This man is blowing hot air and hoping it passes as an argument. Atheists like Dawkins who respect science do not follow some dogma taken at face value without question as theists do. Science continually searches for truth, discarding old ideas once they have been disproven and works to further understanding of the nature of all things. Theists are generally stuck with something created by primitive societies thousands of years ago and exist as anachronisms in the modern world.
Tolerance is a virtue, but it does have boundaries. It's actually strange to request tolerance for ancient beliefs that have yet to come up with evidence and bearing. I believe in freedom of religion, that's tolerance, but religion should not influence politics, that's absonant. If Christians stayed out of other people's lives I'm sure they would face less antagonism. You can't harass homosexuals, ban abortion and stem cell research and at the same time demand tolerance.
Those comments you read out are a little offensive granted, but if we compare them to the Bible, with it's rape, murder, genocide and assorted violence, they rather pale into insignificance in comparison.
If the Bible were a film, it would be rated XXX because of all the sex & violence in it, yet the Bible is given to young kids to read. If there wasn't someone interpreting it for them, they would have difficulty in identifying ANY 'moral guidance' in there, It's THAT primitive and intolerant.
ok, the point you make at 5:30 is just plain incorrect. Christianity is inherintly intolerant (not the opposite, as you falsely propose), it outlines that unless you believe in their version of god, you will go to hell, regardless of your actual morality. If you are a Christian that has actually thought about what it says in the scripture, you will realise that you are either not a Christian or you believe that anyone who isn't a Christian will suffer damnation for eternity and they deserve to
Is this guy for real? Has he never been on the internet before? Every argument on the internet ever degenerates into namecalling, regardless of who is arguing.
I agree with your assessment about humans, but religion is sectarian by nature. "The fool said in his heart there is no God". Your holybook itself endorses bigotry & predjudice. The fact that you endorse the book speaks for itself.
@mjhallfs "lying and deceit to defend the bible are justified, you are doing your god's work"
Once again, you might have to explain yourself here. You see, you atheists seem to have such little argumentative capability, that all you seem capable of is throwing personal attacks without providing evidence or reasons to support those attacks.
Yep Christians are much more tolerant, I mean 'The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”' (Psalm 14:1) is extremely tolerant. Also believing that someone, who has a different belief about supernatural gods (be it another religion or atheism), deserves eternal torture is also really tolerant. Even if you just happen to love the wrong person you set for eternal damnation. But that intolerance is not real intolerance, because you're just trying to warn us before it's to late... right?
I love how these christians have porno style music in the background of an apologetics video. They love spreading the gospel message "Alllll night long."
Why do these videos keep using the ambiguous term "atheist intolerance"? I know they mean "intolerance of atheists" but it can also be seen as meaning "intolerance by atheists." Be clear when you name a video.
"...I know that plenty of Christians have been just as blindly devoted and bigoted over the years, but at least in theory when Christians do this they're acting against something at the core of their faith." In general atheists highly value free speech and science, two things that are almost always at ends with organized religion. A great example of this is Galileo's case, where the Catholic Church banned his book, forced him to apologize, and then put him on house arrest.
@CarlosMarti123 How does Galileo's Catholicism factor into his vicious treatment by the Catholic Church? To continue that line of thought, doesn't that make the crime so much more sickening, that the Catholic Church would prosecute a fellow Catholic just because he presented a theory that opposed the (then) official stance on reality?
But your claim that the abuse of religion constitutes the invalidity of religion is ridiculous. The source of corruption is, not true religion itself, but man, and those who sway religion to their own interests.
@CarlosMarti123 This is completely untrue, as noone's interests were served in the systematic denial of Galileo's findings about the solar system except that of the collective of the Church. There was no reason in condemning Galileo except to preserve the Church's false monopoly on the truth. Sounds a bit 1984-esque, doesn't it? And yet that's how it was.
@PhobicOne "This is completely untrue, as noone's interests were served in the systematic denial of Galileo's findings about the solar system except that of the collective of the Church."
PRECISELY, you dolt. Read the last part of your statement.
"There was no reason in condemning Galileo except to preserve the Church's false monopoly on the truth. Sounds a bit 1984-esque, doesn't it? And yet that's how it was."
Uh-huh, and? What bearance does this have on our discussion?
@CarlosMarti123 Well, the whole point of the conversation you charged into like some retarded bull was that the concepts of free speech and the scientific method are at ends with the Catholic Church. The example was of the trial and house arrest of Galileo. Now that you've accepted that this is a valid example, I think it's justified to tell you to GTFO and READ THE FUCKING CONVERSATIONS YOU BUTT INTO BEFORE YOU POST SOME APOLOGETIC BULLSHIT.
@PhobicOne "Well, the whole point of the conversation you charged into like some [I am a retarded bull] was that the concepts of free speech and the scientific method are at ends with the Catholic Church."
Nope. I said that people abusing religion doesn't make it untrue. It's that simple.
@CarlosMarti123 And there's no reason to believe it IS true, that simple. Although don't lie, you wanted to be contradictory in some childish attempt to make me look wrong. Now you look stupid and I'm pissed off that yet another retarded apologist decided to reanimate a conversation that's been dead for weeks.
Don't bother responding again. I'm not going to bother with yet another fucking religious apologist.
@PhobicOne "Now you look stupid and I'm pissed off that yet another retarded apologist decided to reanimate a conversation that's been dead for weeks."
Funny, you can't attack the points I make, but instead attack the fact that I AM making points. Way to go.
"Don't bother responding again. I'm not going to bother with yet another fucking religious apologist."
Seems then that you don't have the balls to handle the truth :)
@PhobicOne "The example was of the trial and house arrest of Galileo. Now that you've accepted that this is a valid example"
Which I did not.
"I think it's justified to tell you [that I am a retarded three-year-old that will continue to ramble and throw insults at you in the hope that you will express some kind of sympthathy for my stupidity in retaliating with such insults]."
"...First was the pure devotion atheists have to Richard Dawkins, the outrage some obviously felt at our probing of Dawkins' style and agenda was similar to that of the worst religious fundamentalists when their pastor is hammered in the media, or when the founder of their religion (whether Jesus or Mohammed) is ridiculed by unbelievers." Because Atheists threaten to bomb churches, synagogues and mosques and threaten to behead/torture believers for speaking their mind.
Can any religious person think for a second what this world would be like without religion? I think we as people would grow further and respect the earth more instead of fighting amongst one another of who's imaginary friend is the right one and become enlightened by our own ingenuity and technological progress.
I suppose what I was getting at was the sanctions that would be imposed upon somone if they chose to be intolerant. For religious people the ultimate is that they will be treated less well than a tolerant person in an afterlife. As atheists dont believe in an afterlife this check and balance isn't there for them.
I suppose I could rephrase the question as is fear of a apoor afterlife the only driver for people to be tolerant. If not then why done these reason apply to atheist too?
@funkynosejob We have a fair amount of evidence that points the evolution of morality. We are social animals, 10000 years ago we couldn't survive on our own, having rules is a very useful strategy to keep a social group alive. almost every group needs rules to survive. A lot of other social species have something that could be called morality. My point is that maybe we are moral because our ancestors benefited from morality, and not because we fear hell.
HAHAHAAAHAHAH!!! PRICELESS!! Christians calling atheists intolerant - Christians are the reason I can't get married. Christians are the reason diseases like Parkinson's are still around. Christians are the reason condoms got a bad wrap early on. Intolerance = religion.
WTF is irreligion?
Atheist is just a word for - "Keep your god out of my hair, please"
i can understand richard's anger. Sometimes anger is necessary if you tell the world is round in stead of flat. You blame Richard for creating overly loyal followers, but science is the only place where theories are challenged. Grace or tolarance is just a charming type of agreeing to disagree. I disagree, but I respect your opinion even though i feel it is based on illusion or fear.
Since when does speaking out against something qualify as intolerance? Who cares about words, really? Intolerance is killing people who disagree with you, voting to limit their rights.
Hard to show tolerance to human's with limited intelligence. If we are to survive, we have to move away for human's with limited intellect and a believe in an invisible man shitting on people from the sky. You religious fools continue to try to make atheism some kind of belief and it is that, that become intolerable. Death to all religion, long live intelligence, if you believe in god you are small minded and ignorant. Grow up.. please for all of our sakes. Humanity needs to be freed.
I agree with that last statement completely but again I must point out that in this country, it has usually been the non-believers who catch the majority of the grief. As long as there are people out there blithely assuming that they have intimate, certain knowledge concerning things that are, quite frankly, beyond human understanding and arrogantly chastise others for not following their path, there will be people like me there to make them feel uncomfortable at every turn.
Oh, and while were at it, why don't we go talk to all the grieving families who had to endure listening to Fred Phelps's adorable little congregation picket their loved ones funerals, spewing their dogmatic tripe at them in the most disrespectful and shameful manner possible? Sheeeiiit dawg, I don't think we'd even need a time machine for that!
@OuchMyGlands666 Okay, I agree with you there. Pulling a stunt like that against the grieving family was sheer disrespect and spite; pure and simple.
Having said that, it's not WHAT they are saying that is the problem, its HOW they are saying it. I would have no problem with these people proclaiming their beliefs if they did so in a civil manner.
@marcusabsent37 We'll answer that once you explain while so called "loving" and "tolerant" theists have been resorting to those tactics (and far, far worse) to "prove" your point for centuries. :)
@OuchMyGlands666 First of all, I didn't say all theists were tolerant. I personally think that I can be tolerant of other religions to an extent, but at some point I have to say that they are wrong. Any belief that deals in absolutes must have some degree of intolerance--that is, if someone is right, someone else is obviously wrong. Put simply, tolerance is often not a part of religion belief. There is no "Thou shalt tolerate other beliefs" commandment. Quite the opposite, in fact.
@marcusabsent37 Actually, didn't your Jesus say "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself" and "Love thy neighbor"? What, was the "UNLESS HE HAPPENS TO BE A GODLESS HEATHEN PINKO BASTARD" amendment edited out or something?
@OuchMyGlands666 He did say those things. So, we ought not take it upon ourselves to "judge" others. However, He also said "Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength." God is placed above men. As a Christian, I have to draw the line at certain beliefs, and say that they are wrong. That is no different than what anyone who believes anything does.
@marcusabsent37 You fail to take into account the idea that if you had been born in a predominantly Muslim country, you would be saying the same thing about Islam. You would be saying that Allah is placed above men. You would be saying that "as a Muslim..."
And by the way, I highly doubt that abortion is strictly practiced by atheists. Nice try, though.
If you look at all the "religion vs. atheism" videos on youtube, you'll see just as many christians being insulting dicks.
@OuchMyGlands666 Didn't I just say that Muslims say that? Are you listening? Muslims think that we are wrong just like we think they are wrong. Social values, not religion, require us to be tolerant of other views. Atheists will quickly point out when religious people are intolerant, but honestly, they are not much better.
@OuchMyGlands666 O I get what you're saying. That I'm only Christian because I was brought up that way, and I was brought up that way. However, many atheists have come to Christianity and other religions; it doesn't just go one way.
And I have personally challenged my faith. I have thought about it logically; many Christians have. That probably surprises you. So you and Dawkins can cut the shit about Christians taking their faith for granted; you just don't know what you're talking about.
@OuchMyGlands666 I'm sure there are Christians have committed abortions, just like there are Christians who have robbed people or committed murder. The problem is that atheists don't recognize the life inside the mother, and thus have no problem with abortion, and are much more likely commit it again and again, rather than being isolated incidents.
@marcusabsent37 That's funny, I'm an atheist and I recognized the life inside of my girlfriend the moment she informed my that my Imperial Troops had entered her base. Way to negate any value your comment might have had by slinging bargain bin generalizations.
@OuchMyGlands666 On the comments in the videos, you're dodging the issue. I didn't say that all of the christians were polite and civil. I said many of the atheists are not, which you seem to have trouble admitting. Basically, you're saying, "They're doing it, so we should be able to do it too." That's a very childish attitude to take.
@marcusabsent37 Here's the thing. I never said that atheists are generally polite and civil. I never even implied it. Then again, we don't have a sub-clause in our world view that demands that we be nice to other people. So, way to "put words in my mouth", metaphorically speaking.
Besides, theists have been shoving their views down our throats and giving us grief over ours for CENTURIES. I've never heard of anyone being given a hard time in the work place for believing in god. However, I have
@marcusabsent37 continued... I have PERSONALLY been given the shit end of the stick at work because I mistakenly thought that I had just as much right to mention my lack of belief as the god squad had to loudly preach their faith.
So yeah. If you really think about it, this is just a matter of the shoe finally being on the other foot. Quit playing the victim card, sack up and deal with it.
From an atheist's perspective, one shouldn't have a problem with another's belief, because it doesn't ultimately concern them. As far as atheists are concerned, everyone is going to the same place anyway.
@OuchMyGlands666 On the other hand, a Christian has an obligation to preach their faith, as Jesus commanded his disciples. We are trying to help people turn to God and escape from everlasting punishment, so we (ay least most of us) are trying to help. I know you don't see it that way, but there it is.
About your own victimization, that is unfortunate. Because while we are commanded to preach our faith, we must admit that, at the end of the day, we cannot make you believe in God; it has to be your choice. This is also bad because it paints Christianity in general in a bad light (as you seem to have done).
Personally, I don't think either side should have to deal with abuse. It is everyone's right to practice the faith they choose.
@OuchMyGlands666 On the other hand, one of atheism's big selling points is tolerance. "We don't really care what you believe, we just disagree. Let's leave each other alone" Look on any religious related video on youtube, and you can see that this is not the case; there are atheists bashing religious beliefs left and right.
@marcusabsent37 Tell ya what, let's build a time machine. Let's go interview all the native Central Americans who were slaughtered wholesale by the Spaniards because they wouldn't convert to christianity. Let's talk to the 17 innocent people who were murdered during the Salem Witch Trials. Let's talk to the 50,000 + people killed for not being christian during the Spanish Inquisition. Let's see how much sympathy they have for you being insulted for your beliefs.
@OuchMyGlands666 I never said that Christianity has never persecuted anyone. And I'm not trying to get sympathy; I'm trying to prove a point. Atheists will look at that and say "See, we don't do that." But while they don't murder anyone (except innocent unborn children), there is plenty of printed abuse on the internet and the media.
@OuchMyGlands666 Additionally, atheists always claim to have scientific evidence and reason to back up their claims, yet rarely do they actually present it and debate. You'd think they would leap at the oppurtunity. Instead, they spend most of their time putting down "God wads" and Jesus freaks," and summarily insulting the intelligence of anyone who believes in a God. What do you make of that?
@marcusabsent37 First off, if that statement was any more inaccurate it would be... hell, I don't even know what it would be. Nine times out of ten, when I see a debate between atheists and theists, the atheist provides provide any scientific theories/evidence they know of while the theist regurgitates scripture.
@OuchMyGlands666 First of all, would you please count how many times I quoted scripture in this argument?
While you're at it, take a look at this page of comments and see just how "tolerant" atheists are. Also, see how many of them just say, "Christians are retarded," or some other bullshit, instead of reasonable argument. I'll give you a hint; it's not the 1 out of 10 that you claimed.
The last video was drivel to put it politely & without substance. Yes it was polite, but that doesn't mean it actually made sense. If anything it had a somewhat patronising and childish, especially the part about the evidence for and against. If the biggest 3 he could come up with included 'because the world is beautiful' (which is a subjective opinion), yet failed to acknowledge mountains against it (like dinosaurs for instance?!!). Saying both sides need to make proof is insane.
We (atheists) are pissed because you choose to ignore proven scientific evidence and indoctrinate people, and specially children on fairy tales, myths and superstitions.
You are the ones who get sensitive and indignant when anyone questions or criticizes your "holy" book.
When choosing a world view id like the choose the one that is based on truth. Id rather know the truth and be pissed off the rest of my life, then to convince myself to believe in an old mythical book that promises me il go to magic land!
But as a matter of fact im much happier as an atheist so its a complete win win situation in my case.
I think it proves how ignorant these videos are, that in an attempt to alleviate the aggression provoked by the previous video, this one ends up filled with even worse inadvertently inflammatory material.
One other thing, the responses it quoted were spot on! If this is the worst of the atheist community we're doing pretty well!
I understand all of your very valid points. However, i must say (about the "blind devotion" thing) that atheists are devoted to this Dawkins guy because he presents the truth WITH proof and evidence. Whereas Christians present their "truth" WITHOUT evidence nor proof.
but other than that little technicality, your arguments were very enlightening and valid and intriguing. you sir are a very intelligent man.
So, what's this quote mining I've heard of? I have no idea what it is. I'm sure this video does not express such an explicit quality but what do I know.
i loved them messages from atheists. they were all RIGHT, its obious he picked the ones with the most swearing in them because he didnt understand the point. the last one especially
using big words like "ad hominem attacks" was sweet irony. it could have been about this video itself, i guess this guy has no idea what it means though. the only stupid on was the "dawkins is the phrothet" and that was either a plant or a troll
Atheists and agnostics don't necessarily have a unified world view and that is because they are not a unified group. Now i would argue that this is a good thing because it leads people to live as they want, rather than someone telling them how to live. I would however like point out that being on a christian website talking about atheism (likening Dawkins to a cult leader in this video) is not the way to go about this. just because you are more subtle doesn't mean it isn't just as hateful
jesus christ these guys are so obnoxious that they made a video to cry about the messages they received in response to a video.
Criticism is something you would expect when making a youtube video, to CRY the Amazon River in response to those criticisms, instead of contemplating their argument, is simply pitiful. This video is an affront to the principles of debate and argument.
Faith and atheism aren't exactly on equal ground, logically speaking. The growth of knowledge has led a long, steady path away from the notion of God. Atheists see this simple truth but when they try to communicate it, they are met with illogical responses, closedmindedness, and character attacks. You probably shouldn't expect every atheist to tolerate these things gracefully. Many religious folks are smug and condescending towards atheists - it's not a one way street.
Is there anything abuot being an athiest that prevent intollerence? Yes. When an atheist hurts someone by being intollerent, they cant privately appologise to a god, say they feel sorry and so are forgiven. They have to live with it, knowing that moment is in their finite life and if they want forgiveness they need to seek it from the wronged person and that person only. This means intollerence has a much greater consequence for atheists in my opinion. Sadly the comment box is too small. :(
What rubbish is he saying at 6:04 . Lol chirstian are intolerant. Take the spanish inqustion and crusades - they clearly werent very tolarant of non belivers.
And what about gays clearly not very tolerant of them either
Regarding the reason WHY we should be moral, I think this analogy sums up the difference between religion and atheism quite nicely: Religion treats people like children, who must be forced to behave themselves by being alternately bribed (heaven) and threatened (hell). Atheism treats people like adults, who have learned from experience that good behaviour benefits themselves and others.
Religion has an "in-built check against intolerance"? History clearly shows that religion perpetually breeds intolerance, both of opposing faiths and "non-believers". There is no such record of atheist intolerence. Remember the atheist witch trials? The atheist inquisition? The atheist Crusades? Nope...me neither.
The moment I tell someone I'm an Atheist regardless of my actions I am told that I'm going to burn in Hell. Where's the peace, love, and compassion for others?
We tried to be nice and quiet and let thing be. But it was Christians who struck the first blow with "Creationism" regardless of it's modern day tag to be taught in the schools.
"Teach the controversy"? Yes, let's also teach Alchemy AND Chemistry.
The Stork verses Sex on how human procreate, and other OBVIOUS nonsense
Technically christianity is one step away from atheism anyways (no offense to atheists haha)
Because to a christian there is merely one way to salvation, and one divine entity; certainly this is closer to atheism than any polytheistic religion of ancient lore, or modern hinduism/buddhism
Tolerating Christianity is like tolerating a retard in the room. He's there, and he's really fucking annoying, you can't say anything because it's socially unacceptable, but you really just want him out of the fucking room.
The atheist responses were "not measured," and "intolerant?" At least none threatened "eternal" torture.
Feelings are *not* evidence. There is *no* evidence for *any* god. Creation myths *are* childish.
Examining evidence is the only way to separate fantasy from reality, so it is not "intolerant" to demand evidence before accepting that a claim is true.
Faith -- belief without evidence and/or despite evidence to the contrary -- is irrational.
Since you didn't explain what sky diving has to do with faith, I'll assume you're implying that it takes faith to trust a parachute will open. If that is what you meant, you're wrong. It's about expectation based on experience, not faith.
My brother was a skydiver, and he never would have trusted his chute on faith. He knew it was rated for his weight category, and had been checked and packed by someone with many years of experience. He would have been foolish to do otherwise.
Wow. You ignored everything I wrote. Expectation based on experience is *not* faith. Lots of people have parachuted without mishap. Sure, there are some acccidents, but that's a calculated risk. The odds are that your chute will open because they usually do. That does *not* require faith.
You seem unable to comprehend a simple concept: there are people who get along just fine without lying to themselves. You should try it sometime.
I suggest that you go skydiving, and instead of making sure your chute has been checked and packed by someone with experience, just mash it into the case. Don't even bother with the reserve. You won't need it since you have faith.
There are two definitions of faith: belief without evidence, and belief based on circumstantial evidence. Faith that a parachute will work is the latter kind of belief, because there is strong circumstantial evidence that parachutes work.
Faith that a god exists is belief without evidence (a feeling while praying/meditating, wishing it were so, mass delusion, and old books written before the age of scientific explanation don't count), and is not a virtue. It is an insult to human intelligence.
When christians are acting as bigots, they are acting within their core values, not against them. The fact is that you must be a bigot to be a christian.
Christian tolerance? This vid had me sneering at the end. Its message is just a bit despicable. I'm tolerant of people by default, but not ideas. I'm not tolerant when history is rewritten or denied, or when groups are persecuted.
Christian tolerance is that you will be tolerated as long as you pretend at the least, that they are right and NEVER NEVER dare to challenge their beliefs.
You ALL NEED to be put into RE EDUCATION CAMPS and deprogrammed. Your children need to be taken away from you and sanitized from your Evangelical Delusions.
Those comments signaled that atheists were being intolerant?
Wow. I'd love to hear what this guy would say if he were actually being persecuted for his beliefs instead of being in a country where 2/3rds of people believe the Bible is literally true.
I know, right? This is so ridiculous. After coming back here to see the comment you left I couldn't help but watch this vid again and laugh at it again.
With the intollerant attitude Christians express against homosexuals, I hardly feel you have a leg to stand on. Your Bible barely mentions it, but Your pulpits are filled with anti-homosexual messages. Why? Christ never mentioned it, It wasn't mentioned in the BIG 10, WHY?
Yeah, some of the atheist's responses were hostile, but attack the arguments, not the people. I think you'll find that the atheists are correct about Dawkins, he's a pretty happy fellow and he's simply passionate about truth.
He's passionate about truth, even if the truth he's passionate about it just in his head. Which, I'm pretty confidence, it isn't. He's a world-renowned evolutionary biologist, he literally wrote the book on what is now accepted science; The Selfish Gene. His credentials are solid.
@TheWALOS attacking the poeple is called a ad hominem attack the last message was epic because it was calling creationists out for using ad hominem attacks as they used the message in question IN a ad hominem attack... true meta-humor.
He's a classic salesman who happens to be a con artist.
Have you actually read anything he wrote?
I have. It's indistinguishable from any sales pitch. Pure brainwashing - all mobbing, ridicule, rhetorics... no facts, no arguments and no science. Like a boring blog - all rants and no material.
LOL! This idiot in the video says "yeah I know Christians get angry about their points of view too but at least they are acting by their devotion to Jesus". Oh the hypocrisy of it all.....
SO true., I agree with these comment in the video and I am atheist.
Its not too bad when people are genuiely ignorant of evoultion. That can be fixed with education. ( and Darkwn attempts to educatated people on evoultion)
But when people deliberatly go about spreading lies about evoultion ( usally to promote there relgion) that is another story
Religious people are simpletons. They inflict 2 thousand years worth of supression of knowledge, inflict death penalties, slander, theft, torture, burning people to death etc, and expect tollerance.
Tollerance of intollerance only promotes more intollerance.
Murdering surgeons becasue they disagree, blowing up people, honor killings, death penalties for apostacy, etc.
Religious intolerance and attrocious behavior is infuriating to say the least.
The same goes the other way. Atheists are just as intollerant to people who claim psi skills. Or for anything out of the oridinary, they verbally burn people alive for saying they can see aura's for example.
People are ridiculed for making such claims.
It's always best to keep an open mind, after all it was the consensus the world was flat at one time, and they used to murder people for suggesting otherwise.
Also, you ask what, if any, "safeguards" we have against intolerance as atheists. My answer is this... No, and neither do you. Your safegaurd you say is the words of jesus, yet, you admit yourself that christians don't always follow this. I believe most do not, but that doesn't matter. But why do we need rules for behavior, or threat of eternal damnation or bribe of eternal life to be good people? Can we not be good simply to be good? I am an atheist and a good person, and i'm damn proud of it.
In my opinion, only one of the comments read in this video were even slightly "intolerant", the other 2 of the 3 that used vulgarities and insults were certainly less than kind, but they were aimed at the speaker in the video himself, not christianity. And, I for one do no follow anyone, even dawkins, period, especially blindly. I am a freethinking human. However, I have great respect for him for his knowledgability and his gentlemenly nature.
'you're an asshat" is not intolerant, just argumentative. "you're an evil fucking FAGGOT and God will burn you in hell forever you FUCK!!!" That's intolerant.
It is not a "devotion to Dawkins".. it is a devotion to reason and logic. Two things that NO religion can succesfully incoporate since theirs is strictly a faith based belief (i.e. a belief without evidence) and infact , a belief despite real evidence that clearly contradicts it.
Would you not be frustrated if someone kept telling you something were true even though you not only knew different but had presented hard evidence that backed your argument? Evidence that was conveniently ignored?
You may say Dawkins is angry, and his criticism may be harsh.
But I feel its time for us to say something a bit harsh.
And on the intolerance of atheist's your book tell you to kill us.T
hey entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB
Bobo the magic sky turtle loves u all. we should bow down to His will and accept Him as our master.
try having hundreds of people say that to you and saying you deserve to be tortured. it gets frustrating hearing that and also hearing them call there gods "loving" gods
This man is blowing hot air and hoping it passes as an argument. Atheists like Dawkins who respect science do not follow some dogma taken at face value without question as theists do. Science continually searches for truth, discarding old ideas once they have been disproven and works to further understanding of the nature of all things. Theists are generally stuck with something created by primitive societies thousands of years ago and exist as anachronisms in the modern world.
lunhil12 4 months ago
Tolerance is a virtue, but it does have boundaries. It's actually strange to request tolerance for ancient beliefs that have yet to come up with evidence and bearing. I believe in freedom of religion, that's tolerance, but religion should not influence politics, that's absonant. If Christians stayed out of other people's lives I'm sure they would face less antagonism. You can't harass homosexuals, ban abortion and stem cell research and at the same time demand tolerance.
DrHowbeit 5 months ago 2
@DrHowbeit Amen to that!
lunhil12 4 months ago
Those comments you read out are a little offensive granted, but if we compare them to the Bible, with it's rape, murder, genocide and assorted violence, they rather pale into insignificance in comparison.
If the Bible were a film, it would be rated XXX because of all the sex & violence in it, yet the Bible is given to young kids to read. If there wasn't someone interpreting it for them, they would have difficulty in identifying ANY 'moral guidance' in there, It's THAT primitive and intolerant.
AsDeadAsDillinger 5 months ago
ok, the point you make at 5:30 is just plain incorrect. Christianity is inherintly intolerant (not the opposite, as you falsely propose), it outlines that unless you believe in their version of god, you will go to hell, regardless of your actual morality. If you are a Christian that has actually thought about what it says in the scripture, you will realise that you are either not a Christian or you believe that anyone who isn't a Christian will suffer damnation for eternity and they deserve to
Moppy1988 5 months ago
Is this guy for real? Has he never been on the internet before? Every argument on the internet ever degenerates into namecalling, regardless of who is arguing.
Moppy1988 5 months ago
@JackEverton1878 Happened in South Park bro
Moppy1988 5 months ago
I just haven't seen any credible evidence of any God or Gods. Nothing more.
iversonmatthew 5 months ago
I agree with your assessment about humans, but religion is sectarian by nature. "The fool said in his heart there is no God". Your holybook itself endorses bigotry & predjudice. The fact that you endorse the book speaks for itself.
Fishqueen1972 6 months ago
"atheists belief system" did you just say that
purewilderness 6 months ago
@purewilderness lol thats like saying ''The alcoholism of non-alcoholics'' haha..
Vikramthewhite 5 months ago
Joke.
1337DementedOne 7 months ago
He's angry because the world is filled with morons like you.
piemakesmelol 8 months ago
@piemakesmelol Indeed...
XTYNoLuck 8 months ago
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@mjhallfs "a little pathetic apologist"
1. Is that an argument or an opinion?
2. Do I care about your opinion?
"but you do serve a positive purpose"
Indeed. Showing how irrational people like you are.
CarlosMarti123 8 months ago
@mjhallfs Useless in intellectual discourse? Look who's talking. ^_^
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@mjhallfs "Defense of faith is in itself non-scientific"
Mhm, and defense of science is non-scientific. Catch my drift?
"so believing is a sky buddy gives you an edge?"
I don't believe in a sky buddy, though I feel sorry if you do.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@mjhallfs Deluded (de·lud·ed) a YouTube user called "mjhallfs"
Prove that I have no grasp of the scientific method.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@mjhallfs "it is just that a sane person might see it all as being maladjusted, mentally ill or being a even a social misfit"
You're maladjusted, mentally ill, or a social misfit? Well that explains it all.
"and you have the balls when you should have tried for brains"
Sorry but, unlike you, I think with my brains, not my balls :)
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@mjhallfs "lying and deceit to defend the bible are justified, you are doing your god's work"
Once again, you might have to explain yourself here. You see, you atheists seem to have such little argumentative capability, that all you seem capable of is throwing personal attacks without providing evidence or reasons to support those attacks.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@mjhallfs "don't worry christian.. enjoy your faith"
Why, thank you.
"there is (temporary) comfort in being deluded, there is bliss in ignorance"
The problem here is, you haven't demonstrated WHY I'm deluded or WHY I'm in ignorance. How about you try explaining yourself, for once?
"different flavors of your god or divisions of which (trinity) are coherent and original"
Ok, I couldn't grasp any comprehensibility from that sentence.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
Yep Christians are much more tolerant, I mean 'The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”' (Psalm 14:1) is extremely tolerant. Also believing that someone, who has a different belief about supernatural gods (be it another religion or atheism), deserves eternal torture is also really tolerant. Even if you just happen to love the wrong person you set for eternal damnation. But that intolerance is not real intolerance, because you're just trying to warn us before it's to late... right?
crax83 9 months ago
@EdwardVonFishington No, I owned him out with responses he couldn't find an answer to.
Do you want anything?
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
I love how these christians have porno style music in the background of an apologetics video. They love spreading the gospel message "Alllll night long."
AllYouNeed1sLove 9 months ago
Why do these videos keep using the ambiguous term "atheist intolerance"? I know they mean "intolerance of atheists" but it can also be seen as meaning "intolerance by atheists." Be clear when you name a video.
SandBarAndYou 9 months ago
"...I know that plenty of Christians have been just as blindly devoted and bigoted over the years, but at least in theory when Christians do this they're acting against something at the core of their faith." In general atheists highly value free speech and science, two things that are almost always at ends with organized religion. A great example of this is Galileo's case, where the Catholic Church banned his book, forced him to apologize, and then put him on house arrest.
PhobicOne 10 months ago
@PhobicOne Yeah, too bad Galileo was a Christian.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 How does Galileo's Catholicism factor into his vicious treatment by the Catholic Church? To continue that line of thought, doesn't that make the crime so much more sickening, that the Catholic Church would prosecute a fellow Catholic just because he presented a theory that opposed the (then) official stance on reality?
PhobicOne 9 months ago
@PhobicOne Yes.
But your claim that the abuse of religion constitutes the invalidity of religion is ridiculous. The source of corruption is, not true religion itself, but man, and those who sway religion to their own interests.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 This is completely untrue, as noone's interests were served in the systematic denial of Galileo's findings about the solar system except that of the collective of the Church. There was no reason in condemning Galileo except to preserve the Church's false monopoly on the truth. Sounds a bit 1984-esque, doesn't it? And yet that's how it was.
PhobicOne 9 months ago
@PhobicOne "This is completely untrue, as noone's interests were served in the systematic denial of Galileo's findings about the solar system except that of the collective of the Church."
PRECISELY, you dolt. Read the last part of your statement.
"There was no reason in condemning Galileo except to preserve the Church's false monopoly on the truth. Sounds a bit 1984-esque, doesn't it? And yet that's how it was."
Uh-huh, and? What bearance does this have on our discussion?
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Well, the whole point of the conversation you charged into like some retarded bull was that the concepts of free speech and the scientific method are at ends with the Catholic Church. The example was of the trial and house arrest of Galileo. Now that you've accepted that this is a valid example, I think it's justified to tell you to GTFO and READ THE FUCKING CONVERSATIONS YOU BUTT INTO BEFORE YOU POST SOME APOLOGETIC BULLSHIT.
That is all.
PhobicOne 9 months ago
@PhobicOne "Well, the whole point of the conversation you charged into like some [I am a retarded bull] was that the concepts of free speech and the scientific method are at ends with the Catholic Church."
Nope. I said that people abusing religion doesn't make it untrue. It's that simple.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 And there's no reason to believe it IS true, that simple. Although don't lie, you wanted to be contradictory in some childish attempt to make me look wrong. Now you look stupid and I'm pissed off that yet another retarded apologist decided to reanimate a conversation that's been dead for weeks.
Don't bother responding again. I'm not going to bother with yet another fucking religious apologist.
PhobicOne 9 months ago
@PhobicOne "And there's no reason to believe it IS true"
Uhh... yes there is.
"Although don't lie, you wanted to be contradictory in some childish attempt to make me look wrong."
Yes, because self-contradiction is often a tell-tale sign of lies.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@PhobicOne "Now you look stupid and I'm pissed off that yet another retarded apologist decided to reanimate a conversation that's been dead for weeks."
Funny, you can't attack the points I make, but instead attack the fact that I AM making points. Way to go.
"Don't bother responding again. I'm not going to bother with yet another fucking religious apologist."
Seems then that you don't have the balls to handle the truth :)
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@PhobicOne "The example was of the trial and house arrest of Galileo. Now that you've accepted that this is a valid example"
Which I did not.
"I think it's justified to tell you [that I am a retarded three-year-old that will continue to ramble and throw insults at you in the hope that you will express some kind of sympthathy for my stupidity in retaliating with such insults]."
I knew it.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
"...First was the pure devotion atheists have to Richard Dawkins, the outrage some obviously felt at our probing of Dawkins' style and agenda was similar to that of the worst religious fundamentalists when their pastor is hammered in the media, or when the founder of their religion (whether Jesus or Mohammed) is ridiculed by unbelievers." Because Atheists threaten to bomb churches, synagogues and mosques and threaten to behead/torture believers for speaking their mind.
PhobicOne 10 months ago
Can any religious person think for a second what this world would be like without religion? I think we as people would grow further and respect the earth more instead of fighting amongst one another of who's imaginary friend is the right one and become enlightened by our own ingenuity and technological progress.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 11 months ago
@Requiemxtoxinnocence Nope.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
I suppose what I was getting at was the sanctions that would be imposed upon somone if they chose to be intolerant. For religious people the ultimate is that they will be treated less well than a tolerant person in an afterlife. As atheists dont believe in an afterlife this check and balance isn't there for them.
I suppose I could rephrase the question as is fear of a apoor afterlife the only driver for people to be tolerant. If not then why done these reason apply to atheist too?
funkynosejob 11 months ago
@funkynosejob We have a fair amount of evidence that points the evolution of morality. We are social animals, 10000 years ago we couldn't survive on our own, having rules is a very useful strategy to keep a social group alive. almost every group needs rules to survive. A lot of other social species have something that could be called morality. My point is that maybe we are moral because our ancestors benefited from morality, and not because we fear hell.
Adhemar05 11 months ago
Why is what is keeping check on atheists a sensible question?
funkynosejob 1 year ago
@funkynosejob I don't understand your question. Could you rephraze?
Hankatu 11 months ago
HAHAHAAAHAHAH!!! PRICELESS!! Christians calling atheists intolerant - Christians are the reason I can't get married. Christians are the reason diseases like Parkinson's are still around. Christians are the reason condoms got a bad wrap early on. Intolerance = religion.
WTF is irreligion?
Atheist is just a word for - "Keep your god out of my hair, please"
Don't, as they say, get it twisted.
newloser 1 year ago
@newloser Condoms wrap just fine for me, they must have got them right in the end.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
i can understand richard's anger. Sometimes anger is necessary if you tell the world is round in stead of flat. You blame Richard for creating overly loyal followers, but science is the only place where theories are challenged. Grace or tolarance is just a charming type of agreeing to disagree. I disagree, but I respect your opinion even though i feel it is based on illusion or fear.
njroode 1 year ago
Since when does speaking out against something qualify as intolerance? Who cares about words, really? Intolerance is killing people who disagree with you, voting to limit their rights.
When was the last time an atheist did either?
matthewjhaywood 1 year ago
I didn't know atheists had a representative, did I miss that meeting?
andydeee 1 year ago
Is this guy for real?
Atheist worldview? come on...
Seymour13 1 year ago
Hard to show tolerance to human's with limited intelligence. If we are to survive, we have to move away for human's with limited intellect and a believe in an invisible man shitting on people from the sky. You religious fools continue to try to make atheism some kind of belief and it is that, that become intolerable. Death to all religion, long live intelligence, if you believe in god you are small minded and ignorant. Grow up.. please for all of our sakes. Humanity needs to be freed.
danz177 1 year ago
Sorry to destroy your carefully-crafted point of view on the world.
I accept christians as much as people of any other religion unless they're like you, sir.
kaandocal 1 year ago
I agree with that last statement completely but again I must point out that in this country, it has usually been the non-believers who catch the majority of the grief. As long as there are people out there blithely assuming that they have intimate, certain knowledge concerning things that are, quite frankly, beyond human understanding and arrogantly chastise others for not following their path, there will be people like me there to make them feel uncomfortable at every turn.
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
Oh, and while were at it, why don't we go talk to all the grieving families who had to endure listening to Fred Phelps's adorable little congregation picket their loved ones funerals, spewing their dogmatic tripe at them in the most disrespectful and shameful manner possible? Sheeeiiit dawg, I don't think we'd even need a time machine for that!
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 Okay, I agree with you there. Pulling a stunt like that against the grieving family was sheer disrespect and spite; pure and simple.
Having said that, it's not WHAT they are saying that is the problem, its HOW they are saying it. I would have no problem with these people proclaiming their beliefs if they did so in a civil manner.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
And those comments he read were the nice ones.
"Dawkins isn't angry at religious people." Could have fooled me.
If atheists are so logical and reasonable, why do they often resort to insults and personal attacks to prove their point?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
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OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 We'll answer that once you explain while so called "loving" and "tolerant" theists have been resorting to those tactics (and far, far worse) to "prove" your point for centuries. :)
Ball's in your court, god wad.
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 First of all, I didn't say all theists were tolerant. I personally think that I can be tolerant of other religions to an extent, but at some point I have to say that they are wrong. Any belief that deals in absolutes must have some degree of intolerance--that is, if someone is right, someone else is obviously wrong. Put simply, tolerance is often not a part of religion belief. There is no "Thou shalt tolerate other beliefs" commandment. Quite the opposite, in fact.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 Actually, didn't your Jesus say "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself" and "Love thy neighbor"? What, was the "UNLESS HE HAPPENS TO BE A GODLESS HEATHEN PINKO BASTARD" amendment edited out or something?
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 He did say those things. So, we ought not take it upon ourselves to "judge" others. However, He also said "Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength." God is placed above men. As a Christian, I have to draw the line at certain beliefs, and say that they are wrong. That is no different than what anyone who believes anything does.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 You fail to take into account the idea that if you had been born in a predominantly Muslim country, you would be saying the same thing about Islam. You would be saying that Allah is placed above men. You would be saying that "as a Muslim..."
And by the way, I highly doubt that abortion is strictly practiced by atheists. Nice try, though.
If you look at all the "religion vs. atheism" videos on youtube, you'll see just as many christians being insulting dicks.
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 Didn't I just say that Muslims say that? Are you listening? Muslims think that we are wrong just like we think they are wrong. Social values, not religion, require us to be tolerant of other views. Atheists will quickly point out when religious people are intolerant, but honestly, they are not much better.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 Way to miss my point completely.
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 O I get what you're saying. That I'm only Christian because I was brought up that way, and I was brought up that way. However, many atheists have come to Christianity and other religions; it doesn't just go one way.
And I have personally challenged my faith. I have thought about it logically; many Christians have. That probably surprises you. So you and Dawkins can cut the shit about Christians taking their faith for granted; you just don't know what you're talking about.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 I'm sure there are Christians have committed abortions, just like there are Christians who have robbed people or committed murder. The problem is that atheists don't recognize the life inside the mother, and thus have no problem with abortion, and are much more likely commit it again and again, rather than being isolated incidents.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 That's funny, I'm an atheist and I recognized the life inside of my girlfriend the moment she informed my that my Imperial Troops had entered her base. Way to negate any value your comment might have had by slinging bargain bin generalizations.
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 Well, then, I apologize for saying you disregarded life. But many atheists do disregard it.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 On the comments in the videos, you're dodging the issue. I didn't say that all of the christians were polite and civil. I said many of the atheists are not, which you seem to have trouble admitting. Basically, you're saying, "They're doing it, so we should be able to do it too." That's a very childish attitude to take.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 Here's the thing. I never said that atheists are generally polite and civil. I never even implied it. Then again, we don't have a sub-clause in our world view that demands that we be nice to other people. So, way to "put words in my mouth", metaphorically speaking.
Besides, theists have been shoving their views down our throats and giving us grief over ours for CENTURIES. I've never heard of anyone being given a hard time in the work place for believing in god. However, I have
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 continued... I have PERSONALLY been given the shit end of the stick at work because I mistakenly thought that I had just as much right to mention my lack of belief as the god squad had to loudly preach their faith.
So yeah. If you really think about it, this is just a matter of the shoe finally being on the other foot. Quit playing the victim card, sack up and deal with it.
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 Okay, now let's run with this.
From an atheist's perspective, one shouldn't have a problem with another's belief, because it doesn't ultimately concern them. As far as atheists are concerned, everyone is going to the same place anyway.
Am I right?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 On the other hand, a Christian has an obligation to preach their faith, as Jesus commanded his disciples. We are trying to help people turn to God and escape from everlasting punishment, so we (ay least most of us) are trying to help. I know you don't see it that way, but there it is.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 continued
About your own victimization, that is unfortunate. Because while we are commanded to preach our faith, we must admit that, at the end of the day, we cannot make you believe in God; it has to be your choice. This is also bad because it paints Christianity in general in a bad light (as you seem to have done).
Personally, I don't think either side should have to deal with abuse. It is everyone's right to practice the faith they choose.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 On the other hand, one of atheism's big selling points is tolerance. "We don't really care what you believe, we just disagree. Let's leave each other alone" Look on any religious related video on youtube, and you can see that this is not the case; there are atheists bashing religious beliefs left and right.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 Tell ya what, let's build a time machine. Let's go interview all the native Central Americans who were slaughtered wholesale by the Spaniards because they wouldn't convert to christianity. Let's talk to the 17 innocent people who were murdered during the Salem Witch Trials. Let's talk to the 50,000 + people killed for not being christian during the Spanish Inquisition. Let's see how much sympathy they have for you being insulted for your beliefs.
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 I never said that Christianity has never persecuted anyone. And I'm not trying to get sympathy; I'm trying to prove a point. Atheists will look at that and say "See, we don't do that." But while they don't murder anyone (except innocent unborn children), there is plenty of printed abuse on the internet and the media.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 Additionally, atheists always claim to have scientific evidence and reason to back up their claims, yet rarely do they actually present it and debate. You'd think they would leap at the oppurtunity. Instead, they spend most of their time putting down "God wads" and Jesus freaks," and summarily insulting the intelligence of anyone who believes in a God. What do you make of that?
Ball back to your court.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 First off, if that statement was any more inaccurate it would be... hell, I don't even know what it would be. Nine times out of ten, when I see a debate between atheists and theists, the atheist provides provide any scientific theories/evidence they know of while the theist regurgitates scripture.
OuchMyGlands666 1 year ago
@OuchMyGlands666 First of all, would you please count how many times I quoted scripture in this argument?
While you're at it, take a look at this page of comments and see just how "tolerant" atheists are. Also, see how many of them just say, "Christians are retarded," or some other bullshit, instead of reasonable argument. I'll give you a hint; it's not the 1 out of 10 that you claimed.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
The last video was drivel to put it politely & without substance. Yes it was polite, but that doesn't mean it actually made sense. If anything it had a somewhat patronising and childish, especially the part about the evidence for and against. If the biggest 3 he could come up with included 'because the world is beautiful' (which is a subjective opinion), yet failed to acknowledge mountains against it (like dinosaurs for instance?!!). Saying both sides need to make proof is insane.
poogle55 1 year ago
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Zipzap220 1 year ago
The reason that i ask people in my class to shut up when they say stupid things is that it is a waste of time, and therefore harmfull.
The reason that i ask religious people to shut up when they belive stupid things that are a waste of time, and harmfull.
Call me ignorant. I would call it being rational.
Zipzap220 1 year ago
ATHEIST s Will take over one day idiot .
frogshitful 1 year ago
We (atheists) are pissed because you choose to ignore proven scientific evidence and indoctrinate people, and specially children on fairy tales, myths and superstitions.
You are the ones who get sensitive and indignant when anyone questions or criticizes your "holy" book.
obd504 1 year ago
Who's side is he on?
He's so stupid he doesn't realize that all the comments make sense lol!
dj69918 1 year ago
When choosing a world view id like the choose the one that is based on truth. Id rather know the truth and be pissed off the rest of my life, then to convince myself to believe in an old mythical book that promises me il go to magic land!
But as a matter of fact im much happier as an atheist so its a complete win win situation in my case.
DutchNordic 1 year ago
I think it proves how ignorant these videos are, that in an attempt to alleviate the aggression provoked by the previous video, this one ends up filled with even worse inadvertently inflammatory material.
One other thing, the responses it quoted were spot on! If this is the worst of the atheist community we're doing pretty well!
GrandSupremeDaddyo 1 year ago
I understand all of your very valid points. However, i must say (about the "blind devotion" thing) that atheists are devoted to this Dawkins guy because he presents the truth WITH proof and evidence. Whereas Christians present their "truth" WITHOUT evidence nor proof.
but other than that little technicality, your arguments were very enlightening and valid and intriguing. you sir are a very intelligent man.
TheOnlyAttrition 1 year ago
So, what's this quote mining I've heard of? I have no idea what it is. I'm sure this video does not express such an explicit quality but what do I know.
MillCityPersons 1 year ago
i loved them messages from atheists. they were all RIGHT, its obious he picked the ones with the most swearing in them because he didnt understand the point. the last one especially
using big words like "ad hominem attacks" was sweet irony. it could have been about this video itself, i guess this guy has no idea what it means though. the only stupid on was the "dawkins is the phrothet" and that was either a plant or a troll
iamnuff1992 1 year ago
Atheists and agnostics don't necessarily have a unified world view and that is because they are not a unified group. Now i would argue that this is a good thing because it leads people to live as they want, rather than someone telling them how to live. I would however like point out that being on a christian website talking about atheism (likening Dawkins to a cult leader in this video) is not the way to go about this. just because you are more subtle doesn't mean it isn't just as hateful
Hobbofro 1 year ago
i have one thing to say QQ MOAR PLOX
jesus christ these guys are so obnoxious that they made a video to cry about the messages they received in response to a video.
Criticism is something you would expect when making a youtube video, to CRY the Amazon River in response to those criticisms, instead of contemplating their argument, is simply pitiful. This video is an affront to the principles of debate and argument.
ragnarocks0 1 year ago
Same as the religious fundamentalists?
lol
How can they even compare them to those couple of comments (IMO rather tame youtube comments by most standards)
MangaFanGuy 1 year ago
Like I said, intolerance is not a one-way street. In fact, atheists appear to take the brunt of it...
serotta09 1 year ago
Faith and atheism aren't exactly on equal ground, logically speaking. The growth of knowledge has led a long, steady path away from the notion of God. Atheists see this simple truth but when they try to communicate it, they are met with illogical responses, closedmindedness, and character attacks. You probably shouldn't expect every atheist to tolerate these things gracefully. Many religious folks are smug and condescending towards atheists - it's not a one way street.
serotta09 1 year ago
Is there anything abuot being an athiest that prevent intollerence? Yes. When an atheist hurts someone by being intollerent, they cant privately appologise to a god, say they feel sorry and so are forgiven. They have to live with it, knowing that moment is in their finite life and if they want forgiveness they need to seek it from the wronged person and that person only. This means intollerence has a much greater consequence for atheists in my opinion. Sadly the comment box is too small. :(
Irbeth 1 year ago
Blind devotion and aggressive intolerance. Right on the dot
MSALLADLACIENCIA 1 year ago
blah blah blah. there is no god.
satibablaze 1 year ago
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@satibablaze "blah blah blah. there is no god." That is one of the best arguments I have ever heard from an atheist.
leidenhag 1 year ago
Christ told us that the world would always hate him and his children. Prophecy coming true.
KahbyK 1 year ago
When religion causes...
-segrigation (see jews from WWII and Islam from the world today)
-the sabotage people's education (see creationism and any steps religion takes to enter the classroom)
-The practice of misuse of information (see creationism quote mining)
-The practice of ignorance to reason.
-The practice of false reasoning. (Not everything is, but a lot is.)
Athiests have A LOT to be angry about... It's not intolerance, it's standing up for an injustice caused by religious extremests.
SlimfullSim 1 year ago
@SlimfullSim Okay that's like blaming a shooting on a gun, not a murderer, those people are respondible not the religon.
rehwr 1 year ago
What rubbish is he saying at 6:04 . Lol chirstian are intolerant. Take the spanish inqustion and crusades - they clearly werent very tolarant of non belivers.
And what about gays clearly not very tolerant of them either
badpanda84 1 year ago
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@badpanda84 Okay that's like blaming a shooting on a gun, not a murderer, those people are respondible not the religon.
rehwr 1 year ago
Religion=man made
I'm sorry it was force fed to you.
xIAbs0LuteIx 1 year ago
Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens. The rational trinity...
slverfish 1 year ago
Regarding the reason WHY we should be moral, I think this analogy sums up the difference between religion and atheism quite nicely: Religion treats people like children, who must be forced to behave themselves by being alternately bribed (heaven) and threatened (hell). Atheism treats people like adults, who have learned from experience that good behaviour benefits themselves and others.
garethac81 1 year ago
Religion has an "in-built check against intolerance"? History clearly shows that religion perpetually breeds intolerance, both of opposing faiths and "non-believers". There is no such record of atheist intolerence. Remember the atheist witch trials? The atheist inquisition? The atheist Crusades? Nope...me neither.
garethac81 1 year ago
Why should I be "tolerant" of a religion that says that since I don't agree with it, I'm going to be tortured forever in Hell?
vinniebraz01 1 year ago
The moment I tell someone I'm an Atheist regardless of my actions I am told that I'm going to burn in Hell. Where's the peace, love, and compassion for others?
We tried to be nice and quiet and let thing be. But it was Christians who struck the first blow with "Creationism" regardless of it's modern day tag to be taught in the schools.
"Teach the controversy"? Yes, let's also teach Alchemy AND Chemistry.
The Stork verses Sex on how human procreate, and other OBVIOUS nonsense
MZeora 1 year ago
Dawkins speaks for atheist like Jesse Jackson speaks for blacks.
hoss6556 1 year ago
Atheism contains only one thing; not believing in god or gods.
So no, there is nothing 'within' atheism to keep anything in check.
What ever else an atheist believes or does has anything to do with the lack of belief in a god.
Atheism neither stops nor inspires anyone to or from anything.
It's like you are asking; does lack of motion move anything?
Pardon me for thinking the question to be an idiotic one.
TurumbarTurin 1 year ago
Technically christianity is one step away from atheism anyways (no offense to atheists haha)
Because to a christian there is merely one way to salvation, and one divine entity; certainly this is closer to atheism than any polytheistic religion of ancient lore, or modern hinduism/buddhism
Botany101 1 year ago
Tolerating Christianity is like tolerating a retard in the room. He's there, and he's really fucking annoying, you can't say anything because it's socially unacceptable, but you really just want him out of the fucking room.
holyturdsofjesus 1 year ago 2
In theory there core values are beliveing Jesus died for your sins
In realilty there core values are pro-life and anti gay marraige
badpanda84 1 year ago
Problem is that we have had to tolrate relgion for too long.
badpanda84 1 year ago
Atheists are devoted? To what?! REALITY?! I'm an Atheist when you talk about a man in space ruling over the earth, and you should too.
courageye 1 year ago
This guy is an Atheist.
He probably doesn't believe in the King of the Gods Zeus!
courageye 1 year ago
The atheist responses were "not measured," and "intolerant?" At least none threatened "eternal" torture.
Feelings are *not* evidence. There is *no* evidence for *any* god. Creation myths *are* childish.
Examining evidence is the only way to separate fantasy from reality, so it is not "intolerant" to demand evidence before accepting that a claim is true.
Faith -- belief without evidence and/or despite evidence to the contrary -- is irrational.
Nothing real requires faith.
YY4Me133 2 years ago
"Nothing real requires faith."
Someones never been sky diving.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Since you didn't explain what sky diving has to do with faith, I'll assume you're implying that it takes faith to trust a parachute will open. If that is what you meant, you're wrong. It's about expectation based on experience, not faith.
My brother was a skydiver, and he never would have trusted his chute on faith. He knew it was rated for his weight category, and had been checked and packed by someone with many years of experience. He would have been foolish to do otherwise.
YY4Me133 2 years ago
Yes well you should also know that parachutes don't always work.
Go try sky diving yourself and tell me if that didn't require faith,
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
Wow. You ignored everything I wrote. Expectation based on experience is *not* faith. Lots of people have parachuted without mishap. Sure, there are some acccidents, but that's a calculated risk. The odds are that your chute will open because they usually do. That does *not* require faith.
YY4Me133 2 years ago
Go on up and step out of a plane and tell me that.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
You seem unable to comprehend a simple concept: there are people who get along just fine without lying to themselves. You should try it sometime.
I suggest that you go skydiving, and instead of making sure your chute has been checked and packed by someone with experience, just mash it into the case. Don't even bother with the reserve. You won't need it since you have faith.
YY4Me133 2 years ago 2
"Don't even bother with the reserve. You won't need it since you have faith."
A reserve chute?
sounds like it's not as safe as you like to pretend.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
I hate to do this but ... you're an idiot.
YY4Me133 2 years ago
Yeah well that's like your opinion......man.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
There are two definitions of faith: belief without evidence, and belief based on circumstantial evidence. Faith that a parachute will work is the latter kind of belief, because there is strong circumstantial evidence that parachutes work.
Faith that a god exists is belief without evidence (a feeling while praying/meditating, wishing it were so, mass delusion, and old books written before the age of scientific explanation don't count), and is not a virtue. It is an insult to human intelligence.
darkmiles22 1 year ago
LMAO!
SmalltimR 2 years ago
When christians are acting as bigots, they are acting within their core values, not against them. The fact is that you must be a bigot to be a christian.
givingmantoo 2 years ago
Right away the guy was acting like a shit ... its guy like this shit, that prove atheism is the way to go.
givingmantoo 2 years ago
I am intolerant of credulity & willful ignorance.
limpnail 2 years ago
Christian tolerance? This vid had me sneering at the end. Its message is just a bit despicable. I'm tolerant of people by default, but not ideas. I'm not tolerant when history is rewritten or denied, or when groups are persecuted.
zachpmorgan 2 years ago
Christian tolerance is that you will be tolerated as long as you pretend at the least, that they are right and NEVER NEVER dare to challenge their beliefs.
givingmantoo 2 years ago
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KariPhilias 2 years ago
adding into my own comment:yeah, so maybe he's not in America after realizing "oh yeah, he had an accent!" but still!
etowngftddummy 2 years ago
Those comments signaled that atheists were being intolerant?
Wow. I'd love to hear what this guy would say if he were actually being persecuted for his beliefs instead of being in a country where 2/3rds of people believe the Bible is literally true.
etowngftddummy 2 years ago
If he where actually being persecuted, he would be hiding somewhere shaking in his cowardness
givingmantoo 2 years ago
@givingmantoo
I know, right? This is so ridiculous. After coming back here to see the comment you left I couldn't help but watch this vid again and laugh at it again.
etowngftddummy 2 years ago
Wait ... you watched it TWICE ? I did not even make it through the first attempt
givingmantoo 2 years ago
@givingmantoo
I'm a very patient person, haha
etowngftddummy 2 years ago
This guy is a turd. He's so mighty and comes across as nothing more than a dickhead, as do most religious perverts.
MobaTalk 2 years ago
Funny little man... Christians are so cute when they're trying to be clever :-)
shiva369 2 years ago
With the intollerant attitude Christians express against homosexuals, I hardly feel you have a leg to stand on. Your Bible barely mentions it, but Your pulpits are filled with anti-homosexual messages. Why? Christ never mentioned it, It wasn't mentioned in the BIG 10, WHY?
ktorch 2 years ago
Jesus Hussein Christ, stop your whining.
ClumsyRoot 2 years ago 2
Yeah, some of the atheist's responses were hostile, but attack the arguments, not the people. I think you'll find that the atheists are correct about Dawkins, he's a pretty happy fellow and he's simply passionate about truth.
TheWALOS 2 years ago 4
@TheWALOS No he is passionate about what he thinks. Not about truth.
KahbyK 1 year ago
@KahbyK
He's passionate about truth, even if the truth he's passionate about it just in his head. Which, I'm pretty confidence, it isn't. He's a world-renowned evolutionary biologist, he literally wrote the book on what is now accepted science; The Selfish Gene. His credentials are solid.
TheWALOS 1 year ago
@TheWALOS attacking the poeple is called a ad hominem attack the last message was epic because it was calling creationists out for using ad hominem attacks as they used the message in question IN a ad hominem attack... true meta-humor.
iamnuff1992 1 year ago
@iamnuff1992
Regardless of who is at fault, or who is using ad hominem attacks, who has the better argument? Whose position is more firmly rooted in reality?
TheWALOS 1 year ago
@TheWALOS
He's a classic salesman who happens to be a con artist.
Have you actually read anything he wrote?
I have. It's indistinguishable from any sales pitch. Pure brainwashing - all mobbing, ridicule, rhetorics... no facts, no arguments and no science. Like a boring blog - all rants and no material.
rettie 1 year ago
LOL! This idiot in the video says "yeah I know Christians get angry about their points of view too but at least they are acting by their devotion to Jesus". Oh the hypocrisy of it all.....
mythinktube 2 years ago 5
I was going to write a lot but seeing as it's gonna fall on deaf creationist ears I'm gonna save my breath
When Atheists have different opinions than you it's CRITICISM not intollerance
You Christians just aren't used to hearing Criticism. Get over it
mythinktube 2 years ago 3
Aw damn, wanted to hear it :p
mastechief8 2 years ago
SO true., I agree with these comment in the video and I am atheist.
Its not too bad when people are genuiely ignorant of evoultion. That can be fixed with education. ( and Darkwn attempts to educatated people on evoultion)
But when people deliberatly go about spreading lies about evoultion ( usally to promote there relgion) that is another story
badpanda84 2 years ago 2
Religious people are simpletons. They inflict 2 thousand years worth of supression of knowledge, inflict death penalties, slander, theft, torture, burning people to death etc, and expect tollerance.
Tollerance of intollerance only promotes more intollerance.
Murdering surgeons becasue they disagree, blowing up people, honor killings, death penalties for apostacy, etc.
Religious intolerance and attrocious behavior is infuriating to say the least.
Valthepixie 2 years ago 2
Agreed.
It like saying we should tolerate racism and bigotry,
badpanda84 2 years ago
The same goes the other way. Atheists are just as intollerant to people who claim psi skills. Or for anything out of the oridinary, they verbally burn people alive for saying they can see aura's for example.
People are ridiculed for making such claims.
It's always best to keep an open mind, after all it was the consensus the world was flat at one time, and they used to murder people for suggesting otherwise.
Enough of all this intollerance.
Valthepixie 2 years ago
Also, you ask what, if any, "safeguards" we have against intolerance as atheists. My answer is this... No, and neither do you. Your safegaurd you say is the words of jesus, yet, you admit yourself that christians don't always follow this. I believe most do not, but that doesn't matter. But why do we need rules for behavior, or threat of eternal damnation or bribe of eternal life to be good people? Can we not be good simply to be good? I am an atheist and a good person, and i'm damn proud of it.
cmknoll3 2 years ago
In my opinion, only one of the comments read in this video were even slightly "intolerant", the other 2 of the 3 that used vulgarities and insults were certainly less than kind, but they were aimed at the speaker in the video himself, not christianity. And, I for one do no follow anyone, even dawkins, period, especially blindly. I am a freethinking human. However, I have great respect for him for his knowledgability and his gentlemenly nature.
cmknoll3 2 years ago
ummm which ones were the intolerant ones?
'you're an asshat" is not intolerant, just argumentative. "you're an evil fucking FAGGOT and God will burn you in hell forever you FUCK!!!" That's intolerant.
stjimmy933499399493 2 years ago
It is not a "devotion to Dawkins".. it is a devotion to reason and logic. Two things that NO religion can succesfully incoporate since theirs is strictly a faith based belief (i.e. a belief without evidence) and infact , a belief despite real evidence that clearly contradicts it.
Would you not be frustrated if someone kept telling you something were true even though you not only knew different but had presented hard evidence that backed your argument? Evidence that was conveniently ignored?
americasace 2 years ago
You may say Dawkins is angry, and his criticism may be harsh.
But I feel its time for us to say something a bit harsh.
And on the intolerance of atheist's your book tell you to kill us.T
hey entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB
VictorphoenixDMvault 2 years ago
You may have my tolerance as long as you don't mess with me, but my respect? That's another thing. I don't respect gullible people.
We agree that any form of zeal can be corrosive, though
hellhammerz666 2 years ago
No comment....
But I hate not leaving one :)
supershikoku 2 years ago
Bobo the magic sky turtle loves u all. we should bow down to His will and accept Him as our master.
try having hundreds of people say that to you and saying you deserve to be tortured. it gets frustrating hearing that and also hearing them call there gods "loving" gods
atheistnarutofan 2 years ago
The "atheist worldview" is called reality.
StefanKlag 2 years ago 17
@StefanKlag Nope. It´s call naturalism
MSALLADLACIENCIA 1 year ago
@MSALLADLACIENCIA
Not necessarily. You don't have to be a naturalist to be an athist.
For example: Somebody who believes in the tooth fairy can be an athist, bust he is certainly no naturalist.
StefanKlag 1 year ago