Gender Bias in the Construction Trades: The Story of Lineworker Jenna Smith

[Reb662]

I got seperated from my trade.... Wrongfully, hostile work environment... One foreman got in my face a few times.. Called me a baglady.... He and they think .. Im dropping this.... Not ever.. if Im within my statue of limitations.. I need help.. Anyone that can advise me.. Please contact me... ASAP... I was almost a journeyman myself.. To go and they vote to kick me out. and the ones supp helping us.. They cover and make up things up..

[townsendpromotions]

To: rivereed: You obviously have your head up your ass! I have been in the union since 1987 and have never had any troubles with my co-workers. If women didn't go out to these jobs with a chip on there shoulder most of them would have no problems with co workers. The ones that can do there job as good as the rest of the crew excel in the Union.

[rivereed]

This is very common in the trades. There is no such thing as EEOC within Union organizations. The Business Agents for the Unions brush you under the carpet. The so-called "human relations" departments for companies do all they can to quiet women to keep them from filing a union grievance. Soon you find you are not being called out for work. Retaliation by male co-workers for complaints is over-whelming. We are still in the dark ages. I wouldn't recommend a young woman to enter the trades.

[allen2603]

She was being hazed. A very common practice in years gone by done to many apprentices regardless of gender, race, religion or sexual orientation. Ones who endured this do it to others. This is changing but slowly.

[ksgrown]

To @allen2603:

I'm shocked that you are so calm about the "very common practice" of hazing. The national news is full of the sad state of affairs caused by effects of non-stop hazing by bullies. Gross negligence by educational/apprentice organizations tolerating hazing is shameful. Bystanders' lack of action to stop hazing are equally guilty. Sexual assult, retaliation & denial of progression to Journey-level are not common for males - Jenna's treatment was horrific - change is needed fast!

[ashadog]

The story is intricate but the fundamental reality is obvious: Jenna experienced significant discrimination and abuse during her apprenticeship. She passed her tests and was denied journey-level status by the same people who allowed the hostile work environment. She deserves resolution through a neutral-party council. Support for Jenna is growing but we need more people to advocate for themselves and those who will follow by telling their own stories of discrimination. I know Jenna's not alone.

[jojo739]

Bob Ferguson brings to the front of this discussion a valid point. Why are there two representatives from the two largest electric utilities on this council? He and Mike McFall know first hand the amount of descrimination perpetrated against women in the trades at their respective utilities. PGE just last year carded out its first female apprentice (meterman) in its 100+ year history. That is pathetic to say the least. The state of Oregon should have a more unbiased, representative council.

[MissDobie1]

Fortunately, the two people, (count 'em TWO) kicking up a bunch a bull here, are not the deciders. And they are no match for the growing supporters who stand behind Jenna (including co-workers who vouch for how capable she is on the job). It's up to the State App. Council now to do the right thing. Either way, EWEB and the JATC are already playing catch up for the mistakes they made. I hope they take the lesson and change the outdated culture of their program--for everyone's sake.

[jennifere72]

One more thing bradandkayma: Sure you pull the gender card 4 1/2 years later...when you don't get what you want, when you want it! And if you're so informed, can you honestly tell me that Jenna has NEVER gotten held back any other time in her apprenticeship and that ALL of her reports were good? Probably not... "what's up with THAT?"

[PlumberWalkinTheWalk]

@ORDuckU21 Your words..."It is disgraceful that this video ...has made the entire line department look like nothing more than a pack of wolfs" ---first of all I won't disparage wolves in that way. What made the line department look like a bunch of spineless dirt bags are the insecure men who feel threatened by a competent woman and the other spineless co-workers who watched and knew the treatment was wrong and did nothing..!!

[jennifere72]

Again, Rodeo and Rilea aren't real life, just tests. Other safety factors are involved that you aren't aware of my friend. There's no doubt Jenna performed high level rescues and did well at Rilea. I'm sure she'll make a good journeyman someday. The reports reflect field work as on the job training, not just practicing the work at a rodeo or Rilea. Demonstrating pole top rescue is different from one in real-life. Very few Journeyman thankfully never have to do a real life rescue, including me.

[bradandkamya]

@jennifere72 - I agree - The testing is designed to demonstrate in a practical way the skills learned through training. All apprentices are required to do this important testing. I am glad to hear that you ALSO have not had to do a real life pole top rescue. Hopefully if and when you are required to perform one in real life you'll be able to do it as quickly and professionally as Jenna did. Scores from the Montana rodeo are public record. Jenna 2:39 EWEB jouneymen 3:08 & 3:17 respectively.

[jennifere72]

Yes, bradandkamya, I do think the supporters are angry people...you wish I was uninformed.

[bradandkamya]

@jennifere72 - There is a difference between being angry and being appalled. Personally I am appalled at what is obvious discrimination and bias in the workplace. That is also the impression I get with the majority of responses from supporters, with a few exceptions. It appears to me that most of the consistent anger is coming from you and ORDuckU21.

[VivaCharco]

Not sure if this will get through, but Jenna, so many folks: other lineman, trades workers, just everyday people-- have been inspired by your willingness to tell your story. Thank you for coming out with the truth and holding steady. Wish you the best at the Oregon State Council meeting!

[ORDuckU21]

P.S. In order to get hit with a rigging chain you would need to be standing too close, which is just one example of unsafe work habits. So put that in your pipe and smoke it!!

[FridayWextra]

@ORDuckU21 i don't smoke, but P.S. that doesn't make sense. That's like telling someone they're unsafe because they got too close to a fist someone swung at them. Jenna experienced the full range of discrimination: from outright sexual assault to folks pretending to "accidentally" physically hurt her. It's not everyone and it wasn't all the time, but some really bad apples have held her back--suspiciously right after she complained. Good for you Jenna for standing up to this.

[ksgrown]

To ORDuckU21 re: "to get hit with a rigging chain" - The chain didn't hit her accidently. Her co-worker swung it and hit her across the legs like the mofia does to break the legs of someone they are pressuring. It was intentional and followed by a mean, sarcastic comment. Where I come from that's called assult and is followed by a call to the police. Where were the union brothers at this moment? Where was her crew? - not watch'en her back like they should have been, I guess.

[bradandkamya]

@ORDuckU21 - So in your opinion the person in control of the chain has no responsibility to ensure that it is clear before dropping the chain? To drop the chain without warning or checking that it is safe is standard procedure? What if a civilian was walking through the work area? Would you just drop the chain on him or her and then claim that they were walking unsafely so you didn't bother to look and ensure the path was clear? You're right - it's one more example of unsafe work habits!!!

[ORDuckU21]

@ksgrow--First of all Its MRS!!! You would like to label me Mr. so that again this could be a gender issue.

2) Jenna volunteered to go to the rodeo she was not chosen.

3) The claim that she had the best time at camp is false so maybe you should check your facts all times are recorded.

[FridayWextra]

Correct, she did not take first prize. Jenna had the best time of all EWEB Lineman at that rodeo. But all this is beside the point. Jenna did what the JATC said she needed to do. She's met all requirements. She was ready to card out until she filed the complaint and was held back at the LAST possible moment.

[ORDuckU21]

No one is discrediting the fact that she has done well on SOME of her tests. They are simply saying that she is not ready for the next step. There is no doubt mistakes have been made in handling this situation or it would never have come this far. It is clear that a lot of these comments are from friends who have been sadly miss informed. It is disgraceful that this video as well as the Register Guard has made the entire line department look like nothing more than a pack of wolfs.

[FridayWextra]

@ORDuckU21 Jenna has had support from other crew members and she stated so in the hearing. I don't think it's that black and white. But some folks have taken actions that are unfair. If they hadn't called her in to take this special physical test in front of other supervisors and said she had passed it, it would seem less clear that she is being held back simply out of retaliation. Jenna's completed all the requirements the program had laid out. She deserves to card out.

[bradandkamya]

It was interesting to read that those supporting Jenna were labeled as "angry people". What's up with that? There was also the accusation that Jenna was pulling the "gender card". So not true. You don't wait 4 1/2 years to pull a gender card. Jenna has completed her testing, including the journeymans test with scores in the high 90's. She has completed all required OJT. She has scored at the top of every proficiency skills test and was commended by EWEB supervisors at individual skills testing

[ashadog]

Unfortunately these two separate issues are integrally intertwined. In order to believe that Jenna was appropriately denied journey-level status you must also believe that those judging her were not a part of her discrimination. What I fail to understand is how Jenna could successfully pass a special test designed to address concerns about her abilities, a test judged by supervisors at EWEB, and then be told three months later that she has not proven herself capable.

[jennifere72]

You are correct ORduckU21, there are two separate issues here and the angry people supporting Jenna can't seem to separate them. It's unfortunate that so many people are misinformed and can't differentiate between a terrible situation at EWEB and the actions of the JATC-a group of volunteers who are charged with and responsible for assuring that all apprentice's are ready and capable of working in a hazardous environment. The issue has been sensationalized and that is unfortunate.

[VivaCharco]

It's the JATC that is holding Jenna back. Problems: Members of the JATC are employed by EWEB, a conflict of interest pointed out by BOLI members in the hearing. And the reason you can't separate the harassment from the JATC decision to hold Jenna back is that Some of the people that have evaluated her are part of the hostile work environment. This issue has been brought to light and if it's sensational, it's because the (in)actions of both the JATC and EWEB are so shocking.

[bradandkamya]

@jennifere72 - It is interesting that you label the people who are supporting Jenna as "angry people". Is that to somehow discredit them? I am not angry but am a little stunned at how uninformed you seem to be.  You stated that the rodeo is not real life. It is part of the record that Jenna consistently performed the rescue at a high level, not only at the rodeo but at camp Rilea and in a special test of her skills by EWEB. How many "real life" rescues have you performed?

[RedVinesify]

Jenna's not the only one who knows that she is ready for her card. Several of her co-workers, union members and instructors are supporting her as well. It's time for EWEB to step up and move into the 21st century, beyond the sexist environment that they provide and accept for the employees. Best of luck Jenna -- there are so many of us standing behind you!

[ORDuckU21]

First of all knowledge is not knowledge just because you read something does not mean you are capable of doing it. This is not baking a cake peoples safety and lives are at stake. The harassment issue and her being held back are separate issues she was not held back because she complained. What happened to her is terrible but that does not mean she gets a free pass.

[ksgrown]

To Mr "ORDuckU21" Knowledge is when you have facts & data in your brain and can apply it.... NO one is claiming that just because a women reads electrical theory they should be allowed to be a lineworker... She passed all academic tests (with good scores) she performed all the tests that all other apprentices are required to do... No one is asking for a FREE PASS! She's done the work and proven herself for 4+ years.... Why else would the company have allowed her to represent them at rodeo?

[bradandkamya]

@ORDuckU21 - Free pass? You are right - Proficiency needs to be proven. Jenna has done that at every opportunity. She has completed all required OJT hours to be carded out. In addition, while still an apprentice, she was selected/volunteered to represent EWEB at the lineman's rodeo in Montana and scored well into the top 50 percent as the only woman competing. Jenna also was subjected to individual skills testing session by EWEB and was commended by the supervisors for excellent performance.

[FridayWextra]

I had some rough jobsites working as a carpenter, but this is so awful. Glad to hear that there are journeyman who have worked with Jenna who are supporting her and that the union won it's grievance against the local joint apprenticeship committee. Even from within EWEB, folks know things need to change as acknowledged in the Register Guard article. This change is only happening because one woman was willing to come forward--something that's really hard to do. Go Jenna!!

[MissDobie1]

The JATC made the requirements for what it takes to be a lineman and Jenna did them all. She even took an "extra" physical test in front of her supervisors (she passed it!). Everything was fine. You were slated to card out. Then days after you filed an official complaint, they come out with another excuse to hold you back. This after years of such a hostile work environment. THANK YOU Jenna for taking a stand.

[TheRoxyharley]

There are two sides to every story, but only one story is being told here. I believe that if Jenna could do the work, then of course she should get her card. However, I think Jenna is trying to get through her apprenticeship by pulling the gender card. On paper, Jenna may have prooved that she is capable of performing her duties, but out in the field, she has a ways to go. Jenna, you are the one that has to live with your alligations. Make sure they are accurate....

[ksgrown]

To "@TheRoxyharley" If there's another side to the story --please tell us! What essential skills is she not able to perform? (nothing that was on the final tests!) What knowledge is she unable to recall? (nothing that's on the JourneyMAN test!) "Out in the field" reports did not indicate she was doing anything wrong until after she told on the guys that broke the law during the sexual assults. That's what sticks in her side --- what information do you know? Share the facts! Please.

[bradandkamya]

@TheRoxyharley - The gender card? You would be so wrong. You don't wait 4 1/2 years to pull the gender card. You are right, Jenna has proven herself on paper with consistent scores in the high 90's including the journeyman exam. She has also proven herself in the field completing all required hours and tasks for her apprenticeship. Jenna performed very well at Camp Rilea and the Montana rodeo and a specially administered test by EWEB. Her proficency is clearly demonstrated. Accurate? Yes!!!

[jennifere72]

Jenna's not the only apprentice who's ever been held at step. It happens all the time to men in the program, and several people have been washed-out because of safety concerns. Safety isn't an "excuse", it's a reality especially when you're dealing with high voltage electrical lines!! The hurt man rescue exercise at the Montana Lineman's Rodeo IS NOT real life, It's a rodeo. Jenna doesn't want her card, she wants attention and revenge. I wouldn't call that as being "informed" or "mature".

[jimmyreeder]

@jennifere72 You are an idiot. "Safety" is being used as an excuse to keep her out. She earned the journeylevel status. I'm sure you've heard of "make it a safety issue" and no one can argue.

[katie97520]

The board members citing safety as a reason they're hesitant to move forward on a ruling should be embarrassed. I don't believe that's their concern; I think they're hiding behind this statement when they'd rather not see Jenna get her card. Shame on you both.

[ksgrown]

@ORDuckU21 I'm interested in knowing more about what you've said. 1) I don't think being realistic about what the enviroment will probably be like is "having a chip on my shoulder" it's being informed and mature. 2) your claim that she isn't the 1st woman in that line department ..I think she said only line apprentice...sure there may be other women in the company or in that dept but not in that apprenticeship... 3) "book Knowledge" NEVER means Nothing... Knowledge is Knowledge!

[FridayWextra]

@ORDuckU21 1) Jenna was actually held back right after she complained. 2) Jenna was aware of the bias in the construction trades because she had already journeyed out as a Powerline Clearance Worker/Tree Trimmer. As a point of fact, tradeswomen experience a high incidence of sexual harassment/discrimination. 3) And just to clear things as up, as proof of Jenna's physical abilities, Jenna performed her hurt man rescue at the Montana Lineman's Rodeo faster than every EWEB lineman that competed.

[jimmyreeder]

The only council members who make any sense are the ones who have felt discrimination and have no hidden agenda to protect the people who discriminated against Jenna. These are the members who never belonged to the "good ol boys" club, they have no reason to protect them!!

[jimmyreeder]

Cowards all! We who have been in the trade for many years understand how "safety" is used. Make something a "safety" issue, and no one can argue with you. I see right through these idiots. These "men" don't have half the courage you do, Jenna. They are not even on your level!

[ksgrown]

@jimmyreeder I felt the same way when I heard that man imply that giving her the journey-card might be a safety issue - because she was so stressed... But when I listened again I got the feeling he was saying -- if they gave her that card and she went out to work she would be in-danger (it would be her safety at risk) from the hostile crew members... Was he warning her that they would hurt her or let her get hurt... I'd really like to talk to him to see exactly what he meant!

[jimmyreeder]

JATC had better deal with this problem, obviously these things happened to you because everyone is getting away with it!! It was hard for me to watch some of the board members re-victimize you. They are protecting the "good ol' boys" club and that was obvious. I guffawed when the board mentioned how a personality charm school might benefit the apprentices. Really? That was just a ploy to blame the victim, and make it seem like it was just some misunderstanding or personality conflict

[jennifere72]

Wow, what a biased video! Jenna forgot to mention that the "assaulter" was deservedly fired from EWEB. Or did the Oregon Trades Women or Jenna not want this information to be in their video???? The JATC is an honorable group of well-intentioned and respected volunteers in the Lineman trade. SAFETY is their number one concern for Jenna and all apprentices, be it Male or Female!!!! There is always two sides to EVERY story. What a disgrace...

[ashadog]

@jennifere72 The assaulter, no quotations needed, did continue to work at EWEB for some time after the attack and the assault was witnessed by coworkers/supervisors who did nothing to stop the abuse. I don't argue that the JATC is comprised of well-intentioned people but I do question the organization's scope of what safety means. Jenna certainly wasn't kept safe.

[jama8710]

I understand that she has taken a lot of sexual abuse. I dont agree with what those men have done. Has anyone looked into her actual work ability? Testing high doesn't mean that she can do the job. Its called electrical theory for a reason! Q: would you want her to be the only other person on the pole if your husband or son had an accident and she needed to lower him to the ground? I wouldnt. shes smart, she knows the theory but those men are big! how many times was she held back?

[bradandkamya]

@jama8710 - Testing high does not by itself tell you everything. Jenna's competency/proficiency has been fully documented. Even the Lineman on the board looking into these charges stated that Jenna had fully demonstrated proficiency in all physical areas of the job. She has completed all required OJT hours. Her scores at the Montana Rodeo for pole rescue were much higher than the "Journeymen" participating from EWEB. Yes I would much rather trust Jenna to get me safely to the ground.

[debberry21]

Jenna's perseverance through this trial is impressive. Not many women, or men, would want to be in her place. I can imagine that there have been many times she has wanted to back out, but she is staying strong in spite of how hard this must be. I can't help but think of what a great example you are being to your daughter to stand firm and do the right thing. I know that during this battle you have made sacrifices on many levels. I pray that you will soon see the fruit of your determination.

[Kendakei]

My first husband was a IBEW apprentice, his brother a Journeyman, my ex did get his Journeyman's card, but I was struck by the rough, brutal behaviors that were commonplace. Jenna deserves great credit for surviving, she is making a way. If she gives up, she will have just suffered enough at the hands of a bunch of petulant, backward bullies. I always say, "We may have to go, but we don't have to go quietly!"

[bufalloboi]

I feel for her... I know what she is going thru as far as being assaulted by a co-worker I too was assaulted by a co-worker and the issue was just brushed off by my boss and then got thrown back on the a job site with that same co-work with him as my head forman

[Synergyfire]

Jenna has been one of my dearest friends for about 15 years now. She is one of the most intelligent, hard working, loving, strong and brave women I have ever known. She is a person who walks her talk and does what she says she is going to do. She sets an example for all women! Jenna, you know that you ALWAYS have my support. Yet again you are showing the world what women are truly capable of achieving. You inspire me and always have. I love you. Please support Jenna!

[ksgrown]

Jenna is brave and is becoming a model of conduct for many other females in non-traditional careers - and those that will be there someday. You should be proud of yourself for working so hard, pulling your own weight, learning a difficult trade and putting up with the hostile work environment until it was time to report them. This an amazing video and all involved should be commended for supporting her.