LET'S SET SOMETHING STRAIGHT: Quote: "actually the 'crappy russian plane' you see has a better safety record than the boeing 727" .... well no shit, I bet you figured that out by comparing the number of 727 crashes against the number of Tu154 crashes. Well Mr genius, did you take into considerations that for every Tu154 in existence, there were probably 10 727s out there? did that affect your safety and crash probability calculations?
These aircraft cant be as bad as Ive been hearing. If they have been in service as long as 30- 40 years, I would have to say crashes are due to poor maintenance.
side by side the wind force stop the plane and go down with out flappers,and never go to stall,and u can land safely,i did the s-turn in wrangler island(syberia) one time(20 years ago)..and believe me..i still smell my shit...it is a mandatory lesson in russian flight academy(for russian planes)...if a real pilot read this let know if i am right or wrong
@chimandude i agree with u we call this an s-turn,this is low the altitude drastic without win in speed,a plane in dive increase in speed ,but if u do the S-TURN u fall at the same speed and u can landing safely ,if are at 6k feet and wanna landing in 3 miles..u can't do it cuz double or triple u speed, impossible land 3 times the speed landing...S-TURN u are able to loose altitude in short time and at the same speed,if like drifting a car,i spend 7 years in soviet union learning to flight ,
I'd rather be flying in a TU-154 during a three engine flame out at climb out, or even in a 70 degree uncontrolled descent in a 727, rather than having to read these spatting statisticians tossing numbers around like they really have some relevance. Flying has been the safest way to travel for years.
Even though you are 15.8% more likely to be involved in a fatal accident in the TU-154 you're twice as likely to survive it than a 727. Therefore if you're looking at survivability the TU-154 wins over 727.
The TU-154 most definately does not have a safer record than the 727. There have been 1831 727's built and 112 hull losses and a total of 3783 fatalaties. That is 6.1% of hulls lost and approximately 2.066 fatalaties / airframe. The TU-154 has 1025 built with 69 hull losses. That is 6.9% of hulls that were lost, and with a total of 3009 fatalaties, that adds up to approximately 2.94 fatalaties per airframe. Fly in a TU-154 and you're almost 50% more likely to be killed than you are in a 727.
You are 15.8% more likely to end up in a fatal accident in a TU-154 however you have a 31.1% chance of surviving a fatal accident in a TU154 & a 16.2% chance of surviving a fatal accident in a 727.
That actually looks like some kind of test flight, like they're trying to demonstration a problem or repeat a problem or diagnose a problem. Could be wrong, not sure, but that doesn't look out of control to me. It looks like they're throwing it around on purpose.
The reason for this aircraft behavior - failure of control channels damper roll, pitch & rate (RA-56 system). The plane took off 10 years and all redone inside (not at the factory schemes) repairmens confused labeling. Here full video: watch?v=XzyUIhAyfzs
@Kneedragon1962 Yeah, throwing it around on purpose on that altitude? That's not even safe altitude for testings that would require re-gaining the control of an aircraft.
it's the first flight after 10 year break for this plane, a test flight. now an investigation is being held on who gave an approval for a flight resume...
v=mM9UM33EKqY: The plane comes in heavy, full of fuel. No time to dump. It is suffering from a control system failure whereby any input by the pilot to adjust roll results in the situation only getting worse, its called "positive feedback". The pilot executes a tight combat landing, it is an emergency, and with all that "bad news", it holds together. It lands without fire or harm. I can't image the rank and experience behind the pilot, but he is no doubt a leader among leaders.
I think someone should call the Guinness Book of World Records because I think that pilot set a record of saying "Shit" the most times in a row. "shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit", that's what I would be saying the entire time.
Stability derivatives on the aileron and rudder controls have a delta movement malfunction. I'm an aerospace engineer, i studied this stuff last week.
@jeffhardylysia Irrespective of how crappy the Tu-154 is, and we are never told of any Russian areo accidents incidentally, this video shows the great skill of the pilots in keeping their heads in what was clearly a brown stain the pants situation, and keeping that aircraft flying and then recovering and landing safely. Well done to the crew you've made Mother Russia proud of you.
@jeffhardylysia We hardly use the 727 anymore same with the 747.Most of those are foreign operated,We mainly use 737,757,767,777 and in the future the 787.
@jeffhardylysia Barely man. Barely. And depends on how you do the math. I did it by number of incidents vs number produced. Even then its very very close. 727: 59/of 1831 built, Tu154:32/1025. 3.2% vs 3.1% Then you have to calculate that 727s have been in service EIGHT YEARS longer than tu-154. '64 vs '72. So thats 8 more years, giving the 727 more opportunities to have accidents. With that last bit of data, I'd say the 727 is safer statistically.
@jeffhardylysia Actually the list I used was incorrect, there've only been 55 727 accidents. Of 1831 thats only 3%. So, no, the 154 does not have a better safety record.
@jeffhardylysia I admit I personally like the tu154 more. It looks better and from what I've read its very powerful. But the 727 ain't no Geo Metro. Its also powerful, and its cockpit design is superior. The 727s from the 60s were more technologically advanced than the tu-154s of the late 70s.
@jeffhardylysia overall its kind of a toss-up. If you want to tie in incidents, accidents not resulting in any deaths, the story is totally different.
@d0rkiishchris I know but Consider that the Tu-154 has had to operate out of much more harsh weather conditions and worse airfields than the 727. also, how many 727's operate PAX anymore? not many. there are still a fair few amount of Tu-154's operating in russia and the Ukraine.
Russian aircraft are not less safe than western aircraft due to their technology. It's either pilot's error like it is the case for most crashes of western planes, and due to bad management (low safety expenditures). If you compare the Tu-154 to its competitor of that time, the Boeing 727, you see that the Tu-154 was technologically ahead. It already had autothrust system, just as one example.
@AirSimming Man, don't talk to me about ignorance. I grew up in a country where I got the EXACT taste of Russian technology. Technologically-advanced has nothing to do with safety, reliability and quality.
@FlightSimTutorials Again: Russian aircraft are not less safe than western aircraft because they are Russian build/based on russian technoloogy. It's either pilot's error like it is the case for most crashes of western planes, and due to bad management (low safety expenditures).
You got the EXACT taste of Russian technology and I am the Queen of England. You did again reveal ignorance. If you would know Russian technology you wouldn't post that nonsense: Russian aircraft = crash.
@FlightSimTutorials And now we talk about facts: The Antonov 38 and Sukhoi Su-80 are the safest turboprops in the world (source: Aviation Safety Network).
And if we talk about the video above: the Tu-154 wasn't out of control because it's Russian-build. It was out of control due to a wrong connection of the hydraulic system channel cables.
Your comment that crashes of Russian aircraft are a normal thing is a troll post and based on ignorance.
That is just unbelievable that they got this down in one piece! serious adverse yaw was definitely at play here, whether it was hydraulics in the rudder, ailerons or a yaw damper gone awry. Amazing footage and also wish the best for the pilots, this had to be terrifying.
The aircraft was on a test flight after being in storage for 10 years. The pilots had a problem with the ailerons, perhaps something to do with the hydraulic system, but don't know, however they had control of the rudder and elevators. landing such a large aircraft with only rudder and elevator is difficult but not impossible. Frankly, I am more impressed by the pilot of the DHL flight a few years ago who landed with only the use of their engines after a full hydraulic failure.
I must admit, great skills of the pilot.
DwaDwadziescia 2 days ago
one more vodka please
254lele 3 weeks ago
@Byron10301 50 for every 1 727 out there
NickBaldwinLtd 4 weeks ago
dutch roll for sure,
a FYI i would fly on a 727 over a tu-154 anyday.
Jamenator1 1 month ago
LET'S SET SOMETHING STRAIGHT: Quote: "actually the 'crappy russian plane' you see has a better safety record than the boeing 727" .... well no shit, I bet you figured that out by comparing the number of 727 crashes against the number of Tu154 crashes. Well Mr genius, did you take into considerations that for every Tu154 in existence, there were probably 10 727s out there? did that affect your safety and crash probability calculations?
Byron10301 1 month ago
These aircraft cant be as bad as Ive been hearing. If they have been in service as long as 30- 40 years, I would have to say crashes are due to poor maintenance.
Windowpane767 2 months ago
side by side the wind force stop the plane and go down with out flappers,and never go to stall,and u can land safely,i did the s-turn in wrangler island(syberia) one time(20 years ago)..and believe me..i still smell my shit...it is a mandatory lesson in russian flight academy(for russian planes)...if a real pilot read this let know if i am right or wrong
theneptune2011 2 months ago
@chimandude i agree with u we call this an s-turn,this is low the altitude drastic without win in speed,a plane in dive increase in speed ,but if u do the S-TURN u fall at the same speed and u can landing safely ,if are at 6k feet and wanna landing in 3 miles..u can't do it cuz double or triple u speed, impossible land 3 times the speed landing...S-TURN u are able to loose altitude in short time and at the same speed,if like drifting a car,i spend 7 years in soviet union learning to flight ,
theneptune2011 2 months ago
In Soviet Russia, Airplane flies you!
bagdaduk 3 months ago
I'd rather be flying in a TU-154 during a three engine flame out at climb out, or even in a 70 degree uncontrolled descent in a 727, rather than having to read these spatting statisticians tossing numbers around like they really have some relevance. Flying has been the safest way to travel for years.
spore5056 3 months ago
Stupid people... That plane was not ever out of control...
chimandude 3 months ago
All my sources are from Aviation Safety Network.
Even though you are 15.8% more likely to be involved in a fatal accident in the TU-154 you're twice as likely to survive it than a 727. Therefore if you're looking at survivability the TU-154 wins over 727.
bboyjamaica 4 months ago
The TU-154 most definately does not have a safer record than the 727. There have been 1831 727's built and 112 hull losses and a total of 3783 fatalaties. That is 6.1% of hulls lost and approximately 2.066 fatalaties / airframe. The TU-154 has 1025 built with 69 hull losses. That is 6.9% of hulls that were lost, and with a total of 3009 fatalaties, that adds up to approximately 2.94 fatalaties per airframe. Fly in a TU-154 and you're almost 50% more likely to be killed than you are in a 727.
daverachlin 4 months ago
@daverachlin You are right as well as wrong about your stats. Here's why.
TU154:1025 built,69 total hull losses,39 hull losses fatal,39/1025=3.8% fatal hull losses/built,2739 fatalities
B727:1832 built,113 total hull losses,58 hull losses fatal,58/1832=3.2% fatal hull losses/built,3858 fatalities
You are 15.8% more likely to end up in a fatal accident in a TU-154 however you have a 31.1% chance of surviving a fatal accident in a TU154 & a 16.2% chance of surviving a fatal accident in a 727.
bboyjamaica 4 months ago
Пилотам огромный респект, за мягкую посадку !!! Наши пилоты лучшие ! :)
tubeseener 4 months ago
Wow!! Crazy! This plane is totally drunk! This is a miracle that they landed safely, praise the pilots!
TheLearningFish 5 months ago
Thanks for the video.
i would like to have seen the safe landing too.
malexandrec 5 months ago
@WozaGMc The president of Poland not Russia and the plane is not 'past it'
consrignornt 6 months ago
Too much vodka!
starbreez3 7 months ago
Flying coffin my ass.
RainfulPhenix 7 months ago
looks like some kind of intermittent loss of control authority to one or more control surfaces. Glad they hung on. Must have been terrifying
azspotfree 7 months ago
the flying coffin?
VolunteerBrigada 8 months ago
this is what happens when Russia pilots stop drinking
wizzzer1337 8 months ago
"Control - the Vodka burner is rolling."
"Roger that. We have Schmirnoff."
That actually looks like some kind of test flight, like they're trying to demonstration a problem or repeat a problem or diagnose a problem. Could be wrong, not sure, but that doesn't look out of control to me. It looks like they're throwing it around on purpose.
Kneedragon1962 9 months ago
@Kneedragon1962
The reason for this aircraft behavior - failure of control channels damper roll, pitch & rate (RA-56 system). The plane took off 10 years and all redone inside (not at the factory schemes) repairmens confused labeling. Here full video: watch?v=XzyUIhAyfzs
SSSidorov 8 months ago
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@SSSidorov Thank you for the link. That's pretty frightening when you watch the whole thing. Impressive piece of flying.
Kneedragon1962 8 months ago
@Kneedragon1962 Yeah, throwing it around on purpose on that altitude? That's not even safe altitude for testings that would require re-gaining the control of an aircraft.
starbreez3 7 months ago
never ever drink and fly
colin5228 9 months ago
Thats how I fly in FSX on a good day!
drbackjack 9 months ago
I love Russian Aviation! I have no problem getting on ANY Tupolev, Illuyshin or Yak!
chefwolf 10 months ago
in soviet russia, plane flies you!
adambombiswaycool 10 months ago 4
@adambombiswaycool You're absolutely right! You just spoke the truth about the safety of Russian airplanes
Cmon Russian jokes are overused -_-
MultiWatchmen 10 months ago
after a few beers
037342 10 months ago
If it was vodka it would have crashed... Much admiration for those pilots it would have been one scary ride...
bnetolldnataman 10 months ago
Its not the machine. Its the pilot. YOUR NOT IN AN AIRSHOW STOP SHOWING OFF.
My work here is done....
Trinitrotoluene101 10 months ago
Its not the machine. Its the pilot. YOUR NOT IN AN AIRSHOW STOP SHOWING OFF.
My work here is done....
Trinitrotoluene101 10 months ago
Yes, yes... "In Soviet Russia"... I wonder how long americans can laugh at the same joke... stupid wankers
gobodrodiont 10 months ago 26
@gobodrodiont I got tired of "in Soviet Russia..." jokes ages ago. Don't even get me started on Chuck Norris jokes.
TheGregEgg 10 months ago 3
@TheGregEgg
In Soviet Russia, Chuck Norris still kicks ass.
Poisonseed 8 months ago
@Poisonseed there is no such thing as soviet russia
what decade ae you living in?
consrignornt 6 months ago
@consrignornt
In Soviet Russia, decades are living in you.
Poisonseed 6 months ago
@gobodrodiont Good one, another joke about Americans.
george413337 3 months ago
@gobodrodiont in soviet Russia, comments THUMBS YOU UP!!
theblacksheep1000 2 months ago
in soviet russia..
euanhamilton27 10 months ago
That looks like Dutch roll to me,perhaps due to a yaw damper failure.
dkF16GEA 10 months ago
*STALL* ((BEEP)) *STALL* ((BEEP)) *STALL*
Hypnot47 10 months ago
The pilot landed safely, and then announced his immediate retirement from flying at the age of 34.
He hopes to find work as an undertaker and plans to make the engineering manager his first client.
TheophilusPWildbeest 10 months ago 5
yaw damper was hooked up backwards most likely, or had failed and it is mandatory on that airplane. It is a nasty dutch roll
sblack48 10 months ago
thanks God I was not in...
Eyeyinli 10 months ago
In Communist USSR plane lands YOU
khunopie 10 months ago 4
@khunopie
american idiot
consrignornt 6 months ago
@consrignornt Thank you for replying to my question, "what nationality and intellect are you, consrignornt?"
khunopie 6 months ago
it's the first flight after 10 year break for this plane, a test flight. now an investigation is being held on who gave an approval for a flight resume...
sinivaki 10 months ago
that... is a drunk pilot
ahpuesbru 10 months ago
True
Rainman0029 10 months ago
wheres the landing ???
AKENOXTRM 10 months ago
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4pattygalata4 10 months ago 36
This has been flagged as spam show
In Soviet Russia, you do not land plane, plane lands you!
8literbeater 10 months ago
That was an e-ticket ride.
SEMAChannel 10 months ago
v=mM9UM33EKqY: The plane comes in heavy, full of fuel. No time to dump. It is suffering from a control system failure whereby any input by the pilot to adjust roll results in the situation only getting worse, its called "positive feedback". The pilot executes a tight combat landing, it is an emergency, and with all that "bad news", it holds together. It lands without fire or harm. I can't image the rank and experience behind the pilot, but he is no doubt a leader among leaders.
Rainman0029 10 months ago 5
I think someone should call the Guinness Book of World Records because I think that pilot set a record of saying "Shit" the most times in a row. "shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit", that's what I would be saying the entire time.
mitchwayne07 10 months ago 3
deactivated the autopilot while having sex with a stewardess
danieldeibler 10 months ago 2
Stability derivatives on the aileron and rudder controls have a delta movement malfunction. I'm an aerospace engineer, i studied this stuff last week.
rustlerboi1052 10 months ago
@rustlerboi1052 if you're still in school then i don't think you get to call yourself an 'engineer' yet. ;)
Markduderino 10 months ago
@Markduderino
Engineer in training!
rustlerboi1052 10 months ago
why everyone is surprised, russia never made one good thing and now expect to make a good plane
hazemvirus 10 months ago
Well it's a Russian-made aircraft.....crashes are a normal thing with those planes.
FlightSimTutorials 10 months ago 5
@FlightSimTutorials What are you on about? Russian's have some of the best planes in the world.
MatejaJanosevic 10 months ago 2
@FlightSimTutorials actually the 'crappy russian plane' you see has a better safety record than the boeing 727...
jeffhardylysia 10 months ago 38
@jeffhardylysia If only it really did.
LOLHAMMER45678 10 months ago
@jeffhardylysia Irrespective of how crappy the Tu-154 is, and we are never told of any Russian areo accidents incidentally, this video shows the great skill of the pilots in keeping their heads in what was clearly a brown stain the pants situation, and keeping that aircraft flying and then recovering and landing safely. Well done to the crew you've made Mother Russia proud of you.
bushranger51 10 months ago
@jeffhardylysia no it doesnt
wizzair1313 6 months ago
@jeffhardylysia We hardly use the 727 anymore same with the 747.Most of those are foreign operated,We mainly use 737,757,767,777 and in the future the 787.
1bearcatf8f 2 months ago
@1bearcatf8f I know, I was referring to when both aircraft were at their peak of operation
jeffhardylysia 2 months ago
@jeffhardylysia Barely man. Barely. And depends on how you do the math. I did it by number of incidents vs number produced. Even then its very very close. 727: 59/of 1831 built, Tu154:32/1025. 3.2% vs 3.1% Then you have to calculate that 727s have been in service EIGHT YEARS longer than tu-154. '64 vs '72. So thats 8 more years, giving the 727 more opportunities to have accidents. With that last bit of data, I'd say the 727 is safer statistically.
d0rkiishchris 1 month ago
@jeffhardylysia Actually the list I used was incorrect, there've only been 55 727 accidents. Of 1831 thats only 3%. So, no, the 154 does not have a better safety record.
d0rkiishchris 1 month ago
@jeffhardylysia I admit I personally like the tu154 more. It looks better and from what I've read its very powerful. But the 727 ain't no Geo Metro. Its also powerful, and its cockpit design is superior. The 727s from the 60s were more technologically advanced than the tu-154s of the late 70s.
d0rkiishchris 1 month ago
@jeffhardylysia overall its kind of a toss-up. If you want to tie in incidents, accidents not resulting in any deaths, the story is totally different.
d0rkiishchris 1 month ago
@d0rkiishchris I know but Consider that the Tu-154 has had to operate out of much more harsh weather conditions and worse airfields than the 727. also, how many 727's operate PAX anymore? not many. there are still a fair few amount of Tu-154's operating in russia and the Ukraine.
jeffhardylysia 1 month ago
@FlightSimTutorials Your comment reveals ignorance.
Russian aircraft are not less safe than western aircraft due to their technology. It's either pilot's error like it is the case for most crashes of western planes, and due to bad management (low safety expenditures). If you compare the Tu-154 to its competitor of that time, the Boeing 727, you see that the Tu-154 was technologically ahead. It already had autothrust system, just as one example.
AirSimming 5 months ago
@AirSimming Man, don't talk to me about ignorance. I grew up in a country where I got the EXACT taste of Russian technology. Technologically-advanced has nothing to do with safety, reliability and quality.
FlightSimTutorials 5 months ago
@FlightSimTutorials Again: Russian aircraft are not less safe than western aircraft because they are Russian build/based on russian technoloogy. It's either pilot's error like it is the case for most crashes of western planes, and due to bad management (low safety expenditures).
You got the EXACT taste of Russian technology and I am the Queen of England. You did again reveal ignorance. If you would know Russian technology you wouldn't post that nonsense: Russian aircraft = crash.
AirSimming 5 months ago
@FlightSimTutorials And now we talk about facts: The Antonov 38 and Sukhoi Su-80 are the safest turboprops in the world (source: Aviation Safety Network).
And if we talk about the video above: the Tu-154 wasn't out of control because it's Russian-build. It was out of control due to a wrong connection of the hydraulic system channel cables.
Your comment that crashes of Russian aircraft are a normal thing is a troll post and based on ignorance.
AirSimming 5 months ago
it must have crashed thats why they dont have the landing..maybe! i cannot see this plane making it.
seatgurus 10 months ago
@seatgurus Sorry to disappoint, but here is the landing part: youtube. com/ watch?v= mM9UM33EKqY
Extremely impressive airmanship, if you ask me... I thought they had no chance with such a huge control problem.
RaoX77 10 months ago
vodka??
aviator147 10 months ago 3
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zebidee55 10 months ago
@zebidee55 You clearly know nothing about aircrafts....:)
PilotMan1944 10 months ago
@PilotMan1944 I withdraw the comment. I've now seen two other videos taken from other angles - this video is legit.
zebidee55 10 months ago
Sorry, have to post this...
In Soviet Russia, airplane flies you!
coolamber8 10 months ago
@coolamber8 in dumb fuck america pilots take off from and land on wrong runways killing hundreds...
consrignornt 6 months ago
That is just unbelievable that they got this down in one piece! serious adverse yaw was definitely at play here, whether it was hydraulics in the rudder, ailerons or a yaw damper gone awry. Amazing footage and also wish the best for the pilots, this had to be terrifying.
cardinaldriver 10 months ago
UA 232 anybody?
Jetsg0 10 months ago
I want to see the landing!
MrElSatan 10 months ago 23
@MrElSatan landing /watch?v=QOfIj17WJBw
akultar 10 months ago
@MrElSatan watch?v=QOfIj17WJBw
boromirra 10 months ago
@MrElSatan Full version of the video is here:
/watch?v=XzyUIhAyfzs
holiloday 5 months ago
I'd say its a lack of vertical stabilizer or too much drag up front, but I fly RC, not full scale.
SketchRC 10 months ago
@SketchRC
The aircraft was on a test flight after being in storage for 10 years. The pilots had a problem with the ailerons, perhaps something to do with the hydraulic system, but don't know, however they had control of the rudder and elevators. landing such a large aircraft with only rudder and elevator is difficult but not impossible. Frankly, I am more impressed by the pilot of the DHL flight a few years ago who landed with only the use of their engines after a full hydraulic failure.
HDaviator 10 months ago 3
@HDaviator i remember that, what a pilot!
MrMilesmert 10 months ago
@HDaviator oh, that would make more sense. and i haven't heard of that, but it sure does sound impressive!
SketchRC 10 months ago
Damn TU's, they're more dangerous than guns.
Neutrinoghost 10 months ago
Has anyone ever checked out the TU-154's avionics for deffects yet ?
mrnewagemotor 10 months ago
plane had vodka instead of aviation fuel in it
efastMixer 10 months ago
it looks like some kind of dutch rowww you guys should look for the yaw damper
gustavo87467357 10 months ago
Wow those are some good pilots.
Bet they had to clean some stains of the seats afterward
flynmid 10 months ago
I blame vodka.
geargemartin 10 months ago