@robag88 kubricks use of bears & the bear suited character giving oral pleasure to the other male is a symbolic of " Russia " being slaves to the U.S ? Making russia as a whole country a sign of weakness .
1. Kubrick: steady scenes, smooth motion (all media is sabotaged now). 2. the boss asks Jack about his religion. he replies, "not particularly religious", then Jack goes insane, ruins all, and dies. (not a proper or legal question for employers to ask, nor for the all-Christian USA presidency job). 3. the hotel is on one of Steven King's usual sacred Indian cemetaries. candled halos. floor patterns are pre-Islam. the wife is a Hmong Ou-iche (Indo-China). - james mcashan for the US Senate xXx
@manalexxxx LOL there's always an idiot on deck and today you are it. HAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO!!!
As for UK films, Kubrick left America to live out the rest of his life in the UK, where he made most of his film (including The Shining!!!) using almost entirely British crews. So a word of advice to you my drunken fiend (yes fiend, not friend).... idiocy and arrogance don't mix well.
@robag88 yeayeayea u put so much effort in making this video poor u, why dont u make an effort in makin the world a litle better, instead of ruining good movies for other people, ive been to england and i threw up all the time i was there, horrible dark place full of paranoia, i think this movie fits you, i dont understand why anyone would go against it. peace
@manalexxxx You mean make the world better in the way your retarded webcam vids do? Nice of you to remove your idiotic first comment, but no need to follow it up with an even worse one. Moron blocked.
i tell you something. Kubrick wanted window in the office maybe just for the reason, that office without window would look stupid, how can you make a whole story from it?
Next two people in the behind are maybe just for effect, who could possibly think about this...there could be telephone booth, chairs, their puppy was there etc etc.
Next..I think he could like the position of the apartment and not think about, that one person from million would think, that there cant be aparment of this size
@TheLongestNickHere You haven't watched the whole video have you? Quotes from Kubrick and collaborators are offered that very strongly substantiate the deliberate spatial disorientation theme. Watch ... and THEN comment.
@robag88 yeah I got it..I must admit I admire your other opinions on genocide, bears, relation Jack - Danny and others on your website, but some just dont, because I think if Kubrick wanted to share something with us it would be more clear and gives us a clue not like "...jack adult boy" and others. The things I criticise above are more like movies bugs and not messages for me, hope you know what I mean. Anyway good work.
@TheLongestNickHere If the clues were more obvious then investors would have caught him out and withdrew funding. I think that was the whole point of the deep encoding ... to bypass awareness until after his career was over. also, whose to say the messages were targeted at every viewer? Personally I think his primary target audience with the hidden stuff was other film makers.
the fact that half of the rooms and windows are impossible makes it seem like the whole building is technically wrong. As the building is meant to grand but also imposing the hundreds of doors make it so the casual viewer is disoriented. the disorientation means they can get away with adding more doors that dont exist, cant exist, lead to nowhere etc. this is my view on the subject anyway. also i dont think unless you were making a map like you, that you would notice anything unusual about it.
@Deathriken A lot of people, since watching this vid, have commented that they always had a funny feeling about the layout being wrong. I know I had that feeling in many viewings before seriously studying the film and its production. Not everyone has it though.
I think this is over analyzing a bit.. Maybe the rooms where shoot somewhere else and thus hand windows like those of a house? and it was made to look like the house/room was a part of the hotel or whatever...
@ISuperLoveMovies I considered that possibility. That's why I checked the blueprints at the archives and read all the biographical stuff that's quoted in the video. It was deliberate.
You're taking it much too literal. The hotel and the maze represent the human mind and the psyche, Jack's character represents the ego, the little boy represents the higher self, etc.
I don't believe any of this is on purpose. If it is, it was a waste of time. It had no affect on my viewing of the movie. You're pretty much claiming they built the building from the ground up. What is more likely is they used multiple shooting locations that didn't actually sync up because they didn't think anyone would be this ridiculously meticulous.
@isaiaheverin If it was a film by an ordinary director I would probably agree with you. But seeing how big of a perfectionist Kubrick was (And I mean a huge one) he would've never let these huge errors slide without reason. And the fact that the Hotel's implausible design fits in with one of the film's biggest metaphors: The Maze. This cannot be an accident.
@isaiaheverin "You're pretty much claiming they built the building from the ground up." Uh, yeah. That is exactly what they did. The film was shot on giant soundstages at Elstree Studios in England, aside from a few exterior shots in Oregon. All the interior shots you see are of newly constructed sets built specifically for the film.
@isaiaheverin So you believe your personal reactions to the film and what worked and didn't work on you are not only representative of everyone else's viewing experience, but also are the benchmark for what the film maker's intended. A lot of people who've watched this have commented that they always knew something wasn't right spatially. As for "ridiculously meticulous" (nice catch phrase) I'm a film maker and I pack my films full of subliminal stuff for more astute viewers.
11.06, the view from inside before Jack turns the light on - the camera pans along, it looks like the inside of a mouth with a row of jagged teeth - as if the hotel is the devil and the door the devil's mouth.
i hate wen they analyze poo so stupid stuff on movies if the movie is good then you can make concessions if its has script flaws then there the prob its not like they walked into a karate studio in one of doors and then a circus then a aquarium >_> you have to much time on your hands
nonunion my friend i was hoping to get a REAL interesting video about film psychology you are NOT analyzing THE PSYCHOLOGY of the film you are analyzing the REALITY of the film the magic walls and other thing that has nothing to do with PSYCHOLOGY of the film stupid
@Dtrollmancan Spatial awareness is an aspect of film psychology and its role in disorientating the viewer is psychological. Just like your lack of grammar and punctuation, word emphasis and hostility are revealing of your psychology. However, if it's different aspects of the film's psychology you're interested in then I have other videos on here about those too.
Another conjecture, but the reason the carpet near room 237 is so creepy is due to a visual similarity to a giant red eye staring out of an inhuman cycloptic face or monolithic structure, much like the eye of providence.
Rob I had a question does Wendy reading the catcher in the rye in the beginning of the movie mean anything? Moreover i have been reading lots of articles and came across something rather disturbing in the ending shot when you see jack in the picture his hand gestures resemble that of a pagan deity called baphomet was wondering if u had also notice that would like to know what your thoughts are of jacks hand gesture and if it has any meaning
@victorslash86 I've never bought the baphomet thing personally. A guy holding his right hand up is quite common in photos so there'd need to be something more conclusive. I've also read about the apparent MKULTRA catcher in the rye / wizard of oz stuff too but it seemed like a lot of conjecture. The original MKULTRA documents dont mention such details as far as I know. There may be something in the story line of CITR that may be relevant to the film, but I haven't read it.
@86Stooy Are you serious? Are you honestly implying that one of the most in-depth and meticulous directors of ALL TIME wouldn't take such obvious things into consideration when making a film? Even if that is so, any competent script supervisor(the person who is in charge of continuity in case you don't know what that is) would pick up on these things if they were accidents. These "errors" are way too blatant to not be intentional, especially for the caliber of film making going on.
@thelatestttplague I like to think of what Kubrick creates as a maze of confusion and illusion is alot like walking through an Escher picture but in a movie sense. It adds to the horror and suspense of being trapped.
For such a proclaimed horror movie- The body count is only 2 people and only one of the 2 total is actually murdered. It's all the pschological mind games that leaves the movie such an unforgetable experience. The rest of the allusions is to bad things that happened .
This reminds me of "Wacky Wednesday" (from Dr Seuss), where you could look around a corner and say, "Gee!" Except more subtle, you wouldn't consciously know it but your subconscious does.
Actually, this disorientation is much like how the Human Mind can be inconsistent with paradoxes; like hypocrisy, or that there's a splinter in our reality whenever we repress something into the shadows.
Wow man, great video. I love this movie and you've really expanded my appreciation for the design of the hotel. Some of the examples you've given are more convincing than others, my favourite probably being the 2-metre-thick wall with an elevator door on one side and two room doors on the other side. I never conscious noticed that before. The Shining is the scariest movie I've seen, primarily because it creates this suffocating sense of unreality. Now I think I see how it does it.
The interior was filmed in several different locations. The exterior of the hotel building IS Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood in Oregon. As clever as Kubrick was, every movie is shot in multiple locations.
@maxpin17 Where are you getting your info from? Everything was filmed at constructed sets in England - even the exteriors in which they used salt and polystyrene as snow. With one exception, the opening helicopter shot of the Overlook. That one was the timberline Lodge in America.
@MrThatjim Are you stupid? Of course it's a movie. It's a movie that uses subliminal psychology. All good horror works on the unconscious. Ever seen Hitchcock, Cronenberg or Lynch?
When he's talking about the map of the hedge at the end...it is in the other shots, just to the left of the entrance. In the scene where the map is up close there's a bench in place of the map.
@robag88 it's obviously a fake window inside a painted air vent. Many internal offices used fake windows to give an open air illusion, long before and long after The Shining.
@robag88 they can, and many do, have decorative branches though.
I've worked in a government building for years, and a wide air vent was decorated by mini-trees on the bottom. Our window was a large one and we could see the giant base pots, the window on the opposite side was a tiny one and set high like the one in the hotel manager's office. From that angle it looked like an illusion of outside decorum.
I think you're reading too much into some stuff that didn't matter as much as you think.
@JesusDeSaad So you're saying that the window in Ullman's office, which is roughly two square meters in surface, is backed by a bright wall of daylight with no appearance of light bulbs, is full of drifting snow blowing sideways evenly and contains trees which from the camera movement as Wendy enters are evidently several meters behind the window ... is an air vent ... and this in spite of the fact that the curtains are not waving in response to any movement of air. That's called denial.
@robag88 maybe you should make a three part video series about how all the annoymous comments on your analysis videos are all wrong and you're completely right, as well as make an offshoot video about how symantec structure in said comments prove that Jesus reincarnated himself as Adolph Hitler.
Don't know if you'd pointed this out in part 2 or another video, but the way that the tone of the colors is so drastically different from the Colorado lounge to the hallway behind the stair case that, if it hadnt have been for the shape off the stairs leading up from the right wall, it could have been mistaken as a transition to a new place with the way the actors were separated from the camera behind the stairs.
@TheyAreHere2 Yes it was strange. And it happens elsewhere. Jack entering Gold room full of guests (a shift to the past) and Jack stepping in to find Wendy at hi typewriter - like he stepped out of the photots. There are lots of hints that the film jumps back and forth between different generations.
hey this is something really really new in film analysis. spatial awareness/narrative is seldom being explored in the context of architecture and film.
Isn't the Interior scenes filmed in a real hotel, ergo everything must function? And the exterior was filmed at a different hotel because it was prettier, or so Kubrick said
@soksaea Kubrick never said that. All interiors and exteriors of the hotel were shot on constructed sets except for the helicopter shots at the start. Watch the whole video. It gives lots of sourced info on the production.
@ManGPlaythroughs Yes it does. The film has very specific maze themes and Kubrick specifically commented in interviews about the significance of space in the film. Watch the whole video to hear quotes supporting the thesis.
The reason why the exterior and the interior of the hotel don't match is because Kubrick used the outside of a hotel for the exterior shots and the inside of another hotel for the interior shots
It makes me wonder if Kubrick was privy to scifi writer Stanislaw Lem or Andrei Tarkovsky, who implemented spatial awareness in films like Solaris and much more evidently in "Stalker" to which the region dubbed "The Zone" shifts space as the figures move throughout it. I'd like to see an analysis of those 2 films, as they clearly utilize psychological tactics in their set design.
Some of these (eg, hedge maze map and coolroom doors are purely continuity problems. There, I said it. Kubrick CAN fuck up. Not often, but it happened.
@commradefyedka How can the hedge maze map be a continuity error? In one angle we see Jack lean over it and it matches the map shown outside the actual maze entrance. Then we cut to a top down view and it's a completely different and much larger maze. It's so utterly blatant, visually jarring and unnecessary. To end up with this "error" would require two separate map models created to different specifications.
@Denzel1916 How do you know people wouldn't subconsciously notice any of this stuff? The hotel is frequently described as creepy and unsettling by fans of the film even though the corridors are well lit.
@Dyegoh Tried it with Exorcist and Psycho. Their sets all matched up. On the other hand Hellraiser, Labyrinth Dr Who and Poltergeist all use deliberate spatial inconsistencies for thematic effect. The difference with The Shining is that it's subtle enough to bypass conscious attention.
I would think it's a combination of intentional and unintentional spatial problems. Seems Kubrick wanted to confuse people, but also didn't want artistically-unsatisfying stretches of walls without ornamentation, such as doors and windows.
Wow. Actually hearing you point these things out is bizarrely terrifying - the sheer wrongness of the layout is something I find scarier than the actual events of the film itself. An excellent analysis of an excellent film.
the maze theme is very strong in The Shining. I believe Kubrick was not only trying emphasize the story that the three characters are not only stuck in the hotel, but they are trapped within a maze, within the hotel itself. The hotel itself is also a maze, that traps them inside.
I don't think there is anything impossible about the hotel exterior part with the giant windows. They show the outside of the building, and in the "impossible" spot there could have easily been a door to access the outside. Your map at 2:41 marks the place with question marks, but to me it seems like if there wasn't a door there one couldn't enter the hotel.
@SaulSquid Like I said in the video I saw the blueprint maps at the Kubrick archives. There was no door just a disappearing corridor, in fact it actually overlapped one of the walls separating the window columns, which is impossible both on set and in the film.
The main analysis of this movie I enjoyed thoroughly but this is clearly over analysis where there should be none. The whole set on its own standing creates the spatial awareness required for this film together with Kubricks gift of direction. If a person was watching the movie with a plan of the Overlook Hotel then I'm sure these points would be interesting but they do not and therefore seem irrelevant.. as does the fact that mateys office has a window??
Nice analysis. It really bugs me how some of the commenters try to tell robag "har har you have too much time on your hands, get a life lol". He has as much time as the rest of us, he just uses it to do what he likes.
Yet considering the shot of the twins, which is identical to the famous Diane Arbus "Identical Twins" photograph, who was famous for shooting ONLY in boxed ratios, and the fact that Kubrick deliberately made them twins, rather than mere sisters as depicted in the book, I can't help but have further suspicions that so much of this was premeditated. After all, it was one hell of a long shoot.
Having watched the DVD in 1:33 a number of times, and later discovering that Kubrick shot the film in 1:37, I always had my suspicions that he had deliberately shot the film in boxed format to further add to the sense of claustrophobia and offset the huge expanse of the hotel. However, the film was theatrically released in 1:85:1, which puts a little hamper on my theory.
I noticed watching Sam Peckinpah's Straw dogs, there's a short passage where SP messes with our spatial awareness. The beginning of the seige(at the cottage) scene, many of the camera agles, camera positions and cuts give the impression of a maze or at least a very cluttered and confused space. Granted, it is only in a short passage, but given the confused state of affairs happening in the film at that time, it works perfectly.
@DesignRec Why? I've directed films myself and put a lot of subliminal stuff in that goes over most people''s heads. It's very easy to do even without the crew realizing while shooting.
@robag88 oh i totally get that, some things seem TOO subliminal, which sometimes makes me believe they were just mistakes :) I totally respect you though, you know more about films than me, so your probably right :)
@DesignRec Kubrik was a famous perfectionist, he was known to do hundreds of takes of the same scene. He would change very, VERY minor details about scenes, sets, costumes and lighting until he was satisfied. I doubt that he would have had all these spacial anomalies unless he was aware of them.
Yo Robag, is it possible you are over-analysing this one? It's most likely just film set limitations. To suggest Kubrick deliberately designed the set this way just to disorientate the audience to kinda like grasping straws. Spacial inconsistencies are the most common deliberately ignored mistakes in films. This is because they are deemed to be inconsequential to the audience's overall experience.
@zidownage Agreed. I would hope that Kubrick put as much effort into his actors, story and dialogue that he is supposed to have done with "spatial anomolies"
@zidownage It's always possible I'm over-analysing, which is why I provide lots of sourced information. Kubrick talks about the "huge labyrinthine layout" in interviews, which I quoted in the video. So it's not grasping at straws at all. As for spatial inconsistencies in other films ... watch Psycho and The Exorcist - interiors done on sets that match the exteriors. Then watch Hellraiser, Labyrinth and Poltergeist. they use deliberate spatial impossibilities as part of a horror / fantasy theme.
@slonamu That's the type of comment you get from someone who doesn't look beyond the end of their nose. I've written produced, directed and edited three half hour shorts (two of which are posted on my channel) and a feature.
Rob, in retrospect I believe my comment was not right – I should have made it more clear, and I have insulted you for which I apologize. You are very passionate about film and I applaud that. The other think I like about you is that you have started to uncover the conspiracy against outsiders - mainly whites - in the film business waged by small minority.
Subconsciously I'm sure we draw floor maps of everything we see in movies; a reflexive inclination toward discerning orientation. Now, if these maps don't make sense in the subconscious, but seem to make perfect sense consciously, a sense of confused orientation is unknowingly established, creating that unexplainable sense of eerieness that this movie provides us with.
Maybe Kubrick was inspired by the mysterious complexity of the Winchester House, which had doors leading to nowhere and other weird layouts, that he had used in making the blueprints of the hotel and its handful of rooms that led to nowhere and the illusional walls and layout.
Amazing to me that so many people could think these are continuity errors. First of all its Kubrick. There wouldn't be so many, so blatant, continuity errors if that's all they were. They may not seem so blatant to a viewer, who probably had to see this video to notice them, but in the movie making process they would definitely come to quick attention. (continued)
@SeddiexxMischief Secondly, to assume immediately that all this would just be simple continuity errors would be to underestimate the amount of work and attention that goes into set design among everything else in film-making. Maybe some of these instances could be over analysis, but there are enough of them to take note that they probably done with purpose.
Rob Ager kicking ass on the Shining analysis once again. Nobody does it better. Hey, when are you going to review Barry Lyndon or Cuckoo's Nest? Been waiting on those, thanks! :)
@Kavalistik Too much what? Ever watched a hypnotist at work or studied advertising? Subliminal communication has been going on for centuries in all kinds of ways. You don't think it happens in movies too?
@robag88 Yes and yes! Its just that I never got that deep on the shinning (despite being one of my kubrick favorites), and realizing the actual level of complexity and madness he quietly unleashed in the film creeped up the experience..
dude your reviews are sweet but the point of following danny around was to disorientate the viewer. it makes little difference if the hotels rooms make sense or not.
I absolutely love your analysis, in particular Kubrick's movies. I was wondering whether you have or would consider doing David Lynch's movies aswell, just a personal favourite of mine which I think are worthy of analysis
We'll look K was a genius and I'd like to think too he did all this on purpose...but then again there are incongruence in all files...including masterpieces by the masters.
I wish I could get my PhD in finding odd things in movies!
@rsfeller There's a point at which the consistency and blatantness of "errors" defies the odds of the theme being accidental. Most films don't feature spatial defects like these apart from fantasy / horror films like Hellraiser, Poltergeist and Labyrinth, which also use impossible space thematically.
Also the freezer scene, doorways to no where, and even the over-lapping errors are again explained by "Alien Geometry" -- the hotel has supernatural powers...much like most Stephen King worlds (From a Buick 8, The Dark Tower, and Rose Red) Space-Distortion is a ...theme for him :P so in-universe no one out-right notices at first....until they see the supernatural or preternatural things going on and then this all becomes evident, the theme of the movie is the distortions.
I prefer "Alien Geometry" to explain the in-movie designs; you see if we think Spatial Disorientation (something you do learn in game design for horror games) the in-universe themes can explain the impossibles like the exterior hallway (which could just loop in a circle tho) and the windows could exist but would be 'mystical' in some way or like Silent Hill's Otherworld -- normal physicals do not apply.
@Bassbait Woah there, you don't have to be all pissed off at me. When did I say that Kubrick "made a ton of mistakes"? I'm only suggesting that he MIGHT have let one little detail slip past him. It's the kind of thing that you have to be really paying attention to the movie to notice (like the guy in this video). I have toal respect for him as a director and as a true genius, so back off.
It's amazing to me how many people think that the spatial games couldn't be deliberate. I mean, of all directors, Stanley is the one most likely to play this kind of elaborate mind game on his audience. Not only would he think the movie would be unsettling, he probably would think it was fun!
@robag88 Good video. But, regarding the flaw @ 2:20... it seems like this question is answered @ 3:30 where Danny rides through the space Mr. Ullman led Jack & Wendy @ 2:20 - it's a seamless view, yet you can see an alcove appear on the right, and although you can see a door on its far side, you cannot see where those two strangers @ 2:27 are coming from. But why the insistence that there should be a hallway where the windows are? Perhaps the strangers just came in from outside...
I've a question: Can anyone just go & visit the Stanley Kubrick Archives in London? Or do you have to book beforehand? Or do you have to be a student of the College of Communications or something?
Well spotted, I too like to catch details such as these (sad I know). However I must admit that when I saw this movie I did miss all of these but in my defence my focus was not on the thickness of the walls etc but more on not craping my pants. Those twins...
I think you're overanalyzing to much! Is just lazy set design! Tons of films have exactly the same problems: doors who actually lead nowhere, windows that shouldn't be there,etc.: that's because hallways, rooms,etc. are recreated in a movie studio.
@kittykatro Which films have the same set design problems? Exorcist and Psycho don't, but in Labyrinth, Poltergeist, Hellraiser and the tardis of Dr Who there are deliberate spatial errors used as part of a fantasy / horror narrative. It's not that unusual. The difference is that in The Shining it's more subtle.
@robag88 tons of SF movies have this problem - Star Trek, Star Wars, Aliens,etc. - if you look careful you will see that they just slapped some corridors, doors and rooms there without thinking at the real architecture of a space ship. Maybe in the Alien movies it might have been deliberate but I doubt of the others.
@kittykatro In those sci-fic films we get glimpses of sets without a full map of how they link up, but they don't feature impossible doorways and windows from what I remember. Also remember that this is a horror film we're talking about. Impossible space motifs, or at the very least, inentionally odd design, are frequently used in horror.
While The Shining is a brilliant film, by a brilliant filmmaker, I think you're giving Kubrick far too much credit. The cheats you've identified here are far less likely to be brilliantly planned mind games, and much more likely the clever design solutions of a set designer who had to fit a large collection of rooms and hallways in a single soundstage of limited size. Kubrick undoubtedly asked for "lots of twisting halls and doors," and the designers obliged.
(Cont'd) Rather than deliberately trying to create a sense of unease with mathematically impossible doors, Kubrick and his designers were actually hoping you *wouldn't* notice that they'd folded the hallways back and forth like that to save space, or that they'd put more doorways in the hall than would actually fit. When the Script Supervisor (undoubtedly) pointed it out, that's when Kubrick or his designers would have laughed and said "well... it's a haunted hotel, innit?"
(Cont'd 2) This kind of space-folding is extremely common in film set design. It's just that Kubrick uses so many long, continuous shots, so you have more opportunities to notice the glitches. Ever tried making a map of Hogwarts? Or MI6?
Years ago, I visited the Stargate sets up in Vancouver. The main Stargate chamber is surrounded by a loop of general purpose "underground hallways" of varying sizes, giving the producers many options to film scenes in the
(Cont'd 3) ...Cheyenne Mountain complex. They had a collection of "wall parts" they could roll in and out of the hallway loop to create new sections, intersections, etc. It was just smart, practical space management.
Designers cheat like this all the time. It's only when they create a classic like "The Shining" that fans notice these little shortcuts.
(And by the way, it took over 30 years for you to discover these short cuts. That's long enough to please even the pickiest set designer.)
@robag88 kubricks use of bears & the bear suited character giving oral pleasure to the other male is a symbolic of " Russia " being slaves to the U.S ? Making russia as a whole country a sign of weakness .
canecorsomob 3 hours ago
1. Kubrick: steady scenes, smooth motion (all media is sabotaged now). 2. the boss asks Jack about his religion. he replies, "not particularly religious", then Jack goes insane, ruins all, and dies. (not a proper or legal question for employers to ask, nor for the all-Christian USA presidency job). 3. the hotel is on one of Steven King's usual sacred Indian cemetaries. candled halos. floor patterns are pre-Islam. the wife is a Hmong Ou-iche (Indo-China). - james mcashan for the US Senate xXx
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manalexxxx 3 days ago
@manalexxxx LOL there's always an idiot on deck and today you are it. HAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO!!!
As for UK films, Kubrick left America to live out the rest of his life in the UK, where he made most of his film (including The Shining!!!) using almost entirely British crews. So a word of advice to you my drunken fiend (yes fiend, not friend).... idiocy and arrogance don't mix well.
robag88 3 days ago
@robag88 yeayeayea u put so much effort in making this video poor u, why dont u make an effort in makin the world a litle better, instead of ruining good movies for other people, ive been to england and i threw up all the time i was there, horrible dark place full of paranoia, i think this movie fits you, i dont understand why anyone would go against it. peace
manalexxxx 2 days ago
@manalexxxx You mean make the world better in the way your retarded webcam vids do? Nice of you to remove your idiotic first comment, but no need to follow it up with an even worse one. Moron blocked.
robag88 2 days ago
You well deserve all the likes for its obvious that youve put a great amount of time and research to the video!!
zippeduniform3 1 week ago
@zippeduniform3 Thankyou sir
robag88 3 days ago
So....a Duke Nukem video game sparked the idea for this analysis? Amazing......
snipergirl21 2 weeks ago
i tell you something. Kubrick wanted window in the office maybe just for the reason, that office without window would look stupid, how can you make a whole story from it?
Next two people in the behind are maybe just for effect, who could possibly think about this...there could be telephone booth, chairs, their puppy was there etc etc.
Next..I think he could like the position of the apartment and not think about, that one person from million would think, that there cant be aparment of this size
TheLongestNickHere 2 weeks ago
@TheLongestNickHere You haven't watched the whole video have you? Quotes from Kubrick and collaborators are offered that very strongly substantiate the deliberate spatial disorientation theme. Watch ... and THEN comment.
robag88 2 weeks ago
@robag88 yeah I got it..I must admit I admire your other opinions on genocide, bears, relation Jack - Danny and others on your website, but some just dont, because I think if Kubrick wanted to share something with us it would be more clear and gives us a clue not like "...jack adult boy" and others. The things I criticise above are more like movies bugs and not messages for me, hope you know what I mean. Anyway good work.
TheLongestNickHere 2 weeks ago
@TheLongestNickHere If the clues were more obvious then investors would have caught him out and withdrew funding. I think that was the whole point of the deep encoding ... to bypass awareness until after his career was over. also, whose to say the messages were targeted at every viewer? Personally I think his primary target audience with the hidden stuff was other film makers.
robag88 3 days ago
Thanks for ruining an awesome movie asshole
MrRockym911 2 weeks ago
@MrRockym911 You complete idiot. I've read plenty of reviews of films I like that I disagree with, but they don't ruin the movie itself. Moron.
robag88 2 weeks ago
the fact that half of the rooms and windows are impossible makes it seem like the whole building is technically wrong. As the building is meant to grand but also imposing the hundreds of doors make it so the casual viewer is disoriented. the disorientation means they can get away with adding more doors that dont exist, cant exist, lead to nowhere etc. this is my view on the subject anyway. also i dont think unless you were making a map like you, that you would notice anything unusual about it.
Deathriken 2 weeks ago
@Deathriken A lot of people, since watching this vid, have commented that they always had a funny feeling about the layout being wrong. I know I had that feeling in many viewings before seriously studying the film and its production. Not everyone has it though.
robag88 2 weeks ago
Amazing video and informative! Love it!
BryanWithNoB 2 weeks ago
this is way cool
fgfgd2 3 weeks ago
I think this is over analyzing a bit.. Maybe the rooms where shoot somewhere else and thus hand windows like those of a house? and it was made to look like the house/room was a part of the hotel or whatever...
ISuperLoveMovies 3 weeks ago
@ISuperLoveMovies I considered that possibility. That's why I checked the blueprints at the archives and read all the biographical stuff that's quoted in the video. It was deliberate.
robag88 2 weeks ago
You're taking it much too literal. The hotel and the maze represent the human mind and the psyche, Jack's character represents the ego, the little boy represents the higher self, etc.
PleaseLookAtMyCock 3 weeks ago
@PleaseLookAtMyCock What's the evidence that brought you to the Freudian & Transactional Analysis interpretation?
robag88 2 weeks ago
It's just movie magic baby B)
MegaThugg1 1 month ago
you sound like Ringo Starr
the1mightygod 1 month ago
@the1mightygod I am Ringo Starr
robag88 2 weeks ago
@robag88 there's a new York times article about you and the decoding of the shining.
canecorsomob 1 month ago
Can't help but think about House of Leaves when watching this video.
blakiecakes419 1 month ago
This is out of topic but what about the apollo 11 sweater at 5:44? Did Kubrick often give some meaning to all aspects of his movies?
DMHR100 1 month ago
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Runningmayfairs 1 month ago
I don't believe any of this is on purpose. If it is, it was a waste of time. It had no affect on my viewing of the movie. You're pretty much claiming they built the building from the ground up. What is more likely is they used multiple shooting locations that didn't actually sync up because they didn't think anyone would be this ridiculously meticulous.
isaiaheverin 1 month ago
@isaiaheverin If it was a film by an ordinary director I would probably agree with you. But seeing how big of a perfectionist Kubrick was (And I mean a huge one) he would've never let these huge errors slide without reason. And the fact that the Hotel's implausible design fits in with one of the film's biggest metaphors: The Maze. This cannot be an accident.
blakiecakes419 1 month ago 2
@isaiaheverin "You're pretty much claiming they built the building from the ground up." Uh, yeah. That is exactly what they did. The film was shot on giant soundstages at Elstree Studios in England, aside from a few exterior shots in Oregon. All the interior shots you see are of newly constructed sets built specifically for the film.
inappropriatetouch 1 month ago
@isaiaheverin So you believe your personal reactions to the film and what worked and didn't work on you are not only representative of everyone else's viewing experience, but also are the benchmark for what the film maker's intended. A lot of people who've watched this have commented that they always knew something wasn't right spatially. As for "ridiculously meticulous" (nice catch phrase) I'm a film maker and I pack my films full of subliminal stuff for more astute viewers.
robag88 2 weeks ago
does anyone get annoyed at the I Hate Stanley Kubrick video on the reccomended videos list
iamamanpsychomolerat 1 month ago
11.06, the view from inside before Jack turns the light on - the camera pans along, it looks like the inside of a mouth with a row of jagged teeth - as if the hotel is the devil and the door the devil's mouth.
linclinc5 1 month ago
2:20 Maybe it's a small restroom
itputsthelotion1 2 months ago
Did anyone mention that the map wasn't missing? At 11:00, it's not missing...
It replaces the bench.
The characters pass a bench running into the maze (left of the little house), but leaving... it's the map.
boostbeetle 2 months ago
@boostbeetle Yes, it's moved, but it missing at the end of the film.
robag88 2 months ago
@boostbeetle Yep, an error in my narration :)
robag88 2 weeks ago
i hate wen they analyze poo so stupid stuff on movies if the movie is good then you can make concessions if its has script flaws then there the prob its not like they walked into a karate studio in one of doors and then a circus then a aquarium >_> you have to much time on your hands
Dtrollmancan 2 months ago
@Dtrollmancan Why did you click to watch a video about film psychology if you don't like the subject? You have way too few brain cells.
robag88 2 months ago 10
@robag88
nonunion my friend i was hoping to get a REAL interesting video about film psychology you are NOT analyzing THE PSYCHOLOGY of the film you are analyzing the REALITY of the film the magic walls and other thing that has nothing to do with PSYCHOLOGY of the film stupid
Dtrollmancan 3 weeks ago
@Dtrollmancan Spatial awareness is an aspect of film psychology and its role in disorientating the viewer is psychological. Just like your lack of grammar and punctuation, word emphasis and hostility are revealing of your psychology. However, if it's different aspects of the film's psychology you're interested in then I have other videos on here about those too.
robag88 2 weeks ago
@Dtrollmancan "analyze poo"? seriously?
MrCrapmatic 3 weeks ago
I just don't know why, I rolled on the floor laughing at 2:41 XD
AwesomeCoasters 3 months ago
I love these analytical looks at some of my favorite films. :) Keep up the great work "D
thEannoyingE 3 months ago
Another conjecture, but the reason the carpet near room 237 is so creepy is due to a visual similarity to a giant red eye staring out of an inhuman cycloptic face or monolithic structure, much like the eye of providence.
anangbhai 3 months ago
Rob I had a question does Wendy reading the catcher in the rye in the beginning of the movie mean anything? Moreover i have been reading lots of articles and came across something rather disturbing in the ending shot when you see jack in the picture his hand gestures resemble that of a pagan deity called baphomet was wondering if u had also notice that would like to know what your thoughts are of jacks hand gesture and if it has any meaning
victorslash86 3 months ago
@victorslash86 I've never bought the baphomet thing personally. A guy holding his right hand up is quite common in photos so there'd need to be something more conclusive. I've also read about the apparent MKULTRA catcher in the rye / wizard of oz stuff too but it seemed like a lot of conjecture. The original MKULTRA documents dont mention such details as far as I know. There may be something in the story line of CITR that may be relevant to the film, but I haven't read it.
robag88 2 months ago
So this films locations have errors,most films do.
86Stooy 3 months ago
@86Stooy not to say that kubrick was flawless but i'd think that he'd catch blaring errors like this...
Aepotheosis 3 months ago
@86Stooy Are you serious? Are you honestly implying that one of the most in-depth and meticulous directors of ALL TIME wouldn't take such obvious things into consideration when making a film? Even if that is so, any competent script supervisor(the person who is in charge of continuity in case you don't know what that is) would pick up on these things if they were accidents. These "errors" are way too blatant to not be intentional, especially for the caliber of film making going on.
thelatestttplague 2 months ago
@thelatestttplague I like to think of what Kubrick creates as a maze of confusion and illusion is alot like walking through an Escher picture but in a movie sense. It adds to the horror and suspense of being trapped.
For such a proclaimed horror movie- The body count is only 2 people and only one of the 2 total is actually murdered. It's all the pschological mind games that leaves the movie such an unforgetable experience. The rest of the allusions is to bad things that happened .
atheistbob27 2 months ago
This reminds me of "Wacky Wednesday" (from Dr Seuss), where you could look around a corner and say, "Gee!" Except more subtle, you wouldn't consciously know it but your subconscious does.
Actually, this disorientation is much like how the Human Mind can be inconsistent with paradoxes; like hypocrisy, or that there's a splinter in our reality whenever we repress something into the shadows.
QDesjardin 3 months ago
Duke Nukem Total Meltdown, Plug N Pray, PSX exclusive episode.
MercyVirus 3 months ago
Rob, just want to correct a little mistake : the name of the guy who made the quote at 3:14 is Michel Ciment, and not Michael Ciment... just that.
Kasti77 3 months ago
@Kasti77 Thanks :)
robag88 3 months ago
yeah i notice that in harrypotter too
the stair case kept moving what an error
jmq700 3 months ago
Wow man, great video. I love this movie and you've really expanded my appreciation for the design of the hotel. Some of the examples you've given are more convincing than others, my favourite probably being the 2-metre-thick wall with an elevator door on one side and two room doors on the other side. I never conscious noticed that before. The Shining is the scariest movie I've seen, primarily because it creates this suffocating sense of unreality. Now I think I see how it does it.
BelleAndTheBoy 3 months ago
The interior was filmed in several different locations. The exterior of the hotel building IS Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood in Oregon. As clever as Kubrick was, every movie is shot in multiple locations.
maxpin17 3 months ago
@maxpin17 Where are you getting your info from? Everything was filmed at constructed sets in England - even the exteriors in which they used salt and polystyrene as snow. With one exception, the opening helicopter shot of the Overlook. That one was the timberline Lodge in America.
robag88 3 months ago
IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE!!
MrThatjim 3 months ago
@MrThatjim Are you stupid? Of course it's a movie. It's a movie that uses subliminal psychology. All good horror works on the unconscious. Ever seen Hitchcock, Cronenberg or Lynch?
robag88 3 months ago 16
When he's talking about the map of the hedge at the end...it is in the other shots, just to the left of the entrance. In the scene where the map is up close there's a bench in place of the map.
anylessergod 3 months ago 3
The hallway is impossible ... the speaker on this vid doesn't proof this...
nyomythus 4 months ago
@nyomythus Are you blind? A window can't show the outside world if there's an internal hall behind it.
robag88 4 months ago 2
@robag88 agreed, I was wrong, I spoke to soon :(((
nyomythus 4 months ago
@robag88 it's obviously a fake window inside a painted air vent. Many internal offices used fake windows to give an open air illusion, long before and long after The Shining.
JesusDeSaad 3 months ago
@JesusDeSaad But in this one we see snow falling outside the window when Wendy uses the radio. not many offices do that.
robag88 3 months ago
@robag88 read again: window that opens inside air vent. Snow can fall inside air vents, they have no roof on top.
JesusDeSaad 3 months ago
@JesusDeSaad Watch the scene I mentioned. Vents don't have trees in them.
robag88 3 months ago
@robag88 they can, and many do, have decorative branches though.
I've worked in a government building for years, and a wide air vent was decorated by mini-trees on the bottom. Our window was a large one and we could see the giant base pots, the window on the opposite side was a tiny one and set high like the one in the hotel manager's office. From that angle it looked like an illusion of outside decorum.
I think you're reading too much into some stuff that didn't matter as much as you think.
JesusDeSaad 3 months ago
@JesusDeSaad So you're saying that the window in Ullman's office, which is roughly two square meters in surface, is backed by a bright wall of daylight with no appearance of light bulbs, is full of drifting snow blowing sideways evenly and contains trees which from the camera movement as Wendy enters are evidently several meters behind the window ... is an air vent ... and this in spite of the fact that the curtains are not waving in response to any movement of air. That's called denial.
robag88 3 months ago
@robag88 maybe you should make a three part video series about how all the annoymous comments on your analysis videos are all wrong and you're completely right, as well as make an offshoot video about how symantec structure in said comments prove that Jesus reincarnated himself as Adolph Hitler.
SheilaTequila1000 3 months ago
@SheilaTequila1000 Those are your ideas.
robag88 2 months ago
Don't know if you'd pointed this out in part 2 or another video, but the way that the tone of the colors is so drastically different from the Colorado lounge to the hallway behind the stair case that, if it hadnt have been for the shape off the stairs leading up from the right wall, it could have been mistaken as a transition to a new place with the way the actors were separated from the camera behind the stairs.
TheyAreHere2 4 months ago
@TheyAreHere2 Yes it was strange. And it happens elsewhere. Jack entering Gold room full of guests (a shift to the past) and Jack stepping in to find Wendy at hi typewriter - like he stepped out of the photots. There are lots of hints that the film jumps back and forth between different generations.
robag88 4 months ago
hey this is something really really new in film analysis. spatial awareness/narrative is seldom being explored in the context of architecture and film.
aura113 4 months ago
couldn't it all be explained by just bad set design?
apartmentzero 4 months ago
@apartmentzero lol are you joking? Kubrick did EVERYTHING for a reason. He's was a mad man
Zintos446 4 months ago
@apartmentzero Yes, that's why I did lots of research to make sure and filled the video with sourced info.
robag88 4 months ago
Isn't the Interior scenes filmed in a real hotel, ergo everything must function? And the exterior was filmed at a different hotel because it was prettier, or so Kubrick said
soksaea 4 months ago
@soksaea Kubrick never said that. All interiors and exteriors of the hotel were shot on constructed sets except for the helicopter shots at the start. Watch the whole video. It gives lots of sourced info on the production.
robag88 4 months ago
ITS A MOVIE. DOES IT MATTER IF ITS IMPOSSIBLE?
ManGPlaythroughs 4 months ago
@ManGPlaythroughs Yes it does. The film has very specific maze themes and Kubrick specifically commented in interviews about the significance of space in the film. Watch the whole video to hear quotes supporting the thesis.
robag88 4 months ago
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ManGPlaythroughs 4 months ago
The reason why the exterior and the interior of the hotel don't match is because Kubrick used the outside of a hotel for the exterior shots and the inside of another hotel for the interior shots
jeapiat 4 months ago
@jeapiat No. the exteriors and interiors were constructed in England. Only the helicopter shots at the start were real. Please watch whole video.
robag88 4 months ago
POR FAVOR QUISIERA QUE LO TRADUJERAN AL ESPAÑOL. ES INTERESANTE PERO ME CUESTA ENTENDER.
ROSMARY252 4 months ago
It makes me wonder if Kubrick was privy to scifi writer Stanislaw Lem or Andrei Tarkovsky, who implemented spatial awareness in films like Solaris and much more evidently in "Stalker" to which the region dubbed "The Zone" shifts space as the figures move throughout it. I'd like to see an analysis of those 2 films, as they clearly utilize psychological tactics in their set design.
darkriddle1 4 months ago
You argue with your own critics often.
notfriendlyyurrf 4 months ago
@notfriendlyyurrf No I don't :)
robag88 4 months ago
Some of these (eg, hedge maze map and coolroom doors are purely continuity problems. There, I said it. Kubrick CAN fuck up. Not often, but it happened.
commradefyedka 4 months ago
@commradefyedka How can the hedge maze map be a continuity error? In one angle we see Jack lean over it and it matches the map shown outside the actual maze entrance. Then we cut to a top down view and it's a completely different and much larger maze. It's so utterly blatant, visually jarring and unnecessary. To end up with this "error" would require two separate map models created to different specifications.
robag88 4 months ago
@commradefyedka i totally agree.. you wouldn't subconsciously notice all those windows and hence if he did do it on purpose its a waste of time...
Denzel1916 4 months ago
@Denzel1916 How do you know people wouldn't subconsciously notice any of this stuff? The hotel is frequently described as creepy and unsettling by fans of the film even though the corridors are well lit.
robag88 4 months ago
If you sit and try to find this kind of errors in every movie, I guarantee you'll find them too.
Dyegoh 4 months ago
@Dyegoh Tried it with Exorcist and Psycho. Their sets all matched up. On the other hand Hellraiser, Labyrinth Dr Who and Poltergeist all use deliberate spatial inconsistencies for thematic effect. The difference with The Shining is that it's subtle enough to bypass conscious attention.
robag88 4 months ago
somebody give this guy an engineering degree
nikonxxx 4 months ago 2
I would think it's a combination of intentional and unintentional spatial problems. Seems Kubrick wanted to confuse people, but also didn't want artistically-unsatisfying stretches of walls without ornamentation, such as doors and windows.
brainiacgames 4 months ago
Wow. Actually hearing you point these things out is bizarrely terrifying - the sheer wrongness of the layout is something I find scarier than the actual events of the film itself. An excellent analysis of an excellent film.
PerfectTheCircle 4 months ago
"What's so hard about being a director? … ooohhhhh…"
LukeDSimpson 4 months ago
the maze theme is very strong in The Shining. I believe Kubrick was not only trying emphasize the story that the three characters are not only stuck in the hotel, but they are trapped within a maze, within the hotel itself. The hotel itself is also a maze, that traps them inside.
ccheng21 4 months ago
I think the fact that some of these "errors" would require far more work than just doing things accurately is evidence enough that it was intentional
FroFroDaJimmyBoy 4 months ago
I don't think there is anything impossible about the hotel exterior part with the giant windows. They show the outside of the building, and in the "impossible" spot there could have easily been a door to access the outside. Your map at 2:41 marks the place with question marks, but to me it seems like if there wasn't a door there one couldn't enter the hotel.
SaulSquid 4 months ago
@SaulSquid Like I said in the video I saw the blueprint maps at the Kubrick archives. There was no door just a disappearing corridor, in fact it actually overlapped one of the walls separating the window columns, which is impossible both on set and in the film.
robag88 4 months ago
The main analysis of this movie I enjoyed thoroughly but this is clearly over analysis where there should be none. The whole set on its own standing creates the spatial awareness required for this film together with Kubricks gift of direction. If a person was watching the movie with a plan of the Overlook Hotel then I'm sure these points would be interesting but they do not and therefore seem irrelevant.. as does the fact that mateys office has a window??
SuperJaydavies 5 months ago
I'm not quite sure about the Halloran door scene. Him switching hands may just be a continuity error.
Rahheemme 5 months ago
Nice analysis. It really bugs me how some of the commenters try to tell robag "har har you have too much time on your hands, get a life lol". He has as much time as the rest of us, he just uses it to do what he likes.
rebekkabua 5 months ago
Yet considering the shot of the twins, which is identical to the famous Diane Arbus "Identical Twins" photograph, who was famous for shooting ONLY in boxed ratios, and the fact that Kubrick deliberately made them twins, rather than mere sisters as depicted in the book, I can't help but have further suspicions that so much of this was premeditated. After all, it was one hell of a long shoot.
LeLimeLine 5 months ago
Having watched the DVD in 1:33 a number of times, and later discovering that Kubrick shot the film in 1:37, I always had my suspicions that he had deliberately shot the film in boxed format to further add to the sense of claustrophobia and offset the huge expanse of the hotel. However, the film was theatrically released in 1:85:1, which puts a little hamper on my theory.
LeLimeLine 5 months ago
I noticed watching Sam Peckinpah's Straw dogs, there's a short passage where SP messes with our spatial awareness. The beginning of the seige(at the cottage) scene, many of the camera agles, camera positions and cuts give the impression of a maze or at least a very cluttered and confused space. Granted, it is only in a short passage, but given the confused state of affairs happening in the film at that time, it works perfectly.
BlowDeBloodyDoorsOff 5 months ago
Not to sound like i dick but when you say "kubrik did this intentionally" etc etc, i cant help but thinking, yeah he just fucked up...
DesignRec 5 months ago
@DesignRec Why? I've directed films myself and put a lot of subliminal stuff in that goes over most people''s heads. It's very easy to do even without the crew realizing while shooting.
robag88 5 months ago
@robag88 oh i totally get that, some things seem TOO subliminal, which sometimes makes me believe they were just mistakes :) I totally respect you though, you know more about films than me, so your probably right :)
DesignRec 5 months ago
@DesignRec Kubrik was a famous perfectionist, he was known to do hundreds of takes of the same scene. He would change very, VERY minor details about scenes, sets, costumes and lighting until he was satisfied. I doubt that he would have had all these spacial anomalies unless he was aware of them.
mudkipsmakemewet 4 months ago
There's analysing film and then there's having too much time on one's hands.
ViciousMandy 5 months ago
@ViciousMandy Maybe you should find something better to do with your time then :)
robag88 5 months ago 7
Yo Robag, is it possible you are over-analysing this one? It's most likely just film set limitations. To suggest Kubrick deliberately designed the set this way just to disorientate the audience to kinda like grasping straws. Spacial inconsistencies are the most common deliberately ignored mistakes in films. This is because they are deemed to be inconsequential to the audience's overall experience.
zidownage 5 months ago 3
@zidownage Agreed. I would hope that Kubrick put as much effort into his actors, story and dialogue that he is supposed to have done with "spatial anomolies"
ViciousMandy 5 months ago
@zidownage It's always possible I'm over-analysing, which is why I provide lots of sourced information. Kubrick talks about the "huge labyrinthine layout" in interviews, which I quoted in the video. So it's not grasping at straws at all. As for spatial inconsistencies in other films ... watch Psycho and The Exorcist - interiors done on sets that match the exteriors. Then watch Hellraiser, Labyrinth and Poltergeist. they use deliberate spatial impossibilities as part of a horror / fantasy theme.
robag88 5 months ago 6
My head hurts.
JaziB 5 months ago
That is what you get when people who write about film never made one.
slonamu 5 months ago
@slonamu Nail on the head.
MonkeyandApple 5 months ago
@slonamu That's the type of comment you get from someone who doesn't look beyond the end of their nose. I've written produced, directed and edited three half hour shorts (two of which are posted on my channel) and a feature.
robag88 5 months ago
@robag88
Rob, in retrospect I believe my comment was not right – I should have made it more clear, and I have insulted you for which I apologize. You are very passionate about film and I applaud that. The other think I like about you is that you have started to uncover the conspiracy against outsiders - mainly whites - in the film business waged by small minority.
slonamu 5 months ago
Subconsciously I'm sure we draw floor maps of everything we see in movies; a reflexive inclination toward discerning orientation. Now, if these maps don't make sense in the subconscious, but seem to make perfect sense consciously, a sense of confused orientation is unknowingly established, creating that unexplainable sense of eerieness that this movie provides us with.
christopher19894 6 months ago
Maybe Kubrick was inspired by the mysterious complexity of the Winchester House, which had doors leading to nowhere and other weird layouts, that he had used in making the blueprints of the hotel and its handful of rooms that led to nowhere and the illusional walls and layout.
RecentReality 6 months ago
Kubrick was a perfectionist. Things like a lot,of this could not have escasped him. He probably did it ti mske the hotel that,much more,unsettling.
fsmetal 6 months ago
Amazing to me that so many people could think these are continuity errors. First of all its Kubrick. There wouldn't be so many, so blatant, continuity errors if that's all they were. They may not seem so blatant to a viewer, who probably had to see this video to notice them, but in the movie making process they would definitely come to quick attention. (continued)
SeddiexxMischief 6 months ago
@SeddiexxMischief Secondly, to assume immediately that all this would just be simple continuity errors would be to underestimate the amount of work and attention that goes into set design among everything else in film-making. Maybe some of these instances could be over analysis, but there are enough of them to take note that they probably done with purpose.
SeddiexxMischief 6 months ago
Rob Ager kicking ass on the Shining analysis once again. Nobody does it better. Hey, when are you going to review Barry Lyndon or Cuckoo's Nest? Been waiting on those, thanks! :)
romeradio 6 months ago
This is too much crazy man. Kubrick was god and i respect that a lot... But this is too much.
Kavalistik 6 months ago
@Kavalistik Too much what? Ever watched a hypnotist at work or studied advertising? Subliminal communication has been going on for centuries in all kinds of ways. You don't think it happens in movies too?
robag88 5 months ago
@robag88 Yes and yes! Its just that I never got that deep on the shinning (despite being one of my kubrick favorites), and realizing the actual level of complexity and madness he quietly unleashed in the film creeped up the experience..
Kavalistik 5 months ago
dude your reviews are sweet but the point of following danny around was to disorientate the viewer. it makes little difference if the hotels rooms make sense or not.
lee0122333 6 months ago
This sounded more interesting than it actually is
unearthed89 6 months ago
@unearthed89 In what way?
robag88 5 months ago
I absolutely love your analysis, in particular Kubrick's movies. I was wondering whether you have or would consider doing David Lynch's movies aswell, just a personal favourite of mine which I think are worthy of analysis
dantetidusistubed 6 months ago
@dantetidusistubed I've just posted a one hour video on Mulholland Drive.
robag88 5 months ago
How very interesting! Thanks to you for doing this.
handiest1 6 months ago
surely this is just continuity errors?
SuperJaydavies 6 months ago
@SuperJaydavies The video explains why that's unlikely.
robag88 5 months ago
We'll look K was a genius and I'd like to think too he did all this on purpose...but then again there are incongruence in all files...including masterpieces by the masters.
I wish I could get my PhD in finding odd things in movies!
rsfeller 6 months ago 3
@rsfeller There's a point at which the consistency and blatantness of "errors" defies the odds of the theme being accidental. Most films don't feature spatial defects like these apart from fantasy / horror films like Hellraiser, Poltergeist and Labyrinth, which also use impossible space thematically.
robag88 6 months ago
OMG DOORS TO THE OUTDOORS ARE IMPOSSIBLE, YOUR SO SMART.
Jcc8t7 6 months ago
@Jcc8t7 Hey, if watching a video like this makes you think that I'm talking down to you intellectually then that's your problem.
robag88 5 months ago
Also the freezer scene, doorways to no where, and even the over-lapping errors are again explained by "Alien Geometry" -- the hotel has supernatural powers...much like most Stephen King worlds (From a Buick 8, The Dark Tower, and Rose Red) Space-Distortion is a ...theme for him :P so in-universe no one out-right notices at first....until they see the supernatural or preternatural things going on and then this all becomes evident, the theme of the movie is the distortions.
Centaurmanexe 6 months ago
I prefer "Alien Geometry" to explain the in-movie designs; you see if we think Spatial Disorientation (something you do learn in game design for horror games) the in-universe themes can explain the impossibles like the exterior hallway (which could just loop in a circle tho) and the windows could exist but would be 'mystical' in some way or like Silent Hill's Otherworld -- normal physicals do not apply.
Centaurmanexe 6 months ago
@Bassbait Woah there, you don't have to be all pissed off at me. When did I say that Kubrick "made a ton of mistakes"? I'm only suggesting that he MIGHT have let one little detail slip past him. It's the kind of thing that you have to be really paying attention to the movie to notice (like the guy in this video). I have toal respect for him as a director and as a true genius, so back off.
randomjunkohyeah1 6 months ago
It's amazing to me how many people think that the spatial games couldn't be deliberate. I mean, of all directors, Stanley is the one most likely to play this kind of elaborate mind game on his audience. Not only would he think the movie would be unsettling, he probably would think it was fun!
amandazillah 6 months ago 3
@amandazillah Yep, and Garret Brown's account of him playing jokes on the crew with the maze set supports that.
robag88 6 months ago
@robag88 "...Garret Brown's account of him playing jokes on the crew with the maze set..."
Sounds interesting, could you elaborate more on that?
USAFSmiley87 6 months ago
@robag88 Good video. But, regarding the flaw @ 2:20... it seems like this question is answered @ 3:30 where Danny rides through the space Mr. Ullman led Jack & Wendy @ 2:20 - it's a seamless view, yet you can see an alcove appear on the right, and although you can see a door on its far side, you cannot see where those two strangers @ 2:27 are coming from. But why the insistence that there should be a hallway where the windows are? Perhaps the strangers just came in from outside...
starspawn77 6 months ago
I've a question: Can anyone just go & visit the Stanley Kubrick Archives in London? Or do you have to book beforehand? Or do you have to be a student of the College of Communications or something?
JVbin 6 months ago
Well spotted, I too like to catch details such as these (sad I know). However I must admit that when I saw this movie I did miss all of these but in my defence my focus was not on the thickness of the walls etc but more on not craping my pants. Those twins...
ricothemagno 6 months ago
Maybe there's an exterior doorway we don't in the hallway beyond the Colarado room?
maxman1602 6 months ago
@maxman1602 As the vid explains the blueprints show a hallway disappearing into nothing. A stairway, door or elevator would be in the blueprints.
robag88 6 months ago
I think you're overanalyzing to much! Is just lazy set design! Tons of films have exactly the same problems: doors who actually lead nowhere, windows that shouldn't be there,etc.: that's because hallways, rooms,etc. are recreated in a movie studio.
kittykatro 6 months ago
@kittykatro Which films have the same set design problems? Exorcist and Psycho don't, but in Labyrinth, Poltergeist, Hellraiser and the tardis of Dr Who there are deliberate spatial errors used as part of a fantasy / horror narrative. It's not that unusual. The difference is that in The Shining it's more subtle.
robag88 6 months ago
@robag88 tons of SF movies have this problem - Star Trek, Star Wars, Aliens,etc. - if you look careful you will see that they just slapped some corridors, doors and rooms there without thinking at the real architecture of a space ship. Maybe in the Alien movies it might have been deliberate but I doubt of the others.
kittykatro 6 months ago
@kittykatro In those sci-fic films we get glimpses of sets without a full map of how they link up, but they don't feature impossible doorways and windows from what I remember. Also remember that this is a horror film we're talking about. Impossible space motifs, or at the very least, inentionally odd design, are frequently used in horror.
robag88 6 months ago
While The Shining is a brilliant film, by a brilliant filmmaker, I think you're giving Kubrick far too much credit. The cheats you've identified here are far less likely to be brilliantly planned mind games, and much more likely the clever design solutions of a set designer who had to fit a large collection of rooms and hallways in a single soundstage of limited size. Kubrick undoubtedly asked for "lots of twisting halls and doors," and the designers obliged.
ajbezark 6 months ago
(Cont'd) Rather than deliberately trying to create a sense of unease with mathematically impossible doors, Kubrick and his designers were actually hoping you *wouldn't* notice that they'd folded the hallways back and forth like that to save space, or that they'd put more doorways in the hall than would actually fit. When the Script Supervisor (undoubtedly) pointed it out, that's when Kubrick or his designers would have laughed and said "well... it's a haunted hotel, innit?"
ajbezark 6 months ago
(Cont'd 2) This kind of space-folding is extremely common in film set design. It's just that Kubrick uses so many long, continuous shots, so you have more opportunities to notice the glitches. Ever tried making a map of Hogwarts? Or MI6?
Years ago, I visited the Stargate sets up in Vancouver. The main Stargate chamber is surrounded by a loop of general purpose "underground hallways" of varying sizes, giving the producers many options to film scenes in the
ajbezark 6 months ago
(Cont'd 3) ...Cheyenne Mountain complex. They had a collection of "wall parts" they could roll in and out of the hallway loop to create new sections, intersections, etc. It was just smart, practical space management.
Designers cheat like this all the time. It's only when they create a classic like "The Shining" that fans notice these little shortcuts.
(And by the way, it took over 30 years for you to discover these short cuts. That's long enough to please even the pickiest set designer.)
ajbezark 6 months ago 2