Gladiator has a much better soundtrack it has several awesome songs when pirates has only one song which makes it as ridiculous as indiana jones. And pirates is a fucking children movie and it sucks Gladiator on the other hand is awesome
Let's see . . . Badelt worked on Gladiator (he composed some of the tracks albeit not this one) and Zimmer influenced/oversaw Pirates 1 - so much so that they jokingly wrote "Overproduced by Hans Zimmer" in the credits. Call it unoriginal if you want, but Pirates is an improvement over Gladiator. That being said, Gladiator also has several really good tracks that don't sound anything like this, so I can't say that the album is necessarily worse; just this one song.
I'll be honest, I've always like POTC theme better, but in a real life or death scenario like war, there's not much out there better than Gladiator's theme. Just goes to show the amazing talent that it takes to convey two completely different tones with an extremely similar set of songs.
the director wanted Zimmer to do the score, unfortunately he didn't have got the time, so he gave the job to a friend and former employee and gave help and permission to use the gladiator theme as a base.
I love both. While the tune is recognizable, the tone of each fits with its respective film. And both add just the right amount of epic to epic moments.
Awesome scores :D never forget when I was watching Gladiator and my mum heard only the music she was like, "I thought you were watching Gladiator not Pirates!!"
What happens is that composers help out with little melodies while (usually) they have a team that does the rest. The more intricate things like the bigger parts of the orchestration and filling in with other instruments. However, it is still the composer that does the MAJOR composing.
Klaus Badelt worked with Hans Zimmer to write Gladiator; the actual POTC/Gladiator theme that this video is about was written by Klaus for Gladiator. He then used it as the theme for POTC because, as we can all agree, it is so cool.
So Klaus copied himself - Hans Zimmer didn't steal anything
I for one am glad that he copied it, because I think it works better for pirates anyways
Bruckheimer had finished shooting POTC1, but was unhappy with the music by Alan Silvestri and wanted a replacement score. Bruckheimer wanted Zimmer to rescore the film, but due to his commitments on The Last Samurai, the task of composing and supervising music for it was given to Klaus Badelt, one of Zimmer's colleagues. Zimmer provided some themes that were used in the film, although he is not credited on screen.
No controversy, just a helping hand. Both are epic soundtrack though (:
I have always agreed that these themes are nearly identical. I also like the Pirates version more just because obviously the composer had more time to flesh it out and make it sound even better.
You have to be deaf to think these songs are the same. Sure there is a sort of similarity but if you have a musical ear you can definetly hear the difference.
@Twycross You don't need a musical ear to hear the difference. The fact that the two themes have differences is quite obvious. I think you need a musical ear to notice that they're really quite similar...the chord progressions and rhythms are almost identical
@akabakabakab Worked* He discovered Badelt. Badelt then went on his own. Pirates was sorta a 'on his own thing' but Hans still was a part of it. As can be seen because he composed for POTC2
How about Star Wars and Superman.. :) they're a bit alike. Don't get me wrong I love Williams... Zimmer and Badelt too. Btw, Badelt's name can be found also from the Gladiator soundtrack's composers list. And Zimmer from PotC.
But that still doesn't explain why they are the same. John Williams did the soundtracks for Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones and Harry Potter (to name a few) and they aren't all nearly identical.
what the hell is the name of the soundtrack for the gladiator one. i can't find it anywhere except here and i want the full version withouth POTC coming in
Heh heh I was just listening to the Gladiator soundtrack and realised it sounded really similar to the PotC music - thank God I'm not the only one who saw it!
I think the reason Media Ventures recycled the music is because originally Alan Silvestri was gonna compose Pirates of the Caribbean. Klaus Badelt, Hans Zimmer and I believe thirteen other composers had to make this in a ridiculously short period of time.
I'd be pretty pissed if I employed them to knock up some tunes for my kickass movie and they used the same one from last time just changes a couple of bits... It is like asking for a painting to be done for you and finding out that they traced someone elses. I'd want a refund... I love the tune though... both of them;-)
ehm^^ also für mich sind das 2 unterschiedliches themen die vllt. aus den gleichen tönen zusammen gebaut sind, aber kein grund geben weswegen ihr son wirbel drum macht^^
ye, Gladiator FTW! i like both movies, but the gladiator was still 100 times bether than pirates of the carribean, the movie was bether, the music was bether, and i just love the gladiator. =)
hah, I noticed this last time I saw the gladiator, I was like "wth!? pirates of the carribean stole their main theme?" The Gladiator and Hans Zimmer ftw <3
hans zimmer made both themes
agentkapser 5 days ago
In what possible way is that ironic?
samalker1 2 months ago
Y gladiator is older than pirate of caraïbe
TheLordZib 2 months ago
I immediately heard the similarity when I saw gladiator for the first time 1 day ago.
armorsmith95 3 months ago
Gladiator has a much better soundtrack it has several awesome songs when pirates has only one song which makes it as ridiculous as indiana jones. And pirates is a fucking children movie and it sucks Gladiator on the other hand is awesome
NorrlandAVP 3 months ago
Like POTC version better.
FearTheLivingDFG 6 months ago
Each soundtrack fits it´s movie better. Gladiator's in POTC would sound too serious. POTC's in Gladiator would sound too gay.
OldMiserMM 6 months ago 7
@OldMiserMM are you saying pirates of the carribean is gay bitch!!!!!!!!
physcoMatt 3 months ago
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I HEARD thats why i searched this
giraffeman3705 7 months ago 8
Let's see . . . Badelt worked on Gladiator (he composed some of the tracks albeit not this one) and Zimmer influenced/oversaw Pirates 1 - so much so that they jokingly wrote "Overproduced by Hans Zimmer" in the credits. Call it unoriginal if you want, but Pirates is an improvement over Gladiator. That being said, Gladiator also has several really good tracks that don't sound anything like this, so I can't say that the album is necessarily worse; just this one song.
klw7789 7 months ago
Gladiator > Pirates.
jesusfreakguy711 8 months ago
I'll be honest, I've always like POTC theme better, but in a real life or death scenario like war, there's not much out there better than Gladiator's theme. Just goes to show the amazing talent that it takes to convey two completely different tones with an extremely similar set of songs.
Addthefun 10 months ago
Zimmer made the major themes while Badlet filled in the rest, so I hear.
creaturelover 10 months ago
Zimmer went and pulled a Williams.
Maddolis 11 months ago
the director wanted Zimmer to do the score, unfortunately he didn't have got the time, so he gave the job to a friend and former employee and gave help and permission to use the gladiator theme as a base.
jorishermans 1 year ago
Klaus Badelt is Hans Zimmer's apprentice
kasumineechan 1 year ago
I love both. While the tune is recognizable, the tone of each fits with its respective film. And both add just the right amount of epic to epic moments.
WhiteWolf895 1 year ago
Awesome scores :D never forget when I was watching Gladiator and my mum heard only the music she was like, "I thought you were watching Gladiator not Pirates!!"
creaturelover 1 year ago
What happens is that composers help out with little melodies while (usually) they have a team that does the rest. The more intricate things like the bigger parts of the orchestration and filling in with other instruments. However, it is still the composer that does the MAJOR composing.
Rolungo 1 year ago
correction the Pirates of Carribean music sounds like Gladiator's music. Gladiator came out way b4 Pirates did
jerseyboi217 1 year ago
Klaus Badelt worked with Hans Zimmer to write Gladiator; the actual POTC/Gladiator theme that this video is about was written by Klaus for Gladiator. He then used it as the theme for POTC because, as we can all agree, it is so cool.
So Klaus copied himself - Hans Zimmer didn't steal anything
I for one am glad that he copied it, because I think it works better for pirates anyways
acdaced 1 year ago
@acdaced Wrong. Hans Zimmer copied it from himself.
Rolungo 1 year ago
Similarities, of course, but I personally prefer the Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack.
Soreanol 1 year ago
Bruckheimer had finished shooting POTC1, but was unhappy with the music by Alan Silvestri and wanted a replacement score. Bruckheimer wanted Zimmer to rescore the film, but due to his commitments on The Last Samurai, the task of composing and supervising music for it was given to Klaus Badelt, one of Zimmer's colleagues. Zimmer provided some themes that were used in the film, although he is not credited on screen.
No controversy, just a helping hand. Both are epic soundtrack though (:
xheathersmith 1 year ago
@xheathersmith A ha! So it's Bruckheimer's fault! Hans Zimmer just isn't known for being that lazy.
Galvanez 1 year ago
I have always agreed that these themes are nearly identical. I also like the Pirates version more just because obviously the composer had more time to flesh it out and make it sound even better.
hantonr 1 year ago
not surprising, as hans zimmer worked on teh potc soundtrack...
ChUbErTaL 1 year ago
Yeah so true... they both still sound really good but prefer the Gladiators one
Jayc567 1 year ago
i watched the movie lastnight and i was like hmmm this sounds likes pirates of the carribean... and i bet its on youtube... sure enoguh it is!
physcoMatt 2 years ago
You have to be deaf to think these songs are the same. Sure there is a sort of similarity but if you have a musical ear you can definetly hear the difference.
Twycross 2 years ago
@Twycross You don't need a musical ear to hear the difference. The fact that the two themes have differences is quite obvious. I think you need a musical ear to notice that they're really quite similar...the chord progressions and rhythms are almost identical
ravdawg3 1 year ago
@ravdawg3
No one is denying they are similar but I just enjoy both for what they are.
Twycross 1 year ago
They're stylistically similar, but what do you expect? Badelt works for Zimmer.
1RadicalOne 2 years ago
One R, two Bs in Caribbean...
JoeSnyderwalk 2 years ago
i dont get it...
nusua 1 year ago
The dodoart8 dude mispelled the word "Caribbean" in the video title.
JoeSnyderwalk 1 year ago
has anyone played Killzone 2 and noticed how similar it's music is to a star wars track?
jimbo9203 2 years ago
The POTC soundtracks were produced by Hans Zimmer. Badelt works for Zimmer's studio. That quite explains it, I think.
akabakabakab 2 years ago 28
@akabakabakab Worked* He discovered Badelt. Badelt then went on his own. Pirates was sorta a 'on his own thing' but Hans still was a part of it. As can be seen because he composed for POTC2
Rolungo 1 year ago
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it.
The funny part is that Hans Zimmer ended up composing the 2nd one and 3rd one too... hmmmm
Rolungo 2 years ago
How about Star Wars and Superman.. :) they're a bit alike. Don't get me wrong I love Williams... Zimmer and Badelt too. Btw, Badelt's name can be found also from the Gladiator soundtrack's composers list. And Zimmer from PotC.
Faculty123 2 years ago
Hans Zimmer wrote the scores to both movies.
But that still doesn't explain why they are the same. John Williams did the soundtracks for Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones and Harry Potter (to name a few) and they aren't all nearly identical.
PacmansPlayground 2 years ago
has somebody mentioned thad according to IMDB, both Zimmer AND Badelt worked on Gladiator music? ;-)
828centrum 2 years ago 2
Nope...and no one mentioned that they had only 4 days to compose music for POTC 1 and that at least seven other composers helped them with it.
By the way I like the Pirates version better.
kamil99994 2 years ago 12
But hans zimmer composed the last two movies...
TubeMastah 2 years ago
pffff. say please!
Undertaker934eva 2 years ago
what the hell is the name of the soundtrack for the gladiator one. i can't find it anywhere except here and i want the full version withouth POTC coming in
imadi88 2 years ago
It's the Barbarian Horde and it comes in around 5:30
andy4utk 2 years ago
Heh heh I was just listening to the Gladiator soundtrack and realised it sounded really similar to the PotC music - thank God I'm not the only one who saw it!
I adore the music to both :-)
SableCatDog 2 years ago
Gladiator came before pirates but still i love them both!
filmergeek 2 years ago
i knew they sounded similar...im watching gladiator right now and it reminded me of pirate music, but only because of the movie...
checkle1 3 years ago
I think the reason Media Ventures recycled the music is because originally Alan Silvestri was gonna compose Pirates of the Caribbean. Klaus Badelt, Hans Zimmer and I believe thirteen other composers had to make this in a ridiculously short period of time.
Fredvdp 3 years ago
I'd be pretty pissed if I employed them to knock up some tunes for my kickass movie and they used the same one from last time just changes a couple of bits... It is like asking for a painting to be done for you and finding out that they traced someone elses. I'd want a refund... I love the tune though... both of them;-)
m1leswilliams 3 years ago
ya gladiator was before pirates wen i watched it i was like wtf
filmergeek 3 years ago
ehm^^ also für mich sind das 2 unterschiedliches themen die vllt. aus den gleichen tönen zusammen gebaut sind, aber kein grund geben weswegen ihr son wirbel drum macht^^
für mich eine mischung aus neid und eifersucht :D
Venicen 3 years ago
absolutely agree...when I saw Pirates of the Caribean I thought that The battle theme was stolen...but anyway, it´s suitting with the movie
joseant1922 3 years ago
Both movies are HansZ+KlausB....
BezemerPeter 3 years ago
I fucking LOVE Gladiator
gangstah09 3 years ago 3
wierd isnt it..
WillPG1212 3 years ago
i just realized that recently.
dwts27 3 years ago
hans and klaus worked on both soundtracks. coz one got their name on the best song for gladiator, i guess they switched on PotC
koolkeano 3 years ago
That's not ironic at all, you twit.
MrKomodo 3 years ago
ye, Gladiator FTW! i like both movies, but the gladiator was still 100 times bether than pirates of the carribean, the movie was bether, the music was bether, and i just love the gladiator. =)
CSALovedUSA 3 years ago
I have both soundtracks, and it's amazing to compare the similarities! I think I like Gladiator best, though.
annamaureen 3 years ago
haha. Zimmer is lazy
craM1806 3 years ago
Exactly. No one stole shit. He just recycled his ideas. : )
Or it could be his way of proving that, even though the Curse of the Black Pearl ST is credited to Klaus Badelt, he did his part.
fillintehblank 3 years ago
hah, I noticed this last time I saw the gladiator, I was like "wth!? pirates of the carribean stole their main theme?" The Gladiator and Hans Zimmer ftw <3
ystein3000 3 years ago
nah, I can notice some similarities, but I wouldn't call it "stolen"
bjoernswe 3 years ago
i would, parts of the Gladiator - The Battle is like the same xP
BTW i think Gladiator is best ennyway :P
CSALovedUSA 3 years ago
Hans Zimmer and Klaus badelt have both worked on Gladiatior and Pirates...
BezemerPeter 3 years ago
Didn't Gladiator come out FIRST, anyways?
o.O;
TehBonfire 3 years ago
wait a minute, didnt hans zimmer compose music for POTC too?
lazyzbeetle 3 years ago
wow... it was like he said transpose this up a bit, and i'll be on vacation!
ahahahahah
CornDogShaun 4 years ago
Are you deaf!!!!
dodoart8 4 years ago
what's stolen?
filmfiend87 4 years ago