in the bible, but it’s full of people disobeying God’s rules. That’s not God’s fault.
@Drunkenprophet23 "You are assuming the men raped the virgins and maybe they did..."
What else ARE they going to do with hundreds, possibly THOUSANDS of virgins? Deuteronomy 20:14 says to "enjoy the spoils of your enemy that God has given to you", the spoils being women, children, and livestock.
"That's not God's fault."
Then your god is either not all-powerful, or a malevolent sack of shit that does not deserve worship from ANYONE.
@UnderlordZ "What else are they going to do with them?" Integrate them into society. Take them as wives. It doesn't say they raped them. And as for your comment about it not being God's fault, no, it doesn't mean either of those things. If you really think it Gods job to force everyone to follow his will maybe you should ask yourself how many times he should have done so in your life.
@Drunkenprophet23 Societal integration is too modern for the bible, and even if they did, that doesn't excuse GENOCIDE! They mercilessly slaughtered every male and non-virgin female in DOZENS of civilzations, destroyed the cities, and explicitally kept the virgin girls FOR THEMSELVES. On top of that, women were viewed as PROPERTY that far back; even if they were "integrated into society", it would be as what essentially amounts to SEX SLAVES!
@UnderlordZ Those things may have happened but that's not the law in the bible. The bible is very specific that sex is only to occur in a marriage. It didn't always happen that way but, again, not Gods fault. And to answer your question yes it is a choice. Free will doesn't mean no consequences.
@Drunkenprophet23 "The bible is very specific that sex is only to occur in a marriage."
Where? Where does the bible say that? Book, chapter, verse. Back it up.
"...not God's fault."
So you're saying that people, through the use of the very 'free will' that according to you was GIVEN to them by your god, are more powerful than your god. So you're blaspheming, saying that god is inferior to man; by your own rules, you now DESERVE to got hell and be tortured FOREVER!
"If you really think it Gods job to force everyone to follow his will ..."
Ah, so now we're on to the "free will" argument. Tell me, if I have a gun to your head and tell you to give me everything you own or I shoot you dead, is that a choice? Is it a 'choice' to pay taxes of the government can imprison you for years at a time if you "choose" not to? Both answers are, of course, no; the same as it is for a 'choice' of "worship me without question, or you DESERVE to be TORTURED FOREVER!"
@Drunkenprophet23 Oh they're going to "integrate" them alright. What exactly would it mean to "integrate the virgins" in the context of this story. It's reading comprehension 101 stuff. I have to think that you know better and are arguing like a lawyer and not because you really can't comprehend it.
Actually, just the idea that they are commanded to check all the women is bad enough. Then that they are to kill the ones who have "known a man" is truly evil. But the "integrating" is insulting.
"Why have you let all the women live?" [Moses] demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
You see the end there? Kill everyone EXCEPT THE VIRGINS
@Drunkenprophet23 2 Samuel 12:11-12, want some of the context you so blithely invoke? Fine:
David killed Uriah the Hittite and took Uriah's wife as his won. This pissed god off "because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife". So god says he will take David's wives right before his eyes and give them to his neighbor (his son Absalom) to "lie with" (in the biblical sense) in front of everyone. Note how the wives are never given a choice in the matter.
12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12:12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
In 12:14-18 he also kills David's (and Uriah's wife Bathsheba's) son because killing Uriah had given people an excuse to blaspheme.
@GermanChocolateCake Well, firstly, I appreciate that you have given the actual quoteths. But it seems that this is not specifically punishment for sex outside of marriage. There's a bit more going on here that's angering thine lord. Actually, it is forcing sex outside of marriage as the punishment, isn't it? If you were not already predisposed to be against sex out of marriage, I don't think it would be the moral of this happy little tale.
Iv'e heard that jazz before. "Non-believers just can't understand god or the scriptures". In that notion, how would a non believer ever come to know god? That's half the point of the scriptures, is it not?
there is a vidio of a guy in africa that came back to life after being dead for three day and he went to heaven and then to hell the video is on youtube you need to see this
Why do you believe that video? Many says they went on spaceships being examined by aliens. They even have scars. This doesnt mean they really met aliens.
@MrBloodwash777 and this wonderful journey beyond death was performed under scientific conditions and witnessed by doctors? did the guy bring back proof of said heaven & hell?.
Or did the whole event happen in a remote location far from modern medicine and the people who "witnessed" it cannot perform basic first aid procedures like checking for a pulse!!!
@PrivateJoker17 Yes I put "proved" instead of "prove" and misspelt "exist". Its a simple spelling mistake, it happens, you know what I'm saying all the same. Theres no need to pick out that tiny flaw and insult me over it
@PrivateJoker17 Oh I see. You don't have the brain compactly to argue against me so you decide to insult me instead? Not everyone uses "Grammatically correct English" when typing on line and how did you work out I spelt almost everything wrong? Seen as it has 19 thumbs up and a reply people clearly understand it.
@PrivateJoker17 Let me try. Maybe what he (nightlord) should have said was "theists haven't yet provided any good 'verifiably accurate and positively indicative' proof of a gods existence, and their logical arguments are also very specious." I think that would be clear enough to be understood, and nothing else should incite your wrath from that statement (unless you disagree with the position.)
No more arguments about petty grammar since personally I prefer "spelled" over "spelt." =)
@TheDeadlyGamesman If 'Nightlord' was an intelligent perso this would be just fine. Also 'spelled' is the American version, it's 'spelt' here in Australia haha
@PrivateJoker17 Well my CanOD shows "spelled or spelt", and as much as I love the British spelling, spelt seems too juvenile (for me.) Plus, regardless of how you view him, I've seen way worse grammar on here and I've seen people who just honestly can't form a coherent thought at all. Just keep it civil. =)
@TheDeadlyGamesman 'Spelt' is too juvenile? How, it's just a way of spelling a word, in certain countries it is the correct way. Also, it's hard to be civil when dealing with such extreme ignorance.
@PrivateJoker17 Well a better wording would have been slangy, it seems slangy to me. But it's only my preference and opinion, and I recognize elsewhere in the world, the British variant is preferred over the U.S. preference.
@TheDeadlyGamesman Haha okay, but it's not 'slangy' it's just the correct way of spelling it in this region, another example is we spell 'colour' with a 'U'.
Why are you upset about Christians believing that you're going to go to hell if you don't believe in it?
Using his exact same example. If he believed in a God that was going to punish all people with blond hair it wouldn't bother me in the least. I'm not blond, but I don't believe.
This tells me that they have doubt in their atheism. Because if they didn't doubt it. there would be no problem.
It's not about people believing we're going to hell. If that's ALL it was, you're right, we wouldn't care. Rather, it's the fact that xians feel we DESERVE to go to hell. Further, they have the social and legal power to hurt others BASED on that belief.
Massacre of Native Americans, witch burnings, slavery, oppression of women, persecution of gays, on and on... yes, we very MUCH have cause for concern over these beliefs.
OK... Maybe you're right. I may not understand your belief system. However, you don't understand the Christian belief system.
They don't believe that you deserve to go to hell. They believe that you deserve to be saved. If they believed that you deserved to go to hell they wouldn't bother trying to convert you. You should take it as a huge compliment.
@dex1391 What the fuck difference does it make? If someone is not saved and that person is damned to hell, since they weren't "saved" they deserve to go to hell. That's the WHOLE reason ppl are out there proselytizing; to save you soul from an eternity of hellfire.
So of course we don't take this as a compliment. No more than Christians would take it as a compliment if I tried to "save" them from their fate of being thrown into a pile of dog shit for eternity. The implications are still there.
@dex1391 Well I guess we can thank Joe hell doesn't exist. At least no one has been able to show that it really does. Neither does heaven.
The reason I'm a nonbeliever is because I see no compelling evidence for the existence of a god. I'm still waiting for people to "save" me with the evidence, but lo and behold, none have done so yet.
I'm not. I'm beyond tired of people flaunting their religions and trying to shove them down my throat. The sad thing is, I know I'm going to have to put up with it all my life. : (
"I'm still waiting for people to 'save' me with the evidence."
The point was evidence, because if they had any and could produce it, and if it were compelling enough, than I could be changed of my opinions. Also it was kind of a jokey remark.
If you really want some fun, watch some of his favourited videos.
You're on your own. I've seen no compelling evidence that God doesn't exist. I guess if you want to "convert" me to atheism you've got your work cut out for you.
@dex1391 I don't want to convert you to anything. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim to prove it, and I make no claims. But if you want compelling evidence god doesn't exist I suggest you consider the lack of evidence for its existence.
Surely if something doesn't exist the only possible evidence we could have for it's inexistence would be a lack of evidence for it's existence. If you think otherwise, give evidence for the inexistence for myriad of things you consider unreal.
That's fine. I'm elated that you don't want to convert me. I'm glad that you have faith in your atheism. But of course you have the burden of proof in your atheism.
I'm glad that you have blind faith in your beliefs but again they are yours and yours alone.
It's easy to spew your bullshit since you simply deny anything that contradicts your claims. But since you don't know what atheism is, let me explain it.
Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god or gods. It is the rejection of claims made by theists and does not claim one way or another whether god exists or not, that's what gnosticism and agnosticism are for. And I happen to be an agnostic atheist in that I won't claim a god doesn't or couldn't exist. I see no evidence to believe one does.
@dex1391 You should also just do some research before saying stupid things.
Exodus 21:20-21 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."
That's from the NIV, and of course slavery doesn't appear; they used other words like servant. I'm sure it wasn't at their own volition.
Instead of ad hominem attacks shouldn't you just do your research?
Exodus 21:20-21 (King James Version) 20And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. 21Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
Wow look at that. If you do a little historical research you see the difference.
@dex1391 Ad hominem is by definition "appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect." I didn't say you were stupid, I said what you said was stupid because it was ignorantly stated. It's still slavery, whether it's called slavery or not, and that's not the only example of slavery in the bible.
Leviticus 25:44-46 details how Israelites were allowed to buy slaves and hand them down as inheritance.
It was an ad hominem.. Don't attempt to be clever. It's not working. It's not slavery. There's a big difference between slave and servant. If you had any type of religious education you'd understand that. You are wrong.
You're free to your beliefs but you simply don't understand the bible or Christianity. I've met many individuals like you.
@dex1391 Actually bondmen, which is used to describe the "servants" is defined as a slave. And this is why the NIV is more useful than King James, because it uses formal English, and not Elizabethan Englisheth. :p
And since these people were considered property, they fit the perfect qualifications of being a slave.
You are incorrect. The term simply doesn't exist. You really need to learn a little of the history of the time because you really don't have the education to back up your claims.
Bondman, or bond servant, which the bible uses means slave. Maybe your etymology education isn't good, but you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. It comes from the Middle English word bonde, which means serf.
So if you're done acting like an egotistical dickhead, you'll be able to figure out it's slavery. This probably never resulted by their own volition and they did not get paid for being a "servant." Don't try acting like a scholar when you don't know shit about shit.
No you haven't, because it's right there. I've shown you the etymology of the word bondman, referenced examples in the bible where they talk about how the bondmen or bondmaids should be inheritance for their children, and all you do is plug your ears and scream "la la la la la. . ."
So, by my definition, it's being an egotistical dickhead to think you're right, that you will always be right, and to continue to think such things in spite of obvious biblical passages showing that you're wrong.
Well you seem to have many things confused. Because it doesn't matter where I got the information from, because it's only representing EXACTLY what is stated in your bible.
Now you're going to be very shocked but I agree with you in that I don't like talking about the bible because I'm not super familiar with the whole thing, just the "good" parts I was told in church. But it's still there, and there are plenty of more informed experts who would attest to that.
What are you talking about? Have you looked at the examples I listed? Or do you still not understand the meaning of bondman?
I've already stated I make no claim either way on the existence of a god. Yet you continue to lie and say I believe no god exists. If a god exists, I think there should be sufficient evidence for it. I don't believe this evidence has been presented yet, by anyone. If anyone would like to, I invite them to.
But since you find it so funny that feel you don't have to actually refute anything, call the Atheist Experience (the website in the link to the side of the video with that info) and speak to Matt Dillahunty about it. He's someone who has studied the bible, and he was even going to go to seminary.
Put your money where your mouth is and call the show for a debate. Because I'll bet you don't have the cojones to actually do that. But we'll see. Will you do it?
Again, you simply snicker and arrogantly state that others have no knowledge and that you have more knowledge than others. I'm willing to bet this former fundamentalist Christian for over 30 years knows more about the bible than you.
Which is why the challenge is still on the table. If you chicken out however, you forfeit and I win. Your proclaimed 30 years of knowledge from studying the bible and your ego are afraid of debating someone else because you know you will lose.
Well it looks like I win. Not only do you lie and continue to do so despite being shown to be wrong and misstating things, you won't take up the offer. So much for 30+ years of studying the bible or defending why you believe as stated in 1 Peter 3:15.
Hey I'm open to different ideas. If only you were too. Maybe you'd have taken the challenge. Perhaps another time. . .
I've tried being very amiable in general throughout this exchange here. Yet you continue to throw words in my mouth. Not once have I stated that I hate religion, let alone religious people. And I don't hate religion or religious people, but you will probably disregard this and continue lying by stating that I do.
Now before you begin making any other statements about me that you have absolutely no clue of, I'm going to ask you to quit making up false attributes of me from your imagination.
With that said, I would hate to start blocking users from my channel but you're starting to push the limit.
You make false assertions, you have hypocritically called me a bigot whereas you are the only one who has demonstrated those qualities, and you have an annoying habit of not replying to contentions made by others.
You simply shrug off arguments and tell people they're just plain out wrong. And this is starting to annoy me because your claims are not sacrosanct, no here especially.
Yeah I'm a Christian.
godhatesfags94 20 hours ago
Matt, you're just too damn rational =)
danomanno747 3 weeks ago
"I don't necessarily mean to be insulting to everybody.." Don't feel bad about it Matt! You are the one who convinced me to drop my last lingering supernatural beliefs and I am thankful for it. Don't apologize for speaking the truth as sincerely as you are able to. When someone has the courage to do that, it can help so many people.
GuacamoleKun 2 months ago
-You can’t understand Christianity because you’re not a Christen.
=Then you can’t understand atheism for the same reason.
-The Old Testament isn’t relevant any more.
=So homosexuals won’t be burned forever and neither will you if you ever ate shellfish or wore polyester, trimmed your beard or ate pork? Dose that also mean the 10 commandments aren’t reliant anymore, along with the creation story the fall of man and need for Jesus to die and be resurrected in the first place?
darkblood626 2 months ago 2
It wouldn't matter if christians actually read the bible. They are too dense to recognize any issues or contradictions. Well I say they like its all of them. I meant to say 99 our a 100.
baxtar1963 4 months ago
@baxtar1963 I de-converted when Harold Camping came out with his crazy BS. Then I decided I HAD to do my duty as a christian and read the bible for myself objectively to make sure it makes sense. Because I was tired of listening to other people throw out verses and I didn't know them myself. I'm just saying.. they key may just be to challenge them to read it critically. Which yes I know that sounds impossible because it requires believing it on reason not faith... which is why I am now atheist.
chicarbiomed 3 months ago
I was told recently by a Christian that God's morality when it came to stoning and children and all that can be ignored because in the Old Testament, Jesus had not yet "sacrificed" himself. Now that Jesus has done so, punishments like those don't have to be carried out because Jesus took those God-given punishments on himself. Thoughts?
DantehMan 5 months ago
@DantehMan Logical fallacy again, according to that stupid book we are all sinned because of our ancestors' fault which is clearly a set up by God himself, Jesus in this case sacrificed to himself to complete this false circle.
xiequfei 5 months ago
@DantehMan My thoughts are if they disregard stoning in the old testament and other things they need to loose the old testament.
SNAKESOAP117 4 months ago
@SNAKESOAP117 Right, but their reasoning wasn't that they were disregarding the Old Testament, it's that Jesus's "sacrifice" made it so we don't have to suffer those punishments when we do what the Old Testament says we shouldn't. So I'm thinking, what then from the Old Testament to we follow and what do we disregard? And more importantly, how come I've NEVER heard about this before?
DantehMan 4 months ago
@DantehMan They usually disregard things in the old testament when it doesn't sound loving and nice. If you say "Oh that's the old testament Jesus died so it would change." Then fine, you can no longer persecute gays.
SNAKESOAP117 4 months ago
@SNAKESOAP117 Right. I suppose then I should come up with a list of things that were said to be done in the Old Testament and should no longer be done because of Jesus's sacrifice. Thanks bud!
DantehMan 4 months ago
@DantehMan No problem.
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RayTech70 6 months ago
@RayTech70 I'm still trying to figure out the connection between atheists and Hippocrates -- the Hippocratic oath, perhaps?
I guessed I missed the updated second edition of the Bible -- Was 'thou shalt not judge or persecute those who have different beliefs, sexual orientation, or any other opinions different from your own' added?
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@TheDeadlyGamesman No, but there's the "What you do unto the least among you, you do unto me" and (paraphrased) "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" in there.
therealfriday13th 3 months ago
@RayTech70 Let's just assume for a minute God is real and created the universe and all the physical laws that govern it. This would mean the guy is super damn smart. As a really super smart guy I think he could tell that there isn't anything wrong with being gay because it doesn't harm anyone. As long as you are safe, aware of diseases and etc. no one is going to get hurt. So I'm betting this God who hates gays is something you've imagined up.
zippythewildone 6 months ago
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RayTech70 6 months ago
@RayTech70 Those instructions have multiple errors in regards to genetics, astronomy, geology, and biology. So, if they are wrong about most of the sorts of things I learned in elementary school it's probably wrong about God too.
zippythewildone 6 months ago 2
@RayTech70 If yahweh declares that he and his word are "unchanging", and you believe he is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being, then NO, you don't get to go changing around him or his words, and neither does he, unless he is a liar -- and if he is a liar, then why believe anything he says?
Your kind are the hipocrites, always trying to bend and change the "unchanging" word of your god. I'll not even bother mentioning how scatterbrained and nonsensical the rest of your comment was.
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RayTech70 6 months ago
@RayTech70 You are childish.
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When you accept magical thinking as a baseline for your view on reality (god goggles) then you are especially susceptible to any lie. Faith is gullibility and ignorance void of scientific evidence and analytical thinking. Think for your self or some one will do it for you, to your peril and their benefit. Unfortunately this is not possible for some. To those I give my condolences.
With information so easily available, being ignorant today is by choice.
scotttebben 6 months ago 2
Deism inspires CREATIVE genius like no other belief system in the world. Our founding fathers were deists and there was no lack of brain power amongst any of them.
imaginativelads 7 months ago
Organized religion is a contrivance based on the imaginative speculation of ancient people who have eaten far too many of those tasty wild mushrooms. I for one believe in a divine being not because I have proof, but because the miracle of anything existing at all is sufficient evidence for me to believe. God, for lack of a better word, has gifted man the ability to reason and to express his divinity by giving voice to the natural world in all it's beauty and ugliness.
imaginativelads 7 months ago
@imaginativelads but isn't "but because the miracle of anything existing at all is sufficient evidence for me to believe"
" imaginative speculation "
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sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@EmbraceDorkhood Of course micro-evolution is a fact. That is obvious. Just like the fact that there must be a Creator. Wake-up!
thechessstick 7 months ago
Do yourselves a favor and watch a few Wilder-Smith and or Ron Wyatt videos. Wake up you simpletons.
thechessstick 8 months ago
@thechessstick How about you do yourself a favour & stop being a sheep to the invisible sky-daddy who only keeps you around so that you worship him & whatever he does...let's say God DOES exist; he's proud of himself that he's warped your puny little mind into believing he exists & to ignore any proof that refutes his existance...do some simple research & you'll learn Lucifer, the "evil" devil was the Demon who represented the Sin of Pride...proud God, demon of pride, do the math, dipstick
Tarynus 8 months ago
@Tarynus Wow, are you an indoctrinated one. You are what we now call an evolutard. Your ability to think and or reason has been stopped due to your religious indoctrination. And what's worse is that it is a government imposed religion. Sad...
thechessstick 8 months ago
@thechessstick Trust me, Cheesy, I'm as far from religious as you can get...Seven Deadly Sins, I've "committed" them all & I'm still here...to me, that's proof enough that your imaginary sky-daddy is just that: IMAGINARY
Besides, I think I saw some PRIDE in that reply of yours...I'll say it again; demon representing the Sin of Pride, proud God...sounds pretty suspicious to me, almost like ol' Luci's tricked you sheepies into believing what he wants you to this whole time
Tarynus 8 months ago
@Tarynus Actually you are as religious as one can get. You are an atheist and what's more, you are an evolutionist. You belong to two of the stupidest religions ever conceived. Sad....
thechessstick 8 months ago
@thechessstick You obviously don't know squat about either term; Atheism is LACK of belief in a supernatural being or force controlling the universe & Evolutionist is a term used by Theists to make out that acknoledgement of evolution throughout the billions of years it has existed is actually a religion; meaning, you can be an Atheist & not trust in evolution, just like you can trust in evolution & be a Theist
Try & educate yourself before jumping to stupid conclusions such as those next time
Tarynus 8 months ago
@Tarynus Again you show your ignorance. Both atheism and evolution are beliefs and religious ones at that. Wake up and don't be such a cowardly wimp of an atheistic evolutard.
thechessstick 8 months ago
@thechessstick You are so deluded, it's more than obvious you're not going to be convinced by proof that's both easily available & already confirmed to be true
I hope you'll see sense one day, but I can already tell that's as likely as your imaginary sky-daddy picking me up & throwing me into the sun
Evolution obviously stopped when it got to such a braindead toad such as yourself, here's to your less-than-human subspecies being the last leaf on your branch of the Tree of Life
Tarynus 8 months ago
@thechessstick For fuck's sake! Can you creationists stop saying "atheism and evolution are religions"? How is atheism a religion? It's the exact opposite of a religion, there is no atheist Holy book, there's no atheist doctrine telling us how to live our lives. Atheism is MERELY the lack of a belief in God, nothing else. You religious people are getting so annoying and you really need to go away.
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@thechessstick How exactly can evolution be a religion? There are plenty of Christians who believe in evolution, does that mean they have two religions? Evolutionism and Christianity?
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@thechessstick Oh...my...days. You're into all that Ron Wyatt crap? You really are the dumbest little fuck ever.
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@JohnnyKubark You really should try to get out of that government imposed box that you are in. Do a little study on "The Negro Project" which was headed by Margaret Sanger. You are just a simple pawn and you don't even know it.
thechessstick 7 months ago
@thechessstick Oh please, spare me this whole little preachy thing where you pretend to understand the ways of the world. You sound like a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who thinks he's figured the whole world out. You're like those idiots who say "the Freemasons are controlling your mind, man!". Do you actually believe that evolution is a big, scary conspiracy theory that has been happening for 150 years? Are the scary scientists controlling our minds with that evil science stuff?!
Lol, STFU.
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@JohnnyKubark Nothing scary about evolution. It is just a simple lie for simple minds. What is bullsh*t is that tax dollars support its teaching. Oh, and by the way, science and evolution have nothing in common. The problem is is that you evolutionists are too damn stupid to understand that.
thechessstick 7 months ago
@thechessstick Oh right, evolution is stupid, but talking snakes & Jewish zombies makes total sense, right? Yeah, I'd much rather believe in a vicious and myopic God clapping his massive hands and then 2 people just *exploding* into existence. Yeah, there's nothing stupid about virgin births and using magic to "stop the sun".
Evolution must be some big conspiracy! The ENTIRE scientific community has been in on it for 150 years and EVERY single scientist has managed to keep it a secret, right?
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@thechessstick And you think Kent Hovind and Ben Stein make good arguments?!? No wonder!!! You are beyond all hope if you think Hovind and Stein are clever...Oh my word 0_o
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@JohnnyKubark I never said that Hovind and Stein are clever. I do think that they have some wisdom. That is something that atheist are totally devoid of.
thechessstick 7 months ago
@thechessstick Hovind and Stein are just nut-job conspiracy theorists. They espouse tin-foil hat urban myths. They are a joke. Why do you listen to people like Hovind and Stein? Why don't you actually observe the REAL scientific evidence, instead of listening to creationist conspiracy theorists on the internet?
Kent Hovind, Ron Wyatt and Ben Stein are NOT reliable sources.
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@JohnnyKubark Why don't you wake up. Do a little independent research. Thou mayest overcome. I used to be an evolutionist.
thechessstick 7 months ago
@thechessstick You use to be an "evolutionist", until u started to listen to retarded creationist conspiracy theorists on the internet. Why do u pay these conspiracy theorists any credence?
You want me to do a little "independent research"? But I've been listening to creationist's claims for years and they all turn out to be nothing more than pathetic internet bullshit (just like UFOs and 9/11 Truthers).
Come on, blow my mind - give me some "creation science" that I haven't heard before.
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@JohnnyKubark You obviously haven't read any A. E. Wilder-Smith books. Start there. Also, read Robert Dick Wilson's "A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament". I know like anything else you will google a few things about these guys and think you know something. seriously do some study.
thechessstick 7 months ago
@thechessstick Wilder-Smith? Oh, you're into all that "humans and dinosaurs lived together" shit? There are even CREATIONIST sites that debunk that stupid hoax with human and dinosaur footprints together in the same strata. See, again with the conspiracy theories. I'm not asking for stupid hoaxes, I'm asking for real science. Give me some real evidence (not more conspiracy theories).
"A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament" - is that the same Old Testament that calls for genocide?
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@JohnnyKubark Wow, you believe everything that has been shoveled into your head by at the government indoctrination centers don't you? Stand up and be a man for a change and do some independent research.
thechessstick 7 months ago
@thechessstick How many times do I have to say this; I've done "the research". I know what claims creationist make, I've heard the so-called "creationist proof" and it turns out to be a load of crap. Creationists just have terrible conspiracy theory-type claims that get circulated via the internet. Creationist assertions don't pass the necessary requirements that scientific theories must pass.
And the Old Testament does call for genocide, check out Deuteronomy 20.
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@JohnnyKubark You're right, of course, revealed religion i s a crock, there is no merit to it. That's why I'm a deist, I believe in a creator out of TRUE faith, and not because some book written by a flawed creature (man) tells me too. I also realize that doubt is what keeps people sane, and grounded in their humanity. Unfortunately people who believe in revealed religion do not care about certain facts like evolution and never will, it is almost pointless to talk to them.
imaginativelads 6 months ago
@thechessstick "Nothing scary about evolution. It is just a simple lie for simple minds."
Right, because speciation and genetic variation through natural selection is so much simpler than "sky-daddy said it and then it happened."
grow the fuck up.
AnonyMOUSE1177 7 months ago
@AnonyMOUSE1177 God created the kinds and they reproduce after their kind. Don't be so simple-minded as to be fooled simple because speciation and variation happens. Stand up and think for yourself like a man should for change.
thechessstick 7 months ago
@thechessstick You're telling me to think for myself when all you're doing is repeating an ancient idea that makes you feel good because people who you trust told you it was real.
i think you should take some of your own advice.
AnonyMOUSE1177 7 months ago 9
@AnonyMOUSE1177 Actually, instead of just taking people's word for things I did the work myself to see wht evidence is really out there. You should, too. Wake up and be a man.
thechessstick 7 months ago
@thechessstick What's with all this be a man stuff? Do you secretly feel that you are somehow an inadequate specimen of a man and then project that attitude during arguments? How about you actually respond with this so called "evidence" instead of hurling insults that reveal your own insecurities?
AnonyMOUSE1177 7 months ago
@AnonyMOUSE1177 Exactly, why is he saying "be a man"? Why is our masculinity coming into question? I have a penis and testicles, therefore I'm a man, my opinion on science and religion won't change the fact that I'm a man.
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
@thechessstick You think you're being some kind of iconoclast, but you're just believing retarded creationist rumours that Kent Hovind espouses. Stop thinking that you've discovered some profound truth and that you just have to educate us silly little "evolutionists".
JohnnyKubark 7 months ago
oh seriously matt, the head leader of the human genome project is NOT AT ALL evangelical, thats bullshit. You need to understand that people can have beliefs, and still dont be evangelical.
gulbirk 8 months ago
Jeff Dee reminds me of Conan O'Brien.
guyfromirmo 10 months ago
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Dr. Etheridge, famous fossilologist of the British Museum, one of the highest authorities in the world, said:--"Nine-tenths of the talk of evolutionists is sheer nonsense, not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum, there is not a particle of evidence of the transmutation of species.
thechessstick 1 year ago
@thechessstick "Dr. Etheridge, famous fossilologist of the British Museum"
You're actually attempting to use the thinking of a VICTORIAN ERA scientist, 20 years before the piltdown man hoax, as a relevant quote about the current state of scientific evidence? Before Lucy? Before DNA? REALLY?????
moopism 8 months ago
@thechessstick P.S. I notice you're a Kent Hovind fan as well. That alone should disqualify anything you've got to say about science as unworthy of the time it took to express it.
moopism 8 months ago
and the same Christians that disregard the old testament also lean on it when they're confronted with the topic of homosexuality so they have an excuse to be homophobic.
mobman47 1 year ago
religions spread through warfare, gaining territories and then setting up systems for indoctrinating children. that's it. people don't convert in any great numbers. 1% of christians convert to christianity after childhood and the ones who do are in prison or are recovering addicts.
FatherofMan25 1 year ago
I can't believe that bald guy studied once to become a minister. He possesses so much ignorance about the meaning of The New Testament and Old Testaments. The Old Testament this was written before Jesus came to Earth. God needed a way to enforce His laws on mankind. Even though some of His actions sound cruel when you read The Old Testament, it was necessary to ensure His will on Earth. After Jesus, this was no longer necessary because Christ, living in His believers, now accomplish this.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 Nice story, but it still don't beat The Lord of The Rings. ^____^
jonea16 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 So stoning people to death for wearing clothes of two different fabrics was necessary to ensure God's will on Earth?? C'mon, you gotta be kidding me.
atheistram 1 year ago
@atheistram Yeah, I know. And, I thought religion was supposed to be sweet and cuddly. You know, that's the reason we "dreamed" up Heaven. So we could feel all warm and cuddly inside. You atheists can't have it both ways. First, you say we dreamed up religion to make us feel better then you say look at this cruel God you created...how could you love such a beast? So, let me ask you. Did us Christians "create" a nice God or a mean God?
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 You made a mean God, who want people to act nice on certain occasions, so that they can get into his awesome land of horrible. That's about it. Because when you think about it heaven sounds awful, or like a paradox. Heaven is "perfect", but if it were perfect then only perfect people would be there, and since everybody is perfect nobody is different, which sounds horrible. I am glad that there is no heaven, since it sounds awful, like torture.
gangster301 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 The Jews were responsible for creating the mean God (although the Christians quickly adopted this mean God). The Christians were responsible for creating the "nice" God. Although Jesus wasn't all that nice considering with him the concept of hell was created.
atheistram 1 year ago
"The god of the gaps" Science is slowly filling those gaps.
FirebirdKnight 1 year ago
How to make a religion:
1. Get a holy text: RHIGHRBBI
2. Get holy person, and make him/her a priest/prophet: Yourself =D
3. Use circular logic to protect religion: Only members of the religion can understand the holy text, and you need to understand the holy text to be a member of the religion.
4. Lure stupid and desperate people in.
gangster301 1 year ago
@gangster301 Your steps to a religion are so simple. Why haven't there been more of them if they're so easy to create? And, don't give me that "there are tons of religions" BS. 99.9% of all the religions in history are believed by .00000000000001% of the worlds population. If it was as simple as you state, there would be hundreds and hundreds of religions that are believed by a "reasonable" amount of people. In fact, why don't you try to create one right now? See how far it gets.
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 You didn't pay attention to the vital fourth point: "Lure stupid and desperate people in". It's hard to lure people in by yourself! However, if you already have a lot of the victim's contacts already in your religion it's a lot easier! Therefore large religions grow faster and easier than small ones, and when people join religions they often join the biggest ones in their area. Though most people are forced into their religion from birth.
gangster301 1 year ago
@gangster301 "forced into their religion from birth"? You mean, like Matt?
YesYou123333 1 year ago
@YesYou123333 Yes, like Matt. He understood the stupidity of the religion, though.
gangster301 1 year ago
it really sounds like something yogi berra would have said.
"you cant understand it until you get it"
destin325 1 year ago
It never ceases to amaze me when christians pawn things off as old testament irrelevance when they cling to a body of commandments set forth IN the old testament, and blatantly ignore a wealth of morally questionable acts performed by the very same god of BOTH testaments. So what if the new testament reformed god's expectations of man? It doesn't reform a damn thing about the cruelty demonstrated time and again by that very same god, nor does it justify them, nor erase them from the book.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
I would like to see Dillahunty do his magic tricks!
MIGS1989 1 year ago
Deuteronomy 28:58 - "You must keep ALL the commandments and statutes contained in this book, or I will bring upon you horrible sufferings". Yet, many christians think that the NT makes all these things obsolete, yet they will say that god is unchanging, and Jesus is the same god as Yawheh. Bullshit. It's an excuse.
SkepticsUniverse2 1 year ago 2
i have no respect for a beleif that i am going to be tortured forever because god puts me their and i definitely cant respect someone who woships this god, its unexcusable
blazereef 1 year ago 2
f-a-v-o-r-i-t-e.
thelivingfire 1 year ago
I have Jeff's shirt. or at least one with the same pic on front. mine is from Royal Tyrell museum in Drumheller Alberta
Vercingetorix422 1 year ago
Matt (Being a former Christian who almost went to seminary) should know that the Christian argument is not "Oh that was the Old Testament" it's that those were laws meant for a specific people at a specific time when things were very different than they are now. It is far more complicated than he is presenting it. Shame on him. He’s acting like a creationist that should know better.
Drunkenprophet23 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23
Does it matter that it is more complicated? Evolution and the many ways it acts is quite complicated, yet for clear reasons both can be summed in a few sentences. This is especially true when those complications are by far not the same across the board among Christians and he has a TV show to run.
Harizl 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 Yeah, like the ten commandments which are only in the OT.
69soulstone 1 year ago
@69soulstone @69soulstone First of all there's more than ten. The "ten commandments" is a modern term not used in OT times or NT times. Second, specific laws that people like to quote (out of context) to bash Christianity do not apply today. That's clear from the NT. But that doesn't mean we can’t learn from the OT or apply the universal truths contained in it. Just because some things in the OT are out dated and do not apply to this culture doesn't mean it should be totally disregarded.
Drunkenprophet23 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 Ah the old "out of context" argument. I can't accurately count the number of scriptures I've been accused of quoting "out of context" only to demonstrate that not only did I read them in context, but that I knew the body of the text better than those making the claim.
I wonder how Kind David's wives felt about the "correct context" of God mandated rape. Maybe Absalom can tell us.
Have you ever had a good talk with god, by way of a donkey's mouth? Balaam supposedly did.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake Where exactly does God mandate rape? I've heard people like you say it but they can never show me the verse where he actually does it. And yes 90% of the time someone is quoting an OT verse and trying to apply it today to try and bash Christianity they are quoting it out of its historical/cultural/biblical context.
Drunkenprophet23 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 God told Moses to take the virgin daughters of their enemies and rape them. God said that was a reward. He also was fine with Abraham raping and impregnating Hagar, one of his wife's young maids. Not to mention that God, in all normal senses of the word, raped Mary, who was awaiting marriage at the time, so that's the NT reference. And do you know what one of the favorite pastimes of the crusaders was?
tikifreakazoid 1 year ago
@tikifreakazoid Yeah um VERSES would be nice. God never told Moses to let the men rape the virgin daughters. Abraham did not rape Hagar and it wasn't what God wanted for him to even have sex with her. God told Abraham his wife would give him a child, Abraham and Sarah didn't believe him. God didn't rape Mary either, it was a VIRGIN birth... duh. Crusades were a different story. That's not God, that's just people doing something in God’s name, which does not mean God was behind it.
Drunkenprophet23 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 Judges 21:10-24 features pillage, murder, and rape at Jabesh-gilead.
"This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."
And what does one do with hundreds of virgins after a genocidal pillage? Make them wash the dishes? Have them do the laundry?
Oh, you want Moses to have a turn, too? Well, go check out Numbers 31:7-18. They killed all the men, captured the women and children, burned down all Midianite cities, and
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@UnderlordZ You are assuming the men raped the virgins and maybe they did, but the point is God didn't tell them to do it. Rape has always been forbidden in the bible, but it’s full of people disobeying God’s rules. That’s not God’s fault.
Drunkenprophet23 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 "You are assuming the men raped the virgins and maybe they did..."
What else ARE they going to do with hundreds, possibly THOUSANDS of virgins? Deuteronomy 20:14 says to "enjoy the spoils of your enemy that God has given to you", the spoils being women, children, and livestock.
"That's not God's fault."
Then your god is either not all-powerful, or a malevolent sack of shit that does not deserve worship from ANYONE.
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@UnderlordZ "What else are they going to do with them?" Integrate them into society. Take them as wives. It doesn't say they raped them. And as for your comment about it not being God's fault, no, it doesn't mean either of those things. If you really think it Gods job to force everyone to follow his will maybe you should ask yourself how many times he should have done so in your life.
Drunkenprophet23 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 Societal integration is too modern for the bible, and even if they did, that doesn't excuse GENOCIDE! They mercilessly slaughtered every male and non-virgin female in DOZENS of civilzations, destroyed the cities, and explicitally kept the virgin girls FOR THEMSELVES. On top of that, women were viewed as PROPERTY that far back; even if they were "integrated into society", it would be as what essentially amounts to SEX SLAVES!
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@UnderlordZ Those things may have happened but that's not the law in the bible. The bible is very specific that sex is only to occur in a marriage. It didn't always happen that way but, again, not Gods fault. And to answer your question yes it is a choice. Free will doesn't mean no consequences.
Drunkenprophet23 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 "The bible is very specific that sex is only to occur in a marriage."
Where? Where does the bible say that? Book, chapter, verse. Back it up.
"...not God's fault."
So you're saying that people, through the use of the very 'free will' that according to you was GIVEN to them by your god, are more powerful than your god. So you're blaspheming, saying that god is inferior to man; by your own rules, you now DESERVE to got hell and be tortured FOREVER!
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
"If you really think it Gods job to force everyone to follow his will ..."
Ah, so now we're on to the "free will" argument. Tell me, if I have a gun to your head and tell you to give me everything you own or I shoot you dead, is that a choice? Is it a 'choice' to pay taxes of the government can imprison you for years at a time if you "choose" not to? Both answers are, of course, no; the same as it is for a 'choice' of "worship me without question, or you DESERVE to be TORTURED FOREVER!"
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 Oh they're going to "integrate" them alright. What exactly would it mean to "integrate the virgins" in the context of this story. It's reading comprehension 101 stuff. I have to think that you know better and are arguing like a lawyer and not because you really can't comprehend it.
Actually, just the idea that they are commanded to check all the women is bad enough. Then that they are to kill the ones who have "known a man" is truly evil. But the "integrating" is insulting.
rrpostalagain 1 year ago
here's the real kicker:
"Why have you let all the women live?" [Moses] demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
You see the end there? Kill everyone EXCEPT THE VIRGINS
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@Drunkenprophet23 2 Samuel 12:11-12, want some of the context you so blithely invoke? Fine:
David killed Uriah the Hittite and took Uriah's wife as his won. This pissed god off "because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife". So god says he will take David's wives right before his eyes and give them to his neighbor (his son Absalom) to "lie with" (in the biblical sense) in front of everyone. Note how the wives are never given a choice in the matter.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake "as his own", typo correction.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake Quoting it fully:
12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12:12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
In 12:14-18 he also kills David's (and Uriah's wife Bathsheba's) son because killing Uriah had given people an excuse to blaspheme.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake Well, firstly, I appreciate that you have given the actual quoteths. But it seems that this is not specifically punishment for sex outside of marriage. There's a bit more going on here that's angering thine lord. Actually, it is forcing sex outside of marriage as the punishment, isn't it? If you were not already predisposed to be against sex out of marriage, I don't think it would be the moral of this happy little tale.
rrpostalagain 1 year ago
i worship marijuana Matt should give it a try
steptocheese 1 year ago
If there is a God, I would still not want to go to Heaven, because I am morally better than God.
knottsknocks 1 year ago 4
Iv'e heard that jazz before. "Non-believers just can't understand god or the scriptures". In that notion, how would a non believer ever come to know god? That's half the point of the scriptures, is it not?
SkepticsUniverse2 1 year ago
there is a vidio of a guy in africa that came back to life after being dead for three day and he went to heaven and then to hell the video is on youtube you need to see this
MrBloodwash777 1 year ago
@MrBloodwash777
Why do you believe that video? Many says they went on spaceships being examined by aliens. They even have scars. This doesnt mean they really met aliens.
herrerik 1 year ago
@MrBloodwash777 and this wonderful journey beyond death was performed under scientific conditions and witnessed by doctors? did the guy bring back proof of said heaven & hell?.
Or did the whole event happen in a remote location far from modern medicine and the people who "witnessed" it cannot perform basic first aid procedures like checking for a pulse!!!
xdir 1 year ago
They have a very good point, u cant proved that god exsits or even form some logic that hes exsits either
nightlord1000 1 year ago 27
@nightlord1000 --Yes you can; try St Thomas Aquinas "Five Ways" philosophy.
Mothman454 1 year ago
@nightlord1000 What? Please retake fourth grade English.
PrivateJoker17 9 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 Yes I put "proved" instead of "prove" and misspelt "exist". Its a simple spelling mistake, it happens, you know what I'm saying all the same. Theres no need to pick out that tiny flaw and insult me over it
nightlord1000 9 months ago
@nightlord1000 Actually you spelt almost every word wrong, used no punctuation and absolutely terrible grammar. That did not make sense at all.
PrivateJoker17 9 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 Oh I see. You don't have the brain compactly to argue against me so you decide to insult me instead? Not everyone uses "Grammatically correct English" when typing on line and how did you work out I spelt almost everything wrong? Seen as it has 19 thumbs up and a reply people clearly understand it.
nightlord1000 9 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 Let me try. Maybe what he (nightlord) should have said was "theists haven't yet provided any good 'verifiably accurate and positively indicative' proof of a gods existence, and their logical arguments are also very specious." I think that would be clear enough to be understood, and nothing else should incite your wrath from that statement (unless you disagree with the position.)
No more arguments about petty grammar since personally I prefer "spelled" over "spelt." =)
TheDeadlyGamesman 9 months ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman If 'Nightlord' was an intelligent perso this would be just fine. Also 'spelled' is the American version, it's 'spelt' here in Australia haha
PrivateJoker17 9 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 Well my CanOD shows "spelled or spelt", and as much as I love the British spelling, spelt seems too juvenile (for me.) Plus, regardless of how you view him, I've seen way worse grammar on here and I've seen people who just honestly can't form a coherent thought at all. Just keep it civil. =)
TheDeadlyGamesman 9 months ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman 'Spelt' is too juvenile? How, it's just a way of spelling a word, in certain countries it is the correct way. Also, it's hard to be civil when dealing with such extreme ignorance.
PrivateJoker17 9 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 Well a better wording would have been slangy, it seems slangy to me. But it's only my preference and opinion, and I recognize elsewhere in the world, the British variant is preferred over the U.S. preference.
TheDeadlyGamesman 9 months ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman Haha okay, but it's not 'slangy' it's just the correct way of spelling it in this region, another example is we spell 'colour' with a 'U'.
PrivateJoker17 9 months ago
Voteboted?
Kille24sthlm 2 years ago 6
@Kille24sthlm Yup. :-/
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago 5
@Kille24sthlm Personally I am proud of the Christians that did that, it shows their brains are slowly developing :|
keithpetro 1 year ago
Here's the problem with his blond hair example.
Why are you upset about Christians believing that you're going to go to hell if you don't believe in it?
Using his exact same example. If he believed in a God that was going to punish all people with blond hair it wouldn't bother me in the least. I'm not blond, but I don't believe.
This tells me that they have doubt in their atheism. Because if they didn't doubt it. there would be no problem.
dex1391 2 years ago
Then you don't understand. Allow me to explain.
It's not about people believing we're going to hell. If that's ALL it was, you're right, we wouldn't care. Rather, it's the fact that xians feel we DESERVE to go to hell. Further, they have the social and legal power to hurt others BASED on that belief.
Massacre of Native Americans, witch burnings, slavery, oppression of women, persecution of gays, on and on... yes, we very MUCH have cause for concern over these beliefs.
aeroldoth 2 years ago
@aeroldoth
OK... Maybe you're right. I may not understand your belief system. However, you don't understand the Christian belief system.
They don't believe that you deserve to go to hell. They believe that you deserve to be saved. If they believed that you deserved to go to hell they wouldn't bother trying to convert you. You should take it as a huge compliment.
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 What the fuck difference does it make? If someone is not saved and that person is damned to hell, since they weren't "saved" they deserve to go to hell. That's the WHOLE reason ppl are out there proselytizing; to save you soul from an eternity of hellfire.
So of course we don't take this as a compliment. No more than Christians would take it as a compliment if I tried to "save" them from their fate of being thrown into a pile of dog shit for eternity. The implications are still there.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
NO... That's not what it means. If you deserved to go to hell no one would try to save you.
If you don't take it as a compliment fine but the only reason you don't is because you don't understand religion.
Which may be why you're a non-believer.
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 Well I guess we can thank Joe hell doesn't exist. At least no one has been able to show that it really does. Neither does heaven.
The reason I'm a nonbeliever is because I see no compelling evidence for the existence of a god. I'm still waiting for people to "save" me with the evidence, but lo and behold, none have done so yet.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
"I'm still waiting for people to "save" me"
I'm not. I'm beyond tired of people flaunting their religions and trying to shove them down my throat. The sad thing is, I know I'm going to have to put up with it all my life. : (
aeroldoth 2 years ago
@aeroldoth Quote mining is not fun.
"I'm still waiting for people to 'save' me with the evidence."
The point was evidence, because if they had any and could produce it, and if it were compelling enough, than I could be changed of my opinions. Also it was kind of a jokey remark.
If you really want some fun, watch some of his favourited videos.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
I knew what you meant, I was just going on a tangent.
Or rant, if you will. : p
aeroldoth 2 years ago
Fine... I won't attempt to convert you.
You're on your own. I've seen no compelling evidence that God doesn't exist. I guess if you want to "convert" me to atheism you've got your work cut out for you.
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 I don't want to convert you to anything. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim to prove it, and I make no claims. But if you want compelling evidence god doesn't exist I suggest you consider the lack of evidence for its existence.
Surely if something doesn't exist the only possible evidence we could have for it's inexistence would be a lack of evidence for it's existence. If you think otherwise, give evidence for the inexistence for myriad of things you consider unreal.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
That's fine. I'm elated that you don't want to convert me. I'm glad that you have faith in your atheism. But of course you have the burden of proof in your atheism.
I'm glad that you have blind faith in your beliefs but again they are yours and yours alone.
dex1391 2 years ago
It's easy to spew your bullshit since you simply deny anything that contradicts your claims. But since you don't know what atheism is, let me explain it.
Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god or gods. It is the rejection of claims made by theists and does not claim one way or another whether god exists or not, that's what gnosticism and agnosticism are for. And I happen to be an agnostic atheist in that I won't claim a god doesn't or couldn't exist. I see no evidence to believe one does.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@aeroldoth
As to your second part. The native Americans? I don't know where you're going with that one.
Witch burnings yes they misinterpreted the bible and killed some "witches". How many??? Less than 25.
Slavery? That one is NOT in the bible. As a matter of fact the word doesn't even appear in the original version of the bible.
God loves all people, gays and women are not excluded.
We both have something to learn about each others beliefs.
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 You should also just do some research before saying stupid things.
Exodus 21:20-21 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."
That's from the NIV, and of course slavery doesn't appear; they used other words like servant. I'm sure it wasn't at their own volition.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
Instead of ad hominem attacks shouldn't you just do your research?
Exodus 21:20-21 (King James Version) 20And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. 21Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
Wow look at that. If you do a little historical research you see the difference.
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 Ad hominem is by definition "appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect." I didn't say you were stupid, I said what you said was stupid because it was ignorantly stated. It's still slavery, whether it's called slavery or not, and that's not the only example of slavery in the bible.
Leviticus 25:44-46 details how Israelites were allowed to buy slaves and hand them down as inheritance.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
It was an ad hominem.. Don't attempt to be clever. It's not working. It's not slavery. There's a big difference between slave and servant. If you had any type of religious education you'd understand that. You are wrong.
You're free to your beliefs but you simply don't understand the bible or Christianity. I've met many individuals like you.
dex1391 2 years ago
@dex1391 Actually bondmen, which is used to describe the "servants" is defined as a slave. And this is why the NIV is more useful than King James, because it uses formal English, and not Elizabethan Englisheth. :p
And since these people were considered property, they fit the perfect qualifications of being a slave.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
Again no.
You are incorrect. The term simply doesn't exist. You really need to learn a little of the history of the time because you really don't have the education to back up your claims.
dex1391 2 years ago
Bondman, or bond servant, which the bible uses means slave. Maybe your etymology education isn't good, but you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. It comes from the Middle English word bonde, which means serf.
So if you're done acting like an egotistical dickhead, you'll be able to figure out it's slavery. This probably never resulted by their own volition and they did not get paid for being a "servant." Don't try acting like a scholar when you don't know shit about shit.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
LOL I was expecting that. When cornered people in your position usually resort to ad hominem attacks and pure insults to try to bully their points.
Sorry, You're wrong. I've proven you wrong, and it's killing you. It's really quite amusing.
dex1391 2 years ago
No you haven't, because it's right there. I've shown you the etymology of the word bondman, referenced examples in the bible where they talk about how the bondmen or bondmaids should be inheritance for their children, and all you do is plug your ears and scream "la la la la la. . ."
So, by my definition, it's being an egotistical dickhead to think you're right, that you will always be right, and to continue to think such things in spite of obvious biblical passages showing that you're wrong.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
LOL...
An atheist trying to explain the bible is like a 2 year old trying to explain physics.
I've been a christian and studied the bible for over 30 years.
You seem to think that you can understand the book based on what you get from atheist websites.
It's hilarious.
dex1391 2 years ago
Well you seem to have many things confused. Because it doesn't matter where I got the information from, because it's only representing EXACTLY what is stated in your bible.
Now you're going to be very shocked but I agree with you in that I don't like talking about the bible because I'm not super familiar with the whole thing, just the "good" parts I was told in church. But it's still there, and there are plenty of more informed experts who would attest to that.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
LOL...
Yes it does matter where you get the information because it's obvious that you're not getting it from the bible.
If you don't want to be mocked read the bible and get the education to go along with it.
Until then your opinion is meaningless. An uneducated opinion is just that. uneducated.
I'm fine with your belief that there is no God. Just don't pretend to understand Christianity.
dex1391 2 years ago
What are you talking about? Have you looked at the examples I listed? Or do you still not understand the meaning of bondman?
I've already stated I make no claim either way on the existence of a god. Yet you continue to lie and say I believe no god exists. If a god exists, I think there should be sufficient evidence for it. I don't believe this evidence has been presented yet, by anyone. If anyone would like to, I invite them to.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
Your ignorance is appalling. Your insistence that you know what you're talking about is hilarious.
dex1391 2 years ago
But since you find it so funny that feel you don't have to actually refute anything, call the Atheist Experience (the website in the link to the side of the video with that info) and speak to Matt Dillahunty about it. He's someone who has studied the bible, and he was even going to go to seminary.
Put your money where your mouth is and call the show for a debate. Because I'll bet you don't have the cojones to actually do that. But we'll see. Will you do it?
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
LOL... yes I'm sure this atheist knows the bible.
That's like challenging me to call the KKK to confirm that blacks are evil.
dex1391 2 years ago
Again, you simply snicker and arrogantly state that others have no knowledge and that you have more knowledge than others. I'm willing to bet this former fundamentalist Christian for over 30 years knows more about the bible than you.
Which is why the challenge is still on the table. If you chicken out however, you forfeit and I win. Your proclaimed 30 years of knowledge from studying the bible and your ego are afraid of debating someone else because you know you will lose.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
You people are all the same. Your faith in atheism is a joke. You are pathetic.
You fell in with a cult.
Go be with your cult and take your bigotry with you.
dex1391 2 years ago
Well it looks like I win. Not only do you lie and continue to do so despite being shown to be wrong and misstating things, you won't take up the offer. So much for 30+ years of studying the bible or defending why you believe as stated in 1 Peter 3:15.
Hey I'm open to different ideas. If only you were too. Maybe you'd have taken the challenge. Perhaps another time. . .
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
Please tell me that you're in Jr. High. That's the only explanation other than complete ignorance that makes any sense.
You're a bigot. You hate religion.
But guess what... you're not special... There are millions of bigots just like you.
You're not the last one that I'll have to contend with.
You simply hate religious people.
It happens with atheists. I'm used to it.
dex1391 2 years ago
I've tried being very amiable in general throughout this exchange here. Yet you continue to throw words in my mouth. Not once have I stated that I hate religion, let alone religious people. And I don't hate religion or religious people, but you will probably disregard this and continue lying by stating that I do.
Now before you begin making any other statements about me that you have absolutely no clue of, I'm going to ask you to quit making up false attributes of me from your imagination.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago
@TheDeadlyGamesman
Yes LOL amiable... Calling me names and using ad hominem attacks is amiable. LOL nice..
dex1391 2 years ago
With that said, I would hate to start blocking users from my channel but you're starting to push the limit.
You make false assertions, you have hypocritically called me a bigot whereas you are the only one who has demonstrated those qualities, and you have an annoying habit of not replying to contentions made by others.
You simply shrug off arguments and tell people they're just plain out wrong. And this is starting to annoy me because your claims are not sacrosanct, no here especially.
TheDeadlyGamesman 2 years ago