You just don't put so many felines and belonging to two different species in such a small space. Too many conflicts will arise.
I might be wrong but I think the japanese, chinese, korean and the rest alike, are some of the most destructive nations regarding wildlife because of their superstitions. Whales, bears, tigers and many other species are ruthlessly decimated for truly idiotic reasons.
lion are lazy you are right but i think the lion is a good figther when he decides to fight this video just proves that tiger's fan are really annoying and the put just the parts when the tiger is winning because the don't put the parts when the lion winn because are a pussy annoying bitchess i don't think that lions are stronger than tigers or tiger stronger than lions i think is a tie sometimes win the tiger annother the lions but the tiger's fans are so obsessed and that is sad
@bigcatsliontiger I am curious if you lion or tiger fans ever came face to face with one of them animals, would you ask it for an autograph? or would you suck their cock :P it is so pathetic this is even called a DEBATE. I would rather have a debate about important issues.
@wynstonable Hey stupid shit...Lion are tougher...it isplain and simple...why don't you pick up another hobby since your delusions are busted about the Tiger and your stress reactions are going to get your ass kicked...
@wynstonable hahaahahahahah you fanny - prove me - because i have many informations and videos that pprove lion is FEARLESS , WARRIOR , KING , WHILE TIGER IS PUSSY CAT ,
@bigcatsliontiger It`s true that the way they act ressemble more with the way a cat does, but don't let yourself be fouled. Tigers are not submissive, they just have another body stance when they prepare for an attack.
@xncosmo i can send you videos when tiger have afraid from bird , snake , pig , elephant , deer , dogs (smalls) , bears etc etc , while lion is FEARLESS , did you see the latest video tiger and bird , hahahaah very fanny , tiger is pussy , this is true ,
@bigcatsliontiger I can do the same showing you lions in the same posture. I'm not saying that there aren't times when tigers are afraid, but lions are no different. Try find for yourself videos with coward lions, they are plenty.
@xncosmo ok , i can send you some videos and information by experts that lion beat tiger , ahahahahahahah lion is not afraid , are some videos when lion walk away from buffolos but this is not fear , and are milions video when lion kill buffolos , hahahaahahah
@bigcatsliontiger every animal is afraid of something and you might know already that a lion vs a buffalo one on one, the lion is no match. Also in this video, both of the lions are afraid of the tiger. The lions lower the head and turns around and the male lion lower is head in fear and avoids tigers attack. When attacking, a tiger has a low body stance.
@wynstonable THEN WHY DOES THE TIGER ALWAYS RUNS AWAY FROM THE LION. I CAN SEND YOU COUNTLESS VIDEOS OF LIONS CHASING TIGERS. SEND ME A VIDEO OF WHEN A TIGER RUNS FROM A LION, LOOK ALL OVER YOU TUBE IF YOU MUST. ILL BE WAITING (but i know you wont since there isnt any videos of tigers chasing lions)
@KINGARTHUR3341@KINGARTHUR3341 You stupid, I watched this episodes and news with my korean friends in korean website. I don't understand what they are saying but he told me Tiger Final 16 was strongest, largest and he was the king. Also he was the only siberian tiger. But zookeeper took him out after he killed young male lion and he was lion was alwyas got beaten up from Final 16. Siberian tiger is the largest cat on the earth, you don't even know anything. Just shut the fuck off.
@wynstonable its ok dude, you dont have to lie, the video speaks for its self. Out of all the tigers, final 16 was the most coward out of all the tigers. In every video, it gets owned. I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF THE the siberian tiger is the largest in the whole universe, it is still a COWARD AND IT ALWAYS RUNS AWAY HAHAHAHA
@KINGARTHUR3341 You are lie jackass. Then go to ask to other korean you retard dumbass. Lions were the most coward and weakest out of all the animals. In every video, it gets owned. LION IS SILL A COWARD AND IT ALWAYS RUNS AWAY HAHAHAHA.
@wynstonable Tigers are cowards period, they always run like pussies. show me a video where the lion runs. Look all over you tube. I will be waiting (but i know you wont because there is no videos of lions running from tigers lol). I know about 10 videos where the tiger runs from lions lol. check out "lion owns 7 tigers" on you tube. lmao the tigers run like cowards hahaha
@KINGARTHUR3341 You stupid, I watched this episodes and news with my korean friends in korean website. I don't understand what they are saying but he told me Tiger Final 16 was strongest, largest and he was the king. Also he was the only siberian tiger. But zookeeper took him out after he killed young male lion and he was lion was alwyas got beaten up from Final 16. Siberian tiger is the largest cat on the earth, you don't even know anything. Just shut the fuck off.
No one can compare the analogy of two different species within the Felidae family and compare one of being a coward and the other a fearless king. Being a coward is a mental state of being, you cannot throw a whole species into one category and proclaim the other to be more noble. Second only proclaiming a general statement clearly shows a bias mentality therefore your opinion is bias and a opinion that is distorted is certainly a personal view that cannot be proven true.
@bigcatsliontiger This is not submission, this is the tiger attack body stance. Don`t forget that they are mostly jungle hunters not out in the open like lions so, they are used taking a low body stance to avoid detection from their pray in the high grass and bushes. This is how a tiger shows aggression and is preparing for an attack. I saw many people like you getting all emotional and letting them selves foul by the way a tiger prepares for an attack.
yeah keep telling urself that sure thats why when its a tiger vs a tiger they are standing up and fighting but when its a lion vs a tiger the tigers is always laying on the ground
@getsugatenshou1993 Take a look at 3.07. You'll see the lion with the same body stance, with head lowered - submission-like, as you like to say. Tigers and lions are different species and that is probably a way of avoidance a fight, but they neither back down from the fight. They don't have the same fighting styles. I for once I`m a tiger fan, but I don't have the slightest idea who will win more out of 100 matches.
@xncosmo there is a clear distincion between a low stance, getting ready fight on both legs and when a tiger is showing submission after it got into a physical confrontation. This is clearly submission. Not only that, but it panics and then it runs away. How are you going to explain the running away? It likes warming up before it gets into a fight????
@100LEGIONS this is one scenario that yes, occurs to both tigers and lions alike, and it is a difference between running away in fear and lowering the body like preparing an attack. You`ll see both to a tiger as you`ll see them to a lion. Look here to see submissive lions watch?v=U-eSyiWIdkk.
@xncosmo Those videos are trash. Everything from submissive lions and submissive tigers crap those are nothing more than fanatics. . If a tiger lowers his body to the ground along with his head after a confrontation then he wants no part in fighting. The same goes for the lion. But you are missing the point. The lion is program to be arrogant, confident, bully cat. A tiger is not program like that. Why do you think tigers will get chased by lions. A lion will get claws to the face, but wont run.
@100LEGIONS I agree, they are fanatics but the videos reflect the animals reactions and response, they are not staged so it's a long shot to call them trash. Also it's a long shot to say that lions won't run, I saw for yourself in the video lions running. Also, the fact that a lion doesn't has the same body stance, it doesn't has anything to do with arrogance, animals are not aware of themselves the way people are. You want to see something that is just not there.
@simiontdragos They are trash because the people that made the youtube videos are labeling and misinterpreting big cat responses. These so called experts (young teens) are biased from the start and are editing and interpreting videos in their favor. The lion doesnt have the same body stance?? well no shit, lions and tigers are built differently. They also fight differently. But both almost react the same when they feel timid,afraid, agressive.
@simiontdragos and as for the lion being more arrogant and feeling like its the shit, its true. Feeling superior and territorial is not just a human trait. Especially with male lions. The tiger is more of a nervous cat, it will attack you out of panic or because it feels threaten. The lion will come and attack you because it simply doesnt like you or you pose a challenge to him. Like dave salmoni said: a lion will come to fight you for any reason.
@100LEGIONS Now you are being way too subjective. Also, I think you confused the personality of a lion with a tiger. Read this article about the debate: en . wikipedia . org / wiki / Tiger_versus_lion.
hobbi was the most aggressive tiger in everland, while final16 was the biggest and strongest tiger in everland. in this video the bigger one (final 16) is only 2 years old. after he matured, he killed hobbi and badly injured 2 lions. the zookeepers deceided to separate final16 from the other tigers and lions as he is too dangerous for them. he was the only siberian tiger there. you can see how powerful siberian tigers are...
cough watch male lions hunt..one of the most ineffective cat stranglers on anything bigger than a gazelle. even cheetahs cut the wind pipe faster, theyre mob hunters. phenomenal animal nonetheless. no need for this misery of endangered animals when they should be being rehabilitated
not only that but you fail to see that because the solitary nature of tigers draws them away from concentration and fighting, less testosterone drive for dominance etc it does do "badass" energy wasting fighting. only in this garbage of artificial scenarios do you get a taste of what youre looking for
fuck all of you. if you gave a shit about these animals you wouldnt watch this shit with any sort of praise for seeing what you want which is the unnatural forcing of a lion tiger confrontation.
as for the ridiculous o i like lions so theyre tougher/tigers same thing.
physically the siberian tiger is unparalleled. it weighs hundreds of pounds more than a lion. is multiple feet longer. lives solitary, is far stealthier, more muscular, more dexterous given prey and arduous conditions.
but i would put my money on the tiger, no matter the lions fighting nature, the tiger got bigger canines, more length from nose to tail(heard that the lion got more height from ground to head, dont know this is true) and more muscles weight(50 K more)and these are facts that count hard in nature,s battle,s. But i dont want to undervalue the lion like the rest of the people who favours the tiger.
In my opinion in these zoo video,s there aren,t any real male lions. A true male lion has to grow up in the wild. Because a male lion has a very extreme lifestyle were fighting/battling/killing is common(nature wants males to fight) without this extremelifestyle(were he,s famous fore, and were he deserves his title as KING fore) its not an true male african lion. Because a male lion of 7years old with a life fullof fighting forhis live can win against a tiger.
I don't understand shit but I think it's like this: They have a very big tiger there, probably a siberian. This siberian tiger always gets his ass beat by a smaller, more aggressive tiger. This aggressive tiger still won't fuck with a lion.
The Tiger is more Agile and faster. It is stronger. It has bigger Canines. It is physically better than the Lion. Now the lion is a much better fighter skill wise. So you can never guess which would win. Personally I think Tigers can. They're quicker to recover on their feet.
The north will get them.If they think well go to war with china over them their smoking better shit than me.THIS type of shit makes me puke poeple.just like watching men kill each other over politics.
This is a pathetic and stupid exhibit. The Koreans should be ashamed of themselves for putting these poor animals together to watch them fight for their own amusement.
lions in kaptevety ar not so great fighters in the wild tiger hase no chans ageints a wild lion .lions spends all his life lerning how to fight and they yous ther hunting skills in a fight.tigers dont but ther biger and stronger so its a unkown ho wins
I saw the 3 Video when Lion kills Tiger but i never saw any video tiger kill lion .I saw only 1 picture tiger kill lion it may be a fake picture. So lion is champion.
Don't get me wrong, but your judgment sucks. It is based on what you have "seen", which is the easiest way to manipulate with someone. You will never find answers to your questions on YouTube. Try reading books for example. A friend of mine, director of a National Zoo in my country studied this Lion vs Tiger thing for years. He also read recordings from Ancient Rome, and in most cases tigers won. I love both species equally.
Don't let your attitude makes you ignorant and stupid. Make the right choice dude... You know, there is some knowledge built up through centuries, generations... People have been learning through their mistakes. Yeah, Hitler tried to kill the light (sorry, books), but he wasn't aware of that it can't be killed. You are obviously slave to "it's majesty" TV. God help you...
@TheRealStee...l All you freakazoid FUCKtards...or any other oft used BS term to best describe you Tiger hugging fukkheads. Here it is. REady?...Show us ONE unedited, fair and level playing field, one-on-one video of a Tiger beating a Lion and many of us will probably not say again---"Tiger can NEVER beat a Lion". We will say usually or almost always or whatever. Your balls are in your mouth (or someone else's) as you utter total unsubstantiated SHIT. Lion kikkks Tiger ass.
@jcifv1, you talk about level playing field, one on one, Hollywood pitted the biggest lions they could find against the smallest adult tigers I've ever seen, in half these park vids the lions act as group, fair? Don't give me shit. Even these shitty eveland video show tigers getting the best of it pretty often, unless you lion gayboys are blind, well you are all wankers...
Wow this Zoo is so stupid. And they actually try to make it seem funny. I think this is cruel and unfunny. They do nothing to separate the animals. It's basically a prison setting with each animal fighting for power.
They should not be putting so many males in one area with a female..they will naturally fight for matting rights. They know this..it's a zoo! They do it to get more visitors ...ASSHOLES, they should have their licence pulled and face animal cruelty charges.
why do this stupid asian ppl put them together ffs?.......and ppl are fucking argueing about this shiets? instead of fighting who´s better stops this damn madness FFS! Idiots get some IQ ppl!
This video, PTigris7, does prove---like pretty much any "unedited" video that tigers are below lions on the pecking order. Case closed (long time ago).
Food is not 'readily available' lions do not have the luxary most of the time of attacking by ambush and most of the prey in africa is bigger and tougher to kill than the prey in india hence the smaller lion prides with needing less effort to take them down.
And by the way before they were hunted asiatic lions had the bigger population but still smaller prides.
Asiatic lions don't hunt the tigers range, the tigers kill all the big stuff. You say Afrcian prey animals are larger and tougher than in India, Asiatic buffalo are the largest water buffalo, Guar are even larger. Lions live in smaller prides because the the biggest, toughest prey are in the swamp and jungle with the tigers...
The tigers don't kill big animals often, most of their prey is constituted of wild boar and deer.
Asiatic lions live in smaller prides because the animals there require less effort to kill.
I didn't say all of them are larger, it's well known that both water buffalo and guar are larger that nearly all of the lions prey excluding elephant... However cape buffalo require far more effort to kill they are much more agressive and live in larger herds.
They do occasionally prey upon those animals but most of the tigers diet is not made up of this, it is mainly wild boar and deer.
Of course they're harder to kill, lions can't usually attack by ambush like a tiger, and cape buffalo are far more agressive and dangerous plus they weigh up to 1800 lbs, which is not much smaller.
Lions also steal kills from other animals such as cheetah's, if we're going to split hairs.
Thats funny, because when you see lions hunting, they crouch out of view, one chases and three others are laying in ambush... The tiger still has to restle its huge prey to the ground, no easy task by any means.
An 1800lbs cape buffalo? It must be a record, Asiatic buffalo weigh that much and they're the larger of the two.
Well sorry if that's the case but it seems what you thought you knew for the last 20 years wasn't quite true.
Sorry it isn't a fact, I can give you loads of videos of lions and lioness's hunting, you can't base your findings on one video you've seen it doesn't make sense.
water buffalo are only slightly larger, they have a tighter average but the weight range remains the same here is some more information on cape buffalo: en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/African_Buffalo
Nope that's you and your assumptions about things, well it can't have been many videos because I can provide you with a lot that contradict everything you say.
And you have to look at the source wikipedia got it from, there are actuual records maybe you should check it out don't just immediately dismiss it.
Well it seams we can't agree on anything and I know I'm not wrong so where do we go from here?
When I started studying this stuff there was no wikipedia, no youtube, no internet back in the 80's, you relied on books and video's, not webisites the public can tamper with.
Information I've gathered is not just from youtube, or wikipedia, I have given you scientific records and documents, the information from Clyde Beatty is straight from his biography.
And lol, that's because when shaolin was created they observed movements of animals that were around them, lion didn't happen to be one of them... You do know they also have a crane and a toad thrown in there too, are you going to tell me they could also beat a lion in a fight?
Biography's aren't always accurate, and if they were written the subjects permission that gives them chance "add on" to stories, nearly everyone does it, human nature.
Shaolin has five original animal forms, tiger and leopard use physical force while crane and snake use chi force. There is a lion style, there's also an Indian martial art based on lion, although tiger remains the "beast" of the animal styles.
Taken in context, its a good example, if you know the warrior arts that is.
Like I said, when someone writes your story, its easy to add on, the fish gets bigger, also peoples recollection of events isn't always accurate, it gets worse as time goes on.
You should take notice of other cultures, you learn things.
Yes that's true, but the point was this was something Clyde Beatty said himself, blowing it out of proportion would be saying things like 'the lion completely killed the tiger in 20 seconds'... That would be exaggerating, however the fact that his lions were dominant over his tigers is the simple fact it isn't blowing it out of proportion that's just the truth.
Somebody needs to make "Tribute to TheRealSteel: Undefeated Champ" video, using footage of my comments and my varuis opponents. You are free to use any fight footage from my film Project T lol.
Tiger's like, "Get yo bitch ass lioness tail out my face". Why are the Siberians so fucking fat rather than muscular? Their legs look so stubby, no wonder the Bengals are having their way with them.
should be stopped ,their put in those tiny enclosures,two different species that need 10 hectares of land per animal in 1 hectare with more than 18 tigers and asiatic lions in a tiny enclosure
Also striped hyenas are not considered competition as they scavenge food, and don't hunt much.
Tigers avoid confrontation that is a documented fact, however they are born into a place where food is easy and competition is not that tough, tigers have no competition because of this apart from asiatic lions which are near extinct.
Also the 'better fighter' argument is a valid one as tigers do not fight much especially not head on wheras lions do attacking when the odds are even several to one.
For the young tiger, heading out into the world, everything is potential competition, especially older tigers. He has to learn to fight just as lions or leopards do.
Its harder for a tiger to kill a 2000lbs guar single handedly than it is for a pride of lions to kill a 1600lb cape buffalo, but they manage it.
If lions are so much more experienced fighters than tigers then the experience is wasted on tigers as both cats stand a fair chance if they fight.
Not really, tigers tend to avoid fighting and confrontation it is not their style. Stalking and ambush is the tigers prefered style.
African lions, like most animals back off before one of them is seriously injured but it usually comes to blows before one retreats... However UNLIKE most animals african lions tend to fight before one backs off.
They are certainly the most agressive carnivore and have been known to fight several male lions at once to protect their pride.
well, tigers don't back off in the wild. they fight until one of them is dead. that's why you cannot find any videos of tiger backing off from a fight. national geograhic mentions this a lot in tiger video
Well, I'm not sure what videos you've been watching but I can PM you loads of videos of tigers backing down if you'd like? Tigers tend to do all they can to avoid confrontation a reluctance to fight has been consistantly noted.
On the other hand it is highly unusual to find a male lion who is reluctant to fight... This is due to their high testosterone level (the highest of all the carnivores), plus the conditions which they live in are harsher.
Wrong, I've TV documentaries here in the UK where tigers have faught over territory and one has died or atleast been seriously injured. Tigers not fighting is a myth, in India they have a saying "when tigers fight, one will die".
I didn't say tigers don't fight, I said they avoid confrontation and fighting, and whenever they do confront one another, one backs down before any fight happens.
Well that saying isn't true, if you want I can give you a couple of videos of wild tigers fighting, it's nothing major.
Many tigers will avoid the fight, because there is more space for them to live, but in areas where they're more densly concentrated they fight like hell.
Not true? Indians have 9000 years of history alongside tigers and until modern times tigers, like lions, were common across India.
Its been noted that Siberian tigers are less aggressive than Bengals, probobly because they're so spread out. On the other hand lions are very common in Africa and territory is more scarce.
No, even in the nepal vally where the tigers there are more agressive they still don't tend to fight a lot, plus when the cubs are moving about with their mothers fights between them are also quite rare
Lions are not as common as you think 20, 000 left estimated, and lions don't just fight with rival lions males spend their first 2 - 3 years learning to fight and also fight hyenas, lioness's in their pride, wild dogs, and other male lions
Lions have a notably higher testosterone level also
If I'm wrong then how come I've seen tigers fighting on tv and one died? I'd still trust the observations of a 9000 year old culture over the words of modern "experts". 20,000 is a LOT compared to Bengal tigers left in the wild, I'm more concerned about 400 Asiatic lions than the Africans. 2 years? Bengal tigers spend their lives fighting other species for supremacy, they compete with hyenas, dholes, jackals, bears, crocs, wolves, leopards and the tiger sits right at the top.
You may have seen tigers fighting on TV, but that certainly doesn't prove a rumour right about 'whenever tigers fight one will die', that's an absurd rumour any expert will tell you tigers avoid confrontation they ambush opponents they do not fight head on often.
Lions spend the first 2 years learning how to fight and the rest fighting various other animals.
Right, so the opinion of some self proclaimed expert who spends 5 minutes in a modern nature reserve outweighs 9000 years of interaction between people and tigers?
Actually lions spend their first 2 years scavenging off hyena and cheetah kills, only once they're fully matured do they challenge pride lions. 99% of the time lions only fight eachother, wheras tigers are always competing with other species. The "better fighter" argument lions fans use is put forward by people who don't know tigers.
Is that why the most powerful form of the Shaolin animals is based on the movements of a fighting tiger? All animal styles are based on observations and Hung Gar, the tiger is the most rutal, seconded by the Jiao Gar, the leopard.
So why does the debate end here? This only shows that their paw strikes dont hurt large animals. I`ve seen people claim that Tigers can kill cows with a strike with its paw. Nothing is further from the truth.
Both lion and tiger are extremely strong cats. Which one of them is stronger - who knows? Rhino is stronger than both of them put together xDDDD Set the animals free!!!
Have you seen that video of the tiger chasing the rhino? Thats and the tiger who charges into a lake full of crocs and the one who charges those people on elephants certainly prove the legends right. Bengals have no fear.
Also bengal tigers do not compete with hyenas... there are no hyenas in india... no wolves, no leopards well there are snow leopards I think but they weigh about 40 lbs and are not considered competition.
They do not compete with bears either, there are only 200 lb sloth bears in india, and are not considered competition.
Bengal tigers actually have very little competition, it is not like africa where there is the survival of the fittest bengals have a comfortable life in comparison.
Do you know anything about India? They DO have striped hyenas, common leopards (180lbs) and wolves. Its well known, except to you evidently. Sloth bears weigh upto 450lbs, you're 200lbs bear won't even be full grown... Tigers compete with crocs in swampy regions, and leopards are known to attack young tigers. You need to learn more about Indian wildlife before you respond, I lived in India and I know all the animals that live there.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact, if you'd like I can give you a video of tigers fighting noone dies... Big suprise there...
It is well documented lions spend the first few years learning to fight, they might scavenge but it doesn't change the fact they are fighting all the time; no about 50% of the fights are with other lions, the others are with hyenas, and lioness's.
i gave 200 lbs as an average not a top weight, neither leopards or sloth bears are considered competition
Most "facts" or peoples interpretation of them? I mean if people listen to you they'd wrongly believe there are no leopards/hyenas/wolves in India...
200lbs is small for a sloth bear and they have claws like daggers.
Sloth bears aren't the only bears tigers face, there are reports of tigers killing brown bears, I've seen one of those very bears and he was twice the size of a tiger.
Lions and tigers are equally matched in combat, it can go either way.
Actually no, hyenas, wolves, or leopards will not attack tigers that have left their mothers... A tiger rarely if ever comes into confrontation.
200 lbs isn't small for a sloth bear, it's a fair weight and they are not competition for an adult bengal tiger.
It is also rare for a tiger to attack a guar, they prey on wild deer and wild boar mainly, and prides of lions do not take down 1 buffalo it is usually 2 -3 lioness's but I can give you videos of single lions and lioness's killing them.
You tell me there are none of these animals in India then you tell me how they behave there?
I've seen sloth bears mate, I'm part of a charity to end bear baiting in Pakistan, 200lbs is tiny. I've seen footage where a 400lb sloth bear stood off a 300lb tigress.
I saw a whole pride struggle against a 1600lb bull, never seen one lion kill a bull, only the cow. I noticed you seen to like saying "it is rare for a tiger etc", maybe its often seen, but then, tigers aren't exactly easy to find.
There might have been encounters but you try to make it seem as though it is common when 95% of the time a leopard will stay well well away from any nearby tiger.
and it is rare for a tiger to attack a guar, they prey on smaller animals, it is not common and I can give you the university press for it if you'd like?
I don't anything sound like anything, but it does happen. Tigers are known to kill leopards, don't ask me how the hell they catch them because leopards are probobly the smartest thing in the jungle.
I've seen enough footage of tigers hunting to know what they eat, anything they can catch, a 350lb tigress easily overpowered an 800lb nilgai in one of the video's from Ranthambore, thats enough evidence. University? and how much time did the pen pushers spend in tiger country?
Lion bias? I like both felines but I know that the lion will win in a fight, this isn't simply because I like the lion, it's because a lion has the advantage it's simple.
I also like the arctic fox, but I'd never dream of telling you it could kill a wolf.
My info in regards to what? The hunting habbits come from university sources, and confrontation comes from various sources and websites.
Opinion of lion vs tiger comes from study of the animals and background research.
Well if there's a video you wouldn't mind sharing it with me? Because I don't think I've ever even seen one video of a tiger beating a lion in a 1 on 1 fight.
And I didn't say 'always' win, I said almost every time.
You can go with 50/50 if you like, but at least use valid points as to why, don't try and tell me tigers are as agressive or as experienced as lions because they simply are not... That's like saying a lions got stronger hind legs than the tiger which is also false.
There is no shortage of footage here on youtube, most of it is minor scuffles, in one a tiger swiped a lion and knocked him over. I don't remember the name of the video but it had "Stand up" on the soundtrack. There's also the one I've told you about with the head bite. Look for them here.
Like I said, if the lion is so superior, why do they rig the fights the tiger loses? Have you ever noticed the size difference in most cases?
Actually no, I've seen the footage you refer to the lion was practically maneless which means he was very young or an asiatic lion, and the footage was cut short... There is no footage of a tiger beating a lion in a 1 on 1 fight.
And there's no need to make that excuse I can give you many videos of lions beating tigers are you really going to tell me they're all rigged?
Making excuses for the lions? You remind me of Schamah, he won't even reply my comments now...
The head bite video is a full grown African lion which is slightly bigger than the tiger that beats him.
You can make excuses about the lions, saying they're young etc, its different when its a young tiger, all you lot see is a tiger losing and you go wild over it.
There are only a few full on fights out there and they're all from films where the lion plays the hero and tiger the villain...
There is no head bite video, and I fail to see how the lion loses that, he gets knocked down, not even knocked down gets knocked to the side, then immediately gets back up and then the clip cuts out.
Plus the lion is maneless which means it's a young african lion or an asiatic lion, or are you telling me there are maneless adult african lions?
And no they aren't from films where the lion plays the hero there is only one video clip which is like that, the rest are genuine fights..
Are we talking about the same footage? Besides, I've noticed youtubes "lion experts" don't know the obvious differences between African and Asian, once you've them both, you'll never confuse the two. For start, Ghir forest lions have a darker "silvered" coat, shorter main and a "belly fold", they're about 100lbs lighter than a sub saharan lion. You see, I know my animals.
Complaining about the lions main is like saying a fight is unfair because one boxer should be hearing a head guard lol.
If you're talking about the everland lions, then yes they are asiatic lions, and no saying the lion has a small mane is like saying it's a very young african lion or an asiatic lion.
Plus saying a fight is fair because the african lion is maneless is like saying the fight is fair because the tiger suddely lost his strong back legs.
The everland lions are Asiatic? lol! African lions not only look very different from Asians, the African pride is ruled by two brothers, Asian males are loners, virtually independant of the pride, catching their own food. So whoever says the everland lions are Asian has never seen an Asiatic lion...
In most of the serious fights I've seen, they put a smaller tiger against a larger lion, I always used to wonder why scale model makers did the lion larger than the Bengal tiger, I know why now...
Yes quite obviously you have never seen an Asiatic lion as those in everland are smaller, and have very small manes, plus belly folds, and I can give you various videos showing this.
And actually Asiatic males are not loners they often group in 2's or even 3's and come around the females when in heat.
So, basically what you're saying is that in every fight a lion has won (and theres a lot) it was staged? Get serious...
Never seen an Asiatic lion?! Then what the hell was that thing in the video I sent you about Asiatic lions? One of the muppets gone astray perhaps? Jesus...
Well the male in that video, the only I've seen on here is clearly a loner.
Never said they only win when its rigged but those "to the death" fights clearly are, I've seen one where the lion backs off as they fight, and in the next shot the tiger has suddenly "died"... What was that some Shaolin technique the lion picked up?
Well if you understand what an Asiatic lion looks like then you should know the ones in Everland aren't African
Really? That's the only video you've seen, you know all I typed in youtube was Asiatic lions and the first video it comes up with is 2 dominant asiatic male lions here's the link for you:
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=5diRYuRHzag
And the video you are refering to the tiger isn't dead straight away you can see it moving slightly the lion bit a nerve in his back, it was a clyde beatty fight
They aren't Asian lions either, even the owners don't know where they came from, on closer inspection they look like Hybrids, African and Asian crossedbreeds.
Do you know how long ago I favourited that video, its all I could find back then.
I read about Clyde Beatty fights, the tiger is MEANT to lose, its in the script, it was winning before it suddenly, suspiciously keels over out of camera shot.
Well whichever way you look at it, they are not African lions, so using that as evidence to say bengal tigers beat african lions is not valid, and apart from that the zookeepers report that the lions win most of the fights anyway.
No it isn't, Clyde Beatty made only one movie in which the tiger played the bad guy, the one you saw filmed in asia, was a pit fight for entertainment, not only that clyde reported that out of all the fights the lion won most.
Ah the zoo keepers... So far, according to everything I read on youtube, everland keepers claim: "lions win most fight" "you can't judge it" and "tigers win most", thats evidence?
Beatty Beatty Beatty, is he such a great source? He did refuse Mable Starks challenge to a proper fight, with no script...
Mable might have had more luck getting Beatty to fight her seen as some of those tigers his lions fought were a bit small for full grown males...
Yes the zookeepers do state the lions win more fights, not only that I have seen most of the everland videos and the lions are more dominant when it comes to both food and fights.
Yes Clyde Beatty is one of the best sources, if you're going to quote one of the videos make sure it's correct.
Yep he rejected Mables offer but that doesn't prove a thing, plus you can't make the speculation that Clyde Beattys tigers were small having never seen them.
The zoo keepers need to make up their minds, I hear so much conflicting info coming from that dump.
Oh I'm correct alright, even if people don't like it.
It proves a lot, since Starks tigers weren't raised amoung lions and would have been intimidated by the lions group mentality. I've heard that in mixed groups the tigers understand that the lions will gang up on them in a fight, one on one against a proper tiger would be an even fight.
What? I think you're confusing afew things, Clyde Beatty had no female lions, and male lions unless they are brothers do not usually group together, they would be individual so there's no group mentality there.
1 on 1, and they were proper tigers Clyde Beattys lions beat his tigers simple.
Lions are social, tigers aren't, group them together and you'll see how it works.
Beatty had a big mouth, shame he couldn't back it up when challanged, he shouldn't have bragged if he couldn't put his money where is mouth was.
No, the only proper tigers are those who've never seen a lion, let alone grew up among them. I doubt a tiger like Ghenghis would've shown Beatty's lion Sultan any respect, let alone fear.
Lions are not very social when it comes to non related male lions, this is common knowledge 90% of the time male lions will fight.
Lol, Beatty didn't want to fight his lions, so?
So, you're saying that the tigers weren't proper tigers but the lions were proper lions? They were both in the same boat the tigers wasn't at any more disadvantage than the lions were.
It is always reported that when tigers and lions are in contact the lion is calm and the tigers are usually frantic.
In a lot of video's you see all these scuffles between lions and tigers, they're inconclusive, a lot of times the lion comes near and the tiger lets him have it, the lion usually walks away. If somebody hits you in the face you don't walk away, especially when they rake your face with huge claws.
Tigers are cagey, people who're cagey are quick to fight, hence the tigers lashing out.
Nope in almost ever zoo report I read where they keep lions and tigers together it is reported that the lions are always the ones who are willing to fight, it is also noted that lions are the most agressive carnivore they like to fight more.
Zoo reports? lol, I'd rather believe what I see with my own eyes, its a classic scene, lion aproaches, tiger lashes out, lion walks away with a few claw marks on his face. You don't have to be Sherlock Homes to footage of that its in plenty of eveiland vids.
Yes zoo reports, videos, even wildlife reports it is always noted that lions are by far the most combative and agressive of all the carnivora, it has been seen, reported, and told about so many times it kind of becomes hard to dispute...
@TheRealSteel ...You fucktards keep saying I would like to see...Thre are MANN n NNNY videos, unedited, on youtube alone which show the Tiger fukking off like the pussy cat you are when the Lion comes in to feed. Not to mention real, one on one, unedited fights. I have never seen a Lion run like the Tiger does from it. Not from another Lion not from and elephant. The Tiger runs like a pussycat up the curtain from a vacuum cleaner. Get yr eyes straight. Or do you need help? Don't be annoying.
@jcifv1, put a sock in it gurlyman, there are many bullshit video's, even hollywood took sides the debate and you boys call it "evidence".... Lions always move out of elephants/rhino's way, tigers chase them both lol. The tiger is only animal that can wade into the croc's lake and take his food...
I'd love to see a wild Bengal tiger, a rhino killer, take on a wild lion, lets see who is the best then, not this rubbish.
There have been encounters between tigers and leopards... Dholes are the tigers main enemy, they're phyiscally small but a large pack will not hesitate to attack a young adult tiger. Dholes have even killed buffalo, they eat prey alive and unlike most animals are not deterred by casualties during the hunt.
And also the original point is that tigers do not come into confrontation often and are far less experienced than lions in fighting.
Don't try to make it seem as though tigers are as agressive or experienced because it's proven both scientifically and sociologically that they are not.
'Encounters' may happen but they are uncommon and almost never serious.
You may prefer the tiger but if you're going to argue about fighting at least use valid points.
I know your lion biased but I'll just relay the facts without bias. Me I like both cats in equel measure, but the tiger is deffinately equel to a lion in combat, only lion fans say otherwise. Most "expert opion" comes from biased sources. I'd like to know where you get your info from, because the picture you paint isn't a tiger.
See again there is your error, you say things like 'tigers are known', a tiger was once also known to have killed an elephant but noone will ever tell you that this is common, tigers killing leopards doesn't happen often, lions have been known to catch and kill cheetahs, but it doesn't happen often.
an 800 lb nilgai is a specimen 40% larger than even the largest nilgai reach, so that is incorrect, and you may call them pen pushers but cambridge do things thoroughly that's why they're a top uni.
You've made a string of errors yourself, don't point fingers.
Acording to Valmik Thapar who was comentating, he's the foremost expert at Ranthambore btw, the blue bull (nilgai) weighed atleast 800lbs. Asiatic male lions also hunt nilgai, I saw one chase down a nilgai. Even the Asiatic lion is a better hunter than its African cousin it seems.
Quote from a hunter: "The weights of nilgai will vary depending on age, but a mature bull will reach upwards of 650 pounds. The nilgai stands about five feet at the shoulder, and the animal is all muscle and bone wrapped inside an extremely thick hide".
I'm not saying guars aren't dangerous, all I'm saying is that they are not as agressive or dangerous as cape buffalo and they will also be easier to take down for quite a few other reasons.
You can't give me a quote from a nameless hunter and put it as evidence here are some sources for you:
Easier to take down? Do enlighten me as to how an animal that can smash a full grown tiger into a tree, damaging the tree, is easier to take down than is smaller, less muscular cousins?
Ok, forget using a bloke who actually shot a nilgai as evidence, lets go with expert Valmik Thapar, unlike wikipedia, he can't be edited by the public lol.
Actually cape buffalo have higher proportionate muscle mass, lions also do not have the luxary of ambush in most cases as tigers do, normally once this tactic has failed with tigers against bigger animals they don't persue it.
Also cape buffalo are far more agressive and live in much bigger herds up to 200 individuals
cape buffalo are far more dangerous than guar.
Yes let's forget the nameless hunter you provided who shot 1 nilgai and probably didn't weigh it over various credited sources
How do make that out? I've seen them both up close and a guar looks like a bodybuilder, I was shocked at how huge and ripped the guars muscles were. You can hardly see the muscle tone on a buffalo compared to a guar. No wonder they're called "bos guarus" it is the boss.
Yes lets forget him and go with Valmik Thapar's 800lbs.
How do I make it out? Cape buffalo live in a far hotter climate than guar, and harsher conditions, plus they live in herds up to 200 individuals, lions can hardly ever attack by ambush and cape buffalo are far more agressive... Cape buffalo are much harder to kill than guar.
Him? I gave you various sources and I can give you much more which are far more reliable than one hunter who shot one nilgai and estimated it's weight.
Africa is far hotter than India is it? Thats news to me, in parts of India it can reach over 50c in summer and freeze in winter, thats why Indians can thrive with the toughest conditions. You have to be tough to survive India, trust me I know.
Lions spend more time hunting zebra, warthog and gnu than they do buffalo, law of
You just don't put so many felines and belonging to two different species in such a small space. Too many conflicts will arise.
I might be wrong but I think the japanese, chinese, korean and the rest alike, are some of the most destructive nations regarding wildlife because of their superstitions. Whales, bears, tigers and many other species are ruthlessly decimated for truly idiotic reasons.
LuciTulcea 3 months ago in playlist Mai multe videoclipuri de la PTigris7
turn the sound off
Artas1984 4 months ago
Epic Tiger fight from 1:40 to 2:13...
sausama77 6 months ago
why r they putting tigers and lions in the same enclosure in the first place ?
and audio is fucking dumb their cheering for them fighting ..
DorxII 6 months ago
lion are lazy you are right but i think the lion is a good figther when he decides to fight this video just proves that tiger's fan are really annoying and the put just the parts when the tiger is winning because the don't put the parts when the lion winn because are a pussy annoying bitchess i don't think that lions are stronger than tigers or tiger stronger than lions i think is a tie sometimes win the tiger annother the lions but the tiger's fans are so obsessed and that is sad
GeminisDiablillo 9 months ago
@GeminisDiablillo lazy? experts said lion are not but the cameraman film them in pride , all cats sleep 18-20 hour per day ,
bigcatsliontiger 7 months ago
Lions are too lazy to fight
yellowman88 10 months ago
tiger are coward , tigers submite and run away ,
LIONS ARE FEARLESS , WARRIORS , KING .
LION FOREVER KING .
TIGER CAWARD .
bigcatsliontiger 10 months ago
@bigcatsliontiger honey badger owns them both
blinxXtimesweeper 9 months ago
@bigcatsliontiger I am curious if you lion or tiger fans ever came face to face with one of them animals, would you ask it for an autograph? or would you suck their cock :P it is so pathetic this is even called a DEBATE. I would rather have a debate about important issues.
versmex87 7 months ago
@bigcatsliontiger You stupid ugly motherfucker, you need to learn English grammar and spelling first. Lions are coward and run away.
TIGERS ARE FEARLESS, WARRIORS, ULTIMATE CARNIVORE, AND KING OF THE ANIMALS!
TIGER WILL BE FOREVER KING!
LIONS ARE COWARD AND LOSER!
wynstonable 7 months ago
@wynstonable dude u dont even have proper grammer -.-
FlyingCows88 7 months ago
@wynstonable Hey stupid shit...Lion are tougher...it isplain and simple...why don't you pick up another hobby since your delusions are busted about the Tiger and your stress reactions are going to get your ass kicked...
hoyfanofboulder 7 months ago
@wynstonable hahaahahahahah you fanny - prove me - because i have many informations and videos that pprove lion is FEARLESS , WARRIOR , KING , WHILE TIGER IS PUSSY CAT ,
bigcatsliontiger 7 months ago
@bigcatsliontiger It`s true that the way they act ressemble more with the way a cat does, but don't let yourself be fouled. Tigers are not submissive, they just have another body stance when they prepare for an attack.
xncosmo 6 months ago
@xncosmo i can send you videos when tiger have afraid from bird , snake , pig , elephant , deer , dogs (smalls) , bears etc etc , while lion is FEARLESS , did you see the latest video tiger and bird , hahahaah very fanny , tiger is pussy , this is true ,
bigcatsliontiger 6 months ago
@bigcatsliontiger I can do the same showing you lions in the same posture. I'm not saying that there aren't times when tigers are afraid, but lions are no different. Try find for yourself videos with coward lions, they are plenty.
xncosmo 6 months ago
@xncosmo ok , i can send you some videos and information by experts that lion beat tiger , ahahahahahahah lion is not afraid , are some videos when lion walk away from buffolos but this is not fear , and are milions video when lion kill buffolos , hahahaahahah
bigcatsliontiger 6 months ago
@bigcatsliontiger every animal is afraid of something and you might know already that a lion vs a buffalo one on one, the lion is no match. Also in this video, both of the lions are afraid of the tiger. The lions lower the head and turns around and the male lion lower is head in fear and avoids tigers attack. When attacking, a tiger has a low body stance.
xncosmo 6 months ago
@wynstonable THEN WHY DOES THE TIGER ALWAYS RUNS AWAY FROM THE LION. I CAN SEND YOU COUNTLESS VIDEOS OF LIONS CHASING TIGERS. SEND ME A VIDEO OF WHEN A TIGER RUNS FROM A LION, LOOK ALL OVER YOU TUBE IF YOU MUST. ILL BE WAITING (but i know you wont since there isnt any videos of tigers chasing lions)
KINGARTHUR3341 7 months ago
@KINGARTHUR3341 @KINGARTHUR3341 You stupid, I watched this episodes and news with my korean friends in korean website. I don't understand what they are saying but he told me Tiger Final 16 was strongest, largest and he was the king. Also he was the only siberian tiger. But zookeeper took him out after he killed young male lion and he was lion was alwyas got beaten up from Final 16. Siberian tiger is the largest cat on the earth, you don't even know anything. Just shut the fuck off.
wynstonable 6 months ago
@wynstonable its ok dude, you dont have to lie, the video speaks for its self. Out of all the tigers, final 16 was the most coward out of all the tigers. In every video, it gets owned. I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF THE the siberian tiger is the largest in the whole universe, it is still a COWARD AND IT ALWAYS RUNS AWAY HAHAHAHA
KINGARTHUR3341 6 months ago
@KINGARTHUR3341 You are lie jackass. Then go to ask to other korean you retard dumbass. Lions were the most coward and weakest out of all the animals. In every video, it gets owned. LION IS SILL A COWARD AND IT ALWAYS RUNS AWAY HAHAHAHA.
wynstonable 6 months ago
@wynstonable Tigers are cowards period, they always run like pussies. show me a video where the lion runs. Look all over you tube. I will be waiting (but i know you wont because there is no videos of lions running from tigers lol). I know about 10 videos where the tiger runs from lions lol. check out "lion owns 7 tigers" on you tube. lmao the tigers run like cowards hahaha
KINGARTHUR3341 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@KINGARTHUR3341 You stupid, I watched this episodes and news with my korean friends in korean website. I don't understand what they are saying but he told me Tiger Final 16 was strongest, largest and he was the king. Also he was the only siberian tiger. But zookeeper took him out after he killed young male lion and he was lion was alwyas got beaten up from Final 16. Siberian tiger is the largest cat on the earth, you don't even know anything. Just shut the fuck off.
wynstonable 6 months ago
No one can compare the analogy of two different species within the Felidae family and compare one of being a coward and the other a fearless king. Being a coward is a mental state of being, you cannot throw a whole species into one category and proclaim the other to be more noble. Second only proclaiming a general statement clearly shows a bias mentality therefore your opinion is bias and a opinion that is distorted is certainly a personal view that cannot be proven true.
Kolaiah99 7 months ago
@Kolaiah99 go see some videos lion and tiger ,
after come him and comment who is coward and who is fearless
bigcatsliontiger 7 months ago
@bigcatsliontiger This is not submission, this is the tiger attack body stance. Don`t forget that they are mostly jungle hunters not out in the open like lions so, they are used taking a low body stance to avoid detection from their pray in the high grass and bushes. This is how a tiger shows aggression and is preparing for an attack. I saw many people like you getting all emotional and letting them selves foul by the way a tiger prepares for an attack.
xncosmo 6 months ago 5
@xncosmo
yeah keep telling urself that sure thats why when its a tiger vs a tiger they are standing up and fighting but when its a lion vs a tiger the tigers is always laying on the ground
getsugatenshou1993 6 months ago
@getsugatenshou1993 Take a look at 3.07. You'll see the lion with the same body stance, with head lowered - submission-like, as you like to say. Tigers and lions are different species and that is probably a way of avoidance a fight, but they neither back down from the fight. They don't have the same fighting styles. I for once I`m a tiger fan, but I don't have the slightest idea who will win more out of 100 matches.
xncosmo 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@xncosmo 4 words , YOU STUPID , TIGER PUSSY .
bigcatsliontiger 6 months ago
@bigcatsliontiger watch?v=U-eSyiWIdkk
xncosmo 6 months ago
@xncosmo there is a clear distincion between a low stance, getting ready fight on both legs and when a tiger is showing submission after it got into a physical confrontation. This is clearly submission. Not only that, but it panics and then it runs away. How are you going to explain the running away? It likes warming up before it gets into a fight????
100LEGIONS 6 months ago
@100LEGIONS this is one scenario that yes, occurs to both tigers and lions alike, and it is a difference between running away in fear and lowering the body like preparing an attack. You`ll see both to a tiger as you`ll see them to a lion. Look here to see submissive lions watch?v=U-eSyiWIdkk.
xncosmo 6 months ago
@xncosmo Those videos are trash. Everything from submissive lions and submissive tigers crap those are nothing more than fanatics. . If a tiger lowers his body to the ground along with his head after a confrontation then he wants no part in fighting. The same goes for the lion. But you are missing the point. The lion is program to be arrogant, confident, bully cat. A tiger is not program like that. Why do you think tigers will get chased by lions. A lion will get claws to the face, but wont run.
100LEGIONS 6 months ago
@100LEGIONS I agree, they are fanatics but the videos reflect the animals reactions and response, they are not staged so it's a long shot to call them trash. Also it's a long shot to say that lions won't run, I saw for yourself in the video lions running. Also, the fact that a lion doesn't has the same body stance, it doesn't has anything to do with arrogance, animals are not aware of themselves the way people are. You want to see something that is just not there.
simiontdragos 6 months ago
@simiontdragos They are trash because the people that made the youtube videos are labeling and misinterpreting big cat responses. These so called experts (young teens) are biased from the start and are editing and interpreting videos in their favor. The lion doesnt have the same body stance?? well no shit, lions and tigers are built differently. They also fight differently. But both almost react the same when they feel timid,afraid, agressive.
100LEGIONS 6 months ago
@simiontdragos and as for the lion being more arrogant and feeling like its the shit, its true. Feeling superior and territorial is not just a human trait. Especially with male lions. The tiger is more of a nervous cat, it will attack you out of panic or because it feels threaten. The lion will come and attack you because it simply doesnt like you or you pose a challenge to him. Like dave salmoni said: a lion will come to fight you for any reason.
100LEGIONS 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@100LEGIONS Now you are being way too subjective. Also, I think you confused the personality of a lion with a tiger. Read this article about the debate: en . wikipedia . org / wiki / Tiger_versus_lion.
xncosmo 5 months ago
hobbi was the most aggressive tiger in everland, while final16 was the biggest and strongest tiger in everland. in this video the bigger one (final 16) is only 2 years old. after he matured, he killed hobbi and badly injured 2 lions. the zookeepers deceided to separate final16 from the other tigers and lions as he is too dangerous for them. he was the only siberian tiger there. you can see how powerful siberian tigers are...
666sentrax 11 months ago
@666sentrax
Where is your proof? Do have a link?
jsvalino 11 months ago
cough watch male lions hunt..one of the most ineffective cat stranglers on anything bigger than a gazelle. even cheetahs cut the wind pipe faster, theyre mob hunters. phenomenal animal nonetheless. no need for this misery of endangered animals when they should be being rehabilitated
wispnoak 11 months ago
not only that but you fail to see that because the solitary nature of tigers draws them away from concentration and fighting, less testosterone drive for dominance etc it does do "badass" energy wasting fighting. only in this garbage of artificial scenarios do you get a taste of what youre looking for
wispnoak 11 months ago
fuck all of you. if you gave a shit about these animals you wouldnt watch this shit with any sort of praise for seeing what you want which is the unnatural forcing of a lion tiger confrontation.
as for the ridiculous o i like lions so theyre tougher/tigers same thing.
physically the siberian tiger is unparalleled. it weighs hundreds of pounds more than a lion. is multiple feet longer. lives solitary, is far stealthier, more muscular, more dexterous given prey and arduous conditions.
wispnoak 11 months ago
but i would put my money on the tiger, no matter the lions fighting nature, the tiger got bigger canines, more length from nose to tail(heard that the lion got more height from ground to head, dont know this is true) and more muscles weight(50 K more)and these are facts that count hard in nature,s battle,s. But i dont want to undervalue the lion like the rest of the people who favours the tiger.
Akkoopman 11 months ago
In my opinion in these zoo video,s there aren,t any real male lions. A true male lion has to grow up in the wild. Because a male lion has a very extreme lifestyle were fighting/battling/killing is common(nature wants males to fight) without this extremelifestyle(were he,s famous fore, and were he deserves his title as KING fore) its not an true male african lion. Because a male lion of 7years old with a life fullof fighting forhis live can win against a tiger.
Akkoopman 11 months ago
@Akkoopman Wrong
gottawachit 11 months ago
I don't understand shit but I think it's like this: They have a very big tiger there, probably a siberian. This siberian tiger always gets his ass beat by a smaller, more aggressive tiger. This aggressive tiger still won't fuck with a lion.
neverthat79 1 year ago
Now I know where they got the hello kitty idea from. 0:32
Style1130 1 year ago
@Style1130 lionbs are patient, but lion is still king!
abujameel2010 1 year ago
The Tiger is more Agile and faster. It is stronger. It has bigger Canines. It is physically better than the Lion. Now the lion is a much better fighter skill wise. So you can never guess which would win. Personally I think Tigers can. They're quicker to recover on their feet.
nubowns 1 year ago
is mohamad a mass murderer or rapist?
teachtruth2U 1 year ago
The north will get them.If they think well go to war with china over them their smoking better shit than me.THIS type of shit makes me puke poeple.just like watching men kill each other over politics.
everlandH8ter 1 year ago
This is a pathetic and stupid exhibit. The Koreans should be ashamed of themselves for putting these poor animals together to watch them fight for their own amusement.
HTHAMMACK1 1 year ago
lions in kaptevety ar not so great fighters in the wild tiger hase no chans ageints a wild lion .lions spends all his life lerning how to fight and they yous ther hunting skills in a fight.tigers dont but ther biger and stronger so its a unkown ho wins
kujtafull 1 year ago
I saw the 3 Video when Lion kills Tiger but i never saw any video tiger kill lion .I saw only 1 picture tiger kill lion it may be a fake picture. So lion is champion.
nitinwwe1001 1 year ago
@nitinwwe1001
Don't get me wrong, but your judgment sucks. It is based on what you have "seen", which is the easiest way to manipulate with someone. You will never find answers to your questions on YouTube. Try reading books for example. A friend of mine, director of a National Zoo in my country studied this Lion vs Tiger thing for years. He also read recordings from Ancient Rome, and in most cases tigers won. I love both species equally.
LeBart021 1 year ago
@LeBart021 What's a book.Oh yea those things hitler burned.This generation sees books as slavery not education.good luck getting that message out.
everlandH8ter 1 year ago
@everlandH8ter
Don't let your attitude makes you ignorant and stupid. Make the right choice dude... You know, there is some knowledge built up through centuries, generations... People have been learning through their mistakes. Yeah, Hitler tried to kill the light (sorry, books), but he wasn't aware of that it can't be killed. You are obviously slave to "it's majesty" TV. God help you...
LeBart021 1 year ago
@LeBart021 i DONT WANT OR NEED GOD
everlandH8ter 1 year ago
The lion wins again! Thanks for the video.
newnoggin2 1 year ago
@newnoggin2 Nope! NERDS and the bastard Everland owners wins again!
They should be put them in a cage with these cats and video tape it!! woooooohh lol.. bastards!
Zhorellski 1 year ago
A male Lion is substantially larger muscled, significantly more robustly built, way more ferocious than, and will easily clobber a male Tiger.
jcifv1 1 year ago
@jcifv1, bullshit.
TheRealSteel 1 year ago
@TheRealStee...l All you freakazoid FUCKtards...or any other oft used BS term to best describe you Tiger hugging fukkheads. Here it is. REady?...Show us ONE unedited, fair and level playing field, one-on-one video of a Tiger beating a Lion and many of us will probably not say again---"Tiger can NEVER beat a Lion". We will say usually or almost always or whatever. Your balls are in your mouth (or someone else's) as you utter total unsubstantiated SHIT. Lion kikkks Tiger ass.
jcifv1 1 year ago
@jcifv1, you talk about level playing field, one on one, Hollywood pitted the biggest lions they could find against the smallest adult tigers I've ever seen, in half these park vids the lions act as group, fair? Don't give me shit. Even these shitty eveland video show tigers getting the best of it pretty often, unless you lion gayboys are blind, well you are all wankers...
Lion fans cry foul, they invented foul.
TheRealSteel 1 year ago
Wow this Zoo is so stupid. And they actually try to make it seem funny. I think this is cruel and unfunny. They do nothing to separate the animals. It's basically a prison setting with each animal fighting for power.
christiandark9 1 year ago
They should not be putting so many males in one area with a female..they will naturally fight for matting rights. They know this..it's a zoo! They do it to get more visitors ...ASSHOLES, they should have their licence pulled and face animal cruelty charges.
mrmynx 1 year ago
God punished these people, and they will burn in hell for being so fun of animals
They should all burn in hell!
Da3dranag0n 1 year ago
God punished these people, and they will burn in hell for being so fun of animals
They should all burn in hell!
Da3dranag0n 1 year ago
why do this stupid asian ppl put them together ffs?.......and ppl are fucking argueing about this shiets? instead of fighting who´s better stops this damn madness FFS! Idiots get some IQ ppl!
DonChilenito 1 year ago
Why does this place exist? There are just too many cats around it's not right. Why doesn't wwf shut it down or something?
flyingVesp 2 years ago
DAY
bestyno1 2 years ago
tigers all dat long
bestyno1 2 years ago
This video, PTigris7, does prove---like pretty much any "unedited" video that tigers are below lions on the pecking order. Case closed (long time ago).
jcifv1 2 years ago
@jcifv1, it proves jack shit.
TheRealSteel 1 year ago
Food is not 'readily available' lions do not have the luxary most of the time of attacking by ambush and most of the prey in africa is bigger and tougher to kill than the prey in india hence the smaller lion prides with needing less effort to take them down.
And by the way before they were hunted asiatic lions had the bigger population but still smaller prides.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Asiatic lions don't hunt the tigers range, the tigers kill all the big stuff. You say Afrcian prey animals are larger and tougher than in India, Asiatic buffalo are the largest water buffalo, Guar are even larger. Lions live in smaller prides because the the biggest, toughest prey are in the swamp and jungle with the tigers...
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
The tigers don't kill big animals often, most of their prey is constituted of wild boar and deer.
Asiatic lions live in smaller prides because the animals there require less effort to kill.
I didn't say all of them are larger, it's well known that both water buffalo and guar are larger that nearly all of the lions prey excluding elephant... However cape buffalo require far more effort to kill they are much more agressive and live in larger herds.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Wild boar, dear, nilgai, crocodiles, dholes, pythons, monkeys, guar, buffalo, young rhino, basically anything a tiger can catch. Asiatic lions don't tackle guar or water buffalo...
Larger heards yes, harder to kill? I don't think so, a guar is upto 2000lbs of solid beef and itsa not gonna take any prisoners.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
They do occasionally prey upon those animals but most of the tigers diet is not made up of this, it is mainly wild boar and deer.
Of course they're harder to kill, lions can't usually attack by ambush like a tiger, and cape buffalo are far more agressive and dangerous plus they weigh up to 1800 lbs, which is not much smaller.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Lions also steal kills from other animals such as cheetah's, if we're going to split hairs.
Thats funny, because when you see lions hunting, they crouch out of view, one chases and three others are laying in ambush... The tiger still has to restle its huge prey to the ground, no easy task by any means.
An 1800lbs cape buffalo? It must be a record, Asiatic buffalo weigh that much and they're the larger of the two.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Yes, but lions scavange very rarely, they hunt most of their food especially as the largest bulk of their diet is buffalo.
No they don't, I think you are perhaps basing your findings on one hunt you have seen on video, but lions don't usually have the luxary of ambush.
Yes cape buffalo do reach up to 1800 lbs, water buffalo and cape buffalo are very similar in weight water buffalo just have a tighter average.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
All you do is contradict things I've known for the last 20 years, do you think the lions have changed their behaviourin that time?
1 video? It common knowledge that one lioness will get the prey running, while 2 or 3 others lie in wait, fact mate.
Very similar weight? 1800lbs is big for an Asiatic buffalo and they're the largest...
This is going nowhere.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Well sorry if that's the case but it seems what you thought you knew for the last 20 years wasn't quite true.
Sorry it isn't a fact, I can give you loads of videos of lions and lioness's hunting, you can't base your findings on one video you've seen it doesn't make sense.
water buffalo are only slightly larger, they have a tighter average but the weight range remains the same here is some more information on cape buffalo: en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/African_Buffalo
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Well thats me and the people who shot the docu's and wrote the books, thats alot of people...
What? I never said one video? Are taking the piss out of me? I made it quite clear, I read it in many sources and saw it many times on tv...
Wikipedia? Come on, there are more reliable sources than that, 1600lbs seems more accurate.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Nope that's you and your assumptions about things, well it can't have been many videos because I can provide you with a lot that contradict everything you say.
And you have to look at the source wikipedia got it from, there are actuual records maybe you should check it out don't just immediately dismiss it.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Well it seams we can't agree on anything and I know I'm not wrong so where do we go from here?
When I started studying this stuff there was no wikipedia, no youtube, no internet back in the 80's, you relied on books and video's, not webisites the public can tamper with.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Information I've gathered is not just from youtube, or wikipedia, I have given you scientific records and documents, the information from Clyde Beatty is straight from his biography.
And lol, that's because when shaolin was created they observed movements of animals that were around them, lion didn't happen to be one of them... You do know they also have a crane and a toad thrown in there too, are you going to tell me they could also beat a lion in a fight?
That's a very poor example lol.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Biography's aren't always accurate, and if they were written the subjects permission that gives them chance "add on" to stories, nearly everyone does it, human nature.
Shaolin has five original animal forms, tiger and leopard use physical force while crane and snake use chi force. There is a lion style, there's also an Indian martial art based on lion, although tiger remains the "beast" of the animal styles.
Taken in context, its a good example, if you know the warrior arts that is.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Yeah not always accurate, however that is something which Clyde Beatty stated himself not something someone added in.
It doesn't matter... The shaolin crap is, and really no offence, one of the most stupid examples I've ever heard.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Like I said, when someone writes your story, its easy to add on, the fish gets bigger, also peoples recollection of events isn't always accurate, it gets worse as time goes on.
You should take notice of other cultures, you learn things.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Yes that's true, but the point was this was something Clyde Beatty said himself, blowing it out of proportion would be saying things like 'the lion completely killed the tiger in 20 seconds'... That would be exaggerating, however the fact that his lions were dominant over his tigers is the simple fact it isn't blowing it out of proportion that's just the truth.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
We'll never know the truth of it so no point speculating.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Lion is champion.
vasconcellosreal 2 years ago
Somebody needs to make "Tribute to TheRealSteel: Undefeated Champ" video, using footage of my comments and my varuis opponents. You are free to use any fight footage from my film Project T lol.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Like I say there is no footage of a tiger beating a lion in a 1 on 1 fight, even in everland the asiatic lions win most of the fights.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
You haven't looked very far then.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Tiger's like, "Get yo bitch ass lioness tail out my face". Why are the Siberians so fucking fat rather than muscular? Their legs look so stubby, no wonder the Bengals are having their way with them.
Keezy73 2 years ago
that Bengal tiger own that Siberian tiger i guess size dont mean shit lol!!!
XLisiaX 2 years ago
should be stopped ,their put in those tiny enclosures,two different species that need 10 hectares of land per animal in 1 hectare with more than 18 tigers and asiatic lions in a tiny enclosure
tigerbeast777 2 years ago
The lions African, Asiatic lions are smaller, darker coloured, have less main and the males live away from the pride.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Also striped hyenas are not considered competition as they scavenge food, and don't hunt much.
Tigers avoid confrontation that is a documented fact, however they are born into a place where food is easy and competition is not that tough, tigers have no competition because of this apart from asiatic lions which are near extinct.
Also the 'better fighter' argument is a valid one as tigers do not fight much especially not head on wheras lions do attacking when the odds are even several to one.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
For the young tiger, heading out into the world, everything is potential competition, especially older tigers. He has to learn to fight just as lions or leopards do.
Its harder for a tiger to kill a 2000lbs guar single handedly than it is for a pride of lions to kill a 1600lb cape buffalo, but they manage it.
If lions are so much more experienced fighters than tigers then the experience is wasted on tigers as both cats stand a fair chance if they fight.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
man... you know the funny thing is tigers don't fight often... they scuffle with their paws.
have you ever seen on like comedy girl fightsor comedy gay men fighting?
they start slapping each others hands really quickly with their heads tilted back?
everyone calls it a cat fight... where do you think it came from? tigers lol
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Tigers do fight in the wild, and usally end up one of them dead. Not like afican lions running away from a fight
tim01268 2 years ago
Not really, tigers tend to avoid fighting and confrontation it is not their style. Stalking and ambush is the tigers prefered style.
African lions, like most animals back off before one of them is seriously injured but it usually comes to blows before one retreats... However UNLIKE most animals african lions tend to fight before one backs off.
They are certainly the most agressive carnivore and have been known to fight several male lions at once to protect their pride.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
well, tigers don't back off in the wild. they fight until one of them is dead. that's why you cannot find any videos of tiger backing off from a fight. national geograhic mentions this a lot in tiger video
tim01268 2 years ago
Well, I'm not sure what videos you've been watching but I can PM you loads of videos of tigers backing down if you'd like? Tigers tend to do all they can to avoid confrontation a reluctance to fight has been consistantly noted.
On the other hand it is highly unusual to find a male lion who is reluctant to fight... This is due to their high testosterone level (the highest of all the carnivores), plus the conditions which they live in are harsher.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Wrong, I've TV documentaries here in the UK where tigers have faught over territory and one has died or atleast been seriously injured. Tigers not fighting is a myth, in India they have a saying "when tigers fight, one will die".
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
I didn't say tigers don't fight, I said they avoid confrontation and fighting, and whenever they do confront one another, one backs down before any fight happens.
Well that saying isn't true, if you want I can give you a couple of videos of wild tigers fighting, it's nothing major.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Many tigers will avoid the fight, because there is more space for them to live, but in areas where they're more densly concentrated they fight like hell.
Not true? Indians have 9000 years of history alongside tigers and until modern times tigers, like lions, were common across India.
Its been noted that Siberian tigers are less aggressive than Bengals, probobly because they're so spread out. On the other hand lions are very common in Africa and territory is more scarce.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
No, even in the nepal vally where the tigers there are more agressive they still don't tend to fight a lot, plus when the cubs are moving about with their mothers fights between them are also quite rare
Lions are not as common as you think 20, 000 left estimated, and lions don't just fight with rival lions males spend their first 2 - 3 years learning to fight and also fight hyenas, lioness's in their pride, wild dogs, and other male lions
Lions have a notably higher testosterone level also
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
If I'm wrong then how come I've seen tigers fighting on tv and one died? I'd still trust the observations of a 9000 year old culture over the words of modern "experts". 20,000 is a LOT compared to Bengal tigers left in the wild, I'm more concerned about 400 Asiatic lions than the Africans. 2 years? Bengal tigers spend their lives fighting other species for supremacy, they compete with hyenas, dholes, jackals, bears, crocs, wolves, leopards and the tiger sits right at the top.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
You may have seen tigers fighting on TV, but that certainly doesn't prove a rumour right about 'whenever tigers fight one will die', that's an absurd rumour any expert will tell you tigers avoid confrontation they ambush opponents they do not fight head on often.
Lions spend the first 2 years learning how to fight and the rest fighting various other animals.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Right, so the opinion of some self proclaimed expert who spends 5 minutes in a modern nature reserve outweighs 9000 years of interaction between people and tigers?
Actually lions spend their first 2 years scavenging off hyena and cheetah kills, only once they're fully matured do they challenge pride lions. 99% of the time lions only fight eachother, wheras tigers are always competing with other species. The "better fighter" argument lions fans use is put forward by people who don't know tigers.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Is that why the most powerful form of the Shaolin animals is based on the movements of a fighting tiger? All animal styles are based on observations and Hung Gar, the tiger is the most rutal, seconded by the Jiao Gar, the leopard.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
So why does the debate end here? This only shows that their paw strikes dont hurt large animals. I`ve seen people claim that Tigers can kill cows with a strike with its paw. Nothing is further from the truth.
Norwegian73 2 years ago
It is not like america. indian farmers don't really have much money to buy cameras
tim01268 2 years ago
animal abuse!
kingjbrown26 2 years ago 3
the lion was tryin to mate with the tiger am i the only 1 who seen that!! 3:17 in the film lok
kingjbrown26 2 years ago
Both lion and tiger are extremely strong cats. Which one of them is stronger - who knows? Rhino is stronger than both of them put together xDDDD Set the animals free!!!
Ki3a5hin 2 years ago
Have you seen that video of the tiger chasing the rhino? Thats and the tiger who charges into a lake full of crocs and the one who charges those people on elephants certainly prove the legends right. Bengals have no fear.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Also bengal tigers do not compete with hyenas... there are no hyenas in india... no wolves, no leopards well there are snow leopards I think but they weigh about 40 lbs and are not considered competition.
They do not compete with bears either, there are only 200 lb sloth bears in india, and are not considered competition.
Bengal tigers actually have very little competition, it is not like africa where there is the survival of the fittest bengals have a comfortable life in comparison.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Do you know anything about India? They DO have striped hyenas, common leopards (180lbs) and wolves. Its well known, except to you evidently. Sloth bears weigh upto 450lbs, you're 200lbs bear won't even be full grown... Tigers compete with crocs in swampy regions, and leopards are known to attack young tigers. You need to learn more about Indian wildlife before you respond, I lived in India and I know all the animals that live there.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
It's not an opinion, it's a fact, if you'd like I can give you a video of tigers fighting noone dies... Big suprise there...
It is well documented lions spend the first few years learning to fight, they might scavenge but it doesn't change the fact they are fighting all the time; no about 50% of the fights are with other lions, the others are with hyenas, and lioness's.
i gave 200 lbs as an average not a top weight, neither leopards or sloth bears are considered competition
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Most "facts" or peoples interpretation of them? I mean if people listen to you they'd wrongly believe there are no leopards/hyenas/wolves in India...
200lbs is small for a sloth bear and they have claws like daggers.
Sloth bears aren't the only bears tigers face, there are reports of tigers killing brown bears, I've seen one of those very bears and he was twice the size of a tiger.
Lions and tigers are equally matched in combat, it can go either way.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Actually no, hyenas, wolves, or leopards will not attack tigers that have left their mothers... A tiger rarely if ever comes into confrontation.
200 lbs isn't small for a sloth bear, it's a fair weight and they are not competition for an adult bengal tiger.
It is also rare for a tiger to attack a guar, they prey on wild deer and wild boar mainly, and prides of lions do not take down 1 buffalo it is usually 2 -3 lioness's but I can give you videos of single lions and lioness's killing them.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
You tell me there are none of these animals in India then you tell me how they behave there?
I've seen sloth bears mate, I'm part of a charity to end bear baiting in Pakistan, 200lbs is tiny. I've seen footage where a 400lb sloth bear stood off a 300lb tigress.
I saw a whole pride struggle against a 1600lb bull, never seen one lion kill a bull, only the cow. I noticed you seen to like saying "it is rare for a tiger etc", maybe its often seen, but then, tigers aren't exactly easy to find.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
There might have been encounters but you try to make it seem as though it is common when 95% of the time a leopard will stay well well away from any nearby tiger.
and it is rare for a tiger to attack a guar, they prey on smaller animals, it is not common and I can give you the university press for it if you'd like?
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
I don't anything sound like anything, but it does happen. Tigers are known to kill leopards, don't ask me how the hell they catch them because leopards are probobly the smartest thing in the jungle.
I've seen enough footage of tigers hunting to know what they eat, anything they can catch, a 350lb tigress easily overpowered an 800lb nilgai in one of the video's from Ranthambore, thats enough evidence. University? and how much time did the pen pushers spend in tiger country?
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Lion bias? I like both felines but I know that the lion will win in a fight, this isn't simply because I like the lion, it's because a lion has the advantage it's simple.
I also like the arctic fox, but I'd never dream of telling you it could kill a wolf.
My info in regards to what? The hunting habbits come from university sources, and confrontation comes from various sources and websites.
Opinion of lion vs tiger comes from study of the animals and background research.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
If lions always win then howcome I've seen them lose? In one video a tiger bites a bigger lion by the head and holds on until the lion retreats.
I prefer the the knowledge of people who actually live and work in tiger country, not people who spend a few weeks there.
Opinion on the lion vs tiger debate is exactly that, opinion, if you put them up against eachother I'm splitting my bet 50/50 eachway.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Well if there's a video you wouldn't mind sharing it with me? Because I don't think I've ever even seen one video of a tiger beating a lion in a 1 on 1 fight.
And I didn't say 'always' win, I said almost every time.
You can go with 50/50 if you like, but at least use valid points as to why, don't try and tell me tigers are as agressive or as experienced as lions because they simply are not... That's like saying a lions got stronger hind legs than the tiger which is also false.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
There is no shortage of footage here on youtube, most of it is minor scuffles, in one a tiger swiped a lion and knocked him over. I don't remember the name of the video but it had "Stand up" on the soundtrack. There's also the one I've told you about with the head bite. Look for them here.
Like I said, if the lion is so superior, why do they rig the fights the tiger loses? Have you ever noticed the size difference in most cases?
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Actually no, I've seen the footage you refer to the lion was practically maneless which means he was very young or an asiatic lion, and the footage was cut short... There is no footage of a tiger beating a lion in a 1 on 1 fight.
And there's no need to make that excuse I can give you many videos of lions beating tigers are you really going to tell me they're all rigged?
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Making excuses for the lions? You remind me of Schamah, he won't even reply my comments now...
The head bite video is a full grown African lion which is slightly bigger than the tiger that beats him.
You can make excuses about the lions, saying they're young etc, its different when its a young tiger, all you lot see is a tiger losing and you go wild over it.
There are only a few full on fights out there and they're all from films where the lion plays the hero and tiger the villain...
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
There is no head bite video, and I fail to see how the lion loses that, he gets knocked down, not even knocked down gets knocked to the side, then immediately gets back up and then the clip cuts out.
Plus the lion is maneless which means it's a young african lion or an asiatic lion, or are you telling me there are maneless adult african lions?
And no they aren't from films where the lion plays the hero there is only one video clip which is like that, the rest are genuine fights..
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Are we talking about the same footage? Besides, I've noticed youtubes "lion experts" don't know the obvious differences between African and Asian, once you've them both, you'll never confuse the two. For start, Ghir forest lions have a darker "silvered" coat, shorter main and a "belly fold", they're about 100lbs lighter than a sub saharan lion. You see, I know my animals.
Complaining about the lions main is like saying a fight is unfair because one boxer should be hearing a head guard lol.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
If you're talking about the everland lions, then yes they are asiatic lions, and no saying the lion has a small mane is like saying it's a very young african lion or an asiatic lion.
Plus saying a fight is fair because the african lion is maneless is like saying the fight is fair because the tiger suddely lost his strong back legs.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
The everland lions are Asiatic? lol! African lions not only look very different from Asians, the African pride is ruled by two brothers, Asian males are loners, virtually independant of the pride, catching their own food. So whoever says the everland lions are Asian has never seen an Asiatic lion...
In most of the serious fights I've seen, they put a smaller tiger against a larger lion, I always used to wonder why scale model makers did the lion larger than the Bengal tiger, I know why now...
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Yes quite obviously you have never seen an Asiatic lion as those in everland are smaller, and have very small manes, plus belly folds, and I can give you various videos showing this.
And actually Asiatic males are not loners they often group in 2's or even 3's and come around the females when in heat.
So, basically what you're saying is that in every fight a lion has won (and theres a lot) it was staged? Get serious...
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Never seen an Asiatic lion?! Then what the hell was that thing in the video I sent you about Asiatic lions? One of the muppets gone astray perhaps? Jesus...
Well the male in that video, the only I've seen on here is clearly a loner.
Never said they only win when its rigged but those "to the death" fights clearly are, I've seen one where the lion backs off as they fight, and in the next shot the tiger has suddenly "died"... What was that some Shaolin technique the lion picked up?
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Well if you understand what an Asiatic lion looks like then you should know the ones in Everland aren't African
Really? That's the only video you've seen, you know all I typed in youtube was Asiatic lions and the first video it comes up with is 2 dominant asiatic male lions here's the link for you:
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=5diRYuRHzag
And the video you are refering to the tiger isn't dead straight away you can see it moving slightly the lion bit a nerve in his back, it was a clyde beatty fight
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
They aren't Asian lions either, even the owners don't know where they came from, on closer inspection they look like Hybrids, African and Asian crossedbreeds.
Do you know how long ago I favourited that video, its all I could find back then.
I read about Clyde Beatty fights, the tiger is MEANT to lose, its in the script, it was winning before it suddenly, suspiciously keels over out of camera shot.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Well whichever way you look at it, they are not African lions, so using that as evidence to say bengal tigers beat african lions is not valid, and apart from that the zookeepers report that the lions win most of the fights anyway.
No it isn't, Clyde Beatty made only one movie in which the tiger played the bad guy, the one you saw filmed in asia, was a pit fight for entertainment, not only that clyde reported that out of all the fights the lion won most.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Ah the zoo keepers... So far, according to everything I read on youtube, everland keepers claim: "lions win most fight" "you can't judge it" and "tigers win most", thats evidence?
Beatty Beatty Beatty, is he such a great source? He did refuse Mable Starks challenge to a proper fight, with no script...
Mable might have had more luck getting Beatty to fight her seen as some of those tigers his lions fought were a bit small for full grown males...
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Yes the zookeepers do state the lions win more fights, not only that I have seen most of the everland videos and the lions are more dominant when it comes to both food and fights.
Yes Clyde Beatty is one of the best sources, if you're going to quote one of the videos make sure it's correct.
Yep he rejected Mables offer but that doesn't prove a thing, plus you can't make the speculation that Clyde Beattys tigers were small having never seen them.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
The zoo keepers need to make up their minds, I hear so much conflicting info coming from that dump.
Oh I'm correct alright, even if people don't like it.
It proves a lot, since Starks tigers weren't raised amoung lions and would have been intimidated by the lions group mentality. I've heard that in mixed groups the tigers understand that the lions will gang up on them in a fight, one on one against a proper tiger would be an even fight.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
What? I think you're confusing afew things, Clyde Beatty had no female lions, and male lions unless they are brothers do not usually group together, they would be individual so there's no group mentality there.
1 on 1, and they were proper tigers Clyde Beattys lions beat his tigers simple.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Lions are social, tigers aren't, group them together and you'll see how it works.
Beatty had a big mouth, shame he couldn't back it up when challanged, he shouldn't have bragged if he couldn't put his money where is mouth was.
No, the only proper tigers are those who've never seen a lion, let alone grew up among them. I doubt a tiger like Ghenghis would've shown Beatty's lion Sultan any respect, let alone fear.
I'll stay with 50/50.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Lions are not very social when it comes to non related male lions, this is common knowledge 90% of the time male lions will fight.
Lol, Beatty didn't want to fight his lions, so?
So, you're saying that the tigers weren't proper tigers but the lions were proper lions? They were both in the same boat the tigers wasn't at any more disadvantage than the lions were.
It is always reported that when tigers and lions are in contact the lion is calm and the tigers are usually frantic.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
In a lot of video's you see all these scuffles between lions and tigers, they're inconclusive, a lot of times the lion comes near and the tiger lets him have it, the lion usually walks away. If somebody hits you in the face you don't walk away, especially when they rake your face with huge claws.
Tigers are cagey, people who're cagey are quick to fight, hence the tigers lashing out.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Nope in almost ever zoo report I read where they keep lions and tigers together it is reported that the lions are always the ones who are willing to fight, it is also noted that lions are the most agressive carnivore they like to fight more.
Most of te times it is the tiger backing off.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Zoo reports? lol, I'd rather believe what I see with my own eyes, its a classic scene, lion aproaches, tiger lashes out, lion walks away with a few claw marks on his face. You don't have to be Sherlock Homes to footage of that its in plenty of eveiland vids.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Yes zoo reports, videos, even wildlife reports it is always noted that lions are by far the most combative and agressive of all the carnivora, it has been seen, reported, and told about so many times it kind of becomes hard to dispute...
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
@TheRealSteel ...You fucktards keep saying I would like to see...Thre are MANN n NNNY videos, unedited, on youtube alone which show the Tiger fukking off like the pussy cat you are when the Lion comes in to feed. Not to mention real, one on one, unedited fights. I have never seen a Lion run like the Tiger does from it. Not from another Lion not from and elephant. The Tiger runs like a pussycat up the curtain from a vacuum cleaner. Get yr eyes straight. Or do you need help? Don't be annoying.
jcifv1 1 year ago
@jcifv1, put a sock in it gurlyman, there are many bullshit video's, even hollywood took sides the debate and you boys call it "evidence".... Lions always move out of elephants/rhino's way, tigers chase them both lol. The tiger is only animal that can wade into the croc's lake and take his food...
I'd love to see a wild Bengal tiger, a rhino killer, take on a wild lion, lets see who is the best then, not this rubbish.
TheRealSteel 1 year ago
There have been encounters between tigers and leopards... Dholes are the tigers main enemy, they're phyiscally small but a large pack will not hesitate to attack a young adult tiger. Dholes have even killed buffalo, they eat prey alive and unlike most animals are not deterred by casualties during the hunt.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
And also the original point is that tigers do not come into confrontation often and are far less experienced than lions in fighting.
Don't try to make it seem as though tigers are as agressive or experienced because it's proven both scientifically and sociologically that they are not.
'Encounters' may happen but they are uncommon and almost never serious.
You may prefer the tiger but if you're going to argue about fighting at least use valid points.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
I know your lion biased but I'll just relay the facts without bias. Me I like both cats in equel measure, but the tiger is deffinately equel to a lion in combat, only lion fans say otherwise. Most "expert opion" comes from biased sources. I'd like to know where you get your info from, because the picture you paint isn't a tiger.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
See again there is your error, you say things like 'tigers are known', a tiger was once also known to have killed an elephant but noone will ever tell you that this is common, tigers killing leopards doesn't happen often, lions have been known to catch and kill cheetahs, but it doesn't happen often.
an 800 lb nilgai is a specimen 40% larger than even the largest nilgai reach, so that is incorrect, and you may call them pen pushers but cambridge do things thoroughly that's why they're a top uni.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
You've made a string of errors yourself, don't point fingers.
Acording to Valmik Thapar who was comentating, he's the foremost expert at Ranthambore btw, the blue bull (nilgai) weighed atleast 800lbs. Asiatic male lions also hunt nilgai, I saw one chase down a nilgai. Even the Asiatic lion is a better hunter than its African cousin it seems.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Quote from a hunter: "The weights of nilgai will vary depending on age, but a mature bull will reach upwards of 650 pounds. The nilgai stands about five feet at the shoulder, and the animal is all muscle and bone wrapped inside an extremely thick hide".
Anything else?
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
I'm not saying guars aren't dangerous, all I'm saying is that they are not as agressive or dangerous as cape buffalo and they will also be easier to take down for quite a few other reasons.
You can't give me a quote from a nameless hunter and put it as evidence here are some sources for you:
en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Nilgai
ultimateungulate(dot)com/Artiodactyla/Boselaphus_tragocamelus(dot)html
.scirecordbook(dot)org/nilgai/
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Easier to take down? Do enlighten me as to how an animal that can smash a full grown tiger into a tree, damaging the tree, is easier to take down than is smaller, less muscular cousins?
Ok, forget using a bloke who actually shot a nilgai as evidence, lets go with expert Valmik Thapar, unlike wikipedia, he can't be edited by the public lol.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
Actually cape buffalo have higher proportionate muscle mass, lions also do not have the luxary of ambush in most cases as tigers do, normally once this tactic has failed with tigers against bigger animals they don't persue it.
Also cape buffalo are far more agressive and live in much bigger herds up to 200 individuals
cape buffalo are far more dangerous than guar.
Yes let's forget the nameless hunter you provided who shot 1 nilgai and probably didn't weigh it over various credited sources
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
How do make that out? I've seen them both up close and a guar looks like a bodybuilder, I was shocked at how huge and ripped the guars muscles were. You can hardly see the muscle tone on a buffalo compared to a guar. No wonder they're called "bos guarus" it is the boss.
Yes lets forget him and go with Valmik Thapar's 800lbs.
TheRealSteel 2 years ago
How do I make it out? Cape buffalo live in a far hotter climate than guar, and harsher conditions, plus they live in herds up to 200 individuals, lions can hardly ever attack by ambush and cape buffalo are far more agressive... Cape buffalo are much harder to kill than guar.
Him? I gave you various sources and I can give you much more which are far more reliable than one hunter who shot one nilgai and estimated it's weight.
Oliiiverr 2 years ago
Africa is far hotter than India is it? Thats news to me, in parts of India it can reach over 50c in summer and freeze in winter, thats why Indians can thrive with the toughest conditions. You have to be tough to survive India, trust me I know.
Lions spend more time hunting zebra, warthog and gnu than they do buffalo, law of