Brain waves have been detected in fetuses as early as 4 weeks! A great many abortions occur after that, so you are killing someone that is alive and conscious!
sorry for saying that stuff below I am just angry becuase I can't see why you cannot connect the empathic dots.why can't you feel for fetuses but can feel for animals?Did something happen to you did you have an abortion and can't deal with it so now its justified?\Come on tell us the truth why do you have such a fixation on killing fetus?
2: My reason for supporting abortion is because I value women more than I value animals. It's a woman's body, she should be allowed to do with it as she pleases. I frankly do not give 1/3 of a fuck about the fetus. It is a part of the woman's body, just like any other body part. If she wants it gone, good for her.
Do not pretend yours is the compassionate side. You want to control people and you can't form a proper argument for this position.
you are devoid of a conscience this is the truth.I will no longer comment on your video it is a waste of my breath.Like talkign to a serial killer in a jail cell asking him why he slaughtered women and he looks at you and says"becuase I felt like it"
no seriously though dude have you ever seen suction cutterage procedure what it does and looks like?Have you ever seen the video where the baby reaches up with its tiny fetal hands and grabs the surgeons needle?If you have not seen the videos of the fetus reacting to the invasion into its womb space in its mother you have not seen it all.They chop the fetus up into peices while it struggles to live.If that doesnt churn your gut then your possibly lacking a limbic brain for feeling empathy.
Chickens offspring don't live in a womb and neither do tadpoles.You called a fetus a " multicelled creature" in your video so at the very least fetus deserve "creature rights" like animal rights protection from cruelty.If a woman grew a plant in her womb like a cactus that would be wierd.Ha I figured you out-I know what your beef is-your gay you hate the church because they reject gays am I correct?Tell me truth.
The joys this beautiful baby has brought me far outweigh the financial "burden".Its only a burden if you see things negatively.One day this so called "financial burden" a beautiful boy will be standing independently at his first job.Society makes pregancy and giving birth sound horrific but its not that big a deal just how you veiw the world if you veiw it negatively you will have a bad experience.Lots of resources for mommys out there.
I forgot to tell you the psychic experience I had with my so called "fetus" while pregnant.I am an athiest so I don't beleive in god and even had considered abortion then the fetus voice spoke to me and said "don't kill me mommy".Now I don't care if I was crazy and just hallucinated it but it sounded exactly the same as his voice does now today at five.Like a ghost it rings through my ears "don't kill me mommy".Moms have psychic connections to their fetuses if they listen carefully.I am empath
EX 21 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take LIFE FOR LIFE, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." Therefore, causing a woman to abort meant execution for the crime of murdering her unborn child.
@ProphecySDarko You stupid cunt. You used a mistranslated version, AND I USED THIS PASSAGE AS AN ARGUMENT FOR MY POSITION IN MY VIDEO. Every proper translation (like the one I used) says "miscarriage" not "give birth prematurely". And you know what? It makes more sense that way. It's about a man being punished for causing a miscarriage and further punished if he seriously injured the woman. OK?
@BENY0HAMA You must really know you've lost when you stoop to such profanity. Youll answer for your words before God for you mock a prophet.I forgive you,but I pray as a consequence that instead of going to hell for atheism you get knocked in the nuts within six months as a warning.You'll wish you had a c* when it happens.The Book of Enoch says fallen angels taught abortion.Oh & it's well known abortion did exist & consisted of ingesting certain plants/potions. Thou shalt not kill !!!
@ProphecySDarko 2+2=4 motherfucker. HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT! My bad word there made 2+2=12! Wow! The power of swear words is such that if I say something that's right and use a swear in it, it makes the statement wrong. WOW! You're such an idiot.
Yeah, abortion existed before. No one ever thought of fetuses as people back then.
@BENY0HAMA God give me strength to keep praying for you.No one ever thought of fetuses as people back then? Wrong. Fact-even the brutal Romans wouldn't put a pregnant woman in the arena to be killed, as they held the baby innocent & blood of the womb sacred.None of your self-professed facts are straight.Your cursing shows your ignorance, your video's rambling shows your pride.The only thing right about it is it shows Zkeuker's face & not yours. You can talk til you're blue. Abortion is wrong
I suppose it depends on desireability of sustaining life forms some people they feel that fetus is like a cancer and wish to kill it like a disease.I guess its about what people place value on.Some would place mouse in trap and leave it there to suffer others may be willing to rescue the tiny suffering body knowing it can feel pain.I don't find fetus to be comparable to say cancer you wish to kill the living cells it has cancer will kill you but fetus wont but we are treating fetus like a cancer
I was still not typing well in response below sorry I am not good at debate just trying to say that eggs fertilized are life have life prospects and should be valued at the very least as animals dependant on strict environments for survival like fish in the ocean when removed will die.Fetus has gills like fish and requires the base forms of salt water like world of womb to ontologically reflect phylenology we come from water evolution we deserve at least fish level grants respect we are animals
I am athiest.fetuses should be protected against cruelty the same way you would protect animals from cruelty.you said cruelty to dog in the video and I dont understand why you concern yourself wiht animals cruelty but you cnat even consider a fetus as at least an animal ever seen a fetus come out of a womans body?guess what a fetus is when it comes out early?a premie baby...babies I have seen a so called fetus fall in miscarriage on my leg at 3 months and it was not little it was 3 inches long.
@yeomanviking I'm sure you made a point somewhere in that post but it was so poorly typed that I can't tell what you were trying to say. Are you saying 3 inch long things that can't survive outside the womb are animals, or people, or what?
@BENY0HAMA sorry dude I suck at typing what I am trying to say is that babies(premies) who have been known to survive outside the womb at very early stages of pregnancy.I had what looked like a 3 inch long fetus fall out of my body if you want I can private email wiht details because its too grose to say on youtube.They are not little tiny cells they are really quite big.It was very disturbing eye opener and we do call fish animals that exist in an aquarium that cannot survive outside aquarium.
@yeomanviking ...seriously? Yeah, fish can't live outside water. We can't live IN water. But we are born, as are all animals that are alive. No baby ("preemie" is an offensive term to premature children, FYI) has been shown to be able to survive before 28 weeks (7 months) and even then it's incredibly rare.
Should you (or anyone) be forced to endure 9 months of discomfort followed by the most painful experience possible and several years of financial burden?
@BENY0HAMA I carried my baby for 9 months years later after miscarriage and as much pain as it was at the end most of it wasn't that big a deal and the womans body changes very gradually to accomodate for the baby hun it wasn't as horrible as some people describe honestly it was actually just really difficult to wipe bottom no joke LOL!!Noone should ever force anything on anyone but pregnancy is not forced it a choice we make as women when we choose to spread our legs.If raped different story.
Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even if it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babie's RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
WAIT!!! Why does God stop Abraham at the last moment? And God didn't command Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter to him. Jephthah had free will. Which God gave to all of us. God doesn't stop free will. We have to choose what is right and wrong. The only time God commanded a sacrifice was to Abraham and again, he stopped Abraham at the last moment. Why?
@BENY0HAMA That is your argument? That is the weakest argument I've ever heard. Plus you avoided the question of, why did God stop Abraham? That is the most simple question. By the way, your wrong, it is a biblical concept, if you actually read it you would see it is covered in free will. Just cause God gave commandments doesn't mean there isn't free will, because we still have the free will not to follow, which is what you are doing.
@musicman45ist Jeremiah 10:20. Acts 13:48. Romans 8:29-30, 9:11-22. Ephesians 1:4-5. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12. 2 Timothy 1:9. Jude verse 4. All say there is no free will, god predetermined what everyone chooses. Your move, kiddo.
Your question itself avoids MY point. Abraham knew god intimately, and if he wasn't cool with human sacrifice then Abraham would have known god was putting him on.
@BENY0HAMA Don't talk to me with that shit you ass, fuckin call me kiddo. If you had any common sense, it would tell you that yes God has a plan for you, but the point is he wants you to choose it. So he gives you the choice (free will) of taking what he has planned for you or not. I have a dog and he knows I am not a mean person but if I told him to bite someone he would. I don't know my dog "intimately". By the way, you sure do talk about God like you believe in him.
@musicman45ist but some of those verses say (in no uncertain terms) that god chose who would make that choice before they were born. I mean, you'd know that if you looked into them at all rather than just telling me what you thought those verses said.
I'm speaking hypothetically. If I ask who would win in a fight between Iron-Man and Robocop, am I saying both those fictional characters exist?
@BENY0HAMA There is a difference in knowing what somebody will do, and making them do it. He still allowed them the choice not to do something, or to do something.
But you are trying to disprove God by using the material that proves to us that he exists. Get your own proof. If he doesn't exist then those words have no meaning to you, and you use them to argue your point as if they hold so much weight to you. Like you honestly believe what you are saying cause the bible says so. "Hypocrite"
@musicman45ist I don't think you understand. According to your book, your god determines what will happen. He knows what you'll do because he decided it! Have you read those verses yet?
I'm not trying to disprove your god here. I can, and have proven your god is fake.
@BENY0HAMA And to answer your question, yes I have read those verses. When you pick one small section like that to prove your whole theory, shows how small your mind really is. Putting passages by themselves like that doesn't show it in context of the whole picture. That would be like watching the end of Return of the Jedi and think "Hey! Darth Vadar was the good guy in the movie" That is the most narrow minded and credulous view point "kiddo" *said sarcastically*
@BENY0HAMA I didn't misrepresent, what I was saying is, you are misunderstanding. What I am getting from this is that you are too narrow minded to understand something that has substance, such as the Bible. The point of this whole thing is you believe abortion is "ok" and unfortunately you are right, you have the FREEDOM to do what you want, just remember freedom can come with consequences. And that is what you don't like about God, so you try to disprove his existance. Good luck.
@BENY0HAMA 1: He has predetermined a plan, those passages prove his plan, it is up to you to make the choice yourself. Does he know what you will do, yes, does he sway you either way, no. 2: Yes you are. Narrow minded is is convincing yourse;f that there is no right or wrong, to feel no guilt in what you do wrong, so there is only right.
3: You haven't disproved God to me, You just boast that you have. I haven't heard shit from you.
@BENY0HAMA 4: Critical thinking is also called over thinking. Which is neither of what you are doing. You are trying to justifiy your actions without punishment. Yes it is that simple. And again I have not heard this simple question that disproves that, which has more evidence of being than not being. No matter how much you twist and change and take away from it.
@BENY0HAMA Why are you getting so testy? It's not easy when somebody doesn't believe you is it. What about somebody that doesn't believe in you? He still believes in you, whether or not you think he is fake.
@BENY0HAMA You can prove no such thing, and your opinion of yourself is way too high. Your self-professed knowledge can't save your soul, only Jesus can, and when you stand before judgment and see Him seated on His white throne in all His Glory and Might, and you see Lucifer with his 'file' on you ready to present the case for your damnation, and you see the angel holding the scales, you would pee on yourself if you had a bladder. Remember my words....but remember also I pray for you.
@BENY0HAMA You twist everything up, I suppose when you read these they were not in context. My guess is you are unaware of the language of the time, which leads to misunderstanding. But also for somebody to have such a smug asshole personality as yours "kiddo" it's easy to twist words to make yourself look right, which is ultimately your goal. You want to look right and that you have total control over your life and decisions. You will see that God gave you free.
Sin is wrongdoing.The following PROVES ABORTION'S WRONG SCRIPTURALLY. Book of Enoch:1Khanokh69 "The fifth (fallen angel) was Kasdeya.This is he who showed the yeladim-a'am all the EVIL STRIKINGS OF UNCLEAN ruahim & DEMONIC entities.HE SHOWED THEM THE DASHING OF THE EMBRYO IN THE WOMB SO THAT IT WOULD DIE."This Dead Sea Scroll book also says fallen angels taught metalworking/cosmetics/CURSING/star signs etc.1Khan8 "From this arose great immorality, they were led astray." BIBLICAL PROOF ITS WRONG!
@BENY0HAMA You can only come up w a condescending remark as a rebuttal? I see you couldn't counter my post because your invalid point is now disproved. Book of Enoch has been translated by biblical scholars.I'm sure you know Enoch is mentioned in Hebrews, Genesis, Luke, Jude, Chronicles, Ex. and Numbers. A holy man, he didn't die but was taken up by God Himself. As I stated, Enoch prophesied that the dashing of the embryo was taught by the fallen angels (those of the devil). You lose.
@BENY0HAMA Not the entire book of Enoch but the Bible says much about him. Shouldn't you know the book of Enoch comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls which were found much later? Hebrews11:5 says Enoch was a holy man who pleased God. The entire Book of Enoch can be found online. There are many early writings within the church condemning abortion as well, just google it.
@ProphecySDarko No, it doesn't. The book of Enoch was amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls, yes, but we had it long before we found those scrolls. It's been read by Jews and Orthodox Christians for millenia. There are exactly no early writings condemning abortion. One condemning what we could call forced abortion, but nothing else because the procedure didn't exist then.
The bible doesn't de-legitimize Zeuker's stance, it supports it easily. Hello? Thou shalt not kill? It's written in black and white. Look & listen to a sonogram. Your efforts to twist other scriptures just proves how desperate you are to try and prove your point. The Ten Commandments were written in stone by God's finger and they stand forever, for Jesus said He did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. He also said to follow Him. It is so obviously clear. I pray God will save you.
@ProphecySDarko You're still here? Sheeeeit. OK, to counter your point about "thou shalt not kill": THE ENTIRE REST OF THE BIBLE. Tons and tons of murder there, ordered by your god. Also, most of those "10 commandments" call for execution, i.e. "killing". Read your book.
@BENY0HAMA Yes,still here & still praying for you! Wrongo, the entire rest of the bible isn't about murdering.Old Testament speaks of God's people slaying the wicked who inhabited the promised land,yes.Gods ways can't be understood.I don't know what version of the 10 Comm you're reading that says to murder. Read Isaiah 49.5 And now the LORD says--HE WHO FORMED ME IN THE WOMB,etc.Ever read Gods scriptures about His love for us? I dare you to pray to God to make Himself known to you.
@ProphecySDarko Are you capable of reading? The penalty for not obeying most of your 10 commandments is death. |I think it's the first 7 are punishable by execution, i.e. murder.
Read the rest of Isaiah 49 for context. He's talking about himself. God didn't form YOU in the womb to be a great prophet, silly.
I'll pray to your god to get him to prove he's real IF you pray to Thor for the same reason. Deal?
@BENY0HAMA The wages of sin is death, yes, that's where Jesus' saving blood comes in.When He says He formed Isaiah in the womb it goes w/o saying He formed ALL OF US in the womb.To be a prophet is to speak the truth of Gods word. I do, however dream things before they happen.You're scared to pray to God to prove He's real to you 'cause your pride would be greatly wounded.The bible doesn't have the word abortion 'cause that word didn't exist at the time.Your argument is gasping for air
You didn't read that chapter of Isaiah, did you? Go back, read it. It's pretty fucking clear that it isn't about everyone.
I'm not scared to do anything, but praying to a god means I already think it's real. I'd either be reaffirming my pre-existing faith (of which I have none) or I'd be wasting my time trying to ask something I don't believe in to prove it exists. It's a ridiculous endeavour. Why don't you see this?
After watching this video and reading many of the comments on this wall, I can honestly say that your argument isn't respected and is nitpicked too much by religious people who aim to insult your rationale instead of refute it. Kudos to you for delivering legitimate and logically sound argument and putting up with ignorance. Oh and yes, religion is a blight on humanity.
With the comment regarding 'made in god's image' when you say "explain different races & genders" that is just splitting hairs. To be made in the image of god is surely to do with human form is it not? Fair enough, argue your point with passion, but for a persuasive argument there is no need to attack every little comment on the video you are responding to.
Not everyone who has a moral or an ethical position against abortion is a radical activist.
I am sorry that people like amethystgemstone have to come here and see that someone would have not had a problem with their death. Wish Utube would pull this offensive, Antichrist stuff from people who don't have a problem with other people dying, innocent ones that can't help themselves. This country has a blood debt and God is just. Like other believers, I can only keep praying for His mercy
@ProphecySDarko Hey, aren't you the idiot who said that I removed the comments from amethystgemstone1 even though the comments are clearly there? And you are clearly advocating censorship? I think people like you are more offensive than even I am.
@BENY0HAMA Yeah, I'm the idiot who doesn't believe in murder.So you admit your offensive.Hmm, maybe we're finally getting somewhere. Abortion is the American Holocaust, no if's ands or buts, and you're promoting it. Pretty offensive all right. Clinics are closing down right & left because people see it is for profit, not for women. Google Dr. Kermit Gosnell and take a look at one of the guys (abortionists) you are in alignment with, preferably while eating lunch.
You don't need to be religious to be opposed to abortion! If an unborn child is alive while it is living in the womb then of course abortion is murder as it is killing a living human. The person who made this video seems to think that anti-abortion people are all religiously motivated rather motivated by reasoning and simple respect for all human life. Most people base what is right and wrong on common sense rather than religious writings. The same goes for abortion.
@mreloo Lmfao, I watched it and I still have no issue with abortion. Sorry, you can't compare the killing of already born Jews with the aborting of fetuses. That arguement is redundant and will never make me change my mind. I dont believe that abortion is much different than killing a spider on your wall. They are just nuicances.Andthis is notmuch different than a baby. But there are small differences. Especially the legality. It's simply the point of where to draw the line.
@InAllOurDreams "It's simply the point of where to draw the line" (very good point) and nuisances... hitler thought the Jews were, along with the disabled..old.. more good points.. "It's SIMPLY the point of where to draw the line." Aren't you glad your Mom did not kill the "spider" (is that what you feel you were ?)
@mreloo Actually it wouldnt matter if my mom aborted me. I wasnt even aware of myself. I wouldnt even know it XD If my mom wouldnt felt it better to abort me, I would want her to do what is best for her. I think the main thing here is that we have different morals. You find value in a fetus, while I do not. We are probably best to leave it at that, since neither of our opinions on the subject are going to change. It's just pointless and futile to argue.
it's not wrong or right....it's none of your FUCKING BUINESS...what a woman wants to do with HER body is NONE OF YOUR BUISNEESS...and it's not murder....fuck that god shit! too this goes for everyone saying its wrong and it murder
What a bunch of GARBAGE, why dont you just suck obastards teet and join planned parenthood euthanasia program you satanic peice of murder loving shit! good day
@rietveen26 . indoctrinated ? really? so everyone who is a born again Christian was indoctrinated as a child?that's a..well you know what that is. So believing in abortion is ( good) reasoning ? please enlighten me. And please don't use the Mother will die if she gives birth one...(I believe that speaks for itself) most abortions are not done with that in mind
@mreloo yes, every christian has been indoctrinated except for some lunatics :). I don't know what you mean by born again, are you a believer in reincarnation? I am not neccesarily pro-abortion, I am pro-choice. and yes, of course abortion is well reasoned, otherwise every medical expert in the world would speak out against it. now it's just the religious zealots, unfortunately mostly from the US. by the way, you sound quite hostile....it's not a very pleasant tone :)
@mreloo rietveen26 = another know it all who can't see the forest through the trees - Ex ."you sound quite hostile" ?? "every christian has been indoctrinated except for some lunatics" "it's just the religious zealots"
Abortion is still killing a life no matter what kind of spin you put on it ( wearing a white coat does not give you an "automatic" true moral compass) What if your Mom decided to have one?
@mreloo If you cherry pick your Bible, you get a loving god. If you actually read it, you get a narcissistic prick. I'm sorry you ignore the many, many stories of genocide, rape, slavery, and more (all of which the Bible endorses, by the way.)
@ImFlareonBitch so yer an bible expert? Anyone who diligently studies the Bible will continually find remarkable structural and mathematical patterns woven throughout its fabric, with an intricacy and symmetry incapable of explanation by chance or collusion. The individual writers, at the time of writing, had no idea that their message was eventually to be incorporated into such a Book, but each nevertheless fits perfectly into place and serves its own unique purpose as a component of the whole.
@ImFlareonBitch King James- Many people tend 2 go along with the popular delusion, the Bible is full of mistakes and no longer relevant 2 our modern world. Nevertheless the Bible writers claimed repeatedly, they were transmitting the very Word of God, infallible and authoritative in the highest degree. Hundreds of Bible prophecies having been fulfilled is significant. Also, no real mistake has ever been demonstrated in the Bible in science, in history, or any other subject. Though many r claimed
@ImFlareonBitch evioution is a theory based on "There is no God" sooo this is how "WE" got here (on earth) it's made up ! full of lies...half truths...assumptions and missing links.....and why so many people believe the lies? cus they like the no God theory....pride....Eviloution is made to fit "the no God theory" and it is very sad to see scientist believe things they would never believe in the REAL world, like, given enough time a 747could create itself from a pile of metal and plastic amen
@mreloo Except you ignore the fact that nearly half of all Christians believe in evolution too.
You know why? Because there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that evolution is FACT. Anybody who denies evolution is either an ignorant shit or is holding onto the hope that their god actually did create them in the likeness of him and they aren't only apes. You're the one holding onto something idiotic, not us.
@ImFlareonBitch 1/2 of all Christians r wrong if they believe in eviloution. Its a made up lie to fit "the no God theory" Take a look at one function of the human body and really study it... and all this created itself ? one system is so complex and all the systems fit together perfectly. it is a design, a design demands a designer. " you are fearfully and wonderfully made" (Psalm 139:14) If everybody told u to jump of a cliff cus everybody's doing it, does it make it right?
@ImFlareonBitch your brain assumes what is there and fills it in.?? your brain assumes..mmm sounds like your helping to make my point. The brain is way more powerful than a "designed" computer. You see if you want to know if there is a true God and by that I mean the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob the God of the Jews the God of the bible who sent his son Jesus Christ..you can..know for a fact..ask him.. pride keeps us from going there..but God can help that also...if u can ask with humility.
@mreloo And you're right - that half of Christians is wrong. The part they are wrong about isn't evolution, though - it's the part about them being Christian.
but what if the embro has a soul? Wouldn' t that make you equal? How do you know souls do not exist? And why are you superior? The embryo still has a brain, a heart a soul, and a chance of living. What exacly is the difference between you guys? You are still ending an existance.
@sara A soul doesn't constitute sentience. Besides, the soul would most likely be better off not being born here. She is superior because she is sentient. In other words: The basics are she can think, she has feelings, she can suffering physically, emotionally and mentally, she is conscious. The more complex, human-only things are she has a future, aspirations, dreams, people to live for (assumingly. Like a boyfriend or husband). An physical existence is meaningless without a mental existence.
How do you know that soul does not feel, think or hope for a fututre? How do you know that baby wouldn' t prfer to be born? Can you read his mind? Are you an expert of souls. Did you create the universe so that you know if souls exist or not?
@saramichealhpt Because I never hoped for the future in the womb. No-one. Not you, not me, not Maria or BENY0HAMA existed in the womb. "Can you read his mind?" There is no mind to read! Did you read my comment or not? I don't have to create a universe to know a soul doesn't equal a need for equality, whether it exists or not. And my belief in the existence of souls is irrelevant to the argument.
A fetus has chances to live, have hopes, dreams, realize amazing things in his/her life. A fetus might as well have a soul. A soul is a spiritual part of a creauture (including humans in the category). Souls are the part that surviveafter death, the parts that can feel. How do you know that a fetus does not have any soul? How do you know that souls do not exist? You have no way to prove that souls do not exist.
@saramichealhpt I never said souls didn't. But what makes you think a soul inhabits the body at conception? Maybe the fuse with it as a progress similar to the fetus' growth? How do you know a fetus has hopes, dreams and the like? Have you talked to one? Are you some kind of fetal soul expert? Souls survive after death, but what if fetuses die without gaining a soul?
No, I said that souls have chance of living, hoping, and doing amazing things. Second, how do you know that a fetus at conception does not geta soul? How do you know that for sure? Everything in this universe has energy, that can not be destroyed. Meaning that fetus, considering the fact he/she is a living cretaure, must have a soul.By killing a fetus aren' t you providing pain to the soul because he/she does not get a chance to live, and have any experiences?
@saramichealhpt How do you know it provides pain to the soul? How do you know the soul can even feel pain? If the fetus can't feel pain physically, it can't get to the soul even with your leap of logic. The energy in the fetus makes up it's physical body, not any spirit. Not having experiences and not living before you're born is not like pain at all.
How do you know it does not? I am saying it because there are high chances it does, and before doing anything so drastic we should at leats be 100% sure.Yeah, you are still taking th chance of a fetus to live, and it' s equallt horrible and cruel.
@saramichealhpt There is no chance it does. Do you remember anything you claim fetuses have while you were in the womb? Abortions are horrible to look at, but for the fetus, in and of itself, it is not cruel. It can't think, feel emotions or pain. It's not sentient/conscious and there are many people who wish they were aborted and/or commit suicide. What if the fetus you choose NOT to abort ends up killing him/herself?
How do you knoe there are no chances? Did you create the unierse, i suppode that you know how everything works lol. what does it mean, the fetus would kill himself, or herself. Chances are low, and that is a fact, most of the babies who survived abortion, or were not aborted did not commit suicide.
@TheGothicMaria Dude, life begins at the moment of conception; so, you're telling me that at 24 weeks, the baby makes a sudden HOP to becoming a baby? Ridiculous!
@LeftHandCookie Life doesn't begin at conception otherwise, parasitic twins, fetus tumors, mass of clumps, and stone babies wouldn't exist. Do tumors have souls? Because that's what happened to my friend's aunt's fetus and had to be removed by surgery. I don't think your god would waste a soul.
Just because it' s a right of yours it does not mean it' s fair. You are still ending an existance because you don' t want to feel child birth pain...
Oh. And by the way. (I'm sure that many people have already pointed out this error) Babies have been born in the 2nd trimester and have lived. I've held a baby in my womb just this year. It was a wonderful experience. I felt the baby move long before he was ever born. I felt his very life inside of me. Abortion never crossed my mind. Looking into my son's eyes and realizing that I had a "legal" right to kill him is kind of frightening.
Calling a veterinary clinic and asking to have an abortion done on your dog would be appalling to most people. In fact, animal doctors will not abort unborn animals. Funny huh? The fact that animals are viewed as having equal and sometimes greater value than humans is kind of scary. Let's kill unborn children due to inconvenience but make sure that Fluffy is comfortable.
@MrJacobStewart I would never have existed. I mean, I was dead for some 14 billion years before my birth, and if my birth never happened, I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way now as I did then.
@MrJacobStewart Typical "what if your mom aborted you" question from a pro-birther. If my mum aborted me, I wouldn't care because my body wouldn't have been conscious at all.
Yeah yeah. So what? A guy is talking who has no idea what life inside of him is like? No idea the bond that forms? And No one, except those who survived abortion, even remotely understand the pain they go through! Brain waves travel before most abortions!! I have been in the hospital, helping people do these things! Even at ten years old, I have seen the silent scream. I was one of the few who survived abortion.
I admire your strenght, and hope that you are living a good life :). I never went through abortion, but I went through some messed up stuff, & I can feel what it means to have people trying to judge you when they have no idea of what it feels like.
@amethystgemstone1 You do realize that I was criticizing another man, right? Does he also have no idea what he's talking about, or, since he agrees with you, is he alright?
But don' t you think it' s like meeting someone at the side of the rode, who desperately needs blood, but it' s ok to refuse to give blood to him, because you don' t want to feel the pain of a needle? I think it' s really selfish, and shows how uncaring and cold people can be. I think it' s more asking for the ''right'' to allow someone to die - By the way, I am Christian, but I do not believe in everything in the bible, therefore I am not stating my theories on the bible.
So you are telling me that you would allow someone to stop someone from having the chance to live an existance because you don' t want to feel the pain of giving birth? Don' t get me wrong, I believe in women' s rights, for my whole life, I was abused, and had to live in chains, because I never had a voice. So I know what it must feel for women to not have a voice at all. I had people telling me to be a nurse, when I want to be an architect, 'cause that' s the right ''role''.
Not surprising to see many coming to Benyhama's video who don't believe in God. They want their disbelief verified by others' opinions.Truth is, you do have a soul, there is a God, & He said not to kill.He gave us rules to live by so that we may live the best life.Sin leads to unhappiness & the perishing of soul after death.Choose God's way & choose eternal bliss.All you do is ask Jesus into your heart.He loves you. Satan is the overlord of this world, & he seeks only to destroy everyone he can.
Dear person who made this video, you asked that people challenge the points you made. Please read all the scriptures instead of perverting and twisting them for your ill-purposes.
Because the Bible does not specifically say that Abimilec sacrificed his daughter most theologians believe that he gave her up to the Temple to live a life for God. Thus meaning that she would forever be a Virgin and Abimilec's line of descendants would end. She was his only child. Abimilec did not seek God"s acceptance of his terms when he promised to sacrifice the first thing that walked out of his tent. He was stupid and impulsive.
Moriah in Hebrew means "God will provide." Mt Moriah was where Abraham was to sacrifice his son. But God provided an alternative sacrifice. This all points to Christ. We are all at the mercy of God's wrath but he provided his son, the only true human sacrifice, to take on the wrath of God in our place. The stories in the Old Testament are symbolic of God's provision of salvation. No where does it say that God accepted Abimilec's sacrifice. Read the passages if you don't believe me.
@spindiamond So you're against me "twisting" your bible to my purposes by saying that it means exactly what it said (that is, that Abimilec's daughter was sacrificed by him) and yet you're OK with twisting it yourself to say that he "sacrificed" her by sending her to a convent? Hypocrisy, thy name is spindiamond.
@BENY0HAMA First off...The Bible never specifically states what Abimilec did. And the scriptures say nowhere that God accepted Abimilec's terms and sacrifice. Are you using the Bible as a reference or not? If you are then you apparently aren't reading what you're siting, which is the point being made.
''You sound like a real arrogant holy-roller when you tell women to use birth control.'' - You wrote it.
Yeah, I think a human life is precious, so are my beliefs, problems? I think it' s our bussiness when you are stopping someone from having a chance of living. Yeah, I never said that we as women should not be free to have rights. I believe in equal rights, and equal freedom of choice and voting. But it' s not a right to stop an existance, it' s an excuse.
You can't pick and choose what scriptures will work best for you.
In Genesis 15 God had several animals torn in two and he physical passed between the animals. In the Bible this was a covenant meaning that if God did not keep his word then he would tear himself in two and cease to exist. God swore that through Abraham would be many nations. If he were to destroy Abraham's son of promise then he would be breaking his covenant. He was testing Abraham's faithfulness.
@spindiamond Assuming that is true, then either Abraham is an idiot, or Abraham who knows god's character better than any human saw that god was able to lie.
Sorry about it, seriously, I' m not being sarcastic. But it was pretty obvious that I was referring to the women who did not take precautions . Second, how on earth can you state that souls do not exist? I respect your choice to be an atheist. But it shows ignorance when you label people who believe in souls as ''morons.'' Sorry, but there are brilliant scientists, who use logic in their everyday lives that are also religious.
By pain I also meant spiritual pain, and please don' t tell me fetus do not have any soul, because just because you can not prove it does not necessarily mean souls do not exist. Second, if you are going to have sex, than you might as well have enough pity and intelligence to use protection. Condoms and birth pills exist for a reason. How would you feel if a couple of uncaring people decided to give you, and then end your life because they wanted a ''full'' sexual experience?
I think it' s just unfair. How can someone be so irresponsible to give life to a child, why did you conceive the baby if you were not ready to take care of the child? Now, even if the baby is not born yet, the baby can fully feel pain, and can acknowledge basic feelings like fear, and surprise. And, yes, judging from my experiences, babies HAVE soul. So, yes killing the baby is a murder. They are as important as normal people.
The lowest of the low kill those who can't fight back. Those are the true cowards. The ones who look at all those little body parts and casually throw them in the trash. Take your smile to the Judgment throne and see where it gets you. It's soooo hard to pray for you, but I'm doing my best. (laugh)
@zoidberg96913 says: Save the polar bears but kill the baby's"
~~~~~~~~~~ Are you comparing living, breathing polar bears that are essential to the circle of life, to an unborn entity . You see we dont care about polar bear embryos, now do we? Get it??
@TheGothicMaria And so would your child if it was born. Pro-lifers never think about how the babies would feel AFTER they're born. Most of the time before birth, they're developing bodies, lumps of flesh growing. Not sentient, conscious creatures who can feel pain. They don't feel emotional pain as they don't have emotions. They don't have a psyche to be traumatized, until the 6th month, they have no compacity for physical pain. They're not morally important.
Actually God just told Abraham to make a sacrifice and he was from that babylonian civilization where they offered their children to Moloch. He had already a ram prepared for him to sacrifice. stop your blasphemy! Murder is the act of killing without self defense. NO ONE has the right to kill. CLOSE YOUR LEGS MEN and WOMEN if you're not ready for kids period. thats why sex outside of marriage is frowned on. Now just because you've been taught by satan ie science doesnt make you remotely correct
@chaderdley Marriage-only sex is UNNATURAL! It's wrong to stop ourselves just because of these insane "morals". They go against every instinct in our body and make people MISERABLE. God would NOT want us to be miserable out of such inane superstitions. We have abortion (Which is NOT wrong. Read Psalms 137), the Pill, condoms and variations of them. We do not have to control ourselves this way anymore. All we need to do is lower our massive population.
@vgman94 oh wow...look you cannot use superstition and GOD in the same sentence and remain credible. The fact is read your bible. we are supposed to marry those we become before we become involved because they didnt have abortion or birth control and they didnt want little fucking thuglets running around like today. Its the dumb assumption you make is why our society is on the brink of destruction. Its so funny how the founding fathers based our laws on the 10 comdmnts & GOD yet we hv tkn hm out
Respond to this video... if there is life and YOU KILL IT THAT IS MURDER. Once human conception happens the embyo becomes a parasite thus it is ALIVE!!!!
@chaderdley says: if there is life and YOU KILL IT THAT IS MURDER.
~~~~~~~~~ So if a man rides his bike in front of my moving car and he dies...its murder?? Do you ever use your damned head?? Abortion is NOT murder. Stop LYING.
@Sueezee1 no moron when you purposely kill that is murder, an accident is what it is. Stop sucking satan's teet. Just because you are lost doesnt mean you have to drag everyone down with you. If abortion was acceptable then GOD would have given us the opportunity to opt out of getting women pregnant. But he didnt. SEX is for procreation. just because you cant keep a girl happy without sexing her doesnt mean thats the way it should be. And sorry dude but abortion IS MURDER. You are the liar.
@chaderdley says: no moron when you purposely kill that is murder,
~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong again sweetcheeks.... if I kill the man thats raping my daughter , its NOT murder. Admit it, your l\ying to make a point or youre so uneducated that you dont know the legal defintion of murder...either way, you lose.
Brain waves have been detected in fetuses as early as 4 weeks! A great many abortions occur after that, so you are killing someone that is alive and conscious!
amethystgemstone1 2 weeks ago
sorry for saying that stuff below I am just angry becuase I can't see why you cannot connect the empathic dots.why can't you feel for fetuses but can feel for animals?Did something happen to you did you have an abortion and can't deal with it so now its justified?\Come on tell us the truth why do you have such a fixation on killing fetus?
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
@yeomanviking 1: I'm not a woman
2: My reason for supporting abortion is because I value women more than I value animals. It's a woman's body, she should be allowed to do with it as she pleases. I frankly do not give 1/3 of a fuck about the fetus. It is a part of the woman's body, just like any other body part. If she wants it gone, good for her.
Do not pretend yours is the compassionate side. You want to control people and you can't form a proper argument for this position.
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
you are devoid of a conscience this is the truth.I will no longer comment on your video it is a waste of my breath.Like talkign to a serial killer in a jail cell asking him why he slaughtered women and he looks at you and says"becuase I felt like it"
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
Why argue with a psychopath you will never see the truth you have not the capacity to feel for a fetus.Its like telling the blind to see.
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
no seriously though dude have you ever seen suction cutterage procedure what it does and looks like?Have you ever seen the video where the baby reaches up with its tiny fetal hands and grabs the surgeons needle?If you have not seen the videos of the fetus reacting to the invasion into its womb space in its mother you have not seen it all.They chop the fetus up into peices while it struggles to live.If that doesnt churn your gut then your possibly lacking a limbic brain for feeling empathy.
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
@yeomanviking You really, really can't argue.
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
Chickens offspring don't live in a womb and neither do tadpoles.You called a fetus a " multicelled creature" in your video so at the very least fetus deserve "creature rights" like animal rights protection from cruelty.If a woman grew a plant in her womb like a cactus that would be wierd.Ha I figured you out-I know what your beef is-your gay you hate the church because they reject gays am I correct?Tell me truth.
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
The joys this beautiful baby has brought me far outweigh the financial "burden".Its only a burden if you see things negatively.One day this so called "financial burden" a beautiful boy will be standing independently at his first job.Society makes pregancy and giving birth sound horrific but its not that big a deal just how you veiw the world if you veiw it negatively you will have a bad experience.Lots of resources for mommys out there.
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
I forgot to tell you the psychic experience I had with my so called "fetus" while pregnant.I am an athiest so I don't beleive in god and even had considered abortion then the fetus voice spoke to me and said "don't kill me mommy".Now I don't care if I was crazy and just hallucinated it but it sounded exactly the same as his voice does now today at five.Like a ghost it rings through my ears "don't kill me mommy".Moms have psychic connections to their fetuses if they listen carefully.I am empath
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
EX 21 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take LIFE FOR LIFE, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." Therefore, causing a woman to abort meant execution for the crime of murdering her unborn child.
ProphecySDarko 2 weeks ago
@ProphecySDarko You stupid cunt. You used a mistranslated version, AND I USED THIS PASSAGE AS AN ARGUMENT FOR MY POSITION IN MY VIDEO. Every proper translation (like the one I used) says "miscarriage" not "give birth prematurely". And you know what? It makes more sense that way. It's about a man being punished for causing a miscarriage and further punished if he seriously injured the woman. OK?
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
@BENY0HAMA You must really know you've lost when you stoop to such profanity. Youll answer for your words before God for you mock a prophet.I forgive you,but I pray as a consequence that instead of going to hell for atheism you get knocked in the nuts within six months as a warning.You'll wish you had a c* when it happens.The Book of Enoch says fallen angels taught abortion.Oh & it's well known abortion did exist & consisted of ingesting certain plants/potions. Thou shalt not kill !!!
ProphecySDarko 5 days ago
@ProphecySDarko 2+2=4 motherfucker. HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT! My bad word there made 2+2=12! Wow! The power of swear words is such that if I say something that's right and use a swear in it, it makes the statement wrong. WOW! You're such an idiot.
Yeah, abortion existed before. No one ever thought of fetuses as people back then.
BENY0HAMA 5 days ago
@BENY0HAMA God give me strength to keep praying for you.No one ever thought of fetuses as people back then? Wrong. Fact-even the brutal Romans wouldn't put a pregnant woman in the arena to be killed, as they held the baby innocent & blood of the womb sacred.None of your self-professed facts are straight.Your cursing shows your ignorance, your video's rambling shows your pride.The only thing right about it is it shows Zkeuker's face & not yours. You can talk til you're blue. Abortion is wrong
ProphecySDarko 2 days ago
I suppose it depends on desireability of sustaining life forms some people they feel that fetus is like a cancer and wish to kill it like a disease.I guess its about what people place value on.Some would place mouse in trap and leave it there to suffer others may be willing to rescue the tiny suffering body knowing it can feel pain.I don't find fetus to be comparable to say cancer you wish to kill the living cells it has cancer will kill you but fetus wont but we are treating fetus like a cancer
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
I was still not typing well in response below sorry I am not good at debate just trying to say that eggs fertilized are life have life prospects and should be valued at the very least as animals dependant on strict environments for survival like fish in the ocean when removed will die.Fetus has gills like fish and requires the base forms of salt water like world of womb to ontologically reflect phylenology we come from water evolution we deserve at least fish level grants respect we are animals
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
I am athiest.fetuses should be protected against cruelty the same way you would protect animals from cruelty.you said cruelty to dog in the video and I dont understand why you concern yourself wiht animals cruelty but you cnat even consider a fetus as at least an animal ever seen a fetus come out of a womans body?guess what a fetus is when it comes out early?a premie baby...babies I have seen a so called fetus fall in miscarriage on my leg at 3 months and it was not little it was 3 inches long.
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
@yeomanviking I'm sure you made a point somewhere in that post but it was so poorly typed that I can't tell what you were trying to say. Are you saying 3 inch long things that can't survive outside the womb are animals, or people, or what?
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
@BENY0HAMA sorry dude I suck at typing what I am trying to say is that babies(premies) who have been known to survive outside the womb at very early stages of pregnancy.I had what looked like a 3 inch long fetus fall out of my body if you want I can private email wiht details because its too grose to say on youtube.They are not little tiny cells they are really quite big.It was very disturbing eye opener and we do call fish animals that exist in an aquarium that cannot survive outside aquarium.
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
@yeomanviking ...seriously? Yeah, fish can't live outside water. We can't live IN water. But we are born, as are all animals that are alive. No baby ("preemie" is an offensive term to premature children, FYI) has been shown to be able to survive before 28 weeks (7 months) and even then it's incredibly rare.
Should you (or anyone) be forced to endure 9 months of discomfort followed by the most painful experience possible and several years of financial burden?
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
@BENY0HAMA I carried my baby for 9 months years later after miscarriage and as much pain as it was at the end most of it wasn't that big a deal and the womans body changes very gradually to accomodate for the baby hun it wasn't as horrible as some people describe honestly it was actually just really difficult to wipe bottom no joke LOL!!Noone should ever force anything on anyone but pregnancy is not forced it a choice we make as women when we choose to spread our legs.If raped different story.
yeomanviking 2 weeks ago
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Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even if it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babie's RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
sobriquet1999 2 weeks ago
WAIT!!! Why does God stop Abraham at the last moment? And God didn't command Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter to him. Jephthah had free will. Which God gave to all of us. God doesn't stop free will. We have to choose what is right and wrong. The only time God commanded a sacrifice was to Abraham and again, he stopped Abraham at the last moment. Why?
musicman45ist 3 weeks ago
@musicman45ist Free will is not a biblical concept.
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
@BENY0HAMA That is your argument? That is the weakest argument I've ever heard. Plus you avoided the question of, why did God stop Abraham? That is the most simple question. By the way, your wrong, it is a biblical concept, if you actually read it you would see it is covered in free will. Just cause God gave commandments doesn't mean there isn't free will, because we still have the free will not to follow, which is what you are doing.
musicman45ist 2 weeks ago
@musicman45ist Jeremiah 10:20. Acts 13:48. Romans 8:29-30, 9:11-22. Ephesians 1:4-5. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12. 2 Timothy 1:9. Jude verse 4. All say there is no free will, god predetermined what everyone chooses. Your move, kiddo.
Your question itself avoids MY point. Abraham knew god intimately, and if he wasn't cool with human sacrifice then Abraham would have known god was putting him on.
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
@BENY0HAMA Don't talk to me with that shit you ass, fuckin call me kiddo. If you had any common sense, it would tell you that yes God has a plan for you, but the point is he wants you to choose it. So he gives you the choice (free will) of taking what he has planned for you or not. I have a dog and he knows I am not a mean person but if I told him to bite someone he would. I don't know my dog "intimately". By the way, you sure do talk about God like you believe in him.
musicman45ist 2 weeks ago
@musicman45ist but some of those verses say (in no uncertain terms) that god chose who would make that choice before they were born. I mean, you'd know that if you looked into them at all rather than just telling me what you thought those verses said.
I'm speaking hypothetically. If I ask who would win in a fight between Iron-Man and Robocop, am I saying both those fictional characters exist?
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
@BENY0HAMA There is a difference in knowing what somebody will do, and making them do it. He still allowed them the choice not to do something, or to do something.
But you are trying to disprove God by using the material that proves to us that he exists. Get your own proof. If he doesn't exist then those words have no meaning to you, and you use them to argue your point as if they hold so much weight to you. Like you honestly believe what you are saying cause the bible says so. "Hypocrite"
musicman45ist 2 weeks ago
@musicman45ist I don't think you understand. According to your book, your god determines what will happen. He knows what you'll do because he decided it! Have you read those verses yet?
I'm not trying to disprove your god here. I can, and have proven your god is fake.
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
@BENY0HAMA And to answer your question, yes I have read those verses. When you pick one small section like that to prove your whole theory, shows how small your mind really is. Putting passages by themselves like that doesn't show it in context of the whole picture. That would be like watching the end of Return of the Jedi and think "Hey! Darth Vadar was the good guy in the movie" That is the most narrow minded and credulous view point "kiddo" *said sarcastically*
musicman45ist 1 week ago
@musicman45ist Then why did you misrepresent what the verses said? For your information, in context it still says there is no free will.
BENY0HAMA 1 week ago
@BENY0HAMA I didn't misrepresent, what I was saying is, you are misunderstanding. What I am getting from this is that you are too narrow minded to understand something that has substance, such as the Bible. The point of this whole thing is you believe abortion is "ok" and unfortunately you are right, you have the FREEDOM to do what you want, just remember freedom can come with consequences. And that is what you don't like about God, so you try to disprove his existance. Good luck.
musicman45ist 1 week ago
@musicman45ist 1: Your god, if he exists (and he doesn't) predetermined everything. Those passages prove it.
2: I'm not the narrow-minded one.
3: I don't "try" to disprove your god, I "have". It's pretty easy.
4: I don't believe in your god because I used critical thinking to test every idea I held, and christianity failed my simple questioning.
BENY0HAMA 1 week ago
@BENY0HAMA 1: He has predetermined a plan, those passages prove his plan, it is up to you to make the choice yourself. Does he know what you will do, yes, does he sway you either way, no. 2: Yes you are. Narrow minded is is convincing yourse;f that there is no right or wrong, to feel no guilt in what you do wrong, so there is only right.
3: You haven't disproved God to me, You just boast that you have. I haven't heard shit from you.
musicman45ist 1 week ago
@BENY0HAMA 4: Critical thinking is also called over thinking. Which is neither of what you are doing. You are trying to justifiy your actions without punishment. Yes it is that simple. And again I have not heard this simple question that disproves that, which has more evidence of being than not being. No matter how much you twist and change and take away from it.
musicman45ist 1 week ago
@musicman45ist 1: No, "predetermined" means that it's already decided. In a predetermined universe we only have the illusion of freedom.
2: I feel you need to read a dictionary.
3: I haven't shown you my disproof of god. I have a few on my blog, actually. benfromcanada blogspot
4: NO YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT. Critical thinking is NOT overthinking! God damn it! read a goddamned book you drooling retard!
5: If I do wrong, I'll be punished on earth, and I'll deserve it.
BENY0HAMA 1 week ago
@BENY0HAMA Got ya, you after math fuck drip! Don't ask God to damn anything for you if he doesn't exist.
musicman45ist 1 week ago
@BENY0HAMA Why are you getting so testy? It's not easy when somebody doesn't believe you is it. What about somebody that doesn't believe in you? He still believes in you, whether or not you think he is fake.
musicman45ist 1 week ago
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Sueezee2 4 days ago
@BENY0HAMA You can prove no such thing, and your opinion of yourself is way too high. Your self-professed knowledge can't save your soul, only Jesus can, and when you stand before judgment and see Him seated on His white throne in all His Glory and Might, and you see Lucifer with his 'file' on you ready to present the case for your damnation, and you see the angel holding the scales, you would pee on yourself if you had a bladder. Remember my words....but remember also I pray for you.
ProphecySDarko 5 days ago
@ProphecySDarko says: Remember my words..
~~~~~~~~~ Hi God, I didnt know you had a computer up there!!
Sueezee2 4 days ago
@BENY0HAMA You twist everything up, I suppose when you read these they were not in context. My guess is you are unaware of the language of the time, which leads to misunderstanding. But also for somebody to have such a smug asshole personality as yours "kiddo" it's easy to twist words to make yourself look right, which is ultimately your goal. You want to look right and that you have total control over your life and decisions. You will see that God gave you free.
musicman45ist 1 week ago
Sin is wrongdoing.The following PROVES ABORTION'S WRONG SCRIPTURALLY. Book of Enoch:1Khanokh69 "The fifth (fallen angel) was Kasdeya.This is he who showed the yeladim-a'am all the EVIL STRIKINGS OF UNCLEAN ruahim & DEMONIC entities.HE SHOWED THEM THE DASHING OF THE EMBRYO IN THE WOMB SO THAT IT WOULD DIE."This Dead Sea Scroll book also says fallen angels taught metalworking/cosmetics/CURSING/star signs etc.1Khan8 "From this arose great immorality, they were led astray." BIBLICAL PROOF ITS WRONG!
ProphecySDarko 1 month ago
@ProphecySDarko I'm sure you know more than actual biblical scholars, kiddo. *pat pat*
BENY0HAMA 1 month ago
@BENY0HAMA You can only come up w a condescending remark as a rebuttal? I see you couldn't counter my post because your invalid point is now disproved. Book of Enoch has been translated by biblical scholars.I'm sure you know Enoch is mentioned in Hebrews, Genesis, Luke, Jude, Chronicles, Ex. and Numbers. A holy man, he didn't die but was taken up by God Himself. As I stated, Enoch prophesied that the dashing of the embryo was taught by the fallen angels (those of the devil). You lose.
ProphecySDarko 1 month ago
@ProphecySDarko Are you aware that the book of Enoch isn't in any bible aside from the Orthodox bible, read by 5-10% of all christians?
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
@BENY0HAMA Not the entire book of Enoch but the Bible says much about him. Shouldn't you know the book of Enoch comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls which were found much later? Hebrews11:5 says Enoch was a holy man who pleased God. The entire Book of Enoch can be found online. There are many early writings within the church condemning abortion as well, just google it.
ProphecySDarko 2 weeks ago
@ProphecySDarko No, it doesn't. The book of Enoch was amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls, yes, but we had it long before we found those scrolls. It's been read by Jews and Orthodox Christians for millenia. There are exactly no early writings condemning abortion. One condemning what we could call forced abortion, but nothing else because the procedure didn't exist then.
BENY0HAMA 2 weeks ago
The bible doesn't de-legitimize Zeuker's stance, it supports it easily. Hello? Thou shalt not kill? It's written in black and white. Look & listen to a sonogram. Your efforts to twist other scriptures just proves how desperate you are to try and prove your point. The Ten Commandments were written in stone by God's finger and they stand forever, for Jesus said He did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. He also said to follow Him. It is so obviously clear. I pray God will save you.
ProphecySDarko 1 month ago
@ProphecySDarko You're still here? Sheeeeit. OK, to counter your point about "thou shalt not kill": THE ENTIRE REST OF THE BIBLE. Tons and tons of murder there, ordered by your god. Also, most of those "10 commandments" call for execution, i.e. "killing". Read your book.
BENY0HAMA 1 month ago
@BENY0HAMA Yes,still here & still praying for you! Wrongo, the entire rest of the bible isn't about murdering.Old Testament speaks of God's people slaying the wicked who inhabited the promised land,yes.Gods ways can't be understood.I don't know what version of the 10 Comm you're reading that says to murder. Read Isaiah 49.5 And now the LORD says--HE WHO FORMED ME IN THE WOMB,etc.Ever read Gods scriptures about His love for us? I dare you to pray to God to make Himself known to you.
ProphecySDarko 1 month ago
@ProphecySDarko Are you capable of reading? The penalty for not obeying most of your 10 commandments is death. |I think it's the first 7 are punishable by execution, i.e. murder.
Read the rest of Isaiah 49 for context. He's talking about himself. God didn't form YOU in the womb to be a great prophet, silly.
I'll pray to your god to get him to prove he's real IF you pray to Thor for the same reason. Deal?
BENY0HAMA 1 month ago
@BENY0HAMA The wages of sin is death, yes, that's where Jesus' saving blood comes in.When He says He formed Isaiah in the womb it goes w/o saying He formed ALL OF US in the womb.To be a prophet is to speak the truth of Gods word. I do, however dream things before they happen.You're scared to pray to God to prove He's real to you 'cause your pride would be greatly wounded.The bible doesn't have the word abortion 'cause that word didn't exist at the time.Your argument is gasping for air
ProphecySDarko 1 month ago
@ProphecySDarko Sin is fictional, like your god.
You didn't read that chapter of Isaiah, did you? Go back, read it. It's pretty fucking clear that it isn't about everyone.
I'm not scared to do anything, but praying to a god means I already think it's real. I'd either be reaffirming my pre-existing faith (of which I have none) or I'd be wasting my time trying to ask something I don't believe in to prove it exists. It's a ridiculous endeavour. Why don't you see this?
BENY0HAMA 1 month ago
After watching this video and reading many of the comments on this wall, I can honestly say that your argument isn't respected and is nitpicked too much by religious people who aim to insult your rationale instead of refute it. Kudos to you for delivering legitimate and logically sound argument and putting up with ignorance. Oh and yes, religion is a blight on humanity.
brendanerday 1 month ago
@brendanerday It's comments like these that give me hope.
BENY0HAMA 1 month ago
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brendanerday 1 month ago
With the comment regarding 'made in god's image' when you say "explain different races & genders" that is just splitting hairs. To be made in the image of god is surely to do with human form is it not? Fair enough, argue your point with passion, but for a persuasive argument there is no need to attack every little comment on the video you are responding to.
Not everyone who has a moral or an ethical position against abortion is a radical activist.
ASensible1 2 months ago
@ASensible1 That is a radically broad interpretation of "made in god's image".
Not everyone who has a moral or ethical position against abortion is a radical activist, but bet honest, most are.
BENY0HAMA 2 months ago
I'm not arguing for or against anything, just wondering; If you don't believe in god, then why use verses from the bible to support your argument?
ASensible1 2 months ago
@ASensible1 I'm not. Using the bible to is meant to de-legitimize his stance that the bible is anti-abortion.
BENY0HAMA 2 months ago
I am sorry that people like amethystgemstone have to come here and see that someone would have not had a problem with their death. Wish Utube would pull this offensive, Antichrist stuff from people who don't have a problem with other people dying, innocent ones that can't help themselves. This country has a blood debt and God is just. Like other believers, I can only keep praying for His mercy
ProphecySDarko 2 months ago
@ProphecySDarko Hey, aren't you the idiot who said that I removed the comments from amethystgemstone1 even though the comments are clearly there? And you are clearly advocating censorship? I think people like you are more offensive than even I am.
BENY0HAMA 2 months ago
@BENY0HAMA Yeah, I'm the idiot who doesn't believe in murder.So you admit your offensive.Hmm, maybe we're finally getting somewhere. Abortion is the American Holocaust, no if's ands or buts, and you're promoting it. Pretty offensive all right. Clinics are closing down right & left because people see it is for profit, not for women. Google Dr. Kermit Gosnell and take a look at one of the guys (abortionists) you are in alignment with, preferably while eating lunch.
ProphecySDarko 2 months ago
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"180"movie.......on youtube, very informative on pro choice and pro life, its 33 minutes long, check it out
10cannons 3 months ago
You don't need to be religious to be opposed to abortion! If an unborn child is alive while it is living in the womb then of course abortion is murder as it is killing a living human. The person who made this video seems to think that anti-abortion people are all religiously motivated rather motivated by reasoning and simple respect for all human life. Most people base what is right and wrong on common sense rather than religious writings. The same goes for abortion.
ParagramTree 3 months ago
apathetic is not a stand on abortion
TheMinny11 3 months ago
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mreloo 3 months ago
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mreloo 3 months ago
Lol, this is amazing XD
InAllOurDreams 4 months ago
@InAllOurDreams watch "180" the movie here on you tube
mreloo 3 months ago
@mreloo Lmfao, I watched it and I still have no issue with abortion. Sorry, you can't compare the killing of already born Jews with the aborting of fetuses. That arguement is redundant and will never make me change my mind. I dont believe that abortion is much different than killing a spider on your wall. They are just nuicances.Andthis is notmuch different than a baby. But there are small differences. Especially the legality. It's simply the point of where to draw the line.
InAllOurDreams 3 months ago
@InAllOurDreams "It's simply the point of where to draw the line" (very good point) and nuisances... hitler thought the Jews were, along with the disabled..old.. more good points.. "It's SIMPLY the point of where to draw the line." Aren't you glad your Mom did not kill the "spider" (is that what you feel you were ?)
mreloo 3 months ago
@mreloo Actually it wouldnt matter if my mom aborted me. I wasnt even aware of myself. I wouldnt even know it XD If my mom wouldnt felt it better to abort me, I would want her to do what is best for her. I think the main thing here is that we have different morals. You find value in a fetus, while I do not. We are probably best to leave it at that, since neither of our opinions on the subject are going to change. It's just pointless and futile to argue.
InAllOurDreams 3 months ago
it's not wrong or right....it's none of your FUCKING BUINESS...what a woman wants to do with HER body is NONE OF YOUR BUISNEESS...and it's not murder....fuck that god shit! too this goes for everyone saying its wrong and it murder
stormlover24 5 months ago
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stormlover24 5 months ago
Here is the logical problem, unless you can prove the embyro is not human:
1) The embryo is a human being and you know it -- and you kill the embryo -- MURDER
2) The embryo is a human being and you don't know it -- and you kill the embryo -- MANSLAUGHTER
3) The embryo is not a human being and you don't know it -- and you kill the embryo -- CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE
patientthomist 5 months ago
too bad your mom didn't have one.
theartist53 5 months ago
What a bunch of GARBAGE, why dont you just suck obastards teet and join planned parenthood euthanasia program you satanic peice of murder loving shit! good day
chaderdley 6 months ago
@chaderdley i see you're pretty tolerant
uyuyuy99 5 months ago
@Logistica11735 Christ almighty. You didn't watch this video at all, did you? Do it.
BENY0HAMA 6 months ago
@Logistica11735 Well, for one, I'm a person now. Abortions don't kill people, they kill embryos, fetuses, zygotes...not people.
BENY0HAMA 6 months ago
if you read the bible with darken eyes.. this what you get...your disdain for God (your creator) is... well... silly
mreloo 6 months ago
@mreloo I don't believe in your deity. I can't hate what I don't believe in.
BENY0HAMA 6 months ago
@BENY0HAMA not yet anyway....lol
mreloo 6 months ago
@mreloo so sad....indoctrinated as a child and now unable to see reason. and christians call themselves enlightened?
rietveen26 4 months ago
@rietveen26 . indoctrinated ? really? so everyone who is a born again Christian was indoctrinated as a child?that's a..well you know what that is. So believing in abortion is ( good) reasoning ? please enlighten me. And please don't use the Mother will die if she gives birth one...(I believe that speaks for itself) most abortions are not done with that in mind
mreloo 4 months ago
@mreloo yes, every christian has been indoctrinated except for some lunatics :). I don't know what you mean by born again, are you a believer in reincarnation? I am not neccesarily pro-abortion, I am pro-choice. and yes, of course abortion is well reasoned, otherwise every medical expert in the world would speak out against it. now it's just the religious zealots, unfortunately mostly from the US. by the way, you sound quite hostile....it's not a very pleasant tone :)
rietveen26 4 months ago
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@mreloo rietveen26 = another know it all who can't see the forest through the trees - Ex ."you sound quite hostile" ?? "every christian has been indoctrinated except for some lunatics" "it's just the religious zealots"
Abortion is still killing a life no matter what kind of spin you put on it ( wearing a white coat does not give you an "automatic" true moral compass) What if your Mom decided to have one?
mreloo 4 months ago
@mreloo If you cherry pick your Bible, you get a loving god. If you actually read it, you get a narcissistic prick. I'm sorry you ignore the many, many stories of genocide, rape, slavery, and more (all of which the Bible endorses, by the way.)
ImFlareonBitch 3 months ago
@ImFlareonBitch so yer an bible expert? Anyone who diligently studies the Bible will continually find remarkable structural and mathematical patterns woven throughout its fabric, with an intricacy and symmetry incapable of explanation by chance or collusion. The individual writers, at the time of writing, had no idea that their message was eventually to be incorporated into such a Book, but each nevertheless fits perfectly into place and serves its own unique purpose as a component of the whole.
mreloo 3 months ago
@mreloo You mean in the English version?
If you look hard enough at anything, you can find patterns. That doesn't make them 'divine'.
ImFlareonBitch 3 months ago
@ImFlareonBitch King James- Many people tend 2 go along with the popular delusion, the Bible is full of mistakes and no longer relevant 2 our modern world. Nevertheless the Bible writers claimed repeatedly, they were transmitting the very Word of God, infallible and authoritative in the highest degree. Hundreds of Bible prophecies having been fulfilled is significant. Also, no real mistake has ever been demonstrated in the Bible in science, in history, or any other subject. Though many r claimed
mreloo 3 months ago
@mreloo It isn't a delusion that the Bible is full of mistakes. It is a delusion that it isn't.
It is also a delusion that all of these 'prophecies' have been fulfilled. Name one.
No real mistakes every demonstrated in the Bible? I guess evolution went down the drain just because you said so.
Why are the overwhelming majority of scientists atheist?
ImFlareonBitch 3 months ago
@ImFlareonBitch evioution is a theory based on "There is no God" sooo this is how "WE" got here (on earth) it's made up ! full of lies...half truths...assumptions and missing links.....and why so many people believe the lies? cus they like the no God theory....pride....Eviloution is made to fit "the no God theory" and it is very sad to see scientist believe things they would never believe in the REAL world, like, given enough time a 747could create itself from a pile of metal and plastic amen
mreloo 3 months ago
@mreloo Except you ignore the fact that nearly half of all Christians believe in evolution too.
You know why? Because there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that evolution is FACT. Anybody who denies evolution is either an ignorant shit or is holding onto the hope that their god actually did create them in the likeness of him and they aren't only apes. You're the one holding onto something idiotic, not us.
ImFlareonBitch 3 months ago
@ImFlareonBitch 1/2 of all Christians r wrong if they believe in eviloution. Its a made up lie to fit "the no God theory" Take a look at one function of the human body and really study it... and all this created itself ? one system is so complex and all the systems fit together perfectly. it is a design, a design demands a designer. " you are fearfully and wonderfully made" (Psalm 139:14) If everybody told u to jump of a cliff cus everybody's doing it, does it make it right?
mreloo 3 months ago
@mreloo The body is not perfect and does not fit together perfectly. If you took an in-depth look at one function, you would realize this.
For example, you have a blind spot in your eye - your brain assumes what is there and fills it in.
You're going to credit such a perfect 'god' with such an imperfect creation?
Poor you.
ImFlareonBitch 3 months ago
@ImFlareonBitch your brain assumes what is there and fills it in.?? your brain assumes..mmm sounds like your helping to make my point. The brain is way more powerful than a "designed" computer. You see if you want to know if there is a true God and by that I mean the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob the God of the Jews the God of the bible who sent his son Jesus Christ..you can..know for a fact..ask him.. pride keeps us from going there..but God can help that also...if u can ask with humility.
mreloo 3 months ago
@mreloo And you're right - that half of Christians is wrong. The part they are wrong about isn't evolution, though - it's the part about them being Christian.
ImFlareonBitch 3 months ago
@mreloo On top of that, many parts of the Bible contradict each other.
But that doesn't get brought up in this "intrinsically woven" bullshit argument, does it?
ImFlareonBitch 3 months ago
@TheGothicMaria
but what if the embro has a soul? Wouldn' t that make you equal? How do you know souls do not exist? And why are you superior? The embryo still has a brain, a heart a soul, and a chance of living. What exacly is the difference between you guys? You are still ending an existance.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@sara A soul doesn't constitute sentience. Besides, the soul would most likely be better off not being born here. She is superior because she is sentient. In other words: The basics are she can think, she has feelings, she can suffering physically, emotionally and mentally, she is conscious. The more complex, human-only things are she has a future, aspirations, dreams, people to live for (assumingly. Like a boyfriend or husband). An physical existence is meaningless without a mental existence.
vgman94 7 months ago
@vgman94
How do you know that soul does not feel, think or hope for a fututre? How do you know that baby wouldn' t prfer to be born? Can you read his mind? Are you an expert of souls. Did you create the universe so that you know if souls exist or not?
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@saramichealhpt Because I never hoped for the future in the womb. No-one. Not you, not me, not Maria or BENY0HAMA existed in the womb. "Can you read his mind?" There is no mind to read! Did you read my comment or not? I don't have to create a universe to know a soul doesn't equal a need for equality, whether it exists or not. And my belief in the existence of souls is irrelevant to the argument.
vgman94 7 months ago
@vgman94
A fetus has chances to live, have hopes, dreams, realize amazing things in his/her life. A fetus might as well have a soul. A soul is a spiritual part of a creauture (including humans in the category). Souls are the part that surviveafter death, the parts that can feel. How do you know that a fetus does not have any soul? How do you know that souls do not exist? You have no way to prove that souls do not exist.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@saramichealhpt I never said souls didn't. But what makes you think a soul inhabits the body at conception? Maybe the fuse with it as a progress similar to the fetus' growth? How do you know a fetus has hopes, dreams and the like? Have you talked to one? Are you some kind of fetal soul expert? Souls survive after death, but what if fetuses die without gaining a soul?
vgman94 7 months ago
@vgman94
No, I said that souls have chance of living, hoping, and doing amazing things. Second, how do you know that a fetus at conception does not geta soul? How do you know that for sure? Everything in this universe has energy, that can not be destroyed. Meaning that fetus, considering the fact he/she is a living cretaure, must have a soul.By killing a fetus aren' t you providing pain to the soul because he/she does not get a chance to live, and have any experiences?
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@saramichealhpt How do you know it provides pain to the soul? How do you know the soul can even feel pain? If the fetus can't feel pain physically, it can't get to the soul even with your leap of logic. The energy in the fetus makes up it's physical body, not any spirit. Not having experiences and not living before you're born is not like pain at all.
vgman94 7 months ago
@vgman94
How do you know it does not? I am saying it because there are high chances it does, and before doing anything so drastic we should at leats be 100% sure.Yeah, you are still taking th chance of a fetus to live, and it' s equallt horrible and cruel.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@saramichealhpt There is no chance it does. Do you remember anything you claim fetuses have while you were in the womb? Abortions are horrible to look at, but for the fetus, in and of itself, it is not cruel. It can't think, feel emotions or pain. It's not sentient/conscious and there are many people who wish they were aborted and/or commit suicide. What if the fetus you choose NOT to abort ends up killing him/herself?
vgman94 7 months ago
@vgman94
How do you knoe there are no chances? Did you create the unierse, i suppode that you know how everything works lol. what does it mean, the fetus would kill himself, or herself. Chances are low, and that is a fact, most of the babies who survived abortion, or were not aborted did not commit suicide.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria Dude, life begins at the moment of conception; so, you're telling me that at 24 weeks, the baby makes a sudden HOP to becoming a baby? Ridiculous!
LeftHandCookie 7 months ago
@LeftHandCookie Life doesn't begin at conception otherwise, parasitic twins, fetus tumors, mass of clumps, and stone babies wouldn't exist. Do tumors have souls? Because that's what happened to my friend's aunt's fetus and had to be removed by surgery. I don't think your god would waste a soul.
TheCrippledCrow 5 months ago
@TheGothicMaria
Just because it' s a right of yours it does not mean it' s fair. You are still ending an existance because you don' t want to feel child birth pain...
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
Oh. And by the way. (I'm sure that many people have already pointed out this error) Babies have been born in the 2nd trimester and have lived. I've held a baby in my womb just this year. It was a wonderful experience. I felt the baby move long before he was ever born. I felt his very life inside of me. Abortion never crossed my mind. Looking into my son's eyes and realizing that I had a "legal" right to kill him is kind of frightening.
pinklady292 7 months ago
Calling a veterinary clinic and asking to have an abortion done on your dog would be appalling to most people. In fact, animal doctors will not abort unborn animals. Funny huh? The fact that animals are viewed as having equal and sometimes greater value than humans is kind of scary. Let's kill unborn children due to inconvenience but make sure that Fluffy is comfortable.
pinklady292 7 months ago
@pinklady292 oh shut up you idiot.
sugar6486 5 months ago
So what if your mom aborted you? I am prepared for your response. So seriously, what if your mother had aborted you?
MrJacobStewart 7 months ago
@MrJacobStewart I would never have existed. I mean, I was dead for some 14 billion years before my birth, and if my birth never happened, I'm pretty sure I'd feel the same way now as I did then.
BENY0HAMA 7 months ago
@MrJacobStewart Typical "what if your mom aborted you" question from a pro-birther. If my mum aborted me, I wouldn't care because my body wouldn't have been conscious at all.
TheCrippledCrow 5 months ago
@TheGothicMaria Call it an unwanted lawful-sex baby or whatever, but every child counts.
LeftHandCookie 7 months ago
@LeftHandCookie
I agree.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
Yeah yeah. So what? A guy is talking who has no idea what life inside of him is like? No idea the bond that forms? And No one, except those who survived abortion, even remotely understand the pain they go through! Brain waves travel before most abortions!! I have been in the hospital, helping people do these things! Even at ten years old, I have seen the silent scream. I was one of the few who survived abortion.
amethystgemstone1 7 months ago
@amethystgemstone1
I admire your strenght, and hope that you are living a good life :). I never went through abortion, but I went through some messed up stuff, & I can feel what it means to have people trying to judge you when they have no idea of what it feels like.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@amethystgemstone1 You do realize that I was criticizing another man, right? Does he also have no idea what he's talking about, or, since he agrees with you, is he alright?
BENY0HAMA 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria
But don' t you think it' s like meeting someone at the side of the rode, who desperately needs blood, but it' s ok to refuse to give blood to him, because you don' t want to feel the pain of a needle? I think it' s really selfish, and shows how uncaring and cold people can be. I think it' s more asking for the ''right'' to allow someone to die - By the way, I am Christian, but I do not believe in everything in the bible, therefore I am not stating my theories on the bible.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria
So you are telling me that you would allow someone to stop someone from having the chance to live an existance because you don' t want to feel the pain of giving birth? Don' t get me wrong, I believe in women' s rights, for my whole life, I was abused, and had to live in chains, because I never had a voice. So I know what it must feel for women to not have a voice at all. I had people telling me to be a nurse, when I want to be an architect, 'cause that' s the right ''role''.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
Not surprising to see many coming to Benyhama's video who don't believe in God. They want their disbelief verified by others' opinions.Truth is, you do have a soul, there is a God, & He said not to kill.He gave us rules to live by so that we may live the best life.Sin leads to unhappiness & the perishing of soul after death.Choose God's way & choose eternal bliss.All you do is ask Jesus into your heart.He loves you. Satan is the overlord of this world, & he seeks only to destroy everyone he can.
suzeeq41 7 months ago
Dear person who made this video, you asked that people challenge the points you made. Please read all the scriptures instead of perverting and twisting them for your ill-purposes.
spindiamond 7 months ago
Because the Bible does not specifically say that Abimilec sacrificed his daughter most theologians believe that he gave her up to the Temple to live a life for God. Thus meaning that she would forever be a Virgin and Abimilec's line of descendants would end. She was his only child. Abimilec did not seek God"s acceptance of his terms when he promised to sacrifice the first thing that walked out of his tent. He was stupid and impulsive.
spindiamond 7 months ago
Moriah in Hebrew means "God will provide." Mt Moriah was where Abraham was to sacrifice his son. But God provided an alternative sacrifice. This all points to Christ. We are all at the mercy of God's wrath but he provided his son, the only true human sacrifice, to take on the wrath of God in our place. The stories in the Old Testament are symbolic of God's provision of salvation. No where does it say that God accepted Abimilec's sacrifice. Read the passages if you don't believe me.
spindiamond 7 months ago
@spindiamond So you're against me "twisting" your bible to my purposes by saying that it means exactly what it said (that is, that Abimilec's daughter was sacrificed by him) and yet you're OK with twisting it yourself to say that he "sacrificed" her by sending her to a convent? Hypocrisy, thy name is spindiamond.
BENY0HAMA 7 months ago
@BENY0HAMA First off...The Bible never specifically states what Abimilec did. And the scriptures say nowhere that God accepted Abimilec's terms and sacrifice. Are you using the Bible as a reference or not? If you are then you apparently aren't reading what you're siting, which is the point being made.
pinklady292 7 months ago
But God did not lie. He provided an alternative sacrifice. He kept his promise.
spindiamond 7 months ago
@spindiamond So god saying that Abraham had to sacrifice his kid when he didn't have to isn't lying?
BENY0HAMA 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria
Second, no giving the baby to adoption would not solve all the problems, I am being realistic, but it would save a life.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria
''You sound like a real arrogant holy-roller when you tell women to use birth control.'' - You wrote it.
Yeah, I think a human life is precious, so are my beliefs, problems? I think it' s our bussiness when you are stopping someone from having a chance of living. Yeah, I never said that we as women should not be free to have rights. I believe in equal rights, and equal freedom of choice and voting. But it' s not a right to stop an existance, it' s an excuse.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria
Plus you can always give the child to adoption.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
You can't pick and choose what scriptures will work best for you.
In Genesis 15 God had several animals torn in two and he physical passed between the animals. In the Bible this was a covenant meaning that if God did not keep his word then he would tear himself in two and cease to exist. God swore that through Abraham would be many nations. If he were to destroy Abraham's son of promise then he would be breaking his covenant. He was testing Abraham's faithfulness.
spindiamond 7 months ago
@spindiamond
How can you believe in eveything in the bible? I am religious, but how do you know that God said any of that, and that stuff actually happened?
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@spindiamond Assuming that is true, then either Abraham is an idiot, or Abraham who knows god's character better than any human saw that god was able to lie.
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@TheGothicMaria
Sorry about it, seriously, I' m not being sarcastic. But it was pretty obvious that I was referring to the women who did not take precautions . Second, how on earth can you state that souls do not exist? I respect your choice to be an atheist. But it shows ignorance when you label people who believe in souls as ''morons.'' Sorry, but there are brilliant scientists, who use logic in their everyday lives that are also religious.
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saramichealhpt 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria
By pain I also meant spiritual pain, and please don' t tell me fetus do not have any soul, because just because you can not prove it does not necessarily mean souls do not exist. Second, if you are going to have sex, than you might as well have enough pity and intelligence to use protection. Condoms and birth pills exist for a reason. How would you feel if a couple of uncaring people decided to give you, and then end your life because they wanted a ''full'' sexual experience?
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
I think it' s just unfair. How can someone be so irresponsible to give life to a child, why did you conceive the baby if you were not ready to take care of the child? Now, even if the baby is not born yet, the baby can fully feel pain, and can acknowledge basic feelings like fear, and surprise. And, yes, judging from my experiences, babies HAVE soul. So, yes killing the baby is a murder. They are as important as normal people.
saramichealhpt 7 months ago
The lowest of the low kill those who can't fight back. Those are the true cowards. The ones who look at all those little body parts and casually throw them in the trash. Take your smile to the Judgment throne and see where it gets you. It's soooo hard to pray for you, but I'm doing my best. (laugh)
suzeeq41 7 months ago
@TheGothicMaria Then give it up for adoption. You're still saving a life.
LeftHandCookie 7 months ago
So im not gonna take this to 3 pages of youtube comments but um what I think is wrong here.(not your vid but abortion itself)
"Save the polar bears but kill the baby's"
zoidberg96913 7 months ago
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@zoidberg96913 says: Save the polar bears but kill the baby's"
~~~~~~~~~~ Are you comparing living, breathing polar bears that are essential to the circle of life, to an unborn entity . You see we dont care about polar bear embryos, now do we? Get it??
Sueezee1 7 months ago
ITS MA BODY IDO WA IWAN!!!
KemoSTL 8 months ago
@TheGothicMaria And so would your child if it was born. Pro-lifers never think about how the babies would feel AFTER they're born. Most of the time before birth, they're developing bodies, lumps of flesh growing. Not sentient, conscious creatures who can feel pain. They don't feel emotional pain as they don't have emotions. They don't have a psyche to be traumatized, until the 6th month, they have no compacity for physical pain. They're not morally important.
vgman94 8 months ago
Actually God just told Abraham to make a sacrifice and he was from that babylonian civilization where they offered their children to Moloch. He had already a ram prepared for him to sacrifice. stop your blasphemy! Murder is the act of killing without self defense. NO ONE has the right to kill. CLOSE YOUR LEGS MEN and WOMEN if you're not ready for kids period. thats why sex outside of marriage is frowned on. Now just because you've been taught by satan ie science doesnt make you remotely correct
chaderdley 8 months ago
@chaderdley Marriage-only sex is UNNATURAL! It's wrong to stop ourselves just because of these insane "morals". They go against every instinct in our body and make people MISERABLE. God would NOT want us to be miserable out of such inane superstitions. We have abortion (Which is NOT wrong. Read Psalms 137), the Pill, condoms and variations of them. We do not have to control ourselves this way anymore. All we need to do is lower our massive population.
vgman94 8 months ago
@vgman94 oh wow...look you cannot use superstition and GOD in the same sentence and remain credible. The fact is read your bible. we are supposed to marry those we become before we become involved because they didnt have abortion or birth control and they didnt want little fucking thuglets running around like today. Its the dumb assumption you make is why our society is on the brink of destruction. Its so funny how the founding fathers based our laws on the 10 comdmnts & GOD yet we hv tkn hm out
chaderdley 8 months ago
Respond to this video... if there is life and YOU KILL IT THAT IS MURDER. Once human conception happens the embyo becomes a parasite thus it is ALIVE!!!!
chaderdley 8 months ago
@chaderdley says: if there is life and YOU KILL IT THAT IS MURDER.
~~~~~~~~~ So if a man rides his bike in front of my moving car and he dies...its murder?? Do you ever use your damned head?? Abortion is NOT murder. Stop LYING.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1 no moron when you purposely kill that is murder, an accident is what it is. Stop sucking satan's teet. Just because you are lost doesnt mean you have to drag everyone down with you. If abortion was acceptable then GOD would have given us the opportunity to opt out of getting women pregnant. But he didnt. SEX is for procreation. just because you cant keep a girl happy without sexing her doesnt mean thats the way it should be. And sorry dude but abortion IS MURDER. You are the liar.
chaderdley 7 months ago
@chaderdley says: no moron when you purposely kill that is murder,
~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong again sweetcheeks.... if I kill the man thats raping my daughter , its NOT murder. Admit it, your l\ying to make a point or youre so uneducated that you dont know the legal defintion of murder...either way, you lose.
Sueezee1 7 months ago