@boeing159 Remember, it's simplified for beginners.
But, you're correct. Remember if a wing has max airspeed of 20mph e.g. and you are facing a 10mph wind, then you can only run at 10mph max anyway, but airspeed is 20mph.
thansk for the great vid. Very informative, and for those who cant see the flying beauty, please continue fixating on the sunglasses or the nice green grass.
Hi all, I want to buy a paraglider LTF 1-2. With so many brands on the market, someone can help me choose the best on the market today. Please post your opinion, thanks
Why not learn the correct way to do things in the first place. For example why not use the "cross brake reverse launch" ? You never let go of the brake lines at any time so are in control ALL the time during launch. I suppose I am bias as I learned it on a course many years ago.
Today even though wings are much more stable they can still bite. Experience is hard won some times. Nice video though !!
Better off at least watching this than unfurling one from a bag and jumping !! IMHO
Why not learn the correct way to do things in the first place and go on a course.
Just for example why not use the "cross brake reverse launch" ? You never let go of the brake lines at any time so are in control ALL the time during launch.
Today even though wings are much more stable they can still bite.Experience is hard won some times. Nice video though !! Better off at least watching this than unfurling one from a bag and jumping !! IMHO
I'm a complete novice still - just a few low hops and landings, but here's my one cent's worth: I found the video explanation clear and very informative. It's good to break up the instruction (for e.g. take-off) into easily digested pieces. By the way, I'm glad I have an instructor and more experienced flyers to fly with: you learn a lot by looking and discussing.
One thing this clip and audio seem to skip is the importance of weight shift when trying to kite the glider in place while you get ready to turn, and agian to launch.
The video is helpful, though. I have been thinking of adding this skill. From parachute to paraglider. Telling me a little about the general dynamics and control system is not only helpful, but something of a motivator. Thanks for creating and posting it.
I do disagree, if you teach yourself, chances are you will have poor technique. and will have missed that one thing that will possibly land you up in hospital or worse.. having someone with experience to sort out all those things that make it easier and safer is worth its weight in gold. Even taught pilots at competition level can aways learn and benefit from good coaching and instruction. Its hard to see yourself! (even if you video yourself) . A good instructor is the best money you will spend
I agree to disagree. Modern paragliding has been built up into a mythically hard sport which "you will get hurt or worse doing" if you dont pay some person lots of money to tell you everything you just read in a how to book. I agree there is always room for coaching if you want to become an expert, but it is not a necessity to enjoy simple paragliding on your own. There is a reason paragliding does not require a license in the U.S. which is already one of the most over regulated cultures.
HI Guys, I have been teaching PG for 18 yrs and flying for more. I hope no one watches this and thinks they can teach themselves! The best money you will ever spend in flying is on a good instructor.. a really good instructor and not a one trick pony. A good instructor will have taught and can teach all types and tricks of launch, will adapt to terrain, conditions, and student ability. Will have simple cures for all your problems.. you wont get that from a video, ...not this one.. expert?
I agree. I was the instructor in this video, it's actually just a short clip from a video series where I state several times that these videos are to supplement training, not replace it. GO TO A QUALIFIED INSTRUCTOR to Learn paragliding! And a correction to the video, yes keeping a litte brake pressure on during launch is important so you can feel if the wing is going to deflate, and stop it from happening. How much brake pressure? Depends ....Ask your instructor:) Stay Safe everyone!!
I actually taught myself to paraglide a little over a year ago with a Gin Bolero, paragliding "how-to" book and some youtube supplementation. I never paid thousands to an instructor and I enjoy safe flights all over the country all the time. There are some things you only learn through experience, but if you are smart and stick to flying in the right conditions with other pilots, paragliding can be a very enjoyable home taught experience! I know you will disagree, it's just how I did it.
what a bullshit you need to have a little pressure on brakes all the time to have a control during launch and going forward, and as the wing is moving up to your head you need to apply brakes depending on the wind and so on people don't listen to this guy because on the beginning you will crash during launch.....
If the video is bad and should be removed or updated, can you please provide information for better videos? What was wrong? What are the new techniques?
That's not the case. Paragliders are inherently stable. They can suffer a collapse in rough conditions but generally they open right up again with no active pilot input.
Don't buy a paraglider on Ebay. I did and after flying off Mt Leinster Wexford Ireland and landing safely I realized I flew with 2 lines hanging from threads! See my video. Take professional lessons as paragliding is potentially dangerous and enjoy. Just got a new wing this week - Koyot from Niviuk.Lookin forward to the weekend yippee.
Under any circumstance do not attempt to learn by yourself how to fly a paraglider. It might seem to be simple and safe, but without any knowledge about safety techniques, rapid descend techniques, fabric and materials, turning, recovery etc...you gonna end up in a hospital at best.
@bluepareofeyes2009 I appreciate what you're saying, but I've learnt to scuba. the instructor basically handed up a two inch thick manual. we taught ourselves and paid out hundreds for the privilege. hopefully paragliding won't be the same
Are you crazy ??? As an experimented paraglider, I can tell you that there are many many things you need to know before flying alone for the first time !! So many reflexes to have !!!
Nice video - the only thing to add is before committing to the take-off check that the airspace clear of other gliders, model planes and flying Nuns!!
A riser is the part the paraglider where the numerous lines from the wing are brought together. Paragliders have two risers made of nylon webbing, one for each side. The risers are attached to the harness with a carabiner.
under controlled conditions we face the wing ,inflate turn and launch.I have watched a few "pilots"take off facing backwards.Those guys were not very bright.!!
Not so. This is a reverse inflation to a forward launch. A true reverse lauch is when the pilot leaves the ground and takes flight backwards. After lauching the pilot allows the harness to spin around to be facing forward. This is an advanced launch, usually used in very strong conditions.
Yes, we've all been yanked off the ground and spun round. In essence that's no different to this. Just less controlled. Both are reverse launches. Back to the original point - reverse launch is understood perfectly throughout the PG world - don't confuse the issue by inserting pedantic new terms.
These are not new terms. Yes, I agree that it is common to call a reverse to forward, "A Reverse". It takes very little effort to correctly explain the differance to a newer student. It's better to know the correct terms for the two different types of launches. Being yanked off launch is due to a lack of control and not the same as a controled reverse to forward. With instruction and practice a reverse launch is a controled launch technique, not an accident.
Not just commom - standard. Suggest you google 'reverse launch' - nothing else and see what comes up. Being yanked off launch is pretty uncontrolled (some do it sweetly because they need to do it a lot), usually due to thermals ripping through launch. In that scenario, it may not be so much about instruction and practice, but about choosing whether you should fly or not.
lol a forward launch is where you pull your wing up with your back to the wing ,, a reverse launch is where you pull your wing up facing your wing,, obviously you turn arround to take off on a reverse launch
lol ok so This guy inflates his wing in the reverse manner then turns around facing forward then launches hrmmmmm a reverse/forward launch hahahaa Americans! we just call them reverse launches where i come from...
Ever wondered why 40% of all PG accidents are on take off... well most of what is shown on this 'Forward' (it's in fact a REVERSE launch) is the opposite of what I've been teaching for ten years, but then my students have less than 5% of the accident rate typical in the sport.. That said a few of the comments match what I teach, shame the video does not match!
Completely agree with comments about the video not matching the title - this is not a forward launch!
After 3 years of flying my conclusion is that if I was teaching I wouldn't let a student go near a training slope until they master kiting forwards and backwards in all winds. After that launches would be a piece of cake.
Unfortunately few have the time and patience for that - its more about getting your feet off the ground ASAP.
Where I trained we did days of reverse kiting before we'd launch, of course that had a lot to do woth the fact that our launch site wasn't a slope but a cliff.
A reverse launch is...pushing off backwards, usually on a very steep hill, and then doing a half spin while in the air, so you're eventually flying forward.
You are not an instructor! Don't pretend to be one.
This video shows a reverse inflation, with a forward launch.
The video is an example of "perfect advice" IF you WANT to suffer from the normal accident rates... the comments "no break" while the clips show at LEAST a foot of brake being pulled are clear indications of one of the reasons why 40% of PG accidents are on launch! Title a clip of a REVERSE launche as "forward launch" and pilots will notice the errors!
murrayhay, I doubt that you have ever taken a ride on a paraglider, let alone, been an instructor for 10 years. Why don't you post a video of a forward launch then, and show us all how to do it. And yes, I am aware of how to do a forward inflation. (If that's what you're trying to say.)
Mmm lets see I've over 300 Paragliding video clips up on YouTube already.. a signifance number of which are with students on Dual Control training flights on G-BZJI.. ONE OF US clearly does instruct (and has for 10 years), re forward launch the ONLY time I ever do one is to demonstrate (towards the end of training) how to do them and why (in general) they are a wate of effort as a zero wind REVERSE launch is easier (and safer)!
Do you have trouble in basic reading (and comprehension)? 1) I would FAIL a student that was stupid enough to follow the advice given in this clip.. 2) It is of course (as several others have also pointed out!) a REVERSE launch. 3) We do NOT do 'forward launches' as they are in 99.9% situations LESS efficent and certainly less safe than reverse launches, so general ONLY used in launching in katabatic conditions (tailwind)for obvious practical reasons.
murrayhay, I am glad I never took lessons from you. OK, what do you call it when you launch from a hillside steep slope, and push off backwards? And spin around in the air to face forward? Reverse launch? Uh huh, I thought so!
FORWARD launch is where from wing on ground>pilot in the air: pilot REMAINS facing the same (into wind) way! REVERSE launch the pilot AT SOME POINT DURING THE COMPLETE LAUNCH SEQUENCE turns to facing the flight direction... This is BASIC stuff. Re your comment on lessons, I will always REFUSE to carry on with training to students that are stupid or reckless so I would NOT teach you! Over the last 10 year my students have had LESS than 5% of the normal PG accident rates (inc. RE-training pilots)
WHY ON EARTH would I be so stupid to "go back to the books" have you not worked out that neither I NOR my student wish to suffer from the accident rates that results from incompitent instruction! That said you will find that regarding this clip the books WILL agree that it IS a REVERSE launch! What is it about those from The Point that they often can't grasp even the basics of good aviation practice?
If you search youtube for reverse launch, you will see a paraglider launching from a steep hill, in windy conditions. He launches backward, REVERSE. That is a reverse launch.
For the terminally stupid... A REVERSE launch is where the pilot starts FACING th ewing and at some point turns to the flight direction... a "Backwards" launch (even YOU managed to get that little bit right!) is when the pilot turns AFTER leaving the ground... A FORWARD launch the pilot is ALWAYS facing the flight direction... BASIC stuff! Time you knew it..
Remind me... in the last ten year just how many 100's US PG pilots have "left" the sport due to accidents..... and the US accident rate is almost DOUBLE that of the appaling accident rate of the BHPA in the UK...
Backwards is one word.... Reverse is another word... and Gee Forward is yet another word... as said in T2 "you can do combinations" so you could (if you wanted to) do a "Forward" and then before leaving the ground flick around to carry on as "Backwards" into the air... but it would STILL be a "Forward Launch"... just as a "REVERSE launch" remains a "Reverse"
Ok so by your (some what twisted) logic what would YOU call a launch where the pilots does a FORWARD launch but turns around just prior to leaving the ground so they leave the ground moving BACKWARDS....? Remember they did NOT bring the wing up in the REVERSE launch position so it can NOT be a "Reverse Launch"....
Well I will leave you to your own incompitance, fortunatly my students know better than to 'buy into' the sort of 'advice' in this clip not too mention the foolish comments you keep making. If you ever get tired to the appaling accident rates such stupidity gives rise to you have my contact details. Talking of students its time (2am) to check out the equipment required for todays training.
Short clip/does not show the launch method! If high wind: pilot FACING forwards can be moving backwardsthis is often seen on US tandem 'assisted' FORWARD/REVERSE 'asisted' launches. flight direction & direction pilots faces on TAKE OFF, never matches, in BOTH cases on leaving the ground the pilot is facing in the 'flight direction' but NOT the direction of movement!
murrayhay, I looked through my paragliding training manual, and found a lot of info on forward and reverse INFLATIONS, not so much on reverse launches. But there is some info on that. You should read it. Anyway, why don't you send me the official info YOU have on reverse launches. (Not opinions, or hearsay, but real, correct terminology). A reverse launch is not the same as a reverse inflation.
As you are in the states I have already sent you the relevant refrence taken from the USHGA Instructors manual (2001) if YOU still cant work out you error there is little hope that me or all the others pointing out your mistake will help you improve!
A reverse launch remains as it always has been one where the pilot starts the launch FACING the wing.. learn to live with that fact!
The point of the video isnt to be as dangerous as possible by taking off while having knives thrown at you, its basic training tips, whether or not some of the advise isnt very good as some other peoples comments would tell you...
and as for you not being interested, who gives a shit if your interested or not?
open your eyes and realise there are some people who are new to paragliding. Thankyou
Disagree with one thing. Once turned around should NOT relieve all brake pressure.. You should always keep active brake pressure to prevent colapse however light pressure that may be.
I don't agree with 2 things: 1st: "breaks off". While starting you should breake a little: it prevents possible collapses and the take-off speed is a bit lower. 2nd: "Torpedo position". Even if you might see at competitions, for students it's not good, to lean on that much, because if the have a small collapse, the will land right on their face. Lean foreward is ok, but not the torpedo position.
I think the brakes off comment is easier for students to interpret - they usually lack the fineese to determine just the right amount. If they are truly doing no wind forwards then they want the wing flying as fast as possible. Most of my forward mistakes were due to too much brake...
For torpedo I think its good because it keeps you low in case you are lifted early and gives you more traction. Regardless isn't it better to fall forwards than be dumped on your ass and fracture your spine?
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CutiaaPastyaa878 11 months ago 12
HEY FRNDS CHECK OUT MY PARAGLIDING ADVENTURE IN HIMALAYAS,INDIA-watch?v=inEbOZjCcs0
debashishjena 11 months ago
Teaching yourself to fly usually raises the average intelligence of the area.....
SuperAviatar 1 year ago 2
k i think im reddy now
W012248 1 year ago
wow..
manishjs19 1 year ago
Thanks body, no many people share the knowledge
Caminanteaereo23 1 year ago
the matrix guy
carystark 1 year ago
is this dolt a tranny?
azzy314159 1 year ago
his mama looking for her glasses.
azzy314159 1 year ago
cool
JetDriver1111 1 year ago
do you always need wind to para glide? What if there is no wind
mirjan23 1 year ago
@jaywildman69 OMG I LOL'd HARD !!
SNDNGRKLR 1 year ago
I've decided to teach myself to fly. Are there any self teaching materials I should know of?
zacheryandersen 1 year ago
I wouldn't call the speed that you run the key factor in take off... Shouldn't it be airflow over the wing? Just my opinion...
boeing159 1 year ago
@boeing159 Remember, it's simplified for beginners.
But, you're correct. Remember if a wing has max airspeed of 20mph e.g. and you are facing a 10mph wind, then you can only run at 10mph max anyway, but airspeed is 20mph.
I think you understand it fine anyway.
(just my opinion :)
zalida100 1 year ago
Great information. I'm most of the way through my course.
doggydivemaster 1 year ago
you have to be idiot when you try to paraglide or any extreme sport after watching short film on Youtube.
bodzio103 1 year ago
Very clever to learn/teach how to take-off on youtube...
I try this afternoon, and
Tomorrow I'll watch the landing vid...
amseez 1 year ago
@amseez lol nice. Hope you're still able to read this comment!
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groganzolla1 1 year ago
thansk for the great vid. Very informative, and for those who cant see the flying beauty, please continue fixating on the sunglasses or the nice green grass.
headgalskit401 1 year ago
man, this glasses are gay!
very baaa-haaad...!
TheDaveOmat 1 year ago
foxy ....
celliam 1 year ago
what's in the backpack?
letterbekmen 1 year ago
@letterbekmen a safety chute as well as padding and a seat.
clarisd 1 year ago
Very nice starting place :-)
MrLukeriha 1 year ago
very informative. Can't wait to try it
unicyclehoopster 1 year ago
Hi ,I like paraglyding .This vedio is nice n good.
himalstha1 2 years ago
Hi all, I want to buy a paraglider LTF 1-2. With so many brands on the market, someone can help me choose the best on the market today. Please post your opinion, thanks
braz31nj 2 years ago
Hi, Recently purchased a SOL Ellus 3 and have done 9 hours thermalling(Australian summer) & 30 hours coastal on this wing.
Love this wing it'ds dynamic enough to be interesting performs very well and is very soild even in the rough stuff.
previously flew dhv2 wings.
5 other locals have now bought ellus 3's
Greg H aka Baldy
holbuti 2 years ago
Gin Sprint is superb
reivanen 1 year ago
oops seems co ordination is somewhat lacking, posted twice, never mind accidents happen
iamthelordofhellfire 2 years ago
Why not learn the correct way to do things in the first place. For example why not use the "cross brake reverse launch" ? You never let go of the brake lines at any time so are in control ALL the time during launch. I suppose I am bias as I learned it on a course many years ago.
Today even though wings are much more stable they can still bite. Experience is hard won some times. Nice video though !!
Better off at least watching this than unfurling one from a bag and jumping !! IMHO
iamthelordofhellfire 2 years ago
Why not learn the correct way to do things in the first place and go on a course.
Just for example why not use the "cross brake reverse launch" ? You never let go of the brake lines at any time so are in control ALL the time during launch.
Today even though wings are much more stable they can still bite.Experience is hard won some times. Nice video though !! Better off at least watching this than unfurling one from a bag and jumping !! IMHO
iamthelordofhellfire 2 years ago
I'm a complete novice still - just a few low hops and landings, but here's my one cent's worth: I found the video explanation clear and very informative. It's good to break up the instruction (for e.g. take-off) into easily digested pieces. By the way, I'm glad I have an instructor and more experienced flyers to fly with: you learn a lot by looking and discussing.
phreykin 2 years ago
One thing this clip and audio seem to skip is the importance of weight shift when trying to kite the glider in place while you get ready to turn, and agian to launch.
Curious425 2 years ago
Where was taked the images of that video?
yovuelolibre 2 years ago
The video is helpful, though. I have been thinking of adding this skill. From parachute to paraglider. Telling me a little about the general dynamics and control system is not only helpful, but something of a motivator. Thanks for creating and posting it.
LawnDart055 2 years ago
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xfmluder 2 years ago
lol
sourmanofcoal 2 years ago
I do disagree, if you teach yourself, chances are you will have poor technique. and will have missed that one thing that will possibly land you up in hospital or worse.. having someone with experience to sort out all those things that make it easier and safer is worth its weight in gold. Even taught pilots at competition level can aways learn and benefit from good coaching and instruction. Its hard to see yourself! (even if you video yourself) . A good instructor is the best money you will spend
alexiabeth 2 years ago 2
I agree to disagree. Modern paragliding has been built up into a mythically hard sport which "you will get hurt or worse doing" if you dont pay some person lots of money to tell you everything you just read in a how to book. I agree there is always room for coaching if you want to become an expert, but it is not a necessity to enjoy simple paragliding on your own. There is a reason paragliding does not require a license in the U.S. which is already one of the most over regulated cultures.
norwejon 2 years ago
you gotta have license in europe :D
sourmanofcoal 2 years ago 3
HI Guys, I have been teaching PG for 18 yrs and flying for more. I hope no one watches this and thinks they can teach themselves! The best money you will ever spend in flying is on a good instructor.. a really good instructor and not a one trick pony. A good instructor will have taught and can teach all types and tricks of launch, will adapt to terrain, conditions, and student ability. Will have simple cures for all your problems.. you wont get that from a video, ...not this one.. expert?
alexiabeth 2 years ago
I agree. I was the instructor in this video, it's actually just a short clip from a video series where I state several times that these videos are to supplement training, not replace it. GO TO A QUALIFIED INSTRUCTOR to Learn paragliding! And a correction to the video, yes keeping a litte brake pressure on during launch is important so you can feel if the wing is going to deflate, and stop it from happening. How much brake pressure? Depends ....Ask your instructor:) Stay Safe everyone!!
WingEnvy 2 years ago 2
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norwejon 2 years ago
I actually taught myself to paraglide a little over a year ago with a Gin Bolero, paragliding "how-to" book and some youtube supplementation. I never paid thousands to an instructor and I enjoy safe flights all over the country all the time. There are some things you only learn through experience, but if you are smart and stick to flying in the right conditions with other pilots, paragliding can be a very enjoyable home taught experience! I know you will disagree, it's just how I did it.
norwejon 2 years ago
there is one just new in the basque country.
azulygaranza 2 years ago
LOL an paragliding online guide? wtf
SeitxiS 2 years ago
what a bullshit you need to have a little pressure on brakes all the time to have a control during launch and going forward, and as the wing is moving up to your head you need to apply brakes depending on the wind and so on people don't listen to this guy because on the beginning you will crash during launch.....
paraflying 2 years ago
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Vortigon 2 years ago
so whats the proper technique then?
HOPPERFZR 2 years ago
Vortigon,
If the video is bad and should be removed or updated, can you please provide information for better videos? What was wrong? What are the new techniques?
imrational 2 years ago
Nice video...
RanauRaptor 2 years ago
hang gliding looks more safer to me. PAra gliders look like they can turn inside out ver easily
fayik123 3 years ago
You know, we had a hang glider fatality in Finland, today.. A student lost control after a tow, dived and crashed :(
proileri 3 years ago
That's not the case. Paragliders are inherently stable. They can suffer a collapse in rough conditions but generally they open right up again with no active pilot input.
dorbie 2 years ago
I have got to get me one of these now I know how to do it after watching the video.
Off to ebay to get a cheap second hand one and then onto Dover where there are some huge cliffs to jump off.
pickleboy23 3 years ago
Spare the money and jump without it. The result will be the same :)
aromanro 3 years ago
Don't buy a paraglider on Ebay. I did and after flying off Mt Leinster Wexford Ireland and landing safely I realized I flew with 2 lines hanging from threads! See my video. Take professional lessons as paragliding is potentially dangerous and enjoy. Just got a new wing this week - Koyot from Niviuk.Lookin forward to the weekend yippee.
geniennis 3 years ago
Under any circumstance do not attempt to learn by yourself how to fly a paraglider. It might seem to be simple and safe, but without any knowledge about safety techniques, rapid descend techniques, fabric and materials, turning, recovery etc...you gonna end up in a hospital at best.
bluepareofeyes2009 2 years ago 28
@bluepareofeyes2009 I appreciate what you're saying, but I've learnt to scuba. the instructor basically handed up a two inch thick manual. we taught ourselves and paid out hundreds for the privilege. hopefully paragliding won't be the same
lexichronicle 1 year ago
@bluepareofeyes2009 first time i flew, i basejumped. alone. only with the prior knowledge of packing the chute.
Disturbingdarkmind 1 year ago
@bluepareofeyes2009 I'm in awe of anyone who is self taught. They must have endured a lot of pain due to crashing and being dragged around the place.
lgarvey 1 year ago
@bluepareofeyes2009 I tried paragliding before the beginner course, and flew up into a tree xD (without any damage thanksfully)
XxR4z0r1991xX 1 year ago
Are you crazy ??? As an experimented paraglider, I can tell you that there are many many things you need to know before flying alone for the first time !! So many reflexes to have !!!
noeteyssedou 2 years ago 2
Great video,
hardmanmark69 3 years ago
GR8 VID . Thanks
geniennis 3 years ago
very nice video. Where is that site? CA?
juevondue 3 years ago
Nice video - the only thing to add is before committing to the take-off check that the airspace clear of other gliders, model planes and flying Nuns!!
sbwords 3 years ago
pedalska opowiesc, brak przelozenia w teorii
usiazwrzosowiska 3 years ago
I love the "fin" on the head of the pilot when he lifts the glider. (Why not use a bullet cam?)
EtienneBe 3 years ago
Whats a raiser, please??
valvetrom 4 years ago
A riser is the part the paraglider where the numerous lines from the wing are brought together. Paragliders have two risers made of nylon webbing, one for each side. The risers are attached to the harness with a carabiner.
cbobfly 4 years ago 2
under controlled conditions we face the wing ,inflate turn and launch.I have watched a few "pilots"take off facing backwards.Those guys were not very bright.!!
alamcculloch 3 years ago
Of course it's a reverse launch. The idea of hurling yourself off backwards is simply barking!
Riskman99 4 years ago
Not so. This is a reverse inflation to a forward launch. A true reverse lauch is when the pilot leaves the ground and takes flight backwards. After lauching the pilot allows the harness to spin around to be facing forward. This is an advanced launch, usually used in very strong conditions.
cbobfly 4 years ago
Yes, we've all been yanked off the ground and spun round. In essence that's no different to this. Just less controlled. Both are reverse launches. Back to the original point - reverse launch is understood perfectly throughout the PG world - don't confuse the issue by inserting pedantic new terms.
Riskman99 4 years ago
These are not new terms. Yes, I agree that it is common to call a reverse to forward, "A Reverse". It takes very little effort to correctly explain the differance to a newer student. It's better to know the correct terms for the two different types of launches. Being yanked off launch is due to a lack of control and not the same as a controled reverse to forward. With instruction and practice a reverse launch is a controled launch technique, not an accident.
cbobfly 4 years ago
Not just commom - standard. Suggest you google 'reverse launch' - nothing else and see what comes up. Being yanked off launch is pretty uncontrolled (some do it sweetly because they need to do it a lot), usually due to thermals ripping through launch. In that scenario, it may not be so much about instruction and practice, but about choosing whether you should fly or not.
Riskman99 4 years ago
Hmmmm... Yeh.. usually used in strong conditions (when control has been lost) Nobobody would intentionally launch with crossed lines... be honest!
DIZZYskin 4 years ago
check out my style fellow pilots,, tell me what you think
ziggafoola 4 years ago
lol a forward launch is where you pull your wing up with your back to the wing ,, a reverse launch is where you pull your wing up facing your wing,, obviously you turn arround to take off on a reverse launch
ziggafoola 4 years ago 3
lol ok so This guy inflates his wing in the reverse manner then turns around facing forward then launches hrmmmmm a reverse/forward launch hahahaa Americans! we just call them reverse launches where i come from...
upnupnup 4 years ago 2
Nicely done forward launch, with a reverse inflation!
Thanks for the great instructional video.
oweikdio 4 years ago
Nicely done reverse launch, but it is a reverse launch not a forward.
PPGAddict 4 years ago
Its a reverse inflation, forward launch.
oweikdio 4 years ago
Best thing to do is find a good instructor
you can look up USHPA aero website and search by state in USA
FreeSpiritParaglide 4 years ago
Heh heh, what if the wind just picked the parachute up while you weren't ready, and you were hanging on... >.>
Drocien 4 years ago
Ever wondered why 40% of all PG accidents are on take off... well most of what is shown on this 'Forward' (it's in fact a REVERSE launch) is the opposite of what I've been teaching for ten years, but then my students have less than 5% of the accident rate typical in the sport.. That said a few of the comments match what I teach, shame the video does not match!
murrayhay 4 years ago
Completely agree with comments about the video not matching the title - this is not a forward launch!
After 3 years of flying my conclusion is that if I was teaching I wouldn't let a student go near a training slope until they master kiting forwards and backwards in all winds. After that launches would be a piece of cake.
Unfortunately few have the time and patience for that - its more about getting your feet off the ground ASAP.
whogrant 4 years ago
It's a forward launch, idiot!
oweikdio 4 years ago
Where I trained we did days of reverse kiting before we'd launch, of course that had a lot to do woth the fact that our launch site wasn't a slope but a cliff.
dorbie 2 years ago
A reverse launch is...pushing off backwards, usually on a very steep hill, and then doing a half spin while in the air, so you're eventually flying forward.
You are not an instructor! Don't pretend to be one.
This video shows a reverse inflation, with a forward launch.
This video is picture perfect advice.
oweikdio 4 years ago
The video is an example of "perfect advice" IF you WANT to suffer from the normal accident rates... the comments "no break" while the clips show at LEAST a foot of brake being pulled are clear indications of one of the reasons why 40% of PG accidents are on launch! Title a clip of a REVERSE launche as "forward launch" and pilots will notice the errors!
murrayhay 4 years ago
murrayhay, I doubt that you have ever taken a ride on a paraglider, let alone, been an instructor for 10 years. Why don't you post a video of a forward launch then, and show us all how to do it. And yes, I am aware of how to do a forward inflation. (If that's what you're trying to say.)
oweikdio 4 years ago
Mmm lets see I've over 300 Paragliding video clips up on YouTube already.. a signifance number of which are with students on Dual Control training flights on G-BZJI.. ONE OF US clearly does instruct (and has for 10 years), re forward launch the ONLY time I ever do one is to demonstrate (towards the end of training) how to do them and why (in general) they are a wate of effort as a zero wind REVERSE launch is easier (and safer)!
murrayhay 4 years ago
It's a reverse inflation, forward launch. Why don't you post a link to one of YOUR "forward launches."
oweikdio 4 years ago
Do you have trouble in basic reading (and comprehension)? 1) I would FAIL a student that was stupid enough to follow the advice given in this clip.. 2) It is of course (as several others have also pointed out!) a REVERSE launch. 3) We do NOT do 'forward launches' as they are in 99.9% situations LESS efficent and certainly less safe than reverse launches, so general ONLY used in launching in katabatic conditions (tailwind)for obvious practical reasons.
murrayhay 4 years ago
murrayhay, I am glad I never took lessons from you. OK, what do you call it when you launch from a hillside steep slope, and push off backwards? And spin around in the air to face forward? Reverse launch? Uh huh, I thought so!
oweikdio 4 years ago
FORWARD launch is where from wing on ground>pilot in the air: pilot REMAINS facing the same (into wind) way! REVERSE launch the pilot AT SOME POINT DURING THE COMPLETE LAUNCH SEQUENCE turns to facing the flight direction... This is BASIC stuff. Re your comment on lessons, I will always REFUSE to carry on with training to students that are stupid or reckless so I would NOT teach you! Over the last 10 year my students have had LESS than 5% of the normal PG accident rates (inc. RE-training pilots)
murrayhay 4 years ago
murrayhay
It's a reverse inflation, forward launch..
You're talking about a forward inflation, and if I were you, I would not encourage my students to look at my posts on youtube!
YOU need to go back to the books!
oweikdio 4 years ago
WHY ON EARTH would I be so stupid to "go back to the books" have you not worked out that neither I NOR my student wish to suffer from the accident rates that results from incompitent instruction! That said you will find that regarding this clip the books WILL agree that it IS a REVERSE launch! What is it about those from The Point that they often can't grasp even the basics of good aviation practice?
murrayhay 4 years ago
Murrayhay,
If you search youtube for reverse launch, you will see a paraglider launching from a steep hill, in windy conditions. He launches backward, REVERSE. That is a reverse launch.
oweikdio 4 years ago
For the terminally stupid... A REVERSE launch is where the pilot starts FACING th ewing and at some point turns to the flight direction... a "Backwards" launch (even YOU managed to get that little bit right!) is when the pilot turns AFTER leaving the ground... A FORWARD launch the pilot is ALWAYS facing the flight direction... BASIC stuff! Time you knew it..
murrayhay 4 years ago
This video shows a reverse inflation, and a forward launch. Nothing else to discuss.
Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.
oweikdio 4 years ago
Remind me... in the last ten year just how many 100's US PG pilots have "left" the sport due to accidents..... and the US accident rate is almost DOUBLE that of the appaling accident rate of the BHPA in the UK...
murrayhay 4 years ago
Backwards is one word.... Reverse is another word... and Gee Forward is yet another word... as said in T2 "you can do combinations" so you could (if you wanted to) do a "Forward" and then before leaving the ground flick around to carry on as "Backwards" into the air... but it would STILL be a "Forward Launch"... just as a "REVERSE launch" remains a "Reverse"
murrayhay 4 years ago
If you are going forward when you launch, it is a forward launch.... verrry simple really!
oweikdio 4 years ago
Ok so by your (some what twisted) logic what would YOU call a launch where the pilots does a FORWARD launch but turns around just prior to leaving the ground so they leave the ground moving BACKWARDS....? Remember they did NOT bring the wing up in the REVERSE launch position so it can NOT be a "Reverse Launch"....
murrayhay 4 years ago
If a pilot leaves the ground facing backward, (like in a reverse launch), then it is called a reverse launch.
Regardless of how the wing is inflated, the reverse launch, would be called a reverse launch.
oweikdio 4 years ago
Well I will leave you to your own incompitance, fortunatly my students know better than to 'buy into' the sort of 'advice' in this clip not too mention the foolish comments you keep making. If you ever get tired to the appaling accident rates such stupidity gives rise to you have my contact details. Talking of students its time (2am) to check out the equipment required for todays training.
murrayhay 4 years ago
Ok, murrayhay
One last thing, check out my paragliding video, and tell me if it's a forward launch, or reverse launch. It is a launch, isn't it?
oweikdio 4 years ago
Short clip/does not show the launch method! If high wind: pilot FACING forwards can be moving backwardsthis is often seen on US tandem 'assisted' FORWARD/REVERSE 'asisted' launches. flight direction & direction pilots faces on TAKE OFF, never matches, in BOTH cases on leaving the ground the pilot is facing in the 'flight direction' but NOT the direction of movement!
murrayhay 4 years ago
murrayhay, I looked through my paragliding training manual, and found a lot of info on forward and reverse INFLATIONS, not so much on reverse launches. But there is some info on that. You should read it. Anyway, why don't you send me the official info YOU have on reverse launches. (Not opinions, or hearsay, but real, correct terminology). A reverse launch is not the same as a reverse inflation.
oweikdio 4 years ago 2
As you are in the states I have already sent you the relevant refrence taken from the USHGA Instructors manual (2001) if YOU still cant work out you error there is little hope that me or all the others pointing out your mistake will help you improve!
A reverse launch remains as it always has been one where the pilot starts the launch FACING the wing.. learn to live with that fact!
murrayhay 4 years ago
Clarification, in my previous posts, I was responding to PPGaddict, and murrayhay, both of whom claimed that this was a reverse launch.
Again, this video, and instructor are spot on with good advice!
oweikdio 4 years ago
Sure- easy on a grassy gentle slope into a perfectly calm sea breeze.
Let's see you do that on a rocky steep slope, surrounded by cactus in nasty thermal conditions.
it's just the basics. nothing all that interesting here.
morey000 4 years ago
WOW you sound soooooooooo good... not
The point of the video isnt to be as dangerous as possible by taking off while having knives thrown at you, its basic training tips, whether or not some of the advise isnt very good as some other peoples comments would tell you...
and as for you not being interested, who gives a shit if your interested or not?
open your eyes and realise there are some people who are new to paragliding. Thankyou
JSSV 4 years ago 3
Disagree with one thing. Once turned around should NOT relieve all brake pressure.. You should always keep active brake pressure to prevent colapse however light pressure that may be.
mahalo111 4 years ago 2
Nice video.
I have just made my first flight today, so I have to improve many things and videos like this one help.
Enxavier 4 years ago
I don't agree with 2 things: 1st: "breaks off". While starting you should breake a little: it prevents possible collapses and the take-off speed is a bit lower. 2nd: "Torpedo position". Even if you might see at competitions, for students it's not good, to lean on that much, because if the have a small collapse, the will land right on their face. Lean foreward is ok, but not the torpedo position.
David2Rossi 4 years ago 4
I think the brakes off comment is easier for students to interpret - they usually lack the fineese to determine just the right amount. If they are truly doing no wind forwards then they want the wing flying as fast as possible. Most of my forward mistakes were due to too much brake...
For torpedo I think its good because it keeps you low in case you are lifted early and gives you more traction. Regardless isn't it better to fall forwards than be dumped on your ass and fracture your spine?
whogrant 4 years ago 3
looks like he has sum tuma growin from his ass
twizy123 4 years ago
Cool. Now all I have to do is go rent one of them things and find a mountain to launch from!
KanzlerM 4 years ago
Beware for the sea.
ojanm 4 years ago
A really tall mountain... so I have time to figure out what to do about the ocean before I get there ;)
KanzlerM 4 years ago