The picture of the 7th ID at the comindencia makes me laugh. I was in the 1/508 and we took it. Then every other unit showed up and took pictures as if they had done the deed. RIP Troy and Mike
@khensley1966 Its funny because I thought the US Army took it not you. Being in the 7th I'm sure we are not saying we took that one part of the invasion, I'm sure they just wanted there picture taken there. In the 7th we believe in teamwork, we did not mean to hurt your ego.
@motogpfan46 Let me ask you how you would feel. You and your buddies spend all night fighting to take the headquarters of the enemy with some of your best friends being killed. Not to mention the number injured. Then the next morning when the dust settles other soldiers show up and start posing to get their pictures taken next to the very place your best friend died to capture. Be honest how would you feel.
Unlike freedomisfromtruth...which should actually be farfromtruth...I was sent down to Panama for Just Cause with the 9th Regiment 7th Infantry Division. All foreign policy blunders aside, Noriega was not a nice guy. He really didn't want to give up power. And once we broke the back of his "military"which were really no better than a well armed group of thugs, things were pretty quiet. I did meet a lot of very thankful people, and it is a gorgeous country.
Video from military is equal to Hitlers video on his operations. Noriega was a CIA paid informant, and as usual by US standards sponsored him to overthrow a democratic government . Bush, head of CIA, ordered cover up of his drug operations, until it was convenient to publicize it. What was Noriega about to reveal when Bush ordered an illegal invasion. Only people hurt were civilians massacred and thrown in graves. Great job Bush, he must have no kharma at all. Drug traffic actually increased.
RENE COBOS ES EL MARSHALL QUE FUE POR PARTE DEL JUEZ FEDERAL A RETIRAR A NORIEGA CUANDO FUE CAPTURADO EN LA INVASIO, 6 AÑOS DESPUES RENE COBOS FUE DETENIDO POR LAVADO DE DINERO SIENDO MIEMBRO DE LA D.E.A.
Panamanian snipers alone took close to 23 targets... US Southern Comand had to hire snipers from canada to solve the problem. Lucky for me, I was given a layoff form the PDF. And i heard some of my friends telling me how some officers (friends of mine) were made statistics. I did not share their view regarding Noriega, thats why!! i was laid off!!! I'm sure some of the american officers share my feeling here. We did tried to do it ourself in october 89; but us did not come to pick him up.
@jr9098 I was absolutely horrified and humiliated when the U.S. backed out of that coup support. It was a hideous thing to do and many good men suffered torture and murder for it. I was ashamed.
I felt really sad when I saw some of this footage... that is being use to glorofy the entire US arm forces... some of these guys used to train together at what the called "maniobras conjuntas" inside Darien's jungle. I myself went to school of the Americas and took courses together with us troops. And look a few years after that we were shooting each other.
If the politicians at least a day in the trench, perhaps they will understand what is to be soldier...
@jr9098 It is always sad when people shoot at eachother. I support and honor the U.S. troops who fought in Panama, but I know there were also some good guys on the other side. It is sad how things turn out, yes. And the School of the Americas was no small thing... so congratulations on going there!
today a day like today 21 years that an invasion step in panama yi really is sad to remember comrades who died together We had the invasion and some simpre tendre qe me in mind I am sobreiviente of invasion by then I was only 21 years and serving DEFENSE forces today to see the video that I'm sad to remember these events
@cholo5ta 21 years is so very young to be have been in battle, on either side. I see you are a good man and not like Guardia I knew. It is sad to lose any life at all, for anyone in battle, and any civilian casualties. As you know, my allegience is with the US military. However, this does not, in any way, belittle the battle scars in Guardia/PDF. I wish you well.
@RiverBirch1967 What I inflated the pancreas and liver pisses me off is the amount of lies that the government says Yankee. When they were in the Canal Zone many as fuck us army tried to Panamanians, when I remove the channel Torrijos look how? The general died mysteriously. Noriega, Noriega was the CIA but they went out of control and no longer respected USA and the number of Panamanians who died and the invasion because they say the truth, such is the shame they have to lie!
@360Nomad Hes in the navy and the Navy used steel helmets up to the early 90s even in the gulf war some had them. The kevlar started use in the early to mid 80s so all branches did not get it till the 90s
@vibes84 That number is way overblown. No way were that many killed. Maybe you are too young to know this and have listened to folk tales. However, many were killed, yes, as in any war, civilians of both sides were killed, including several US citizens that were civilians.
@RiverBirch1967 believe me it was more than 4000 people, whose bodies were burn and buried for nobody to find them this wasn't the way to capture noriega, it just wasn't right :( I give you an invitation to El Chorrillo, to see your people legacy to the 4000 and more panamanians who loss their life 1989 Q.D.E.P. Panamá Soberana
@Canalero09 ?? I dont understand? because Im younger than you, I dont have the right to express my opinion? Im just saying the facts that were collected after the invasion, anyways any life is valuable, sadly it sometimes seems that americans lifes are more valuable than panamanians :( we are all human beings that were put on this earth with the same rights.
You are welcome.. :) I'm wanting to know details... See I know alot about what happened... But I dont know everything.. Lol But I wanna know about the invasion??.... And if you dont mind me asking, how did you get these photos?
No sir, that's not what I meant.. I meant when we captured Manuel Noriega?? But please know, I wasnt asking the question trying to be a smart mouth.. Im just doing some research on the event and wanted to know what really happened?? I apologize if I offened you..
@MsMirandab Thank you for being so nice. You have not offended me (and I'm a girl (smile)). When we captured Noriega, that was the only invasion and the one this video is about. Noriega's was a horrible rule to live under.
@mmparker1969 Thank you for this correction. I got the info from a military website and have been told a couple were wrong. Thanks again. They were both heroes to me.
i'm sorry mam but you video has made me feel raped and abused allover again. i tryed sending you a private message but you have a lot of blocks on i suppose is beacuse this video is so offensive. ii wanted to share this video with you but i refuse to be your "friend" have a nice life cause you'r going to hell
Funny how some really good memories come from really bad times...3/27 (7th I.D.) had just done a deployment to Camp Pendleton for 2 weeks, got back, cleaned gear and bam! Blue Bayonet - we're off again. Got about 3 hours sleep over 6 day period to get ready and deploy. Trigger happy Lieutenant almost lit me up the first night in country!
Thanks for the video. Brought back some good and some bad memories-mostly good-the bad tend to get supressed. I was in the Air Force and sent there for the invasion. I was communications based out of Howard AFB. To my son, it's ancient history, to me, it was just yesterday. Glad Panama is prosperous today. After Panama, the humidity of the deep south never bothered me again-haha. Most people forget about this invasion, just like they forget about Grenada.
Thank you for your words, hiplains2. You did something very important in Panama during those days. The good is still felt there today, in the prospering new economy.
Was unnecesary. The true is that USA had other ways to get the same result. Anyway, 20 years later, the guy is out. But, just for the USA citizens, it was a great action. For panamanians, the result was good, but unnecesary the action. The US goverment put the guy, they remove.
Was VERY necessary, for both countries, Panama was in horrible pain with Noriega. If you were old enough to remember, or maybe you were on his party's side, I will not ask. You are right that we put him there and we removed him. Like all over the world when all countries get in bed with eachother and then someone goes bad. It HAD to be done for safety of US and Panama citizens.
This week is the 20 year anniversary of "Operation Just Cause".I was a Junior in High School back then.
The next month of Jan.1990,I did a special report in History class on the new military weapons used in "OJC".These were the firearms that were just adopted by the U.S. military afew years earlier(early or mid 1980s).The 9mm M-9(better known as Beretta 92f)and the M-16a2(with 3 round burst instead of full-auto)that fires the new 62 gr 5.56mm Nato.
A friend I've known for only about 4 years was a veteran of "OJC".He was 20 years old when he was there(he's now 40).He was in the Airborne division and carried the M-249 SAW(5.56mm belt fed machinegun).
When his platoon parachuted down into this field,there were bunkers about 25 yards apart and appear empty(they were informed, Panamanian forces abandon).He was the last trooper to run across the field when enemy machinegun open fire on him.He jumped over the ripple of rounds infront of him.
As a panamanian who's first memory was actually the invasion and having studied the issue in depth I have a lot of mixed feelings about the invasion. I am sincerely happy that the terrible regime was destroyed. But The death of so many fellow panamanians is something I can't call a "price worth paying", it just isn't. Those deaths are the result of stupid drug and foreign policy by the Reagan and Bush administrations. Important is that Panama is finally free of such regimes and of the US.
It had to be done. I like how you said you have mixed feelings and can see all sides. That is very smart and it makes you nice to talk to (rather than ppl who yell at me). We did put Noriega there, this is true. And he turned on us so we had to get rid of him. It was so sad, so many lives being lost, on all sides. Trauma for the living. But it had to be done, imo. Thus I made the tribute video.
@lokuraydemencia tas seguro de lo que dices? osea de que estuvo en vergg lo estuvo pero eso de polisas de drogas y awevasones..man deverias de saber que eso es pura mentira... como puedes creer eso.
@SkyBlack420 estimado amigo, lo de las politicas anti-narcóticas de parte de los EE.UU. no es awebason. El gran problema de la época en la política doméstica estadounidense era de hecho el problema de las drogas. A mi humilde parecer, la forma como fue llevada esa política es lo que al fin y al cabo llevó a la muerte de todos esos panameños inocentes! Los hechos son difíciles de negar en este caso.
Wow this video brings back some good and bad memories!!!! PFC. John Price and I were in the same Co. and Plt. I went to Airborne School and R.I.P with him and on to 2nd RANGER bn... DAMN MEMORIES..RLTW
I am a former soldier in the Panamanian Defense Forces and was the day of the invasion on duty that day for my cone I saw another day of maneuver sim companions mourn But as I saw many girls and these were those who stayed in the service of Endara and his cabinet
Thank you for saying what you said to him. No reason to be sorry, what you said was right on. He was toxic and angry and provoking and that is not what this video is about. It is about tribute and thanks. I wish he could have talked reasonably, like many others who disagree but remain civil.
I was stationed in Panama from May 1986thru January 1999, before going to Kosovo, etc,etc,etc. Where in Panama were you stationed if at all? I was at JOTC, my brother-in-law was in the USMC base on the other side. Are you even a Veteran? I am, and I can prove it!
Are you talking to me or usckakzs? I had to block him. He was too hateful. I see you say "the other side" so makes me wonder if you knew Zonians! Did you attend school off base?
Becaue If you were really in panama you should know better. I guess that's it you SHOULD KNOW BETTER, and you don't and i guess it boggles my mind cause i don't see how can this be, specially comming from a person that lost one of their own to american fire but still estimates 300 civilian deaths it makes no logical sence at all ... anyways I supposed you are tired of defending your point of view...sorry we can't have a Convo because you no like what i say
I apologise for annoying you I guess, Hugo Espadafora, do you Know who he was? Who he really was? And i am listening I am listening attentivley because i want to understand you, i want to understand you'r way of seeng things, But you CARE NOT to apologise for being rude, hurtful and you care not to recognize you are wrong, you said 300 not 3000 was the estimate....by who? how estimated 300? and how can you belive that?
How many beers have you had? I apologized for being rude, I said 300 was just an estimate, I know who Spadafora was (you spelled his name wrong). And I said I really need for you to move along and try to learn this somewhere else. A tribute vid is not the place.
My Family is HuGE! and we all lived in panama all our lives... why don't you answer my questions? why don't you speak clearly of the opression you felt? i wanna know because i have never felt opression as you make it sound Opressed were the people of Chile, Argenntina, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Spain, Italy, Most african countries, with true dictators, True Opression. River I need answers from you
K you were 32 so you were how old when I was almost raped? You might need answers from me but I dont need to give them to you since you are not listening. Noriega was a TRUE dictator believe me. If you do not know that you have no hope. I am sorry for being rude, I am just tired of the convo.
River, The Zone was always ocupied by military, weather you noticed or not living inside the zone. Being a panamenian I KNOW for a FACT that to go In to the Zone you HAD to encounter Military one way or another, I Need YOU to tell me what opression are you talking about, Mass murders? Segregations? Genoside? Property being taken away? Education being denied? any of these happened? that you know of?
Military was inside the zone but the zone was not military. Zone had their own police, civilians. How old are you? If you are old enough you will recall the bad days of guardia. Huga Spadafora mean anything to you? Anyway, take care usually means end of convo. I dont know what else to say to you. I am 42 and have seen alot.
Military was inside the zone but the zone was not military. Zone had their own police, civilians. How old are you? If you are old enough you will recall the bad days of guardia. Huga Spadafora mean anything to you? Anyway, take care usually means end of convo. I dont know what else to say to you. I am 42 and have seen alot.
The Panama Canal Zone was a military zone from the time panama was panama, and I do not know what opression you are talking about because i had a great time in panama i could walk anywere and not be afraid my family had food in their homes we went to the beach all the time.. As far as I know the Zone was only civilian cuando eran revertidas.... Civilian americans in the Zone that was also Civilian? LOL
The Zone was never military. Maybe your family did not live during Noriega's times, or maybe you were lucky. Talk to some of the older folks. Anyway, please take care, and enjoy the new park off Ave Balboa, I hear it is great!
You make it sound as tho less than 100 panamenians died and people who says otherwise.well we just don't know if it's true, you much rather belive it was less than 1000 people it's funny cause you show how paitilla was hit..but why was the rich neighborhood hit? i mean people were sleeping, el chorrillo burned down! i saw how San Migelito burned that night... more than 300 people lived in ONE block of El Chorrillo. Or not? look at your Own Pictures. Devastation. 300? are you sure?
Patillia was a disaster, esp for US navy seals, I think you mean Chorillo? No, not less than 100. As in any war civilians died, my dear friend did at hands of US, as mistake. Teacher did at hands of guardia, so did friend's dad, I find it interesting you are not mentioning guardia.
What Guardia? the puny military we used to have? what about them. they died , ran, hid, my uncle was working with the us military to hunt down bad gardia but at the same time us military didn't care if they were really bad or not they would tourture them the same, that is when he told my aunt to hide at my grandma's because they wanted to torture her, but they didn't know they were related. Guardia Were HEROES they were defending their country, what would you have them do?
I felt no oppression IN the zone, but as I told you, we spent a great deal of time out of it, I also worked outside the zone, and NO MILITARY was involved with the zone, you are allowed your thoughts on that, but they are dead wrong. We hated military until this war and now i honor them with no excuse or explanation.
ok soo what opression DID you feel? and How is it posible that no military was involved in the ZONE, WHAT are you talking about? so the soldiers just showed up on Dec.20 at 12:00 am? i mean the way you say this makes me think you are liying... cause if you were really there, you would never dispute this fact.. ???? I'm confused i'm starting to really think something is really wrong with you.
I think we have a confusion on timeframes. The Zone was civilian, military bases were allowed there but we had nothing to do with eachother and we were not military in any form or fashion. The zonen ended in 1979. You know good and well what it was like under Noriega, outside of 1979, and guardia before that and during. Please be polite and kind, because this is the behavior that gets ppl banned.
The reason of my anger is your denial of panamenian deaths you say it was less than 1000 and that i should trust you...why should i trust you? who are you to make such a statement? and you lookes at both sides? how did you do your research? I need to understand because if you where really there i don't understand how you can make such a statement..i just don't understand. also where where you on 911?
If you watch you will see I say no one knows for sure of death numbers, I do trust the word of a priest. I would like to do one about civilian bravery NOT guardia never guardia. 9/11 has nothing to do with this. How old were you? I ask not to make fun of you. I was 21. You have the right to anger, we all have the right to our feelings. I honor the US military, as a whole, though some things were not done right. You have a right to disagree, it is part of respect for eachother.
NO you say DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK. that is what you say, what is that suppose to mean, so you claim to be apanamenian, that honors the american military...so you did go to school there,,, En Colon...not the best place to be from if you are from Panama is a nasty rugged place and what did your dad teach? and 911 was a traggedy a HUGE loss for the american people and i feel that if you were an american maybe you could identify with that kind of pain, if someone said only 100 died there.
Yes on who you ask, you are right. I was zonian, but not like other zonians, my dad made sure of that, he said you live in this country as respect and you ARE of this country in respect. He taught 6th grade. Colon, as I said we moved, I was 4. I'll never go back to Colon. 9/11 had nothing to do with Panama.
You make no sensce, you can't live in the ZONE and not have military ties of any kind. What game are you playing river? And There is nathing patriotic or heroic about INVASION of a country Any country. you just do not get it. and i still don not understand where you are comming from because it makes no sence to me zonian but not like others? You were either a a child of the Zone or you werent, there is no half way.
The zone was NOT military in ANY manner. What I meant is that many zonians never left the zone but my dad made sure I was not like that, was always taken away to Panama to Interior, to all places and NOT be zonian alone. I don't know any other way to explain.
You are saying thet the Panama Canal Zone was NOT military in ANY manner? i'm not sure we are talking about the same Zone, because as far as i know the panama canal zone was a military area, were ever you looked in zone designated area you saw military, always, Panama was one of the bigest and important military bases in latin merica. are you telling me you didn't know that?
Yes on who you ask, you are right. I was zonian, but not like other zonians, my dad made sure of that, he said you live in this country as respect and you ARE of this country in respect. He taught 6th grade. Colon, as I said we moved, I was 4. I'll never go back to Colon. 9/11 had nothing to do with Panama.
ANd i'm not comparing to being ALMOST...it was a violation, weather you like it or not, and you said you were born in panama? but then you imply that you were there as a military child??? soooo wich one is it? and wHere where you? did you see the mass graves that were discovered after the americans retreated to the zone? cause people couldn't find their family members? and what do you know about panama relations with the USA? if you were really a panamenian you woldn't have posted that satetmen
Well EEXXcusee me for calling you Lady, i did not know i was being disrespectfull.
River... no military ties in any way...what were your circumstances in Panama? Did you go to school there? i need to understand where you are comming from i need to understand how this clip is possible and yes i have noticed you like to bann people who don't agree with you or challenge you. I suppose it feeds into the whole american side of you, it gives you Power over others opinions.
Riv is good. I was born and reared in Panama, civilian, Colon, then moved to Pacific side, my dad was a teacher. I ban people who are cursing or rude. If you are neither, then we'll talk.
Also Just being in combat does not make you a hero. I feel sorry all these american lives were lost unnecesarily, there was nothing patriotic about the invation to Panama, nothing Heroic about what they did, they did their Job and i respect them for that but they are not heroes, not this time.
I disagree but am glad you respect them for doing their jobs. I respect those Guardia who were good guys and also did their jobs. I do not respect the corrupt ones, which were the majority.
Lady.. Drug traffic has everything to do with the USA. No one has said don't mourn your soldiers, but to imply that only about a thousand panamenian lives were lost is insulting, depending on who you ask? How about a Taliban supporter posted that only about 100 lives where lost on 911? depending on who you ask.. if you were relly there like you said, then you wouldnt have posted that statment
I AM NOT "Lady" be respectful, I am River, k? How old were you when this happened? As in any war there will be propaganda on both sides. I looked at both and decided the truth. I am not an outsider, nor military on either side. It was not more than a 1000 trust me.
HELLO RIVER I see your still taking heat let me see if I can shed some light on a few things. Not only am I now a Born again christian" but a pastor. Belo whatever ive done to make you hate me I hope you can forgive me. I was scared the whole time i was there and have had to live with the fact that i took another human life. I dont ask for pity but just understanding. we were given a mission and yes we did it but please somewhere lets end the hate. ive had enough of it.
Ok white girl, so you are an expert i take it, and exactly where were you/ and the heavy fire! took about 24 hours! wich is what i ment, the whole thing took for ever! if you really think about it! where you THERE? WHERE YOU? AND
Racial slurs are not necessary and there are white Panamanians though not necessarily liked by everyone. Right, it took forever and not 24 hrs only. We agree on that. I lived in Los Rios, after Ancon. Where did you live? Also, I like to talk peacefully.
In a war there are always innocents who die and it is very sad. But blame Noriega. I am not sure of your age, but I was old enough to live through his regime and it was many innocents that he tortured and killed. He had to be removed.
What are you talking about! what is your age? I LIVED THERE, I WAS THERE 300? DEPENDENDIND ON WHO YOU ASK? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU ARE BY FAR THE STUPIDETS BITCH I HAVE EVER COME ACCROSS ON THE WEB, AND THAT IS ALOT. YOU KNOW NOTHING! THERE IS NO WAY EL DENI TOOK ANYONE BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING LASTED ABOUT 24 HOURS, AND THEN IT WAS JUST KEEPING US IN CHECK UNTILL THE 4TH OR 5TH DAY THE AREA OF THE DENI WAS DESTROYED AND SECRET DENI OFFICE? ARE YOU STUPID?
Belo, I am not stupid, I lived there too, born & reared there, I am 42 yrs & not connected to military in any manner. If you are as you say, then you know well of DENI, Guardia (before they were PDF), and Dig Bat, in specific detail, unless you are of Noriega's allegience and deny. I never stated DENI took anyone during the engagement, but Guardia did. Also, 24 hrs was not the whole thing, although the US media said it was. If you are as you say, you and I both know it lasted much longer.
The Seventh Infantry Division lost a total of four guys during "Just Cause". I'm not sure why the last two are never mentioned. The last one was SPC Douglas J. Duff. He died on 1 Jan 90 from an accidental discharge at the panama canal comission. He was 19 years old and an active participant of the invasion. He was one of the guys that secured Corundu in Panama City. I know because I was there with him during Just Cause.
Astemsrud, Curundu? No way? My very closest friends were there and I had no phone line to them and I was screaming into the phone. I got the names from a military site, and as much as I love our military, they do often get some things wrong. SPC Duff will now be remembered each time I go to Curundu. How did he die in 90 we were gone? You will also be remembered. Curundu is a hard place now, it used to be nice, but now is rough. I go though, and will recall you and Duff. Thank you both.
The operation was one month long. Dec 89-Jan 90. He died on New Years Day. By then all of the attention was diverted to the revolution in Romania. We still encountered some (Not much) sniper fire for the days to come and we had a drive by shooting at one of our guard posts located at a warehouse we were staying in. The drive by hit some rich chinese guy's Porsche. The car alarm went off which added to the drama.
It was horrible what happened to the people there. Absolutely horrific. Noriega did say he would take Chorrillo with him, if it came down to it. The priest said the Dig. Battalions did it, though. I have a problem doubting the word of a man of the Church, a man of Jesus.
Shut up you fucking sellout i hate people like you! disque panamenos! i hate you, you should have made a more forcefull coment about the attrocity of this video,
CHUPAMEDIA! i am an american, and i love this country but when we are wrong we are wrong.
malditos gringos siempre los odiare , atacando con su mayor tecnologia a un pais no tan fuerte como panama , recuerdo que antes de nacer ( cuando estaba mi hermano mayor bebe) , mi familia tuvo 1 semana que no podia salir de su casa y tuvimos que compartir la comida con nuestros vecinos
I have tried to keep foul language away, for only giving tribute to the ones in this video, but I know it will not work. Please understand that I give full respect to anyone of any view. I do not give respect to foul language.
I dunno about BMW, I never saw anyone that rich. We were just ordinary folks. Chorillio, I take the word of God over a man. You know what I mean, in his office. I know you do.
River Birch i wanted to say thank you for this video i was there from the initial recon on through and you told alot of truths. believe it or not i am actually in one of the pictures. no body wants to be in war but sometimes it has to be. at least with OJC we were given an objective and once it was complete we were gone...So to all my Service brothers and sisters who will read this GOD bless you and keep you safe. I was an airborn MP Again GOD bless you all..........AIRBORN OOOOORAH
eh1way, ooorah to YOU. And your buddies, your officers. We didn't know anything except how it applied to us. Which was... freedom. I could walk to the store! Without being threatened! You said "brothers AND sisters" which is alot to me, as a studier of female combat history. How did you feel of the women in combat there? (you can answer private if you want). But thank you, I know you were under orders and not in knowledge of living there, but each order did something good for us.
mY HUSBAND IS AN AIRBORNE.... ARE YOU SURE SHE TOLD THE TRUTH? what do you know what the truth is? you follow orders and shoot to kill, you don't give a shit about the truth. truth is your job makes you a murderer...that is truth.
I am from Panama and although I regret that the invasion took place, I also recognize that it was necessary. There were losses on both sides but the result is a country with freedom and democracy.
Chumpson, thank you for saying this. You have no idea how much it means to me. I did not put in my video much except text, to show my feelings, but ppl jumped me. I need to make a 2nd one about the ppl of Panama (never Guardia/PDF, my anger is too much) and how ppl recovered as well as they could. Like you, I regret the invastion took place. So much pain and suffering. But Panama is what SHE is today, because of a change in policy. Panama is a shining jewel. With Noriega, it was all pain.
FOR WHO BITCH! THe rich? the people in power? or the ones that wanted the power the oligarchy? for who? huh? My beutifull country is nothing, NOTHING! like how it was, it is more corrupt and dirty and full of drugs and crime! what the hell? did we grew up in the same place?
Belo, drug crime now is because Noriega cannot funnel it, so it is scattered. Nothing to do with US. I am very sorry that you and I could not speak reasonably, it sounds like you and I could have much to discuss. Unfortunately you have had several chances to be nice and did not, so you are blocked. I would have been willing to talk.
WOW!!!!! dude! what fuck ? did you see? 300 hundred depending on who you ask? donde esta tu patriotismo! como es posible que esto sea todo lo que tienes que commentar en este video! pudrete falso panameno!
experiensia have seen it in the field of military i participate in the invasion perhaps laugh so we will comment when I caught in the ares of us take amador Rodman wing base and we took their clothes and took us to mind previous polygon new emperor did not stretch into service at the base of Rodman is a joke
hello and I followed your comments and Panamanian belonged ff dd LDCs today I am retired from all that I am living a more civil between the amount but I remember that moment of the invasion as if it were yesterday, today was for 20 years of service estube I died the day of the invasion, I would like to have a friendly meeting and exchange views about the invasion and our military, or if you were or still is involved in the invasion
The Panamanian people were very good to us. After Noriega gave up, we stayed in Colon for a little while, and the people there, invited in there homes, to there parties(cook outs) it was a good time. We stayed in a school next to a airport(forget the city) the people there were very nice also.
34 civilians? thats what the media tells you. no infact thats what the media told us. who knows maybe their telling the truth, they probably didn't count the graves.
My mother could've have been killed. she was in San Miguel when those dogs came. the neighbors house was up in flames, she told me if it wasn't for her friend who knew a little english, then a US soldier would have shot her and my uncle. US troops, do what you gotta do cuz i know some of you act out when the big man hands you a gun. but try and shoot the enemy next time....next time.
Alex, it was awful for the civilians. I hoped that showing I lived there, it would show something of my feelings. "DOGS" could be Guardia, too, the trucks, the blue water spray, everything they did wrong. I lived in this. Did you? I must say that I honor the US troops but also honor the Panamanian civilians. I also lost a dear one, just driving in the wrong place at the wrong time, from a party. You mean San Migelito, right? Bad times, very bad times. I honor all.
The picture of the 7th ID at the comindencia makes me laugh. I was in the 1/508 and we took it. Then every other unit showed up and took pictures as if they had done the deed. RIP Troy and Mike
khensley1966 5 months ago
@khensley1966 That's funny! Everyone wanted to be a part of it. Did you mind? And RIP Troy and Mike, with the greatest respect.
RiverBirch1967 3 months ago
@khensley1966 Its funny because I thought the US Army took it not you. Being in the 7th I'm sure we are not saying we took that one part of the invasion, I'm sure they just wanted there picture taken there. In the 7th we believe in teamwork, we did not mean to hurt your ego.
motogpfan46 4 weeks ago
@motogpfan46 Let me ask you how you would feel. You and your buddies spend all night fighting to take the headquarters of the enemy with some of your best friends being killed. Not to mention the number injured. Then the next morning when the dust settles other soldiers show up and start posing to get their pictures taken next to the very place your best friend died to capture. Be honest how would you feel.
khensley1966 4 weeks ago
@motogpfan46 Look at 3:01 on the video. This is what I'm talking about. It's not about ego, it's about Respect.
khensley1966 4 weeks ago
Unlike freedomisfromtruth...which should actually be farfromtruth...I was sent down to Panama for Just Cause with the 9th Regiment 7th Infantry Division. All foreign policy blunders aside, Noriega was not a nice guy. He really didn't want to give up power. And once we broke the back of his "military"which were really no better than a well armed group of thugs, things were pretty quiet. I did meet a lot of very thankful people, and it is a gorgeous country.
Hackworth6 5 months ago
@Hackworth6 Agreed on all things!
RiverBirch1967 3 months ago
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ANAHEIM8 7 months ago
Video from military is equal to Hitlers video on his operations. Noriega was a CIA paid informant, and as usual by US standards sponsored him to overthrow a democratic government . Bush, head of CIA, ordered cover up of his drug operations, until it was convenient to publicize it. What was Noriega about to reveal when Bush ordered an illegal invasion. Only people hurt were civilians massacred and thrown in graves. Great job Bush, he must have no kharma at all. Drug traffic actually increased.
freedomisfromtruth 8 months ago
@freedomisfromtruth I'm not military. I"m a civilian who lived under that regime. This video is obviously not for you, so move along.
RiverBirch1967 8 months ago
@RiverBirch1967 What regime, his son, GW
freedomisfromtruth 8 months ago
@freedomisfromtruth Um.... Noriega? That's what the video is about, in case you haven't watch it.
RiverBirch1967 8 months ago
RENE COBOS ES EL MARSHALL QUE FUE POR PARTE DEL JUEZ FEDERAL A RETIRAR A NORIEGA CUANDO FUE CAPTURADO EN LA INVASIO, 6 AÑOS DESPUES RENE COBOS FUE DETENIDO POR LAVADO DE DINERO SIENDO MIEMBRO DE LA D.E.A.
TOTOLECO1 9 months ago
RENE COBOS AHI ESTA PRESO TAMBIEN EN USA JAJAJA
TOTOLECO1 9 months ago
@TOTOLECO1 Who is Rene Cobos?
RiverBirch1967 9 months ago
noriega declared war on u.s.
65jackstraw95 10 months ago
@65jackstraw95 Yes he did declare war on us. So it was valid to retaliate.
RiverBirch1967 9 months ago
Panamanian snipers alone took close to 23 targets... US Southern Comand had to hire snipers from canada to solve the problem. Lucky for me, I was given a layoff form the PDF. And i heard some of my friends telling me how some officers (friends of mine) were made statistics. I did not share their view regarding Noriega, thats why!! i was laid off!!! I'm sure some of the american officers share my feeling here. We did tried to do it ourself in october 89; but us did not come to pick him up.
jr9098 1 year ago
@jr9098 I was absolutely horrified and humiliated when the U.S. backed out of that coup support. It was a hideous thing to do and many good men suffered torture and murder for it. I was ashamed.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
I felt really sad when I saw some of this footage... that is being use to glorofy the entire US arm forces... some of these guys used to train together at what the called "maniobras conjuntas" inside Darien's jungle. I myself went to school of the Americas and took courses together with us troops. And look a few years after that we were shooting each other.
If the politicians at least a day in the trench, perhaps they will understand what is to be soldier...
The US casualties count is off.....
jr9098 1 year ago
@jr9098 It is always sad when people shoot at eachother. I support and honor the U.S. troops who fought in Panama, but I know there were also some good guys on the other side. It is sad how things turn out, yes. And the School of the Americas was no small thing... so congratulations on going there!
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
Panamas worst nightmare... Thanks to US TROOPS...
This video sucks... anyways... its over Thank God =)
CaptMoo 1 year ago
amador fue el ultimo cuartel que preste servicio y fue el 19 y 20 de diciembre de ano 1989
cholo5ta 1 year ago
amador fue el ultimo cuartel que preste servicio y fue el 10 y 20 de dicimnbre de ano 1989
cholo5ta 1 year ago
today a day like today 21 years that an invasion step in panama yi really is sad to remember comrades who died together We had the invasion and some simpre tendre qe me in mind I am sobreiviente of invasion by then I was only 21 years and serving DEFENSE forces today to see the video that I'm sad to remember these events
cholo5ta 1 year ago
@cholo5ta 21 years is so very young to be have been in battle, on either side. I see you are a good man and not like Guardia I knew. It is sad to lose any life at all, for anyone in battle, and any civilian casualties. As you know, my allegience is with the US military. However, this does not, in any way, belittle the battle scars in Guardia/PDF. I wish you well.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
@RiverBirch1967 What I inflated the pancreas and liver pisses me off is the amount of lies that the government says Yankee. When they were in the Canal Zone many as fuck us army tried to Panamanians, when I remove the channel Torrijos look how? The general died mysteriously. Noriega, Noriega was the CIA but they went out of control and no longer respected USA and the number of Panamanians who died and the invasion because they say the truth, such is the shame they have to lie!
CEFE26 1 year ago
Why is the soldier at 1:16 wearing a steel helmet?
360Nomad 1 year ago
@360Nomad Good catch!
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
@RiverBirch1967 Is not steel. An is not a Soldier
CalleUnion 1 year ago
@360Nomad Hes in the navy and the Navy used steel helmets up to the early 90s even in the gulf war some had them. The kevlar started use in the early to mid 80s so all branches did not get it till the 90s
chug26 1 year ago
@360Nomad I saw steel pots in use there during the invasion with the USAF and USN guys.
artweaker69 1 year ago
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artweaker69 1 year ago
@artweaker69 You were in Just Cause?
360Nomad 1 year ago
@360Nomad
Yes, 3rd Plt D Co. 4/6 IR 5th ID.
artweaker69 1 year ago
Some of those pictures brought back a lot of memories.
C 3/75 OJC
abnhawk 1 year ago
@abnhawk Thank you for serving our country!
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
i dont understand why this video is patronising the dead u.s soldiers where there was over 4 thousand dead panamain civilians...
vibes84 1 year ago
@vibes84 That number is way overblown. No way were that many killed. Maybe you are too young to know this and have listened to folk tales. However, many were killed, yes, as in any war, civilians of both sides were killed, including several US citizens that were civilians.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
@RiverBirch1967 believe me it was more than 4000 people, whose bodies were burn and buried for nobody to find them this wasn't the way to capture noriega, it just wasn't right :( I give you an invitation to El Chorrillo, to see your people legacy to the 4000 and more panamanians who loss their life 1989 Q.D.E.P. Panamá Soberana
Prohibido Olvidar
Canalero09 1 year ago
@Canalero09 How old are you, 28? That explains alot.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago 2
@Canalero09 ?? I dont understand? because Im younger than you, I dont have the right to express my opinion? Im just saying the facts that were collected after the invasion, anyways any life is valuable, sadly it sometimes seems that americans lifes are more valuable than panamanians :( we are all human beings that were put on this earth with the same rights.
Canalero09 11 months ago
You are welcome.. :) I'm wanting to know details... See I know alot about what happened... But I dont know everything.. Lol But I wanna know about the invasion??.... And if you dont mind me asking, how did you get these photos?
MsMirandab 1 year ago
@MsMirandab I got the photos off the internet.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
No sir, that's not what I meant.. I meant when we captured Manuel Noriega?? But please know, I wasnt asking the question trying to be a smart mouth.. Im just doing some research on the event and wanted to know what really happened?? I apologize if I offened you..
MsMirandab 1 year ago
@MsMirandab Thank you for being so nice. You have not offended me (and I'm a girl (smile)). When we captured Noriega, that was the only invasion and the one this video is about. Noriega's was a horrible rule to live under.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
I have a question.... Are there any soldiers, who have left comments, that were actually there during the very "FIRST" invasion?
MsMirandab 1 year ago
@MsMirandab If you mean when Panama wanted to break away from Columbia, obviously not.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
I feel sorry for all of YOU...
SkyBlack420 1 year ago
you have a lot of blocks on.... i wonder why.
SkyBlack420 1 year ago
@SkyBlack420 My blocks are on for people that could not discuss it rationally and politely.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
Wow i feel Offended and raped allover again.....
SkyBlack420 1 year ago
Correction: Sgt. Deblois and Pvt. Coats were not part of the 82nd but were assigned to C co 1/508th PIR stationed in Panama
mmparker1969 1 year ago
@mmparker1969 Thank you for this correction. I got the info from a military website and have been told a couple were wrong. Thanks again. They were both heroes to me.
RiverBirch1967 1 year ago
@RiverBirch1967
i'm sorry mam but you video has made me feel raped and abused allover again. i tryed sending you a private message but you have a lot of blocks on i suppose is beacuse this video is so offensive. ii wanted to share this video with you but i refuse to be your "friend" have a nice life cause you'r going to hell
SkyBlack420 1 year ago
Funny how some really good memories come from really bad times...3/27 (7th I.D.) had just done a deployment to Camp Pendleton for 2 weeks, got back, cleaned gear and bam! Blue Bayonet - we're off again. Got about 3 hours sleep over 6 day period to get ready and deploy. Trigger happy Lieutenant almost lit me up the first night in country!
martel732 2 years ago
Thanks for the video. Brought back some good and some bad memories-mostly good-the bad tend to get supressed. I was in the Air Force and sent there for the invasion. I was communications based out of Howard AFB. To my son, it's ancient history, to me, it was just yesterday. Glad Panama is prosperous today. After Panama, the humidity of the deep south never bothered me again-haha. Most people forget about this invasion, just like they forget about Grenada.
hiplains2 2 years ago
so,is operation just cause about the drug war?
rshandty 2 years ago
No, it was when we went in to get Manual Noriega and remove him from power.
hiplains2 2 years ago
Thank you for your words, hiplains2. You did something very important in Panama during those days. The good is still felt there today, in the prospering new economy.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Was unnecesary. The true is that USA had other ways to get the same result. Anyway, 20 years later, the guy is out. But, just for the USA citizens, it was a great action. For panamanians, the result was good, but unnecesary the action. The US goverment put the guy, they remove.
airport7corp 2 years ago
Was VERY necessary, for both countries, Panama was in horrible pain with Noriega. If you were old enough to remember, or maybe you were on his party's side, I will not ask. You are right that we put him there and we removed him. Like all over the world when all countries get in bed with eachother and then someone goes bad. It HAD to be done for safety of US and Panama citizens.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
This week is the 20 year anniversary of "Operation Just Cause".I was a Junior in High School back then.
The next month of Jan.1990,I did a special report in History class on the new military weapons used in "OJC".These were the firearms that were just adopted by the U.S. military afew years earlier(early or mid 1980s).The 9mm M-9(better known as Beretta 92f)and the M-16a2(with 3 round burst instead of full-auto)that fires the new 62 gr 5.56mm Nato.
TheXtro101 2 years ago
Xtro, I am impressed on your knowledge of weapons. I sure don't know about any of them!
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
A friend I've known for only about 4 years was a veteran of "OJC".He was 20 years old when he was there(he's now 40).He was in the Airborne division and carried the M-249 SAW(5.56mm belt fed machinegun).
When his platoon parachuted down into this field,there were bunkers about 25 yards apart and appear empty(they were informed, Panamanian forces abandon).He was the last trooper to run across the field when enemy machinegun open fire on him.He jumped over the ripple of rounds infront of him.
TheXtro101 2 years ago
OMY he went through hell. I am assuming this was Rio Hato.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
I am proud of what was accomplished. Yes lives were lost but hopefully we made a difference. Airborne
1mustardstain 2 years ago
Mustardstain.... AMEN!!!! And you made a HUGE difference.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
As a panamanian who's first memory was actually the invasion and having studied the issue in depth I have a lot of mixed feelings about the invasion. I am sincerely happy that the terrible regime was destroyed. But The death of so many fellow panamanians is something I can't call a "price worth paying", it just isn't. Those deaths are the result of stupid drug and foreign policy by the Reagan and Bush administrations. Important is that Panama is finally free of such regimes and of the US.
lokuraydemencia 2 years ago 7
It had to be done. I like how you said you have mixed feelings and can see all sides. That is very smart and it makes you nice to talk to (rather than ppl who yell at me). We did put Noriega there, this is true. And he turned on us so we had to get rid of him. It was so sad, so many lives being lost, on all sides. Trauma for the living. But it had to be done, imo. Thus I made the tribute video.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
@RiverBirch1967
OMG! really....? oh so since you lost control of the puppet people had to die...is that what you are saying?
SkyBlack420 1 year ago
@lokuraydemencia tas seguro de lo que dices? osea de que estuvo en vergg lo estuvo pero eso de polisas de drogas y awevasones..man deverias de saber que eso es pura mentira... como puedes creer eso.
SkyBlack420 1 year ago
@SkyBlack420 estimado amigo, lo de las politicas anti-narcóticas de parte de los EE.UU. no es awebason. El gran problema de la época en la política doméstica estadounidense era de hecho el problema de las drogas. A mi humilde parecer, la forma como fue llevada esa política es lo que al fin y al cabo llevó a la muerte de todos esos panameños inocentes! Los hechos son difíciles de negar en este caso.
lokuraydemencia 1 year ago
Wow this video brings back some good and bad memories!!!! PFC. John Price and I were in the same Co. and Plt. I went to Airborne School and R.I.P with him and on to 2nd RANGER bn... DAMN MEMORIES..RLTW
AIRBORNEKMCQUITERY 2 years ago
Good and bad, more bad, I am sure. I am glad you served your country for us.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I am a former soldier in the Panamanian Defense Forces and was the day of the invasion on duty that day for my cone I saw another day of maneuver sim companions mourn But as I saw many girls and these were those who stayed in the service of Endara and his cabinet
cholo5ta 2 years ago
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cholo5ta 2 years ago
my dad flew black hawks there. its cool to learn about a war a family member was in
bacdee 2 years ago
Please thank your father for me!
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Yes, I was. Sorry River.
FrickenhausenRocks 2 years ago
Thank you for saying what you said to him. No reason to be sorry, what you said was right on. He was toxic and angry and provoking and that is not what this video is about. It is about tribute and thanks. I wish he could have talked reasonably, like many others who disagree but remain civil.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
I was stationed in Panama from May 1986thru January 1999, before going to Kosovo, etc,etc,etc. Where in Panama were you stationed if at all? I was at JOTC, my brother-in-law was in the USMC base on the other side. Are you even a Veteran? I am, and I can prove it!
FrickenhausenRocks 2 years ago
Are you talking to me or usckakzs? I had to block him. He was too hateful. I see you say "the other side" so makes me wonder if you knew Zonians! Did you attend school off base?
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
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usckazs 2 years ago
Becaue If you were really in panama you should know better. I guess that's it you SHOULD KNOW BETTER, and you don't and i guess it boggles my mind cause i don't see how can this be, specially comming from a person that lost one of their own to american fire but still estimates 300 civilian deaths it makes no logical sence at all ... anyways I supposed you are tired of defending your point of view...sorry we can't have a Convo because you no like what i say
usckazs 2 years ago
No I was never in Panama, I lied about the whole thing. Just to tick you off personally.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
I apologise for annoying you I guess, Hugo Espadafora, do you Know who he was? Who he really was? And i am listening I am listening attentivley because i want to understand you, i want to understand you'r way of seeng things, But you CARE NOT to apologise for being rude, hurtful and you care not to recognize you are wrong, you said 300 not 3000 was the estimate....by who? how estimated 300? and how can you belive that?
usckazs 2 years ago
How many beers have you had? I apologized for being rude, I said 300 was just an estimate, I know who Spadafora was (you spelled his name wrong). And I said I really need for you to move along and try to learn this somewhere else. A tribute vid is not the place.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
My Family is HuGE! and we all lived in panama all our lives... why don't you answer my questions? why don't you speak clearly of the opression you felt? i wanna know because i have never felt opression as you make it sound Opressed were the people of Chile, Argenntina, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Spain, Italy, Most african countries, with true dictators, True Opression. River I need answers from you
usckazs 2 years ago
K you were 32 so you were how old when I was almost raped? You might need answers from me but I dont need to give them to you since you are not listening. Noriega was a TRUE dictator believe me. If you do not know that you have no hope. I am sorry for being rude, I am just tired of the convo.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
River, The Zone was always ocupied by military, weather you noticed or not living inside the zone. Being a panamenian I KNOW for a FACT that to go In to the Zone you HAD to encounter Military one way or another, I Need YOU to tell me what opression are you talking about, Mass murders? Segregations? Genoside? Property being taken away? Education being denied? any of these happened? that you know of?
usckazs 2 years ago
Military was inside the zone but the zone was not military. Zone had their own police, civilians. How old are you? If you are old enough you will recall the bad days of guardia. Huga Spadafora mean anything to you? Anyway, take care usually means end of convo. I dont know what else to say to you. I am 42 and have seen alot.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Military was inside the zone but the zone was not military. Zone had their own police, civilians. How old are you? If you are old enough you will recall the bad days of guardia. Huga Spadafora mean anything to you? Anyway, take care usually means end of convo. I dont know what else to say to you. I am 42 and have seen alot.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
The Panama Canal Zone was a military zone from the time panama was panama, and I do not know what opression you are talking about because i had a great time in panama i could walk anywere and not be afraid my family had food in their homes we went to the beach all the time.. As far as I know the Zone was only civilian cuando eran revertidas.... Civilian americans in the Zone that was also Civilian? LOL
usckazs 2 years ago
The Zone was never military. Maybe your family did not live during Noriega's times, or maybe you were lucky. Talk to some of the older folks. Anyway, please take care, and enjoy the new park off Ave Balboa, I hear it is great!
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
You make it sound as tho less than 100 panamenians died and people who says otherwise.well we just don't know if it's true, you much rather belive it was less than 1000 people it's funny cause you show how paitilla was hit..but why was the rich neighborhood hit? i mean people were sleeping, el chorrillo burned down! i saw how San Migelito burned that night... more than 300 people lived in ONE block of El Chorrillo. Or not? look at your Own Pictures. Devastation. 300? are you sure?
usckazs 2 years ago
Patillia was a disaster, esp for US navy seals, I think you mean Chorillo? No, not less than 100. As in any war civilians died, my dear friend did at hands of US, as mistake. Teacher did at hands of guardia, so did friend's dad, I find it interesting you are not mentioning guardia.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
What Guardia? the puny military we used to have? what about them. they died , ran, hid, my uncle was working with the us military to hunt down bad gardia but at the same time us military didn't care if they were really bad or not they would tourture them the same, that is when he told my aunt to hide at my grandma's because they wanted to torture her, but they didn't know they were related. Guardia Were HEROES they were defending their country, what would you have them do?
usckazs 2 years ago
Most guardia were crooked, in my generation. They were NOT puny, they were men who KNEW what they were about, well trained and deadly.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
I meant In numbers... I know they were trained and stuff, i meant compared to US military Forces!? k?!
usckazs 2 years ago
In numbers, you are right, yes, I also think the US underestimated their fighting skill.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
I felt no oppression IN the zone, but as I told you, we spent a great deal of time out of it, I also worked outside the zone, and NO MILITARY was involved with the zone, you are allowed your thoughts on that, but they are dead wrong. We hated military until this war and now i honor them with no excuse or explanation.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
ok soo what opression DID you feel? and How is it posible that no military was involved in the ZONE, WHAT are you talking about? so the soldiers just showed up on Dec.20 at 12:00 am? i mean the way you say this makes me think you are liying... cause if you were really there, you would never dispute this fact.. ???? I'm confused i'm starting to really think something is really wrong with you.
usckazs 2 years ago
I think we have a confusion on timeframes. The Zone was civilian, military bases were allowed there but we had nothing to do with eachother and we were not military in any form or fashion. The zonen ended in 1979. You know good and well what it was like under Noriega, outside of 1979, and guardia before that and during. Please be polite and kind, because this is the behavior that gets ppl banned.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
The reason of my anger is your denial of panamenian deaths you say it was less than 1000 and that i should trust you...why should i trust you? who are you to make such a statement? and you lookes at both sides? how did you do your research? I need to understand because if you where really there i don't understand how you can make such a statement..i just don't understand. also where where you on 911?
usckazs 2 years ago
If you watch you will see I say no one knows for sure of death numbers, I do trust the word of a priest. I would like to do one about civilian bravery NOT guardia never guardia. 9/11 has nothing to do with this. How old were you? I ask not to make fun of you. I was 21. You have the right to anger, we all have the right to our feelings. I honor the US military, as a whole, though some things were not done right. You have a right to disagree, it is part of respect for eachother.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
NO you say DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK. that is what you say, what is that suppose to mean, so you claim to be apanamenian, that honors the american military...so you did go to school there,,, En Colon...not the best place to be from if you are from Panama is a nasty rugged place and what did your dad teach? and 911 was a traggedy a HUGE loss for the american people and i feel that if you were an american maybe you could identify with that kind of pain, if someone said only 100 died there.
usckazs 2 years ago
Yes on who you ask, you are right. I was zonian, but not like other zonians, my dad made sure of that, he said you live in this country as respect and you ARE of this country in respect. He taught 6th grade. Colon, as I said we moved, I was 4. I'll never go back to Colon. 9/11 had nothing to do with Panama.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
You make no sensce, you can't live in the ZONE and not have military ties of any kind. What game are you playing river? And There is nathing patriotic or heroic about INVASION of a country Any country. you just do not get it. and i still don not understand where you are comming from because it makes no sence to me zonian but not like others? You were either a a child of the Zone or you werent, there is no half way.
usckazs 2 years ago
The zone was NOT military in ANY manner. What I meant is that many zonians never left the zone but my dad made sure I was not like that, was always taken away to Panama to Interior, to all places and NOT be zonian alone. I don't know any other way to explain.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
You are saying thet the Panama Canal Zone was NOT military in ANY manner? i'm not sure we are talking about the same Zone, because as far as i know the panama canal zone was a military area, were ever you looked in zone designated area you saw military, always, Panama was one of the bigest and important military bases in latin merica. are you telling me you didn't know that?
usckazs 2 years ago
Yes on who you ask, you are right. I was zonian, but not like other zonians, my dad made sure of that, he said you live in this country as respect and you ARE of this country in respect. He taught 6th grade. Colon, as I said we moved, I was 4. I'll never go back to Colon. 9/11 had nothing to do with Panama.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
ANd i'm not comparing to being ALMOST...it was a violation, weather you like it or not, and you said you were born in panama? but then you imply that you were there as a military child??? soooo wich one is it? and wHere where you? did you see the mass graves that were discovered after the americans retreated to the zone? cause people couldn't find their family members? and what do you know about panama relations with the USA? if you were really a panamenian you woldn't have posted that satetmen
usckazs 2 years ago
Again I have stated twice I had nothing to do with military of either side .
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Well EEXXcusee me for calling you Lady, i did not know i was being disrespectfull.
River... no military ties in any way...what were your circumstances in Panama? Did you go to school there? i need to understand where you are comming from i need to understand how this clip is possible and yes i have noticed you like to bann people who don't agree with you or challenge you. I suppose it feeds into the whole american side of you, it gives you Power over others opinions.
usckazs 2 years ago
Riv is good. I was born and reared in Panama, civilian, Colon, then moved to Pacific side, my dad was a teacher. I ban people who are cursing or rude. If you are neither, then we'll talk.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Also Just being in combat does not make you a hero. I feel sorry all these american lives were lost unnecesarily, there was nothing patriotic about the invation to Panama, nothing Heroic about what they did, they did their Job and i respect them for that but they are not heroes, not this time.
usckazs 2 years ago
I disagree but am glad you respect them for doing their jobs. I respect those Guardia who were good guys and also did their jobs. I do not respect the corrupt ones, which were the majority.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Lady.. Drug traffic has everything to do with the USA. No one has said don't mourn your soldiers, but to imply that only about a thousand panamenian lives were lost is insulting, depending on who you ask? How about a Taliban supporter posted that only about 100 lives where lost on 911? depending on who you ask.. if you were relly there like you said, then you wouldnt have posted that statment
usckazs 2 years ago
I AM NOT "Lady" be respectful, I am River, k? How old were you when this happened? As in any war there will be propaganda on both sides. I looked at both and decided the truth. I am not an outsider, nor military on either side. It was not more than a 1000 trust me.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
HELLO RIVER I see your still taking heat let me see if I can shed some light on a few things. Not only am I now a Born again christian" but a pastor. Belo whatever ive done to make you hate me I hope you can forgive me. I was scared the whole time i was there and have had to live with the fact that i took another human life. I dont ask for pity but just understanding. we were given a mission and yes we did it but please somewhere lets end the hate. ive had enough of it.
eh1way 2 years ago
eh1way, what a beauituful thing to say. Belo has been blocked due to his inability to have a nice conversation.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Ok white girl, so you are an expert i take it, and exactly where were you/ and the heavy fire! took about 24 hours! wich is what i ment, the whole thing took for ever! if you really think about it! where you THERE? WHERE YOU? AND
Belo118 2 years ago
Racial slurs are not necessary and there are white Panamanians though not necessarily liked by everyone. Right, it took forever and not 24 hrs only. We agree on that. I lived in Los Rios, after Ancon. Where did you live? Also, I like to talk peacefully.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
prohibido olvidar, this was unnecessary , thousands of panamanian die that day inocent people :(
kabriada 2 years ago
In a war there are always innocents who die and it is very sad. But blame Noriega. I am not sure of your age, but I was old enough to live through his regime and it was many innocents that he tortured and killed. He had to be removed.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
What are you talking about! what is your age? I LIVED THERE, I WAS THERE 300? DEPENDENDIND ON WHO YOU ASK? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU ARE BY FAR THE STUPIDETS BITCH I HAVE EVER COME ACCROSS ON THE WEB, AND THAT IS ALOT. YOU KNOW NOTHING! THERE IS NO WAY EL DENI TOOK ANYONE BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING LASTED ABOUT 24 HOURS, AND THEN IT WAS JUST KEEPING US IN CHECK UNTILL THE 4TH OR 5TH DAY THE AREA OF THE DENI WAS DESTROYED AND SECRET DENI OFFICE? ARE YOU STUPID?
Belo118 2 years ago
Belo, I am not stupid, I lived there too, born & reared there, I am 42 yrs & not connected to military in any manner. If you are as you say, then you know well of DENI, Guardia (before they were PDF), and Dig Bat, in specific detail, unless you are of Noriega's allegience and deny. I never stated DENI took anyone during the engagement, but Guardia did. Also, 24 hrs was not the whole thing, although the US media said it was. If you are as you say, you and I both know it lasted much longer.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
The Seventh Infantry Division lost a total of four guys during "Just Cause". I'm not sure why the last two are never mentioned. The last one was SPC Douglas J. Duff. He died on 1 Jan 90 from an accidental discharge at the panama canal comission. He was 19 years old and an active participant of the invasion. He was one of the guys that secured Corundu in Panama City. I know because I was there with him during Just Cause.
astemsrud 2 years ago
Astemsrud, Curundu? No way? My very closest friends were there and I had no phone line to them and I was screaming into the phone. I got the names from a military site, and as much as I love our military, they do often get some things wrong. SPC Duff will now be remembered each time I go to Curundu. How did he die in 90 we were gone? You will also be remembered. Curundu is a hard place now, it used to be nice, but now is rough. I go though, and will recall you and Duff. Thank you both.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
The operation was one month long. Dec 89-Jan 90. He died on New Years Day. By then all of the attention was diverted to the revolution in Romania. We still encountered some (Not much) sniper fire for the days to come and we had a drive by shooting at one of our guard posts located at a warehouse we were staying in. The drive by hit some rich chinese guy's Porsche. The car alarm went off which added to the drama.
astemsrud 2 years ago
if you tell me you are panamenian or even live there! that's offensive
Belo118 2 years ago
Offensive, why? It's a great country. I was born in Colon.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
YOU KNOW? i know it was your job and i'm trying really hard not to hate you for it, the world takes so many turns.
Belo118 2 years ago
My job? Or are you replying to someone else? I had nothing to do with military on either side.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
green go´s must kill Noriega...or any "batallón dignidad or macho de monte soldiers"...not Chorrillo innocents peoples...
salmoglilio 2 years ago
It was horrible what happened to the people there. Absolutely horrific. Noriega did say he would take Chorrillo with him, if it came down to it. The priest said the Dig. Battalions did it, though. I have a problem doubting the word of a man of the Church, a man of Jesus.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Shut up you fucking sellout i hate people like you! disque panamenos! i hate you, you should have made a more forcefull coment about the attrocity of this video,
CHUPAMEDIA! i am an american, and i love this country but when we are wrong we are wrong.
Belo118 2 years ago
So you are US and not have been in Panam?
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
malditos gringos siempre los odiare , atacando con su mayor tecnologia a un pais no tan fuerte como panama , recuerdo que antes de nacer ( cuando estaba mi hermano mayor bebe) , mi familia tuvo 1 semana que no podia salir de su casa y tuvimos que compartir la comida con nuestros vecinos
Yondaime344 2 years ago
I have tried to keep foul language away, for only giving tribute to the ones in this video, but I know it will not work. Please understand that I give full respect to anyone of any view. I do not give respect to foul language.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
Okay wait, you are the one I know, with coatis..... you are my enemy now?
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
no im not your enemy is just that when i see that i get full of hatred
Yondaime344 2 years ago
(smile) I understand that. I am that way on many other subjects. I am very glad you said this. I like you.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
GREEN GO`S MAMAHUEVOS
salmoglilio 2 years ago
U.S marines and Bush sucks!...the same shit all time...Americans
double faces....
VIVA PANAMA KARAJO
salmoglilio 2 years ago
u can see rich people celebration in a BMW with Panama flags....But ask u a question RiverBirch...
What happened with Chorrillo people that night?.... killed by US marines sure...
No sabes ni donde estas parada zorra mamaverga y hedionda...
salmoglilio 2 years ago
I dunno about BMW, I never saw anyone that rich. We were just ordinary folks. Chorillio, I take the word of God over a man. You know what I mean, in his office. I know you do.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
River Birch i wanted to say thank you for this video i was there from the initial recon on through and you told alot of truths. believe it or not i am actually in one of the pictures. no body wants to be in war but sometimes it has to be. at least with OJC we were given an objective and once it was complete we were gone...So to all my Service brothers and sisters who will read this GOD bless you and keep you safe. I was an airborn MP Again GOD bless you all..........AIRBORN OOOOORAH
eh1way 2 years ago
eh1way, ooorah to YOU. And your buddies, your officers. We didn't know anything except how it applied to us. Which was... freedom. I could walk to the store! Without being threatened! You said "brothers AND sisters" which is alot to me, as a studier of female combat history. How did you feel of the women in combat there? (you can answer private if you want). But thank you, I know you were under orders and not in knowledge of living there, but each order did something good for us.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
mY HUSBAND IS AN AIRBORNE.... ARE YOU SURE SHE TOLD THE TRUTH? what do you know what the truth is? you follow orders and shoot to kill, you don't give a shit about the truth. truth is your job makes you a murderer...that is truth.
Belo118 2 years ago
I am from Panama and although I regret that the invasion took place, I also recognize that it was necessary. There were losses on both sides but the result is a country with freedom and democracy.
chumpson 2 years ago
Chumpson, thank you for saying this. You have no idea how much it means to me. I did not put in my video much except text, to show my feelings, but ppl jumped me. I need to make a 2nd one about the ppl of Panama (never Guardia/PDF, my anger is too much) and how ppl recovered as well as they could. Like you, I regret the invastion took place. So much pain and suffering. But Panama is what SHE is today, because of a change in policy. Panama is a shining jewel. With Noriega, it was all pain.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
FOR WHO BITCH! THe rich? the people in power? or the ones that wanted the power the oligarchy? for who? huh? My beutifull country is nothing, NOTHING! like how it was, it is more corrupt and dirty and full of drugs and crime! what the hell? did we grew up in the same place?
Belo118 2 years ago
Belo, drug crime now is because Noriega cannot funnel it, so it is scattered. Nothing to do with US. I am very sorry that you and I could not speak reasonably, it sounds like you and I could have much to discuss. Unfortunately you have had several chances to be nice and did not, so you are blocked. I would have been willing to talk.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
better you go and suck ur daddy USA cock asshole
salmoglilio 2 years ago
WOW!!!!! dude! what fuck ? did you see? 300 hundred depending on who you ask? donde esta tu patriotismo! como es posible que esto sea todo lo que tienes que commentar en este video! pudrete falso panameno!
Belo118 2 years ago
experiensia have seen it in the field of military i participate in the invasion perhaps laugh so we will comment when I caught in the ares of us take amador Rodman wing base and we took their clothes and took us to mind previous polygon new emperor did not stretch into service at the base of Rodman is a joke
cholo5ta 2 years ago
Cholo I am not sure I understand this comment. Rodman was not involved much, I don't think. Amador, was of course, to a great extent.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
riverbirch1967 hola me write for you me live now u,s
cholo5ta 2 years ago
hello and I followed your comments and Panamanian belonged ff dd LDCs today I am retired from all that I am living a more civil between the amount but I remember that moment of the invasion as if it were yesterday, today was for 20 years of service estube I died the day of the invasion, I would like to have a friendly meeting and exchange views about the invasion and our military, or if you were or still is involved in the invasion
cholo5ta 2 years ago
Cholo, you were PDF?
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
I was there with the 7th. I think the picture of the 7th soldiers by the sign, I think I'm the guy holding the saw.
motogpfan46 3 years ago
Many, many good men fought. I hope all had respect for the Panamanian people (civvies).
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago
The Panamanian people were very good to us. After Noriega gave up, we stayed in Colon for a little while, and the people there, invited in there homes, to there parties(cook outs) it was a good time. We stayed in a school next to a airport(forget the city) the people there were very nice also.
motogpfan46 2 years ago
34 civilians? thats what the media tells you. no infact thats what the media told us. who knows maybe their telling the truth, they probably didn't count the graves.
alexTVmedia 3 years ago
My mother could've have been killed. she was in San Miguel when those dogs came. the neighbors house was up in flames, she told me if it wasn't for her friend who knew a little english, then a US soldier would have shot her and my uncle. US troops, do what you gotta do cuz i know some of you act out when the big man hands you a gun. but try and shoot the enemy next time....next time.
OPERATION JUST BECAUSE
alexTVmedia 3 years ago
Alex, it was awful for the civilians. I hoped that showing I lived there, it would show something of my feelings. "DOGS" could be Guardia, too, the trucks, the blue water spray, everything they did wrong. I lived in this. Did you? I must say that I honor the US troops but also honor the Panamanian civilians. I also lost a dear one, just driving in the wrong place at the wrong time, from a party. You mean San Migelito, right? Bad times, very bad times. I honor all.
RiverBirch1967 2 years ago