Posture Under the Side Mount - Finally Escape Side Control

[ElchinMendes]

It's always fun getting a female partner at my judo practice :D

[harrisinternational]

Wow! That's some really cool stuff!

[DeRosaMMA]

I LOVE this video...such a comprehensive overview of bottom side mount. It's really helped me a lot with this position. Thank you!

[icon115]

of course you do. :) you da man. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm sure this will really help me.

[twinkletoesCT]

@icon115 My pleasure! I should really do an updated version one of these days. This clip is 3 years old!

[icon115]

thanks for the response twinkletoes. Does the elbow on the hip also block your partner from north-south? Now that I've been conscious on keeping my elbow from getting too far from my ribcage, my partners seem to switch to north south. thanks again.

[twinkletoesCT]

@icon115 I have another youtube video about that same question. :)

[icon115]

@twinkletoesCT you da man. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm sure this will really help me.

[Agtren]

I guess I wasn't clear, sry. When I talk of hips being low, I mean that they are flat on the ground.

[twinkletoesCT]

@Agtren -- You were clear. It's still the same. :)

[twinkletoesCT]

@icon115 Hi icon. Thanks for the kind words. Opponents switch their hips if the elbow in the hip comes too far away from your ribcage. As you feel the weight change, you must move your elbow below the LOWEST hip, closer to your ribs. This will prevent scarf hold. The window of time begins as they shift their weight, and ends when their thigh/hip comes under your tricep. Good training to you!

[icon115]

@twinkletoesCT

Thanks twinkletoes. that makes sense because I usually push away from their hips. So you're saying that as the weight change I basically try to glue the elbow (blocking the hip) to the ground to prevent a solid scarf hold right?

[twinkletoesCT]

@icon115 Right. :) You can also use your other hand to defend against the arm that tries to encircle your head--palm the elbow, and as it approaches your head, push it overhead and across. This allows you to take the back.

[icon115]

@twinkletoesCT thanks for the response twinkletoes. Does the elbow on the hip also block your partner from north-south? Now that I've been conscious on keeping my elbow from getting too far from my ribcage, my partners seem to switch to north south. thanks again.

[Agtren]

3*) One knee by your hip and the other leg posted out.

[Agtren]

Alright, so here are some things I wanna know more about, but which are not described in this video:

1) What if instead of connecting her hands near your armpit, your partner kept one of her hands at your close or far hip.

2) What if your partner sank her hips very low to the ground (in combination with #1).

3) What if she put a knee by your hip to prevent you from inserting your knee across her belly.

4) I'd like to see the Jailbreak with possible counters.

Looking forward to your reply!

[twinkletoesCT]

@Agtren Here are some answers:

1) There is a 4th posture that I use when they block the near hip. It leads us into a discussion of different, but related, positions and escapes. If the hand blocks the far hip, nothing changes. In this video, her elbow is accomplishing that.

2) Nothing changes.

3) She has done that. The lateral hip movement addresses this.

4) The jailbreak is an escape for people with good flexibility and poor posture/hip movement. I do not use it or teach it.

[Agtren]

@twinkletoesCT

I've got to disagree with a few things you wrote:

1) Her elbow is at your ribs, not at your hips. I'm asking about what to do when your opponent locks down your hips completely. She is not even close to doing that.

2) Hm, really? When the opponent's hips are so low, I find that I can't insert my knee, because they are blocking it.

[twinkletoesCT]

@Agtren 1) Ah, I understand. When he centers his weight over your hips, sit up. Push him down towards your feet and move your hips away.

2) Don't insert the knee in this case, but go directly to your knees and establish a neutral position. I do this towards the end of this video, but don't discuss it in detail (because this one is about posture).

[Agtren]

@twinkletoesCT 3) I'll get back to this one later. One knee is by the hip, and the other leg is posted out, while the hands are connected under the opponent's far shoulder. Many of my training partners find this one disproportionately more difficult to escape.

4) I resort to the Jailbreak when my hips are completely locked down. Do you know how to free you hips when your opponent is controlling them?

[twinkletoesCT]

@Agtren 3) This position IS harder to escape, but that's because (1) they can drive their chest down into your far chest/shoulder, making it hard to turn onto your side, and (2) the pulling motions of the arms are hard to deal with once they are fully established. However, the answers are still what I show in this video: drive the weight off your chest with posture...AND do so EARLY, instead of after they establish the position fully!

4) Bridge! :)

[Agtren]

@twinkletoesCT

Thank you for the helpful answers. Now I'll go try it out in practice.

[Agtren]

If I knew exactly what I'm looking for I would have no reason to be searching... I'll get back to you if I find what I'm looking for.

[Agtren]

It's true that any move can be countered. However, I think you should do everything you can to avoid fully extending your arms.

[Agtren]

At 5:57 you extend your arm. I would just do WakiGatame. Other than that, it's a decent video of basic sidemount defense. Too bad I have to look for details eslewhere.

[twinkletoesCT]

@Agtren Waki Gatame opens with an obvious movement that involves bringing your armpit across towards the arm that is pushing. In order to defend it, all one needs to do is turn the thumb up and the elbow down. As your opponent enters Waki Gatame, they release the pulling motions on your body, so they've done the hard work of escaping for you. Turn the arm and smile at them as they fall. :)

Good luck finding more details than this online.

[Agtren]

@twinkletoesCT

Hmmmm. Well Waki Gatame is supposed to be done with lightning speed. But besides that, can't the person applying waki gatame twist your arm back into the necessary position?

Consider going into more detail in your explanations. To me, and I'm sure to a whole lot of other grapplers online, the smallest details are very interesting.

[twinkletoesCT]

@Agtren Here are some truths about grappling: (1) All techniques can be countered. This is true of the escapes I show, of the waki gatame armlock, and of all other techniques. (2) Every time someone pushes with his arms, he exposes them (to some degree) to armlocks. This is true even when he is in a dominant position!

To say that someone can "just" do this and "just" do that shows a beginner level of awareness, because it does not take into account the context of TIMING.

[Agtren]

@twinkletoesCT The thing is, my timing is pretty decent, fighting opponents your own level or higher - their timing will be decent too. If I see an opportunity, I capitalize. The people who I can't wakigatame are the ones who simply don't give me an opening. I'm never too slow or too late.

I think this conversation was started by me on a rude note because I was disappointed by the lack of detail. I apologize, it's just that I'm desperate to accelerate my growth and I was hunting for details.

[twinkletoesCT]

@Agtren If you can point to something I've not described concretely, in detail, in this video, I'm all ears. I'd love to hear, specifically, how I can improve it. To be honest, I'm only aware of a couple videos on the market that teach much about posture at all. I think I've described what tools push, in what directions, against what surfaces, for what reasons, and I've been very specific. What details have been omitted?

[twinkletoesCT]

@Agtren continued: Yes, when I push on the ear as I go to my knees, the waki gatame is an available counter. In order to do so, my partner must release his grip on the left side of my body and bring his right arm to my right side, over my arm. Depending on how quickly he does this, I will have a long or short window of time to respond. If my own awareness level is low, I might not be able to counter in a short window of time. If my awareness is high, I can change my arm position to defend.

[senseilouie6]

how many times did you watch that video?come on tell the truth : )

[bertinotti]

I have to say, this is an outstanding explanation. Thank you and well done.

[gojuryu3]

Thank you very much. Very well explained. Please post more videos.

[Cloudwacher22]

very helpful

[LionPrideBJJ]

I like the detail of separating the chin from the neck.

[MrPotatoesLatkie]

Very valuable information. I am now able to use these techniques to get out from under several bluebelts in my BJJ class!

[zeerebel]

very detail, nice

[JM27975]

Thankyou. Very informative.

[diabolic42090]

I like to just throw my far leg over their closest leg, hook it, can capture it in half guard. Then utilize the lockdown and begin looking for sweeps/subs.

[twinkletoesCT]

Hooking over the leg is okay, but I prefer to insert the foot as a butterfly hook. This allows me to recover guard, sweep right away, or transition to a number of other guards including half or X guard. It's somewhat more versatile, and it also prevents him from driving his weight forward (which the hook over the leg does not). Good times, though ;)

[diabolic42090]

Good idea, I'll try that one next time.

[JRT140]

I prefer hooking the leg on certain variations simply because I weight 255lbs and am 6'4" so the butterfly hook is simply harder to get sometimes. It's allways good to have options and I have four to five moves I practice consistantly so that I can go to them without thought based on how the guy's bodywieght is centered or other circumstances.

This video is very good with a great summary of essiential details.

[jij78666]

IMHO

It's more efficient, using posture one, to push diagonally up over your head (ie: kiss your biceps). Doing so means you're not matching their downwards force with upwards force. Rather, you are slightly redirecting it using the power of your back.

I've not had much success in using posture one by pressing directly upwards / into their throat against stronger guys. YMMV

[johnob]

thanks, side control escapes were the hardest thing for me when i first started bjj

[sarason3]

very useful. thanks.

[fvaletudo06]

i wouldnt post unless you had something intellegent to say, chicks are very capable of doing all of these moves if not beter. For instance check out the female body, study the anatamy of the human body and you will see the differences between a man and a woman. Now apply these differences to these movements. Keep in mind women are capable of being just as strong, just takes work, and dedication.

[infantileretard]

Not without steroids. Asian men don't count.

[467kamagong]

yeah, the man is a gay! if i were him i let the woman

on top of me until she gets enough of me.

[ckobo84]

Didn't anyone notice he was wrestling a chick? Man that is gay!

[pythonmma]

The last sweep, was sweet!

[ArmBarSeries101]

Man, that was nice.

[vjnctn]

Great video, thanks for posting.

[Acexwanderer]

That was really useful. Thanks

[JackiePaquito]

Thanks!

[532soldier]

Really great, thank you!

[GimpusMaximum]

This was great! A very good explanation for why the moves are performed in the way they are. Too many simply say "ok, now put arms here, move to your left, bridge, and roll" without explaining why. Yours was very good. I very much enjoyed watching it.

[leolaff]

Great explanation! Thanks.