Ok.lets be clear about this.The british have won all battles against us.They have succeeded in keeping us seperate.As apples and oranges.As good and bad (in our eyes).As traitors and god's favorite children.As Indians and Pakistanis,We have surrendered our right to a better future the moment we played into their hands.Today,we cant stand the sight of eachother because we are highly emotional,foolish and hell even stupid.Shame on indians here to belittle that country and shame on Pakistanis too!
There is undeinable proof that the ISI provided support to Lakshar for the Mumbai attacks.
Both Scotland Yard and the FBI have come to this conclusion.
Yet you pakistani's seem to live in a delusion that there was no Pakistani involvement and that these attacks were carried out by extremist Hindu groups.
The VHP and RSS are radical fanatics, but the idea that they orchestrated the killings of 30 Westerners + 100 other indians just to kill Karkare is nonsense.
Please post links to Scotland Yard & FBI statements that talk about ISI's involvement.. Simply allotting statements to others doesn't make for a convincing case.. Lashkar's involvement in 26/11 was independent of any help from the Pakistani state.. The sooner ignorant Indians can come to terms with that reality, the better.. RSS/VHP are part of the Indian social fabric whom Karkare was pursuing in Samjhota Express and Malegaon blasts
pakistan is already engaged in combating terrorism within country and our all agencies are busy in locating terorist and your indian media along with westren media is still against pakistan,you should solve your own problems,control manipur,naxalites and so many other seperate forces but u indians have seen pak as a soft target,we are soverign country and we know our responsibilities,and zoonist hindus and westrens will never succeed inshallah.
@mrassassin133 :fair enough.We all must feel horrible about innocent people dying anywhere in the world and Pakistan too.But in the verge, there also vests enormous responsibility on your shoulders as a Pakistani to do some soul searching and this is quiet different from sighting propaganda theories. What are top terrorists doing inside your country?how dare do they disrespect you or your people or your religion or your govt. or your army by pitching tent there?Peace!
@hashpuppy101: Terrorists hide, evade a state's security apparatus by moving from place to place.. To twist that on its head n say that being unable to catch someone means being complicit in their activities is quite the stretch of the imagination
I think I can relate to where your'e coming from.It would have been a stretch if this bin laden was captured in the border with Afghanisthan Faris.But a few hundred metres away from you army apparatus does not seem as far fledged an imagination to me.You see,if youre not complicit in the crime,then you are making an even more scary statement my friend.Look,Im not a pak basher.Ive got great friends there.I know where youre coming from.But the clock is ticking my man.
@hashpuppy101: Thats the same mentality as that of the conspiracy theorists who say Pearl Harbor was America's false-flag against Japan... How could those mighty Americans be caught napping against such a massive squadron of Japanese bomber aircraft eh? Or better yet, using the logic of your comment, how dare those Americans tell us that the twin towers came crashing down with just a jet crashing in each of 'em..? hmm.. Conspiracy theories are just what their name denotes.
@qambrani007 :Terrorists organizations are active in India.But the ones most threatening are all india centric and not world centric.There is a remarkable difference.
@qambrani007 :first,lets discriminate between terrorism and seperatism.Theyre not the same.And I agree they involve some forces from your country. But the point Im making is that these are India centric.We are targets.Not the U.S. or the R.O.W. my friend.
@hashpuppy101: In reality though, the Indian govt would beg to differ from you. According to the Indian establishment, anything that goes wrong in India is the work of ISI.. Separatism is healthy & well in most of India but the Indian army would have us believe they're all terrorists; the Maoists/Naxalites, fellaz in Manipur, ofcourse Kashmiris top that list all the while terrorists of Shiv Senaks & RSS continue to consolidate their strengths.. Lastly, please stop respondin to YEAR old comments
@faris710 :i think youre picking up slightly different points here.Interesting enough though:).First,the maoists and the naxalites are not separatists.They are fighting for what they believe to be their rights.They have certain land grabbing issues that they are revolting against and rightly so (although I have a slightly different perspective here). And they might have a few valid observations they are making.
@faris710:Secondly,the shiv senaks are by far the most insignificant movement in India.What you see online here is only an exxageration.Let me put it this way,those bastards control mumbai alone.India is far bigger than that.Since mumbai is both the cultural and the financial capital of the region,people outside of India tend to get the impression that they are rampant.The truth is,no one cares and they will vote those fucks out.MNS has not been in power in ages even in mumbai.
I LIKE 99.99% OF INDIANS hate the fact that my muslim brothers were victims of terrorism.To us,people that kill are terrorists.kaput.Be assured,We will crush out the R.S.S in the next 10 years.The govt. and the majority of hindus know they are radical.But india has a slightly different approach when it comes to crushing out a movement.We let them die naturally as we know force does not work beyond a certain point.Any publicity for R.S.S. only makes them more relevant.THE FACT IS THAT THEY AIN!
@hashpuppy101: Clearly WHICH world are you living in?? Dont believe in use of force? Atleast a hundred innocent & unarmed Kashmiris were shot dead by Indian security forces in J&K summer 2008 & act was repeated summer 2009 & 2010.. Am sure perhaps ONE Indian channel must've shown the popular uprising... the protests by hundreds of thousands marching up n down the valley.. I didnt see any Indians complaining about their democracy's actions towards just voices of dissent.. 500k troops in J&K man!
indians chronic disease....every one knows about it....YES ITS BLAME GAME.....india always has beeen and very irresponsible and pathetic neighbour.....
@awaab02:On the contrary,India has been the most responsible that any nation has been under circumstances.For instance, not once has water been blocked as opposed to zaid hamid's claims. Not once has there been an invasion by india. Not once has india started a war with you guys man.However, what we did do is to participate in the partition of pakistan without a doubt.and this is well after the bengalis complained. you need to substantiate every thing you say with data from neutral sources.
@hashpuppy101: *yawn* even though Zaid Hamid is a nutjob, fact is India keeps building new dams on rivers allocated to Pakistan & then come the apologists about how the 'water is not being stopped'.. And as for 'not once has India started war with you guys'.. please read some history books other than those written by Indians.. 1971 war was started by India flat out.. Neutral sources agree that Indian army had already entered East Pak much before West Pak launched airstrikes in the West.
@faris710 :ok....thats not accurate.India never touched water.Not till date and not in your worst nightmare will my country ever do that because the govt. here will get screwed.Dont forget, we have a huge agrarian community here and we understand how important water is to the region. Having said that, it bodes well to bring up the ellaborate dams that have been built by the chinese.India's cultural heritage to a certain extent is shaped by these great rivers.But we engage the chinese....
@hashpuppy101: Contrary to that, the upstream dams being constructed on ALL the three rivers allotted to Pakistan under Indus Treaty speak volumes of what Indian intentions may well be.. If nothing else, such actions only make it harder to find common ground with Pakistan because they deepen the distrust.. Not to forget there's enough hardliners in India who would love to tear up the Indus Treaty if they could & stop Pakistan's water supplies.
@faris710 :faris....I agree. India has erred.No doubt. But are you saying we cant move on at this rate my friend? We need a solution that works well NIOW AND FOR THE FUTURE!When I mean ancient, I was referring to the hatred that has been sowed between the two countries.And not as far back as the beginning of the previous milennia.That thought process of anti india, anti pakistan, hum ghaas khayengey is fucked up!we need a better imagination.We need peace.
@hashpuppy101: Peace is not built on utopian visions of its occurence.. states and its leaders have to take actions that demand courage and sacrifice.. Anwar Saadat of Egypt laid down his life to achieve peace with Israel.. perhaps South Asia can cough up a leader of such courage and determination.
the pundit displacement happened much earlier. It started in the 80s. its not as recent as you think.The plebicide was promised by India a long time ago. I agree. We need to move on.
This is why it makes sense for all of us to compromise and put the interest of the kashmiri for whom we've all been fighting this stupid war.We cant go on. Financially, india can afford to keep a war goin with pakistan.But Im not sure if pakistan can go on. The very fact that the government is trying to solve the issue and almost reached a solution with musharaff shows its sincerity.We cannot go on like this!we know this!We cant fight for kashmir if we dont love the kashmiri.
@hashpuppy101: The difference being that Pakistani public sentiment is very strongly tied to the plight of the Kashmiris, the people.. Whereas for India, its about holding on to the land.. the people in it matter little.. And there's no point denying this, I have had discussion and arguments with hundreds of Indians. They all have the same thing to say; 'u want Kashmiris, we'll send 'em, but we keep the land'.
@faris710 : I can sympathize with their sentiments.Which is why I think its all the more important for us to solve the problem.And the only way to get there is to quickly strike the iron when it shot.We missed one opportunity ( and this im afraid came from your side) when musharaff and manmohan almost inked the deal. We now need to quickly get there and solve it faris.Lets move on yaar.Too man people have died.Not worth it.
@hashpuppy101 :ok...im handling one question at a time.not dodging any of your questions at all.Im here to discuss everything you can throw at me.Wanna talk about human rights and the past?that will only open up a whole buncha cans that'l have so many worms coming out that I dun wanna go there.So basically,what youre saying is that it is alright for china to forcefully claim a territory because they arent a democracy and not ok for india to do so.So,by that measure,it wd be ok for pak to fund..
@hashpuppy101: its NOT ok for China to forcefully take over territory.. what was implied was, its ludicrous to compare apples to oranges. If you had brough the conduct of the United States in world affairs as your defence against Indian actions in J&K that would've been better.. China is on a different scale. Just like u now criticize Pak by sayin it funds terrorists but why did India fund Mukti Bahini & then later LTTE? Surely a democracy such as India has better standards? No?
all clandestine activity against india but not democratic enough for india to do so and hence she shall not?what do you think?we're gonna sit here and watch your army personnel cause havoc?nehru's promise about the plebicide would have gone thru had your people not flushed out the kashmiri pundits and altered the demographics of the state.we were going to do it until the pundits were flushed out.Now,i din wanna bring all these things up coz there is frankly no point in doing it.
@hashpuppy101: Its ok for you to bring it up.. It just aligns your narrative with the rest of your countrymen.. Everyone is fed the same staple diet of information. I have yet to see any academic proof of Nehru's promise being broken cuz of the pundit situation.. Pundit displacement began in early 90s.. Nehru's promise was made in the 60s; you really expect me to take your argument seriously? For 30yrs Indians were deliberating over fulfilling Nehru's promise or to find an excuse not to do so??
No where in my response have I claimed india is an angel. Ofcourse not!Im not at all sensitive to my pit falls here!we have erred and lets embrace that.But what we all here today must be concerned with is what is going to happen to the world where our kids will roam.not what happened in the world where my father was just a sperm!
@faris710 we dont build our nuclear posture and defense posture against the chinese.Because we realize that we need to grow and do all things possible to deepen ties with china on the trade front, on cultural front etc. and of course try to stay well assertive when it comes to national security related issues vis-a-vis china.All Im trying to say is that Pakistan's posture against India needs fundamental imagination which im afraid is not coming thru to me.
@hashpuppy101: Sure! Introducing nuclear weapons to South Asia by conducting 'peaceful' test wasn't a posture of any sorts? Pakistan followed.. Pakistan's posture is reactionary.. Just like India announced 'Cold Start' doctrine to conduct a blitzkreig type assault on Pakistan.. so Pakistan felt compelled to come up with an answer, & it was last month's testing of a battlefield tactical nuclear-capable missile. Remember, sabre-rattling is usually the weakest form of diplomacy that hardly pays.
FIRST.there is a difference between nuclear arsenal creation and posture.We believe that it is the right of any soverign state to decide if or not they want to have nuclear weapons.The truth is that pakistan occupies very little mindspace here in india as hard as it seems to believe.Our nuclear deterence is more or less in response to the chinese but not aimed at them.Most defence strategists would agree there is a difference between CMD and posture.Pak has an 'India specific' posture.
@hashpuppy101: No kidding Pak has 'India specific' posture.. the last time they trusted Indians at the behest of the UN (1971).. the Pakistanis were stabbed in the back.. on the back of that deed, came the nuclear testing of 1974... 3yrs is like 3minutes in historical terms.. Perhaps Indian strategists failed to take THAT into account & failed in their calculations since they now have TWO nuclear weapons states to deal with instead of ONE.
and that is remarkably different from having CMD.besides,had india not adopted that kind of posture,a seat at the UN security council would have become increasingly difficult for a country without WMD.And as we know,WMD is one key part of the mix.Some others having a robust economy,global reach etc.etc. This is a part of the framework.
@hashpuppy101: Wrong assumption. Currently the P5 of the UN usually include one other country in their deliberations over key world affairs (hope the term P5+1 rings a bell).. and that country is Germany.. then comes Japan & then Brazil, none have nukes.. Japan being the historical enemy of China has a pacifist constitution.. Something Gandhi would be proud of & deplore today's Indians to take a leaf out of...
@faris710:FYI,Japan was not allowed to build up their nukes and neither was germany thanks to uncle sam.She was in war with both and after their crushing defeat,both these countries were completely rebuilt by the U.S.. So, having a nuke was no choice for both these nations.Brazil has no perceived mortal enemy.their history is different.so,its not comparable im afraid.
@hashpuppy101: And you seriously believe that had Japan and Germany wanted, they couldn't have looked the other way & gone ahead with nuclear weaponry? That would be ludicrous to assume so...
@faris710:Only they would have risked being bombed again.And once you are ransacked,the images of a bloody past does scare the shit out of one id imagine.
@hashpuppy101: The humiliation of Germany in WWI didnt stop Hitler.. it only strengthened German resolve.. We'd be idiots to write-off similar post-WWII dynamics.. Today, the Japanese govt is out of sync with public opinion by latching onto US military presence in Okinawa when the ppl want the yanks to pack n leave.
@faris710 :yeah....bu in ww2,once germany got its ass whooped by the US,it knew it makes sense to shut up and listen.they did, and today,they have had most of their concerns addressed. i tink not looking the other way has paid off for them.this whole thing of pride and what have you gets people no where.we need to think strategically.and this is really not a subcontinental trait if i may add.
the japs are well split in the middle about the yanks in okinawa btw.the views are diverse.in an interconnected world, the japs also need to factor in trade.its not as straight forward as the common man's view im afraid.
@hashpuppy101: You are over-thinking the Okinawa situation.. Japan no longer needs American protection, especially by boots on the ground. Americans already have Guam nearby. Common man or no common man, the yanks have lost any and all legitimate reasons to be sitting in Okinawa. There is no split on Okinawa in Japan in terms of public opinion. Only those kow-towing the American narrative of a Chinese threat to Japan see things differently
@faris710 :china has a history of keeping pending issues with nations alive.Sun Tzu's overhang.lets not forget,they do have pending issues with japan.The U.S being the only super power will defend its interests to its teeth.
@hashpuppy101: U.S is steadily become a ghost superpower.. On the verge of default, it can only do so much to rattle China which holds 2/3rds of all American debt in its pockets
@faris710 :haha....in your dreams.the chineese have severe burdens quietly tucked away in their balance sheets. 2 trillion dollars of non performing assets and a banking system far worse than the U.S.' literally sets off 2 trillion dollars of national currency reserves.the U.S. is clearly not in good shape with all the borrowings.but holds enormous assets that it can liquidate if push comes to shove.the chineese are excellent in projecting an image.
And coming back to your question on why Im not visiting pakistan.Its coz people dont want me to.Alot of my pakistani friends say, dude, now is not the best time. Besides,I wanna go deep into the NWFP. I have a fascination for that range.I wanna do karakorrum too.But my Pakistani friends and Indians too ask me not to go right now.I can see now is not the best time too. Im thinking maybe our leaders will find the wisdom behind settling this stupid issue and move on.
Seondly,the bajrangdal and the RSS enjoy no specific political backing other than the BJP (in certain areas).the powers of these factions are grossly exxagerated.They go after pakistani stars true,but they also target a rakhi sawanth.lol.They are idiots and no one cares.When was the last time that anyone stopped loving paksitani stars because of them.WASIM AKRAM still travels to mumbai without any problem.He trains the KKR.celebs are soft targets man.
ok...if i reduced an exception to a rule,then all muslims should be called terrorists.that is just insane man.You can allow india's stand on kashmir to be reflective of its over all intentions.China,we know its history in tianmen square,we know how they took over tiber,we know how they control taiwan.Do you think it fair to paint all of chinese policy with the same brush?I dont think so.Pakistan too has no great record to boast off in this space.Basically,we need to stop viewing..
@hashpuppy101: Then again, China is NOT a democracy.. it doesn't claim to be & doesn't beat its chest aroudn the world about it.. India DOES.. Soo hmm.. lets see... authoritarian govt crackdown against innocent folks vs democracy using same or worse crackdown on innocent folks.. Nor does Pakistan boast abt being a democracy.. it struggles n it struggles.. The fact that even after all that Pakistan's been through, the country still has a democratic govt (despite its drawbacks) is miraculous.
@faris710 :China's accomplishments are remarkable.The highest alleviation of poverty recorded in history, incredibly structures, great infrastructure are all feats second to none.But we must also looked at a much deeper picture of China.Nos up rise as this is one culture that built the great wall in 11 years flat.But then,the hall mark of a communist govt. is to project an image of success of policies far more than democracies need to.Communist govts. despise unrests as it severely...
@faris710:... questions authority.Moscow was and still is among the most well planned and built cities in the world.So,its easy to get swayed by china's success.But what we all see is what she wants us to see.the real truth behind her economy lie in her balance sheet.and this is something that is agreeably so a huge concern for most thinkers across the world.If and when the china bubble bursts,the world is in for a serious down ward spiral and this includes the U.S. too.
@hashpuppy101: Instead of China, we should be more concerned about the American bubble going bust.. $17trillion debt ceiling reached; if Congress doesn't increase the limit, the United States WILL default & take the entire world economy down with it..
@faris710:America owns phenomenal assets.The Chinese dont on that scale. America can still attract global talent on board and over a period come over that debt. The Chinese dont have that luxury.It bodes well no to compare as america will win by an overwhelming margin.Its ability to create and own design and innovation is unparalleled.You need to do a whole lot more than building 'the factory of the world' to beat the fundamental merits of a free market.
@hashpuppy101: Your love for America is much appreciated and no one here is comparing China to America.. only the cold hard fact that China owns 2/3rd of American debt is being highlighted.. If American's dont stop printing more n more money & dont stop borrowing; the laws of economics take over and whether America or Zimbabwe, the resulting consequences will not bode well for anyone.
@faris710: The only country capable to ride that storm is America.There is no love (as to opposite to the way most pakistanis hate american policies) that I feel for america. It is mere understanding of her strenghts and weaknesses. I go there atleast thrice a year on work so am fairly acquainted with the ghost towns.Try going to cleveland and youl know where Im coming from.But the bust is nothing new to that country.It will come back.The chinese are in deeper shit coz they have funded 66% of..
...of wall street greed and stupidity.The question like I said in my previous scraps is, where does pakistan fit in from an economic sufficiency stand point.The real threat to your country will only begin to surface after this was is over.I hope your policy makers prevail.once this stupid man-eat-man saga is over,I hope your policy makers prevail.What do you think are the bottlenecks that pakistan will face once this war is done?from an economic perspective that is.
@hashpuppy101: Pakistan is already facing the real threat which is nearly $60b worth of economic losses since so-called War on Terror started. Uncle Sam will soon start retreating from Afg starting July 2011 & then the dust will start to settle on yet another doomed American misadventure. Pakistan will then pick up the pieces & rebuild from there on. The entire orgy of 42 wealthy Western states have the same amount of troops in Afg as Pakistan itself, as one single poor country, has committed
@hashpuppy101: Remains to be seen.. An ideal one would begin with radical tax reforms, massive increase in education and health, rebuilding of war-torn north-west...
@hashpuppy101: Bringing the land-owning agricultural elite in to the tax bracket.. Currently only 2% of Pakistanis pay income-tax - mostly those whose tax is cut from their pay-check automatically.. So there is massive potential there.. according to several estimates, on the conservative side, we're looking at adding $10b at least to the national exchequer with properly implemented taxation..
@faris710 :the american bubble is real.it isnt going to go away.But it all reflects in the balance sheet.So,the uphill journey has already commenced and we are on our way. Only god knows what crap is going to hit the ceiling when the dragon blinks. With half the number fudged and no way to cross verify those numbers, who knows whats going to go down.anyways.speculation never got us anywhere.perhaps it bodes well to figure out how pakistan fits in as an economy that generates wealth.
@hashpuppy101: American 'bubble' is 'real'? Whoa! contradictory words in the same sentence.. The bubble burst in 2008.. I've been to the US and I've seen GHOST towns with all the housing fore-closures and what not.. Detroit is 3hrs drive from me. So dont tel me what is real and what is not. The crap 'is' about the hit the ceiling if the Americans dont tidy up their fiscal policies..
...eachother thru the kashmir prism.that tends to rob all of us off the goodness we all are capable off man.Ive been meaning to come over t pakistan for eons now.From what....my 9th grade....im nearing 30 now and I cant come over?this is insane.I love your people man.and ive got loads of friends there.But I just am not able to go there!thaz horrible.We need to talk much bigger.think much bigger.kashmir is a complication that will be solved.but we cant hold our entire relationship...
@hashpuppy101: Strange., why aren't you able to visit Pakistan? 5000 to 7000 Sikhs come every year for Sikh festivals.. other Indians do too. Dodging all of my comments was a neat trick. It didnt distract me though.. Obviously you have no answer to India's brutal crackdown on Kashmiris whenever they rise up against occupation of their land
...hostage to this!its stupid!there is so much trade we can do together. Ive got an economy that is booming at 9 % and it will continue to do so for the next 25 years!thazt 8 trillion dollars of business added over in the next 25 years alone.And there is a huge demand supply mismatch.Which means opportunities for all neighboring nations.this is out century!this is our time!we need to get over the pettiness and the bitterness and let our generation take over!
@hashpuppy101: maybe true but its not about ancient ideologies. Its abt righting historical wrongs to create trust. Where there is no trust, nothing else works
@faris710:You know,I can sight numerous sources where it is abundantly clear that there was a huge influx of Bangladeshis into our country during the war.Thousands of women were allegedly raped by 'some' of your soldiers and India was in some way forced into the war.Im not saying that we are angels here.We too have sinned.Im barely suggesting that all Pakistan has done is to betray us but that said,Im certain that India has no intentions to destabilize pakistan.
@hashpuppy101: What your sources may NOT tell you is that, Pakistan Army had virtually exterminated the Bengali insurgents by mid-May that year & that is why the United Nations asked India to post UN monitoring teams on border crossings so that the displaced people could go back to East Pak.. However India refused.. because unknown to the UN and Pakistan, Indians had begun full-fledge recruitment n training of Mukti Bahini by that time & letting the people go back would be an own-goal
@faris710 :but if you choose to go there, I must warn you, there is no point.We'l all be frustrated about it and there will be no inch to move to.And this is what has happened at our govtt. levels. We must be interested in solviong kashmir.Not pointing fingers.we will solve it.But can you guarantee that there will be no single attack from lunie jihadis from pakistan.Will ur govt. once again say these were"non state" actors and hence they cannot do much about it?no point faris.we need solutions.
@mystz1 :haha....arundati roy writes really bad books.only pakistan will give her so much importance. trust me, no one in the world cares for that pompous bitch. and this is besides what you have to say. Im open to having a dialogue on where india must do better vis-a-vis pakistan.but provided you leave arundathi roy out of this. please!:)
@hashpuppy101: Sure, any Indian that criticizes India is a 'joke' no matter what academic credentials they have or how well respected they are in the wider world.. I see how it goes for you.. I guess, the same must be true for Mr H. M. Seervai whose book 'Partition of India: Legend and Reality' shattered the miserable saga of partition that Indians are taught in their schools long before Jaswant Singh said the same thing.
Have you read her books.Read it,and then come back to me.I was in splits as to how pompous she is and I picked up her book - God of Small Things like eons ago man.Here's my underlying point.Lets solve the Kashmir issue as per the broad principles of Mush.We are committed towards that.But anti India elements in your country has to be alienated and booked.You know its not right to kill innocents.I hate it when I wake up and see 80,100,200 people died in Pak today.It makes me feel gutted man.
@hashpuppy101: I dont see anti-Pakistan elements being alienated in India.. The one guy who wants peace with Pakistan, Manmohan, is riding that horse all by himself. The RSS, Shiv Sena and their extremist lot burn Pakistan flags, harass Pakistani celebrities visiting India, etc & yet the all-powerful Indian state is helpless against them.. To clap, you need two hands.. If you value Nehru in any regard, his words must be implemented by India.. Free & fair plebiscite to let Kashmiris decide
No,people that criticize in India are actually welcome here.The media that you watch here on youtube only shows you what you want.Wanna know what we need in India?1.Socialistic past.2.The hangover of the raj.3.Stronger judiciary.4.Robust labor laws.5.Competitive sea ports.6.Stronger minority protection.7.Not free schooling,but free loans for schooling.8.Robust healthcare delivery.9.A mightier imagination for slum rehabilitation. and much more.Im not sensitive about my weaknesses.
But one needs to play a constructive role in reinventing a huge country.Arundhathi Roy lacks that teeth.It takes no talent to identify problems here as there is no shortage of problems.We are limited only by our imagination and my problem is right there.When the brits invaded our country,they robbed our wealth but I would have settled for even illegal occupation now looking back.But what we handed out to them on their way out is much more than that.We handed out our imagination.
we handed out our right to build new things.to think big.To create glorious futures for our kids.We stopped erecting the huge structures we were once famous for.we stopped thinking technology and scientific revolution.We instead went on to this huge and cumbersome process of protectionism and committed blunders after blunders,plundering our imagination even further.Its only in the last 20 years that we are making a comeback.And we are making a strong one.And we wish you all the success too.
this was an article in the May 1993 issue (pages 46-47) of Airforces Monthly, a reputable UK-based air defence magazine, written by a Russian aviation writer, Sergey Vekhov, for the first time in public, provided a first-hand account about the PAFs pilots
As an air defence analyst, I am fully aware that the Pakistan Air Force ranks today as one of the best air forces in the world and that the PAF Combat Commanders School (CCS) in Sargodha has been ranked as the best GCI/pilot and fighter tactics and weapons school in the world. As one senior US defence analyst commented to me in 1992, It leaves Topgun (the US Naval Air Station in Miramar, California) far behind.
Article in the May 1993 issue (pages 46-47 by Sergey Vekhov
to hell wid ur stories of hindu fascists conspiracy..Hindu majority trying to keep itdelf alyv n kicking..u noe wat faris u have a damn gud imaginative brain **KYD**.dont miss uz it..n btw ur bloody country is ISLAMIC ours is SECULAR n RUNNING not begging for sum money frm IMF. wat a group of imaginative egoistic seft-obsessed reluctant to accept factual truth kinda ppl...fis a big thumbs down
Stick to the topic kid. Babri Mosque wasn't demolished by 'secular' Indians, nor were thousands of Muslims, Sikhs, Christians slaughtered by 'secular' Indian while the police & others stood by and watched. It was Brahmo/Hindutva Fascists. Go to BBC website & search for their special report on HINDU TERRORISM. The world is slowly waking up to this hate-ideology of Nazi inspired thugs perpetrated by RSS/VHP/BajrangDal/AbhinavBharat/ShivSena/SanghParivar, etc. These are the true scum
Do you even know u're just making a clown out of yourself here? Comparing two different time frames in history is the utmost distorted & idiotic way to whine.. Babri Mosque was destroyed in 1992 DEMOCRATIC India in the 'modern period' of world history; Auranzeb's rule was in the 'medieval period'.
Btw, there is NO conclusive evidence of the existence of a RAM temple at the site anyways; here's some education for u:
"Do you even know u're just making a clown out of yourself here?" - and what are you doing? Responding to a clown and proving that you are a bigger clown?
Anyways, the foundation of the mosque represents that of temples with a courtyard and a grabha-griha. It was confirmed by the Archaeological Survey of India. Now I know you will say that ASI is infiltrated by Radical Hindus. Problem is that you people are intolerant by nature, so talking to you makes no sense.
Sure! U said it & we believed it. Still no evidence from u. I guess thats how it works in India; jst whine & whine over a lie until the other party gets fed up n accepts the lie as truth -> one of many teachings of the fascist Golwalkar. Those who demolished Babri Mosque, killed thousands Sikhs, Muslims, Christians every year are now going to lecture others on tolerance & intolerance. Jst amazingly rich!
Yeah, repeatedly asking for evidence and seeking excuses has been the hallmark of Pakistan. Even now, when CIA, British Intelligence said that Mumbai Attacks were planned in Pakistan by Pakistanis, and even the British PM gordon Brown said that 75% of all terror activities lead back tp Pakistan, Pakistan keeps harping that they need evidence.
As stated earlier, if you have 'irrefutable' evidence; PRESENT it. Dont blame your shortcomings on others. U're the one tryin to find excuses by dragging in all sorts of different topics to avoid presenting the evidence u've been asked for.
There are ways in which countries deal with one another. India has NOT handed over any solid evidence over to Pakistan so dont expect anything frm Pakistan either. Denial is an art perfected by Indians along with the other one of 'projection-accusations'.
What do you mean by SOLID evidence? Kasab is in Indian custody. That is evidence enough. Not only that, even the grandes used by them had pakistani ordnance stamps (not postage stamps - hope you understand).
Its NOT that we are not sharing evidence; it's just that even after YOU Pakis got evidence from US and British intelligence, you guys keep saying "Give us evidence!" You guys are a bunch of retarded imbeciles who need to be chained and caned! Dog like treatment for the dogs that you are.
Where's the evidence of Pakistani Ordnance stamps? A few sensational reports on Indian media and you accepted it at face-value. They said it, u believed it. They said the same things after Samjhota Express & Malegaon blasts as well.
Now dont whine. India has not shared any evidence with Pakistan as confirmed by U.S. State Dept. Int'l Relations dont work according to Indian kid imaginations. They have rules, procedures that have to be followed. India will not get anythng out of its propaganda
@faris710:Faris,first,I dont wanna start a stupid fight here.Its such an easy thing to do.So,if you are with me on this, we can have a healthy chat man.But here are some views,India and U.S. specific terrorism in Pakistan is not a farce.its real my friend.I guess we all know that.We will have solved Kashmir and our P.M was sincere about this as was President Mush.This is in his own words.The Mumbai attacks were planned in Pakistan and this is true as well man.No hog wash that.
@hashpuppy101: Indian sincerity became piece of garbage the day India made a U-turn on Nehru's promise to the Kashmiris of a free & fair plebiscite to assess their desires of how they wanted to live.. If the Mumbai attacks were planned in Pakistan.. the Samjhota Express bombing by Hindu terrorists in India that killed countless innocent Pakistanis were planned & executed with impunity on Indian soil.
First..Nehru was a cunt and fucked my country beyond repair in certain areas.So much so,that 60 years on,we are still fighting over kashmir.But that India is gone.Today's India is completely a different story.Tell me this,inspite of having 800 million hindus in this country,why dint the supreme court allow the hindu terrorists to proceed with building the ram temple?Young India wants to move on.Now is the time to cash in.We need positive leaders with a vision.Not silly fucks with bullets.
@hashpuppy101: I would say those who came after Nehru were the real c**ts.. or those who swung India behind Israel instead of helpless Palestinians.. If India had done what Nehru said regarding Kashmir, today would be a different era of Indo-Pak relations. 800million Hindus cannot produce a Supreme Court stamped Ram Temple based on myths & legends.. if the Supreme Court cannot bring Narendra Modi to justice over Gujarat, am not sure if it can do anything else.
@faris710 :I missed this post of yours.And feel pretty tempted to tell you that there is no proof behind the existence of the holy prophet either.What's myth to you is real to me.Im not sure if your observation is in good spirit at all. Secondly,ofcourse it was possible to deny the muslims the right to build a mosque.In a country where there are 800 million hindus,it is easy.But the beauty of my country is in its plurality.All these are qualities that no other country in the world has.
@hashpuppy101: *yawn* there are LETTERS written by the Prophet of Islam in Museums.. stamped by his KNOWN 'seal' like any ruler did in ancient times.. That is very much tangible proof of HIS existence than some bridge that was supposedly built by an army of monkeys.. So spare us ur delusional defense. Plurality? in India? Sure! Babri Mosque is torn down in the middle of the day in front of the police by sword wielding terrorist Hindus of Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena, RSS.. plurality.. sure!
@faris710 :haha...please have me know that the prophet's biggest accomplishment is more than the ability to pass on demented lil hate letters across generations. Assuming these letters are valid, it proves very lil about the prophet's "magical"abilities. lol. piss off man. you're nothing but a hardcore tucked inside a rather shallow shell of a liberal peace seeker.and dun even get me started on the nature of your country's tactics.I thought Ill give conv. a shot.but boy, am i a fool!
@hashpuppy101: Bigoted minds cannot be made to think logically. Prophet of Islam had no magical abilities, he was a poor man, rose through the ranks of society based on his honest dealings in trade.. Even after becoming the leader of all Muslims, used to sleep on a simple mat on the floor. You are indeed a fool if you think that u actually know more than the thousands of scholars & archaeologists who have worked for hundreds of years to sift through sand n history to find irrefutable evidence
@faris710 :basically, in my country,ive had a boom of minority population but I find no need to defend my secularism nor justify it. I think my fabric is more diverse as opposed to autocratic, religion based nations which btw includes yous too.But i din wanna get into any of these conversations as I believe it hijacks dialog.But you left me with no choice clearly.
@hashpuppy101: Sure! According to numerous surveys, the worst plight of Indians is that of Muslims, even worse than Dalits. I guess the secularism and pluralism in India stops where the slum dwellers of non-Brahman caste start to be counted. Pakistan was never based on religion otherwise it would be like Iran or Saudi Arabia.. For all ur claimed intellect, it is thoroughly pathetic that u cant even distinguish b/w a theocratic state and one based on a political distinction of a 'Muslim-majority'
@faris710 :Faris,to reduce the secular fabric of India to rubbles based on exceptions is not just or fair.Its like calling every muslim a terrorist.I stand up,being hindu.I stand up for my pakistani friends when we travel together if someone behaves in a prejudiced fashion.As a muslim,Id expect you to understand the pain of injustice and look forward to seeing you put an end to it.As opposed to accusing some 800 million people of fascism ma man.That doesnt quiet fly.
@hashpuppy101: Nothing in my earlier comment lumped all Hindus together.. What was implied was, the terrorist lot of Hindus must be held accountable for killing innocent Pakistanis with just as much passion as shown by India when demanding action from Pakistan over Mumbai attacks.. The terrorists of Shiv Sena, RSS, Bajrang Dal roam free after their acts of barbarity & they have much political backing as well
The Pakis need to open their eyes and realise that the oil rich Saudis are funding them, not for building schools and hospitals but to train terrorists in their madrasas.
The fact that these damned Pakis are thumbing-down our comments proves that they are believers in a radical and evil ideology.
Its ppl's right to use 'thumb downs' here on youtube; this is NOT India, where 'democracy' is only good so far as it works to fulfil the aims of the Hindu majority while trampling upon the rights of minorities.
Its quite rich for an Indian to be telling Pakistanis to open their eyes. Your army, intelligence, bureaucracy, political apparatus, etc have all been infiltrated by Hindutva-fascists who preach hatred & killing of non-Hindus to keep Hindu dominance alive n kicking..
now as captured terrorist kasab father is admitting in pakistan that kasab is his son, the pakis conspiracy theory has again been exposed. Also, their media propoganda that we have not done this, these terrorist dont look like Pakistani etc. shame on pakistani public of watching their shit media news..
Only ONE question for lil Indian kids like yourself: why IF Pakistani media is lying, & Pakistanis r lying & India is soo truthful - then WHY is India not handing over evidence to Pakistan so that those responsible can be put on trial? What exactly is there to hide! Quit the double-play & come clean then
If you take the so-called father acknowledging his son story at face-value, then you must also accept that the entire Indian Navy + Coast Guard are so inept & incompetent, they could not counter 10 fugitives. You still have to deal with the fact that ALL the attackers were wearing Hinduism's Saffron bands on their wrists, were carrying MP-6 carbine guns [an Indian Army issue], drank alcohol at Cafe Leopold before going on their killing spree, Karkare's wife refused compensation from BJP, etc!
oh yea by the way how u said that the weapons the terrorist used were indian made mp-6 carbines first off u have made unclear that what gun that is and another if those were indian guns then how do explain the greneades that had pakistan ordinance in wah stamp on them that were found oh yes this is another lie since india wont give evidence right and that not why the world is putting pressure on pakistan but hey just a thought
More gibberish without presenting evidence. Lets see some usual Indian media propaganda showing 'grenades stamped with any Pakistani stampage'. Those guns ARE MP-6 carbines; google an 'idiots guide to guns' & have at it kiddo
India has NOT given Pakistan any evidence & so you can whine all you want. No one will be put on trial for anything.
@faris710:If osama bin laden cannot be nabbed close to 100 kms from Islamabad in your country,How do you expect a navy to nab 10 mad cunts who are ready to blow themselves up?Im not name calling your army and I suggest neither do you.
hey faris ur own LeT was banned by UNSC and also ur own trusted friend who is always against INDIA, the very own china has not made any attempt 2 block the ban since all the nations have seen the evidence and accepted let involvement in the attack, u people r saying u r the real muslim- do u know that that imams in mumbai refused to bury killed terrorists since they r not muslims -- islam preaches non violence like all other religion, ALLAH WILL PUNISH THE TERRORISTS
If u dont know, China & Russia have a tradition of not-interferring with other's internal affairs unlike U.S and India. NO ONE here is defending LeT or whoever kills innocent ppl. We are only denouncing false Indian propaganda.
alright you guys are idiots, the whole world has accepted pakistan's role in it, keep talking what you want, and cling to the conspiracy theories, Pak has chosen the path to be declared a terror state, no country will give it aid, and it is gonna starve and tear itself apart. we'll build our fence, buy the popcorn and enjoy the show! haha
the 'whole' world? Which world? You mean Brahmo-Hindutva Fascist world of ur local shaka network? Just google up today's NewYork Times report that cites U.S. Intelligence officials confirming that there is NO evidence of ISI involvement or anything. So, get a life, get some education, quite whining & spare us ur ignorance..
Indian media? Probably owned by Western illuminati. This pakistan scapegoating has got to stop. It is no secret the ISI is the prostitute of MOSSAD and CIA.
its applausable simply da way u react to truth i must update u this u'll love it pak govt is cracking down on the LeT camps & has arrested the chief of let as well y? ask urself its coz dey noe dat wid the indian air force's expertiz n wid full US backing n israel support...pak will b nethng but spared if dey dont act...its lyk u kyll dem or we kyll dem..but ur soo called jihadis shall die...ne how wats more...US is planning to sent the names of some ISI frmer chiefs to get UN sanctions....
call it crackdown or any other term that may please you; here, big politics is at play much beyond ur understanding. Today's operation on a supposed LeT camp was to diffuse tensions with India on the part of Pakistan with the other intention of Pakistan being the improvement of Congress govt's image in India which had suffured after Mumbai attacks. This way Pakistan trumps BJP-HindutvaFascist nexus from gaining more popularity in the upcoming elections by keepin the 'moderates' in power in India
Well pakistan has not accepted that they destroyed LeT camps coz of Indian and US Pressure,so no relief to congress govt.We already have mixed results in 5 States election so there is a doubt if mumbai attacks are affecting election results. Zardari has to do it because of Indian pressure just he cant accept it,coz it will make people like you feel bad and military can capture power again as it was done in musharafs time.You have two center of power in ur country.I like ur imagination anyways.
Btw I am looking at an explosion in Karachi and a possibly attack on Zardari escaping narrowly. LeT is not going to spare you if they are true jihadis
Haaha! More ridiculous whining. LeT was formed with the intent of liberating Kashmir, not killing Pakistanis out of vengeance. Even after 2002, when Pakistan officially blacklisted them & arrested many of its footsoldiers, LeT did not attack Pakistanis. Your knowledge is devoid of factual realities, only mere hypothetic assumptions that do not amount to much at all
Yes, they havent 'destroyed' the camp. Only taken over it. Whether u like it or not, Pakistan's action on LeT camp improves Congress' image after being tainted when the Mumbai attacks happened. Indian public wud feel Congress is having success while the BJP & its sister organization RSS/VHP rhetoric would not hit the right notes as it did right after Mumbai attacks occurred. ISI's political wing was disbanded more than a week ago while the military has thrown its weight behind Zardari..
dude...if india cums down to fight.....india cn destroy pak in an hour's tym..evn b4 u get up frm bed...ur country will b in tatters...n as for ruling india...lemme remind u dat in 1971 or 1962 war...our army conquered lahore n karachi..n if it were'nt for r bloody peace lovin Pm dere wud not havebeen ne independent entity as pak...n plz mothrfucker piece of shit ....dont insult english by using it...evn it gets ashamed upon u using it!!!pkaistani lions.....bullshit...utter non-sence
pakistani media litraly destroy the indian media false propaganda........ indians are like a crawlig snail .... they r now regreting whome they challenge..... they challenge the lion caled pakistan..... we will conqure india again and will teach them the real respect of humanity ...AS we showed before when we ruled 1000 years on india and all communities accross the india was happy at that time... hindus r coward they cant fight themselves thats why they r working with israel and USA....
i am an indian...and a hindu but i think its totally dumb and stupid of india and especially our indian media to rather openly blame pakistan without even having any proof...this is pure dumbness and fuels the anger that pakistanis already have for indians (read hindus)...
Thanks for your sensible comment. Pakistanis dont necessarily have 'anger' towards an avg Hindu but only towards organizations such as VHP, RSS, BajrangDal, etc.
It's their intelligence failure, they are putting blame on Pakistanis. Their agencies are useless, and a total wreck for themselves. The ISI is a renowned effective, effectual and the most powerful agency in the world. All agencies even CIA acknowledges that. ISI rules! Keep on envying what you could never have, failures.
and also u being an idiot is being proven u get ur fucken info on blogs and hindu forums thats great great info ur getting i mean hey thats like me saying somethin on this and u believing it so whose the real naive little paki kid o wait in ur terms get out of denial kiddo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Little kid, when I talked abt forums, I was pointing out how Hindu extremists were celebrating as soon as Hemant Karkaray & other senior officers were killed. If Hindus/Indians were truly sad abt what happened in Mumbai, I dont see why they would be rejoicing in private while blaming Pakistan in public. U've cocooned yourself in ur lil denial world & here u exhibit the true Indian style; dont acknowledge ur faults but launch attacks on others for their's. Tsk Tsk
who told u hindus were celebrating..evn got damn party has condemed dis attack on indian sovereignity...hey misster LIL KIDDD if u r styll in ur mummy's arms indians cant help it go suck ur thumb as a matter of fact .ur jihadi kasav has confessed to d pka link...ur lEt operated has said he did d mumbai recce..d gps maps lead 2 karachi d telle calls lead 2 lEt no.s every fukcing evidence is of ISI grwn n spnsrd LeT so accept it lyk it or not n ya id a war does happn..pak is history a BAD history
NO ONE has to tell. A simple google search & visit to zealous-Hindu forums will reveal the truth. Ur terrorist u was caught was wearing the HINDU 'saffron band' on his wrist; spoke in Marathi & has been tortured so much under investigation by Indian police to say he was trained by Lashkar-e-Tayyaba. The SAT-phone shown by Indian media showed numbers from Jalalabad, Afghanistan.. NOT Pakistan. Go wash ur face first kid, then talk abt 'history'!
faris ur a fucken idiot state department said pakistan not resposible prove it shut all the indian kids up post the link in ur next gay resposne prove us indians ur so jealous of wrong go ahead and last time i went on bbc i saw condiliza rice in india pressuring pakistan but u kno wut go post it
No one will take responsibility for your lazyness to do some research on your own. It was a U.S. State Department press release, not hard to find unless you dont know how to search on the internet, thats a different story
This was an attack organized by Hindutva Fascists & later to 'plant' Pakistani evidence so as to drag Pakistan in the case.
Hindutva Fascists have long hated Hemant Karkarey for his actions against HINDU TERRORISTS & even if you do a little search on google for Hindu chat-forums, you will see how they r all distributing sweets on the death of Karkarey. RSS/VHP/BajrangDal/BJP/ShivSena/SanghParivar are to blame
raji u fucken idiot they carry there ids so that if they are intercepted by the dirty pakis that they can prove they are paaki its common sense and they will let them continue and fine we say if its not pakistan who is it then where did they come from tell us plz tell us
No Pakistani is allowed by P.N. to go out of Pakistan's Territorial Waters & here u're ranting over a bunch of I.D cards that can be forged by anyone.
It is nothing new for Indians to kill non-Pakitsanis & then 'plant' Pakistani I.Ds on them. This tactic has long been used by Indian forces in Kashmir; they kill innocent Kashmiris, then plant Pakistani I.Ds & money on them. Lets not forget how an entire Indian Army regiment 'faked' an encounter with Pak soldiers in J&K to win gallantry medals
It is sooo funny How the indian media is controlling its country people and making them believe in a shit without any proof... they r going ahead ov the govt...First they said tht pakistan is involved and their govt denied...then again yesterday they said tht indian team is not visiting pakistan and the next hour the govt denied...
don't u think... do u have brain in your nutshell... pakistani are not supporter of LeT.. if you give all the rights to kashmarees what they want form indian govt., other parts of your country no one try attack in india... they are kashmiri, sikhs, nagaland, asaam & other peoples around you.. and they are not satisfied your govt. policies .. think about it... fight for your citizen right it will helps your country grow
these are all planted and manufactured evidences. jus thinks about it... any terrorist who is goint to attack at any place anywhere in the world and he carries his all documents with him.. if he well planned, why he contact to anywhere elese... like we saw on television they know what they want. it sound so crazy that they travel 500 nautical miles and no one entercept them and know where they attack.. if you are in karachi how you know where you want to go without any local support.
"Without evidence or any official facts" - you must be living in another planet. All the evidence goes back to LeT which your government turns a blind eye to and which your ISI funds, supports and allows the indoctrination to continue to wreck terrorist attacks against India.
The world is not fooled. If Pakistan is sincere, then let's see them act against LeT and their handlers. Let's see them hand over the 20 most wanted terrorists that India provided with evidence 7 years back.
Where's the evidence? Apart from Indian media's bollywood/sensational stories; where is it? Why hasn't India handed over evidence to Pakistan if it wants Pakistan to take action? Try bullshytting someone else kid.
Yes, the world is 'really' not fooled this time by Indian dramas of victimization. The U.S. State Dept released a statement to BBC yesterday saying 'clearly' that there is NO evidence to suggest Pakistani involvement. Try reading non-Indian news for a change kiddo
this is totaly inside indian problem.. they kills himent karkarey after 1or2 hours of mumbai attacks & other police officer who investigate against indian army officer. i thinks the beneficiary of this attack is only india becuse through this attack they try to blame pakistan, they try to save their army, effect on indian elections & hide indian extremist hindu groups who kills muslims, christians & other nations.
dude worry bout ur own disgracefull country not our we hav our backbone still u guys our known as terrorist or americas bitch so fix those problems first and all these videos are waisting ur time while u can be disarming another terrorist prob ur cuz from creating a worse name for yourselves no one respects u guys they all just laugh at u so plz stop talking shit to india we are the stronger smarter and hotter and the day we do the things u guys do to us then see where ur cuntry will becocksuckr
Yes what a backbone it must be; 16 so-called militants came and held the entire city of Mumbai under seige for over 60hrs while also killing top Indian cops. AMAZING backbone!
I guess Pakistan should just send 500 highschool kids with AKs to India & they will conquer it..
Kiddo, try to walk the walk; instead of jst talking the talk - a hollow Indian approach as usual
wow and u call me a an idiot thats in denial how man hundreds of sikhs hindus and muslims died and u talk about all those things happening in india wuts the hindu sikh and christian population and another thing if u were a white kid from a america u have more rite to criticize india ur fuckin muslim paki whose country is runned by terrorist and gangster who cant even feed its people and ur talking shit about india pakis cant digest and never will that we did better without u than u did withoutus
Ok.lets be clear about this.The british have won all battles against us.They have succeeded in keeping us seperate.As apples and oranges.As good and bad (in our eyes).As traitors and god's favorite children.As Indians and Pakistanis,We have surrendered our right to a better future the moment we played into their hands.Today,we cant stand the sight of eachother because we are highly emotional,foolish and hell even stupid.Shame on indians here to belittle that country and shame on Pakistanis too!
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Agreed.
faris710 9 months ago
its very sad......i think its was RAW....indian secret service
MrDonn786 1 year ago
There is undeinable proof that the ISI provided support to Lakshar for the Mumbai attacks.
Both Scotland Yard and the FBI have come to this conclusion.
Yet you pakistani's seem to live in a delusion that there was no Pakistani involvement and that these attacks were carried out by extremist Hindu groups.
The VHP and RSS are radical fanatics, but the idea that they orchestrated the killings of 30 Westerners + 100 other indians just to kill Karkare is nonsense.
Wake up from your fantasy
markzwarriors 2 years ago
Please post links to Scotland Yard & FBI statements that talk about ISI's involvement.. Simply allotting statements to others doesn't make for a convincing case.. Lashkar's involvement in 26/11 was independent of any help from the Pakistani state.. The sooner ignorant Indians can come to terms with that reality, the better.. RSS/VHP are part of the Indian social fabric whom Karkare was pursuing in Samjhota Express and Malegaon blasts
faris710 2 years ago
pakistan is already engaged in combating terrorism within country and our all agencies are busy in locating terorist and your indian media along with westren media is still against pakistan,you should solve your own problems,control manipur,naxalites and so many other seperate forces but u indians have seen pak as a soft target,we are soverign country and we know our responsibilities,and zoonist hindus and westrens will never succeed inshallah.
mrassassin133 2 years ago
@mrassassin133 :fair enough.We all must feel horrible about innocent people dying anywhere in the world and Pakistan too.But in the verge, there also vests enormous responsibility on your shoulders as a Pakistani to do some soul searching and this is quiet different from sighting propaganda theories. What are top terrorists doing inside your country?how dare do they disrespect you or your people or your religion or your govt. or your army by pitching tent there?Peace!
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Terrorists hide, evade a state's security apparatus by moving from place to place.. To twist that on its head n say that being unable to catch someone means being complicit in their activities is quite the stretch of the imagination
faris710 9 months ago
I think I can relate to where your'e coming from.It would have been a stretch if this bin laden was captured in the border with Afghanisthan Faris.But a few hundred metres away from you army apparatus does not seem as far fledged an imagination to me.You see,if youre not complicit in the crime,then you are making an even more scary statement my friend.Look,Im not a pak basher.Ive got great friends there.I know where youre coming from.But the clock is ticking my man.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Thats the same mentality as that of the conspiracy theorists who say Pearl Harbor was America's false-flag against Japan... How could those mighty Americans be caught napping against such a massive squadron of Japanese bomber aircraft eh? Or better yet, using the logic of your comment, how dare those Americans tell us that the twin towers came crashing down with just a jet crashing in each of 'em..? hmm.. Conspiracy theories are just what their name denotes.
faris710 9 months ago
many sepretists organizations are active in india then why they always inovle pakistan in any terrosris attacks?
qambrani007 2 years ago
@qambrani007 :Terrorists organizations are active in India.But the ones most threatening are all india centric and not world centric.There is a remarkable difference.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@qambrani007 :first,lets discriminate between terrorism and seperatism.Theyre not the same.And I agree they involve some forces from your country. But the point Im making is that these are India centric.We are targets.Not the U.S. or the R.O.W. my friend.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: In reality though, the Indian govt would beg to differ from you. According to the Indian establishment, anything that goes wrong in India is the work of ISI.. Separatism is healthy & well in most of India but the Indian army would have us believe they're all terrorists; the Maoists/Naxalites, fellaz in Manipur, ofcourse Kashmiris top that list all the while terrorists of Shiv Senaks & RSS continue to consolidate their strengths.. Lastly, please stop respondin to YEAR old comments
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :i think youre picking up slightly different points here.Interesting enough though:).First,the maoists and the naxalites are not separatists.They are fighting for what they believe to be their rights.They have certain land grabbing issues that they are revolting against and rightly so (although I have a slightly different perspective here). And they might have a few valid observations they are making.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@faris710:Secondly,the shiv senaks are by far the most insignificant movement in India.What you see online here is only an exxageration.Let me put it this way,those bastards control mumbai alone.India is far bigger than that.Since mumbai is both the cultural and the financial capital of the region,people outside of India tend to get the impression that they are rampant.The truth is,no one cares and they will vote those fucks out.MNS has not been in power in ages even in mumbai.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
I LIKE 99.99% OF INDIANS hate the fact that my muslim brothers were victims of terrorism.To us,people that kill are terrorists.kaput.Be assured,We will crush out the R.S.S in the next 10 years.The govt. and the majority of hindus know they are radical.But india has a slightly different approach when it comes to crushing out a movement.We let them die naturally as we know force does not work beyond a certain point.Any publicity for R.S.S. only makes them more relevant.THE FACT IS THAT THEY AIN!
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Clearly WHICH world are you living in?? Dont believe in use of force? Atleast a hundred innocent & unarmed Kashmiris were shot dead by Indian security forces in J&K summer 2008 & act was repeated summer 2009 & 2010.. Am sure perhaps ONE Indian channel must've shown the popular uprising... the protests by hundreds of thousands marching up n down the valley.. I didnt see any Indians complaining about their democracy's actions towards just voices of dissent.. 500k troops in J&K man!
faris710 9 months ago
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indiamurdabad 3 years ago
indians chronic disease....every one knows about it....YES ITS BLAME GAME.....india always has beeen and very irresponsible and pathetic neighbour.....
awaab02 3 years ago 2
@awaab02:On the contrary,India has been the most responsible that any nation has been under circumstances.For instance, not once has water been blocked as opposed to zaid hamid's claims. Not once has there been an invasion by india. Not once has india started a war with you guys man.However, what we did do is to participate in the partition of pakistan without a doubt.and this is well after the bengalis complained. you need to substantiate every thing you say with data from neutral sources.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: *yawn* even though Zaid Hamid is a nutjob, fact is India keeps building new dams on rivers allocated to Pakistan & then come the apologists about how the 'water is not being stopped'.. And as for 'not once has India started war with you guys'.. please read some history books other than those written by Indians.. 1971 war was started by India flat out.. Neutral sources agree that Indian army had already entered East Pak much before West Pak launched airstrikes in the West.
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :ok....thats not accurate.India never touched water.Not till date and not in your worst nightmare will my country ever do that because the govt. here will get screwed.Dont forget, we have a huge agrarian community here and we understand how important water is to the region. Having said that, it bodes well to bring up the ellaborate dams that have been built by the chinese.India's cultural heritage to a certain extent is shaped by these great rivers.But we engage the chinese....
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Contrary to that, the upstream dams being constructed on ALL the three rivers allotted to Pakistan under Indus Treaty speak volumes of what Indian intentions may well be.. If nothing else, such actions only make it harder to find common ground with Pakistan because they deepen the distrust.. Not to forget there's enough hardliners in India who would love to tear up the Indus Treaty if they could & stop Pakistan's water supplies.
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :faris....I agree. India has erred.No doubt. But are you saying we cant move on at this rate my friend? We need a solution that works well NIOW AND FOR THE FUTURE!When I mean ancient, I was referring to the hatred that has been sowed between the two countries.And not as far back as the beginning of the previous milennia.That thought process of anti india, anti pakistan, hum ghaas khayengey is fucked up!we need a better imagination.We need peace.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Peace is not built on utopian visions of its occurence.. states and its leaders have to take actions that demand courage and sacrifice.. Anwar Saadat of Egypt laid down his life to achieve peace with Israel.. perhaps South Asia can cough up a leader of such courage and determination.
faris710 9 months ago
the pundit displacement happened much earlier. It started in the 80s. its not as recent as you think.The plebicide was promised by India a long time ago. I agree. We need to move on.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
This is why it makes sense for all of us to compromise and put the interest of the kashmiri for whom we've all been fighting this stupid war.We cant go on. Financially, india can afford to keep a war goin with pakistan.But Im not sure if pakistan can go on. The very fact that the government is trying to solve the issue and almost reached a solution with musharaff shows its sincerity.We cannot go on like this!we know this!We cant fight for kashmir if we dont love the kashmiri.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: The difference being that Pakistani public sentiment is very strongly tied to the plight of the Kashmiris, the people.. Whereas for India, its about holding on to the land.. the people in it matter little.. And there's no point denying this, I have had discussion and arguments with hundreds of Indians. They all have the same thing to say; 'u want Kashmiris, we'll send 'em, but we keep the land'.
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 : I can sympathize with their sentiments.Which is why I think its all the more important for us to solve the problem.And the only way to get there is to quickly strike the iron when it shot.We missed one opportunity ( and this im afraid came from your side) when musharaff and manmohan almost inked the deal. We now need to quickly get there and solve it faris.Lets move on yaar.Too man people have died.Not worth it.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: I'm all up for moving on.. lets see when that happens.
faris710 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101 :ok...im handling one question at a time.not dodging any of your questions at all.Im here to discuss everything you can throw at me.Wanna talk about human rights and the past?that will only open up a whole buncha cans that'l have so many worms coming out that I dun wanna go there.So basically,what youre saying is that it is alright for china to forcefully claim a territory because they arent a democracy and not ok for india to do so.So,by that measure,it wd be ok for pak to fund..
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: its NOT ok for China to forcefully take over territory.. what was implied was, its ludicrous to compare apples to oranges. If you had brough the conduct of the United States in world affairs as your defence against Indian actions in J&K that would've been better.. China is on a different scale. Just like u now criticize Pak by sayin it funds terrorists but why did India fund Mukti Bahini & then later LTTE? Surely a democracy such as India has better standards? No?
faris710 9 months ago
all clandestine activity against india but not democratic enough for india to do so and hence she shall not?what do you think?we're gonna sit here and watch your army personnel cause havoc?nehru's promise about the plebicide would have gone thru had your people not flushed out the kashmiri pundits and altered the demographics of the state.we were going to do it until the pundits were flushed out.Now,i din wanna bring all these things up coz there is frankly no point in doing it.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Its ok for you to bring it up.. It just aligns your narrative with the rest of your countrymen.. Everyone is fed the same staple diet of information. I have yet to see any academic proof of Nehru's promise being broken cuz of the pundit situation.. Pundit displacement began in early 90s.. Nehru's promise was made in the 60s; you really expect me to take your argument seriously? For 30yrs Indians were deliberating over fulfilling Nehru's promise or to find an excuse not to do so??
faris710 9 months ago
No where in my response have I claimed india is an angel. Ofcourse not!Im not at all sensitive to my pit falls here!we have erred and lets embrace that.But what we all here today must be concerned with is what is going to happen to the world where our kids will roam.not what happened in the world where my father was just a sperm!
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@faris710 we dont build our nuclear posture and defense posture against the chinese.Because we realize that we need to grow and do all things possible to deepen ties with china on the trade front, on cultural front etc. and of course try to stay well assertive when it comes to national security related issues vis-a-vis china.All Im trying to say is that Pakistan's posture against India needs fundamental imagination which im afraid is not coming thru to me.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Sure! Introducing nuclear weapons to South Asia by conducting 'peaceful' test wasn't a posture of any sorts? Pakistan followed.. Pakistan's posture is reactionary.. Just like India announced 'Cold Start' doctrine to conduct a blitzkreig type assault on Pakistan.. so Pakistan felt compelled to come up with an answer, & it was last month's testing of a battlefield tactical nuclear-capable missile. Remember, sabre-rattling is usually the weakest form of diplomacy that hardly pays.
faris710 9 months ago
FIRST.there is a difference between nuclear arsenal creation and posture.We believe that it is the right of any soverign state to decide if or not they want to have nuclear weapons.The truth is that pakistan occupies very little mindspace here in india as hard as it seems to believe.Our nuclear deterence is more or less in response to the chinese but not aimed at them.Most defence strategists would agree there is a difference between CMD and posture.Pak has an 'India specific' posture.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: No kidding Pak has 'India specific' posture.. the last time they trusted Indians at the behest of the UN (1971).. the Pakistanis were stabbed in the back.. on the back of that deed, came the nuclear testing of 1974... 3yrs is like 3minutes in historical terms.. Perhaps Indian strategists failed to take THAT into account & failed in their calculations since they now have TWO nuclear weapons states to deal with instead of ONE.
faris710 9 months ago
and that is remarkably different from having CMD.besides,had india not adopted that kind of posture,a seat at the UN security council would have become increasingly difficult for a country without WMD.And as we know,WMD is one key part of the mix.Some others having a robust economy,global reach etc.etc. This is a part of the framework.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Wrong assumption. Currently the P5 of the UN usually include one other country in their deliberations over key world affairs (hope the term P5+1 rings a bell).. and that country is Germany.. then comes Japan & then Brazil, none have nukes.. Japan being the historical enemy of China has a pacifist constitution.. Something Gandhi would be proud of & deplore today's Indians to take a leaf out of...
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710:FYI,Japan was not allowed to build up their nukes and neither was germany thanks to uncle sam.She was in war with both and after their crushing defeat,both these countries were completely rebuilt by the U.S.. So, having a nuke was no choice for both these nations.Brazil has no perceived mortal enemy.their history is different.so,its not comparable im afraid.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: And you seriously believe that had Japan and Germany wanted, they couldn't have looked the other way & gone ahead with nuclear weaponry? That would be ludicrous to assume so...
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710:Only they would have risked being bombed again.And once you are ransacked,the images of a bloody past does scare the shit out of one id imagine.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: The humiliation of Germany in WWI didnt stop Hitler.. it only strengthened German resolve.. We'd be idiots to write-off similar post-WWII dynamics.. Today, the Japanese govt is out of sync with public opinion by latching onto US military presence in Okinawa when the ppl want the yanks to pack n leave.
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :yeah....bu in ww2,once germany got its ass whooped by the US,it knew it makes sense to shut up and listen.they did, and today,they have had most of their concerns addressed. i tink not looking the other way has paid off for them.this whole thing of pride and what have you gets people no where.we need to think strategically.and this is really not a subcontinental trait if i may add.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
the japs are well split in the middle about the yanks in okinawa btw.the views are diverse.in an interconnected world, the japs also need to factor in trade.its not as straight forward as the common man's view im afraid.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: You are over-thinking the Okinawa situation.. Japan no longer needs American protection, especially by boots on the ground. Americans already have Guam nearby. Common man or no common man, the yanks have lost any and all legitimate reasons to be sitting in Okinawa. There is no split on Okinawa in Japan in terms of public opinion. Only those kow-towing the American narrative of a Chinese threat to Japan see things differently
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :china has a history of keeping pending issues with nations alive.Sun Tzu's overhang.lets not forget,they do have pending issues with japan.The U.S being the only super power will defend its interests to its teeth.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: U.S is steadily become a ghost superpower.. On the verge of default, it can only do so much to rattle China which holds 2/3rds of all American debt in its pockets
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :haha....in your dreams.the chineese have severe burdens quietly tucked away in their balance sheets. 2 trillion dollars of non performing assets and a banking system far worse than the U.S.' literally sets off 2 trillion dollars of national currency reserves.the U.S. is clearly not in good shape with all the borrowings.but holds enormous assets that it can liquidate if push comes to shove.the chineese are excellent in projecting an image.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
And coming back to your question on why Im not visiting pakistan.Its coz people dont want me to.Alot of my pakistani friends say, dude, now is not the best time. Besides,I wanna go deep into the NWFP. I have a fascination for that range.I wanna do karakorrum too.But my Pakistani friends and Indians too ask me not to go right now.I can see now is not the best time too. Im thinking maybe our leaders will find the wisdom behind settling this stupid issue and move on.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
Seondly,the bajrangdal and the RSS enjoy no specific political backing other than the BJP (in certain areas).the powers of these factions are grossly exxagerated.They go after pakistani stars true,but they also target a rakhi sawanth.lol.They are idiots and no one cares.When was the last time that anyone stopped loving paksitani stars because of them.WASIM AKRAM still travels to mumbai without any problem.He trains the KKR.celebs are soft targets man.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
ok...if i reduced an exception to a rule,then all muslims should be called terrorists.that is just insane man.You can allow india's stand on kashmir to be reflective of its over all intentions.China,we know its history in tianmen square,we know how they took over tiber,we know how they control taiwan.Do you think it fair to paint all of chinese policy with the same brush?I dont think so.Pakistan too has no great record to boast off in this space.Basically,we need to stop viewing..
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Then again, China is NOT a democracy.. it doesn't claim to be & doesn't beat its chest aroudn the world about it.. India DOES.. Soo hmm.. lets see... authoritarian govt crackdown against innocent folks vs democracy using same or worse crackdown on innocent folks.. Nor does Pakistan boast abt being a democracy.. it struggles n it struggles.. The fact that even after all that Pakistan's been through, the country still has a democratic govt (despite its drawbacks) is miraculous.
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :China's accomplishments are remarkable.The highest alleviation of poverty recorded in history, incredibly structures, great infrastructure are all feats second to none.But we must also looked at a much deeper picture of China.Nos up rise as this is one culture that built the great wall in 11 years flat.But then,the hall mark of a communist govt. is to project an image of success of policies far more than democracies need to.Communist govts. despise unrests as it severely...
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@faris710:... questions authority.Moscow was and still is among the most well planned and built cities in the world.So,its easy to get swayed by china's success.But what we all see is what she wants us to see.the real truth behind her economy lie in her balance sheet.and this is something that is agreeably so a huge concern for most thinkers across the world.If and when the china bubble bursts,the world is in for a serious down ward spiral and this includes the U.S. too.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Instead of China, we should be more concerned about the American bubble going bust.. $17trillion debt ceiling reached; if Congress doesn't increase the limit, the United States WILL default & take the entire world economy down with it..
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710:America owns phenomenal assets.The Chinese dont on that scale. America can still attract global talent on board and over a period come over that debt. The Chinese dont have that luxury.It bodes well no to compare as america will win by an overwhelming margin.Its ability to create and own design and innovation is unparalleled.You need to do a whole lot more than building 'the factory of the world' to beat the fundamental merits of a free market.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Your love for America is much appreciated and no one here is comparing China to America.. only the cold hard fact that China owns 2/3rd of American debt is being highlighted.. If American's dont stop printing more n more money & dont stop borrowing; the laws of economics take over and whether America or Zimbabwe, the resulting consequences will not bode well for anyone.
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710: The only country capable to ride that storm is America.There is no love (as to opposite to the way most pakistanis hate american policies) that I feel for america. It is mere understanding of her strenghts and weaknesses. I go there atleast thrice a year on work so am fairly acquainted with the ghost towns.Try going to cleveland and youl know where Im coming from.But the bust is nothing new to that country.It will come back.The chinese are in deeper shit coz they have funded 66% of..
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
...of wall street greed and stupidity.The question like I said in my previous scraps is, where does pakistan fit in from an economic sufficiency stand point.The real threat to your country will only begin to surface after this was is over.I hope your policy makers prevail.once this stupid man-eat-man saga is over,I hope your policy makers prevail.What do you think are the bottlenecks that pakistan will face once this war is done?from an economic perspective that is.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Pakistan is already facing the real threat which is nearly $60b worth of economic losses since so-called War on Terror started. Uncle Sam will soon start retreating from Afg starting July 2011 & then the dust will start to settle on yet another doomed American misadventure. Pakistan will then pick up the pieces & rebuild from there on. The entire orgy of 42 wealthy Western states have the same amount of troops in Afg as Pakistan itself, as one single poor country, has committed
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 : so what kinda economic framework are we talking about?
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Remains to be seen.. An ideal one would begin with radical tax reforms, massive increase in education and health, rebuilding of war-torn north-west...
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710:interesting. tax reforms as in?
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Bringing the land-owning agricultural elite in to the tax bracket.. Currently only 2% of Pakistanis pay income-tax - mostly those whose tax is cut from their pay-check automatically.. So there is massive potential there.. according to several estimates, on the conservative side, we're looking at adding $10b at least to the national exchequer with properly implemented taxation..
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :the american bubble is real.it isnt going to go away.But it all reflects in the balance sheet.So,the uphill journey has already commenced and we are on our way. Only god knows what crap is going to hit the ceiling when the dragon blinks. With half the number fudged and no way to cross verify those numbers, who knows whats going to go down.anyways.speculation never got us anywhere.perhaps it bodes well to figure out how pakistan fits in as an economy that generates wealth.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: American 'bubble' is 'real'? Whoa! contradictory words in the same sentence.. The bubble burst in 2008.. I've been to the US and I've seen GHOST towns with all the housing fore-closures and what not.. Detroit is 3hrs drive from me. So dont tel me what is real and what is not. The crap 'is' about the hit the ceiling if the Americans dont tidy up their fiscal policies..
faris710 9 months ago
...eachother thru the kashmir prism.that tends to rob all of us off the goodness we all are capable off man.Ive been meaning to come over t pakistan for eons now.From what....my 9th grade....im nearing 30 now and I cant come over?this is insane.I love your people man.and ive got loads of friends there.But I just am not able to go there!thaz horrible.We need to talk much bigger.think much bigger.kashmir is a complication that will be solved.but we cant hold our entire relationship...
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Strange., why aren't you able to visit Pakistan? 5000 to 7000 Sikhs come every year for Sikh festivals.. other Indians do too. Dodging all of my comments was a neat trick. It didnt distract me though.. Obviously you have no answer to India's brutal crackdown on Kashmiris whenever they rise up against occupation of their land
faris710 9 months ago
...hostage to this!its stupid!there is so much trade we can do together. Ive got an economy that is booming at 9 % and it will continue to do so for the next 25 years!thazt 8 trillion dollars of business added over in the next 25 years alone.And there is a huge demand supply mismatch.Which means opportunities for all neighboring nations.this is out century!this is our time!we need to get over the pettiness and the bitterness and let our generation take over!
ancient ideologies...
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: maybe true but its not about ancient ideologies. Its abt righting historical wrongs to create trust. Where there is no trust, nothing else works
faris710 9 months ago
cannot dictate the future of 1.5 billion people of the future.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@faris710:You know,I can sight numerous sources where it is abundantly clear that there was a huge influx of Bangladeshis into our country during the war.Thousands of women were allegedly raped by 'some' of your soldiers and India was in some way forced into the war.Im not saying that we are angels here.We too have sinned.Im barely suggesting that all Pakistan has done is to betray us but that said,Im certain that India has no intentions to destabilize pakistan.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: What your sources may NOT tell you is that, Pakistan Army had virtually exterminated the Bengali insurgents by mid-May that year & that is why the United Nations asked India to post UN monitoring teams on border crossings so that the displaced people could go back to East Pak.. However India refused.. because unknown to the UN and Pakistan, Indians had begun full-fledge recruitment n training of Mukti Bahini by that time & letting the people go back would be an own-goal
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :but if you choose to go there, I must warn you, there is no point.We'l all be frustrated about it and there will be no inch to move to.And this is what has happened at our govtt. levels. We must be interested in solviong kashmir.Not pointing fingers.we will solve it.But can you guarantee that there will be no single attack from lunie jihadis from pakistan.Will ur govt. once again say these were"non state" actors and hence they cannot do much about it?no point faris.we need solutions.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
Indian acclaimed journalist, Arundhati Roy blasts Indian authorities & media in this article in the Guardian Newspaper [U.K]
guardian(dot)co(dot)uk/world/2008/dec/12/mumbai-arundhati-roy
mystz1 3 years ago 3
@mystz1 :haha....arundati roy writes really bad books.only pakistan will give her so much importance. trust me, no one in the world cares for that pompous bitch. and this is besides what you have to say. Im open to having a dialogue on where india must do better vis-a-vis pakistan.but provided you leave arundathi roy out of this. please!:)
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Sure, any Indian that criticizes India is a 'joke' no matter what academic credentials they have or how well respected they are in the wider world.. I see how it goes for you.. I guess, the same must be true for Mr H. M. Seervai whose book 'Partition of India: Legend and Reality' shattered the miserable saga of partition that Indians are taught in their schools long before Jaswant Singh said the same thing.
faris710 9 months ago
Have you read her books.Read it,and then come back to me.I was in splits as to how pompous she is and I picked up her book - God of Small Things like eons ago man.Here's my underlying point.Lets solve the Kashmir issue as per the broad principles of Mush.We are committed towards that.But anti India elements in your country has to be alienated and booked.You know its not right to kill innocents.I hate it when I wake up and see 80,100,200 people died in Pak today.It makes me feel gutted man.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: I dont see anti-Pakistan elements being alienated in India.. The one guy who wants peace with Pakistan, Manmohan, is riding that horse all by himself. The RSS, Shiv Sena and their extremist lot burn Pakistan flags, harass Pakistani celebrities visiting India, etc & yet the all-powerful Indian state is helpless against them.. To clap, you need two hands.. If you value Nehru in any regard, his words must be implemented by India.. Free & fair plebiscite to let Kashmiris decide
faris710 9 months ago
No,people that criticize in India are actually welcome here.The media that you watch here on youtube only shows you what you want.Wanna know what we need in India?1.Socialistic past.2.The hangover of the raj.3.Stronger judiciary.4.Robust labor laws.5.Competitive sea ports.6.Stronger minority protection.7.Not free schooling,but free loans for schooling.8.Robust healthcare delivery.9.A mightier imagination for slum rehabilitation. and much more.Im not sensitive about my weaknesses.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
But one needs to play a constructive role in reinventing a huge country.Arundhathi Roy lacks that teeth.It takes no talent to identify problems here as there is no shortage of problems.We are limited only by our imagination and my problem is right there.When the brits invaded our country,they robbed our wealth but I would have settled for even illegal occupation now looking back.But what we handed out to them on their way out is much more than that.We handed out our imagination.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
we handed out our right to build new things.to think big.To create glorious futures for our kids.We stopped erecting the huge structures we were once famous for.we stopped thinking technology and scientific revolution.We instead went on to this huge and cumbersome process of protectionism and committed blunders after blunders,plundering our imagination even further.Its only in the last 20 years that we are making a comeback.And we are making a strong one.And we wish you all the success too.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
this was an article in the May 1993 issue (pages 46-47) of Airforces Monthly, a reputable UK-based air defence magazine, written by a Russian aviation writer, Sergey Vekhov, for the first time in public, provided a first-hand account about the PAFs pilots
awaab02 3 years ago
open eyes indian
As an air defence analyst, I am fully aware that the Pakistan Air Force ranks today as one of the best air forces in the world and that the PAF Combat Commanders School (CCS) in Sargodha has been ranked as the best GCI/pilot and fighter tactics and weapons school in the world. As one senior US defence analyst commented to me in 1992, It leaves Topgun (the US Naval Air Station in Miramar, California) far behind.
Article in the May 1993 issue (pages 46-47 by Sergey Vekhov
awaab02 3 years ago
to hell wid ur stories of hindu fascists conspiracy..Hindu majority trying to keep itdelf alyv n kicking..u noe wat faris u have a damn gud imaginative brain **KYD**.dont miss uz it..n btw ur bloody country is ISLAMIC ours is SECULAR n RUNNING not begging for sum money frm IMF. wat a group of imaginative egoistic seft-obsessed reluctant to accept factual truth kinda ppl...fis a big thumbs down
ssahil09 3 years ago
Stick to the topic kid. Babri Mosque wasn't demolished by 'secular' Indians, nor were thousands of Muslims, Sikhs, Christians slaughtered by 'secular' Indian while the police & others stood by and watched. It was Brahmo/Hindutva Fascists. Go to BBC website & search for their special report on HINDU TERRORISM. The world is slowly waking up to this hate-ideology of Nazi inspired thugs perpetrated by RSS/VHP/BajrangDal/AbhinavBharat/ShivSena/SanghParivar, etc. These are the true scum
faris710 3 years ago
Babru Mosque was destroyed because it was built on the foundation of a Hindu Temple that was destroyed during Aurngzebs rule. Tit-for-Tat!
protikmaitra 3 years ago
VERY MATURE behavior from a democracy, TRULY!
faris710 3 years ago
Of course, if destruction of a mosque is wrong, I don't see how the destruction of temples is right!
We did not go to Saudi Arabia or Persia to destroy the mosques. They came here to destroy our temples. Every action has a reaction.
protikmaitra 3 years ago
Do you even know u're just making a clown out of yourself here? Comparing two different time frames in history is the utmost distorted & idiotic way to whine.. Babri Mosque was destroyed in 1992 DEMOCRATIC India in the 'modern period' of world history; Auranzeb's rule was in the 'medieval period'.
Btw, there is NO conclusive evidence of the existence of a RAM temple at the site anyways; here's some education for u:
hinduonnet(dot)com/2003/06/27/stories/2003062700291000(dot)htm
faris710 3 years ago
"Do you even know u're just making a clown out of yourself here?" - and what are you doing? Responding to a clown and proving that you are a bigger clown?
Anyways, the foundation of the mosque represents that of temples with a courtyard and a grabha-griha. It was confirmed by the Archaeological Survey of India. Now I know you will say that ASI is infiltrated by Radical Hindus. Problem is that you people are intolerant by nature, so talking to you makes no sense.
protikmaitra 3 years ago
Sure! U said it & we believed it. Still no evidence from u. I guess thats how it works in India; jst whine & whine over a lie until the other party gets fed up n accepts the lie as truth -> one of many teachings of the fascist Golwalkar. Those who demolished Babri Mosque, killed thousands Sikhs, Muslims, Christians every year are now going to lecture others on tolerance & intolerance. Jst amazingly rich!
faris710 3 years ago
Yeah, repeatedly asking for evidence and seeking excuses has been the hallmark of Pakistan. Even now, when CIA, British Intelligence said that Mumbai Attacks were planned in Pakistan by Pakistanis, and even the British PM gordon Brown said that 75% of all terror activities lead back tp Pakistan, Pakistan keeps harping that they need evidence.
Self denial is a chronic disease of all Pakis.
protikmaitra 3 years ago
As stated earlier, if you have 'irrefutable' evidence; PRESENT it. Dont blame your shortcomings on others. U're the one tryin to find excuses by dragging in all sorts of different topics to avoid presenting the evidence u've been asked for.
There are ways in which countries deal with one another. India has NOT handed over any solid evidence over to Pakistan so dont expect anything frm Pakistan either. Denial is an art perfected by Indians along with the other one of 'projection-accusations'.
faris710 3 years ago
What do you mean by SOLID evidence? Kasab is in Indian custody. That is evidence enough. Not only that, even the grandes used by them had pakistani ordnance stamps (not postage stamps - hope you understand).
Its NOT that we are not sharing evidence; it's just that even after YOU Pakis got evidence from US and British intelligence, you guys keep saying "Give us evidence!" You guys are a bunch of retarded imbeciles who need to be chained and caned! Dog like treatment for the dogs that you are.
protikmaitra 3 years ago
Where's the evidence of Pakistani Ordnance stamps? A few sensational reports on Indian media and you accepted it at face-value. They said it, u believed it. They said the same things after Samjhota Express & Malegaon blasts as well.
Now dont whine. India has not shared any evidence with Pakistan as confirmed by U.S. State Dept. Int'l Relations dont work according to Indian kid imaginations. They have rules, procedures that have to be followed. India will not get anythng out of its propaganda
faris710 3 years ago
@faris710:Faris,first,I dont wanna start a stupid fight here.Its such an easy thing to do.So,if you are with me on this, we can have a healthy chat man.But here are some views,India and U.S. specific terrorism in Pakistan is not a farce.its real my friend.I guess we all know that.We will have solved Kashmir and our P.M was sincere about this as was President Mush.This is in his own words.The Mumbai attacks were planned in Pakistan and this is true as well man.No hog wash that.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Indian sincerity became piece of garbage the day India made a U-turn on Nehru's promise to the Kashmiris of a free & fair plebiscite to assess their desires of how they wanted to live.. If the Mumbai attacks were planned in Pakistan.. the Samjhota Express bombing by Hindu terrorists in India that killed countless innocent Pakistanis were planned & executed with impunity on Indian soil.
faris710 9 months ago
First..Nehru was a cunt and fucked my country beyond repair in certain areas.So much so,that 60 years on,we are still fighting over kashmir.But that India is gone.Today's India is completely a different story.Tell me this,inspite of having 800 million hindus in this country,why dint the supreme court allow the hindu terrorists to proceed with building the ram temple?Young India wants to move on.Now is the time to cash in.We need positive leaders with a vision.Not silly fucks with bullets.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: I would say those who came after Nehru were the real c**ts.. or those who swung India behind Israel instead of helpless Palestinians.. If India had done what Nehru said regarding Kashmir, today would be a different era of Indo-Pak relations. 800million Hindus cannot produce a Supreme Court stamped Ram Temple based on myths & legends.. if the Supreme Court cannot bring Narendra Modi to justice over Gujarat, am not sure if it can do anything else.
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :I missed this post of yours.And feel pretty tempted to tell you that there is no proof behind the existence of the holy prophet either.What's myth to you is real to me.Im not sure if your observation is in good spirit at all. Secondly,ofcourse it was possible to deny the muslims the right to build a mosque.In a country where there are 800 million hindus,it is easy.But the beauty of my country is in its plurality.All these are qualities that no other country in the world has.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: *yawn* there are LETTERS written by the Prophet of Islam in Museums.. stamped by his KNOWN 'seal' like any ruler did in ancient times.. That is very much tangible proof of HIS existence than some bridge that was supposedly built by an army of monkeys.. So spare us ur delusional defense. Plurality? in India? Sure! Babri Mosque is torn down in the middle of the day in front of the police by sword wielding terrorist Hindus of Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena, RSS.. plurality.. sure!
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :haha...please have me know that the prophet's biggest accomplishment is more than the ability to pass on demented lil hate letters across generations. Assuming these letters are valid, it proves very lil about the prophet's "magical"abilities. lol. piss off man. you're nothing but a hardcore tucked inside a rather shallow shell of a liberal peace seeker.and dun even get me started on the nature of your country's tactics.I thought Ill give conv. a shot.but boy, am i a fool!
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Bigoted minds cannot be made to think logically. Prophet of Islam had no magical abilities, he was a poor man, rose through the ranks of society based on his honest dealings in trade.. Even after becoming the leader of all Muslims, used to sleep on a simple mat on the floor. You are indeed a fool if you think that u actually know more than the thousands of scholars & archaeologists who have worked for hundreds of years to sift through sand n history to find irrefutable evidence
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :basically, in my country,ive had a boom of minority population but I find no need to defend my secularism nor justify it. I think my fabric is more diverse as opposed to autocratic, religion based nations which btw includes yous too.But i din wanna get into any of these conversations as I believe it hijacks dialog.But you left me with no choice clearly.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Sure! According to numerous surveys, the worst plight of Indians is that of Muslims, even worse than Dalits. I guess the secularism and pluralism in India stops where the slum dwellers of non-Brahman caste start to be counted. Pakistan was never based on religion otherwise it would be like Iran or Saudi Arabia.. For all ur claimed intellect, it is thoroughly pathetic that u cant even distinguish b/w a theocratic state and one based on a political distinction of a 'Muslim-majority'
faris710 9 months ago
@faris710 :Faris,to reduce the secular fabric of India to rubbles based on exceptions is not just or fair.Its like calling every muslim a terrorist.I stand up,being hindu.I stand up for my pakistani friends when we travel together if someone behaves in a prejudiced fashion.As a muslim,Id expect you to understand the pain of injustice and look forward to seeing you put an end to it.As opposed to accusing some 800 million people of fascism ma man.That doesnt quiet fly.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
@hashpuppy101: Nothing in my earlier comment lumped all Hindus together.. What was implied was, the terrorist lot of Hindus must be held accountable for killing innocent Pakistanis with just as much passion as shown by India when demanding action from Pakistan over Mumbai attacks.. The terrorists of Shiv Sena, RSS, Bajrang Dal roam free after their acts of barbarity & they have much political backing as well
faris710 9 months ago
The Pakis need to open their eyes and realise that the oil rich Saudis are funding them, not for building schools and hospitals but to train terrorists in their madrasas.
The fact that these damned Pakis are thumbing-down our comments proves that they are believers in a radical and evil ideology.
protikmaitra 3 years ago
Its ppl's right to use 'thumb downs' here on youtube; this is NOT India, where 'democracy' is only good so far as it works to fulfil the aims of the Hindu majority while trampling upon the rights of minorities.
Its quite rich for an Indian to be telling Pakistanis to open their eyes. Your army, intelligence, bureaucracy, political apparatus, etc have all been infiltrated by Hindutva-fascists who preach hatred & killing of non-Hindus to keep Hindu dominance alive n kicking..
faris710 3 years ago
now as captured terrorist kasab father is admitting in pakistan that kasab is his son, the pakis conspiracy theory has again been exposed. Also, their media propoganda that we have not done this, these terrorist dont look like Pakistani etc. shame on pakistani public of watching their shit media news..
RahulJain786 3 years ago
Only ONE question for lil Indian kids like yourself: why IF Pakistani media is lying, & Pakistanis r lying & India is soo truthful - then WHY is India not handing over evidence to Pakistan so that those responsible can be put on trial? What exactly is there to hide! Quit the double-play & come clean then
faris710 3 years ago
If you take the so-called father acknowledging his son story at face-value, then you must also accept that the entire Indian Navy + Coast Guard are so inept & incompetent, they could not counter 10 fugitives. You still have to deal with the fact that ALL the attackers were wearing Hinduism's Saffron bands on their wrists, were carrying MP-6 carbine guns [an Indian Army issue], drank alcohol at Cafe Leopold before going on their killing spree, Karkare's wife refused compensation from BJP, etc!
faris710 3 years ago
oh yea by the way how u said that the weapons the terrorist used were indian made mp-6 carbines first off u have made unclear that what gun that is and another if those were indian guns then how do explain the greneades that had pakistan ordinance in wah stamp on them that were found oh yes this is another lie since india wont give evidence right and that not why the world is putting pressure on pakistan but hey just a thought
gabhroo69 3 years ago
More gibberish without presenting evidence. Lets see some usual Indian media propaganda showing 'grenades stamped with any Pakistani stampage'. Those guns ARE MP-6 carbines; google an 'idiots guide to guns' & have at it kiddo
India has NOT given Pakistan any evidence & so you can whine all you want. No one will be put on trial for anything.
faris710 3 years ago
@faris710:If osama bin laden cannot be nabbed close to 100 kms from Islamabad in your country,How do you expect a navy to nab 10 mad cunts who are ready to blow themselves up?Im not name calling your army and I suggest neither do you.
hashpuppy101 9 months ago
What The Fuck Is This Video?
Shaharyar87 3 years ago
Its called 'propaganda'
faris710 3 years ago
hey faris ur own LeT was banned by UNSC and also ur own trusted friend who is always against INDIA, the very own china has not made any attempt 2 block the ban since all the nations have seen the evidence and accepted let involvement in the attack, u people r saying u r the real muslim- do u know that that imams in mumbai refused to bury killed terrorists since they r not muslims -- islam preaches non violence like all other religion, ALLAH WILL PUNISH THE TERRORISTS
casemoopai 3 years ago
If u dont know, China & Russia have a tradition of not-interferring with other's internal affairs unlike U.S and India. NO ONE here is defending LeT or whoever kills innocent ppl. We are only denouncing false Indian propaganda.
faris710 3 years ago
alright you guys are idiots, the whole world has accepted pakistan's role in it, keep talking what you want, and cling to the conspiracy theories, Pak has chosen the path to be declared a terror state, no country will give it aid, and it is gonna starve and tear itself apart. we'll build our fence, buy the popcorn and enjoy the show! haha
bhangraknight86 3 years ago
the 'whole' world? Which world? You mean Brahmo-Hindutva Fascist world of ur local shaka network? Just google up today's NewYork Times report that cites U.S. Intelligence officials confirming that there is NO evidence of ISI involvement or anything. So, get a life, get some education, quite whining & spare us ur ignorance..
faris710 3 years ago
Indian media? Probably owned by Western illuminati. This pakistan scapegoating has got to stop. It is no secret the ISI is the prostitute of MOSSAD and CIA.
sonofthedestroyer 3 years ago 2
its applausable simply da way u react to truth i must update u this u'll love it pak govt is cracking down on the LeT camps & has arrested the chief of let as well y? ask urself its coz dey noe dat wid the indian air force's expertiz n wid full US backing n israel support...pak will b nethng but spared if dey dont act...its lyk u kyll dem or we kyll dem..but ur soo called jihadis shall die...ne how wats more...US is planning to sent the names of some ISI frmer chiefs to get UN sanctions....
ssahil09 3 years ago
call it crackdown or any other term that may please you; here, big politics is at play much beyond ur understanding. Today's operation on a supposed LeT camp was to diffuse tensions with India on the part of Pakistan with the other intention of Pakistan being the improvement of Congress govt's image in India which had suffured after Mumbai attacks. This way Pakistan trumps BJP-HindutvaFascist nexus from gaining more popularity in the upcoming elections by keepin the 'moderates' in power in India
faris710 3 years ago
Well pakistan has not accepted that they destroyed LeT camps coz of Indian and US Pressure,so no relief to congress govt.We already have mixed results in 5 States election so there is a doubt if mumbai attacks are affecting election results. Zardari has to do it because of Indian pressure just he cant accept it,coz it will make people like you feel bad and military can capture power again as it was done in musharafs time.You have two center of power in ur country.I like ur imagination anyways.
punjabiyaar1234 3 years ago
Btw I am looking at an explosion in Karachi and a possibly attack on Zardari escaping narrowly. LeT is not going to spare you if they are true jihadis
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punjabiyaar1234 3 years ago
Haaha! More ridiculous whining. LeT was formed with the intent of liberating Kashmir, not killing Pakistanis out of vengeance. Even after 2002, when Pakistan officially blacklisted them & arrested many of its footsoldiers, LeT did not attack Pakistanis. Your knowledge is devoid of factual realities, only mere hypothetic assumptions that do not amount to much at all
faris710 3 years ago
Yes, they havent 'destroyed' the camp. Only taken over it. Whether u like it or not, Pakistan's action on LeT camp improves Congress' image after being tainted when the Mumbai attacks happened. Indian public wud feel Congress is having success while the BJP & its sister organization RSS/VHP rhetoric would not hit the right notes as it did right after Mumbai attacks occurred. ISI's political wing was disbanded more than a week ago while the military has thrown its weight behind Zardari..
faris710 3 years ago
dude...if india cums down to fight.....india cn destroy pak in an hour's tym..evn b4 u get up frm bed...ur country will b in tatters...n as for ruling india...lemme remind u dat in 1971 or 1962 war...our army conquered lahore n karachi..n if it were'nt for r bloody peace lovin Pm dere wud not havebeen ne independent entity as pak...n plz mothrfucker piece of shit ....dont insult english by using it...evn it gets ashamed upon u using it!!!pkaistani lions.....bullshit...utter non-sence
ssahil09 3 years ago
WOW! Another Indian kid showering us with his ignorance. Kid, did u know that ppl r laughing at ur outrageously ludicrous claims? I guess not..
faris710 3 years ago
pakistani media litraly destroy the indian media false propaganda........ indians are like a crawlig snail .... they r now regreting whome they challenge..... they challenge the lion caled pakistan..... we will conqure india again and will teach them the real respect of humanity ...AS we showed before when we ruled 1000 years on india and all communities accross the india was happy at that time... hindus r coward they cant fight themselves thats why they r working with israel and USA....
khanzada375 3 years ago
i am an indian...and a hindu but i think its totally dumb and stupid of india and especially our indian media to rather openly blame pakistan without even having any proof...this is pure dumbness and fuels the anger that pakistanis already have for indians (read hindus)...
sandeshthelibran 3 years ago
Thanks for your sensible comment. Pakistanis dont necessarily have 'anger' towards an avg Hindu but only towards organizations such as VHP, RSS, BajrangDal, etc.
faris710 3 years ago
It's their intelligence failure, they are putting blame on Pakistanis. Their agencies are useless, and a total wreck for themselves. The ISI is a renowned effective, effectual and the most powerful agency in the world. All agencies even CIA acknowledges that. ISI rules! Keep on envying what you could never have, failures.
AliTehsin 3 years ago
Mumbai was an INSIDE JOB
zanretsukenXII 3 years ago
lol at ID cards found in their pocket
u Indians have proved as stupid as americans ;)
kallikusta 3 years ago
and also u being an idiot is being proven u get ur fucken info on blogs and hindu forums thats great great info ur getting i mean hey thats like me saying somethin on this and u believing it so whose the real naive little paki kid o wait in ur terms get out of denial kiddo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gabhroo69 3 years ago
Little kid, when I talked abt forums, I was pointing out how Hindu extremists were celebrating as soon as Hemant Karkaray & other senior officers were killed. If Hindus/Indians were truly sad abt what happened in Mumbai, I dont see why they would be rejoicing in private while blaming Pakistan in public. U've cocooned yourself in ur lil denial world & here u exhibit the true Indian style; dont acknowledge ur faults but launch attacks on others for their's. Tsk Tsk
faris710 3 years ago
who told u hindus were celebrating..evn got damn party has condemed dis attack on indian sovereignity...hey misster LIL KIDDD if u r styll in ur mummy's arms indians cant help it go suck ur thumb as a matter of fact .ur jihadi kasav has confessed to d pka link...ur lEt operated has said he did d mumbai recce..d gps maps lead 2 karachi d telle calls lead 2 lEt no.s every fukcing evidence is of ISI grwn n spnsrd LeT so accept it lyk it or not n ya id a war does happn..pak is history a BAD history
ssahil09 3 years ago
NO ONE has to tell. A simple google search & visit to zealous-Hindu forums will reveal the truth. Ur terrorist u was caught was wearing the HINDU 'saffron band' on his wrist; spoke in Marathi & has been tortured so much under investigation by Indian police to say he was trained by Lashkar-e-Tayyaba. The SAT-phone shown by Indian media showed numbers from Jalalabad, Afghanistan.. NOT Pakistan. Go wash ur face first kid, then talk abt 'history'!
faris710 3 years ago
faris ur a fucken idiot state department said pakistan not resposible prove it shut all the indian kids up post the link in ur next gay resposne prove us indians ur so jealous of wrong go ahead and last time i went on bbc i saw condiliza rice in india pressuring pakistan but u kno wut go post it
gabhroo69 3 years ago
No one will take responsibility for your lazyness to do some research on your own. It was a U.S. State Department press release, not hard to find unless you dont know how to search on the internet, thats a different story
faris710 3 years ago
This was an attack organized by Hindutva Fascists & later to 'plant' Pakistani evidence so as to drag Pakistan in the case.
Hindutva Fascists have long hated Hemant Karkarey for his actions against HINDU TERRORISTS & even if you do a little search on google for Hindu chat-forums, you will see how they r all distributing sweets on the death of Karkarey. RSS/VHP/BajrangDal/BJP/ShivSena/SanghParivar are to blame
faris710 3 years ago
raji u fucken idiot they carry there ids so that if they are intercepted by the dirty pakis that they can prove they are paaki its common sense and they will let them continue and fine we say if its not pakistan who is it then where did they come from tell us plz tell us
gabhroo69 3 years ago
No Pakistani is allowed by P.N. to go out of Pakistan's Territorial Waters & here u're ranting over a bunch of I.D cards that can be forged by anyone.
It is nothing new for Indians to kill non-Pakitsanis & then 'plant' Pakistani I.Ds on them. This tactic has long been used by Indian forces in Kashmir; they kill innocent Kashmiris, then plant Pakistani I.Ds & money on them. Lets not forget how an entire Indian Army regiment 'faked' an encounter with Pak soldiers in J&K to win gallantry medals
faris710 3 years ago
It is sooo funny How the indian media is controlling its country people and making them believe in a shit without any proof... they r going ahead ov the govt...First they said tht pakistan is involved and their govt denied...then again yesterday they said tht indian team is not visiting pakistan and the next hour the govt denied...
Ali200440 3 years ago 3
don't u think... do u have brain in your nutshell... pakistani are not supporter of LeT.. if you give all the rights to kashmarees what they want form indian govt., other parts of your country no one try attack in india... they are kashmiri, sikhs, nagaland, asaam & other peoples around you.. and they are not satisfied your govt. policies .. think about it... fight for your citizen right it will helps your country grow
raji2010 3 years ago
these are all planted and manufactured evidences. jus thinks about it... any terrorist who is goint to attack at any place anywhere in the world and he carries his all documents with him.. if he well planned, why he contact to anywhere elese... like we saw on television they know what they want. it sound so crazy that they travel 500 nautical miles and no one entercept them and know where they attack.. if you are in karachi how you know where you want to go without any local support.
raji2010 3 years ago
"Without evidence or any official facts" - you must be living in another planet. All the evidence goes back to LeT which your government turns a blind eye to and which your ISI funds, supports and allows the indoctrination to continue to wreck terrorist attacks against India.
The world is not fooled. If Pakistan is sincere, then let's see them act against LeT and their handlers. Let's see them hand over the 20 most wanted terrorists that India provided with evidence 7 years back.
cheapshot1234 3 years ago
Where's the evidence? Apart from Indian media's bollywood/sensational stories; where is it? Why hasn't India handed over evidence to Pakistan if it wants Pakistan to take action? Try bullshytting someone else kid.
Yes, the world is 'really' not fooled this time by Indian dramas of victimization. The U.S. State Dept released a statement to BBC yesterday saying 'clearly' that there is NO evidence to suggest Pakistani involvement. Try reading non-Indian news for a change kiddo
faris710 3 years ago
this is totaly inside indian problem.. they kills himent karkarey after 1or2 hours of mumbai attacks & other police officer who investigate against indian army officer. i thinks the beneficiary of this attack is only india becuse through this attack they try to blame pakistan, they try to save their army, effect on indian elections & hide indian extremist hindu groups who kills muslims, christians & other nations.
raji2010 3 years ago
dude worry bout ur own disgracefull country not our we hav our backbone still u guys our known as terrorist or americas bitch so fix those problems first and all these videos are waisting ur time while u can be disarming another terrorist prob ur cuz from creating a worse name for yourselves no one respects u guys they all just laugh at u so plz stop talking shit to india we are the stronger smarter and hotter and the day we do the things u guys do to us then see where ur cuntry will becocksuckr
gabhroo69 3 years ago
Yes what a backbone it must be; 16 so-called militants came and held the entire city of Mumbai under seige for over 60hrs while also killing top Indian cops. AMAZING backbone!
I guess Pakistan should just send 500 highschool kids with AKs to India & they will conquer it..
Kiddo, try to walk the walk; instead of jst talking the talk - a hollow Indian approach as usual
faris710 3 years ago
wow and u call me a an idiot thats in denial how man hundreds of sikhs hindus and muslims died and u talk about all those things happening in india wuts the hindu sikh and christian population and another thing if u were a white kid from a america u have more rite to criticize india ur fuckin muslim paki whose country is runned by terrorist and gangster who cant even feed its people and ur talking shit about india pakis cant digest and never will that we did better without u than u did withoutus
gabhroo69 3 years ago