Thanks! It was being heavily attacked by religious Kooks, as they always do to our Pro-Reality videos. We frustrate them by not allowing them to try and label a video "bad" by their spamming of ratings, but allow them the opportunity to post a cogent comment, which they never do, since they're incapable of it. Thanks for watching too! Be Well!
Nothing. When craig can write a prescription, as we are able to do, he'll be a "Doctor," but up until that time, and as long as he lives in a state of Psychiatric Delusion, he will be known as Little billy craig, the religiously sick Kook. Thanks for posting too!
2'05".... The part that really got me saying: "WOW" o.O
Yeah, when it comes to Christians, it's the "holy spirit" the SELF-AUTHENTICATES their faith is true... WOW... A great axiom in epistemology...... NOT....
Yes, he is delusional... and to think he is considered the "best man" in Christian apologetics... "The boss"... hehehehe
When you come down to it, he's just an evangelist..a charlatan. He engages in debates and speaking engagements and gets well paid for it. This is his job and I highly doubt he believes the crap he spews. Theological philosophy is such a colossal waste of human brain power. He's nothing but a giant windbag of philosophical fluff.
I doubt you ever heard what he has to say. You cut and paste and just call names. He has many proofs for God's existence like the teleological and cosmological arguments that you will never discuss. The inner gut feeling that you criticize is just one of many he has to offer.
BY the way even Richard dawkins and Darwin admitted that they have this inner feeling too.
@rafikgl He never provides any. Ive noticed that he likes 2 make lists of so-called "evidences" but never really get to them. Oh wait... Let's see: he thinks that if a god doesnt exists, then, it'd mean there's no cosmic purpose 4 the existence of all things. This seems to trouble him. Therefore, a god exists. The ontological? Let him do lists. Lists are fun... but quantity is still not the same as quality. Yup. Ive seen too much of the "god of the gaps" argument & ad hominems in his rhetoric
Craig is neither an idiot or sick, it's pretty clear that he have a decent grasp of logic and have the ability to construct real arguments if you watch any of his debates.
Unfortunately, he is also a lying scumbag who have realized that the real money is leading the religious sheep, instead of having a mediocre academic career.
I'm no fan of Dr. Craig, but I think this video is a little overblown. Craig is clearly a functional human being, he just clings habitually to stupid, pseudo-intellectual ideas and is also likely on somebody's payroll to say the things he does. Videos like this sound dangerously like drcraigvid's style of confrontation.
@Staunts You ever heard of functionally disabled? He clearly falls under that category. And dont you think, perhaps, that this delusional thinking has lead a disruption in chemical reactions in the brain. By forcing himself to believe these things, he has caused an upset in his brain chemistry. Boom.
I would think someone like VenomfangX would qualify as functionally disabled, because he continually makes decisions that are destructive to his life. Craig can at least hold a job, which I think is precisely what he's doing. It doesnt matter if his arguments suck, someone will pay him to say them, because they're religious and stinking rich.
The maker of this video shouldn't refer to anything as being a mental illness without having a medical explanation (i.e. based on physical abnormalities). People throw the term "mental illness" around way too often. The person also claims that Craig is a danger to both the United States and the earth. If he maker of this video is serious, then perhaps HE should see a therapist. Atheists (I'm an agnostic) are spiritually and intellectually shallow as a group (at least on the internet).
@jpayne68177 You just called nearly every scientist intellectually shallow. Maybe you don't know what atheism is? A lot of people don't, so don't feel bad about doing some research.
An atheist is a person who believes that they can know something that they cannot. We are limited to our senses and imagination. The atheist worldview (as it is with everyone's worldview) is created by the imagination and is thus imaginary (imagination loosely based on reality). Be grounded in your body, on your senses, that is where reality lies. Believing that you have telepathy and the ability to travel through time and space is delusional.
"An atheist is a person who believes that they can know something that they cannot."
I'm trying to think if I have ever heard a more retarded, incorrect, twisted completely ignorant definition of the word "Atheist." You're not even close to close.
You are confusing the definition with an assertion of god... you know, something that CANNOT be known.
Atheism is nothing more that rejecting any assertion of god without any evidence. whatsoever.
I was just about to reply to your post when I saw this:
"An atheist is a person who believes that they can know something that they cannot."
You do NOT know what atheism is, you only think you do. Atheism means you are not a theist, as theism is the faith-based belief in a god or gods. A-theism is literally no faith-based belief in a god or gods. So whether you have the intellectual honesty to admit it or not, you as a so-called agnostic are also an atheist.
@TheTexanCanadian How would you define a person who claims that the God of the bible does not exist but is open to the idea of an ultimate higher power (god) of some kind - agnostic or atheist?
Agnostic atheist, so both terms apply. Agnostic because no one can actually know that a higher power of some kind doesn't exist, and atheist because they are rejecting the god of the bible, which is demonstrably false. That's exactly my standpoint, by the way.
@MrToby9999 If I remember its more of an deist - you belive that someone created the world and turn it on, but nothing more. It's on its own from that time. But I may choose only from those two, I would go with agnostic.
Agnostics ARE atheists. If you don't have a positive faith in a god, you are an atheist, no matter WHAT you choose to believe as an alternative. Denying that fact is just about as intellectually shallow as you can get.
No, an agnostic is neutral about it. An agnostic is a person that admits to themselves that they don't have the superpower to know everything about the universe. Many atheists like to believe that they know it all, and more specifically like to believe that the images their imaginations conjured up about the world and universe ARE how it is. This is a perceptual distortion (not being able to tell the difference between reality and imaginary). Being grounded in reality is key
@jpayne68177 I'm fairly certain you are correct. What do superpowers have to do with agnosticism or atheism?
If you believe atheists think they have superpowers then you are taking a position of certainty (and making a wild assertion) that you have nothing but your own observations and feelings to back up.
You are guilty of the same thing you accuse atheists of. IE; claiming knowledge without proof.
Oh, and I'm an agnostic atheist. How do you square that?
@jpayne68177 Some atheists. Not, by any stretch of your understanding of anything, do ALL atheists think or say the things you ascribe to them. You are being unfair. And as biased and opinionated as those you decry.
Let me rewrite your previous comment from an agnostic viewpoint:
'It's based on my limited understanding of language and my probably biased perception of how atheists use it. In other words; just my opinion.'
An atheist is a person who believes that they can know something that they cannot." and "
It's based on my understanding of the English language and how atheists use it.'
seems your understandment of the English language is lacking when it comes to words coming from ancient languages like Greek or Latin, a in front of the word just means NOT nothing more nothing less
"An agnostic is a person that admits to themselves that they don't have the superpower to know everything about the universe."
This has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism is to say "THAT particular god does not exist" when talking about a specific god. It is not to say that no god, no supernatural being of any kind, can exist. You're misrepresenting atheism, which just highlights you choose to misunderstand. Agnosticism as you define it is just laziness.
Texan is correct that you don't seem to know what athesim is. Firstly, it is not a knowledge position. It is a belief position. An atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe that there are gods.
An agnostic is not someone who hasn't decided. Agnosticism is a knowledge position, regarding dieties, it is the position that it cannot be known if there are gods or not.
I myself am an agnostic atheist. I don't know that there are no gods but I don't believe there are.
@TheCelticChimp You really cant tell if there is a floating space wizard, controlling what you do, and just waiting for you to make a choice which side you are on?
Seriously? When you see a tree, you think "That could only have been from magic"?
"Agnostic" still, and always will be the "purgatory" (Nice touch +1) of reality based human beings. Too scared to acknowledge the reality that is right in front of their faces.
If this is a response to my comment to jpayne68177 I can only assume you didn't read it properly.
Agnostic is an epistemological position. Granted it used by some people to mean fence sitting but that just isn't what it means. To be a gnostic atheist as you seem to be suggesting you are, you are making the claim that you KNOW there are no gods. A position I find just as ridiculous when held by the religious who claim to KNOW that god/gods exist.
Your comments are proof that just because you are talking, that in no way validates anything that you are saying. The rest of us still think you are just another run of the mill, coffee house philosophers still oh so in love with hearing your self blabber on.
You don't understand the meaning of the words you are using, you start condescending to me about sky wizards even after I already stated I don't believe in any gods and you think I am the one blabbering. :)
I can only presume that your comment (left after I indicated I was done with the conversation) was you pretending that I was harrasing you in some way. Wonderful irony. Then again, it is definately possible that you weren't able to read or understand my last comment :)
You can stop crying now, I have no desire to interact with you further.
While I am sure there are some atheists who hold that position, they are relatively rare. I have been active in various atheist communities for over 20 years and I have yet to encounter one.
More common are those atheists who know that certain specific gods like Yahweh or Allah etc don't exist. Any such convictions are based on arguements about the logical impossibilty and internal inconsitancies of these gods as they are described.
@jpayne68177 just write off anyone who claims to know either way as a complete moron, not worthy of conversing with. This would of course include the majority of theists, they are simply not intelligent enough to converse with.
Hang on, when the Christians claim that there evidence is holy scripture, and that holy scripture contradicts the very god it describes, I think it is fair to say that we have solid evidence from both sides for the non-existence of God. We don't need to be agnostic. A perfect god will never make or allow errors in his scripture for any reason.
LAME craig is so bad at science he still thinks as the ancient greeks that your mind and feelings are in the heart and follows that thats how he knows god.People feel and think in their brain but then again you may not have one LAME craig so you may not have a frame of reference.
@ahhninjadragon Great point. If Craig had to undergo a heart transplant, would he believe what the previous owner of the new heart believed? What if the heart belonged to a Muslim?
@Revelationz24 Its always been there. Ask a real Scientist. Its a question that may never be answered. That doesn't mean God has the answer or the bible.
This video is pure ad-hominem, straw-man garbage. Craig's not saying that "self-authentication" is the only way, but merely corroboration to the evidences for Christianity.
Ya know, when ya hear voices and someone ask were there coming from, if you say God they send you to church when I said Ailens they sent me to a Hospital.
Obviously there are no objective tests in psychiatry (the definition of science) but you don't even take what little rigor psychiatry advises by giving him a "psychiatric assessment" from a professional to determine if he has a "mental illness" (whatever the hell that means). While at the same time, you advocate following the evidence through the rigor of science. The level of irony is thick in this video. This is one of the most moronic videos I've ever watched.
Yes and you have math disorder for being unable to do math as well as me. And I have sibling rivalry disorder because I argued with my brother. 200 years ago you, Craig, and I would have been witches. It's all the same pseudoscientific nonsense of coming up with an explanation that is the same as the observation. A video that advocates science while at the same time calling someone mentally ill...
I have a question. I am guessing your an atheist as I am. That being said aren't human beings simply machines based on past events, biology, and genetics making us all dominoes with no free will ( and only slight unpredictability due to the effects of quantum mechanics). So... that being said does it not make just as much sense that billy believes what he does as it does that you believe what you do? The liberal of today is the conservative of tomorrow... nothing but dominoes
@jdubbin78 Freewill is only a problem for theists, because a deity who knows everything that was, is, and ever will be doesn't sit well with the concept of punishing people for doing what the deity always knew they would do. It's a case of religious people trying to fix a non-problem with a non-answer.
We find that brains (as processors of complex information) are more effective than nerves at making complex decisions eg starfish don't have brains so make standard movements based on nerves only
@Aaron1975melbourne Regardless wether they are more effective or not, however, they are still machines that run only on their construction and past data. Fow there to be free will there must be a ghost in the machine. I am not saying that billy is correct,I am saying that being angry at him is illogical because the same process that lead him to believe what he did lead me to my atheism and it is only the difference in experiences and genetics, not my higher reasoning or intelligence that differ
@jdubbin78 Except the argument of predestiny suggests that brains are irrelevant - after all, if it's all predestined to occur in exactly the way it occurs, then why evolve a brain in the first place... after all, it makes no difference to anything.
That's why I believe that the argument falls flat.
@Aaron1975melbourne Brains didn't evolve for anything, they simply did as a product of natural selection, another process that is governed by set rules. Conciousness gives a great advantage over other animals in the food chain which is why cromagnon man quickly knocked out a bunch of other hominids and predators. Also I am not implying predestination, quantum mechanics (while arguing with relativity) refutes predeterminism.
@jdubbin78 yes, those species where the nervous system intertwined and thus were able to coordinate limbs were more successful at survival. Those that developed brains capable of making decisions based on complex information were more successful again. The question is, why would a brain be more successful than a non-brain, if mechanical responses were just as successful? That's why I think the "dominoes" analogy doesn't really work: the evidence suggests brains make unexpected decisions.
@Aaron1975melbourne First of all thanks for hangin with me. Second of all yes they make much more unpredictable decisions but that's because the brain is intense! It's the most intricate computer in the known galaxy and when you have all these other brains working together with other variables such as disasters working in the future is practically unpredictable. But they are still machines so with the right science and mathematics we could, unlikely in our lifetime make very cohesive predictions
@jdubbin78 Of course. But there's the case that individual humans make collective decisions (in the same way ants do - an ant colony can have the same brainpower of an individual human; thus how they make such impressive structures). So the decisions of an individual are also affected by the collective. Ultimately it really comes down to whether there is any chaos or whether absolutely everything (with no exceptions) is cause and effect.
@Aaron1975melbourne Free will is by deffinition cause without effect. As we know it the only two arguments are A. Relativity, which is cause in effect of macroscopic objects, which holds true in all cases observed, and B. Quantum Mechanics, which is the random nature (or chaos if you will) of particles.
What is scarier WLC is the number of people in America who believe what he says as true. I cant believe that a modern nation in the western world can be so backward. Thankfully I live in a nation where science is more popular than myth. Here the most christians do is put stickers on their bumper bars to signal an idiot is driving.
@scottclements78 America, as a nation, is still in its adolescence. That's why the majority of the population (myself included, on occasion), behave like teenagers; i.e. loud is right, my way or no way, I'm the greatest because I said so, give me what I'm entitled to, ad nauseum.
@mrcoffey most european nations became theocracies before managing to seperate church and state (or take over the church in the UK's case), maybe that's the US' path?
@raverdeath100 If that is indeed the case, my first reaction is I don't think I could stay. I highly doubt it could happen, however, although it could just be wishful thinking on my part.
In last video I watched had some dude commenting: "William Lane Craig is not creationist!" And continued trying to claim that @Thunderf00t is lying in everything... oh well. :D
Well the walls are closing in on William Lane Craig.. his dishonesty & delusional lunacy are coming back to bite him in the behind! It's long due for justice to be served!!!
'Witnessing the holy spirit in my heart - this gives me a self authenticating means of knowing...'
LOL Wow! This guy is supposed to be a PHILOSOPHER? - 'It's true because I know it is'. Wow & he as the nerve to say OTHER people are unsophisticated in their views! If that isn't the epitome of hypocrisy I don't know what IS!
Well, Craig does have real doctorate degrees, but since they are in theology and philosophy, both non-scientific subjects that have zero relevance, they might as well be fake.
Yes, we're being tongue-in-cheek, but as you said, since the disciplines, or areas of "education," we'll make the stretch, that craig has "studied," are only concerning theology and philosophy, we agree, they are worthless when making uninformed, dogma induced, irrational commentary intended to contend with the crisp and real world of Scientific fact and discovery. craig's a Kook. Thanks for watching and posting too! Happy New Year!
@mccainisthroughX I agree. I attended GCU online in Arizona for about four months before I realized every college in the state(apparently) is a fundy fucktard mess. I knew that GCU was a "Christian College" but I still remained under the impression that they held to the national standard of education. They sure act like they are and they have their "T's" crossed but they are so hell-bent on religion NOTHING gets in the way...even your education. It all has a "Christian twist."
@MomoTheBellyDancer Well philosophy has the same requirements as science, it's not a child's game or just a way to be profound, but sadly WLC is as much of a philosopher that I am a priest, check this out: watch?v=hYDPbR0hh8w
@MomoTheBellyDancer Philosophy degrees RULE!!!! Its the institution you get them from that matters... I don't think you would suggest that philosophy professors are irrelevant.... Get in touch....
@MomoTheBellyDancer I wouldn't say philosophy is a "worthless" field with "zero relevance." Theology certainly, but any philosopher worth his or her salt will do their best to live by empirical evidence and reason.
Turn on ratings please. This is the internet. You have an amusing anti-theist video that's about to get a lot of views. Your ratings bar will be quite favorable.
Even if this wasn't the case, its better to be open and honest.
Thanks! We suspended voting since the religious Kooks starting spamming the video and voting down comments to get them to disappear. They are self-righteous control freaks, as all religious dogma supplants in the minds of the weak, cowardly, stupid and mentally infirm. Happy Holidays! Be Well!
William Lane Craig is a pseudo intellectual who must defend his imaginary god and intellectually bankrupt Christian dogma at all costs. Lying to gullible people is his lively hood. He has a great deal of money and time invested in his fairytale career. He dances around his theist dogma to spin the discourse to a philosophical, cosmological deist position where he can amaze the doltish with his imagination dressed as knowledge.
A finely tuned comment, and all truth. Dolt craig refuses to allow Reality to penetrate his thick empty skull. craig is a Moron dressed in a man's clothing, and as such, he's a court jester twirling for an audience of inbred hicks with IQ's in the zero to negative 20 range, and lower. craig's pathetic attempts at sounding bright, all fail badly. It's always funny to watch a fool pretend they're smart, and craig does it effortlessly. Happy Holidays!
Craig gets more attention than he deserves. He fancies himself an intellectual, and to make matters worse, there are people out there who REGARD him as an intellectual.
Perfect comment! craig's use of words says it all; craig often tries to over-pronounce simple words, in a failed attempt to sound intellectual. The sad part is, as you said already, that his audience of defectives believes craig is an "intellectual," when nothing could be further from the truth. craig is an embarrassment to Earth. Happy Holidays!
@Hereticbooks Realy ,isn't that his sales pitch trying to come off as being a intellect that way those listening will actually belive his jiberish .. The oldest snake oil sales trick in the book ,allways pretend your smarter than those your scaming by talking over their heads with fancy words and supposed intellect....
@Hereticbooks I agree with you, most of Craig's fans just get confused when he talks so they just assume it's something smart, when in reality it's his vocabulary far exceeding his intellect.
Good video, wish I could have "liked" it.
AagnosticAtheist49 3 weeks ago
@AagnosticAtheist49
Thanks! It was being heavily attacked by religious Kooks, as they always do to our Pro-Reality videos. We frustrate them by not allowing them to try and label a video "bad" by their spamming of ratings, but allow them the opportunity to post a cogent comment, which they never do, since they're incapable of it. Thanks for watching too! Be Well!
mccainisthroughX 1 week ago
HAHAHA! I needed that. Thanks.
mouthyweasel 3 weeks ago
@mouthyweasel
No, thank you!
mccainisthroughX 1 week ago
What is WLC he a doctor of, exactly?
fatouche99 4 weeks ago
@fatouche99 Dr. Craig is a highly prestigious doctor of stupid. Show a little more respect, would you? =D
bigboy45454545 3 weeks ago
@fatouche99
Nothing. When craig can write a prescription, as we are able to do, he'll be a "Doctor," but up until that time, and as long as he lives in a state of Psychiatric Delusion, he will be known as Little billy craig, the religiously sick Kook. Thanks for posting too!
mccainisthroughX 1 week ago
Why did I just have to see a turd in the beginning? I was going to eat.....
EarlFaulk 4 weeks ago
@EarlFaulk
LOL! Sorry about that. It's just a cross, manufactured out of the bible's essence, poop. Be Well!
mccainisthroughX 1 week ago
Note how Craig's postings won't allow comments. He would not survive criticism.
nebogipfel11 4 weeks ago
@nebogipfel11
True, it would destroy him completely to read about reality, and his lack of connection to it. Thanks for watching too!
mccainisthroughX 1 week ago
"Professional Philosopher", now that is a mircale.
MisterTutor2010 1 month ago
@MisterTutor2010
LOL!
mccainisthroughX 1 week ago
lol good video...and very true.
DIGITALSCREAMS 1 month ago
2'05".... The part that really got me saying: "WOW" o.O
Yeah, when it comes to Christians, it's the "holy spirit" the SELF-AUTHENTICATES their faith is true... WOW... A great axiom in epistemology...... NOT....
Yes, he is delusional... and to think he is considered the "best man" in Christian apologetics... "The boss"... hehehehe
cre599 1 month ago
When you come down to it, he's just an evangelist..a charlatan. He engages in debates and speaking engagements and gets well paid for it. This is his job and I highly doubt he believes the crap he spews. Theological philosophy is such a colossal waste of human brain power. He's nothing but a giant windbag of philosophical fluff.
gigisdad 1 month ago
I doubt you ever heard what he has to say. You cut and paste and just call names. He has many proofs for God's existence like the teleological and cosmological arguments that you will never discuss. The inner gut feeling that you criticize is just one of many he has to offer.
BY the way even Richard dawkins and Darwin admitted that they have this inner feeling too.
rafikgl 1 month ago
@rafikgl he has no "proofs for God's existence",there are none hence the need for faith.
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@rafikgl He never provides any. Ive noticed that he likes 2 make lists of so-called "evidences" but never really get to them. Oh wait... Let's see: he thinks that if a god doesnt exists, then, it'd mean there's no cosmic purpose 4 the existence of all things. This seems to trouble him. Therefore, a god exists. The ontological? Let him do lists. Lists are fun... but quantity is still not the same as quality. Yup. Ive seen too much of the "god of the gaps" argument & ad hominems in his rhetoric
cre599 1 month ago
Thunderfoot :)
bryantAWESOME 1 month ago
Craig is neither an idiot or sick, it's pretty clear that he have a decent grasp of logic and have the ability to construct real arguments if you watch any of his debates.
Unfortunately, he is also a lying scumbag who have realized that the real money is leading the religious sheep, instead of having a mediocre academic career.
acathode 1 month ago
I'm pretty sure a PhD from the University of Birmingham is well respected..
sWeepingsAnd 1 month ago
I clicked for the profile pic...looks like album art or something.
Dr. Craig is a dick, he censors peoples ideas yet calls himself an academic.
Omegashadowyoshi 1 month ago
Ehehehe, I love the voice box
Rarae192 1 month ago
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dave474c 1 month ago
Nicely done mccainisthroughX... craig is clearly delusional. ★★★★★
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Katalyzt 1 month ago
@Katalyzt Craig is delusional? Who's the one who thinks the five-star rating system still applies to YouTube? We use our thumbs here, buddy-boy!
Rarae192 1 month ago
@Rarae192 so,,,,you can still do the stars ....
azmanabdula 1 month ago
@Rarae192
Yes, craig is definitely delusional. ;O)
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Katalyzt 1 month ago
I'm no fan of Dr. Craig, but I think this video is a little overblown. Craig is clearly a functional human being, he just clings habitually to stupid, pseudo-intellectual ideas and is also likely on somebody's payroll to say the things he does. Videos like this sound dangerously like drcraigvid's style of confrontation.
Staunts 1 month ago
@Staunts You ever heard of functionally disabled? He clearly falls under that category. And dont you think, perhaps, that this delusional thinking has lead a disruption in chemical reactions in the brain. By forcing himself to believe these things, he has caused an upset in his brain chemistry. Boom.
DaBamBamMan 1 month ago
I would think someone like VenomfangX would qualify as functionally disabled, because he continually makes decisions that are destructive to his life. Craig can at least hold a job, which I think is precisely what he's doing. It doesnt matter if his arguments suck, someone will pay him to say them, because they're religious and stinking rich.
Staunts 1 month ago
i liked this video if there were a like button
Sol1dH3x 1 month ago
His surname is CRAIG! that is NOT pronounced CREG! aside from that, yes, the guy is a loon.
LooksDead 1 month ago
"Atheist" means that parasites have to pedal their trash to someone more gullible.
AvatarOfAvatar 1 month ago
Unfortunately Craig's PhD and ThD are perfectly legitimate.
HConstantine 1 month ago
@HConstantine
Which just goes to prove that degrees =/= intelligence
TheTexanCanadian 1 month ago
He should have crocoducks coming out of his head.
TouchMyHandHoles 1 month ago
Good video ,although we could've done without the fesses picture .
FrankaDith 1 month ago
VERY well said. I've subbed on the strength of this vid.
I hope you dont limit your attacks to christianity.
SissingPyd 1 month ago
The maker of this video shouldn't refer to anything as being a mental illness without having a medical explanation (i.e. based on physical abnormalities). People throw the term "mental illness" around way too often. The person also claims that Craig is a danger to both the United States and the earth. If he maker of this video is serious, then perhaps HE should see a therapist. Atheists (I'm an agnostic) are spiritually and intellectually shallow as a group (at least on the internet).
jpayne68177 1 month ago
@jpayne68177 You just called nearly every scientist intellectually shallow. Maybe you don't know what atheism is? A lot of people don't, so don't feel bad about doing some research.
Nolgthorn 1 month ago
@Nolgthorn
I know what atheism is :)
An atheist is a person who believes that they can know something that they cannot. We are limited to our senses and imagination. The atheist worldview (as it is with everyone's worldview) is created by the imagination and is thus imaginary (imagination loosely based on reality). Be grounded in your body, on your senses, that is where reality lies. Believing that you have telepathy and the ability to travel through time and space is delusional.
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@jpayne68177
"An atheist is a person who believes that they can know something that they cannot."
I'm trying to think if I have ever heard a more retarded, incorrect, twisted completely ignorant definition of the word "Atheist." You're not even close to close.
You are confusing the definition with an assertion of god... you know, something that CANNOT be known.
Atheism is nothing more that rejecting any assertion of god without any evidence. whatsoever.
nolobede 1 month ago
@jpayne68177
I was just about to reply to your post when I saw this:
"An atheist is a person who believes that they can know something that they cannot."
You do NOT know what atheism is, you only think you do. Atheism means you are not a theist, as theism is the faith-based belief in a god or gods. A-theism is literally no faith-based belief in a god or gods. So whether you have the intellectual honesty to admit it or not, you as a so-called agnostic are also an atheist.
TheTexanCanadian 1 month ago
@TheTexanCanadian How would you define a person who claims that the God of the bible does not exist but is open to the idea of an ultimate higher power (god) of some kind - agnostic or atheist?
MrToby9999 3 weeks ago
@MrToby9999
Agnostic atheist, so both terms apply. Agnostic because no one can actually know that a higher power of some kind doesn't exist, and atheist because they are rejecting the god of the bible, which is demonstrably false. That's exactly my standpoint, by the way.
TheTexanCanadian 3 weeks ago
@MrToby9999 If I remember its more of an deist - you belive that someone created the world and turn it on, but nothing more. It's on its own from that time. But I may choose only from those two, I would go with agnostic.
Berilzar 3 weeks ago
@Berilzar
Good answer, thanks for watching too!
mccainisthroughX 1 week ago
@MrToby9999
Good question. That would be a Deist or Agnostic, the former being what most of America's Founding Fathers were. Thanks for watching too!
mccainisthroughX 1 week ago
@jpayne68177
"Atheists (I'm an agnostic) "
Agnostics ARE atheists. If you don't have a positive faith in a god, you are an atheist, no matter WHAT you choose to believe as an alternative. Denying that fact is just about as intellectually shallow as you can get.
TheTexanCanadian 1 month ago
@TheTexanCanadian
No, an agnostic is neutral about it. An agnostic is a person that admits to themselves that they don't have the superpower to know everything about the universe. Many atheists like to believe that they know it all, and more specifically like to believe that the images their imaginations conjured up about the world and universe ARE how it is. This is a perceptual distortion (not being able to tell the difference between reality and imaginary). Being grounded in reality is key
jpayne68177 1 month ago
@jpayne68177 Being agnostic (on any subject) means admitting you don't know and can't see any way to find out. It is a position of uncertainty.
You seem very certain for someone who espouses agnosticism.
SKELTER1SKELTER 1 month ago
@SKELTER1SKELTER
I'm fairly certain that people don't have extra-sensory perceptions.
jpayne68177 1 month ago
@jpayne68177 I'm fairly certain you are correct. What do superpowers have to do with agnosticism or atheism?
If you believe atheists think they have superpowers then you are taking a position of certainty (and making a wild assertion) that you have nothing but your own observations and feelings to back up.
You are guilty of the same thing you accuse atheists of. IE; claiming knowledge without proof.
Oh, and I'm an agnostic atheist. How do you square that?
SKELTER1SKELTER 1 month ago
@SKELTER1SKELTER
It's based on my understanding of the English language and how atheists use it.
jpayne68177 1 month ago
@jpayne68177 Some atheists. Not, by any stretch of your understanding of anything, do ALL atheists think or say the things you ascribe to them. You are being unfair. And as biased and opinionated as those you decry.
Let me rewrite your previous comment from an agnostic viewpoint:
'It's based on my limited understanding of language and my probably biased perception of how atheists use it. In other words; just my opinion.'
You see the difference?
SKELTER1SKELTER 1 month ago
@SKELTER1SKELTER
Believe whatever you want. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
jpayne68177 1 month ago
@jpayne68177 I haven't outlined my beliefs. You are assuming you know them. As you assume to know the beliefs of atheists.
It seems you are the one who thinks they have ESP.
PS. I sleep horribly.
SKELTER1SKELTER 1 month ago
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@jpayne68177 "I know what atheism is :)
An atheist is a person who believes that they can know something that they cannot." and "
It's based on my understanding of the English language and how atheists use it.'
seems your understandment of the English language is lacking when it comes to words coming from ancient languages like Greek or Latin, a in front of the word just means NOT nothing more nothing less
Toudiyama 1 month ago
@jpayne68177
Cont'd.
"An agnostic is a person that admits to themselves that they don't have the superpower to know everything about the universe."
This has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism is to say "THAT particular god does not exist" when talking about a specific god. It is not to say that no god, no supernatural being of any kind, can exist. You're misrepresenting atheism, which just highlights you choose to misunderstand. Agnosticism as you define it is just laziness.
TheTexanCanadian 1 month ago
@TheTexanCanadian
Believe whatever you want :)
I disagree, but now I'm done caring (just wanted to inform you).
jpayne68177 1 month ago
@jpayne68177
I don't care what you care about. You are wrong, I corrected you have a nice day being willfully ignorant.
TheTexanCanadian 1 month ago
@jpayne68177
Texan is correct that you don't seem to know what athesim is. Firstly, it is not a knowledge position. It is a belief position. An atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe that there are gods.
An agnostic is not someone who hasn't decided. Agnosticism is a knowledge position, regarding dieties, it is the position that it cannot be known if there are gods or not.
I myself am an agnostic atheist. I don't know that there are no gods but I don't believe there are.
TheCelticChimp 1 month ago
@TheCelticChimp You really cant tell if there is a floating space wizard, controlling what you do, and just waiting for you to make a choice which side you are on?
Seriously? When you see a tree, you think "That could only have been from magic"?
"Agnostic" still, and always will be the "purgatory" (Nice touch +1) of reality based human beings. Too scared to acknowledge the reality that is right in front of their faces.
AvatarOfAvatar 1 month ago
@AvatarOfAvatar
If this is a response to my comment to jpayne68177 I can only assume you didn't read it properly.
Agnostic is an epistemological position. Granted it used by some people to mean fence sitting but that just isn't what it means. To be a gnostic atheist as you seem to be suggesting you are, you are making the claim that you KNOW there are no gods. A position I find just as ridiculous when held by the religious who claim to KNOW that god/gods exist.
TheCelticChimp 1 month ago
@TheCelticChimp
You may also want to know that there are no superheros, no easter bunnies, no tooth fairies, and no monsters hiding under your bed also!
Just human's and their stupid inventions.
AvatarOfAvatar 1 month ago
@AvatarOfAvatar
Your comments are proof that atheism is no guarantee of intelligence or even basic reading comprehension.
TheCelticChimp 1 month ago
@TheCelticChimp
Your comments are proof that just because you are talking, that in no way validates anything that you are saying. The rest of us still think you are just another run of the mill, coffee house philosophers still oh so in love with hearing your self blabber on.
AvatarOfAvatar 1 month ago
@AvatarOfAvatar
You don't understand the meaning of the words you are using, you start condescending to me about sky wizards even after I already stated I don't believe in any gods and you think I am the one blabbering. :)
TheCelticChimp 1 month ago
@TheCelticChimp
"I myself am an agnostic atheist. I don't know that there are no gods but I don't believe there are"
I am done wasting any more time with you. You have no idea what you are saying.
AvatarOfAvatar 1 month ago
@AvatarOfAvatar
Wow, you think that statement was contradictory don't you.
Concluding this conversation is a very good idea!
TheCelticChimp 1 month ago
@TheCelticChimp
(Go away)
AvatarOfAvatar 1 month ago
@AvatarOfAvatar
ah..no
I can only presume that your comment (left after I indicated I was done with the conversation) was you pretending that I was harrasing you in some way. Wonderful irony. Then again, it is definately possible that you weren't able to read or understand my last comment :)
You can stop crying now, I have no desire to interact with you further.
TheCelticChimp 1 month ago
@TheCelticChimp
(just like a typical coffee shop prophet... always verbally shitting yourself in an attempt to be heard)
AvatarOfAvatar 1 month ago
@TheCelticChimp
It seems we are each using different meanings (senses) of the word 'atheist'. I'm referring to those atheists that "KNOW" that there is no God.
jpayne68177 1 month ago
@jpayne68177
While I am sure there are some atheists who hold that position, they are relatively rare. I have been active in various atheist communities for over 20 years and I have yet to encounter one.
More common are those atheists who know that certain specific gods like Yahweh or Allah etc don't exist. Any such convictions are based on arguements about the logical impossibilty and internal inconsitancies of these gods as they are described.
TheCelticChimp 1 month ago
@jpayne68177 though im sure such people exist, that is simply NOT what atheism means, it is the lack of belief in god(s).
cbilljones 1 month ago
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@jpayne68177 though im sure such people exist, that is simply NOT what atheism means, it is the lack of belief in god(s).
cbilljones 1 month ago
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@jpayne68177 though im sure such people exist, that is simply NOT what atheism means, it is the lack of belief in gods.
cbilljones 1 month ago
@jpayne68177 just write off anyone who claims to know either way as a complete moron, not worthy of conversing with. This would of course include the majority of theists, they are simply not intelligent enough to converse with.
cbilljones 1 month ago
@cbilljones
Hang on, when the Christians claim that there evidence is holy scripture, and that holy scripture contradicts the very god it describes, I think it is fair to say that we have solid evidence from both sides for the non-existence of God. We don't need to be agnostic. A perfect god will never make or allow errors in his scripture for any reason.
formless777 1 month ago
good vid. wlc is a fool
peterwetton 1 month ago
LAME craig is so bad at science he still thinks as the ancient greeks that your mind and feelings are in the heart and follows that thats how he knows god.People feel and think in their brain but then again you may not have one LAME craig so you may not have a frame of reference.
ahhninjadragon 1 month ago
@ahhninjadragon Great point. If Craig had to undergo a heart transplant, would he believe what the previous owner of the new heart believed? What if the heart belonged to a Muslim?
mrcoffey 1 month ago
What is the difference between a delusion and a delusional disorder?
I think, you're unqualified to make the distinction between behavior and identity.
AlainG80 1 month ago
WLC is so absurd its impossible for him to be anything but an intelligence insulting delusional idiot at best-but more likely just plain insane!
dancingnancy09 1 month ago
Dude, enable ratings. What is this - a creationist video? Come on!
JoeLaTurkeyIII 1 month ago
@JoeLaTurkeyIII Thumbs up to your comment!
benjio77 1 month ago
He's like one of those people who think they're sane and everyone around them is insane. I can't believe he, Craig, actually admits to this.
dXoverdteqprogress 1 month ago
I think the key to understanding Craig would be in his tax returns. I suspect he is a very rich man. Fraud pays.
lewisner 1 month ago
"...self-authenticating" meaning you believe it's true, because you believe it's true. Nice.
alexandermccarthy 1 month ago
Jesus fucking christ put up a not mind safe tag that shit's scary.
TMNEnglish 1 month ago
1:50 pic name please
iamsage14 1 month ago
Is this serious? I cant even tell...
KieIicious 1 month ago
LOL I love it more plz
TheMoggram 1 month ago
subbed.
kenn5545 1 month ago
Mockery is not an argument, buddy. Let me ask you a question. How did the universe begin?
Revelationz24 1 month ago
@Revelationz24 Its always been there. Ask a real Scientist. Its a question that may never be answered. That doesn't mean God has the answer or the bible.
stevjen1 1 month ago
This video is pure ad-hominem, straw-man garbage. Craig's not saying that "self-authentication" is the only way, but merely corroboration to the evidences for Christianity.
Revelationz24 1 month ago
@Revelationz24
"not saying that ... is the only way"
First and foremost? Holy jolt! lol
"evidences for Christianity"
This is why we cant take you seriously any more.
Wrath0fKhan 1 month ago
Its all good... Bills delusion is self-authenticated... lol
Wrath0fKhan 1 month ago
what the hell is a theology degree? how do you get one of those? win a bible trivia contest?
what a fucking joke
wideosvatcher 1 month ago
"god dun it" or "satan dun it" just doesnt cut it for evolved people anymore
it never really did it was a socially acceptable mental illness until the early 2000's.
wideosvatcher 1 month ago
Whats with the poo at the beginning?
osityan 1 month ago
Ya know, when ya hear voices and someone ask were there coming from, if you say God they send you to church when I said Ailens they sent me to a Hospital.
TheCompany0fwolves 1 month ago
He's just a modern day Sophist. Pathetic.
GayTempest 1 month ago
Obviously there are no objective tests in psychiatry (the definition of science) but you don't even take what little rigor psychiatry advises by giving him a "psychiatric assessment" from a professional to determine if he has a "mental illness" (whatever the hell that means). While at the same time, you advocate following the evidence through the rigor of science. The level of irony is thick in this video. This is one of the most moronic videos I've ever watched.
sk8teh14 1 month ago
Yes and you have math disorder for being unable to do math as well as me. And I have sibling rivalry disorder because I argued with my brother. 200 years ago you, Craig, and I would have been witches. It's all the same pseudoscientific nonsense of coming up with an explanation that is the same as the observation. A video that advocates science while at the same time calling someone mentally ill...
sk8teh14 1 month ago
@sk8teh14 Are you a scientologist?
mrcoffey 1 month ago
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andresdohko 1 month ago
Excellent video ! Thanks !
420gma 1 month ago
Hilarious I love it!!!
GiantArapaima74 1 month ago
I believe that science is true when it says what I want but otherwise science seems false. Lol.
tubetib 1 month ago
I have a question. I am guessing your an atheist as I am. That being said aren't human beings simply machines based on past events, biology, and genetics making us all dominoes with no free will ( and only slight unpredictability due to the effects of quantum mechanics). So... that being said does it not make just as much sense that billy believes what he does as it does that you believe what you do? The liberal of today is the conservative of tomorrow... nothing but dominoes
jdubbin78 1 month ago
@jdubbin78 Freewill is only a problem for theists, because a deity who knows everything that was, is, and ever will be doesn't sit well with the concept of punishing people for doing what the deity always knew they would do. It's a case of religious people trying to fix a non-problem with a non-answer.
We find that brains (as processors of complex information) are more effective than nerves at making complex decisions eg starfish don't have brains so make standard movements based on nerves only
Aaron1975melbourne 1 month ago
@Aaron1975melbourne Regardless wether they are more effective or not, however, they are still machines that run only on their construction and past data. Fow there to be free will there must be a ghost in the machine. I am not saying that billy is correct,I am saying that being angry at him is illogical because the same process that lead him to believe what he did lead me to my atheism and it is only the difference in experiences and genetics, not my higher reasoning or intelligence that differ
jdubbin78 1 month ago
@jdubbin78 Except the argument of predestiny suggests that brains are irrelevant - after all, if it's all predestined to occur in exactly the way it occurs, then why evolve a brain in the first place... after all, it makes no difference to anything.
That's why I believe that the argument falls flat.
Aaron1975melbourne 1 month ago
@Aaron1975melbourne Brains didn't evolve for anything, they simply did as a product of natural selection, another process that is governed by set rules. Conciousness gives a great advantage over other animals in the food chain which is why cromagnon man quickly knocked out a bunch of other hominids and predators. Also I am not implying predestination, quantum mechanics (while arguing with relativity) refutes predeterminism.
jdubbin78 1 month ago
@jdubbin78 yes, those species where the nervous system intertwined and thus were able to coordinate limbs were more successful at survival. Those that developed brains capable of making decisions based on complex information were more successful again. The question is, why would a brain be more successful than a non-brain, if mechanical responses were just as successful? That's why I think the "dominoes" analogy doesn't really work: the evidence suggests brains make unexpected decisions.
Aaron1975melbourne 1 month ago
@Aaron1975melbourne First of all thanks for hangin with me. Second of all yes they make much more unpredictable decisions but that's because the brain is intense! It's the most intricate computer in the known galaxy and when you have all these other brains working together with other variables such as disasters working in the future is practically unpredictable. But they are still machines so with the right science and mathematics we could, unlikely in our lifetime make very cohesive predictions
jdubbin78 1 month ago
@jdubbin78 Of course. But there's the case that individual humans make collective decisions (in the same way ants do - an ant colony can have the same brainpower of an individual human; thus how they make such impressive structures). So the decisions of an individual are also affected by the collective. Ultimately it really comes down to whether there is any chaos or whether absolutely everything (with no exceptions) is cause and effect.
Aaron1975melbourne 1 month ago
@Aaron1975melbourne Free will is by deffinition cause without effect. As we know it the only two arguments are A. Relativity, which is cause in effect of macroscopic objects, which holds true in all cases observed, and B. Quantum Mechanics, which is the random nature (or chaos if you will) of particles.
jdubbin78 1 month ago
This video is HILARIOUS!! I have no idea why ratings are disabled? Total pwnage of WLC, brilliant work, thumbs up :)
andyjs2008 1 month ago
Where can I find that picture at 1:50?
AlessaChevalier 1 month ago
What is scarier WLC is the number of people in America who believe what he says as true. I cant believe that a modern nation in the western world can be so backward. Thankfully I live in a nation where science is more popular than myth. Here the most christians do is put stickers on their bumper bars to signal an idiot is driving.
scottclements78 1 month ago
@scottclements78 America, as a nation, is still in its adolescence. That's why the majority of the population (myself included, on occasion), behave like teenagers; i.e. loud is right, my way or no way, I'm the greatest because I said so, give me what I'm entitled to, ad nauseum.
mrcoffey 1 month ago
@mrcoffey most european nations became theocracies before managing to seperate church and state (or take over the church in the UK's case), maybe that's the US' path?
raverdeath100 1 month ago
@raverdeath100 If that is indeed the case, my first reaction is I don't think I could stay. I highly doubt it could happen, however, although it could just be wishful thinking on my part.
mrcoffey 1 month ago
He's just a salesman,must are delusional...esp a product that is only a concept.
vain911 1 month ago
FUCKING OWNED-WLC....YOU JUST GOT YOUR ASS HANDED TO YOU XD
699backstab 1 month ago
After John Leonard of drcraidsvideos fame falsely DMCA thunderf00t, WLC may need leagal help on top of the psychiatric help he needs.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
its the PLACEBO EFFECT.
EdyMar77 1 month ago
In last video I watched had some dude commenting: "William Lane Craig is not creationist!" And continued trying to claim that @Thunderf00t is lying in everything... oh well. :D
Mtaalas 1 month ago
Good video! I was going to subscribe to the channel but I can't thumb up the video. So I'll pass. Oh well.
FaganRoberts 1 month ago
i think WLC would be APPALLED AT THIS SOPHOMORIC ARGUMENT
:D
QuantumChance 1 month ago
Well the walls are closing in on William Lane Craig.. his dishonesty & delusional lunacy are coming back to bite him in the behind! It's long due for justice to be served!!!
uncleboring 1 month ago
A small correction on your video: your theory is not self-authenticating. It´s is thoroughly tested and proven everytime WLC opens his mouth...
I agree with the rest of the video! :)
EverEvolvingApe 1 month ago
'Witnessing the holy spirit in my heart - this gives me a self authenticating means of knowing...'
LOL Wow! This guy is supposed to be a PHILOSOPHER? - 'It's true because I know it is'. Wow & he as the nerve to say OTHER people are unsophisticated in their views! If that isn't the epitome of hypocrisy I don't know what IS!
sitemountain 1 month ago
Why are ratings disabled?
Nanofuture87 1 month ago
TF00t favourited...here come the views...
sloosh6000 1 month ago
Well, Craig does have real doctorate degrees, but since they are in theology and philosophy, both non-scientific subjects that have zero relevance, they might as well be fake.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer
Yes, we're being tongue-in-cheek, but as you said, since the disciplines, or areas of "education," we'll make the stretch, that craig has "studied," are only concerning theology and philosophy, we agree, they are worthless when making uninformed, dogma induced, irrational commentary intended to contend with the crisp and real world of Scientific fact and discovery. craig's a Kook. Thanks for watching and posting too! Happy New Year!
mccainisthroughX 1 month ago
@mccainisthroughX I agree. I attended GCU online in Arizona for about four months before I realized every college in the state(apparently) is a fundy fucktard mess. I knew that GCU was a "Christian College" but I still remained under the impression that they held to the national standard of education. They sure act like they are and they have their "T's" crossed but they are so hell-bent on religion NOTHING gets in the way...even your education. It all has a "Christian twist."
Mikedogg13666 1 month ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer Well philosophy has the same requirements as science, it's not a child's game or just a way to be profound, but sadly WLC is as much of a philosopher that I am a priest, check this out: watch?v=hYDPbR0hh8w
psychoh13 1 month ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer Philosophy degrees RULE!!!! Its the institution you get them from that matters... I don't think you would suggest that philosophy professors are irrelevant.... Get in touch....
tempemonkey 1 month ago
@tempemonkey
"I don't think you would suggest that philosophy professors are irrelevant"
I would certainly argue that WLC is, seeing how he's wasting everybody's time with his sophistry.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 month ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer I wouldn't say philosophy is a "worthless" field with "zero relevance." Theology certainly, but any philosopher worth his or her salt will do their best to live by empirical evidence and reason.
ChoujiMan 1 month ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer very agreeable. and look at his publishing records. low low low
wanabeknut 1 month ago
People twist their beliefs to not even want to look at science to understand the X,Y,Z it is true! Great Job
SunnySide2000 2 months ago
@SunnySide2000
Thanks!
mccainisthroughX 1 month ago
@mccainisthroughX
Turn on ratings please. This is the internet. You have an amusing anti-theist video that's about to get a lot of views. Your ratings bar will be quite favorable.
Even if this wasn't the case, its better to be open and honest.
Ryakki 1 month ago
Love it! Its true.....
SunnySide2000 2 months ago
@SunnySide2000
Yes, funny too!
mccainisthroughX 1 month ago
You should allow rating. Thumbs up.
An0maly777 2 months ago
@An0maly777
Thanks! We suspended voting since the religious Kooks starting spamming the video and voting down comments to get them to disappear. They are self-righteous control freaks, as all religious dogma supplants in the minds of the weak, cowardly, stupid and mentally infirm. Happy Holidays! Be Well!
mccainisthroughX 2 months ago
William Lane Craig is a pseudo intellectual who must defend his imaginary god and intellectually bankrupt Christian dogma at all costs. Lying to gullible people is his lively hood. He has a great deal of money and time invested in his fairytale career. He dances around his theist dogma to spin the discourse to a philosophical, cosmological deist position where he can amaze the doltish with his imagination dressed as knowledge.
scotttebben 2 months ago
@scotttebben
A finely tuned comment, and all truth. Dolt craig refuses to allow Reality to penetrate his thick empty skull. craig is a Moron dressed in a man's clothing, and as such, he's a court jester twirling for an audience of inbred hicks with IQ's in the zero to negative 20 range, and lower. craig's pathetic attempts at sounding bright, all fail badly. It's always funny to watch a fool pretend they're smart, and craig does it effortlessly. Happy Holidays!
mccainisthroughX 2 months ago
Craig gets more attention than he deserves. He fancies himself an intellectual, and to make matters worse, there are people out there who REGARD him as an intellectual.
Hereticbooks 2 months ago
@Hereticbooks
Perfect comment! craig's use of words says it all; craig often tries to over-pronounce simple words, in a failed attempt to sound intellectual. The sad part is, as you said already, that his audience of defectives believes craig is an "intellectual," when nothing could be further from the truth. craig is an embarrassment to Earth. Happy Holidays!
mccainisthroughX 2 months ago
@Hereticbooks Realy ,isn't that his sales pitch trying to come off as being a intellect that way those listening will actually belive his jiberish .. The oldest snake oil sales trick in the book ,allways pretend your smarter than those your scaming by talking over their heads with fancy words and supposed intellect....
kamphwagon1 2 months ago
@Hereticbooks I agree with you, most of Craig's fans just get confused when he talks so they just assume it's something smart, when in reality it's his vocabulary far exceeding his intellect.
crispy380 2 months ago
@crispy380
Extremely well said, Kudos! Happy New Year as well!
mccainisthroughX 1 month ago
creationism is the christian propaganda to turn USA into a christian theocracy!
Reaper081087 2 months ago
@Reaper081087
Yes, so sad, and lame. Happy Holidays to you as well!
mccainisthroughX 2 months ago
@GGDFan777 Realy, is it not proper to call a kook a kook ?...
kamphwagon1 2 months ago
@kamphwagon1
LOL! Idiots, they stumble over their own premises. Happy Holidays!
mccainisthroughX 2 months ago