Colin Powell On Face The Nation Part 2 Of 2 May.24, 2009

[mistersumthing]

this guy is the only republican who has a fighting chance of being an intelligent president

[qlaw04]

@mistersumthing

You mean like Carter, Clinton or this current clown Obama?

Keep yer so called intelligent president!

I want a safe, prosperous country .... the GOP does that, the Dems foil it.

[mistersumthing]

Obama would probably run circles around your IQ, and last time I checked, Clinton left with a surplus...so that's the prosperous there. And as far as safe...didn't 9/11 happen on Bush's presidency...oh yah it did. I was right, I stand by the comment.

[qlaw04]

No son, Clinton didn't leave with a surplus, the Replicans who controlled Congress, cut taxes and fought the deficit and Alan Greenspan's monetary policy created that surplus.

9-11 was planned thruought Clinton's presidency and to blame a 5 month old administration for an attack that was planned mostly on the watch of the predecessing administration is stupid! No attacks post 9-11 happened during the Bush administration!

You lose!

[mistersumthing]

Clinton DID leave with a surplus, you can deny that all you want, won't change the FACT. Alan Greenspan...oh the same Alan Greenspan who thought Wall Street should run amuck which caused the excesses triggering the financial crisis....oh ya, a President who's in office 5 months but received message after message and dossier after dossier but did nothing is not to blame. Bush is an imbecile. And evidently so are his supporters

[qlaw04]

Clinton DIDNOT create the surplus since he had no control over spending. Congress does, learn about the political system before you talk shit! The Federal Reserve thru its monetary policy is what drives borrowing, and spending NOT the president! This is NOT a parliamentary system.

All the noise about Bush receuving dosier after dosier is rubbish because to date no one has produced evidence that the so called dosiers if they existed at the time (they didn't) ever made it to the president!

[qlaw04]

Read Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution.

Then read up on the Federal Reserve Bank and its role in governance. Then read up on the issue of Line Item Veto....

You lefties need to learn some economics before you start talking about what president did what and so on. If this were Canada where the Prime Minister and HIS cabinet controls the entire budegtary process ... fine, but to apply that same logic here is .. well loonie!

[mistersumthing]

No one said Clinton single handedly created surplus because he took over all aspects of national governance. His policies either stimulate growth or impede it. His obviously worked for growth - to imply otherwise is loonie. And the dossier's he received are well documented, and a matter of historical record that NO ONE denies except for you apparently. The difference between u &I is I look at the facts and make a judgement on an individual based on that. U make the judgement then skim the facts

[qlaw04]

His policies did NOTHING to create or destroy surplus since he had NOTHING to do with the budgetary process! The Congress DID ALL the work Clinton merely signed THEIR budgets into law! Gosh you really don't understand US government!

As for Bush getting dosiers since "NO ONE" produced evidence of such dosiers existsing before hand then it is pure fantasy in the minds of those like you who assert such things.

You need PROOF not mere words!

[mistersumthing]

Policies, which indirectly either cultivate growth or stagnate it, are pushed by the administration at the time. Who puts that administration in place? The president. Let's not play little boy games and pretend that I said the President is directly involved in all budgetary decisions- of course he doesn't. But, Bush was a proponent of free-market "let the market correct itself". And proof - watch Condoleeza Rice confirm it to the senate. You should learn before you talk BS

[qlaw04]

We're NOT talking "policies" we're talking finances! YOU started out CLAIMING that Clinton left the country with a surplus. The fact is that since neither Clinton NOR ANY President has power over the purse HE cannot leave the country in surplus, debt or whatever. ONLY Congress can do that by crafting a budget which the President with no line item veto can either sign entirely into law or reject completely! The presidnet can make budgetary suggestions but he in the end does NOT create it!

[mistersumthing]

yes, genius, but what he supports or pushes back, ends up getting through or not. so what does that tell you? please take your 5th grade shit to someone who knows as little as you.

[qlaw04]

No he can either support the whole budget bill or not. He doesn't get what he supports mixed in with what he pushes back. In order to do so he'd need a LINE ITEM VETO.

5th grade? No kid this is far beyond that and far beyond your level of understanding.

[mistersumthing]

read what I wrote, and jumble in your half facts about what I wrote. That's not what I said - if you weren't in 5th grade you'd see that

[qlaw04]

"yes, genius, but what he supports or pushes back, ends up getting through or not."

First off that is a level of grammatical stupidity that's off the charts! I have NO Idea what you said, and I doubt you do either!

Next, unless you give up this insane attempt to rescue to blatantly false presmise that the president controls or even has any significant imput into the budgetary process then anything you say is hereby irrelevant!

[qlaw04]

"But, Bush was a proponent of free-market "let the market correct itself""

So you're NOT a proponent of the free market?

Perhaps socialism or communism works better? And your example of that is???

[mistersumthing]

life isn't black and white genius. There are other alternatives to free market that don't equate to communism. That's the problem with people who know very little but talk a whole lot. How about some regulations so the banks aren't in a position to take the world down because of their gambling? is that communism? honestly your crap is boring me.

[qlaw04]

Well the free market system minus the Keysian reforms that social democrats like you would put in have been rejected by nearly every economist who's won a Nobel Prize in economics.

There's a whole school of economic thinking devoted to the market which is called the Chicago School of economics from which hails the world's foremost expert economists!

And what you call gambing, we economists call market speculation and it happens everywhere and its not just banks that speculate!

[mistersumthing]

If you're an "economist" i'm the queen the england. you're just a dork with google, who now thinks he knows how the world works because he's watched the finance show on fox.

when banks draw money on other banks, take out insurance policies, and then bet on the fact that they will fail/ or succeed, that's gambling. And yes there is a whole school of economics who disagree with any government intervention at all - but guess what Alan Greenspan himself says he was WRONG.

[qlaw04]

"Alan Greenspan himself says he was WRONG. "

So Alan Greenspan dismissed supply side economics? I don't think so.

"There's a whole school of economics?"

The Chicago School is the premier economic school of thought world wide dolt!

You know Jack Shit about economics private or public finance as evidenced by the fact that you're still refusing to admit that you're wrong about the assertion that the President has any control over the budgetary process besides suggestions!

[foshea]

I think Powell is a great man and a great American. However I wish he had used the term "torture."

[Redcarpet01]

Same here.

[laurak40]

Colon Powell is my hero and a Army Vet. You sorry followers of Rush Limbaugh can't say that.

[rw5791]

you fucking knothead,I despise powell for sticking a knife in the republican's back.I could'nt care less about your fucking WMD'S.

[rw5791]

you want to know why russia is a broken down country of drunken addicts and criminals?Read the comment below.

[MarshallKutuzov]

Want to know why America is a country full of mass-murdering SCUM??? Read the comment above!!

Now fuck off and die, yankee douchebag!! And show us your WMD, you fucking CUNT!!!!

[MarshallKutuzov]

Powell is a CUNT. A lying neocon CUNT.

[MarshallKutuzov]

Where are your WMD, you lying sack of SHIT, Powell???

[maximuslaurius]

they wanted mccain to play hindenberg to palins hitler

[rw5791]

mccain destroyed his campaign at a town hall meeting just weeks before the election.A woman was scared to death of obama's willingness to listen to rev.wright every sunday for twenty years.Mccain said there was nothing to it and that's the precise moment when his campaign went down like a jet over n.vietnam.

[sprintNburgh]

absolutely sen.John Mccain served his country with honors like Gen. Powell did.Look when you decide to pick a drug addict and prescription fraund person like rush that says alot about cheney,some people thnk cheney should be brought up on war crimes.since cheney chose a draft dodger like rush who ran when the vietnam war was happening.i see what Powell is saying the Republicans need a strong party or there will be a one system party called democrats i would not want a one party system

[crewmaster9163]

John McCain sold out every principle he stood for in the 2008 election. He decided he'd do anything to be president, including pick an airhead for the second highest spot in our nation. Who could back that?

Colin Powell was complicit with the Bush administration in the Iraq war debacle. He allowed them to bully him into lying to the American people.

He is paying his dues now and trying to redeem his soul.

I give him credit for the about face. Better late than never.

[rw5791]

powell says republicans must be more moderate but he voted AGAINST john mccain,the leader of the moderates.Colin is full of shit.

[dwbkmj]

no he's not. Yes McCain is moderate but during the election he was sounding more and more far right. Powell also stated the reason he voted for Obama. Plus McCain's camp during the election was using the far right fear tactic, Obama's a muslim, he's soft on terrorism and is a friend of terrorist, etc... I mean come on McCain lost his way. I wanted to vote for McCain but I changed my mind when he choosed Sarah Palin.

[sprintNburgh]

millions of non blacks serviceman and civilians voted for President Obama is this bcoz he is Black, no idiot,. General Powell recognizes that His Political Party is at a state of emergency (record number of voters switched to democrats,many politians switched from a republican to a democrat, if the republican party is to survive they better take some notes from Gen. Powell I worked the elected and life long red blooded americans voted for Obama

many whites in Iowa voted for Obama why is that

[jdrules76]

In 1996 during his RNC speech, he said: We are the party committed to lessening the burden of taxes, cutting government regulations and reducing government spending, all for the purpose of generating the higher economic growth that will bring better jobs, wages and living standards to all our people. Sounds nothing like Obama's agenda. The issue isn't him being Black supporting another Black person; it's about him going against his previously stated beliefs to support a Liberal candidate.

[jamalmorelli]

Cheers to four-star general Powell with 35 years of service as a professional soldier. Truly, a rich and challenging life that has been dedicated to the best of what an American can be.

And happy memorial day to my family serving overseas...

[creative368]

If we're going to talk about who's not served in the military----what about ol' W? He chickened out with his tail between his legs (much worse than not signing up at all and actually doing something productive like Clinton AND Obama). Powell made the choice he made because the Republican Party offered a miserly, elderly sell-out that clearly did not have the facility to handle such a big job. What's wrong with endorsing Obama when incompetence is your ONLY other choice?

[halette20001]

So Ron Paul is a "TRUE" conservative huh? He believes that the Civil War should never have been fought and that the south should have been allowed ot seceed from the Union! If he becomes President and a state, such as Texas, tries to seceed, he will LET THEM! Conservatives are a blight on our country! And that is why they lose elections!

[GoingToFast]

Please everybody, you got to see this, copy and paste this into 'Search' , it's hilarious.

"Eddie Murphy - First Black President"

[onerpone]

ITS OFFICIAL! I now despise Barack Obama as much as George W. Bush1He refuses to pressure the Attorney General to PROSECUTE Bush for his illegal WIRE TAPPING and TORTURING ways.Its becoming real clear that our government tortured detainees not for information but for forced confessions2He's NOT pushing for Single Payer Health Care3He's killing innocent civilians in Afghanistan and is killing Americans troops in these failed 2 wars he refuses to end.Even the NY Times says he's Dick Cheneys BITCH

[Egypt7788]

U can not B serious it been 4 months give this man a break. U liberals are all the same!

[armyveteran101st]

Let me guess...You must be one of those Far-Left whackos, right? The Democratic Party does not need morons like you, bud. Go practice your Far Left extremism somewhere else....

[GoingToFast]

You're a Zionist agent aren't you?. The only thing missing from this comment is "G-d" at the end.

[armyveteran101st]

Fuck off...

[GoingToFast]

Right back at ya, AGENT.....

[shemmarr]

they just to far right they need to be towards the center. plus most american are logical now and think the republicans are full off shit. iwanna see the republicans recover though. o yeah i voted for obama.

[GoingToFast]

"Dick" Cheney is a Zionist Agent.

Colin Powell is a Sion Soldier.

[rocklee309]

Ok then im a Jedi Knight

[GoingToFast]

NO, what you should have written is:

"OK then, AND I am a Jedi Knight."

Please.... learn how to read and write the Queens English.

[armyveteran101st]

And you are a moron

[lightingnoir]

The republican party needs more members like Powell that are willing to engage the Dem's in policy debates not rhetoric.

[theFB]

Lets not let Powell off the hook he gave a speech that was a complete lie and convinced many to support the Iraq war.

[jmspflw]

Rush has 22 million listeners. Does anyone listen to Powell?

[NickyH55]

yes everybody who watched faced the nation on my 24th and everybody watching these you tube videos of him.

[sharpasaneraser]

right, waterboarding exists because it isn't effective. it's common knowledge that many intelligence officers have testified to it's proven efficacy. you'd rather risk thousands of lives or preserve the serenity of a known conspirator.

[sofianiab]

what a man of common sense, I am a conservative but I use my brain, every time U hear that terrorists hate America for its principles I say this is nonsense because the Swiss have more freedom than the Americans, so why they did not hate Switzerland or any other free country hope we had an many people like Powell. He served his country Rush did not, Powelll put his life on the line Rush put his mic to misinform people Rush's Elk are doing the same, they make money on the expense of the truth.

[amirforman]

Nicely said. Powell is a man of honor. Who is rush? He is an entertainer; a clown!

[311bmurr]

but didn't stop 911 when people in the administration knew that it was going to happen at the very least!

[une12folie]

No names: you know who you are and I can do without your moronic retaliation, BUT, oh boy, are some of the postings here seriously dumb or what? Some of you need to go and get out your Richard Scarry Big Books On: Interrogation; Legal Advice; Politics. Don't bother to try to read them, we haven't got until Thanksgiving 2050, just look at the pretty pictures. That should help you see how pathetic your comments are.

Powell could be the best President the USA never had. And I'm a liberal...

[sprintNburgh]

if cheney thinks that limbaugh is a better republican then cheney should endorse Limbaugh for President in 2012,

Sen.Joe Lieberman who is a democrat came out for McCain during the election does this make Sen. Lieberman a Republican? No. Mr. Powell has brought integrity to the republican party, he served his country with honors that is more than Rush Limbaugh who dodged the vietnam war.Rush Limbaugh knows nothing about serving his country,Cheney thought he was president and not no.# 2 man

[bryannforClark]

Please sir, don't make any salient comments here it's just too hard for these assholes to comprehend. They would only accept your comments if you say names like Obambi, Socialist etc. etc. you know like the most predictable shit.

These are truly scary for America if these idiots takes control of the Republican Party. America needs two strong National party for it's interest.

[jdrules76]

You truly missed the point of the whole Cheney and Limbaugh criticism of Powell. He supported Presidents Reagan and Bush 43 twice, and then he supports Obama, who is the polar opposite. McCain was the type of Republican he says he wants to lead the GOP, but he did not have the courage to stand with him. His military service is not germane unless he wants to lead the GOP on the battlefield. Also, Presidents Obama and Clinton did not serve in the military, but I guess that is not an issue.

[sprintNburgh]

i didnt miss a thing but cheney and limbaugh came out against Gen Colin Powell,Clinton nor Obama attacked Gen. Colin Powell.Rush Limbaugh is a darft dodger he ran from his military service.Gen Colin Powell served under 2 Presidents, a four star general,a life long registered Republican,Dick (darth vader) Cheney is up to his old tricks. Colin Powell served his country almost all his life how many people can say that.

[jdrules76]

John McCain served his country with honor "almost all his life", as did Colin Powell. However, it's probably safe to say you did not support him in the 2008 election, and you probably were critical of him during that time. He joined this GOP fight as a politician and civilian, not as a General, so he is fair from anyone (veterans and/or civlians). This country has a history of separating military service from civilian service (e.g., McArthur, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama, etc.).

[sharpasaneraser]

gen. powell makes the case for waterboarding more so than against it. if the journalist, who underwent waterboarding, screamed to be released from it after only 6 seconds, one must conclude it to be effective without doing physical and permanent damageto the interrogated.

[lamblane]

I'm sorry, but real detainees don't have a toy they can toss to make it stop. I also seem to remember that the guy said unequivocally that it was torture.

When you have it done to yourself or better yet a loved one not once, but repeatedly, then you can spout off.

[SkyDaddy7]

Waterboarding is not reliable! Those who have trained to take like KSM went 183 times over month! Others just tell you what you want to hear...The FBI & CIA have modern techniques that are better, more reliable & faster than torture (waterboarding)!

Regardless of how cool you might think it is America has not tortured before 9/11 and America will not torture again!

[bryannforClark]

Do you even understand what you just wrote? also did you even comprehend what Gen.Powell enunciate?

For you to make it sound like Gen.Powell have made a strong case for Waterboarding more so than against it? Wow talk about reaching. As for the person being waterboarded lasting only for 6 seconds, if you are intelligent enough to understand the method of waterboarding which is torture would make any person confess to about everything you are accused of just to get it over with.

[sharpasaneraser]

exactly..."if you are intelligent enough to understand the method of waterboarding which is torture would make any person confess to about everything you are accused of just to get it over with. "

that is a very strong case for waterboarding---if the situation merits drastic measures ( in 3 cases it did after 9/11) because of an imminent dire threat involving the lives of thousands...waterboarding is not only a resonable option it is the most humane option for extracting the pertinent 411.

[PatrynXX]

Cept it cost 4000 soldier lives in Iraq because someone tortured them to make sure there was a link between Iraq and the Taliban. So in the end, torturing didn't work and it cost lives. And a heck of alot of money

[sharpasaneraser]

colin powell delivered to the u.n. an argument for invasion based on satellite pictures of "wmd"s. failed waterboarding was not the impetus for the iraq war....get real. you need to put survival and safety higher on your list of priorities...think about the esoterica later.

[1013joey]

misleading photos from cheney's intelligence team.

[PatrynXX]

Bush and nutty Cheney tied Iraq to the Taliban with or without the torture. thereby putting safety and survival on the back burner.

[sharpasaneraser]

yeah, colin powell was the fall guy.

powell was duped by cheney's sinister intelligence team.

it all makes so much sense.

case closed.

gen. powell is exonerated of any blame in these matters. it certainly wasn't his duty to verify the authenticity of the wmd photos he vouched for on the world stage.

yeaaahhhh, that's the ticket.

[patrick524555]

fuck this turn coat negro. That was bush first mistake putting this nigger in any kind of power.

[sharpasaneraser]

typical liberal racism.

[SkyDaddy7]

DO WHAT? LOL! You need to go back to school and learn some American Political Science! LOL!

[shenmueryu]

And people like you will be the ones to suffer before everyone else because you are going to offend someone on the internet with that talk. Keep wanting to be a slave and thinking that your kind is the best and everyone is below you AND THE GLOBALISTS WILL PUT A HURTIN ON YOU. You're probably already being watched just with this comment lol next thing we know you'll be on the news about how you did some stupid shit and wrote this on youtube

[halette20001]

patrick524555 - You said "That was Bush first mistake putting this nigger in any kind of power." THANK YOU! Its hard to find Conservative cult members that will admit their racist nature in public! Ive been saying that Conservatism is a racist antiamerican cult for years. Some didnt believe me. But your words provide more proof that what ive been saying is true! :D

Ur honesty will be rewarded in 2010/12 when Americans remove more of your cult from our govt, just like we did in 2006/08! LMAO

[merlyn73]

I'd take the word of the guy who served in combat for his country over the word of a fat greedy chickenhawk coward who took 5 differments when it was his name called. "Dick" Cheney is a scumbag of epic proportions, and as far as I am concerned, he's not even qualified to be in the same room as Powell.

[deepbluehawaii]

Powell has integrity. You know it when you see it.

If Cheney thinks Limbaugh is a better spokesman for the Republican party, I am sorry for thinking Republicans.

[halette20001]

deepbluehawaii - I think that what Cheney said was the best thing...FOR THE DEMS! :D

That dumb ass actually thinks that being the party of No, Secession, and Torture is a winning strategy in 2010/12! LMAO I've always said that the best thing Americans can do to expose the Conservative cult is to let them expose themselves! Rush, Dick, and Hannity are the greatest gift to the democratic party, conservatives can give. Its the gift that keeps in giving - as Dems win more and more elections! :D

[cartmanfan0316]

DIck Cheney is no CONSERVATIVE! He is a NEOCONSERVATIVE! Powell, is no conservative he is a blue dog democrat. Ron Paul is a true CONSERVATIVE!

LIBERTARIANS are true CONSERVATIVES!

[jdrules76]

As a member of the military, Colin Powell was a hero. But, as a politician or whatever capacity he is in now, he is a disgrace.

[bwil100]

in what regard is he a disgrace, please explain?

[jdrules76]

He was a Reagan Republican, who endorsed Obama, a candidate who actively and openly campaigned to dismantle the products of the Reagan Revolution. It's funny how he had no problem supporting (right of center) Republicans like Presidents Reagan (twice) and Bush 43 (twice); however, he couldn't support a left of center Republican like John McCain. Tell me what is the real difference among 2008 Obama, 2004 Kerry, and 2000 Gore platforms, and why he only supported Obama and not Kerry or Gore?

[bwil100]

What are the products of the Reagan Revolution that were dismantled? What were the reasons the following Conservatives supported Obama that were any different than Powell - Jim Leach, Christopher Hitchens, Lincoln Chafee, Christopher Buckley, Douglas Kmiec, William Weld, Wayne Gilchrest, Charles Fried, Arne Carlson, Charles Fried, Susan Eisenhower, Larry Pressler, Rich Riordan, Scott McClellan, Will Milliken, Linwood Holton, Lilibet Hagel, David Friedman, Michael Smerconish, CC Goldwater etc.

[bwil100]

Have you disappeared?

[1bulma1]

disgrace?

so how will u define rush nd cheeney

they are destroying the repubican party

rep party once had meaning

now they are nothing more than a bunch of angry white trash folks

if rep want to rise again they need to go back to the regan way

unless obama will continue to step on them and they will coninue to yell and screem in vain

[alaboos]

You're a phony - you know nothing about the military.

[jdrules76]

I am not sure where the "phony" label comes from; however, please explain how his "military" service has anything to do with this discussion about an effective "political" message or the GOP. Also, if military service is so important to you, why didn't he support a fellow veteran John Kerry in 2004. After all, Kerry's campaign platform was very similar to President Obama's, just packaged much better. Also, what about the military service of John McCain. I guess he's phony as well, huh?

[alaboos]

That was a reply to another guy, not the clip. I don't know how it ended up as a single post!

[SkyDaddy7]

As a disabled Vet I can tell you know little about Colin Powell. Kinda sad.

[jdrules76]

His or your military service is not at issue. Your being a disabled Vet does not mean you are "right" or more insightful. Powell is speaking out as a politician, not as a soldier. Actually, It's kind of sad you can't tell the difference.

[SkyDaddy7]

LOL!

Powell's experience as a soldier has no bearing on his knowledge about political problems that involve our National Defense.

Come on!!

[katey1dog]

If you Republicans want to lessen governments influence towards the people and thereby lowering taxes and and OBEY the Constitution, repeal the PATRIOT ACTS and end the Department of Homeland Security.

[dabigez357]

i use to like him....tell i figured out he is a liar like 99% in office! lies all lies!

[eqsmooth]

He was a tool for Cheney. Honest guys who believe most men are good can be fooled by men with dark powers. Cheney is a dark man. It has been proven Powell was duped. Cheney was the great manipulator of secrets just like Emperor Palpatine. Sorry for the fictional references but Cheney is nearly a carbon copy of that character from Star Wars. They say he was Darth Vader. No, Cheney was more manipulative, just like the Senator before he became Emperor. Cheney is out now. Good riddance. Obama won!

[Nidder1]

You had me right up until Obama won. What is obama doing that is any different? Bring the troops home? Nope. In fact those he pulls are simply being moved to Afghanistan. Ending the torture? Nope, in fact he's covering the Republicans and continuing. Don't be fooled by the face in Washington, the same powers lies behind both. Its one party with two heads. Until the people realize that, there will be no 'change'.

[SkyDaddy7]

You sir are an WRONG! What Obama has done is open everything up and shed light on it. He has ask congress & the Justice department to work on a legal process to meet these unprecedented time. There is no torture!

You are simply naive if you think leaving Afghanistan is the responsible action to take! Had Bush not left for Iraq we would not be in the shape we are in in Afghanistan.

THINK and stop trying to simplify what are very complex problems. THINK!

[Nidder1]

Light? Really, then enlighten me. Your rhetoric doesn't mean anything. Taking torture out of Cuba and moving it doesn't mean its over. You should be ashamed. You tell me to think and yet you support Obama not only continuing fraud, but protecting the Bush adminstration. Where are the pictures? You may want to live your life in ignorance, but not all of us do. Waking up to reality is a hard thing to do, but don't you think its time while you still have a right left. (Pun not intended)