Thank you for the video. I was born in 73 so I never got to see Rhodesia when it was successful economicly. I disagree about the IQ of Blacks being lower than any other group. colin powell is a very smart man. The RAR were Black solders who fought to keep Rhodesia free of communism. It sad that effort wasn't successful. Was lost politicialy just as veitnam was. There were American vets who fought in RLI.
It was a majority vote that got the terrorists into power. What was left behind, was paradise on a silver plate, for elementals like your kind to trash and ruin.
Black Africans have an avg IQ of 70. That genetic limitation is the problem that can never be overcome, not in Africa, N. America, Europe, anywhere.
Awesome video though, beautiful. It's always striking to see advanced technology created by advanced forms of humanity set in contrast to the rugged lands and primitive hominid breeds of Africa.
I ask that any current chat with spider879 be continued via your own channels and not my platform - apologies to the moderate sector - there is always some global element that will spoil life's experience for you...
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While I have no love for Mugabe,I say fuck ya'll apartheid loving African oppressing scum bag Mfkrs Rhodesia deserved to die and Rhodes body needs to be dug the fuck up and and shipped back to England or dumped in the sea but not buried on Africa's holy site..I was glad to see your asses got kicked..Fuck Mugabe but long live the second rise of Zimbabwe.
I figure you have no connection to the country (or Africa) at all - bet you have never even been to Zimbabwe, let alone have any qualification to berate its history or peoples - both recent (under Mugabe) and before 1980, right? The Chinese are the third 'rise' and the new masters... stay safe in your kitchen - thanks for the visit.
@enartee yes I am a de-tribalized Pan-Africanist I have genetic,broad cultural connection with Africans from the Cape to Cairo from the Horn to where the Atlantic touches the shores of the Senegal, so no divide and conquer mentality will work on me,I have contacts from my brothers and sisters from across the continent including Zimbabwe may she earn the title Great to her name once again Africans of the diaspora put our money time and effort ,to defeat apartheid loving mfkrs like you.
A true man of the world - and are swift to judge mfkrs... I am tribal (there is not such thing as an African born who is not tribal) - I was never racist or a supporter of the appartheid system in SA (it was never part of the government of Rhodesia) - but your kind could very swiftly change my African born beliefs. You have no 'brothers and sisters' from Africa - you are that part of the American tribe that is a scourge to the planet - and out of here...
@kneeslider47 Well I may have been of the mistaken belief that all present knew what he and others like him did .. yes he and his ilk pillaged and burn in the name of their Queen their God their country,and great was their sins, I have no problem if folks of Euro decent want to celebrate Cecil Rhodes but don't expect Africans and folks of African decent to join them,for what ever he did he did in their name.
@nazi30215 blacks didnt do nothin wrong , the whites came to take there land thats why they was a war so i dont see why you hate people that way and why you call them monkeys ?
we all know that colonial afrika is a time forgotten.....it has become a ticking time bomb......at least the colonists had some sort of manners and organization.now its a frikkin nightmare....
enartee, are you Rhodesian? (considering that it's a failed state, I don't recognize or use the term "Zimbabwe"). I am American but for years I have been totally fascinated with Rhodesia. If you lived in Rhodesia, I would love to ask some assorted questions. Every/anything ranging from military, to politics, to even general life there. Grocery/department stores, gas stations/fuel shortages, TV/Radio stations, industry, etc. Rhodesia didn't really have apartheid like S. Africa did, right?
Born there and only finally left in 84 - it is a big story - so many facets to what was a fine land with a great future - had it only been left to develop as it had committed to in 1961 - LONG before the whole UDI fiasco and long bush war! I really do not want to 'fill in your gaps' on this forum - if you want to drop me a line at msasasa@iafrica.com I will try and add to your knowledge / curiousity on the old country!
@msasauk "I really do not want to 'fill in your gaps' on this forum". OK, I understand & no problem, but, do you specifically mean THIS forum, or that you're really just not interested at all? What about our private Youtube inboxes? Would you mind much if we messaged there? I @ least have just 2 short, specific, non-invasive questions about videos. I sent a/the messege to your inbox with the details & in waiting for your answer regarding inbox coorispondence/videos.
I have no problem helping you with whatever information I can - this platform is just so SLOW and cumbersome - including the private message services... all the logging in is tedious mate! I do not spend much time on YT or FB or any of these sites largely for this reason - cannot remember all the flipping passwords!
Not lack of interest - just a dislike of the UTube comms channels. Ask away mate - I am sure I will come across your questions somewhere along the line!
FY biggoted / ill-informed Information... 'the monkeys' did not murder ALL the white people (at least I still remain for one...) and whilst the majority of the white population looked after their local workers very well, they could not possibly have fed them ALL - WHERE DO YOU COME FROM WITH SUCH DRIVELL? Come to think of it, you can take it back to where ever you came from, AND STAY THERE - you are outtahere... the visit was hardly worth the effort... nrt
A 240B is a type of machine-gun usually with one man carrying and operating it and another carrying the extra ammunition. It is mostly distinguished by the body and the removable barrel. They can lay down a lot of fire if the guy is willing to carry it (%#@ heavy!). I believe they are mostly of US manufacture and might have been embargoed.
@lipovan87 OK... we used to call it an MAG (sometimes also the LMG) and I don't think it was American? The poor soldier who used it usually carried the belts and spare barrels - it used to run very hot when laying down heavy cover. There was a phase when certain special forces carried Russian / Chinese weapons - in that case it was called an RPD ( as I recall) and had a circular magazine under it and not a belt.
@enartee I looked it up after posting and found that the 240B is based on some Belgian design. LMG would seem to be the weapons category including such things as the RPD as well. MAG seems to be the Belgian name in French so I'm assuming that Rhodesian forces used Belgian made weapons instead of US.
Did the weight of it limit it's use to motorized or airborne units? I doubt leg infantry would have been able to carry it around all day.
@lipovan87 Have a look at the Fabrique National site under MAG - the specs are there?
With 200,000 units delivered so far and over 80 countries around the globe adopting it, the MAG™ medium machine gun is definitely a worldwide standard known under various designations: MAG58, GPMG, L7A1 and M240.
They've got some stats there (I can't believe the barrel is only 6.6 lbs). I guess my blinkered sense of national pride has blinded me to the fact the Belgians seem the foremost manufacturers of infantry guns.
I am guessing that Belgium or some other country (probably SA but it could have been Portugal) bought a bunch of MAGs and then in turn sold them to Rhodesia.
Given that I had to carry around a vehicle-mounted 240B (US name for an MAG), I am quite aware of the weight.
Many people employed in a light infantry role preferred to carry rifles due to the agonizing weight of carrying a 240B with them all the time. I don't see how the RLI or SADF would have tolerated it.
Perhaps I am just prone to take offense but nothing I said could be reasonably construed as viewing the weight of a machine gun as a video game.
@pinz2022 I can try to find out - I am sure they are also at 1.27 and 2.24 (taken from the same op) at Mapai? The full film is on RF 1 and 2 DVD available from the site. nrt
@pinz2022 ex-rhodesians need to come together, raise millions of dollars for the purpose of training and equipping our sons and other young men and we prepare to go back to take our homeland. The alternative is talking nonsense about how nice things were in the past. The past is over and time to make a future.
@Tarapsa Why bother take back Rhodesia, when with the same millions, you could take South Africa, then rest of the Southern Africa, the whole region is ripe to claim. If only I have a single combat brigade, and I would do it myself.
@dtxu1 South Africa is still a white man's land in many respects. Bechuanaland is still a colony! Northern Rhodesia & Nyasaland are poor and not worth a single gunshot. Angola is too ready for war and battle hardened - you and your fellow dreamers wouldn't dare attack, even with 10brigades @ your disposal. But its good to day dream because it costs nothing
@dtxu1 Ah, thats common sense though mate - too much common sense for this mad World. Still, give it 20 years, things are going to get really fuc*ed up. I think colonialsim will be back with interest.. Sadly these nu-left politicians in the West only see 4 years into the future, they don't care about the next generation, or the generation after; they don't care what the Chinese military is doing and what thier long term plans are. In the UK we have what, under 100,000 troops? Going to need more!
The whole Southern Africa region of Africans are just waiting to smash your head with a blunt panga back to Australia or your ancestral land in Europe.
Well, that dispels any racist ideas about non-whites.
Maybe you should consider that Rhodesians developed an emotional connection to the land and people after the decades of building their society there? They have chosen their land of the heart.
We Africans wonder with great mystery how today's western generation is in complete denial of their atrocious history in Africa. Zooming in on Zimbabwe. If you say your cousins developed emotional ties to Zimbabwe, why did the native African people have to suffer so much for centuries/decades under them? They were driven out their lands and put in reserves. They were forced to learn English, accept Christianity, restricted travel, imprisoned and fought bitter wars and perished. Why?
Rhodesia was a case where two very different types of societies encountered each other. One had writing, a complex legal system, concepts of industry and trade, and an intellectual universe that allowed it's adherents to prosper. The other was more skilled with coping with their shortages and lacked the ability to harness more resources. The European settlers sought to build their society without suffering the interference of the natives who would stop them.
Why did Europeans whom believe in the Christian God commit a sin? Who gave them the moral right to invade African homelands to build their societies? Can't you see anything wrong with that? If the Europeans wanted to build a modern society, why did they have to come to Africa to do it? We both know the answer to my last question. It was for the resources. Most cultures are very hostile to invaders, especially African ones. Rhodesia would never have worked.
Societies are composed of human beings who want to build on their own. That is not a sin. That is the normal behavior of all societies including the Matabele or Shona who warred with each other. Rhodes wanted to build his society on gold deposits but there were none. They may have invaded the territory of the previous owners but rebuilt the land to be theirs. Rhodesians were attached to what they had built and did not consider themselves invaders. They lasted nearly a century.
Some of the suffering was deliberately inflicted (Rhodes' dishonesty when writing deals), some was tacit (separate land for whites and tribes), and some self-inflicted (tribes not wanting schools until the 1970's). They suffered because they did not manage to build a prosperous society. Other groups like Indians and Chinese did well because they knew what to do and did it. The result of the White settlement was a better society than previously existed even if Blacks were opposed to it.
In 1914, the Natives Reserves Order: Africans 24 000 000 acres, British South African Company 48 000 000 acres, single white setlers 13 000 000 acres, African population: 836 000, Whites: 28 000.
The Land Apportionment Act (1930): African Reserves 29,000,000 acres, European areas 49 000 000 acres African population: 1.1 million Whites: 50 000.
Your cousins invaded our lands & were kicked out. Ask the native Indians how they feel about people like you that seize their lands.
@enartee Not really, the Chinese is the only hope we can get back to Africa, the great game is on again, this time between the hungry Chinese resource demands and the newly formed US Africa Command, if we play smart, we will offer the Americans bulwark against Chinese expansion while giving Chinese better deals in resources, basically playing both sides.
@dtxu1 Furthermore we form strategic alliances with Israel, offer them the one thing they want the most, another pariah state apart from them for the liberal west to hate, and support their annexation of the West Bank and Golan Heights, while in exchange for nuclear technologies. Research med range ballistic missiles, not threaten the 5 UN permanent member, while gain tactical advantages over African nations.
@dtxu1 We also increase population by offering cheap land to Americans and Western Europeans who suffered at the current economical downturn. While boost birth rate by offering incentives for a bigger family, such as tax breaks, and cheaper medical and child care services. Same time increase military size, offering lucrative weapon deals to US, China and Russia, get their industry on our side. But like I said, all this can't happen if we don't gain a foothold in South Africa first.
@enartee That seems to be the case. I saw something about Chinese companies in Africa (maybe Zim.). They have mineral mines w/large compounds. They're staffed by all Chinese workers & their families, complete with housing/shopping facilities, defended by the Chinese military, etc. I can't find the video again. I am American but I have always been fascinated by Rhodesia & to a much lesser extent, Namibia. Not really S.A. so much, except for the border/bush & Angola wars. Interesting stuff!
That operation is using poor peasant labour to reap the rewards of Zimbabwe's 'Blood Diamonds' for the priveleged few that govern - very little is ploughed back into the economy for the benefit of the people.
@gjc82071 - I'm English by birth, spent 22 years in Rhodesia, left Jan 79 when, basically (having seen what had happend after so called Independence to the north) we saw the writing was on the wall. Britain and America should hang their head in shame for for being responsible for placing Mugabe in power. Both these countries have vowed a war on the "Axis of evil" - yet Mugabe carries on !! - discuss ?
@RHODESIA111 Wow, that is really cool. I am fascinated with Rhodesia. I sometimes correspond with a Rhodesian I met here on Youtube, but he is very busy & slow in his replies. If you don't mind, I would love to ask a few questions about life in pre-post independence Rhodesia. I completely agree with you about Mugabe. Though the West claims to despise dictators & tyrants, they sure have helped put enough of them in power. They claim to be pro-democracy/human rights, but they have an agenda
My china i grew up in Bulawayo(Greenfield school) and bunked classes for the bundus with my other china Wayne Gower.I now live in New Zealand....and I love all that mushi Rhodesian Chilapalapa and John Edmond troopie songs....a beer and some biltong!!Give me a call on +64 4 388 6890(Basil/Baz)
Thank you for the video. I was born in 73 so I never got to see Rhodesia when it was successful economicly. I disagree about the IQ of Blacks being lower than any other group. colin powell is a very smart man. The RAR were Black solders who fought to keep Rhodesia free of communism. It sad that effort wasn't successful. Was lost politicialy just as veitnam was. There were American vets who fought in RLI.
sass225 1 month ago
I say to spider879....the war was NOT lost.
It was a majority vote that got the terrorists into power. What was left behind, was paradise on a silver plate, for elementals like your kind to trash and ruin.
macoolu 3 months ago 3
@macoolu zimbabwe!!
canolaking 1 week ago
Black Africans have an avg IQ of 70. That genetic limitation is the problem that can never be overcome, not in Africa, N. America, Europe, anywhere.
Awesome video though, beautiful. It's always striking to see advanced technology created by advanced forms of humanity set in contrast to the rugged lands and primitive hominid breeds of Africa.
BossHoneycutt 4 months ago
@BossHoneycutt wow u are serious too.. zimbabwe!! what is meant to be ..will be
canolaking 1 week ago
I ask that any current chat with spider879 be continued via your own channels and not my platform - apologies to the moderate sector - there is always some global element that will spoil life's experience for you...
enartee 4 months ago
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While I have no love for Mugabe,I say fuck ya'll apartheid loving African oppressing scum bag Mfkrs Rhodesia deserved to die and Rhodes body needs to be dug the fuck up and and shipped back to England or dumped in the sea but not buried on Africa's holy site..I was glad to see your asses got kicked..Fuck Mugabe but long live the second rise of Zimbabwe.
spider879 4 months ago
@spider879
I figure you have no connection to the country (or Africa) at all - bet you have never even been to Zimbabwe, let alone have any qualification to berate its history or peoples - both recent (under Mugabe) and before 1980, right? The Chinese are the third 'rise' and the new masters... stay safe in your kitchen - thanks for the visit.
enartee 4 months ago 4
@enartee yes I am a de-tribalized Pan-Africanist I have genetic,broad cultural connection with Africans from the Cape to Cairo from the Horn to where the Atlantic touches the shores of the Senegal, so no divide and conquer mentality will work on me,I have contacts from my brothers and sisters from across the continent including Zimbabwe may she earn the title Great to her name once again Africans of the diaspora put our money time and effort ,to defeat apartheid loving mfkrs like you.
spider879 4 months ago
@spider879
A true man of the world - and are swift to judge mfkrs... I am tribal (there is not such thing as an African born who is not tribal) - I was never racist or a supporter of the appartheid system in SA (it was never part of the government of Rhodesia) - but your kind could very swiftly change my African born beliefs. You have no 'brothers and sisters' from Africa - you are that part of the American tribe that is a scourge to the planet - and out of here...
enartee 4 months ago 7
@spider879 nigga please you is a Tom, thats all you is, jus Tom. Go backs in da house and cleans it. you never was no africa.
CreekJohnson200 2 weeks ago
@spider879 Am I right in thinking you don't like old Cecil much? Just you didn't seem too clear on the subject!
kneeslider47 4 months ago
@kneeslider47 Well I may have been of the mistaken belief that all present knew what he and others like him did .. yes he and his ilk pillaged and burn in the name of their Queen their God their country,and great was their sins, I have no problem if folks of Euro decent want to celebrate Cecil Rhodes but don't expect Africans and folks of African decent to join them,for what ever he did he did in their name.
spider879 4 months ago
@spider879 You really dont have a clue do you??
MrAzrancher 2 months ago
@nazi30215 blacks didnt do nothin wrong , the whites came to take there land thats why they was a war so i dont see why you hate people that way and why you call them monkeys ?
shaddddy2002 6 months ago
@nazi30215 Well it's good to see that even idiots like you can use a computer or is it your carer - you certainly appear to be defective in some way.
medic7698 6 months ago
we all know that colonial afrika is a time forgotten.....it has become a ticking time bomb......at least the colonists had some sort of manners and organization.now its a frikkin nightmare....
456japan 6 months ago
enartee, are you Rhodesian? (considering that it's a failed state, I don't recognize or use the term "Zimbabwe"). I am American but for years I have been totally fascinated with Rhodesia. If you lived in Rhodesia, I would love to ask some assorted questions. Every/anything ranging from military, to politics, to even general life there. Grocery/department stores, gas stations/fuel shortages, TV/Radio stations, industry, etc. Rhodesia didn't really have apartheid like S. Africa did, right?
gjc82071 8 months ago
@gjc82071
Born there and only finally left in 84 - it is a big story - so many facets to what was a fine land with a great future - had it only been left to develop as it had committed to in 1961 - LONG before the whole UDI fiasco and long bush war! I really do not want to 'fill in your gaps' on this forum - if you want to drop me a line at msasasa@iafrica.com I will try and add to your knowledge / curiousity on the old country!
msasauk 8 months ago
@msasauk "I really do not want to 'fill in your gaps' on this forum". OK, I understand & no problem, but, do you specifically mean THIS forum, or that you're really just not interested at all? What about our private Youtube inboxes? Would you mind much if we messaged there? I @ least have just 2 short, specific, non-invasive questions about videos. I sent a/the messege to your inbox with the details & in waiting for your answer regarding inbox coorispondence/videos.
Thank you! :o)
gjc82071 8 months ago
@gjc82071
I have no problem helping you with whatever information I can - this platform is just so SLOW and cumbersome - including the private message services... all the logging in is tedious mate! I do not spend much time on YT or FB or any of these sites largely for this reason - cannot remember all the flipping passwords!
enartee 8 months ago
@gjc82071
Not lack of interest - just a dislike of the UTube comms channels. Ask away mate - I am sure I will come across your questions somewhere along the line!
enartee 8 months ago
@nazi30215
FY biggoted / ill-informed Information... 'the monkeys' did not murder ALL the white people (at least I still remain for one...) and whilst the majority of the white population looked after their local workers very well, they could not possibly have fed them ALL - WHERE DO YOU COME FROM WITH SUCH DRIVELL? Come to think of it, you can take it back to where ever you came from, AND STAY THERE - you are outtahere... the visit was hardly worth the effort... nrt
enartee 9 months ago 8
@enartee
I was referring to the weapon.
A 240B is a type of machine-gun usually with one man carrying and operating it and another carrying the extra ammunition. It is mostly distinguished by the body and the removable barrel. They can lay down a lot of fire if the guy is willing to carry it (%#@ heavy!). I believe they are mostly of US manufacture and might have been embargoed.
lipovan87 10 months ago
@lipovan87 OK... we used to call it an MAG (sometimes also the LMG) and I don't think it was American? The poor soldier who used it usually carried the belts and spare barrels - it used to run very hot when laying down heavy cover. There was a phase when certain special forces carried Russian / Chinese weapons - in that case it was called an RPD ( as I recall) and had a circular magazine under it and not a belt.
enartee 10 months ago
@enartee I looked it up after posting and found that the 240B is based on some Belgian design. LMG would seem to be the weapons category including such things as the RPD as well. MAG seems to be the Belgian name in French so I'm assuming that Rhodesian forces used Belgian made weapons instead of US.
Did the weight of it limit it's use to motorized or airborne units? I doubt leg infantry would have been able to carry it around all day.
lipovan87 10 months ago
@lipovan87 Have a look at the Fabrique National site under MAG - the specs are there?
With 200,000 units delivered so far and over 80 countries around the globe adopting it, the MAG™ medium machine gun is definitely a worldwide standard known under various designations: MAG58, GPMG, L7A1 and M240.
enartee 10 months ago
@enartee
They've got some stats there (I can't believe the barrel is only 6.6 lbs). I guess my blinkered sense of national pride has blinded me to the fact the Belgians seem the foremost manufacturers of infantry guns.
I am guessing that Belgium or some other country (probably SA but it could have been Portugal) bought a bunch of MAGs and then in turn sold them to Rhodesia.
lipovan87 10 months ago
@lipovan87 Really.The mg you got used to.Its heavy but this was a war not a video game.Pamwe chete.
heywoodjerbloume 1 week ago
@heywoodjerbloume
Given that I had to carry around a vehicle-mounted 240B (US name for an MAG), I am quite aware of the weight.
Many people employed in a light infantry role preferred to carry rifles due to the agonizing weight of carrying a 240B with them all the time. I don't see how the RLI or SADF would have tolerated it.
Perhaps I am just prone to take offense but nothing I said could be reasonably construed as viewing the weight of a machine gun as a video game.
lipovan87 1 week ago
@enartee MAG, Fabrique` Nationale NATO 7.62 round if I`m not mistaken?
poohbear750 4 months ago
@poohbear750 yes
enartee 4 months ago
@enartee
poohbear750 4 months ago
Was that a 240B around 1:52?
I've seen photos of them being used by SADF personnel but didn't think the Rhodesians had access to them.
lipovan87 10 months ago
Anyone from Chipinga..?
MrRhodesian 1 year ago
I have to know for historic purposes. Who's the Colonel and Major in .56 of the video?
pinz2022 1 year ago
@pinz2022 I can try to find out - I am sure they are also at 1.27 and 2.24 (taken from the same op) at Mapai? The full film is on RF 1 and 2 DVD available from the site. nrt
enartee 1 year ago
It makes me laugh the way Mugabe rants and raves about the British governmnet - it was those bastards who put him in power!!
andy7666 1 year ago
1965 - 1979. Was it all a dream? Seems like it's being written out of the history pages even as we speak.
Hmmm, maybe someone will restage a production of "Camelot" one of these days with period-appropriate settings, props and costumes?
"Don't let it be forgot
That once there was a spot,
For one brief, shining moment
That was known as...."
pinz2022 1 year ago
@pinz2022 ex-rhodesians need to come together, raise millions of dollars for the purpose of training and equipping our sons and other young men and we prepare to go back to take our homeland. The alternative is talking nonsense about how nice things were in the past. The past is over and time to make a future.
Tarapsa 1 year ago 22
@Tarapsa Why bother take back Rhodesia, when with the same millions, you could take South Africa, then rest of the Southern Africa, the whole region is ripe to claim. If only I have a single combat brigade, and I would do it myself.
dtxu1 1 year ago 5
@dtxu1 South Africa is still a white man's land in many respects. Bechuanaland is still a colony! Northern Rhodesia & Nyasaland are poor and not worth a single gunshot. Angola is too ready for war and battle hardened - you and your fellow dreamers wouldn't dare attack, even with 10brigades @ your disposal. But its good to day dream because it costs nothing
ronreiddalic 1 year ago
@dtxu1 Haulume muface!
ronreiddalic 1 year ago
@dtxu1 Ah, thats common sense though mate - too much common sense for this mad World. Still, give it 20 years, things are going to get really fuc*ed up. I think colonialsim will be back with interest.. Sadly these nu-left politicians in the West only see 4 years into the future, they don't care about the next generation, or the generation after; they don't care what the Chinese military is doing and what thier long term plans are. In the UK we have what, under 100,000 troops? Going to need more!
andy7666 1 year ago
@dtxu1 Count me in ANY time!!!!!!
In the 80's the whole world was again South Africa due to Apartheid...
Look at SA now!!!! Apartheid is still very much aliken but now the blacks are the ones in power!!!
WHERE is the rest of the world now???
Only a white man can be a racist, if a kaffir kills, rapes, or steals, u cant tell him or judge hil for it, or u will be called a RACIST!!!
Blacks love to play the underdog in this world!!!
AND IT WORKS!!! Fuck u to all white, naive liberals!!!!
griffonsa 11 months ago
@dtxu1
The whole Southern Africa region of Africans are just waiting to smash your head with a blunt panga back to Australia or your ancestral land in Europe.
forevah 10 months ago
@forevah
Well, that dispels any racist ideas about non-whites.
Maybe you should consider that Rhodesians developed an emotional connection to the land and people after the decades of building their society there? They have chosen their land of the heart.
lipovan87 10 months ago
@lipovan87
We Africans wonder with great mystery how today's western generation is in complete denial of their atrocious history in Africa. Zooming in on Zimbabwe. If you say your cousins developed emotional ties to Zimbabwe, why did the native African people have to suffer so much for centuries/decades under them? They were driven out their lands and put in reserves. They were forced to learn English, accept Christianity, restricted travel, imprisoned and fought bitter wars and perished. Why?
forevah 10 months ago
@forevah
Rhodesia was a case where two very different types of societies encountered each other. One had writing, a complex legal system, concepts of industry and trade, and an intellectual universe that allowed it's adherents to prosper. The other was more skilled with coping with their shortages and lacked the ability to harness more resources. The European settlers sought to build their society without suffering the interference of the natives who would stop them.
lipovan87 10 months ago
@lipovan87
Why did Europeans whom believe in the Christian God commit a sin? Who gave them the moral right to invade African homelands to build their societies? Can't you see anything wrong with that? If the Europeans wanted to build a modern society, why did they have to come to Africa to do it? We both know the answer to my last question. It was for the resources. Most cultures are very hostile to invaders, especially African ones. Rhodesia would never have worked.
forevah 10 months ago
@forevah
Societies are composed of human beings who want to build on their own. That is not a sin. That is the normal behavior of all societies including the Matabele or Shona who warred with each other. Rhodes wanted to build his society on gold deposits but there were none. They may have invaded the territory of the previous owners but rebuilt the land to be theirs. Rhodesians were attached to what they had built and did not consider themselves invaders. They lasted nearly a century.
lipovan87 10 months ago
@forevah
Some of the suffering was deliberately inflicted (Rhodes' dishonesty when writing deals), some was tacit (separate land for whites and tribes), and some self-inflicted (tribes not wanting schools until the 1970's). They suffered because they did not manage to build a prosperous society. Other groups like Indians and Chinese did well because they knew what to do and did it. The result of the White settlement was a better society than previously existed even if Blacks were opposed to it.
lipovan87 10 months ago
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@lipovan87
In 1914, the Natives Reserves Order: Africans 24 000 000 acres, British South African Company 48 000 000 acres, single white setlers 13 000 000 acres, African population: 836 000, Whites: 28 000.
The Land Apportionment Act (1930): African Reserves 29,000,000 acres, European areas 49 000 000 acres African population: 1.1 million Whites: 50 000.
Your cousins invaded our lands & were kicked out. Ask the native Indians how they feel about people like you that seize their lands.
forevah 10 months ago
@dtxu1 You may have left your valiant idea a little late - I think the Chinese have already taken over the sub-region! nrt
enartee 9 months ago
@enartee Not really, the Chinese is the only hope we can get back to Africa, the great game is on again, this time between the hungry Chinese resource demands and the newly formed US Africa Command, if we play smart, we will offer the Americans bulwark against Chinese expansion while giving Chinese better deals in resources, basically playing both sides.
dtxu1 9 months ago
@dtxu1 Furthermore we form strategic alliances with Israel, offer them the one thing they want the most, another pariah state apart from them for the liberal west to hate, and support their annexation of the West Bank and Golan Heights, while in exchange for nuclear technologies. Research med range ballistic missiles, not threaten the 5 UN permanent member, while gain tactical advantages over African nations.
dtxu1 9 months ago
@dtxu1 We also increase population by offering cheap land to Americans and Western Europeans who suffered at the current economical downturn. While boost birth rate by offering incentives for a bigger family, such as tax breaks, and cheaper medical and child care services. Same time increase military size, offering lucrative weapon deals to US, China and Russia, get their industry on our side. But like I said, all this can't happen if we don't gain a foothold in South Africa first.
dtxu1 9 months ago
@enartee That seems to be the case. I saw something about Chinese companies in Africa (maybe Zim.). They have mineral mines w/large compounds. They're staffed by all Chinese workers & their families, complete with housing/shopping facilities, defended by the Chinese military, etc. I can't find the video again. I am American but I have always been fascinated by Rhodesia & to a much lesser extent, Namibia. Not really S.A. so much, except for the border/bush & Angola wars. Interesting stuff!
gjc82071 8 months ago
@gjc82071
That operation is using poor peasant labour to reap the rewards of Zimbabwe's 'Blood Diamonds' for the priveleged few that govern - very little is ploughed back into the economy for the benefit of the people.
enartee 8 months ago
@gjc82071 - I'm English by birth, spent 22 years in Rhodesia, left Jan 79 when, basically (having seen what had happend after so called Independence to the north) we saw the writing was on the wall. Britain and America should hang their head in shame for for being responsible for placing Mugabe in power. Both these countries have vowed a war on the "Axis of evil" - yet Mugabe carries on !! - discuss ?
RHODESIA111 4 months ago
@RHODESIA111 Wow, that is really cool. I am fascinated with Rhodesia. I sometimes correspond with a Rhodesian I met here on Youtube, but he is very busy & slow in his replies. If you don't mind, I would love to ask a few questions about life in pre-post independence Rhodesia. I completely agree with you about Mugabe. Though the West claims to despise dictators & tyrants, they sure have helped put enough of them in power. They claim to be pro-democracy/human rights, but they have an agenda
gjc82071 4 months ago
@gjc82071 zimbabwe!!!!
canolaking 1 week ago
@RHODESIA111 zimbabwe!!!!!
canolaking 1 week ago
@dtxu1 Where do I sign up?
Pattab121 5 months ago
@Tarapsa
Your homeland is in Europe. I dare any of you nostalgic colonial Rhodesian invaders to challenge the British govt for your ancestral lands.
forevah 10 months ago
@Tarapsa Bay of Pigs : Rhodesia ?
biggrigga 9 months ago
@biggrigga no motha fuka. it gonna be victory at 1943 stalingrad all over again!!! and this time weez gonna be the commies!!! you dig?
Tarapsa 9 months ago
@Tarapsa Your homeland? Think the blacks got there first mate.
spackhollogay 6 months ago
@spackhollogay We all came from Africa at one time or another. Who got there first doest matter
ThouHastEnabled 5 months ago
@Tarapsa: I'd sign up ;
nighthawk006phoenix 2 months ago
My china i grew up in Bulawayo(Greenfield school) and bunked classes for the bundus with my other china Wayne Gower.I now live in New Zealand....and I love all that mushi Rhodesian Chilapalapa and John Edmond troopie songs....a beer and some biltong!!Give me a call on +64 4 388 6890(Basil/Baz)
Basil738 1 year ago
@TheDearLeaderEd if they were two important people in the army rhodesian
forumlivii60 1 year ago
0:55 , 2:13...who are they ?
forumlivii60 1 year ago
hi to all Ex-RHODIES out there....MUSHI...
Basil738 1 year ago
@Basil738 Howzit China. Where you from? Mushi
iltidsn 1 year ago
So these were raids into the sanctuaries in Zambia and Mozambique?
pinz2022 1 year ago