So Harris, what about the Old Testament? Is that also in conflict? You state the Koran & the Gospel are in conflict but that is false. The Moslems believe in the Prophecies that Jesus foretold. And what is the purpose of the Talmud? Do you also condemn that? You leave too much out to draw any conclusions.
This bitter arguing is just fueling anger. So, instead of continuing something rather pointless I ask my brothers and sisters in Christ to join me in praying for your soul.
Finally, I ask my Father in heaven to draw you to His Son Jesus. I now put you in His hands and ask Him to have mercy and compassion on you. It's in Jesus' name I ask amen.
@tazluvpizza You anger is within your mind I can give Jesus some credit. But the thing you keep missing that you don't get. And I've studied this for years, and even back when I was a pastor. Jesus said, "the kingdom of heaven is within". The more you study the metaphysical understanding of that is based on a state of mind. Jesus did not want the glory for himself, he wanted people to take responsibility of themselves, and on the kingdom of heaven within.
@tazluvpizza Spirituality isn't clinging onto a savior. You need a Savior, to save you no matter how many unintelligent factors you throw, into your life. That's called clinging onto something and that's not good. That doesn't help you to get to your goal. The kingdom of heaven with in is strictly self responsibility within oneself. It's when you start learning to save yourself and learn to be your own Savior. Jesus would never have a problem with this.
@tazluvpizza Jesus would want you to stop hanging onto him and start doing it for yourself. This is true spirituality. True spirituality is really the understanding of nothingness. Meditating on the basis of nothingness. The more you understand that the more you will understand this thing. You will understand what Jesus meant by picking them up having is within. If you were responsible up your own personal self. And there is no hell. But you are to afaid..
@suzukidas2 "Jesus would want you to stop hanging onto him and start doing it for yourself. " Jesus taught not to worry - leave everything to biblegod. Give up all your worldly possessions, don't worry about what you will eat or where you will sleep...God will provide. He even implies special privileges in heaven if followers leave their family and friends in their pursuit of faith.
But of course, the schizophrenic bible also claims that God helps those who help themselves. Go figure.
@TheHigherVoltage Your Bible God!? Okay let's talk about your Bible God. Your Bible God, that promotes slavery, mass genocide, killing innocent young children, promoting looting, promoting rape, incest, and creating one of the worst in sickest Holocaust of the concentration camp called Hell. Your Bible God, which is all-powerful resorts to. Cruel murderous acts, and crimes against humanity. Yet that's sure Bible God. You really like. To this fascist, dictator of a madman, your Bible God.
@suzukidas2 (CONT) Specifically, my comment to you was to point out that Jesus (if he even existed) didn't teach self-reliance, as your comment "Jesus would want you to stop hanging onto him and start doing it for yourself. " implies. He was consistent with the bible --> submit and obey or burn.
@TheHigherVoltage Sorry I did missread it.. thank you for pointing out the fact that Christians and Islam, support a fascist neo-Nazi regime for religion and belief system. Yes you're right their fascist God. Their neo-Nazi God, that persecutes people through his narcissistic capricious, sadomasochist, and God's hatred and madness to all. This God should be put on trial for crimes against humanity. What a sick bastard.
@TheHigherVoltage Your Bible God is like Adolf Hitler in Germany back in World War persecuting people, killing people, and torturing people, just because they need their glory, they need to be prayed to.You saying I taking God out of contan taking Hitler out of context. It's very clear what your Bible God does. Would you like me to give you Bible versus; I have a whole bunch of them. I see you just cherry pick the Bible, or you just try to distance yourself of your sadomasochist, violent God
@tazluvpizza Stop clinging onto books, and the Bible, to help you out. It's all within you it's a matter of time when you figure it out. A quick clinging onto saviors and learn to have a Buddha mind a Jesus mind and eventually you can do that you can actually learn what true bliss is really all about. And then you can let go of ideological police systems that people have manipulated on you. Because you never question why you have your belief system.
@tazluvpizza Good luck with your controlled belief system..You cling onto it because somebody put the fear of hell in torture on you. So you cling hard so you make sure you're on the right side, just like Islam does. Both of you think the other is going to Hell...base on you control belief system. And that's based on ego and there is no kingdom of heaven within that. The Kingdom of Heaven within is in the state of Nothingness, which is part of you...
@tazluvpizza That's why you joined your belief system. Because you've created a self the filling control system. The cheaply deaf dumb and blind to it. Go forth and enjoy your fantasy world. Fiction must be beautiful to you.
@tazluvpizza I love how you try to justify, and convert your belief systems on me. The truth behind it, you are trying to convert me so you can reconfirm your belief systems. Yes, you are trying to, reconfirm, your belief systems on me. Yes you are. This way you can sleep better at night, this way you will think in your mind that you have control of this thing, because fear of not having control scares you. Through Guilt and Fear, you create.
Let's look at Exodus Deuteronomy and Leviticus Ezekiel and Isaiah Hosea, many times God is ordering mass slaughtering, killing of children, old men and women. The slaughter of innocent animals, and women that are pregnant to. God own people were order by God; ordering them to loot a city kill everybody, and burned to kill people bodies. As a sacrificial reference to Christian and Islam, narcissistic arrogant egotistical God. Now the sick part is. GOD the Child Killer in the Bible.. What an ass
@suzukidas2 i think your comment at me is too far down but i saw it in my email, anyway you should be thanking God, he said the wages of sin is death, his love is what have generations still going on today. Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned, maybe you want God to be the way you think he should be, sorry but , he is a God of mercy and justice, I wont cast too many pearls, but only to say repent and accept Jesus before its too late.. have a good day:)
@hrhjudy Don't try to twist this around. I'm not the one trying to create a God that fits for me. Your God is not merciful or just. Especially, if you don't buy into Islam or Christianity's belief system that is based on how you guys what your God to act like your world. It's submit and pray to a narcissistic God, or else, you will burn in torture in hell. That obligation and there is no justification in that cruelty.
i feel your pain, but thats only if i think on it from a carnal minded perspective. why do you think science cannot stop people dieing?.... because God says the wages for disobeying him is death. what you think happens if no penalties are thier for disobeying the law of man. you are searching, but being carnally minded means you are also fighting the one whom you seek. Anyway bye, i have videos if you wish to get to know Jesus... bye.. :)
@hrhjudy I'm not feeling any pain towards anything. Life and death is always happen on this Earth. And there is no God doing this. You just support a belief system that is based on segregation and a God that acts like Adolf Hitler in a belief system based on a fascist regime thinking. You just don't know how manipulative you sound. Death doesn't bother me or change. It's just the process of life it always has been and that is beautiful.
@hrhjudy I hate to give you a hard time but I know about the Bible and Christianity better than you think. I'll give you a little hint, I used to be a pastor for Christian church. An ice taught Bible study in theology to people at my church. But the more I learned about the Bible and the truth behind it. The more I found its problems in the truth came clear about Christianity. It is in the control business and it always has been. Read your history
@suzukidas2 ah well :) here's a good note to end on:) in relation to you saying you use to be a Pastor. It is worth remembering that all whom the Father has given the Son, he will not lose, so you may just have been one of Lucifer's ministers or righteousness. If you dig deep you may just remember where the Bible scriptures in relation to what I note here is taken from. its one thing to know about God, quite another to know him. Hope to see you in better days :)
@hrhjudy Your GOD is Lucifer... God is the cruelest bully I have ever read in any book. Your God creates a hell like a Holocaust, as Hitler did with the Jews. If people who did not submit to a belief system, or do not pray to your narcissistic, arrogant, egotistical God. That like Hitler..So yes I got to know you God in the Bible, it is the worst villain, it is the worst maniac, and it is the evilest thing I have ever heard or read about. This God in the Bible is EVIL... God Is Satan
@hrhjudy You good at cerry picking the Bible and your Belief system to work for you. You see you need me to believe like you and to submit to you Belief. so you can conferm to yourself, that you are right. So you can feel better about your Belief, so you can sleep better at night. You are so afaid of your God because you know the Cruelness you GOD will do. TORTURE for ever and ever... You don't question, because you live in fear of you Evil Hitler God
Ok let's just get over all the Bible contradictions. Because this is why Muslims become more arrogant. This is a Muslims favourite argument: "The Bible has been corrupted by humans therefore God had to remind us, whereas the Quran remains the same, therefore it is the REAL DEAL".. So , if God knew people would corrupt the Bible and there would be a need for a 3rd reminder (quran), and if god knew this would lead to MILLIONS of deaths, WHY didn't he just send the QURAN to begin with?!!?
@d33stacked And please do not reply with "because its so detailed god couldn't just send all that information at once people wouldn't know how to handle it" (yes i have actually heard that argument used in the past). It's invalid because God is ALL Mighty and that would not have been an obstacle. And don't say because "its a test" because god already knows what will happen so to "test" humans knowing theyre going to fail miserably is just the lamesstttt argument ever.
@hrhjudy Your justifications in your belief system sounds exactly like Adolf Hitler, and Stalin. But 1 trillion times worse. That's like people who supported Hitler, saying, Hitler doesn't want you to go to his Holocaust concentration camps. But you must submit it believe in him and you'll get all the good stuff out of the deal. Sounds like some form of bait and switch game. Or taking a child's hands enforcing them over a hot oven until your child submits. That sounds like your God
@tazluvpizza You make the same speech as Islam does. Your Christianity, and Islam still are the most scariest and most dangerous and sickest religions I've ever known. But, the funny part is, you both sound like a bunch of salesmen with a mouthful of samples. Your twisted lies you try to manipulate on others, is downright the most stupid butts most sickening thing I've seen. Join your club and submit to your belief system, or else. You.. sounds like a fascist neo-Nazi religious party.
@suzukidas2 Huh? This isn't about a religion. Religion can't save anyone, only Jesus can. Even if someone is part of a religious group, he/she still may be lost.
@tazluvpizza You sound like every other Muslim, giving me the same script to your magical play. First of all, you have nothing to support or back this up. Also, just like Islam, join your belief systems or else. Thus, your narcissistic God sends people to a Holocaust of a torturing place forever and ever. Not only is that sick, but downright mentally evil. Religion is the problem. Your belief system that you just showed the. You sound like the fascist neo-Nazi of spirituality. Just like Islam
@suzukidas2 I have to thank you. You're persecution is strengthing my relationship with Jesus. :) You're fulfilling what has already been said John 15:20 (scripture from biblegateway, KJV).
20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
@tazluvpizza Matter fact there's been more than 15 stories that are exactly the same as Jesus and before Jesus was born. So Christianity didn't make this story up they actually stole the idea. Jesus is only been a savior for 1800 years. 2000 years last than Methirus.
Not only that but now I get to share in the suffering with my brothren overseas! Rejoicing isn't just for reward, but also that I get to suffer for His sake!
I don't care for arguing. So, instead of arguing, I'll pray for you! And, yes I forgive you. :)
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
@tazluvpizza You're praying for me..? Well that's a load of crap, he sounds so narcissistic and egotistical in your belief system. When you expect your Christian based on manipulation, segregation, discrimination and send it to your belief systems. I know how the game plays. I was once a pastor of the Christian church and I teach your belief system in force people into thinking just like you. I know how the game is played. Like I said you're a salesman with a mouthful of samples.
@tazluvpizza Submit to your belief systems, just like the Nazi party. You are no different from Adolf Hitler and his belief thinking. You believe in a Holocaust hell and belief system, that is based on people being tortured forever if you do not submit. If you support that you are just like every evil psychopath out there. You're not praying for me you just can't wait to see me burn in torture in hell.
@tazluvpizza submit to your belief systems, just like the Nazi party. Period you are no different from Adolf Hitler and his belief thinking. You believe in a Holocaust hell and belief system, that is based on people being tortured forever if you do not submit. If you support that you are just like every evil psychopath out there. You're not praying for me you just can't wait to see me burn in torture in hell.
@tazluvpizza So your ego can convince your own personal self, that you're right. It's based on your ego likes to conference. Shalala deep to its own use. In your own ego trip is caught in a trap that you were blind of something that you don't even see. Minute delayed by the control of your church and your belief system. You do it without question. You send it to a God, that is based on a Adolf Hitler archaic thinking on a fascist thinking based on no freedom.
@tazluvpizza what you just said, that you're praying for me. If so arrogant and egotistical by you in your peak ego mind. Once again Christianity and Islam is very good at showing their manipulation arrogance and most of all stupidity. Sorry your religion once again shows me how evil you really are. And evil is a state of mind based on ignorance. Not sure get out of free jail card gavel that you pretend play.
@suzukidas2 1 Peter 4:14-16 14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Praise God! Christ was glorified,cause of your persecution
GENESIS 6 & 7 Unhappy with the wickedness of man, God killed every living thing on the planet except Noah’s family. Men, women, infants and animals drowned in unimaginable terror and agony.
EXODUS 12: 29 God killed the first-born in every Egyptian home that wasn’t marked with lamb’s blood.
God, Taking it out on childern again..That very sick mind, for being all-powerful. But, resort to Killing, Torturing...I would never do something that evil. But our God DOES!
@tazluvpizza Your God Is An ASSHOLE..! and you know that, deep down inside... Therefore,I do not Believe in you Adolf Hitler GOD..you love so much... You support a Hateful Being..! Yes you do... Yes you do... That all you show me..
@tazluvpizza Look what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust. This is the guy you are preaching about to me. A persecuting God is based on narcissistic egotism and a paranoid Hitler wristed thinking. Persecution has no love persecution is not based on love. Persecution is based on hate in segregation and discrimination. Persecution is the ultimate evil
@tazluvpizza Persecution… Persecution is based on hate. Hate is based on persecution. Persecution is technically the most alternate evil. It is an alternate evil. Persecution is based on one's own arrogance and fascist way of thinking. Just like the Nazis did in Germany. It turned into a fascist regime and a persecuted people. Based on an objective and biased way of thinking through cruel forms. This is waht you are showing me about your GOD.. Yes you are
Praise Jesus! You're persecution of me just made me even more joyful! That's true joy! Now I know why the brothren rejoice when they recieve persecution. :)
I've got to go soon. Thanks for making my day so joyous. :) I can still pray for you even though I know you hate Jesus and you hate me. :)
@suzukidas2 But, before I get off, I have to take a lesson from Steaven. Lord Jesus, please don't hold his sin to his charge! Help him to see your grace and most precious light of truth! Pour on him mercy and compassion so that oneday he shall know You! It's in your name I ask dear Lord amen!
That's for making me have so much joy and a grin so big with His love!
@tazluvpizza Learn to save yourself instead of fining the Savior to do it for you. You want to save your to say you no matter how many unintelligent factors you enter into your life. It shows me pure of privacy and can't stand on your own 2 feet. And you support a tyrant arrogant egotistical God that tortures people in a Holocaust at Al which is based on fascism
@tazluvpizza just a little bit of history for you. Do you realize, Methirus, was considered to be the first Messiah for Christ four 3800 years before it disappeared. If you read the story about it, it's the same thing as Jesus story. Just so you know Jesus story isn't the only one that came up born of a virgin, did miracles, and rose from the dead to.
@ hrhjudy: lol people still believe in these myths? You speak like the ignorant uneducated lot from two thousand years ago who first concocted this archaic mambo jambo. Your silly little fairy tales are a waste of our time, instead do us all a favor and please go to your "heaven" so the rest of us rational free thinkers can go about bettering our future as a human race and not be bogged down by delusional nut jobs such as yourself. Have a pleasant day.
Religion is man made so the devil can do what he did to Jesus to those who belong to him on earth, since he plans to be the God of this world with the powers to match and cause all to believe his lies he will get rid of most opposition. God is not any man made religion, God has been around long before any of them. God is a Spirit and the devil is a spirit and only Gods Spirit can overcome the devil, either way man will serve the devil if they refuse to accept Christ for remission for thier sins
@hrhjudy You just said that religion is manmade. Then, proceeded to explain how your deity was the correct one to choose because there is another yet unseen deity fighting him. Fail. Heard the whole evangelical "we don't have a denomination or religion, we just believe in Jesus" before and it is BS. Believing in God is religion.
@KaHabbful God is not a religion, God is a Spirit.... he is not catholic, muslim, hindu, adventist, methodist, etc.... the devil has done well to confuse the world with religions, those who in it belong to thier religions more than God, those who see it as bad, dont want God or relgions so the devil wins all round, he sure will have many generations partake in his final destiny...who dont choose Jesus will worship satan, willingly or ignorantly but it will show in words and actions>
@hrhjudy It isn't my fault you don't understand the definition of religion. Stop arguing semantics and show some proof that the devil did all this stuff like create the religions that oppose yours. Until then what you say is akin to gibberish, nonsense, conjecture. You might as well be telling me about the tooth fairy that came and put a quarter under your pillow.
@KaHabbful proof,,, :) the devil will show you proof soon enough should you be around, he is a spirit as well and he knows their are many like yourself who want proof and he will give you so you believe his lies and worship him as God, he is a good counterfeit, thats why many celebrating Christmas and its pagan. ..
@KaHabbful im glad you heard it all before,, so you wont have any excuses....his love ensures his gospel is preached in all the world before he outpours his wrath... who wants to choose satan has patake in his final destiny... stay blessed..
@hrhjudy And acting smug and patronising people will not convert them, and will not make them like you. It also doesn't make you a good person just because you think you are right. Oh, but I am sure I will find out when I die, right? What a coward response
@KaHabbful no i dont try to make people like me, the things that i do, i dont look for approval from anyone, neither applause. only from my Father thank you. I dont think im right, I know im right, Jesus is the only truth and the only way to God, its your choice to believe it or not. well science will not stop men dieing, Jesus says the wages of sin is death, so those who reject God and his Son will not have forgiveness of sins.. so they do find out if they were correct the path they took.
@hrhjudy Its funny to see how you, paint a picture of this narcissistic, sadomasochist two-face segregationist, angry monster, of a killing machine. Your God is all-powerful and created everything. And your God created hell. Your God resorts to using violence and torturing. But your GOD has the power not to do so, but chooses to be cruel, anyways. I wonder who is really the sickest thing here.This character, your God you are talking about. Is cruelest, and uncompassionate monster I've ever heard
@hrhjudy also, I am an atheist. That means I don't believe in Satan, let alone worship him. This should go without saying but it is really actually funny that you are accusing someone who doesnt agree with you of worshipping Satan. It shows your stupidity.
@KaHabbful man cannot serve two masters so you either love one or hate the other, good or evil... God or satan..... what ever you say.. once you dont believe in God you will fight against him as many athiest do.
@KaHabbful the video is yours? so when you chasing me away remember i commented on the video, you commented to me and i responded, thats how it works, you cannot expect a response that you want, and i can goo on as long as your talking to me... anyway stay blessed.... in box me if you still want to talk... :)
Two ways to reconcile the argument for religiosity from birth and the belief in a benevolent creator: Either you dehumanize non-believers or you must devote your life to extreme proselytization, as it is now your duty to act on behalf of the benevolent god. I think history can show us how those scenarios turn out.
ive been watching a lot of things and the reason i dont like religion is becuase its one of the main things keeping us from evolving into a level one civilization.
I´m a taoist and view it more as an occultist philosophy than a religion and I LOVE your ideas !!Without secularism,religions set up oppression and obscurantism in the world,some more than others,of course,but they all tend to do it.
Actually, no there isn't a fallacy here. Since we understand the CAUSAL functions of neural activity ITSELF in a very real manner (that is, basically, it's the biochemical interactions of neuronal synapses -- basically), we infer that understanding experiences that happen in this sphere have the same "causal direction of the event-experience."
Let me be clear: unless you believe the BRAIN is God, then God can't be the "causal" direction of neurological action - period.
I think the word religion and faith need to get pulled back into reality for what their root meanings are. Or more directly we need the nouns of the terms less focused on and there verb meanings more the point. Example : you could describe an act that one does every day something that one does religiously. And having faith is merely the act of believing in something inparticular. Faith is a tool to augment perception , the trick is to use it in posotives vs negatives.
@Mk101T How can faith be a "tool to augment perception?" Faith denies all tools. Faith is belief without evidence. When you cross the street, don't you look both ways? Or, do you use the "tool" of faith to cross without looking and get run over by a bus?
@Mk101T How can faith be a "tool to augment perception?" Faith denies all tools. Faith is belief without evidence. When you cross the street, don't you look both ways? Or, do you use the "tool" of faith to cross without looking and get run over by a bus?
If there is a God, God would be bigger than one religion. I don't believe in the personification of deities, nor a monotheistic sense .. however I'm Pantheist, I believe everything is (God).
Yes, since these dogmas are so implausible, yet so many people believe in them, does that mean that these people are essentially stupid and cannot think?
@veronicats100 let us say that they are tremendously misinformed and muddled.. and ignorant. They believe for reasons that cognitive neuroscience can best explain..
Sam fails to recognize what even high school students debate about and makes sens of in religion classes (that's what happens when you're raised without God awareness in the home):
Judaism is essentially a prototype of Christianity. Islam is a Christian heresy. REASON can clearly show how Jesus fulfills the Old Testament, and how Islam perverts Christian truth. It's not hard, Sam, but you have to spend more time first of all just being honest -- making each sentence honest.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital structures, organs, reproductive system were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life and the universe work don’t mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete and living cell, the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when no directing code or mechanisms existed in nature?
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith science supports. Natural laws explain how an airplane or a cell works, but undirected natural laws cannot bring about either. Once there's a complete cell, the code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when there was no directing code.
SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER CREATED LIFE. And, even if they do it won't be by chance but by intelligent design. By genetically engineering already existing forms of life, scientists have produced new forms of life, but they did not produce these new life forms from non-living matter. Even in synthetic life, scientists design and build DNA from scratch, through intelligent design, and then insert their man-made DNA into an already living cell. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST prevents macro-evolution. Natural selection wouldn't preserve the evolution of new traits because they wouldn't have any survival value. A partially-evolved hand evolving from a previous trait, partially-evolved tissues, organs, biological structures would make a species unfit for survival. There are no fossils of partially-evolved species. All species of plants and animals in the fossil record are complete and fully-formed. They came into existence as complete!
NEW SPECIES: Although new species have come into existence, they don't carry any new genes. They've become new species only because they can't be crossed back with the original parent stock for various biological reasons. A biological "kind" allows for new species but not new genes. Nature has no ability to invent new genes for new traits. Only limited variations and adaptations are possible in nature, and all strictly within a biological "kind" (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.).
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
"JUNK DNA" ISN'T JUNK: Recent research shows that these segments of DNA are vital in regulating gene expression (when, where, and how genes are expressed). There's no room for random mutations to operate safely. Random mutations, from radiation, are destructive. Even for every good one there would be hundreds of harmful ones with the net effect, over time, causing harm and even extinction, not upward evolution. Genetic similarities are better explained due to a common design for common purposes.
DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless
HOW DOES DNA MAKE A BODY? When you divide a cake the parts are smaller than the original cake and the cake never gets bigger. When we were a cell and that cell divided, the new cells were the same size as the original cell and we got bigger. New material had to come from somewhere. That new material came from food. The sequence in our DNA directed our mother's food we received in the womb to become new cells forming all the tissues and organs of our body. Read my article: HOW DID MY DNA MAKE ME?
HUMAN EMBRYO doesn't have true gills or tail. These and other arguments have long been discarded by most evolutionists and not supported by any modern embryologist. Then, what are these structures? Read "Does The Human Embryo Go Through Animal Stages" at the Institute for Creation Research site. Briefly, what look like gills are early formation of facial and throat regions. What looks like a tail is the coccyx which grows faster than the rest of the body. The coccyx supports the pelvic muscles.
DISORDER IN THE UNIVERSE is no argument against God's existence. The disorder is because of chance and entropy, but the order can only be rationally explained due to design. If I discovered a broken watch on the ground, the disorder is no evidence that there wasn't a designer behind the watch. Please read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
BURDEN OF PROOF: Anyone who claims the level of complexity and order in life and the universe happened by chance has the burden of proof. Many atheists think they have no burden of proof because they’re not claiming the existence of something. That is not true. Atheists are claiming something. They are claiming that we are here by chance and atheists expect for everyone to accept that claim on faith because they certainly can’t prove it. Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ALL RELIGIONS, except for Christianity, teach that man can save himself. Only Christianity teaches man cannot save himself and that salvation is by God's grace (unmerited favor) through faith in Jesus Christ Who paid for our sins through His death and shed blood on the Cross and Who rose bodily from the grave. That faith in Him, if genuine, will produce good works, but we are not saved by those works. There are only two religions: the religions of works and the religion of grace.
Kind of stating the obvious. People with a big religiosity section in their brains will be impervious to any word of it, though. It's like trying to tell republicans that billionaires should pay their fair share of taxes. There is no point of logic that can persuade people whose brains are skewed in this way. There's something inferior about their brains. They cannot be tamed with reason. Thank Jefferson for the first amendment and our secular tradition which is our only civilizing influence.
I think, Sam, that finding flaws in the teachings of any religion other than Catholicism is relatively easy. I would challenge you to find errors, or lack of reasoning of any kind, in the OFFICIAL teaching of the Catholic Church. Good luck. I have several university degrees, am at least as critical as you, and I couldn't do it. I would PAY YOU to find one unreasonable statement in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (sins of Catholics are irrelevant to the teaching, as logic dictates)
@patientthomist The current Pope is known for being against the usage of condoms and most modern means of birth control in general. And he assumes this clearly harmful position based on his belief that an old book of religious writings holds the absolute truth about the universe.
On a side note, all religions are harmful because they encourage their followers to believe things for which there's no evidence. E.g. they oppose critical thinking.
You misunderstand the Catholic teaching on condom use. Examine the purpose of the sexual act that every honest person acknowledges -- unity, openness to new life, and the secondary effect of pleasure (nobody honestly has sex just to burn calories). The Catholic view on the sexual act is a YES to ALL, since this is God's design. The modernist view is that we can shut down the purpose as we design. Condom use is the latex "no" to unity and openness to new life.
@patientthomist "Examine the purpose of the sexual act that every honest person acknowledges -- unity, openness to new life, and the secondary effect of pleasure"
You've basically described the Catholic church's view of sex and then ascribed it to "every honest person." There is no reason to think those three things are always the purpose of sex. And I find it highly suspicious you specifically said the "secondary effect" of pleasure, as if sex for pleasure is just some awful moral deficiency.
Not at all johnjsal. I'm just pointing out the biology of it ... unitive processes and openness to new life is, as you know, what happens with sperm, egg, etc. ... pleasure is in the brain (secondary effect) ... not awful at all. The Catholic view on pleasure is massively misrepresented ... think of all the historically Catholic cultures ... always the most passionate cultures ... French, Spanish, Italian, etc ... passion and Catholicism mix well ... next post
@patientthomist Why sex even evolved at all is still debated among scientists, but given that it exists, the purpose is to reproduce (which results in the propagation of the species). Naturally, humans are advanced enough not to simply have sex for this mechanistic purpose of producing baby after baby, but that's the biological purpose. But this is not "openness to new life" -- that phrase drips with Catholic dogma. And "unity" is not necessarily a result of sex either.
If you ask me why people have sex NOW (as opposed to what the biological purpose of sex is), then it could be for many reasons, including unity, pleasure, or reproduction. But none of those reasons is necessary, and any of them could be absent when two people have sex.
Only if you assume from the beginning that sex must be for all three of those things (as Catholic dogma assumes) will you be able to make the point you want to make.
What other reasons are there, johnjsal? You seem to think there are other reasons. I'm just talking about observing nature ... don't have to be Catholic to notice those 3 reasons I suggested. The Catholic view is that all 3 should be present together, since that is the fullness of being of the sexual act. Since God is the absolute fullness of being, whose existence can be proven by reason, the sexaul act images God when there is fullness of being .... next post
@patientthomist "The Catholic view is that all 3 should be present together"
That's my point. That's the CATHOLIC VIEW. Yet in the post I originally responded to, you said "every honest person" identifies those three reasons as the purpose of sex. My argument is that you presume the truth of the Catholic view, force it into the discussion as the view of everyone, and don't acknowledge that people can have sex for ANY of those reasons, but not necessarily all of them at once.
I agree that people have sex for any of those reasons, as you say. I don't think one has to be Catholic to recognize that that the three together is the fullness of being of the sexual act. That's clear without any reference to Jesus. Three is more than one or two. Anything which has the fullness of being according to its nature is good, since by reason (not faith) we see good as something existing in its fullness (e.g. a man with 2 arms and not 1 arm).
Your explanation is still rife with faith-speak. What is "the fullness of being of the sexual act"? It means nothing outside of your Catholic perspective. Having sex for three reasons instead of one or two reasons means nothing more than that you are having sex for more reasons! This whole "fullness of being" talk is nothing but religious dogma meant to sound rational or natural, as if it makes sense to someone who hasn't already accepted the Catholic view of sex.
"Fullness of being" is not faith speak. A man who has 2 arms has more fullness of being than a man with no arms -- don't need to be Catholic to see that. You talk about "other reasons" why people have sex ... what are they? You never name them.
Unless by "fullness of being" you mean nothing more than an objective statement of fact, such as when I said "sex for a less number of reasons," or "has fewer arms," then I reject your comparison. And of course you DO mean something more than a statement of fact -- you imply a moral consequence of your so-called "fullness of being," i.e. that sex without this fullness is immoral. Unless you think having one arm is immoral, there is no comparison.
@patientthomist "You talk about "other reasons" why people have sex ... what are they? You never name them. "
I said there COULD be other reasons, merely because I didn't want to be so presumptuous as to declare (as you do) that there are ONLY three reasons anyone would ever have sex. But even if those three reasons really are the only reasons, my argument still stands. I'm saying sex does not have to be had for all of those reasons at once, you're saying it does.
I'm saying people do have sex for 1 or more of those reasons, but for the act to "resemble God", all three must be present, since God is the fullness of being. The three are meant to be together by design. You would have some serious work cut out for you to try to prove that "it doesn't matter if we separate them from each other". Rape, for example, separates pleasure from unity. Beastiality separates pleasure from unity and openness to life. Are you in favour of those sex acts?
Sex for pleasure without trying to grow closer to that person is rape? So two college kids who have sex with each other just for the fun of it, and never see each other again, raped each other? And if they happened to have used a condom, they committed bestiality?
You're getting very ridiculous now, and I'm not sure I'm going to be educated by you if I continue this discussion. Take care, but goodbye.
No, John. I did not say that all sexual acts that separate pleasure from unity are rape, but rape is that separation by category. In the same way, bestiality is not the only act that separates pleasure from unity and openness to life. Your examples are good ones, and do show how premarital sex and condom use are deprived in the same category, although we could show of course how much more depraved rape and bestiality are.
I assume you're not OK with those acts, and I hope that you would consider those acts evil. But why are they evil? The division of purposes, which we have no right to do.
@thenofxer Atheism has no moral standing. No future. No hope other than "in the now". There is no meaning other than what you make up to console yourself with while facing the fact that one day, inevitably, not only will you not exist, but nothing that you did or anything that has happened makes a difference or even matters in the slightest. You are as worthless as a rock in atheism.
Sure atheism has none of those attributes, people do. Atheist just tend to think about their ethics more deeply.
So you'd rather take wishful thinking and the hysterical testimony of ignorant bronze age peoples trying to console themselves as value in your life? Oh you are so special, god made you and died for a weekend just for you in a system he made just for you! Even made the stars just to amuse us! Just be sure to love him or you'll be worth less than a rock to him.
@Chinomareno OOOoooo. Angst-y...lol. Atheists have no morals, ethics or values other than what they borrow from religion. Who decides what is "right" or "wrong" without an outside and objective source? No one, that's who. It's simply majority/power rules with atheism. There is no true right or wrong.
Atheism/atheists are devoid of any true goodness. They are insects at best.
(And you mocking a religion you know obviously nothing about is hysterical!) :D
What outside objective source? Which religion is objective? Which religion has proof it's true? Theists can't rationally establish anything, let alone claim their belief is objective
Ever thought maybe morals come from *gasp* ourselves? Unless you are a complete dogmatist religion is buffet style pick and choose what suites your ethics,nothing more.
I know more about Christianity than you can imagine, unless you are dishonest it becomes impossible to believe after examination.
@Chinomareno YOU know more. Right. Anyway, back to reality. Who decides, then, what is moral and what isn't? You? The 'majority'? One person says eating animals is moral and ok, yet another says it's immoral and wrong. Well, which one is right?
The same way people started decided burning witches was immoral.
Yea, I usually like to think about why things are wrong or right rather than accepting someone else's word for it. If you deffer to the opinions of the ignorant writers of holy texts you get garbage like witch burning and justification for grilling heretics.
Think for a moment before asking me stupid questions. You want my opinion on animal welfare or should I deffer that to a book? I don't think it's immoral, I'm bias toward my own species. Relevance? zero.
You could say universally wearing pink socks is immoral in the same way eating shellfish is immoral for Jews, at which point you'd have to justify why you think that is or just be ignored. Simple right? no need for an appeal to authority.
@Chinomareno Ok, Obviously I have to simplify this for you. Take ANY subject with two opposing views. Who is to say who is right and who is wrong? I say eating shellfish is morally ok yet Jews and Muslims think it is unclean and immoral. Well, who is right? We can't both be right. Capital punishment, some say morally justified and others say it's immoral. Who is right? See, if you leave only people to pick and choose what is moral, you will be left with an immoral world. atheism=fail
Who else picks morals? You obviously picked yours when you went with a religion, you just took some else's words as right instead of thinking about the consequences for yourself. Just like you, the Jews and the Muslims cannot justify why they take some things as being immoral and they disagree with your position completely in some cases. So if I were to ask the same retarded question you posed, what gives you authority to tell them their beliefs are immoral? Just arrogance.
@LordWhorfinX2 It seems to me that you are disproving your own position and completely agreeing with Chinomareno. You are correct, take ANY subject with two opposing views. Just the fact that the opposing views exist in the first place completely refutes any claims to divine or universal morality. What would a moral world look like as compared to an immoral world? Isn't it simply in everyone's best interest to act in a socially acceptable way since we all rely on each other?
@LordWhorfinX2 It seems to me that you are disproving your own position and completely agreeing with Chinomareno. You are correct, take ANY subject with two opposing views. Just the fact that the opposing views exist in the first place completely refutes any claims to divine or universal morality. What would a moral world look like as compared to an immoral world? Isn't it simply in everyone's best interest to act in a socially acceptable way since we all rely on each other?
Also, from an objective observer of your conversation. You were the one dodging the real questions. Answer your own questions. Who is right when it comes to any moral issue? Where is your god when it comes to actually making moral decisions. Chin has every reason to bring up burnings, slavery, rape, war, all of which are explicitly endorsed by god in the bible along with most every other immoral atrocity you can imagine. If this is the source of your personal morality, you are immoral.
@LordWhorfinX2 I don't know, I have a very high IQ and I'm reading the bible right now. This is the biggest, nastiest pile of nonsense I have ever read, hands down. Perhaps your local reverend has a more flowery interpretation of it, but have you actually read it? It's even worse than I ever thought it could be. It's all right there in black and white. This is not a book to get moral values from AT ALL. It's a freaking nightmare.
@LordWhorfinX2 Well, I suppose that is a relative statement so you could certainly say it's subjective in some ways. I'd say hitting the 98 percentile end of the statistical spectrum qualifies by my standards, so I hold by my earlier statement. Way to attack the person instead of the idea, classic. I only mentioned the IQ thing in the first place to perhaps indicate that I am capable of reading and understanding an old book of fairy tales. Justify your fantasy all you like.
@AliburX Ok, can you prove it? Prove to us how your IQ is off the charts. Otherwise, it simply isn't true, you're a liar and you're boring. Extraordinary claims......and all that jazz.. lol Put up or shut up. (Prediction - you will come back with "prove God first" to avoid having to prove anything yourself, am I right?) ;)
So Harris, what about the Old Testament? Is that also in conflict? You state the Koran & the Gospel are in conflict but that is false. The Moslems believe in the Prophecies that Jesus foretold. And what is the purpose of the Talmud? Do you also condemn that? You leave too much out to draw any conclusions.
ZEDSTODT2 3 days ago
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zacthebold 2 weeks ago
If you were not already married, I'd be proposing to you.
d33stacked 2 weeks ago
the right religion is ISLAM , i'm proud to be muslim ,, and i respect all other religions , but islam still the best
RayMusicable 3 weeks ago
@RayMusicable cool story bro. i believe we are all piss ants and we should suck our own dicks. and i think adultery is awesome!
JohnPetrucci251 2 weeks ago
This bitter arguing is just fueling anger. So, instead of continuing something rather pointless I ask my brothers and sisters in Christ to join me in praying for your soul.
Finally, I ask my Father in heaven to draw you to His Son Jesus. I now put you in His hands and ask Him to have mercy and compassion on you. It's in Jesus' name I ask amen.
tazluvpizza 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza You anger is within your mind I can give Jesus some credit. But the thing you keep missing that you don't get. And I've studied this for years, and even back when I was a pastor. Jesus said, "the kingdom of heaven is within". The more you study the metaphysical understanding of that is based on a state of mind. Jesus did not want the glory for himself, he wanted people to take responsibility of themselves, and on the kingdom of heaven within.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Spirituality isn't clinging onto a savior. You need a Savior, to save you no matter how many unintelligent factors you throw, into your life. That's called clinging onto something and that's not good. That doesn't help you to get to your goal. The kingdom of heaven with in is strictly self responsibility within oneself. It's when you start learning to save yourself and learn to be your own Savior. Jesus would never have a problem with this.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Jesus would want you to stop hanging onto him and start doing it for yourself. This is true spirituality. True spirituality is really the understanding of nothingness. Meditating on the basis of nothingness. The more you understand that the more you will understand this thing. You will understand what Jesus meant by picking them up having is within. If you were responsible up your own personal self. And there is no hell. But you are to afaid..
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 "Jesus would want you to stop hanging onto him and start doing it for yourself. " Jesus taught not to worry - leave everything to biblegod. Give up all your worldly possessions, don't worry about what you will eat or where you will sleep...God will provide. He even implies special privileges in heaven if followers leave their family and friends in their pursuit of faith.
But of course, the schizophrenic bible also claims that God helps those who help themselves. Go figure.
TheHigherVoltage 3 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage Your Bible God!? Okay let's talk about your Bible God. Your Bible God, that promotes slavery, mass genocide, killing innocent young children, promoting looting, promoting rape, incest, and creating one of the worst in sickest Holocaust of the concentration camp called Hell. Your Bible God, which is all-powerful resorts to. Cruel murderous acts, and crimes against humanity. Yet that's sure Bible God. You really like. To this fascist, dictator of a madman, your Bible God.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 You must have misread, or misconstrued my comment. Try reading it again.
TheHigherVoltage 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 (CONT) Specifically, my comment to you was to point out that Jesus (if he even existed) didn't teach self-reliance, as your comment "Jesus would want you to stop hanging onto him and start doing it for yourself. " implies. He was consistent with the bible --> submit and obey or burn.
TheHigherVoltage 3 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage Sorry I did missread it.. thank you for pointing out the fact that Christians and Islam, support a fascist neo-Nazi regime for religion and belief system. Yes you're right their fascist God. Their neo-Nazi God, that persecutes people through his narcissistic capricious, sadomasochist, and God's hatred and madness to all. This God should be put on trial for crimes against humanity. What a sick bastard.
suzukidas2 2 weeks ago
@TheHigherVoltage Your Bible God is like Adolf Hitler in Germany back in World War persecuting people, killing people, and torturing people, just because they need their glory, they need to be prayed to.You saying I taking God out of contan taking Hitler out of context. It's very clear what your Bible God does. Would you like me to give you Bible versus; I have a whole bunch of them. I see you just cherry pick the Bible, or you just try to distance yourself of your sadomasochist, violent God
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Stop clinging onto books, and the Bible, to help you out. It's all within you it's a matter of time when you figure it out. A quick clinging onto saviors and learn to have a Buddha mind a Jesus mind and eventually you can do that you can actually learn what true bliss is really all about. And then you can let go of ideological police systems that people have manipulated on you. Because you never question why you have your belief system.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Good luck with your controlled belief system..You cling onto it because somebody put the fear of hell in torture on you. So you cling hard so you make sure you're on the right side, just like Islam does. Both of you think the other is going to Hell...base on you control belief system. And that's based on ego and there is no kingdom of heaven within that. The Kingdom of Heaven within is in the state of Nothingness, which is part of you...
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza That's why you joined your belief system. Because you've created a self the filling control system. The cheaply deaf dumb and blind to it. Go forth and enjoy your fantasy world. Fiction must be beautiful to you.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza I love how you try to justify, and convert your belief systems on me. The truth behind it, you are trying to convert me so you can reconfirm your belief systems. Yes, you are trying to, reconfirm, your belief systems on me. Yes you are. This way you can sleep better at night, this way you will think in your mind that you have control of this thing, because fear of not having control scares you. Through Guilt and Fear, you create.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Just so you know I was never angy at you. You thinking is very sick...But You are...Angry inside... Peace to you
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
Christianity and Islam Create a God of Hate, and being very Cruel
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
Christianity and Islam is Sick and Scary..They are the real monster of life...
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
Let's look at Exodus Deuteronomy and Leviticus Ezekiel and Isaiah Hosea, many times God is ordering mass slaughtering, killing of children, old men and women. The slaughter of innocent animals, and women that are pregnant to. God own people were order by God; ordering them to loot a city kill everybody, and burned to kill people bodies. As a sacrificial reference to Christian and Islam, narcissistic arrogant egotistical God. Now the sick part is. GOD the Child Killer in the Bible.. What an ass
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 i think your comment at me is too far down but i saw it in my email, anyway you should be thanking God, he said the wages of sin is death, his love is what have generations still going on today. Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned, maybe you want God to be the way you think he should be, sorry but , he is a God of mercy and justice, I wont cast too many pearls, but only to say repent and accept Jesus before its too late.. have a good day:)
hrhjudy 3 weeks ago
@hrhjudy Don't try to twist this around. I'm not the one trying to create a God that fits for me. Your God is not merciful or just. Especially, if you don't buy into Islam or Christianity's belief system that is based on how you guys what your God to act like your world. It's submit and pray to a narcissistic God, or else, you will burn in torture in hell. That obligation and there is no justification in that cruelty.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
i feel your pain, but thats only if i think on it from a carnal minded perspective. why do you think science cannot stop people dieing?.... because God says the wages for disobeying him is death. what you think happens if no penalties are thier for disobeying the law of man. you are searching, but being carnally minded means you are also fighting the one whom you seek. Anyway bye, i have videos if you wish to get to know Jesus... bye.. :)
hrhjudy 3 weeks ago
@hrhjudy I'm not feeling any pain towards anything. Life and death is always happen on this Earth. And there is no God doing this. You just support a belief system that is based on segregation and a God that acts like Adolf Hitler in a belief system based on a fascist regime thinking. You just don't know how manipulative you sound. Death doesn't bother me or change. It's just the process of life it always has been and that is beautiful.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@hrhjudy I hate to give you a hard time but I know about the Bible and Christianity better than you think. I'll give you a little hint, I used to be a pastor for Christian church. An ice taught Bible study in theology to people at my church. But the more I learned about the Bible and the truth behind it. The more I found its problems in the truth came clear about Christianity. It is in the control business and it always has been. Read your history
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 ah well :) here's a good note to end on:) in relation to you saying you use to be a Pastor. It is worth remembering that all whom the Father has given the Son, he will not lose, so you may just have been one of Lucifer's ministers or righteousness. If you dig deep you may just remember where the Bible scriptures in relation to what I note here is taken from. its one thing to know about God, quite another to know him. Hope to see you in better days :)
hrhjudy 2 weeks ago
@hrhjudy Your GOD is Lucifer... God is the cruelest bully I have ever read in any book. Your God creates a hell like a Holocaust, as Hitler did with the Jews. If people who did not submit to a belief system, or do not pray to your narcissistic, arrogant, egotistical God. That like Hitler..So yes I got to know you God in the Bible, it is the worst villain, it is the worst maniac, and it is the evilest thing I have ever heard or read about. This God in the Bible is EVIL... God Is Satan
suzukidas2 2 weeks ago
@hrhjudy You good at cerry picking the Bible and your Belief system to work for you. You see you need me to believe like you and to submit to you Belief. so you can conferm to yourself, that you are right. So you can feel better about your Belief, so you can sleep better at night. You are so afaid of your God because you know the Cruelness you GOD will do. TORTURE for ever and ever... You don't question, because you live in fear of you Evil Hitler God
suzukidas2 2 weeks ago
Ok let's just get over all the Bible contradictions. Because this is why Muslims become more arrogant. This is a Muslims favourite argument: "The Bible has been corrupted by humans therefore God had to remind us, whereas the Quran remains the same, therefore it is the REAL DEAL".. So , if God knew people would corrupt the Bible and there would be a need for a 3rd reminder (quran), and if god knew this would lead to MILLIONS of deaths, WHY didn't he just send the QURAN to begin with?!!?
d33stacked 2 weeks ago
@d33stacked And please do not reply with "because its so detailed god couldn't just send all that information at once people wouldn't know how to handle it" (yes i have actually heard that argument used in the past). It's invalid because God is ALL Mighty and that would not have been an obstacle. And don't say because "its a test" because god already knows what will happen so to "test" humans knowing theyre going to fail miserably is just the lamesstttt argument ever.
d33stacked 2 weeks ago
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@hrhjudy Your justifications in your belief system sounds exactly like Adolf Hitler, and Stalin. But 1 trillion times worse. That's like people who supported Hitler, saying, Hitler doesn't want you to go to his Holocaust concentration camps. But you must submit it believe in him and you'll get all the good stuff out of the deal. Sounds like some form of bait and switch game. Or taking a child's hands enforcing them over a hot oven until your child submits. That sounds like your God
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
There's no such thing as the "true" or "right" religion. The only truth is Jesus Christ, religion won't help.
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@tazluvpizza You make the same speech as Islam does. Your Christianity, and Islam still are the most scariest and most dangerous and sickest religions I've ever known. But, the funny part is, you both sound like a bunch of salesmen with a mouthful of samples. Your twisted lies you try to manipulate on others, is downright the most stupid butts most sickening thing I've seen. Join your club and submit to your belief system, or else. You.. sounds like a fascist neo-Nazi religious party.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 Huh? This isn't about a religion. Religion can't save anyone, only Jesus can. Even if someone is part of a religious group, he/she still may be lost.
tazluvpizza 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza You sound like every other Muslim, giving me the same script to your magical play. First of all, you have nothing to support or back this up. Also, just like Islam, join your belief systems or else. Thus, your narcissistic God sends people to a Holocaust of a torturing place forever and ever. Not only is that sick, but downright mentally evil. Religion is the problem. Your belief system that you just showed the. You sound like the fascist neo-Nazi of spirituality. Just like Islam
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 I have to thank you. You're persecution is strengthing my relationship with Jesus. :) You're fulfilling what has already been said John 15:20 (scripture from biblegateway, KJV).
20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
and 2 Timothy 3:12
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
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tazluvpizza 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 I really have to thank you, because you just helped me get reward in heaven. :) I get to rejoice!
11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Matthew 5:11-12
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tazluvpizza 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Matter fact there's been more than 15 stories that are exactly the same as Jesus and before Jesus was born. So Christianity didn't make this story up they actually stole the idea. Jesus is only been a savior for 1800 years. 2000 years last than Methirus.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2
Not only that but now I get to share in the suffering with my brothren overseas! Rejoicing isn't just for reward, but also that I get to suffer for His sake!
I don't care for arguing. So, instead of arguing, I'll pray for you! And, yes I forgive you. :)
Matthew 5:44
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
tazluvpizza 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza You're praying for me..? Well that's a load of crap, he sounds so narcissistic and egotistical in your belief system. When you expect your Christian based on manipulation, segregation, discrimination and send it to your belief systems. I know how the game plays. I was once a pastor of the Christian church and I teach your belief system in force people into thinking just like you. I know how the game is played. Like I said you're a salesman with a mouthful of samples.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Submit to your belief systems, just like the Nazi party. You are no different from Adolf Hitler and his belief thinking. You believe in a Holocaust hell and belief system, that is based on people being tortured forever if you do not submit. If you support that you are just like every evil psychopath out there. You're not praying for me you just can't wait to see me burn in torture in hell.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
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@tazluvpizza submit to your belief systems, just like the Nazi party. Period you are no different from Adolf Hitler and his belief thinking. You believe in a Holocaust hell and belief system, that is based on people being tortured forever if you do not submit. If you support that you are just like every evil psychopath out there. You're not praying for me you just can't wait to see me burn in torture in hell.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza So your ego can convince your own personal self, that you're right. It's based on your ego likes to conference. Shalala deep to its own use. In your own ego trip is caught in a trap that you were blind of something that you don't even see. Minute delayed by the control of your church and your belief system. You do it without question. You send it to a God, that is based on a Adolf Hitler archaic thinking on a fascist thinking based on no freedom.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza what you just said, that you're praying for me. If so arrogant and egotistical by you in your peak ego mind. Once again Christianity and Islam is very good at showing their manipulation arrogance and most of all stupidity. Sorry your religion once again shows me how evil you really are. And evil is a state of mind based on ignorance. Not sure get out of free jail card gavel that you pretend play.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 1 Peter 4:14-16 14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Praise God! Christ was glorified,cause of your persecution
tazluvpizza 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Once again, Your a Mouth full of Sample...
Here something.
Bible Contradictions
Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.
Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.
Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
GENESIS 6 & 7 Unhappy with the wickedness of man, God killed every living thing on the planet except Noah’s family. Men, women, infants and animals drowned in unimaginable terror and agony.
EXODUS 12: 29 God killed the first-born in every Egyptian home that wasn’t marked with lamb’s blood.
God, Taking it out on childern again..That very sick mind, for being all-powerful. But, resort to Killing, Torturing...I would never do something that evil. But our God DOES!
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza
NUMBERS 16:27-33 The men were rebellious, so God caused the earth to open and swallow up the men, wives and children.
NUMBERS 16:35 A fire from God killed 250 Humans..
DEUTERONOMY 2:33-34 Under God’s leadership, the Israelites utterly destroyed the men, women and children of Sihon. "… no survivors."
DEUTERONOMY 3:6 Under God’s leadership, the Israelites destroyed the men, women and children of Og. They plundered the livestock and possessions.
You love this Monster..How sick
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Your God Is An ASSHOLE..! and you know that, deep down inside... Therefore,I do not Believe in you Adolf Hitler GOD..you love so much... You support a Hateful Being..! Yes you do... Yes you do... That all you show me..
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Look what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust. This is the guy you are preaching about to me. A persecuting God is based on narcissistic egotism and a paranoid Hitler wristed thinking. Persecution has no love persecution is not based on love. Persecution is based on hate in segregation and discrimination. Persecution is the ultimate evil
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Persecution… Persecution is based on hate. Hate is based on persecution. Persecution is technically the most alternate evil. It is an alternate evil. Persecution is based on one's own arrogance and fascist way of thinking. Just like the Nazis did in Germany. It turned into a fascist regime and a persecuted people. Based on an objective and biased way of thinking through cruel forms. This is waht you are showing me about your GOD.. Yes you are
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 biblegateway for the scriptures
Praise Jesus! You're persecution of me just made me even more joyful! That's true joy! Now I know why the brothren rejoice when they recieve persecution. :)
I've got to go soon. Thanks for making my day so joyous. :) I can still pray for you even though I know you hate Jesus and you hate me. :)
tazluvpizza 3 weeks ago
@suzukidas2 But, before I get off, I have to take a lesson from Steaven. Lord Jesus, please don't hold his sin to his charge! Help him to see your grace and most precious light of truth! Pour on him mercy and compassion so that oneday he shall know You! It's in your name I ask dear Lord amen!
That's for making me have so much joy and a grin so big with His love!
tazluvpizza 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza Learn to save yourself instead of fining the Savior to do it for you. You want to save your to say you no matter how many unintelligent factors you enter into your life. It shows me pure of privacy and can't stand on your own 2 feet. And you support a tyrant arrogant egotistical God that tortures people in a Holocaust at Al which is based on fascism
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@tazluvpizza just a little bit of history for you. Do you realize, Methirus, was considered to be the first Messiah for Christ four 3800 years before it disappeared. If you read the story about it, it's the same thing as Jesus story. Just so you know Jesus story isn't the only one that came up born of a virgin, did miracles, and rose from the dead to.
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
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check it out guys. unfalsafiability. you don't want to go down that road. You sound like a fucking DARE cop dude.
IndieAnthias 1 month ago
check it out guys. unfalsafiablility. you don't want do go down the road. You sound like a fucking DARE cop dude.
IndieAnthias 1 month ago
You seem fairly intelligent, and dont appear drunk, so why are you talking shite?
kennethalgar 1 month ago
@ hrhjudy: lol people still believe in these myths? You speak like the ignorant uneducated lot from two thousand years ago who first concocted this archaic mambo jambo. Your silly little fairy tales are a waste of our time, instead do us all a favor and please go to your "heaven" so the rest of us rational free thinkers can go about bettering our future as a human race and not be bogged down by delusional nut jobs such as yourself. Have a pleasant day.
Sailor1010 1 month ago
Religion is man made so the devil can do what he did to Jesus to those who belong to him on earth, since he plans to be the God of this world with the powers to match and cause all to believe his lies he will get rid of most opposition. God is not any man made religion, God has been around long before any of them. God is a Spirit and the devil is a spirit and only Gods Spirit can overcome the devil, either way man will serve the devil if they refuse to accept Christ for remission for thier sins
hrhjudy 1 month ago
@hrhjudy You just said that religion is manmade. Then, proceeded to explain how your deity was the correct one to choose because there is another yet unseen deity fighting him. Fail. Heard the whole evangelical "we don't have a denomination or religion, we just believe in Jesus" before and it is BS. Believing in God is religion.
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@KaHabbful God is not a religion, God is a Spirit.... he is not catholic, muslim, hindu, adventist, methodist, etc.... the devil has done well to confuse the world with religions, those who in it belong to thier religions more than God, those who see it as bad, dont want God or relgions so the devil wins all round, he sure will have many generations partake in his final destiny...who dont choose Jesus will worship satan, willingly or ignorantly but it will show in words and actions>
hrhjudy 1 month ago
@hrhjudy It isn't my fault you don't understand the definition of religion. Stop arguing semantics and show some proof that the devil did all this stuff like create the religions that oppose yours. Until then what you say is akin to gibberish, nonsense, conjecture. You might as well be telling me about the tooth fairy that came and put a quarter under your pillow.
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@KaHabbful proof,,, :) the devil will show you proof soon enough should you be around, he is a spirit as well and he knows their are many like yourself who want proof and he will give you so you believe his lies and worship him as God, he is a good counterfeit, thats why many celebrating Christmas and its pagan. ..
hrhjudy 1 month ago
@KaHabbful im glad you heard it all before,, so you wont have any excuses....his love ensures his gospel is preached in all the world before he outpours his wrath... who wants to choose satan has patake in his final destiny... stay blessed..
hrhjudy 1 month ago
@hrhjudy And acting smug and patronising people will not convert them, and will not make them like you. It also doesn't make you a good person just because you think you are right. Oh, but I am sure I will find out when I die, right? What a coward response
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@KaHabbful no i dont try to make people like me, the things that i do, i dont look for approval from anyone, neither applause. only from my Father thank you. I dont think im right, I know im right, Jesus is the only truth and the only way to God, its your choice to believe it or not. well science will not stop men dieing, Jesus says the wages of sin is death, so those who reject God and his Son will not have forgiveness of sins.. so they do find out if they were correct the path they took.
hrhjudy 1 month ago
@hrhjudy Its funny to see how you, paint a picture of this narcissistic, sadomasochist two-face segregationist, angry monster, of a killing machine. Your God is all-powerful and created everything. And your God created hell. Your God resorts to using violence and torturing. But your GOD has the power not to do so, but chooses to be cruel, anyways. I wonder who is really the sickest thing here.This character, your God you are talking about. Is cruelest, and uncompassionate monster I've ever heard
suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
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suzukidas2 3 weeks ago
@hrhjudy also, I am an atheist. That means I don't believe in Satan, let alone worship him. This should go without saying but it is really actually funny that you are accusing someone who doesnt agree with you of worshipping Satan. It shows your stupidity.
KaHabbful 1 month ago
@KaHabbful man cannot serve two masters so you either love one or hate the other, good or evil... God or satan..... what ever you say.. once you dont believe in God you will fight against him as many athiest do.
hrhjudy 1 month ago
@KaHabbful the video is yours? so when you chasing me away remember i commented on the video, you commented to me and i responded, thats how it works, you cannot expect a response that you want, and i can goo on as long as your talking to me... anyway stay blessed.... in box me if you still want to talk... :)
hrhjudy 1 month ago
Faith is simply the absence of reason.
ThePackerologist 1 month ago
Two ways to reconcile the argument for religiosity from birth and the belief in a benevolent creator: Either you dehumanize non-believers or you must devote your life to extreme proselytization, as it is now your duty to act on behalf of the benevolent god. I think history can show us how those scenarios turn out.
johnjemison 1 month ago
ive been watching a lot of things and the reason i dont like religion is becuase its one of the main things keeping us from evolving into a level one civilization.
thndrking4 1 month ago
I´m a taoist and view it more as an occultist philosophy than a religion and I LOVE your ideas !!Without secularism,religions set up oppression and obscurantism in the world,some more than others,of course,but they all tend to do it.
Gwynsek 1 month ago
Not a religious person but why do I read YouTube comments on videos like these. I've lost faith in humanity.
zoidberg96913 1 month ago
@fuck192ass
Actually, no there isn't a fallacy here. Since we understand the CAUSAL functions of neural activity ITSELF in a very real manner (that is, basically, it's the biochemical interactions of neuronal synapses -- basically), we infer that understanding experiences that happen in this sphere have the same "causal direction of the event-experience."
Let me be clear: unless you believe the BRAIN is God, then God can't be the "causal" direction of neurological action - period.
KerrinScott 1 month ago 8
I think the word religion and faith need to get pulled back into reality for what their root meanings are. Or more directly we need the nouns of the terms less focused on and there verb meanings more the point. Example : you could describe an act that one does every day something that one does religiously. And having faith is merely the act of believing in something inparticular. Faith is a tool to augment perception , the trick is to use it in posotives vs negatives.
Mk101T 1 month ago
@Mk101T The reason Im mentioning this. Is then we can define postulates and actions in a clearer fashion. To be beneficial to life or non beneficial.
Plus I kinda thought it goes along with what Sam says in another video about not using the word athiest any more.
Mk101T 1 month ago
@Mk101T How can faith be a "tool to augment perception?" Faith denies all tools. Faith is belief without evidence. When you cross the street, don't you look both ways? Or, do you use the "tool" of faith to cross without looking and get run over by a bus?
politicoochie09 1 month ago
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@Mk101T How can faith be a "tool to augment perception?" Faith denies all tools. Faith is belief without evidence. When you cross the street, don't you look both ways? Or, do you use the "tool" of faith to cross without looking and get run over by a bus?
politicoochie09 1 month ago
If there is a God, God would be bigger than one religion. I don't believe in the personification of deities, nor a monotheistic sense .. however I'm Pantheist, I believe everything is (God).
JigglesJingle 2 months ago
My religion is nature :)
fernandatralala 2 months ago 6
Yes, since these dogmas are so implausible, yet so many people believe in them, does that mean that these people are essentially stupid and cannot think?
veronicats100 2 months ago
@veronicats100 let us say that they are tremendously misinformed and muddled.. and ignorant. They believe for reasons that cognitive neuroscience can best explain..
daNDayati 2 months ago
Sam fails to recognize what even high school students debate about and makes sens of in religion classes (that's what happens when you're raised without God awareness in the home):
Judaism is essentially a prototype of Christianity. Islam is a Christian heresy. REASON can clearly show how Jesus fulfills the Old Testament, and how Islam perverts Christian truth. It's not hard, Sam, but you have to spend more time first of all just being honest -- making each sentence honest.
patientthomist 3 months ago
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 3 months ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 3 months ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 3 months ago
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THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
Mogley52 3 months ago
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital structures, organs, reproductive system were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life and the universe work don’t mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete and living cell, the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when no directing code or mechanisms existed in nature?
Mogley52 3 months ago
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WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith science supports. Natural laws explain how an airplane or a cell works, but undirected natural laws cannot bring about either. Once there's a complete cell, the code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when there was no directing code.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER CREATED LIFE. And, even if they do it won't be by chance but by intelligent design. By genetically engineering already existing forms of life, scientists have produced new forms of life, but they did not produce these new life forms from non-living matter. Even in synthetic life, scientists design and build DNA from scratch, through intelligent design, and then insert their man-made DNA into an already living cell. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
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THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
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ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
Mogley52 3 months ago
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 months ago
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST prevents macro-evolution. Natural selection wouldn't preserve the evolution of new traits because they wouldn't have any survival value. A partially-evolved hand evolving from a previous trait, partially-evolved tissues, organs, biological structures would make a species unfit for survival. There are no fossils of partially-evolved species. All species of plants and animals in the fossil record are complete and fully-formed. They came into existence as complete!
Mogley52 3 months ago
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NEW SPECIES: Although new species have come into existence, they don't carry any new genes. They've become new species only because they can't be crossed back with the original parent stock for various biological reasons. A biological "kind" allows for new species but not new genes. Nature has no ability to invent new genes for new traits. Only limited variations and adaptations are possible in nature, and all strictly within a biological "kind" (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.).
Mogley52 3 months ago
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 months ago
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"JUNK DNA" ISN'T JUNK: Recent research shows that these segments of DNA are vital in regulating gene expression (when, where, and how genes are expressed). There's no room for random mutations to operate safely. Random mutations, from radiation, are destructive. Even for every good one there would be hundreds of harmful ones with the net effect, over time, causing harm and even extinction, not upward evolution. Genetic similarities are better explained due to a common design for common purposes.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless
Mogley52 3 months ago
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HOW DOES DNA MAKE A BODY? When you divide a cake the parts are smaller than the original cake and the cake never gets bigger. When we were a cell and that cell divided, the new cells were the same size as the original cell and we got bigger. New material had to come from somewhere. That new material came from food. The sequence in our DNA directed our mother's food we received in the womb to become new cells forming all the tissues and organs of our body. Read my article: HOW DID MY DNA MAKE ME?
Mogley52 3 months ago
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HUMAN EMBRYO doesn't have true gills or tail. These and other arguments have long been discarded by most evolutionists and not supported by any modern embryologist. Then, what are these structures? Read "Does The Human Embryo Go Through Animal Stages" at the Institute for Creation Research site. Briefly, what look like gills are early formation of facial and throat regions. What looks like a tail is the coccyx which grows faster than the rest of the body. The coccyx supports the pelvic muscles.
Mogley52 3 months ago
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DISORDER IN THE UNIVERSE is no argument against God's existence. The disorder is because of chance and entropy, but the order can only be rationally explained due to design. If I discovered a broken watch on the ground, the disorder is no evidence that there wasn't a designer behind the watch. Please read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
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BURDEN OF PROOF: Anyone who claims the level of complexity and order in life and the universe happened by chance has the burden of proof. Many atheists think they have no burden of proof because they’re not claiming the existence of something. That is not true. Atheists are claiming something. They are claiming that we are here by chance and atheists expect for everyone to accept that claim on faith because they certainly can’t prove it. Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 3 months ago
ALL RELIGIONS, except for Christianity, teach that man can save himself. Only Christianity teaches man cannot save himself and that salvation is by God's grace (unmerited favor) through faith in Jesus Christ Who paid for our sins through His death and shed blood on the Cross and Who rose bodily from the grave. That faith in Him, if genuine, will produce good works, but we are not saved by those works. There are only two religions: the religions of works and the religion of grace.
Mogley52 3 months ago
Kind of stating the obvious. People with a big religiosity section in their brains will be impervious to any word of it, though. It's like trying to tell republicans that billionaires should pay their fair share of taxes. There is no point of logic that can persuade people whose brains are skewed in this way. There's something inferior about their brains. They cannot be tamed with reason. Thank Jefferson for the first amendment and our secular tradition which is our only civilizing influence.
brisketslapper 3 months ago
All religion is bullshit/
ZerkosXD 3 months ago
I think, Sam, that finding flaws in the teachings of any religion other than Catholicism is relatively easy. I would challenge you to find errors, or lack of reasoning of any kind, in the OFFICIAL teaching of the Catholic Church. Good luck. I have several university degrees, am at least as critical as you, and I couldn't do it. I would PAY YOU to find one unreasonable statement in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (sins of Catholics are irrelevant to the teaching, as logic dictates)
patientthomist 4 months ago
@patientthomist The current Pope is known for being against the usage of condoms and most modern means of birth control in general. And he assumes this clearly harmful position based on his belief that an old book of religious writings holds the absolute truth about the universe.
On a side note, all religions are harmful because they encourage their followers to believe things for which there's no evidence. E.g. they oppose critical thinking.
enyvl 3 months ago
@patientthomist
You misunderstand the Catholic teaching on condom use. Examine the purpose of the sexual act that every honest person acknowledges -- unity, openness to new life, and the secondary effect of pleasure (nobody honestly has sex just to burn calories). The Catholic view on the sexual act is a YES to ALL, since this is God's design. The modernist view is that we can shut down the purpose as we design. Condom use is the latex "no" to unity and openness to new life.
patientthomist 3 months ago
@patientthomist "Examine the purpose of the sexual act that every honest person acknowledges -- unity, openness to new life, and the secondary effect of pleasure"
You've basically described the Catholic church's view of sex and then ascribed it to "every honest person." There is no reason to think those three things are always the purpose of sex. And I find it highly suspicious you specifically said the "secondary effect" of pleasure, as if sex for pleasure is just some awful moral deficiency.
johnjsal 3 months ago
@johnjsal
Not at all johnjsal. I'm just pointing out the biology of it ... unitive processes and openness to new life is, as you know, what happens with sperm, egg, etc. ... pleasure is in the brain (secondary effect) ... not awful at all. The Catholic view on pleasure is massively misrepresented ... think of all the historically Catholic cultures ... always the most passionate cultures ... French, Spanish, Italian, etc ... passion and Catholicism mix well ... next post
patientthomist 3 months ago
@johnjsal
So if you were asked about why people have sex (purpose), what would you say, if it's not those three experiences?
patientthomist 3 months ago
@patientthomist Why sex even evolved at all is still debated among scientists, but given that it exists, the purpose is to reproduce (which results in the propagation of the species). Naturally, humans are advanced enough not to simply have sex for this mechanistic purpose of producing baby after baby, but that's the biological purpose. But this is not "openness to new life" -- that phrase drips with Catholic dogma. And "unity" is not necessarily a result of sex either.
johnjsal 3 months ago
@patientthomist (continued...)
If you ask me why people have sex NOW (as opposed to what the biological purpose of sex is), then it could be for many reasons, including unity, pleasure, or reproduction. But none of those reasons is necessary, and any of them could be absent when two people have sex.
Only if you assume from the beginning that sex must be for all three of those things (as Catholic dogma assumes) will you be able to make the point you want to make.
johnjsal 3 months ago
@johnjsal
What other reasons are there, johnjsal? You seem to think there are other reasons. I'm just talking about observing nature ... don't have to be Catholic to notice those 3 reasons I suggested. The Catholic view is that all 3 should be present together, since that is the fullness of being of the sexual act. Since God is the absolute fullness of being, whose existence can be proven by reason, the sexaul act images God when there is fullness of being .... next post
patientthomist 3 months ago
@patientthomist "The Catholic view is that all 3 should be present together"
That's my point. That's the CATHOLIC VIEW. Yet in the post I originally responded to, you said "every honest person" identifies those three reasons as the purpose of sex. My argument is that you presume the truth of the Catholic view, force it into the discussion as the view of everyone, and don't acknowledge that people can have sex for ANY of those reasons, but not necessarily all of them at once.
johnjsal 3 months ago
@johnjsal
I agree that people have sex for any of those reasons, as you say. I don't think one has to be Catholic to recognize that that the three together is the fullness of being of the sexual act. That's clear without any reference to Jesus. Three is more than one or two. Anything which has the fullness of being according to its nature is good, since by reason (not faith) we see good as something existing in its fullness (e.g. a man with 2 arms and not 1 arm).
patientthomist 3 months ago
@patientthomist
Your explanation is still rife with faith-speak. What is "the fullness of being of the sexual act"? It means nothing outside of your Catholic perspective. Having sex for three reasons instead of one or two reasons means nothing more than that you are having sex for more reasons! This whole "fullness of being" talk is nothing but religious dogma meant to sound rational or natural, as if it makes sense to someone who hasn't already accepted the Catholic view of sex.
johnjsal 3 months ago
@johnjsal
"Fullness of being" is not faith speak. A man who has 2 arms has more fullness of being than a man with no arms -- don't need to be Catholic to see that. You talk about "other reasons" why people have sex ... what are they? You never name them.
patientthomist 3 months ago
@patientthomist
Unless by "fullness of being" you mean nothing more than an objective statement of fact, such as when I said "sex for a less number of reasons," or "has fewer arms," then I reject your comparison. And of course you DO mean something more than a statement of fact -- you imply a moral consequence of your so-called "fullness of being," i.e. that sex without this fullness is immoral. Unless you think having one arm is immoral, there is no comparison.
johnjsal 3 months ago
@patientthomist "You talk about "other reasons" why people have sex ... what are they? You never name them. "
I said there COULD be other reasons, merely because I didn't want to be so presumptuous as to declare (as you do) that there are ONLY three reasons anyone would ever have sex. But even if those three reasons really are the only reasons, my argument still stands. I'm saying sex does not have to be had for all of those reasons at once, you're saying it does.
johnjsal 3 months ago
@johnjsal
I'm saying people do have sex for 1 or more of those reasons, but for the act to "resemble God", all three must be present, since God is the fullness of being. The three are meant to be together by design. You would have some serious work cut out for you to try to prove that "it doesn't matter if we separate them from each other". Rape, for example, separates pleasure from unity. Beastiality separates pleasure from unity and openness to life. Are you in favour of those sex acts?
patientthomist 3 months ago
@patientthomist
Sex for pleasure without trying to grow closer to that person is rape? So two college kids who have sex with each other just for the fun of it, and never see each other again, raped each other? And if they happened to have used a condom, they committed bestiality?
You're getting very ridiculous now, and I'm not sure I'm going to be educated by you if I continue this discussion. Take care, but goodbye.
johnjsal 3 months ago
@johnjsal
No, John. I did not say that all sexual acts that separate pleasure from unity are rape, but rape is that separation by category. In the same way, bestiality is not the only act that separates pleasure from unity and openness to life. Your examples are good ones, and do show how premarital sex and condom use are deprived in the same category, although we could show of course how much more depraved rape and bestiality are.
patientthomist 3 months ago
@johnjsal
I assume you're not OK with those acts, and I hope that you would consider those acts evil. But why are they evil? The division of purposes, which we have no right to do.
patientthomist 3 months ago
@johnjsal
when any of the 3 are missing, there is a lack of something that should be present, which is the observable definition of evil.
patientthomist 3 months ago
Muslim was created by a silly dream O_O Fact
HeyYouPMme 4 months ago
Man id love a sit down with this guy. I would just sit and listen.
thenofxer 4 months ago
Atheism = pinnacle of ignorance
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2 Really? As opposed to what. Which is your blindly followed faith? Fill us in please!
thenofxer 4 months ago
@thenofxer Atheism has no moral standing. No future. No hope other than "in the now". There is no meaning other than what you make up to console yourself with while facing the fact that one day, inevitably, not only will you not exist, but nothing that you did or anything that has happened makes a difference or even matters in the slightest. You are as worthless as a rock in atheism.
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2
Sure atheism has none of those attributes, people do. Atheist just tend to think about their ethics more deeply.
So you'd rather take wishful thinking and the hysterical testimony of ignorant bronze age peoples trying to console themselves as value in your life? Oh you are so special, god made you and died for a weekend just for you in a system he made just for you! Even made the stars just to amuse us! Just be sure to love him or you'll be worth less than a rock to him.
Chinomareno 4 months ago
@Chinomareno OOOoooo. Angst-y...lol. Atheists have no morals, ethics or values other than what they borrow from religion. Who decides what is "right" or "wrong" without an outside and objective source? No one, that's who. It's simply majority/power rules with atheism. There is no true right or wrong.
Atheism/atheists are devoid of any true goodness. They are insects at best.
(And you mocking a religion you know obviously nothing about is hysterical!) :D
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2
What outside objective source? Which religion is objective? Which religion has proof it's true? Theists can't rationally establish anything, let alone claim their belief is objective
Ever thought maybe morals come from *gasp* ourselves? Unless you are a complete dogmatist religion is buffet style pick and choose what suites your ethics,nothing more.
I know more about Christianity than you can imagine, unless you are dishonest it becomes impossible to believe after examination.
Chinomareno 4 months ago
@Chinomareno YOU know more. Right. Anyway, back to reality. Who decides, then, what is moral and what isn't? You? The 'majority'? One person says eating animals is moral and ok, yet another says it's immoral and wrong. Well, which one is right?
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2
The same way people started decided burning witches was immoral.
Yea, I usually like to think about why things are wrong or right rather than accepting someone else's word for it. If you deffer to the opinions of the ignorant writers of holy texts you get garbage like witch burning and justification for grilling heretics.
Have a nice day.
Chinomareno 4 months ago
@Chinomareno What a ridiculous response. You dodged the question. Is it moral to eat animals?
Why or why not? And what makes it moral outside of your opinion?
What if I say wearing pink socks is immoral? Who are YOU to say otherwise?
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2
What was outlandish about it?
Think for a moment before asking me stupid questions. You want my opinion on animal welfare or should I deffer that to a book? I don't think it's immoral, I'm bias toward my own species. Relevance? zero.
You could say universally wearing pink socks is immoral in the same way eating shellfish is immoral for Jews, at which point you'd have to justify why you think that is or just be ignored. Simple right? no need for an appeal to authority.
Chinomareno 4 months ago
@Chinomareno Ok, Obviously I have to simplify this for you. Take ANY subject with two opposing views. Who is to say who is right and who is wrong? I say eating shellfish is morally ok yet Jews and Muslims think it is unclean and immoral. Well, who is right? We can't both be right. Capital punishment, some say morally justified and others say it's immoral. Who is right? See, if you leave only people to pick and choose what is moral, you will be left with an immoral world. atheism=fail
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2
Who else picks morals? You obviously picked yours when you went with a religion, you just took some else's words as right instead of thinking about the consequences for yourself. Just like you, the Jews and the Muslims cannot justify why they take some things as being immoral and they disagree with your position completely in some cases. So if I were to ask the same retarded question you posed, what gives you authority to tell them their beliefs are immoral? Just arrogance.
Chinomareno 4 months ago
@Chinomareno You totally dodged the question. But you're an atheist so I didn't really expect intelligence or honesty to begin with......
Take care.
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2 It seems to me that you are disproving your own position and completely agreeing with Chinomareno. You are correct, take ANY subject with two opposing views. Just the fact that the opposing views exist in the first place completely refutes any claims to divine or universal morality. What would a moral world look like as compared to an immoral world? Isn't it simply in everyone's best interest to act in a socially acceptable way since we all rely on each other?
AliburX 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2 It seems to me that you are disproving your own position and completely agreeing with Chinomareno. You are correct, take ANY subject with two opposing views. Just the fact that the opposing views exist in the first place completely refutes any claims to divine or universal morality. What would a moral world look like as compared to an immoral world? Isn't it simply in everyone's best interest to act in a socially acceptable way since we all rely on each other?
AliburX 4 months ago
Also, from an objective observer of your conversation. You were the one dodging the real questions. Answer your own questions. Who is right when it comes to any moral issue? Where is your god when it comes to actually making moral decisions. Chin has every reason to bring up burnings, slavery, rape, war, all of which are explicitly endorsed by god in the bible along with most every other immoral atrocity you can imagine. If this is the source of your personal morality, you are immoral.
AliburX 4 months ago
@AliburX If you think the Bible is immoral, you have serious intelligence and comprehension issues..lol
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2
For 200,000 defenseless Midianite Captives god demands...
Num 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Num 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Total Survivors...
Num 31:35 and thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
32,000 virgin girls out of 100,000 women. Denial Issues...lol
Chinomareno 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2 I don't know, I have a very high IQ and I'm reading the bible right now. This is the biggest, nastiest pile of nonsense I have ever read, hands down. Perhaps your local reverend has a more flowery interpretation of it, but have you actually read it? It's even worse than I ever thought it could be. It's all right there in black and white. This is not a book to get moral values from AT ALL. It's a freaking nightmare.
AliburX 4 months ago
@AliburX A very high IQ? I doubt that.
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago
@LordWhorfinX2 Well, I suppose that is a relative statement so you could certainly say it's subjective in some ways. I'd say hitting the 98 percentile end of the statistical spectrum qualifies by my standards, so I hold by my earlier statement. Way to attack the person instead of the idea, classic. I only mentioned the IQ thing in the first place to perhaps indicate that I am capable of reading and understanding an old book of fairy tales. Justify your fantasy all you like.
AliburX 4 months ago
@AliburX Ok, can you prove it? Prove to us how your IQ is off the charts. Otherwise, it simply isn't true, you're a liar and you're boring. Extraordinary claims......and all that jazz.. lol Put up or shut up. (Prediction - you will come back with "prove God first" to avoid having to prove anything yourself, am I right?) ;)
LordWhorfinX2 4 months ago