There are fast blizzards an slow blizzards, depending of the velocity of the current wind... /Swepianoholic, living in a country with snow 5 months a year-Sweden
My earlier teacher Gordon Watson of the Sydney Con was in the same study class as Cziffra - Gordon said that Cziffra was expelled because 'he played things too fast and loud..."However I like some Cziffra performances. Here we have a Master in Jorge Bolet, I bracket him with the insurmountable Michael Ponti.
I am always amused when outstanding artists like Jorge Bolet are compared with outlandish clowns like Cziffra or Berezovsky. It's like comparing a Harley Davidson and a bicycle. Those who are keen of technical fireworks and absurdly fast tempi, may listen to Cziffra and Berezovsky as much as they like. Those who think the music more important than the technique needn't bother with such guys.
@hellomate639 I don't think it's too slow to be a blizzard at all. the effect is in the tremolos. how fast do slow-flakes move for god's sake (even in a blizzard)? At the end of the day it's still a piece of music, with a pusle, texture and melody which need to be heard. Bolet understands this and gives a musical performance unlike so many people who massacre the piece
It is too slow to be a blizzard. Snowflakes move at the speed of the wind in a blizzard, which is fucking fast if you've ever seen one. The wind howls as it blows at speeds getting up to 50 mph in some cases. I don't prefer this interpretation, personally, but if others do, then who am I to say that they're wrong?
I think your description of the Cziffra interpretation in another comment shows a true lack of understanding of different interpretations.
@hellomate639 yeah, you probably massacre it like most amateurs (and professionals!) do. The great professionals however, make it into a piece of music.
I know that I don't because I've recorded myself on digital pianos and listened. I also play the rapid octaves perfectly 9 times out of ten at the same tempo as Berezovsky (sometimes faster and staccato when messing around), and in that rare one time, it's not noticeable.
Anyhow, besides that, it hardly matters if I was a mildly interested musician or a pro: your comments are obviously stupid, saying that Cziffra's interpretation was amateur.
@hellomate639 Obviously Cziffra was not an 'amateur', in the sense he was a professionally recognized pianist. He could technically play the notes at ferocious speeds and volumes, and therein lays my gripe. This so seems to be main requirement of a 'professional'. perhaps I should have phrased it better: he 'deserves' to be labelled amateurish, for such a lack of artistic sensitivity which i find infuriating when a person has such 'physical' talent - why didn't he use his Godamn brain with it!
@hellomate639 I haven't fallen for anything, I'm an experienced musician and I've heard many interpretations of many pieces. You're right, it does takes a degree of maturity to embrace 'alternative interpretations'. However, this doesn't mean that 'different' = 'equally valid'. It's a fact that some are better than others. The vast superiority of Bolet's artistry and tone here (with no small lack of power where needed) seems glaringly obvious to me, compared with 'Cziffra the mechanoid'.
It is too slow to be a blizzard. Snowflakes move at the speed of the wind in a blizzard, which is fucking fast if you've ever seen one. The wind howls as it blows at speeds getting up to 50 mph in some cases. I don't prefer this interpretation, personally, but if others do, then who am I to say that they're wrong?
I think your description of the Cziffra interpretation in another comment shows a true lack of understanding of different interpretations.
There are fast blizzards an slow blizzards, depending of the velocity of the current wind... /Swepianoholic, living in a country with snow 5 months a year-Sweden
SwePianoholic 6 months ago
Superb voicing... Breathtaking melodic phrasing... Monumental sound! And doesn't sound like a tempest of sound until when it should.
mwu42251 6 months ago
My earlier teacher Gordon Watson of the Sydney Con was in the same study class as Cziffra - Gordon said that Cziffra was expelled because 'he played things too fast and loud..."However I like some Cziffra performances. Here we have a Master in Jorge Bolet, I bracket him with the insurmountable Michael Ponti.
s1earle 8 months ago
I am always amused when outstanding artists like Jorge Bolet are compared with outlandish clowns like Cziffra or Berezovsky. It's like comparing a Harley Davidson and a bicycle. Those who are keen of technical fireworks and absurdly fast tempi, may listen to Cziffra and Berezovsky as much as they like. Those who think the music more important than the technique needn't bother with such guys.
Spiritakis 11 months ago 2
@Spiritakis exactly!
felipesarro 1 month ago
Not sure about this interpretation, it sounds like he's playing with a metronome! Doesn't really conjure up any imagery at all.
mkeysou812 1 year ago
It's kind of nice and clear with good Rubato but too slow to be a blizzard.
hellomate639 1 year ago
@hellomate639 I don't think it's too slow to be a blizzard at all. the effect is in the tremolos. how fast do slow-flakes move for god's sake (even in a blizzard)? At the end of the day it's still a piece of music, with a pusle, texture and melody which need to be heard. Bolet understands this and gives a musical performance unlike so many people who massacre the piece
jegspillerpiano 1 year ago
@jegspillerpiano
Cmon, I play this.
It is too slow to be a blizzard. Snowflakes move at the speed of the wind in a blizzard, which is fucking fast if you've ever seen one. The wind howls as it blows at speeds getting up to 50 mph in some cases. I don't prefer this interpretation, personally, but if others do, then who am I to say that they're wrong?
I think your description of the Cziffra interpretation in another comment shows a true lack of understanding of different interpretations.
hellomate639 1 year ago
@hellomate639 yeah, you probably massacre it like most amateurs (and professionals!) do. The great professionals however, make it into a piece of music.
jegspillerpiano 1 year ago
@jegspillerpiano
I know that I don't because I've recorded myself on digital pianos and listened. I also play the rapid octaves perfectly 9 times out of ten at the same tempo as Berezovsky (sometimes faster and staccato when messing around), and in that rare one time, it's not noticeable.
Anyhow, besides that, it hardly matters if I was a mildly interested musician or a pro: your comments are obviously stupid, saying that Cziffra's interpretation was amateur.
hellomate639 1 year ago
@hellomate639 Obviously Cziffra was not an 'amateur', in the sense he was a professionally recognized pianist. He could technically play the notes at ferocious speeds and volumes, and therein lays my gripe. This so seems to be main requirement of a 'professional'. perhaps I should have phrased it better: he 'deserves' to be labelled amateurish, for such a lack of artistic sensitivity which i find infuriating when a person has such 'physical' talent - why didn't he use his Godamn brain with it!
jegspillerpiano 1 year ago
@jegspillerpiano
You do know that once you're used to a certain interpretation, other interpretations often seem awkward, right?
It takes some time to get to the point where you don't fall for that problem.
hellomate639 1 year ago
@hellomate639 I haven't fallen for anything, I'm an experienced musician and I've heard many interpretations of many pieces. You're right, it does takes a degree of maturity to embrace 'alternative interpretations'. However, this doesn't mean that 'different' = 'equally valid'. It's a fact that some are better than others. The vast superiority of Bolet's artistry and tone here (with no small lack of power where needed) seems glaringly obvious to me, compared with 'Cziffra the mechanoid'.
jegspillerpiano 1 year ago 6
@jegspillerpiano thumbs up 2 u for truth. bolet is clever subtle artistry cziffra is uninteristing mechanoid
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@jegspillerpiano
Cmon, I play this.
It is too slow to be a blizzard. Snowflakes move at the speed of the wind in a blizzard, which is fucking fast if you've ever seen one. The wind howls as it blows at speeds getting up to 50 mph in some cases. I don't prefer this interpretation, personally, but if others do, then who am I to say that they're wrong?
I think your description of the Cziffra interpretation in another comment shows a true lack of understanding of different interpretations.
hellomate639 1 year ago
Finalmente qualcuno che non gioca solo a fare il virtuoso:D
TipheretV 2 years ago
DEFINITELY one of Liszt most lyrical compositions!
chutdigadut 2 years ago 3