hi agat0r, you made a few mistakes in your previous posts.
1. hebrew wasn't the first written languages of mankind - you should check your references.
2. yahuweh is one name, but the priests who have written the pentateuch (five books of moses) believed in different gods (despite "yahuweh", in "elohim" or "el" in kanaan), that is the reason why the god character changes through the whole book.
3. apes (maybe other animals too) have a conscience and can distinguish between good and bad.
you might have mixed some terms in this video. theism = the believe of a being who created the universe and manipulates it since today. deism = the believe in a being who created the universe and after this act, has no influence in our world anymore. adeism and atheism are the antithesis of these believes (atheos means no god), but they aren't no believes per se. atheists believe for example in christian morality and ethics, so in my opinion they are believes and therefore a religon.
i think what you have ment was that antitheism is not a religion, because antitheist don't believe in any offspring of christian religion, like morality and ethics. in fact it is a term related to nihilism of Nietzsche (which is not the real nihilism - but that is another story).
I think you're getting too caught up in the word play... The real definition of religion can encompass just about anything. Atheism CAN NOT be a religion though, since it is merely a lack of belief in a God therefor there is no claim being made.
Unless of course you want to start including "not riding unicorns" as your hobbies and not believing in the Flying Spaghetti monster as your religious preference.
Please don't get caught up into rhetorical nonsense.
a religion is per definition a phenomenon which affects human behavior, individual thinking and normativ moral concepts. atheists believe in christian morality and ethics, but not in a christian god (or higher beings at all). you could read "l'homme revolte" by Camus (maybe the English translation), he explains this premiss of atheism quite well.
and i didn't want to insult you, but you just used these terms so wrongly. that's all.
Well agnosticism is not a belief. It's a state of knowledge.
The agnostic position is "I don't know God or understand God"
That's not a belief though. That's a state of knowledge. A Gnostic Atheist does not exist. Nor does a Gnostic Theist exist. They would have to know God and undesrtand God in order to be Gnostic.
To be an atheist just means that we don't believe in God. You can be an agnostic theist or atheist. One who doesn't know if God exists but believes or does not believe he exists.
"I believe there is not enough evidence to prove the existance of a God"
Hey Mak, You know how I got here LOL. Have you ever considered that you perhaps haven't looked at the evidence? I proved it in my pm to you, didn't I? Did you know God's personal and proper name before I sent you that message? Be honest. The point? Simple. God put His name in His message to man, exactly 7000 times. I submit to you that if one doesn't know it, they can't possibly know the rest of what He says.
Let me ask you a question have you ever looked into the existance of Alah, of the Gnostic Yahuweh, of Osirus, Krishna, Odin, Zeus, etc...
At least half of those were born of a virgin, died, ressurected, etc...
When I was a Christian I tried to read the bible. I do not believe that the things in the bible could ever be considered by me to be the divine word of God.
I have problems with just about everything in the bible as being written by a perfect God
I've studied what you asked. Can you prove that any of them existed before Yahuweh and His message to man? You must first do this, but you can't, so this is moot. Hebrew is the first alphebet and written language of mankind. The others are imposters-exactly what we'd expect from Satan.
the 10 commandments. A good portion of them are all ego based commandments.
Commandments like "Thou shalt honor thy mother and thy father" that makes no sense to me. Should a child that was sexually, physically, and mentally abused respect their parents?
Even if you say that they can consider their foster parents as real parents, then what if they did the same thing to the kid? What about good for nothing fathers that walk out? Drug abusing mothers?
I agree 100%. And how can an earthly mother or father make it "so that your days are prolonged"? Stupid. I agree.
The reason I asked you is because I use to be you. Wanna know what bothered me besides what you just brought up? A loving God says "either love me or I will torture you forever". That's insane. He wouldn't be lovable-He would be a sadist.
Yes, every church I know of teaches that!They all teach there are only two destinations. Too bad scripture speaks of three!!! It's why I asked you about "Yahuweh". You didn't read it in any Bible, I can tell you that.
Not one in a thousand christians knows the name of God.
To be honest, you are too smart to be a christian, but here's what you don't know: God HATES religions-all of them. They are all wrong and they all lead astray. They are all invented by men. They all serve and enrich men-not God. I can promise you this: If you could unlearn everything you were taught and see God for who He actually is, you would change your mind.
For instance: Did you know that God says in Genesis, that He has both male and female characteristics? Did you know that the Qodesh Ruach(Set Apart Spirit) is a feminine noun? She is our heavenly mother! Everything She does is motherly in scripture-She comforts, nurishes, teaches, and even supplies us the garment of light we need to stand in His presence.
This family model(Father, mother, child) is very important to God.
Thus it is your heavenly Father and Mother whom the respect is for in the 5th commandment. If you'd like, we could do a deeper study of it to prove this is the case. Everything that used to bother me has been answered. The teaching of men will corrupt your soul-do not listen to them. Most religious men are as ignorant about God as the day is long.
Did you know that Christmas and Easter are Pagan abominations that have nothing to do with Yahuweh? Try that one in a "Church"LOL. Speaking of "Church"-the word doesn't exist in Yahuweh's message. It derrives from a Pagan sun goddess(circe) just like the word "Bible". Sunday worship is not only wrong-it is Satanic. Please do not confuse religion with God. It was the mistake I made, and it will cost you your soul.
I don't care what choice you make, my friend, but I would like to see you make an informed choice about your destination. God is real, Mak-He proves it a thousand times over.
The only thing I learned about God throughout all of my life, is how little is actually known.
People claim to speak to this God for over a millenia, yet for some reason can't even agree on simple points...
"Is Marriage good?"
"Is divorce ok?"
"How many versions of afterlife are there?"
"What is a soul?"
The only thing I've learned from all of my spiritual searching is that before I was born, I didn't exist, and it never bothered me then. Why should I be bothered by it happening when I die
Yes. It is crucial to Yahuweh as it establishes the type of familial relationship we are to have with Him. That's why He doesn't like it when we devalue His model (homosexuality)
"Is divorce ok?"
Yes, but not for leaving the cap off the toothbrush. In Hosea, Yahuweh divorces Isra'el, so He is very clear about being faithful and that a divorce can be appropriate.
One-Yahuweh's. Are you speaking of the three destinations?
"What is a soul?"
soul can be emotions, feelings,
desires, mind, heart, body, and life. A nesamah is different. Only we have it. It's why you never see a cow look to the sky and ponder it's existance.
"I didn't exist, and it never bothered me then. Why should I be bothered by it happening when I die "
That will be the most popular destination- the soul will simply cease to exist. It will be as if you never were. It's totally fair. You don't know Him, He doesn't know you. There is no torture and it isn't a perpetual thing. This is spoken of hundreds of times.
The ones who led you astray however, do not have it as good. Having said that, I must correct another church myth-there is no fire in hell. In fact "hell" doesn't exist. In a nut shell, "hell" was created for Satan and his minions. It was never intended for men. Satan is a spiritual being. How can something physical(fire), torment something spiritual(Satan)?
Moreover, "hell" is literally defined as a lightless abode. It wouldn't be with "fire", would it? "Fire" is symbolic of "divine judgement" in scripture. It is fitting because fire provides light, it separates, and it consumes. As evidence:
"Sodom and Gomorrah...are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 7) The judgmental fires rained down upon Sodom and Gomorrah have long since gone out, but the consequence reigns eternal. Religions are stupid.
Please tell me what this soul is. Where it is. What its purpose is.
Also if the way to salvation in your eyes is to ask Jesus into thy heart, then i have done that trice. Each time with more seriousness than the last.
Last time I checked, I am unable to pray to God without laughing my ass off and feeling like a goofball. I know because I was trying to be nice to Jezuzfreek77 when his wife divorced him.
Even though I didn't believe in God, I prayed for him in order to attempt to help comfort.
"Please tell me what this soul is. Where it is. What its purpose is."
Nephesh means soul. All animals have one-including insects. That's what scripture says. A "Nesamah" is our conscience. It's what seperates us from all other species. Mankind(starting w/Adam) is inique with this feature.
"Also if the way to salvation in your eyes is to ask Jesus into thy heart, then i have done that trice. Each time with more seriousness than the last."
Yahushua is His name-not Jesus. This is a touchy topic but I'll just ask "why? Why did you ask Him into your heart? You don't sound like you have any reason(s) to do that. That, BTW, is your nesamah. "Conscience" is really inadequate in it's definition but it's the best I had LOL
"Last time I checked, I am unable to pray to God without laughing my ass off and feeling like a goofball."
That's because you don't trust Him. You have seen no reason thus far. "I know because I was trying to be nice to Jezuzfreek77 when his wife divorced him."
Like I said, His name is Yahushua. How well do you really know someone if you don't even know their name?
I did that. I prayed to God. I stated in my prayer that I knew the earthly religions could not be true. They were religions of men. I wanted to know him, the true him. Unless he is pure emptyness, he never answered my prayer which was for him to give me just a bit of the conviction and passion others claim he filled them with.
I wanted to do good in his name, and spread his word throughout the world, and I asked specifically that I would do so without fame but to glorify him instead of me.
I didn't read Yahuweh in any bible, partly because I didn't like the bible enough to get very far in it.
I never made claims of reading the bible all the way through. It makes me sick to my stomach to read that bastardized book that says "believe in me or suffer, by the way I love you, but I have to prove it by having a blood sacrifice to appease me enough to cleanse your sins. It'll be delightful I promise. By the way drink my blood and eat my flesh please."
You're wrong, Mak. The book doesn't say that. Only ignorant men have taught you that. It's why you are unable to produce the verse that says it. There are CLEARLY three destinations in scripture.
"by the way I love you, but I have to prove it by having a blood sacrifice to appease me enough to cleanse your sins. "
Only blood atones for sins. It's the only way fallen man could have a chance to be with Him. That is an act of incredible love. "No greater love is there than a man who lays down his life for his friends".
" By the way drink my blood and eat my flesh please."
It doesn't say that either LOL. We are asked to remember His sacrifice on Passover by drinking wine and breaking bread. They are symbolic of the blood He shed, and for His body that was broken.
I guess the faith based feel that since we share a common disbelief. In their eyes it makes atheism a religion. I just simply tell them they are wrong.
the only place where Atheism is a religion is in the courts but thats all. Anyone who thinks it is must have no clue what a religion really is and what it takes to make one.
hi agat0r, you made a few mistakes in your previous posts.
1. hebrew wasn't the first written languages of mankind - you should check your references.
2. yahuweh is one name, but the priests who have written the pentateuch (five books of moses) believed in different gods (despite "yahuweh", in "elohim" or "el" in kanaan), that is the reason why the god character changes through the whole book.
3. apes (maybe other animals too) have a conscience and can distinguish between good and bad.
HarryTimson 3 years ago
you might have mixed some terms in this video. theism = the believe of a being who created the universe and manipulates it since today. deism = the believe in a being who created the universe and after this act, has no influence in our world anymore. adeism and atheism are the antithesis of these believes (atheos means no god), but they aren't no believes per se. atheists believe for example in christian morality and ethics, so in my opinion they are believes and therefore a religon.
HarryTimson 3 years ago
i think what you have ment was that antitheism is not a religion, because antitheist don't believe in any offspring of christian religion, like morality and ethics. in fact it is a term related to nihilism of Nietzsche (which is not the real nihilism - but that is another story).
HarryTimson 3 years ago
I think you're getting too caught up in the word play... The real definition of religion can encompass just about anything. Atheism CAN NOT be a religion though, since it is merely a lack of belief in a God therefor there is no claim being made.
Unless of course you want to start including "not riding unicorns" as your hobbies and not believing in the Flying Spaghetti monster as your religious preference.
Please don't get caught up into rhetorical nonsense.
makaisenki 3 years ago
a religion is per definition a phenomenon which affects human behavior, individual thinking and normativ moral concepts. atheists believe in christian morality and ethics, but not in a christian god (or higher beings at all). you could read "l'homme revolte" by Camus (maybe the English translation), he explains this premiss of atheism quite well.
and i didn't want to insult you, but you just used these terms so wrongly. that's all.
HarryTimson 3 years ago
None of the stuff you said really made a whole lot of sense due to lack of punctuation. Probably due to the 500 character limit.
When I say beliefs I mean things like "I believe there is not enough evidence to prove the existance of a God"
That is essentially the atheistic belief. There is not enough evidence.
So... essentially... anything more than that is just rhetorical nonsense.
Of course religion has more than 1 meaning and anti-theism could be a religion just like vegetarianism could
makaisenki 3 years ago
hmm.. i think people, who would say "there is not enough evidence to prove the existance of a God" are agnostics, but i could be wrong.
anti-theism cannot be a religion, because it lacks of all characteristics, religions have (like values, rituals, moral, etc.).
but i have to admit that vegetarianism could be a religon, because of their moral code (which differs from christian ethics).
and yes, the character limit is very annoying :).
HarryTimson 3 years ago
Well agnosticism is not a belief. It's a state of knowledge.
The agnostic position is "I don't know God or understand God"
That's not a belief though. That's a state of knowledge. A Gnostic Atheist does not exist. Nor does a Gnostic Theist exist. They would have to know God and undesrtand God in order to be Gnostic.
To be an atheist just means that we don't believe in God. You can be an agnostic theist or atheist. One who doesn't know if God exists but believes or does not believe he exists.
makaisenki 3 years ago
"I believe there is not enough evidence to prove the existance of a God"
Hey Mak, You know how I got here LOL. Have you ever considered that you perhaps haven't looked at the evidence? I proved it in my pm to you, didn't I? Did you know God's personal and proper name before I sent you that message? Be honest. The point? Simple. God put His name in His message to man, exactly 7000 times. I submit to you that if one doesn't know it, they can't possibly know the rest of what He says.
agat0r 3 years ago
Yes I knew yahuweh was the name of God.
Let me ask you a question have you ever looked into the existance of Alah, of the Gnostic Yahuweh, of Osirus, Krishna, Odin, Zeus, etc...
At least half of those were born of a virgin, died, ressurected, etc...
When I was a Christian I tried to read the bible. I do not believe that the things in the bible could ever be considered by me to be the divine word of God.
I have problems with just about everything in the bible as being written by a perfect God
makaisenki 3 years ago
I've studied what you asked. Can you prove that any of them existed before Yahuweh and His message to man? You must first do this, but you can't, so this is moot. Hebrew is the first alphebet and written language of mankind. The others are imposters-exactly what we'd expect from Satan.
"I have problems with just about everything"
Can you tell me what bothers you most?
agat0r 3 years ago
the 10 commandments. A good portion of them are all ego based commandments.
Commandments like "Thou shalt honor thy mother and thy father" that makes no sense to me. Should a child that was sexually, physically, and mentally abused respect their parents?
Even if you say that they can consider their foster parents as real parents, then what if they did the same thing to the kid? What about good for nothing fathers that walk out? Drug abusing mothers?
"Protect thy little ones" would be better
makaisenki 3 years ago
I agree 100%. And how can an earthly mother or father make it "so that your days are prolonged"? Stupid. I agree.
The reason I asked you is because I use to be you. Wanna know what bothered me besides what you just brought up? A loving God says "either love me or I will torture you forever". That's insane. He wouldn't be lovable-He would be a sadist.
agat0r 3 years ago
Yes, every church I know of teaches that!They all teach there are only two destinations. Too bad scripture speaks of three!!! It's why I asked you about "Yahuweh". You didn't read it in any Bible, I can tell you that.
Not one in a thousand christians knows the name of God.
agat0r 3 years ago
To be honest, you are too smart to be a christian, but here's what you don't know: God HATES religions-all of them. They are all wrong and they all lead astray. They are all invented by men. They all serve and enrich men-not God. I can promise you this: If you could unlearn everything you were taught and see God for who He actually is, you would change your mind.
agat0r 3 years ago
For instance: Did you know that God says in Genesis, that He has both male and female characteristics? Did you know that the Qodesh Ruach(Set Apart Spirit) is a feminine noun? She is our heavenly mother! Everything She does is motherly in scripture-She comforts, nurishes, teaches, and even supplies us the garment of light we need to stand in His presence.
agat0r 3 years ago
This family model(Father, mother, child) is very important to God.
Thus it is your heavenly Father and Mother whom the respect is for in the 5th commandment. If you'd like, we could do a deeper study of it to prove this is the case. Everything that used to bother me has been answered. The teaching of men will corrupt your soul-do not listen to them. Most religious men are as ignorant about God as the day is long.
agat0r 3 years ago
Did you know that Christmas and Easter are Pagan abominations that have nothing to do with Yahuweh? Try that one in a "Church"LOL. Speaking of "Church"-the word doesn't exist in Yahuweh's message. It derrives from a Pagan sun goddess(circe) just like the word "Bible". Sunday worship is not only wrong-it is Satanic. Please do not confuse religion with God. It was the mistake I made, and it will cost you your soul.
agat0r 3 years ago
I don't care what choice you make, my friend, but I would like to see you make an informed choice about your destination. God is real, Mak-He proves it a thousand times over.
agat0r 3 years ago
The only thing I learned about God throughout all of my life, is how little is actually known.
People claim to speak to this God for over a millenia, yet for some reason can't even agree on simple points...
"Is Marriage good?"
"Is divorce ok?"
"How many versions of afterlife are there?"
"What is a soul?"
The only thing I've learned from all of my spiritual searching is that before I was born, I didn't exist, and it never bothered me then. Why should I be bothered by it happening when I die
makaisenki 3 years ago
"The only thing I learned about God throughout all of my life, is how little is actually known."
I used to think that also.
"People claim to speak to this God for over a millenia, yet for some reason can't even agree on simple points..."
True
agat0r 3 years ago
"Is Marriage good?"
Yes. It is crucial to Yahuweh as it establishes the type of familial relationship we are to have with Him. That's why He doesn't like it when we devalue His model (homosexuality)
"Is divorce ok?"
Yes, but not for leaving the cap off the toothbrush. In Hosea, Yahuweh divorces Isra'el, so He is very clear about being faithful and that a divorce can be appropriate.
agat0r 3 years ago
"How many versions of afterlife are there?"
One-Yahuweh's. Are you speaking of the three destinations?
"What is a soul?"
soul can be emotions, feelings,
desires, mind, heart, body, and life. A nesamah is different. Only we have it. It's why you never see a cow look to the sky and ponder it's existance.
agat0r 3 years ago
"I didn't exist, and it never bothered me then. Why should I be bothered by it happening when I die "
That will be the most popular destination- the soul will simply cease to exist. It will be as if you never were. It's totally fair. You don't know Him, He doesn't know you. There is no torture and it isn't a perpetual thing. This is spoken of hundreds of times.
agat0r 3 years ago
The ones who led you astray however, do not have it as good. Having said that, I must correct another church myth-there is no fire in hell. In fact "hell" doesn't exist. In a nut shell, "hell" was created for Satan and his minions. It was never intended for men. Satan is a spiritual being. How can something physical(fire), torment something spiritual(Satan)?
agat0r 3 years ago
Moreover, "hell" is literally defined as a lightless abode. It wouldn't be with "fire", would it? "Fire" is symbolic of "divine judgement" in scripture. It is fitting because fire provides light, it separates, and it consumes. As evidence:
"Sodom and Gomorrah...are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 7) The judgmental fires rained down upon Sodom and Gomorrah have long since gone out, but the consequence reigns eternal. Religions are stupid.
agat0r 3 years ago
Please tell me what this soul is. Where it is. What its purpose is.
Also if the way to salvation in your eyes is to ask Jesus into thy heart, then i have done that trice. Each time with more seriousness than the last.
Last time I checked, I am unable to pray to God without laughing my ass off and feeling like a goofball. I know because I was trying to be nice to Jezuzfreek77 when his wife divorced him.
Even though I didn't believe in God, I prayed for him in order to attempt to help comfort.
makaisenki 3 years ago
Had to step away for a minute.
"Please tell me what this soul is. Where it is. What its purpose is."
Nephesh means soul. All animals have one-including insects. That's what scripture says. A "Nesamah" is our conscience. It's what seperates us from all other species. Mankind(starting w/Adam) is inique with this feature.
agat0r 3 years ago
"Also if the way to salvation in your eyes is to ask Jesus into thy heart, then i have done that trice. Each time with more seriousness than the last."
Yahushua is His name-not Jesus. This is a touchy topic but I'll just ask "why? Why did you ask Him into your heart? You don't sound like you have any reason(s) to do that. That, BTW, is your nesamah. "Conscience" is really inadequate in it's definition but it's the best I had LOL
agat0r 3 years ago
"Last time I checked, I am unable to pray to God without laughing my ass off and feeling like a goofball."
That's because you don't trust Him. You have seen no reason thus far. "I know because I was trying to be nice to Jezuzfreek77 when his wife divorced him."
Like I said, His name is Yahushua. How well do you really know someone if you don't even know their name?
agat0r 3 years ago
@agat0r every living thing is conscious
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I did that. I prayed to God. I stated in my prayer that I knew the earthly religions could not be true. They were religions of men. I wanted to know him, the true him. Unless he is pure emptyness, he never answered my prayer which was for him to give me just a bit of the conviction and passion others claim he filled them with.
I wanted to do good in his name, and spread his word throughout the world, and I asked specifically that I would do so without fame but to glorify him instead of me.
makaisenki 3 years ago
I didn't read Yahuweh in any bible, partly because I didn't like the bible enough to get very far in it.
I never made claims of reading the bible all the way through. It makes me sick to my stomach to read that bastardized book that says "believe in me or suffer, by the way I love you, but I have to prove it by having a blood sacrifice to appease me enough to cleanse your sins. It'll be delightful I promise. By the way drink my blood and eat my flesh please."
makaisenki 3 years ago
"book that says "believe in me or suffer, "
You're wrong, Mak. The book doesn't say that. Only ignorant men have taught you that. It's why you are unable to produce the verse that says it. There are CLEARLY three destinations in scripture.
agat0r 3 years ago
"by the way I love you, but I have to prove it by having a blood sacrifice to appease me enough to cleanse your sins. "
Only blood atones for sins. It's the only way fallen man could have a chance to be with Him. That is an act of incredible love. "No greater love is there than a man who lays down his life for his friends".
agat0r 3 years ago
" By the way drink my blood and eat my flesh please."
It doesn't say that either LOL. We are asked to remember His sacrifice on Passover by drinking wine and breaking bread. They are symbolic of the blood He shed, and for His body that was broken.
agat0r 3 years ago
FUCK YES! Finally someone realizes this.
oDLusiono 3 years ago
That must be why Bill Maher calls Atheists, Rationalists.....
HappyModder87 3 years ago
I guess the faith based feel that since we share a common disbelief. In their eyes it makes atheism a religion. I just simply tell them they are wrong.
GoMetricToday 3 years ago
the only place where Atheism is a religion is in the courts but thats all. Anyone who thinks it is must have no clue what a religion really is and what it takes to make one.
masterhook 3 years ago