the problem is that some listeners are confused as between bahar and miyan ki malhar. the ni dha NI sa phrase also occurs in bahar. mostly in upper register and taken more rapidly. in miyan ki malhar it is slower and more often in the lower register.
the fact that all three raags (shahana, bahar, and mian malhar) belong to the same thaat kafi might explain the similarities and the confusion in differentiating them.
the nicest thing about the recording is the absence of that horrid harmonium . the sarangi is beautiful. i have heard sufiyana kalam in puthwari accompanied by a sitar without sympathetic strings and a pitcher.this by a group in britain.
ok you know better of course, but i hear that ni dha ni phrase when he sings "bakhubi". dont you? and several other places, esp when the support singer sings taans. they may be slipping into miyaan ki malhaar and since that is so recognizable we hear it...
agreed that the sarangi is simply beautiful. this concert was held in New Delhi. The sarangi nawaz is Sri Inderlal. He matches the vocalist note for note.
@ambindia while i largely agree with u, in noticing absence of the teevra nishad, the extra stress on Gandhar, is uncharacteristic of typical shahana's and much more a miyan-malhar type usage. the strong meend P-G-M-R, is very typical M-ki-M. however at places like 3:15-3:20 u can clearly hear them using teevra-nishad too.some thing like R'P'G'M'R'nS'R'. in colclusion it s inconclusive.
I very much agree with you, but truth is its Shahana. I have heard Munshi jee saying this is a special technique of Shahana which cant be used in Khayal, although he didn't elaborate. Now since most of us are Khayal listeners, therefore we find it contrary.
Actually this is the shahana. In the recording that I have, Munshi Raziuddin says that he is now presenting shahana by Hazrat Amir Khusrau. Plus I have 3 other recordings of this same raag made over 20+ years and each time it is described as being the Shahana.
This sounds like Mian Ki Malhar, It does not sound like Shahana at all. It has
Mian ki Malhar surs pa, ga ma re sa.. Shahana is pa, ga, ma, da, ni, pa..... ( Ga & ni are komal )
Shahana only has one Nishad ( komal ni ). In this bandish they are using both Nishads ( ni ) which is
a signature of Mian ki Malhar. The sargam they are singing is Mian Ki malhar and not Shahana. So this is Mian Ki Malhar, There is nothing in this bandish that sounds like Shahana. Its a mistake in the name
whatever raag it is...it is truly wonderful!
arifkhan100 8 months ago
Definitely raag Shahana!
jasiddiqi 1 year ago
Its certainly Shahana,,,,,
cirrhosed 2 years ago
the problem is that some listeners are confused as between bahar and miyan ki malhar. the ni dha NI sa phrase also occurs in bahar. mostly in upper register and taken more rapidly. in miyan ki malhar it is slower and more often in the lower register.
ambindia 3 years ago
the fact that all three raags (shahana, bahar, and mian malhar) belong to the same thaat kafi might explain the similarities and the confusion in differentiating them.
bohotkhoob 3 years ago
the support singer even sings 'ni dha ni sa" in sargam!
vinaypande 3 years ago
the nicest thing about the recording is the absence of that horrid harmonium . the sarangi is beautiful. i have heard sufiyana kalam in puthwari accompanied by a sitar without sympathetic strings and a pitcher.this by a group in britain.
ambindia 3 years ago
ok you know better of course, but i hear that ni dha ni phrase when he sings "bakhubi". dont you? and several other places, esp when the support singer sings taans. they may be slipping into miyaan ki malhaar and since that is so recognizable we hear it...
vinaypande 3 years ago
agreed that the sarangi is simply beautiful. this concert was held in New Delhi. The sarangi nawaz is Sri Inderlal. He matches the vocalist note for note.
bohotkhoob 3 years ago
it cannot be miyan ki malhar.the characteristic phrase of miyan ki malhar is the one in which the two nishads are sung with dhaivat in between.
sounds pretty much like shahana,which in turn takes from bahar.
again, shahana is more in the middle and upper register, whereas miyan ki malhar takes in quite a bit of the lower register.
ambindia 3 years ago
@ambindia while i largely agree with u, in noticing absence of the teevra nishad, the extra stress on Gandhar, is uncharacteristic of typical shahana's and much more a miyan-malhar type usage. the strong meend P-G-M-R, is very typical M-ki-M. however at places like 3:15-3:20 u can clearly hear them using teevra-nishad too.some thing like R'P'G'M'R'nS'R'. in colclusion it s inconclusive.
shankyxyz 1 year ago
@shankyxyz
I very much agree with you, but truth is its Shahana. I have heard Munshi jee saying this is a special technique of Shahana which cant be used in Khayal, although he didn't elaborate. Now since most of us are Khayal listeners, therefore we find it contrary.
cirrhosed 1 year ago
this definitely sounds like miyaan-ki-malhar..
vinaypande 3 years ago
Wouldn't this be in MiyaN ki Malhar instead of Shahana?
igorjee 3 years ago
Actually this is the shahana. In the recording that I have, Munshi Raziuddin says that he is now presenting shahana by Hazrat Amir Khusrau. Plus I have 3 other recordings of this same raag made over 20+ years and each time it is described as being the Shahana.
szainmujtaba 3 years ago
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KomissarX 8 months ago
This sounds like Mian Ki Malhar, It does not sound like Shahana at all. It has
Mian ki Malhar surs pa, ga ma re sa.. Shahana is pa, ga, ma, da, ni, pa..... ( Ga & ni are komal )
Shahana only has one Nishad ( komal ni ). In this bandish they are using both Nishads ( ni ) which is
a signature of Mian ki Malhar. The sargam they are singing is Mian Ki malhar and not Shahana. So this is Mian Ki Malhar, There is nothing in this bandish that sounds like Shahana. Its a mistake in the name
by someone.
KomissarX 8 months ago
yes does sound like miyaan ki malhaar
vinaypande 3 years ago
I have 4 recordings of the Shahana by Munshi Raziuddin. All are amazing, but in my opinion, this is probably the 2nd best of the lot.
szainmujtaba 3 years ago
wah
wah
wah
sufismhamza 4 years ago
wah!
dibadasa 4 years ago