it is more important at this stage for humanity to point out how poisonous the quran is and less important (but still important) to point out how ridiculous the bible is is because militant islam is much worse than militant christianity at this time. there are very few christians blowing themselves up based on what the bible says. there are very few christians taking girls and stoning them to death on their fathers doorstep for not being a virgin. there are plenty of muslims being stoned though.
@shadowofears i never said there were stoning verses in the quran, i was talking about the bible. you say the hadiths should not be followed.. but the quran should? how do you make that distinction? why not just abandon the quran aswell.. none of the texts can be verified as true in any real way.. so why not just ditch them all, since you are already picking and choosing which aspects of islam you follow. i stand by my point, there are millions of muslims who follow the hadiths.. islam is poison
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL...... dude... we don't ditch the Quran bcz Allah ( S.W.T) has said that he will never let any harm be done to the Quran... and that it will always survive till the end of time....and we believe in ALLAH ( S.W.T) TOTALLY! Sure, there are many Muslims who have
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL many extreme beliefs. we also have many extreme sects. but if u really study Islam, then u'll find out that all u need to do to follow Islam and its teachings is to follow the Quran! And that's all we need... the hadiths are not really that reliable
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL now, if u ask me how we believe in ALL that, i can only advise you to study and research thoroughly, use ur reason and logic and try to identify the truth. But, i dnt want to offend any1 here, at all.
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL It's ur own choice. In Islam, we are not even allowed to force someone to convert. And, i knw Muslims are regarded as idiotic, illiterate, extreme terrorists in most of the world, but we aren't really like that.. it's just that our bad lot stands out more!
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL Islam itself doesn't teach all that stupid extreme stuff. the ppl themselves have created restrictions and rules.. that are not taught by the QURAN ( which is our sole reliable source of teaching) so, Islam is very peaceful and logical... read
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL the Quran, understand it.. and then INSHALLAH u will believe. Again, i just want to create awareness... no cyber space fights plz. no offense to any1. May Allah bless you and guide u! Peace :D
yeah ...the bible is also taken literally...aha, thats why we have this problems with stonings and jihad in christianity...really all religions are the same.
If truly, islam was the truth...then it would be a religion of character and not one that relys on justifying itself by pointing flaws in other religions.
Remember when we were all little and always blamed other for our mistakes and bad behaviours
Its funny how these Muslims always compare themselves with Christians and Jew's.its just childish for a religion in order to justify itself it has to point to the bad points of other religions
very simple, the things that you are using against muslims are the very things in your bible, just like what is mentioned in the video, so he is exposing these people who attack muslims for doing something that exist in the same books of those who attacking the muslims, for instance you attack polygamy in islam, but your book is full of prophets who practiced it, in fact muslims RESTRICTS polygamy and it actually says "marry ONLY ONE' if you cannot treat them equaly, so islam makes more sense
Those who think 9/11 was done by muslims watch conspiracy theory...U will see the light:.Almost 5 videos are available in which the attacks and it concequences are explained in details...by the way It was all done By BUSH.
I put a couple in my favorites frontpage too for all visitors of my channel to see. One of them shows how a recent Osama video has been faked with comparisons and all.
I can upload the full videos of the 9/11 contravercy if anyone wants it....I will be pleased to help people know the truth regarding the Cast or Creed...
@nawazyshn maybe bush hired the terrorists to crash planes, maybe thats why we cant find Bin-Laden cuz bush is hiding him, yes i know about the explosives planted there, it may or may not be a conspiracy.
@matteojrini Look bro bush didnt hire any terrorists or bin laden...Bin laden and his family were long term family friends..Im not saying this on my own, you can read the history about them...and alot of videos where laden and Bush's family were seen together, the problem is u cant find the videos so easily coz of the government.
@IslamoPhilic I know right, they need to stay away from religion VS religion vids seriously, i saw a vid on how jesus was our savior and athiest bombed it with "F jesus" and "F god" and "thiests are A holes" and "f u retarded thiests" i mean they are the mostr ignorant and disrespectful people when it comes to other peoples beliefs. Thumbs up.
I read the Bible, Koran and hadiths. They tell me Jesus said love they neighbor and turn the other check while Mohammad preached killing and hate. Jesus was not married, the prophet married at least 12 times one of them a child. Jesus preached love and forgiveness the prophet preached the opposite, who is the one more spiritual?
Mary is thought to have been about 12 when she conceived. According to your corrupt creed, maybe Jesus didn't marry, but GOD did. I also show how the bible defends pedophilia in an earlier vid.
I already tackled the "peaceful bible" claim in my vid Bible vs Quran. In addition to Jesus' "too perfect" teachings in yet another vid.
@IslamoPhilic go on in your research for Bible. islamophilic, holy spirit will open your eyes..., you will finally see the truth with Jesus ...... Jesus help this man.... knocking your door heart... Be Blessed..
@leecheecheang I hv Read Bible and to be honest with you it sucks especially Ezikiel and Songs of Solomon so much Pornography is there Anyway i hv nothing to do with ur book Just stop imposing ur believes on us through ur charity works
Christians believe that with the Messiah came the "New covenant". Jesus only reaffirmed the old covenant's "10 commandments." Thus they are the only Jewish laws Christians follow. Jesus gave 38 other direct commands; which Christians apply to life. They include: "FORGIVE EVERYBODY OF ALL THEIR OFFENSES AGAINST YOU." ("based on" Mat 6:12 and Mark11: 24/25) "BE MERCIFUL." (luke6:36/36) "DO NOT RETURN OFFENSE FOR OFFENSE." (Matt 5:38/39) Thus, no honor killings. I'm happy to answer any questions.
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
could you show me where jesus condemns/abrogates the laws of the old testament? where does he say that we no longer need to follow them?
If we're going to count the kills, the crusaders killed 14 years worth of annual honor killings in Jerusalem alone (assuming half of them are women, if you consider men to be dogs, it'd be 7 years). And the victims haven't even had premartial sex.
Oh wait, that was a "long time ago" right? Let's look at WWI & II & Vietnam then. Still too far back? How about Iraq and Afghanistan then? Who's the savage here?
Prophet Muhammad (or more specifically, God THROUGH prophet Muhammad) absolutely talked about the validity of the Torah. The only question is: Is what we have today the same Torah? I can hardly imagine God actually speaking about breasts, thighs and four-legged locusts, can you?
You quoted the Old Testament (Deuteronomy) whose Laws Christians don't follow. Now if you wanted to attack Jews, which I am sure you would, that would be a valid point. It is called Old because it is the covenant with the Jews, not with the world, which is the New Testament. If you knew anything about Christianity you would understand that.
Doesn't matter if they follow it or not (which, btw, they should, since Jesus "was not sent to destroy but to fulfill"). If they acknowledge that God had ordained that 3500 years ago, why not 1400 years ago?
Please note that honor killing is NOT mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an or the Sunnah. I'm playing devil's advocate, and the burden of proof is still on you.
I probably know more about "Christianity" than you do. But that won't make any difference.
u welcome,I just want to add that its a well-known fact that Islam maintains the protection of life and does not sanction any violation against it. In the Glorious Quran, Allah, Most High, says, Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom. (An-Nisa: 93) (continued)
There is no such concept in Islam that is called honor killing. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings. (continued)
First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.there is no place for unjustifiable killing.
In Islam, there is no place for unjustifiable killing. Even in case of capital punishment, only the government can apply the law through the judicial procedures. No one has the authority to execute the law other than the officers who are in charge.
Honor killing could be a wrong cultural tradition. It is unjust and inhumane action. The murderer of that type deserves punishment.....Thank you brother.
Although I don't agree that it was the CIA, you do have to admit kilian111 that with any religion there is going to be those who try to manipulate it for their own self-interest. Mind you I am not religion what-so-ever. It is natural in every society to have "bad seeds." Those 9/11 bombers in no way reflect the whole values and actions of an entire society. A similar relations in Christianity is the Westboro Baptist Church who protest at military funerals. Look them up here on YouTube. Peace.
I seem to be one of the few who actually remember Charlie Wilson's war where your society and ours were hand in hand against the fascist Russian regime. I can understand where you are comming from but also where kilian111 is comming from (although his statement is rather crude, I can say as an American that a good percentage of Americans aren't educated in the national polital scene. Hopefully together, we can bring understanding. :)
"For all the, uh, "non-experts" accusing Islam of being violent & sexist: No where in the Qur'an does it advocate honor killings. Not so true for the bible though... "
Still in europe honour killings are mainly practiced by...
muslims.
Using scriptures to defy what is obvious doesn't come across to clever.
interesting historical accusation in Quran - claims a stranger (maybe Judas) really died on Cross and not Christ.
so let me ask you - should we believe Muhammad, who came hundreds of years after Christ, or Mary, the mother of Jesus, who was there at the Cross? did she really mistake a naked stranger on the Cross for her own son?
Not necessarily someone else died for Jesus, maybe he was crucified but not until death. In any case, if it was God who made Judas look like Jesus then certainly Mary would've been fooled!
Besides, why do you trust the Bible's account on the story? The Vatican urged believers not to take it too literally, after all!
This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'
1 Samuel 15:2-3?
And what have Christians been doing since Constantine time, distributing roses?
...you are right in correcting me about the OT as far as what Moses or what God said (though some still from Moses)
God does directly clearing out 7 tribes of Canannites (people who sacrificed their own children). This is past-tense though - no commands to today's Jews (and certainly not Christians) to kill in name of Allah - unlike Quran.
where are the Christian and Jewish groups loving to kill in the name of Allah??
your responses are a desperate attempt to make Islam look peaceful
according to Sahih Al-Bukhari hadiths collection, respected by all Islam...Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him." Volume 9, Book 84, # 57
no where in the Bible does it say if one leaves Christianity they need to be murdered.
Jesus actually says we must love our enemies and pray for them. Pray for those who fall away - not hunt them down and kill them.
on 10-27-08 a Christian in Somalia was beheaded cuz he left Islam. RIP Mansuur Mohammed
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods", do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God..."
Christianity - "Be subject to one another...Wives, be subject to your husbands...For the husband is the head....Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her....husbands should love their wives
as their own bodies..two shall become one...let each one of you love his wife as himself..." Eph 5:21-33
hitting one's wife or gf is a mortal (serious) sin
Oh, but they're not abused in the West right? Dude, watch my Bible vs Quran video on Sexism, instead of me having to quote every single verse I used there ok?
you quoted Deut, OT - something that took place before Christ took on Flesh - thus before Christianity came upon us.
also a lot of what's there is not God speaking directly but Moses who is fallible. the 10 Commandments are infallible being straight from God, but never everything Moses said was infallible.
Christians view the OT a part of being fully inspired b/c it includes Hebrew history - not b/c we follow something that took place then.
MOSES SAID??? The first 5 books of the OT (Torah) are supposed to have come DIRECTLY from God! It's the NT which is filled with Peter and Paul's stuff, with only a couple of pages in total of Jesus' teachings. Who are you fooling buddy??
LOL! May God have mercy on Ahmad Deedat's soul. He asked the very simple question: If KJV went through FIVE MAJOR REVISIONS, how can it still be called "King James Version"? You need to watch Deedat vs Swaggert debate (here on YT).
the kj origional is the same the some new version to make easyer to read . my friend you to some resuch of you own you are playing with etrnity god bless
guess who defended the Jews and got "righteous among the nations" by the Jews? Muslims.
why is it ok when Jews do it to others but not ok when less than their laws are applied to those of them who broke the peace treaty? Deu 20:15-17
if someone is in your thimmah = thimmi it means you are responsible to keep him/her safe. and both Muslims and non-Muslims paid taxes not just non-Muslims. There's a punishment by the law for tax evasion.
Freedom, if you don't have an argument against my counter-argument in which I suggested that Jesus explicitly endorsed the OT teachings please shut up.
And no, claiming that the Church was innocent of racism won't help you there (Read: "Native Americans are brutes since they have no salvation", the inquisitions, antisemitism, virtual lack of black preachers in the West till the 20th century, KKK were religious protestants, just to name a few things).
honor killings do not come from the bible. the Old testement no longer relevent afterJesus payed the price for everyones sin. no where in the bible does it tell people to kill their sisters or daughters cause they dated a non Christian or want to be educated. And all of my info comes from Former muslims who have seen the light of how Islam is oppressive/racist and sexist. And now live under fear if being killed by Koranic law which makes it a crime punishable by death to leave islam.
lol how can u say that muslim are racist and kkk are religious chrestians and they kill in the name of jesus poor black ppeople and give me just one line from the bible that deni racisme ? i guess no racisme in islam is forbiden dumb ass
You need to learn something about context, and learn to stop abusing it. This section in the bible has nothing to do with honor killings, it has to do with punishment for ADULTERY. God's law said that you must be sexually pure until marriage, and this section says that if they find out she has had premarital sex then she must be punished. Its about God having high standards set for his people and those who spit on them will be punished. Please put your propaganda somewhere else.
Dude, I'm PERFECTLY okay with that. The question is why is it "barbaric honor killing" when a Moslem does it, but a "God's law of purity" when a Jew does/did it?
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the reason for this was because the israelites had no sense of sophistication seeing that they have never had their own nation before. God was teaching them civil law. that all changed after jesus came. you dont see any christians killing their daughters today for having premarital sex do you? however just a few days ago on the news was a muslim honor killing.
"Civil" law? It's the same question: Why is it civil when the Jews do it but uncivil when Moslems do it? You have a severe hypocrisy complex, you need to visit a psychiatrist.
As for the very, very obvious lie that Jesus abolished the law, see my reply to freedombase above. And don't scorn me for what Christians do today man, you absolutely have got nothing to do with what Jesus said. You f***ed up any nation which wasn't friendly when you were supposed to love ur enemy & turn the other cheek!
You're right, there IS a big difference and I'm stating it again: No where in the Qor'an is honor killing stated.
PS. If you're gonna use the argument of "Islam is fraud because some Moslems do honor killings", I promise that you're gonna lose the debate, and very quickly *wink*
I didn't mean to imply "Islam is fraud because some Moslems do honor killings". That would do an injustice to "inhuman" and "barbaric". No, Islam is a fraud because of other reasons.
huh? You didn't post here before. Anyway, by this video I wanted to make Spencer the hypocrite shut up and cease his false claims about Islam. "Look at the log in your eye", as Jesus says.
And if you don't think honor killings are too "inhuman" (as well as killing women & children as in Deu), then the bible would be a cool holy book for you.
There's no problem with the Bible. Your allusion to Deut does point up one thing. Islam has no development of doctrine. (The only development I see in the Quran is Muhammad's, uh, SHARP malevolence towards Christians and Jews.) In essence, Islam takes it's adherents back to a Deuteronomic state of being. An anti-development, if I may say.
First, if Muslims are supposed to kill ANY nonbeliever, how come until TODAY we've got Christian AND Jewish miniroties in Egypt, Iraq, AFGHANISTAN (afghanistan has hindus, Taliban themselves didn't touch them!), Jews in Morocco & IRAN (axis of evil) etc etc?? You're taking verses out of context.
In addition, in my other vid I explain how the bible commands are much MUCH worse! So Shut up and COMPARE both holy books not just babble without thought! Gee
I'm a Muslim & I agree. the same verse applies to all the prophets to the people. Read the Bible & find what prophet Jesus did & do like he did so you can find the way the truth and eternal life in heaven.
hints
Mat 15:24,5:17 sent TO the children of Israel TO FULFIL the law
Mat 5:19 breaking the least of the law would cause him & you to be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven
Joh 17:3 believe in 1 GOD Joh 4:23 worship the Father
he did not say did & do he said i am the way the truth and the life and NO one comes to the father except through me . he was sent first to jew then to gentile . and we do worship one god ther is one god in three persons. 1 john 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
I already said that I agree... the way and the life comes through the truth of following his teachings... what did Jesus teach? check my previous comment.
why did the 2nd person of the trinity fall on his face for the 1st person of the trinity and asked him for help? Mat 26:39
simple wen christ came to earth he became a man . in
hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
we believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the word of God, was born miraculously, was given great miracles, will come back...interesting? (Qur'an 2:49 and 4:171,172 and 18:16-35)
ther is one god in three persons. 1 john 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
in that same sentence And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. john 13:5 . so if he was befor the world he was befor man that is him saying he is god . Genesis 1:26 Then God said, LET US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness;
first we poth can agry he is not an angel so narrows it down to two god or the devil and again we can agry he is not the devil witch only leaves one choice . and regarding the queen statment come on you must be jokeing my friend god bless
so now you we was befor man . john 1:5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Stop quoting the Bible as if it wasn't corrected a zillion times (and is still being corrected). Jesus wasn't officially a God before Paul made it up and Constantine approved it.
Anyway we're not here to discuss theology. According to the NT, Jesus DID approve the OT laws. Period.
After that, He poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded. john 13:5 wot does that got to do with any thnik my friend
You're outdated, the "and these three are one" clause was thrown out as a fabrication (in the 50's I believe). They found it wasn't in any bibles before the 1600's.
it is more important at this stage for humanity to point out how poisonous the quran is and less important (but still important) to point out how ridiculous the bible is is because militant islam is much worse than militant christianity at this time. there are very few christians blowing themselves up based on what the bible says. there are very few christians taking girls and stoning them to death on their fathers doorstep for not being a virgin. there are plenty of muslims being stoned though.
PurushadasaTotalFAIL 9 months ago
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL There are no stoning verses in Koran but there are Hadith which shouldnot be followed Please get some education
shadowofears 4 months ago
@shadowofears i never said there were stoning verses in the quran, i was talking about the bible. you say the hadiths should not be followed.. but the quran should? how do you make that distinction? why not just abandon the quran aswell.. none of the texts can be verified as true in any real way.. so why not just ditch them all, since you are already picking and choosing which aspects of islam you follow. i stand by my point, there are millions of muslims who follow the hadiths.. islam is poison
PurushadasaTotalFAIL 4 months ago
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL...... dude... we don't ditch the Quran bcz Allah ( S.W.T) has said that he will never let any harm be done to the Quran... and that it will always survive till the end of time....and we believe in ALLAH ( S.W.T) TOTALLY! Sure, there are many Muslims who have
virgokp 2 months ago
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL many extreme beliefs. we also have many extreme sects. but if u really study Islam, then u'll find out that all u need to do to follow Islam and its teachings is to follow the Quran! And that's all we need... the hadiths are not really that reliable
virgokp 2 months ago
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL ( some of them) bcz those have been recorded by PEOPLE! But the Quran will always be safeguarded by Allah( S.W.T)
virgokp 2 months ago
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL now, if u ask me how we believe in ALL that, i can only advise you to study and research thoroughly, use ur reason and logic and try to identify the truth. But, i dnt want to offend any1 here, at all.
virgokp 2 months ago
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL It's ur own choice. In Islam, we are not even allowed to force someone to convert. And, i knw Muslims are regarded as idiotic, illiterate, extreme terrorists in most of the world, but we aren't really like that.. it's just that our bad lot stands out more!
virgokp 2 months ago
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL Islam itself doesn't teach all that stupid extreme stuff. the ppl themselves have created restrictions and rules.. that are not taught by the QURAN ( which is our sole reliable source of teaching) so, Islam is very peaceful and logical... read
virgokp 2 months ago
@PurushadasaTotalFAIL the Quran, understand it.. and then INSHALLAH u will believe. Again, i just want to create awareness... no cyber space fights plz. no offense to any1. May Allah bless you and guide u! Peace :D
virgokp 2 months ago
yeah ...the bible is also taken literally...aha, thats why we have this problems with stonings and jihad in christianity...really all religions are the same.
Serpico261 11 months ago
Actually ALL RELIGIONS piss me OFF!
Multimixvideos 1 year ago
At least you agree that all religions are sexist and violent. Religion is the apogee of Human stupidity.
Shundra 1 year ago
If truly, islam was the truth...then it would be a religion of character and not one that relys on justifying itself by pointing flaws in other religions.
Remember when we were all little and always blamed other for our mistakes and bad behaviours
Notice how Muslims use the tactic also
Boygadget 2 years ago
Its funny how these Muslims always compare themselves with Christians and Jew's.its just childish for a religion in order to justify itself it has to point to the bad points of other religions
Boygadget 2 years ago
what has the bible got to do with the motives in the Islamic faith?
Boygadget 2 years ago
very simple, the things that you are using against muslims are the very things in your bible, just like what is mentioned in the video, so he is exposing these people who attack muslims for doing something that exist in the same books of those who attacking the muslims, for instance you attack polygamy in islam, but your book is full of prophets who practiced it, in fact muslims RESTRICTS polygamy and it actually says "marry ONLY ONE' if you cannot treat them equaly, so islam makes more sense
moorejr1400 2 years ago
Those who think 9/11 was done by muslims watch conspiracy theory...U will see the light:.Almost 5 videos are available in which the attacks and it concequences are explained in details...by the way It was all done By BUSH.
nawazyshn 2 years ago
I put a couple in my favorites frontpage too for all visitors of my channel to see. One of them shows how a recent Osama video has been faked with comparisons and all.
IslamoPhilic 2 years ago
I can upload the full videos of the 9/11 contravercy if anyone wants it....I will be pleased to help people know the truth regarding the Cast or Creed...
nawazyshn 2 years ago
@nawazyshn maybe bush hired the terrorists to crash planes, maybe thats why we cant find Bin-Laden cuz bush is hiding him, yes i know about the explosives planted there, it may or may not be a conspiracy.
matteojrini 1 year ago
@matteojrini Look bro bush didnt hire any terrorists or bin laden...Bin laden and his family were long term family friends..Im not saying this on my own, you can read the history about them...and alot of videos where laden and Bush's family were seen together, the problem is u cant find the videos so easily coz of the government.
nawazyshn 1 year ago
christians,, CLEAN YOUR HOUSE. islamics,, CLEAN YOUR HOUSE .
cleanmrbroadway 2 years ago
Atheists, STOP COMING TO RELIGIOUS VIDEOS AND FLAMING IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM.
IslamoPhilic 2 years ago
@IslamoPhilic I know right, they need to stay away from religion VS religion vids seriously, i saw a vid on how jesus was our savior and athiest bombed it with "F jesus" and "F god" and "thiests are A holes" and "f u retarded thiests" i mean they are the mostr ignorant and disrespectful people when it comes to other peoples beliefs. Thumbs up.
matteojrini 1 year ago
I read the Bible, Koran and hadiths. They tell me Jesus said love they neighbor and turn the other check while Mohammad preached killing and hate. Jesus was not married, the prophet married at least 12 times one of them a child. Jesus preached love and forgiveness the prophet preached the opposite, who is the one more spiritual?
loytoyzzz 2 years ago
Rly?
Mary is thought to have been about 12 when she conceived. According to your corrupt creed, maybe Jesus didn't marry, but GOD did. I also show how the bible defends pedophilia in an earlier vid.
I already tackled the "peaceful bible" claim in my vid Bible vs Quran. In addition to Jesus' "too perfect" teachings in yet another vid.
Visit my channel if you care to know.
IslamoPhilic 2 years ago
@IslamoPhilic go on in your research for Bible. islamophilic, holy spirit will open your eyes..., you will finally see the truth with Jesus ...... Jesus help this man.... knocking your door heart... Be Blessed..
leecheecheang 10 months ago
@leecheecheang I hv Read Bible and to be honest with you it sucks especially Ezikiel and Songs of Solomon so much Pornography is there Anyway i hv nothing to do with ur book Just stop imposing ur believes on us through ur charity works
shadowofears 4 months ago
Christians believe that with the Messiah came the "New covenant". Jesus only reaffirmed the old covenant's "10 commandments." Thus they are the only Jewish laws Christians follow. Jesus gave 38 other direct commands; which Christians apply to life. They include: "FORGIVE EVERYBODY OF ALL THEIR OFFENSES AGAINST YOU." ("based on" Mat 6:12 and Mark11: 24/25) "BE MERCIFUL." (luke6:36/36) "DO NOT RETURN OFFENSE FOR OFFENSE." (Matt 5:38/39) Thus, no honor killings. I'm happy to answer any questions.
manidontgiveafuck 9 months ago
@manidontgiveafuck
Matthew 5:17-18 (New King James Version)
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
could you show me where jesus condemns/abrogates the laws of the old testament? where does he say that we no longer need to follow them?
PurushadasaTotalFAIL 4 months ago
In practice, how many honor killings of women do Christians or Jews commit? 0, what about Muslims? Around 5000 on an annual basis. How pathetic.
EastOrthodxChristian 2 years ago
If we're going to count the kills, the crusaders killed 14 years worth of annual honor killings in Jerusalem alone (assuming half of them are women, if you consider men to be dogs, it'd be 7 years). And the victims haven't even had premartial sex.
Oh wait, that was a "long time ago" right? Let's look at WWI & II & Vietnam then. Still too far back? How about Iraq and Afghanistan then? Who's the savage here?
IslamoPhilic 2 years ago
EHY aeast have u noticed that this islamophilic posted a picture of STONING done by muslims, HOW PATHETIC IS HE?
Poor brainwashed muslims BASTARDS! Your days are numbered PIGS!
FreeIranStopIslam1 2 years ago
lol, first time I see a bastard who can't tell a movie shot when he sees one :)
I'm very happy with your comment because it shows how retarded anti-Islamists are.
IslamoPhilic 2 years ago
Also, I might add, you quoted a verse from the Torah, which Muhammad saw as valid, along with the Psalms prophets and Gospel.
EastOrthodxChristian 2 years ago
Prophet Muhammad (or more specifically, God THROUGH prophet Muhammad) absolutely talked about the validity of the Torah. The only question is: Is what we have today the same Torah? I can hardly imagine God actually speaking about breasts, thighs and four-legged locusts, can you?
IslamoPhilic 2 years ago
You quoted the Old Testament (Deuteronomy) whose Laws Christians don't follow. Now if you wanted to attack Jews, which I am sure you would, that would be a valid point. It is called Old because it is the covenant with the Jews, not with the world, which is the New Testament. If you knew anything about Christianity you would understand that.
EastOrthodxChristian 2 years ago
Doesn't matter if they follow it or not (which, btw, they should, since Jesus "was not sent to destroy but to fulfill"). If they acknowledge that God had ordained that 3500 years ago, why not 1400 years ago?
Please note that honor killing is NOT mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an or the Sunnah. I'm playing devil's advocate, and the burden of proof is still on you.
I probably know more about "Christianity" than you do. But that won't make any difference.
IslamoPhilic 2 years ago
dude your so cool , i wish my english where as good as yours so i could follow your lead .
Ezldor 2 years ago 5
man I love ur videos, keep it real 5stars
AnInvitationToTheTru 3 years ago 5
Thx man. Nice to see an encouraging comment every now and then heh
IslamoPhilic 2 years ago
u welcome,I just want to add that its a well-known fact that Islam maintains the protection of life and does not sanction any violation against it. In the Glorious Quran, Allah, Most High, says, Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom. (An-Nisa: 93) (continued)
AnInvitationToTheTru 2 years ago
There is no such concept in Islam that is called honor killing. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings. (continued)
AnInvitationToTheTru 2 years ago
First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.there is no place for unjustifiable killing.
AnInvitationToTheTru 2 years ago
In Islam, there is no place for unjustifiable killing. Even in case of capital punishment, only the government can apply the law through the judicial procedures. No one has the authority to execute the law other than the officers who are in charge.
Honor killing could be a wrong cultural tradition. It is unjust and inhumane action. The murderer of that type deserves punishment.....Thank you brother.
AnInvitationToTheTru 2 years ago
Christians and Jews don't practice honor killings, aren't suicide bombers, and don't fly airplanes into buildings.
kilian111 3 years ago
You're mistaking Muslims for CIA agents. Watch "9/11 coincidences" here on YT.
Oh and btw, Muslims didn't starve a million Iraqis with sanctions nor annihilate 2-10 million red indians.
Besides, practicing or not, it's in the book. Just coz you don't give a **** about your faith doesn't change facts about it.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
Although I don't agree that it was the CIA, you do have to admit kilian111 that with any religion there is going to be those who try to manipulate it for their own self-interest. Mind you I am not religion what-so-ever. It is natural in every society to have "bad seeds." Those 9/11 bombers in no way reflect the whole values and actions of an entire society. A similar relations in Christianity is the Westboro Baptist Church who protest at military funerals. Look them up here on YouTube. Peace.
PensiveZach 3 years ago
And to you Mr. IslamoPhilic.
I seem to be one of the few who actually remember Charlie Wilson's war where your society and ours were hand in hand against the fascist Russian regime. I can understand where you are comming from but also where kilian111 is comming from (although his statement is rather crude, I can say as an American that a good percentage of Americans aren't educated in the national polital scene. Hopefully together, we can bring understanding. :)
PensiveZach 3 years ago
"For all the, uh, "non-experts" accusing Islam of being violent & sexist: No where in the Qur'an does it advocate honor killings. Not so true for the bible though... "
Still in europe honour killings are mainly practiced by...
muslims.
Using scriptures to defy what is obvious doesn't come across to clever.
r3t4y5 3 years ago
interesting historical accusation in Quran - claims a stranger (maybe Judas) really died on Cross and not Christ.
so let me ask you - should we believe Muhammad, who came hundreds of years after Christ, or Mary, the mother of Jesus, who was there at the Cross? did she really mistake a naked stranger on the Cross for her own son?
ACS07 3 years ago
Not necessarily someone else died for Jesus, maybe he was crucified but not until death. In any case, if it was God who made Judas look like Jesus then certainly Mary would've been fooled!
Besides, why do you trust the Bible's account on the story? The Vatican urged believers not to take it too literally, after all!
Anyway how's this relevant to the vid?
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
...they fight in his cause, and slay and are slained... ~Quran 9:111
no reference to self-defense around this. this is an offensive command to Muslims today ever since Muhammad's time
ACS07 3 years ago
Sounds better than
This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'
1 Samuel 15:2-3?
And what have Christians been doing since Constantine time, distributing roses?
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
The law and the prophets were until John... ~Our Blessed Lord, Mt 16:16 (i like how you left that part out)
...not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all accomplished. ~Our Lord, Mt 5:18
key words - until all accomplished, until they served their purpose
we don't see Christians (or Jews) living by OT standards you have put out. however, you would like us to think that way. good try
Mumbai 11/26/08 - 100 + more killed in name of Allah.
ACS07 3 years ago
...you are right in correcting me about the OT as far as what Moses or what God said (though some still from Moses)
God does directly clearing out 7 tribes of Canannites (people who sacrificed their own children). This is past-tense though - no commands to today's Jews (and certainly not Christians) to kill in name of Allah - unlike Quran.
where are the Christian and Jewish groups loving to kill in the name of Allah??
your responses are a desperate attempt to make Islam look peaceful
ACS07 3 years ago
according to Sahih Al-Bukhari hadiths collection, respected by all Islam...Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him." Volume 9, Book 84, # 57
no where in the Bible does it say if one leaves Christianity they need to be murdered.
Jesus actually says we must love our enemies and pray for them. Pray for those who fall away - not hunt them down and kill them.
on 10-27-08 a Christian in Somalia was beheaded cuz he left Islam. RIP Mansuur Mohammed
ACS07 3 years ago
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods", do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God..."
-Deuteronomy 13:6-11
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
Christianity - "Be subject to one another...Wives, be subject to your husbands...For the husband is the head....Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her....husbands should love their wives
as their own bodies..two shall become one...let each one of you love his wife as himself..." Eph 5:21-33
hitting one's wife or gf is a mortal (serious) sin
big difference
ACS07 3 years ago
Which reminds me...
"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do"
Exodus 21:7
Oh, and don't even try the "But that's in the OT", because
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"
-2 Timothy 3:16
"It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law"
-Luke 16:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets.."
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
Quran 4:34, 35 says men have authority over women, are superior, and may beat their wives...just for thinking wives MIGHT be disobedient
Pakistan Institute of Medical Science determined that OVER 90 PERCENT of wives have been abused. (amnesty. org)
ACS07 3 years ago
Oh, but they're not abused in the West right? Dude, watch my Bible vs Quran video on Sexism, instead of me having to quote every single verse I used there ok?
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
you quoted Deut, OT - something that took place before Christ took on Flesh - thus before Christianity came upon us.
also a lot of what's there is not God speaking directly but Moses who is fallible. the 10 Commandments are infallible being straight from God, but never everything Moses said was infallible.
Christians view the OT a part of being fully inspired b/c it includes Hebrew history - not b/c we follow something that took place then.
ACS07 3 years ago
MOSES SAID??? The first 5 books of the OT (Torah) are supposed to have come DIRECTLY from God! It's the NT which is filled with Peter and Paul's stuff, with only a couple of pages in total of Jesus' teachings. Who are you fooling buddy??
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
Good stuff bro. Jazak'Allah.
5 stars... deserves 10.
With Dua,
Sight.
sightuponlight 3 years ago
Yo dude, it'd be nice if you quote until verse #12. Who's taking it out of context now?
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
any body who know any think about the bible know you only go of the king james .
al147316 3 years ago
LOL! May God have mercy on Ahmad Deedat's soul. He asked the very simple question: If KJV went through FIVE MAJOR REVISIONS, how can it still be called "King James Version"? You need to watch Deedat vs Swaggert debate (here on YT).
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
the kj origional is the same the some new version to make easyer to read . my friend you to some resuch of you own you are playing with etrnity god bless
al147316 3 years ago
guess who defended the Jews and got "righteous among the nations" by the Jews? Muslims.
why is it ok when Jews do it to others but not ok when less than their laws are applied to those of them who broke the peace treaty? Deu 20:15-17
if someone is in your thimmah = thimmi it means you are responsible to keep him/her safe. and both Muslims and non-Muslims paid taxes not just non-Muslims. There's a punishment by the law for tax evasion.
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago 2
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The kkk are not Christians, the kkk is terrorisr just like radical islam in fact both muslims and kkk hate jews and christians.
Women is still smarter then islam
freedombase 3 years ago
Freedom, if you don't have an argument against my counter-argument in which I suggested that Jesus explicitly endorsed the OT teachings please shut up.
And no, claiming that the Church was innocent of racism won't help you there (Read: "Native Americans are brutes since they have no salvation", the inquisitions, antisemitism, virtual lack of black preachers in the West till the 20th century, KKK were religious protestants, just to name a few things).
Don't make a fool of yourself... anymore.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
really true christainity = terrorist
islamicknight 3 years ago 3
waw and christians claim that muslim are barbaric ha ha ha
129749 3 years ago
honor killings do not come from the bible. the Old testement no longer relevent afterJesus payed the price for everyones sin. no where in the bible does it tell people to kill their sisters or daughters cause they dated a non Christian or want to be educated. And all of my info comes from Former muslims who have seen the light of how Islam is oppressive/racist and sexist. And now live under fear if being killed by Koranic law which makes it a crime punishable by death to leave islam.
freedombase 3 years ago
Yes yes Jesus opposed EVERYTHING in the old testament. I'm gonna help you with a couple of quotes:
"The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord stands forever." 1 Peter 1:24-25
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" Mat 5:17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness 2 Tim 3:16
You guys dunno your religion! *Concealed laugh*
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
lol how can u say that muslim are racist and kkk are religious chrestians and they kill in the name of jesus poor black ppeople and give me just one line from the bible that deni racisme ? i guess no racisme in islam is forbiden dumb ass
129749 3 years ago
You need to learn something about context, and learn to stop abusing it. This section in the bible has nothing to do with honor killings, it has to do with punishment for ADULTERY. God's law said that you must be sexually pure until marriage, and this section says that if they find out she has had premarital sex then she must be punished. Its about God having high standards set for his people and those who spit on them will be punished. Please put your propaganda somewhere else.
shureek 3 years ago
Dude, I'm PERFECTLY okay with that. The question is why is it "barbaric honor killing" when a Moslem does it, but a "God's law of purity" when a Jew does/did it?
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
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the reason for this was because the israelites had no sense of sophistication seeing that they have never had their own nation before. God was teaching them civil law. that all changed after jesus came. you dont see any christians killing their daughters today for having premarital sex do you? however just a few days ago on the news was a muslim honor killing.
shureek 3 years ago
"Civil" law? It's the same question: Why is it civil when the Jews do it but uncivil when Moslems do it? You have a severe hypocrisy complex, you need to visit a psychiatrist.
As for the very, very obvious lie that Jesus abolished the law, see my reply to freedombase above. And don't scorn me for what Christians do today man, you absolutely have got nothing to do with what Jesus said. You f***ed up any nation which wasn't friendly when you were supposed to love ur enemy & turn the other cheek!
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
Honor killings does not come in the bible moron but the koran
freedombase 3 years ago
um, so this quote in my vid is from the Qur'an? I'm sorry but I didn't get your drift...
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
Christians and Jews do not engage in honor killings. Muslims do. That's a big difference.
islamisafraud 3 years ago
You're right, there IS a big difference and I'm stating it again: No where in the Qor'an is honor killing stated.
PS. If you're gonna use the argument of "Islam is fraud because some Moslems do honor killings", I promise that you're gonna lose the debate, and very quickly *wink*
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
Sorry, IslamoPh
I didn't mean to imply "Islam is fraud because some Moslems do honor killings". That would do an injustice to "inhuman" and "barbaric". No, Islam is a fraud because of other reasons.
stmaxlv 3 years ago
huh? You didn't post here before. Anyway, by this video I wanted to make Spencer the hypocrite shut up and cease his false claims about Islam. "Look at the log in your eye", as Jesus says.
And if you don't think honor killings are too "inhuman" (as well as killing women & children as in Deu), then the bible would be a cool holy book for you.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
There's no problem with the Bible. Your allusion to Deut does point up one thing. Islam has no development of doctrine. (The only development I see in the Quran is Muhammad's, uh, SHARP malevolence towards Christians and Jews.) In essence, Islam takes it's adherents back to a Deuteronomic state of being. An anti-development, if I may say.
stmaxlv 3 years ago
1. No where in Islam does it say "kill your daughter if she's not a virgin", like no where in Xianity does it say "rape boys in churches"
2. If you think Jesus "abolished" Deu's laws, read this:
"The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord stands forever." 1 Peter 1:24-25
+
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17)
This shows you guys dunno about YOUR religion, much less ours!
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
I don't know what's wrong with you guys...
First, if Muslims are supposed to kill ANY nonbeliever, how come until TODAY we've got Christian AND Jewish miniroties in Egypt, Iraq, AFGHANISTAN (afghanistan has hindus, Taliban themselves didn't touch them!), Jews in Morocco & IRAN (axis of evil) etc etc?? You're taking verses out of context.
In addition, in my other vid I explain how the bible commands are much MUCH worse! So Shut up and COMPARE both holy books not just babble without thought! Gee
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
jesus is lord second of the holy trinity . and is the way the truth and the life NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME
al147316 3 years ago
I'm a Muslim & I agree. the same verse applies to all the prophets to the people. Read the Bible & find what prophet Jesus did & do like he did so you can find the way the truth and eternal life in heaven.
hints
Mat 15:24,5:17 sent TO the children of Israel TO FULFIL the law
Mat 5:19 breaking the least of the law would cause him & you to be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven
Joh 17:3 believe in 1 GOD Joh 4:23 worship the Father
Mat 26:39 fell on his face to pray to GOD
Mat 4:2 fasted
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago
he did not say did & do he said i am the way the truth and the life and NO one comes to the father except through me . he was sent first to jew then to gentile . and we do worship one god ther is one god in three persons. 1 john 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
al147316 3 years ago
I already said that I agree... the way and the life comes through the truth of following his teachings... what did Jesus teach? check my previous comment.
why did the 2nd person of the trinity fall on his face for the 1st person of the trinity and asked him for help? Mat 26:39
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago 3
simple wen christ came to earth he became a man . in
hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
al147316 3 years ago
GOD is "a spirit" Joh 4:24 "not a man" Hos 11:9 "not the son of man" Num 23:19 God
"changes NOT" Mal 3:6 SO he can NOT be God & man or God then man at any point
Also
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father,...
1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time...
we don't believe that Jesus is divine
we believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the word of God, was born miraculously, was given great miracles, will come back...interesting? (Qur'an 2:49 and 4:171,172 and 18:16-35)
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago
in philippians 2:5-9 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name
al147316 3 years ago
Jesus is sent to us by the only God as in:
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom THOU HAST SENT.
In philippians 2:9 "God" who is Jesus also hath highly exalted "Jesus" who is God? why did Jesus need exalting from God if Jesus is God?
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago
"God" is who you call "the Father"
Luk 11:2 , Mat 6:9 Jesus taught the prayer, to the Father not to him, the will of the Father be done not the will of Jesus. Beautiful prayer :)
Joh 4:23 true worshipers worship the Father
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith...the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain nor yet at Jerusalem worship the Father
Mat 7:22,23 do you want to be disowned by Jesus on the Day of Judgment?
Mat 7:21 better do the will of the Father as Jesus did Luk 22:42, Joh 5:30
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago
ther is one god in three persons. 1 john 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
al147316 3 years ago
Bearing witness doesnt make someone a god
Jesus was sent by the ONLY true God. John 17:3
And we do believe that Jesus was raised by God to heaven.
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago
in that same sentence And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. john 13:5 . so if he was befor the world he was befor man that is him saying he is god . Genesis 1:26 Then God said, LET US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness;
al147316 3 years ago
the verse you were referring to is in John 17:5 not 13:5
but existence before birth is not restricted to Jesus, Jeremiah 1:5 and the angels existed before the world was created, do you worship angels?
"WE" "US" "OUR" is the royal plural. you can look it up. 1 person says WE, like the Queen.
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago
first we poth can agry he is not an angel so narrows it down to two god or the devil and again we can agry he is not the devil witch only leaves one choice . and regarding the queen statment come on you must be jokeing my friend god bless
al147316 3 years ago
you gave me 3 options:
- being an angel
- being Satan
- being a god
but you forgot another option:
- being another creation created by God.
just like God created angels and Satan before the world but they are not gods, so is Jesus.
AnotherPerspective08 3 years ago
so now you we was befor man . john 1:5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
al147316 3 years ago
Stop quoting the Bible as if it wasn't corrected a zillion times (and is still being corrected). Jesus wasn't officially a God before Paul made it up and Constantine approved it.
Anyway we're not here to discuss theology. According to the NT, Jesus DID approve the OT laws. Period.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
the bible is correct . wot about the about laws
al147316 3 years ago
After that, He poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded. john 13:5 wot does that got to do with any thnik my friend
al147316 3 years ago
1 John 5:7 was thrown as a fabrication anyway, check the new internationl version and see the foot notes, hah!
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
You're outdated, the "and these three are one" clause was thrown out as a fabrication (in the 50's I believe). They found it wasn't in any bibles before the 1600's.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago