Science in Islam, Iran and Turkey [Science-Metrix & NewScientist]

[maozidongzlm]

It is valid for the world to accept the contribution to the development of science and the balance of the political powers worldwide.

[Busticate]

There is no such a thing as Islamic science. Religion is not even catheterized as social science as it can not live with the science element. Reason, its ideas can not change. It is a closed loop system of ideas. It thrives on the most illiterate and poverty stricken sections of the society. If Islam could revolutionize, if would have done so in Arabia where it first emerged. Religion regardless of type is the cemetery of minds.

[germanicus24]

@Busticate Keep studying brother. You would learn that Islam did revolutionize the previously backwards Arabia, and the many calls of the Quran for using our intellects and studying nature and creation along the lines of logic inspired a golden era that many Arabs nowadays feel nostalgic of. If you studied, you would realize how Damascus, Baghdad and Cordoba were bright centers of knowledge, and how the transfer of knowledge from Arabia to Europe ignited in turn our own Western enlightenment.

[germanicus24]

@Busticate It is true that many contemporary pseudo religious cults thrive from doing proselitism on the uneducated, but when you place Islam in the same sack before even having done a proper study of Islamic science and its history, you are violating the very scientific method you claim to subscribe to and you become a mediocre of reason yourself.

"From the first gulp of the glass of natural sciences (mediocre) comes Atheism, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting" Werner Heisenberg

[Busticate]

@germanicus24 - You've made a number of erroneous assumptions. 1st that there is actually an association between god & religion. I fail to see the association! 2nd, you also make the assumption, based on a scientists assertions, that natural sciences are intrinsically atheist. I fail to see this one too. One could argue that no other profession comes closer to creation, its beauty & complexity, or act of creation, than a scientist ever would. Religion, has no other purpose than control.

[germanicus24]

@Busticate 1) Why is there no association between God and religion? Religion is the sincere quest for the transcendental. Your claim is like saying that there is no association between the scientific method and the reality of the world. Why not? It is a quest with its reasonable premises. You are not even capable to admit to your ignorance of how Islam affected Arabia. Have some sincerity and open mindedness.

[germanicus24]

@Busticate 2) Nobody gets closer to the beauty and complexity of external creation than a scientist, but because the creation is not confined to our perceptive conveniences many of the great scientists who reshaped modern physics themselves wrote vastly about the value of religion as a search for truth, not control, as the pastors of Atheism preach. I'd rather be "controlled" by Islam which teaches me to study the creation, than to be controlled by my ego and refuse to look deeper around me.

[germanicus24]

@Busticate Your claim that religion has been around for a long while, and that it thus has become very resistant, only shows the power of reason in science, contradicting with your initial claims of its dogmatism. It is natural - and not convenience - that Islam has a solution for the human being of every time and every corner of the world. And the fact that you find the long life span of divine religions a downside to them, just shows your fear to those who have reasoned longer than you have.

[germanicus24]

@Busticate While proclaiming yourself an educator on religious history of Iran, you have shown incompetence in the basics, ignoring that the practice of Ijtihad is reasonably founded and provides precisely for Islam to serve mankind of any epoch and any nation. By name-calling this tradition of development of the Islamic sciences as "irrational" and other unfounded adjectives, you only show your lack of academic rigor, as reasoning and logic stand at the center of the Shia school.

[germanicus24]

@Busticate You claim Islam's adaptability stems from irrationality (bizarre paradox you put forward there without a proof), while Islam delivered Iranians from the brutality of our secularism imposed onto them (progress and rationality for you). Corollary is that this reality is such that irrationality is designed to prevail over reason. Your unintended claim is that irrationality is superior to reason. Sad religion you hold. Your concepts of rationality and irrationality might just be mixed up.

[germanicus24]

@humanrights85 That is good, it's different sources agreeing in that Muslim countries are leading in scientific growth. I can't care less which of them leads as long as they are both inspired in Islam.

[Fossil2434]

fuck of kapitalisim islam and allah are stronger :)

talibans and alkaida are cia mans!

[TurkmenBazooka61]

omg this is very bad propaganda

[Iranianoilbourse]

The best thing that you can say here is that Iranians should read the information, science and surveys that is produced in Iran and by iranians.

[Iranianoilbourse]

West controll over the information is their biggest and most effective tool of dominance and manipulation of the world. I think world nations, not only Iran need to work hard to brake western monopoly.

[Iranianoilbourse]

Iran must take power over information. Tell it´s own story and everything that belongs to it. The west are good manipulater and because they are in controll over everything that is told, everything from science and news to different surveys they can easily turn things into their own interest.

[Iranianoilbourse]

As long as west has controll over internet and information Iran will be in danger.

[magistradox]

Stupid movie. And then the name you use for yourself: germanicus. What a shame. Lose your intellect and start reading the quran. There ist no science, not intellect, no wisdom, nothing what has to to do with humanity, in this book.

[horror11]

well is it iran wich is growing faster or is it us in the western civilisations going backwards because of the grip the international jewry and their weapons , the privately owned centralbanks, have in our countries:)

it may be both, anyway its very inspiring to see how a country prospers even though half of the world tries to demonize iran and use harsh sanctions to stop them.

i support iran and the iranian ppl

[germanicus24]

@horror11 I'd go for "both" also in the above-given options ^^

[germanicus24]

@CCostenjo It might be so, otherwise it would be so weird ^^

[Iranianoilbourse]

@germanicus24 you must always look into who is the source, the scientice, media or other parts use to do things based on a purpose and if you are not aware you fall into their trap. Everything that glitters is not gold.

[germanicus24]

@Iranianoilbourse I always look into who is the source. That is why if the enemies of the Islamic Republic show that the Islamic Republic has achieved the greatest scientific progress since the Islamic Revolution, I consider it interesting evidence.

But of course, my only source for infallible truth is the Quran, and I am not attached to whatever NewScientist or any other editorial writes, for God has given me my own intellect and faculties to find out truth for myself and not be spoon-fed.

[Iranianoilbourse]

@germanicus24 In my eyes everything that western studies and media reports is either facts that is ment to create problem or it is just some kind of fabrication that is ment to create problems. In this case it seems to be some kind of bad done fabrication.

[GodfatherOfZiege]

Asalam alaykum Bro. What Verse is it in the beginning?

ws

[germanicus24]

@GodfatherOfZiege It is Surah Al Ankabut (The Spider, number 29), Aya 20. Quran translation by Tahereh Saffarzadeh, awarded as "Leading Woman in the Islamic World" in 2005.

[Iranianoilbourse]

Even that we have pushed the reverse buttom, we must always be critical and on our guards. West will always have a new even more ruthless strategi up it´s sleep like creating earth quake in the country. Like I said, look up persian gulf and "haarp".

[Iranianoilbourse]

I hope that I have enlighten. Like I said. Be very suspicious about any report created in west. They know how they can mess up and we must be on our guards. 

[Iranianoilbourse]

Personly I think that Iran has taken the crusial step to neutralise all of this kind of potentially dangerous western plots by it´s newly policy of economic reform that is extremley strong to create equality in Iran. That is is reverse botten of all of this plots that west has invested so much time in. When you press the buttom of equality you reverse all of this seeds of destructive competitions and hunt after power and fame that west plants around us.

[Iranianoilbourse]

They pretend to be dumb.

[Iranianoilbourse]

Iran is scientific powerhouse. Turkey is not even in this business. I just love west and their multifaced ways to create problems. Never think that George Bush and USA is a dumb country.

[Iranianoilbourse]

Nice graphic. I loved it.

[Iranianoilbourse]

West want to choke Iran by creating some kind of competition between it and Turkey. Very destructive, dangerous and like always very nicely thought through report. All of this is plots all over again. And unfortunately west is just too strong for Iran.

[Iranianoilbourse]

Be suspicious about everything that is produced about Iran. The USA is falling and will make everything in it´s power to create problem for Iran. The problematic thing here is that it is trying to compare Iran and Turkey and it is false report. Turkey for it´s part does not come close to Iran when it is science conserned. Both production and growth. But in recent days the west has started to compare Iran and Turkey in that field by some reason. To create a destructive competition

[Iranianoilbourse]

@Iranianoilbourse West want to choke Iran by creating some kind of competition between it and Turkey. Very destructive, dangerous and like always very nicely thought through report. All of this is plots all over again. And unfortunately west is just too strong for Iran.

[germanicus24]

@Iranianoilbourse What are you talking about. The report clearly shows Iran is over twice faster in growth than Turkey. Where is the deception?

[wais910]

Glory be to God

[germanicus24]

@CCostenjo Well if you mount a blog let me know. I can help you with the technical stuff and template. It would be nice reading what you've got to say, and add you to the network there :)

[Iranianoilbourse]

@germanicus24 It is interesting to waite and see west next step. It is probably very frustrated realising that so many of it´s highly invested plots is all the sudden as I hope and they probably fear is not worth anything. Today it was 34 comprehensive earthquake in Iran. It may be west new move to create problems for Iran. Look for persian gulf and "haarp" to get a clue of another way that USA has in it´s arsenal to mess with other people.

[germanicus24]

@CCostenjo Ah you speak much truth brother :) Do you have a blog by any chance?

[germanicus24]

@CCostenjo Nice. My parents are faithful Christians and I was raised as such, so I have much respect for Christians. But they admit to me that had they been born in India they would have not turned out to be Christians, and I think that is wrong. On the one hand we can't be socially conditioned when dealing with such important matters, and secondly, God would not be so unfair as to give privilege to some being born here and not there facilitating the access of knowledge of Him.

[azaeidmm]

THANK YOU, BUT THIS IS NOT RELATED TO ISLAM, IF IT WAS WE SHOULD SEE SOME THING LIKE THIS IN SAUDI ARABIA WHICH IS THE BIRTH-PLACE OF ISLAM. THESE SCIENCE CAME FROM THE DEEP BACK GROUND AND HISTORY AND CULTURE OF COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN, IRAQ, TURKEY,...... EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MATTER AS A CHART, SCIENCE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN STOPED AFTER ISLAM ATTACK FOR A LONG TIME IN ALL OF REGION.

[AhmadMoosavi]

@azaeidmm If you see the past revolution age in Iran since iran became an plitical occupied conuntry then you see no native development happened. It's related to intellect, independency and Islam. When a nation becomes foreigners slave like saudi arabia there will be no ISLAM there. Certainly they are acting against Islam in Saudi Arabia and islam is not just a name.

[AhmadMoosavi]

@azaeidmmAlso if you study Islam you find that more than 90 percent of Islam scientist didnt raise from Saudi Arabia but mostly from Iran. Like Avecina Iranian Muslim scientist and philospher he says when I had f a trouble in my researchs I was getting to mosque and pray for God , after coming back to my work I did see the problem is solved. He clearly says he was using Prayer for solving chemestry and physics and medical problems and we have to know more about his experience.

[AhmadMoosavi]

@azaeidmm also there is another lie in your text very oppose the history of the region that shows you are not know the least about the science in the region. near 100 percent of region scientists who changed the base of the sceiece and the world are all Muslim.

[Trylf]

MashAllah, great video! This is the truth, Iran has developed this much despite the pressures, sanctions and terrorism against them. SobhanAllah!

[germanicus24]

@Trylf Imagine if Iran didn't have all those pressures, sanctions and terrorism against their scientific and technological progress.

[germanicus24]

@CCostenjo I am a Muslim convert. And you? :)

[evhezm333]

you fucking americans

[germanicus24]

@CCostenjo True. Unfortunately only if you access these two specialized sources (NewScientist and Science-Metrix) will you get to read such things. This is why I decided to make a video. Even those sources are deceitful. Ironically, Science-Metrix subtitled its report as "SECULAR Movements in Knowledge Creation" when two out of the top 4 rated countries in their report are MUSLIM countries (Iran 1st and Turkey 3rd), while two are secular (Korea 2nd and China 4th).

[zagros24]

My intellect tels me that we don't need Goran or any other religious book and any religion at all in order to live in peace and prosperity. Democracy and justice are the best ideology. perhaps the only one.

[germanicus24]

@zagros24 Intellect requires constant revision. Failing to do so is termed mediocrity. I used to be an Atheist myself who thought just like you, but if one is sincere and responsible in his quest for knowledge, you wont get stuck in a man-made ideology that gives no directions from the Sustainer of this Universe. Furthermore, Islam gives the entire basis for establishing governments based on Justice, you just have to responsibly study it before so arrogantly discarding such an important message.

[zagros24]

@germanicus24 This type of conversation gets to nowhere because there is no much room to type. And don't call people you don't know arrogant because you don't know them. You where not an atheist likes me! You were perhaps a lost person in middle of your faith that was looking for better one which cans for fill your thirst. I ask you a question and I wish to be answered academically; WHY SHOULD WE NEED GOD?

[germanicus24]

@zagros24 I didn't call you arrogant out of personal taste, but because you irresponsibly not just discard a gem as the Quran without examining it, but you come here and try to arrogantly impose your idea -as if being an ignorant at something one hasn't even cared to sincerely study would give him an ounce of authority to his words. I am not talking about arrogance over disagreement, but arrogance of yours above what is good for your own sake, and the universal arrogance of man over God.

[germanicus24]

@zagros24 Indeed I was a hardcore Atheist who believed God/religion were ridiculous inventions getting in the way of progress. Responsibly setting out to put my hypothesis to the test -process most Atheists neglect- drove me to Islam. As Werner Heisenberg said "Out the first gulp of the glass of natural sciences [a mediocre understanding] comes Atheism, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting." An alien idea to anyone who has been mediocre in his quest for knowledge.

[germanicus24]

@zagros24 Why should we need God is equivalent to "why should we need dark matter"? We don't get to choose God's existence, we conclude it from carefully observing nature -and little wonder that most of the fathers of modern science were believers. This is why the Quran constantly calls on doing so. Do we need dark matter out of a selfish whim of self-complacence? Or actually our cosmologists have responsibly concluded that the Universe as we know it would not be able to be sustained without it?

[MAFHHZB]

How do you apply such complex animation?

Secondly, great work.

Lastly, when will you focus on your incomplete series - Iran: A Nation Reborn?

[germanicus24]

@MAFHHZB Thank you for watching. I have used the free software OpenShot for this video and the image editor Gimp.

I am indeed hoping to finish the Iran: A Nation Reborn project now that I am getting used to this new software. So the next time I have some good week of free time I am going to reengage in it inshallah. Sorry for the delay and thanks for the patience!

[deltanew2]

very interesting!