@December10th2010 The simple answer is nobody. That's it. Nobody. The whole philosophy of "New Complexity" is to write music that cannot be played. As long as it LOOKS impressive, is backed by a program note reading like an explosion in a Thesaurus factory and leads to academic promotion it doesn't matter whether it is unplayable or not. The money has been made.
@egapnala65 The only thing more pretentious then these videos are your comments you copy and paste under every single one of them. I don't know why you chose new complex music as your personal enemy, you have to go awfully far out of your way to get offended by it. You also have to be really pretentious to think that if you don't understand a particular type of music then nobody can... since your musical intellect is perfect and all.
@SB87JB "New Complexity Music" is an Oxymoron. It's an academic fashion, like Hegelianism. Lots of sherry sipping bourgeois building a nice elitist conclave for themselves and lots of backslapping and "oh, jolly little piece there, Brian, loved the way the entropic metatexture was quasi coalesced tangenitally by its own rhetorical sygenetic metastasis". You know the kind of tedious bores you would find at Glyndebourne whining about how low price tickets have let the chavs in. Hilarious.
@SB87JB And to be pretentious indicates that a person is using terminology and references they clearly have no understanding of. And to me people gathering around praising performances that are, at best, rough approximations of impossible scores written by attention (and academic position) seeking charlatans is about as pretentious as it gets. The only true performance of one of these lunatic scores is through a computer. The rest is bullshit. Amusing bullshit. But bullshit none the less.
@SB87JB And no I don't "copy and paste" either. Another amusing little assumption on your rather pompous little part.
But as you claim to understand this please tell me the essential difference between one of these scores and somebody simply writing down an improvisation?
@SB87JB And why is your channel filled with limp second raters who get 10 minutes at Darmstadt every so often and nowhere else? Where's Fartein Valen, Per Norgard, Ib Norholm? Where's Leif Segerstam? How on earth you expect me to take you seriously on contemporary music I have no idea.
@egapnala65 I am a professional in sound design, not 21st century classical. This is all new to me, and I make those lists as reminders of artists i should look more into. I'll check out those ones you mentioned as well. Anyway, I don't completely understand the patterns these guys use, but from a sound design perspective i think the timbre and tonal coloring is beautiful. I do shit improvs all the time on my midi keyboard and it transcribes it for me, and sounds nothing like this.
@SB87JB Fair enough. While your at it check out the amazing stuff done by Stockhausen, particularly his "Octophonie". There you will find a true genius at work.
@SB87JB And if sonic effects are all your after then, yes, these guys have some merit, the problem is that there is a layer of pretentious snobbery surrounding them. But, believe me, what you hear is not what they have written, the performers are bullshitting like mad. I find it a dishonest carry on.
@egapnala65 yeah i love stockhausen, xenakis, nono, babbitt, schaeffer... I just had trouble finding the newer avant garde stuff until i found these youtube channels. I'm sure these people are pretentious but Ive watched plenty of stockhausens lectures on electronic music and he basically said hes a new race of super human. I don't hold an artists personality against them because there's plenty of good and terrible artists with terrible personalities and delusions of grandeur.
@SB87JB Yes, but Stockhausen actually backed up the bullshit with measurable acheivments as did Nono and others that you mention. I don't think they are even fit to be mentioned alongside the likes of Ferney and Dillon.
@SB87JB I mean all this stuff is doing is trying to produce "electronic sounds" through acoustic means. That is an aesthetic that is dating back nearly 60 years now. It's time we moved on.
@egapnala65. Yes indeed it was that concert. It also featured the world premiere of Brian Ferneyhough's "Mea Musica Est Merda Taurorum XIV" performed by John2Inch on garlic crusher and testicle.
1) Drill hole in sustain pedal. 2) With 4" wood screw, secure pedal to the floor. 3) Get two 13 year old brats who never touched a piano. Explain to them that, regardless of what they have heard, the piano is actually played with fists & arms. 4) Turn on your tape recorder. 5) Tell the brats to make as much noise as possible. 6) After they get bored, trail off, and finally fall asleep, turn off tape recorder. 7) Sit for the next two weeks notating what they did. Voila! A modern piece of "music".
@jaspernatchez You forgot about "write lengthy polysyllabic program note quoting Deleuze, Lacan and preferably referencing some obscure 14th century alchemist. This will do wonders for your academic advancement."
@egapnala65 For whatever the reason I've been exploring a lot of this trash on youtube lately, and the interesting thing is that so many of these fakers are British. I suppose that now, after centuries of waiting for an era when talent would be unnecessary for a career as a composer, they feel their their time has finally come.
@jaspernatchez I read today that one of his pupils asked him why he used 20 notes instead of two in his pieces and was answered with a "rant". The gist was that it created a sense of tension in the performer and would lead to edgier performances. Somebody else replied that as a professional musician worried about their performance in regards to Beethoven et al in orchestral performances, the last thing they would look at is scores like this.
@jaspernatchez To be fair though, Finnissy has produced works which don't wholly rely on "complexity" as their selling point and are well worth looking into. "Red Earth" for example. I also attended a workshop given by him and he seemed a really nice chap, very down to earth, unlike other members of the "complexity" brigade. I won't dismiss him totally.
@egapnala65 I tried Red Earth - part one doesn't work. Part two consists, beginning to end, of long, sustained notes that have nothing to do with each other and no evident pulsation. After a couple of minutes i jumped ahead minute by minute - endless boredom. WTF do you hear in it?
@jaspernatchez I actually find it quite atmospheric, similar to Ligeti. At least it isn't all the instruments playing as fast as they can at overblown pitch levels.
@jaspernatchez It's no great loss if you don't. Personally I think all this new complexity bullshit will die with the composers and Irvine Arditti. They have pretty much signed their own death warrents by choosing to overwrite in such a stupid way. I was reading yesterday that, before they play one of Ferneyhough's works, the Arditti are obliged to effectively rewrite the bloody thing to make it countable. Ok bits of Strav may need that but not whole works.
You also have to bear in mind that according to that complete waste of space Semiology, it doesn't matter what a composer/performer wishes to communicate, the audience will take what it wants according to its intellectual limits. Therefore anally retentive bourgoeis bean counters (who diverted philosophy into things they can deal with like textual analysis) can tell us all how clever they are by feigning appreciation for pretty much everything as there is nothing objectively "good" or "bad".
@2hyeok. Yes, it's the traditional English folk song "Johnny Cut His Balls Off With a Big Blunt Chisel (Hey-Nonny-Nonny)". It bears close thematic ties with "The Water is Wide (O Waly Waly) So We'd Better Cross via the A308 at Kingston Upon Thames".
Finnissy began his pianistic career playing on Wednesday evenings at the Tulse Hill Home for the Profoundly Deaf. He eventually disowned the "New Complexity" label that had attached itself to his music during the 70s and 80s, and in the 90s became a leading member of the "Making It Up As I Go Along" School. He is available for funerals and divorce court proceedings. In Who's Who, Finnissy lists his hobbies as "shouting at pigeons" and "humming an augmented fourth below my tinnitus".
What the fuck is the point of this piece, I've been playing piano for 11 years and I know very well what it sounds like to smash your hands randomly on the piano, and it sounds oddly similar to this. No melody, No harmony, no fucking rhythm HOW IS THIS MUSIC? I suppose whoever has the willpower to actually learn this piece of shit should be commended, because I could not see myself practicing hours to be able to reproduce what a child could play by slamming his hands on the piano.
@PrawDuhJee LOL. I've been playing piano for 11 years as well, this is not what it sounds like when I smash my hands on the piano. I must be doing it wrong. Sure as hell looks like there's a fucking harmony (those notes that are written in a vertical line) and also a fucking rhythm too (all those crazy black lines connected to the notes). From my experience, toddlers tend to slam a single spot on the keyboard in a sort of regular rhythm, sometimes rubato. They'd be bad at this, honestly.
I will never understand how someone can learn to play this. How do you count this piece? How do you memorize it with no melody? How long does it even take to sight read through it? Who will bother listening to this?
Oh, dear GOD(S). I happen to be a great fan of music that goes against common bounds, but this, to me, isn't music- any small child could make the same sounds by banging on a keyboard. As a composer myself, the rhythmic complexities are fine and all, but the actual quality of the music is quite astounding to me in its absolutely horrid sound. Give me Ives any day.
If you had the opportunity to listen to him live and what he has to say... and THEN, listen to this piece or his Verdi Variations, you wouldn't call Finnissy an idiot. He is far from one, and a very generous and wise man. Maybe only people with an extensive musical education and great experience performing and listening (even if at an amateur or semiprofessional level) should be allowed to comment on geniuses like him. Not ALL music has to be easy. There is plenty of that sort, and that is ok 2.
@amatorynumber I have an extensive musical education and do enjoy performing and listening. However, this is intellectual masturbation at it's finest.
@amatorynumber Yeah Yeah! I can also violent on my piano and produce atonal things, write it down and realise it as " 12 beautiful memories from Vienna"
@mikedeliv I don't like to sound elitist and I am not an ardent deffendant of this kind of music particularly either. But it is easy to say that when one has not thrown oneself into composition or creative production of any sort. When you manage to get something published, whatever it is, then we can discuss things. Go ahead and and get some publisher to print your memories from vienna. Why can't you? Because, in order to get this, one HAS TO HAVE HAD A CAREER behind. Learn that today, please.
the funny thing about the people who seem to enjoy this music is that they HAVE TO LOOK at the score to actually say things like: wow, it 's so complex!", or "wow, this must be so difficult to play!". These people seem to ignore the very basics about music: that it is SOUND. And as far as SOUND goes, this music is DULL.
If music can somehow be linked to visual elements, then Finissy's music is the very example of ZERO COLORS and ZERO IMAGES. It's just an empty display of random energy.
completely overrated composer with no sense of harmonic complexity whatsoever. He relies solely on horizontal spasmodic nonsense.
Hmm.. "English Country Tunes" this sounds very pleasing indeed.. *turns up volume, leans back in chair with closed eyes* ...... BOOM OMG WTF SHIT PISS ASS EAR RAPE AAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!!!111 :S:S:S:S:S
The first time I saw the score to/heard part of this piece I thought it was a joke; think a subtle version of John Stump's "Faerie's Aire and Death March". It was the "hands fractionally out of synchronization" part (not in this video).
Nothing is more wonderful than seein this music and trying the soft low clusters. Feldman would be proud. This is the most imaginative music I know of.F and Toovey are geniuses!
I knew!!! something was wrong, and I discovered it!! in 4:52 he played D instead of C#, and I went crazy!! How the pianist DARES to change the music!?? it's almost... MOZART!! sorry, thumbs down, sucker! :D
Finnissy has spent too long under the spell of the french theoretical school of contemporary music embodied by Boulez and IRCAM, where the concept matters more than what the music actually sounds like. Ferneyhough is another victim. They need to pull their heads out of their arses and relearn the art of listening.
I really don't remember the English countryside being this chaotic a place. Suicide-worthy fact of the night: Michael Finissy teaches composition at Southampton University. For a species with such amazing cultural heritage, we take meticulous care in shitting on it at every turn.
Is this horrid nonsense an indicator of the future of art music? What a shame for high culture that this man has received even one commission! Please tell me the legacy of Schönberg will fade away some time soon, for this is atheist music that rapes the human soul. We absolutely cannot go on with such rubbish and remain sane as a society.
@CatholicRoyalist This is the first time I've seen someone say something sensible about serialism on youtube. I honestly cannot express how much I agree with you.
It's not music - at most, it's a technical excercise, but what merit does that have? It's like me telling jokes that aren't intended to make people laugh, or writing unreadable, languageless books for whatever purpose - and yet people leap on pedastals and claim that this is an opinion of someone who doesn't understand composition.
@CatholicRoyalist I agree in every aspect, except for the "atheist" part. That's just unnessecary, and has got nothing to do with the music (or whatever you want to call it). Please seperate those two in the future.
What a great resporce read about him in Dubal's book on contemporary piano but could not find or buy recs,This is amazing sounding music.Can it really be played? I love his approach. Barraque ,Boulez etc. sound nothing like this englishman. Amazing modern noise can be so different sounding.
I heard Bobby Crush play this at the Darlington Miners Welfare Club, 3 September 1985. It received a standing ovation. Afterwards Arthur Scargill presented Crush with a signed manuscript of his own Yorkshire Suite No. 2 for trumpet, comb and paper (arr. R. Hazelhurst) on which he had written "To Bobby. Thanks for your support."
I heard Bobby Crush play this at the Darlington Miners Welfare Club, 3 September 1985. It received a standing ovation. Afterwards Arthur Scargill presented Crush with a signed manuscript of his own Yorkshire Suite No. 2 for trumpet, comb and paper (arr. R. Hazelhurst) on which he had written "To Bobby. Thanks for your support."
It's extremely hard. and it sounds weird....Although it's one of the hardest piano pieces in the world, but I don't really like it-not the way performer played, but the piece itself.
Supposedly Finnissy recorded all of his own music. But the idea behind it is that you play all twelve notes, without repeating a note until you have played all eleven other notes. It's completely ridiculous to do, especially at that speed.
but that's not his composition technique- -where did you get this idea from? some of the piece is modal so not about playing 12 notes as quicky as possible.
me neither... there are glimpses of patterns, but I dont understand it.
Composition technique
MF: hmmm, this would give a nice effect if i did this cluster- then hit the top C, then- hmm- Il pause for 15 seconds then start some leaping fist chords... Im on a roll!
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im sorry but this is just terrible! wheres the melody, wheres the harmony, the musicality, anything that resembles a song! its like if a virtuoso pianist lost all of his talent and decided to play around on it!
C'est pas très harmonieux...Trop de notes sur partition pour autant de vacarme...Désolé mais c'est pas beau?... qui peut jouer ça..! Cela reflète bien le désordre de notre monde actuel...à méditer..!
But the rhythms are free and simply ensure that events don`t occur at the same time- -in some ways it's the most convenient way of writing it out ,but those complex ratios aren`t to be taken too literally.
Finnissy's piano music is TOTAL PIANO MUSIC! People must be informed however that his music of this period for piano is aesthetically similar, and this is currently not the case. His writing style has changed considerably over the last 20 years. ...and NO, these are not actually English country tunes. He does not quote any tunes or folk music. This piece is just one enormous complex vision of the England Finnissy perceived in the late 70's.
I only have 1 question...who goes to the country and comes back with THIS? He must have went to romania and got abandoned in a castle with an organ in it or something lol.
I have to say. This doesn't really have any musicality except to scare someone out of their shoes. If that's what he composed it for then GOOD JOB!!!!
I would not say it is unmusical, you just have to dig deep to find it. I do not much care for the English Country Tunes myself, I do not see what is so great about 'em.
This is a fucking bullshit.. No fuckin melody.. I know how he wrote this, he closed his eyes, started the note writing machine and he was bashing the piano like an idiot.. This isn´t a piece, this is a piece of shit.
If so, I wish I had the "note-writing machine" that he has - it would be so far advanced from what is actually available - this is music about gesture and powerfully terrifying music nonetheless. Listen again.
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This is a classic case of "The Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome. One is supposed to be extremely impressed with this great intellectual "music", and if one is not, why one is just not intelligent enough, sensitive enough, musically literate enough, etc.
But the simple fact is, this "music" is not music at all. It is in fact, just noise, masquerading as music. The score is beautifully written, without doubt. But beyond this, what we have here is utter rubbish - pure and simple.
This is a classic case of delusions of grandeur. One such as yourself is either capable of comprehending the musicality of a highly complex and modern aesthetic or it is "not music"; apparently, you are not intelligent, sensitive and/or musically literate enough.
But the simple fact is, this music is music whether you say it is or not, by definition. It is beautifully written notation put upon staves to be performed on a piano, manufactured specifically to be listened to. It is thus music.
I'm not in the business of going out of my way to be mature (at the expense of my own amusement) for the likes of retards and/or people with the username "juzzyfuzz", as if the second could ever be exclusive from the first.
From your profile and your responses, you obviously need to feel you are right, and more intelligent than everyone around you. I'll leave you to it - good luck!
Entertaining words from your profile, John1Inch ;-)
" I'm smarter than you./ I know way more about music than you. / I will always win. You will always lose. You are not an exception. / Don't say something without backing it up. / You are not my equal in this right. Therefore, you are inferior. Accept your place."
Well, I agree: "Don't say something without backing it up."
LOL "Self-righteous retard". I've never heard those words together before! You must be right -- only someone as articulate as you could realize this. Go easy on us man, we're just not as smart as you....
"English Country Tunes" is a wolf in sheep's clothing: one would expect pastorally flavoured folk songs from such a title, but then blasts forth a revolution in chord structure, rhythm, and pianistic pedagogy. It's a shocking, complex intellectual puzzle that requires us to shed all musical prejudices and expectations before listening.
Forgot to thank you, tomekkobialka, for posting these recently. Thank goodness for things like this on YouTube because the mainstream sources just never play (or display) modern music. Somewhere, though, I think I heard him play an A-sharp instead of an A.... or was that a quintuple piano (ppppp) instead of merely a quadruple?
I think my fingers just had a heart attack
DeathhsLegacy 2 days ago
Is it playable???
diegosgc 1 week ago
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@Derrickman11 If she's still doing it when she's 40, then THAT is an accomplishment.
loudoutsound 1 week ago
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loudoutsound 1 week ago
I think i heard a wrong note at 3:57
aznminr123 4 weeks ago
@tomekkobialka and probably sexy as fuckn;)
NICKLEdaPICKLE 1 month ago
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Country music? Omg! Hardly! lol It's more like English metal...
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lllllllllllllll88 1 month ago
Oooomg! WTFreak???? WHO can read this, let alone PLAY it! Omg, this is so brutal! Not to mention scary...
December10th2010 1 month ago
@December10th2010 The simple answer is nobody. That's it. Nobody. The whole philosophy of "New Complexity" is to write music that cannot be played. As long as it LOOKS impressive, is backed by a program note reading like an explosion in a Thesaurus factory and leads to academic promotion it doesn't matter whether it is unplayable or not. The money has been made.
egapnala65 1 month ago
@egapnala65 The only thing more pretentious then these videos are your comments you copy and paste under every single one of them. I don't know why you chose new complex music as your personal enemy, you have to go awfully far out of your way to get offended by it. You also have to be really pretentious to think that if you don't understand a particular type of music then nobody can... since your musical intellect is perfect and all.
SB87JB 1 month ago
@SB87JB "New Complexity Music" is an Oxymoron. It's an academic fashion, like Hegelianism. Lots of sherry sipping bourgeois building a nice elitist conclave for themselves and lots of backslapping and "oh, jolly little piece there, Brian, loved the way the entropic metatexture was quasi coalesced tangenitally by its own rhetorical sygenetic metastasis". You know the kind of tedious bores you would find at Glyndebourne whining about how low price tickets have let the chavs in. Hilarious.
egapnala65 1 month ago
@SB87JB And to be pretentious indicates that a person is using terminology and references they clearly have no understanding of. And to me people gathering around praising performances that are, at best, rough approximations of impossible scores written by attention (and academic position) seeking charlatans is about as pretentious as it gets. The only true performance of one of these lunatic scores is through a computer. The rest is bullshit. Amusing bullshit. But bullshit none the less.
egapnala65 1 month ago
@SB87JB And no I don't "copy and paste" either. Another amusing little assumption on your rather pompous little part.
But as you claim to understand this please tell me the essential difference between one of these scores and somebody simply writing down an improvisation?
egapnala65 1 month ago
@SB87JB Oh and there is nothing pretentious about these videos, it is the content. An important distinction.
Anyway musn't keep you from finding another inventive 350 ways to blow shit out of a flute and market it as significant art must I?
egapnala65 1 month ago
@SB87JB And why is your channel filled with limp second raters who get 10 minutes at Darmstadt every so often and nowhere else? Where's Fartein Valen, Per Norgard, Ib Norholm? Where's Leif Segerstam? How on earth you expect me to take you seriously on contemporary music I have no idea.
egapnala65 1 month ago
@egapnala65 I am a professional in sound design, not 21st century classical. This is all new to me, and I make those lists as reminders of artists i should look more into. I'll check out those ones you mentioned as well. Anyway, I don't completely understand the patterns these guys use, but from a sound design perspective i think the timbre and tonal coloring is beautiful. I do shit improvs all the time on my midi keyboard and it transcribes it for me, and sounds nothing like this.
SB87JB 1 month ago
@SB87JB Fair enough. While your at it check out the amazing stuff done by Stockhausen, particularly his "Octophonie". There you will find a true genius at work.
egapnala65 1 month ago
@SB87JB And if sonic effects are all your after then, yes, these guys have some merit, the problem is that there is a layer of pretentious snobbery surrounding them. But, believe me, what you hear is not what they have written, the performers are bullshitting like mad. I find it a dishonest carry on.
egapnala65 1 month ago
@egapnala65 yeah i love stockhausen, xenakis, nono, babbitt, schaeffer... I just had trouble finding the newer avant garde stuff until i found these youtube channels. I'm sure these people are pretentious but Ive watched plenty of stockhausens lectures on electronic music and he basically said hes a new race of super human. I don't hold an artists personality against them because there's plenty of good and terrible artists with terrible personalities and delusions of grandeur.
SB87JB 1 month ago
@SB87JB Yes, but Stockhausen actually backed up the bullshit with measurable acheivments as did Nono and others that you mention. I don't think they are even fit to be mentioned alongside the likes of Ferney and Dillon.
egapnala65 1 month ago
@SB87JB I mean all this stuff is doing is trying to produce "electronic sounds" through acoustic means. That is an aesthetic that is dating back nearly 60 years now. It's time we moved on.
egapnala65 1 month ago
@egapnala65. Yes indeed it was that concert. It also featured the world premiere of Brian Ferneyhough's "Mea Musica Est Merda Taurorum XIV" performed by John2Inch on garlic crusher and testicle.
fremsley001 2 months ago 2
@fremsley001 Yes, remember it well. Certainly produced some irrationals there didn't he?
egapnala65 2 months ago
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fremsley001 2 months ago
I have to go to England soon.. I hope to don't hear this
newFranzFerencLiszt 2 months ago
@Derrickman11 i dont know if you are serious, or you are just making a good joke because of dissonance, lol
JosePablo24 2 months ago
1) Drill hole in sustain pedal. 2) With 4" wood screw, secure pedal to the floor. 3) Get two 13 year old brats who never touched a piano. Explain to them that, regardless of what they have heard, the piano is actually played with fists & arms. 4) Turn on your tape recorder. 5) Tell the brats to make as much noise as possible. 6) After they get bored, trail off, and finally fall asleep, turn off tape recorder. 7) Sit for the next two weeks notating what they did. Voila! A modern piece of "music".
jaspernatchez 2 months ago
@jaspernatchez You forgot about "write lengthy polysyllabic program note quoting Deleuze, Lacan and preferably referencing some obscure 14th century alchemist. This will do wonders for your academic advancement."
egapnala65 2 months ago
@egapnala65 For whatever the reason I've been exploring a lot of this trash on youtube lately, and the interesting thing is that so many of these fakers are British. I suppose that now, after centuries of waiting for an era when talent would be unnecessary for a career as a composer, they feel their their time has finally come.
jaspernatchez 2 months ago
@jaspernatchez I read today that one of his pupils asked him why he used 20 notes instead of two in his pieces and was answered with a "rant". The gist was that it created a sense of tension in the performer and would lead to edgier performances. Somebody else replied that as a professional musician worried about their performance in regards to Beethoven et al in orchestral performances, the last thing they would look at is scores like this.
egapnala65 2 months ago
@jaspernatchez To be fair though, Finnissy has produced works which don't wholly rely on "complexity" as their selling point and are well worth looking into. "Red Earth" for example. I also attended a workshop given by him and he seemed a really nice chap, very down to earth, unlike other members of the "complexity" brigade. I won't dismiss him totally.
egapnala65 2 months ago
@egapnala65 I tried Red Earth - part one doesn't work. Part two consists, beginning to end, of long, sustained notes that have nothing to do with each other and no evident pulsation. After a couple of minutes i jumped ahead minute by minute - endless boredom. WTF do you hear in it?
jaspernatchez 2 months ago
@jaspernatchez I actually find it quite atmospheric, similar to Ligeti. At least it isn't all the instruments playing as fast as they can at overblown pitch levels.
egapnala65 2 months ago
@jaspernatchez You could try "Oh Schoner Mai" another piano work which is pretty sane.
egapnala65 2 months ago
@egapnala65 um, thanks, but no thanks. I haven't a scintilla of evidence that this charlatan has even a small clue about what music is.
jaspernatchez 2 months ago
@jaspernatchez It's no great loss if you don't. Personally I think all this new complexity bullshit will die with the composers and Irvine Arditti. They have pretty much signed their own death warrents by choosing to overwrite in such a stupid way. I was reading yesterday that, before they play one of Ferneyhough's works, the Arditti are obliged to effectively rewrite the bloody thing to make it countable. Ok bits of Strav may need that but not whole works.
egapnala65 2 months ago
Needless to say, the only thing that stands between Finnissy and Nyman is an enormous pile of bullshit.
egapnala65 3 months ago
You also have to bear in mind that according to that complete waste of space Semiology, it doesn't matter what a composer/performer wishes to communicate, the audience will take what it wants according to its intellectual limits. Therefore anally retentive bourgoeis bean counters (who diverted philosophy into things they can deal with like textual analysis) can tell us all how clever they are by feigning appreciation for pretty much everything as there is nothing objectively "good" or "bad".
egapnala65 3 months ago
@tomekkobialka Yes, I know Derrickman11 and have seen the videos of his six month old niece playing this. I really is amazing.
analyzingfunny 3 months ago
@Derrickman11 I think your niece's parents should consider filing a restraining order against you... on account of artlessness.
ryguillian 4 months ago
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AverageGamerz 4 months ago
Kind of leaves a queasy feeling in your stomach.
Yet one has to admire how much work goes into writing all those notes down. And props to any pianist who attempts to play it.
efmusic5 5 months ago
@2hyeok. Yes, it's the traditional English folk song "Johnny Cut His Balls Off With a Big Blunt Chisel (Hey-Nonny-Nonny)". It bears close thematic ties with "The Water is Wide (O Waly Waly) So We'd Better Cross via the A308 at Kingston Upon Thames".
fremsley001 5 months ago
@fremsley001 You mean it's english folk song i thought this was from hell
2hyeok 5 months ago
Wait no wait it's a song?
2hyeok 5 months ago
Finnissy began his pianistic career playing on Wednesday evenings at the Tulse Hill Home for the Profoundly Deaf. He eventually disowned the "New Complexity" label that had attached itself to his music during the 70s and 80s, and in the 90s became a leading member of the "Making It Up As I Go Along" School. He is available for funerals and divorce court proceedings. In Who's Who, Finnissy lists his hobbies as "shouting at pigeons" and "humming an augmented fourth below my tinnitus".
fremsley001 6 months ago 28
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Wonderful repartee.
Easleytee 1 month ago
This is not music. This is doodle magic.
liszt141 6 months ago
Actually, there is a melody which all of you can hear----The Melody of chaos!
darrenabcd1 6 months ago 4
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Derrickman11 7 months ago
What the fuck is the point of this piece, I've been playing piano for 11 years and I know very well what it sounds like to smash your hands randomly on the piano, and it sounds oddly similar to this. No melody, No harmony, no fucking rhythm HOW IS THIS MUSIC? I suppose whoever has the willpower to actually learn this piece of shit should be commended, because I could not see myself practicing hours to be able to reproduce what a child could play by slamming his hands on the piano.
PrawDuhJee 7 months ago 3
@PrawDuhJee Discordant Tritones, mate...
Vinyltasticdesigns 6 months ago
@PrawDuhJee LOL. I've been playing piano for 11 years as well, this is not what it sounds like when I smash my hands on the piano. I must be doing it wrong. Sure as hell looks like there's a fucking harmony (those notes that are written in a vertical line) and also a fucking rhythm too (all those crazy black lines connected to the notes). From my experience, toddlers tend to slam a single spot on the keyboard in a sort of regular rhythm, sometimes rubato. They'd be bad at this, honestly.
wetuadjlv 3 months ago
Most people play like that on magic piano (the ipad app)
mikedeliv 7 months ago
It's like letting an elephant in a room with pianos
mikedeliv 7 months ago 9
@mikedeliv HAHA couldn't put it better!
tomekkobialka 6 months ago
I will never understand how someone can learn to play this. How do you count this piece? How do you memorize it with no melody? How long does it even take to sight read through it? Who will bother listening to this?
Martel211996 8 months ago
Oh, dear GOD(S). I happen to be a great fan of music that goes against common bounds, but this, to me, isn't music- any small child could make the same sounds by banging on a keyboard. As a composer myself, the rhythmic complexities are fine and all, but the actual quality of the music is quite astounding to me in its absolutely horrid sound. Give me Ives any day.
Wagnerlover777 8 months ago
This doesn't sound very good in my opinion
Rennat456 10 months ago
This isn't music.
CBasie2856 10 months ago
Sounds like Liberace falling down a cliff.
fremsley001 10 months ago
pure rubbish
Bagas 10 months ago
If you had the opportunity to listen to him live and what he has to say... and THEN, listen to this piece or his Verdi Variations, you wouldn't call Finnissy an idiot. He is far from one, and a very generous and wise man. Maybe only people with an extensive musical education and great experience performing and listening (even if at an amateur or semiprofessional level) should be allowed to comment on geniuses like him. Not ALL music has to be easy. There is plenty of that sort, and that is ok 2.
amatorynumber 11 months ago 2
@amatorynumber I have an extensive musical education and do enjoy performing and listening. However, this is intellectual masturbation at it's finest.
kabukibear 10 months ago 7
@kabukibear How is it intellectual masturbation?
DarkZekeX 8 months ago
@amatorynumber Yeah Yeah! I can also violent on my piano and produce atonal things, write it down and realise it as " 12 beautiful memories from Vienna"
mikedeliv 7 months ago
@mikedeliv I don't like to sound elitist and I am not an ardent deffendant of this kind of music particularly either. But it is easy to say that when one has not thrown oneself into composition or creative production of any sort. When you manage to get something published, whatever it is, then we can discuss things. Go ahead and and get some publisher to print your memories from vienna. Why can't you? Because, in order to get this, one HAS TO HAVE HAD A CAREER behind. Learn that today, please.
amatorynumber 7 months ago
@amatorynumber All a composer "has to say" is the black dots on the page. Everything else is bullshit.
jaspernatchez 2 months ago
the funny thing about the people who seem to enjoy this music is that they HAVE TO LOOK at the score to actually say things like: wow, it 's so complex!", or "wow, this must be so difficult to play!". These people seem to ignore the very basics about music: that it is SOUND. And as far as SOUND goes, this music is DULL.
otavioandradas 1 year ago
@otavioandradas dull? i think this is anything but dull
xodn3300 1 year ago
@xodn3300 ever heard of alkan? that is good sound. it has human quality to it. organization not chaos i always say
amxmachine 8 months ago
If dog vomit had a sound, this would be it.
marcphilos 1 year ago
at 3:41 he misses a note
Pianoplayer002 1 year ago 26
@Pianoplayer002 hahaha
sloppywaffles 11 months ago
@Pianoplayer002 Agree, I miss that note all the time when I practiced, that's the trickiest one.
joeylord123 4 months ago
If music can somehow be linked to visual elements, then Finissy's music is the very example of ZERO COLORS and ZERO IMAGES. It's just an empty display of random energy.
completely overrated composer with no sense of harmonic complexity whatsoever. He relies solely on horizontal spasmodic nonsense.
otavioandradas 1 year ago
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theres actually people who think this is music lol
they must be insane
JianyuTheLegend 1 year ago
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Absolutely! You speak the truth. But you're too polite... I'd substitute the word "crap" for your word "nonsense".
juzzyfuzz 11 months ago
If some one make a mistake while play this nobody will notice!
If this is what England is like I will never go there.
jamison94816 1 year ago 3
これが「緑の草原」ですか・・・?(笑)
Crotchet30Sheet7mm 1 year ago
I'd like to see someone performing this.
Me2Myself3AndI 1 year ago
Hmm.. "English Country Tunes" this sounds very pleasing indeed.. *turns up volume, leans back in chair with closed eyes* ...... BOOM OMG WTF SHIT PISS ASS EAR RAPE AAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!!!111 :S:S:S:S:S
MrOliverKjaerulff 1 year ago
This piece is proof that you can manipulate people very easily.
I guess I do appreciate Finnissy's sense of humour then!
os4mike 1 year ago 3
OK...now play it again.
wonderbung 1 year ago
midsummer morn is my favorite in this set
xodn3300 1 year ago
The first time I saw the score to/heard part of this piece I thought it was a joke; think a subtle version of John Stump's "Faerie's Aire and Death March". It was the "hands fractionally out of synchronization" part (not in this video).
qwAirGear 1 year ago
I must say, I really appreciate the points of relaxation
miglio77 1 year ago
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Anyways it would really fit into an oldschool splatter movie
NumberX92 1 year ago
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NumberX92 1 year ago
Did the writer put his dog on the piano? :D
NumberX92 1 year ago
Nothing is more wonderful than seein this music and trying the soft low clusters. Feldman would be proud. This is the most imaginative music I know of.F and Toovey are geniuses!
lovesGenet 1 year ago
Ow...
shanaruhuen 1 year ago
I knew!!! something was wrong, and I discovered it!! in 4:52 he played D instead of C#, and I went crazy!! How the pianist DARES to change the music!?? it's almost... MOZART!! sorry, thumbs down, sucker! :D
mbalciunas 1 year ago
Finnissy has spent too long under the spell of the french theoretical school of contemporary music embodied by Boulez and IRCAM, where the concept matters more than what the music actually sounds like. Ferneyhough is another victim. They need to pull their heads out of their arses and relearn the art of listening.
fremsley001 1 year ago
I really don't remember the English countryside being this chaotic a place. Suicide-worthy fact of the night: Michael Finissy teaches composition at Southampton University. For a species with such amazing cultural heritage, we take meticulous care in shitting on it at every turn.
thesunfiredblanks 1 year ago
Is this horrid nonsense an indicator of the future of art music? What a shame for high culture that this man has received even one commission! Please tell me the legacy of Schönberg will fade away some time soon, for this is atheist music that rapes the human soul. We absolutely cannot go on with such rubbish and remain sane as a society.
CatholicRoyalist 1 year ago
@CatholicRoyalist This is the first time I've seen someone say something sensible about serialism on youtube. I honestly cannot express how much I agree with you.
It's not music - at most, it's a technical excercise, but what merit does that have? It's like me telling jokes that aren't intended to make people laugh, or writing unreadable, languageless books for whatever purpose - and yet people leap on pedastals and claim that this is an opinion of someone who doesn't understand composition.
thesunfiredblanks 1 year ago
@thesunfiredblanks this piece is not serial....it is modal at some points...you obvioulsy haven't listened to more than a few minutes.
japanesesweet 1 year ago
@CatholicRoyalist I agree in every aspect, except for the "atheist" part. That's just unnessecary, and has got nothing to do with the music (or whatever you want to call it). Please seperate those two in the future.
Mikkerdreng 1 year ago
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madlovba2 1 year ago
Same question: Who is this idiot?
Lisztify 1 year ago
Who is this idiot?????
MikePiano83 1 year ago 3
think its gross
nihsarumakan 1 year ago
What a great resporce read about him in Dubal's book on contemporary piano but could not find or buy recs,This is amazing sounding music.Can it really be played? I love his approach. Barraque ,Boulez etc. sound nothing like this englishman. Amazing modern noise can be so different sounding.
lovesGenet 1 year ago
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I heard Bobby Crush play this at the Darlington Miners Welfare Club, 3 September 1985. It received a standing ovation. Afterwards Arthur Scargill presented Crush with a signed manuscript of his own Yorkshire Suite No. 2 for trumpet, comb and paper (arr. R. Hazelhurst) on which he had written "To Bobby. Thanks for your support."
fremsley001 1 year ago
I heard Bobby Crush play this at the Darlington Miners Welfare Club, 3 September 1985. It received a standing ovation. Afterwards Arthur Scargill presented Crush with a signed manuscript of his own Yorkshire Suite No. 2 for trumpet, comb and paper (arr. R. Hazelhurst) on which he had written "To Bobby. Thanks for your support."
fremsley001 1 year ago
@fremsley001 Was that the same concert where Russ Conway play Stockhausen's "Zyklus" on the spoons?
egapnala65 3 months ago
It's extremely hard. and it sounds weird....Although it's one of the hardest piano pieces in the world, but I don't really like it-not the way performer played, but the piece itself.
davidsunsbk 1 year ago
Supposedly Finnissy recorded all of his own music. But the idea behind it is that you play all twelve notes, without repeating a note until you have played all eleven other notes. It's completely ridiculous to do, especially at that speed.
Boleslaw90 1 year ago
but that's not his composition technique- -where did you get this idea from? some of the piece is modal so not about playing 12 notes as quicky as possible.
japanesesweet 1 year ago
can anyone tell me who the player is?
s6b4 1 year ago
I heard a wrong note at 4:26
s6b4 1 year ago 3
Can somebody explain english country tunes composition to me? I can't catch a sense of it....nevertheless I found it very magically...
Kapomafioso 2 years ago
me neither... there are glimpses of patterns, but I dont understand it.
Composition technique
MF: hmmm, this would give a nice effect if i did this cluster- then hit the top C, then- hmm- Il pause for 15 seconds then start some leaping fist chords... Im on a roll!
kastlesucksTDOTS 2 years ago
Very green.
ultracoolhomies 2 years ago
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im sorry but this is just terrible! wheres the melody, wheres the harmony, the musicality, anything that resembles a song! its like if a virtuoso pianist lost all of his talent and decided to play around on it!
looney1023 2 years ago
@looney1023 Agreed.
Tokkemon 1 year ago
@looney1023 If I could mark you down more than once, I would. Not all music requires harmony.
darkitechture 1 year ago
C'est pas très harmonieux...Trop de notes sur partition pour autant de vacarme...Désolé mais c'est pas beau?... qui peut jouer ça..! Cela reflète bien le désordre de notre monde actuel...à méditer..!
gene397 2 years ago
is this played by a human?
moonstaff1234 2 years ago
Oui mais par un humain un peu malade dans sa tête...
gene397 2 years ago
Please tell me that this is for player piano or I'll go and die.
RediForKing 2 years ago
But the rhythms are free and simply ensure that events don`t occur at the same time- -in some ways it's the most convenient way of writing it out ,but those complex ratios aren`t to be taken too literally.
japanesesweet 2 years ago
yeah, great music, all the Tunes; incredible Piano-Composer
herma57 2 years ago
While I can't stand this piece, it's certainly very fascinating, and terrifying. I couldn't have thought of a less appropriate name though! :P
OverFjell 2 years ago
楽譜ほしい~~~~~~~!!!!!
どこかに売ってるかな?♪
mittan018 2 years ago
Finnissy's piano music is TOTAL PIANO MUSIC! People must be informed however that his music of this period for piano is aesthetically similar, and this is currently not the case. His writing style has changed considerably over the last 20 years. ...and NO, these are not actually English country tunes. He does not quote any tunes or folk music. This piece is just one enormous complex vision of the England Finnissy perceived in the late 70's.
PiaNonuTT 2 years ago 3
Good explanation. I find Finnissy's music very interesting. It always triggers thoughts.
trees1 2 years ago
譜面が怖い。
puritytruth 2 years ago
Je vous comprends bien...
gene397 2 years ago
is this meant to be played by a human?
aslanov 2 years ago 2
Oui ! pour un seul piano..."Clé de fa et clé de sol in C majeur..." Courage pour jouer that et c'est pas harmonieux du tout...Salut !
gene397 2 years ago
well.. at least it looks cool
byTorstipappa 2 years ago 7
I only have 1 question...who goes to the country and comes back with THIS? He must have went to romania and got abandoned in a castle with an organ in it or something lol.
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago 33
I have to say. This doesn't really have any musicality except to scare someone out of their shoes. If that's what he composed it for then GOOD JOB!!!!
TheFrenziedPianist 2 years ago
I would not say it is unmusical, you just have to dig deep to find it. I do not much care for the English Country Tunes myself, I do not see what is so great about 'em.
morvensky 2 years ago
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This is a fucking bullshit.. No fuckin melody.. I know how he wrote this, he closed his eyes, started the note writing machine and he was bashing the piano like an idiot.. This isn´t a piece, this is a piece of shit.
cappko 2 years ago
If so, I wish I had the "note-writing machine" that he has - it would be so far advanced from what is actually available - this is music about gesture and powerfully terrifying music nonetheless. Listen again.
bullitosaladino 2 years ago 2
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!
cappko 2 years ago
Oh my God!
MagicDonDino 2 years ago
wtf!??!?!?!??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FirstPublicChannel 2 years ago
This is madness!
MagicDonDino 2 years ago
How the hell could you have handled those transitions???
You are skilled!!
kastlesucks 2 years ago
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This is a classic case of "The Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome. One is supposed to be extremely impressed with this great intellectual "music", and if one is not, why one is just not intelligent enough, sensitive enough, musically literate enough, etc.
But the simple fact is, this "music" is not music at all. It is in fact, just noise, masquerading as music. The score is beautifully written, without doubt. But beyond this, what we have here is utter rubbish - pure and simple.
juzzyfuzz 2 years ago
This is a classic case of delusions of grandeur. One such as yourself is either capable of comprehending the musicality of a highly complex and modern aesthetic or it is "not music"; apparently, you are not intelligent, sensitive and/or musically literate enough.
But the simple fact is, this music is music whether you say it is or not, by definition. It is beautifully written notation put upon staves to be performed on a piano, manufactured specifically to be listened to. It is thus music.
John11inch 2 years ago 3
A very mature response :P
juzzyfuzz 2 years ago
I'm not in the business of going out of my way to be mature (at the expense of my own amusement) for the likes of retards and/or people with the username "juzzyfuzz", as if the second could ever be exclusive from the first.
John11inch 2 years ago
From your profile and your responses, you obviously need to feel you are right, and more intelligent than everyone around you. I'll leave you to it - good luck!
:-)
juzzyfuzz 2 years ago
If you're accusing me of narcissism, wouldn't I simply always think I'm correct no matter what?
So, luck is not necessary.
John11inch 2 years ago
Entertaining words from your profile, John1Inch ;-)
" I'm smarter than you./ I know way more about music than you. / I will always win. You will always lose. You are not an exception. / Don't say something without backing it up. / You are not my equal in this right. Therefore, you are inferior. Accept your place."
Well, I agree: "Don't say something without backing it up."
You haven't proved anything so far ;-)
Take the challenge
Good video! I enjoy reading the score. Thanks!
coldanke 2 years ago
Then allow me to make a statement. You're an idiot.
I'm not going to bother proving it because you do it on your own.
John11inch 2 years ago
You have a weird sense of humor, if you think that when you try to insult people that they will be triggered to do what YOU want.
If it pleases you to think I am an idiot, feel free to do so. It doesn't bother me at all.
coldanke 2 years ago
How many videos can you two possibly fight on?
morvensky 2 years ago
@John11inch ^^ Self portrait. Love it.
egapnala65 3 months ago
The simple fact is if John Cage recorded himself pissing in a bucket people like Johnny "Fascist" 2inch here would call it sublime genius.
egapnala65 3 months ago
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anyone that actually likes this shit is a self-righteous retard
sodoomia 2 years ago
LOL "Self-righteous retard". I've never heard those words together before! You must be right -- only someone as articulate as you could realize this. Go easy on us man, we're just not as smart as you....
flammesombres 2 years ago 2
"English Country Tunes" is a wolf in sheep's clothing: one would expect pastorally flavoured folk songs from such a title, but then blasts forth a revolution in chord structure, rhythm, and pianistic pedagogy. It's a shocking, complex intellectual puzzle that requires us to shed all musical prejudices and expectations before listening.
comrademarxist 2 years ago 2
Awesome piece, though I can't comprehend how to "decode" the score, let alone put the hands into those ungodly polyrhythms!
sanctusignis 2 years ago
cose piu semplici no è XD
pierlu94 2 years ago
What a great upload. I love Finnissy's English Country Tunes and I've never seen the full score until now - thank you.
My eyes aren't so great - how many f's are marked at the beginning of the second system around 4:07 ?
Hexameron 2 years ago
Seven ;)
tomekkobialka 2 years ago 2
@tomekkobialka what does ral mean (it aint rall)
hanzimaster 1 year ago
Wow. Never heard this before or seen the score. Nothing like a song to whistle on my way to work!
3cplantin 2 years ago 3
Forgot to thank you, tomekkobialka, for posting these recently. Thank goodness for things like this on YouTube because the mainstream sources just never play (or display) modern music. Somewhere, though, I think I heard him play an A-sharp instead of an A.... or was that a quintuple piano (ppppp) instead of merely a quadruple?
3cplantin 2 years ago
You're welcome :)
tomekkobialka 2 years ago
probalbly it was four-and-a-half p
Daanmarchand 2 years ago