Ambrosian chant - Αινείτε τον Κύριον

[Strefanasha]

please pardon my ignorance, my musical training is in the western classical tradition, but I am a christian by conviction with some knowledge of Church History. Does the name Ambrosian refer to Saint Ambrose? If so did he compose the words and/or the melodies?

both as musical and spiritual utterance it is most fascinating

[graceinmay]

@Strefanasha From what I have read, friend, Ambrosian relates the chanting to the Ambrosian Rite of the Western Catholic tradition, and has been associated with St. Ambrose since the 8th Century, indicating a connection between the Saint and the rite.

[Strefanasha]

@graceinmay thanks for this

[graceinmay]

@Strefanasha God bless you, and thank you- I don't know a lot about it, but I hoped that helped a little!

[MNDShadowGR]

Callixtinus r u Greek

[MNDShadowGR]

And also read church books and the bible it's all in there

[MNDShadowGR]

Easy there past down from generation from generation

[honeylips01]

This is amazing who do modern people get the original scripts for this music??

[MNDShadowGR]

Can u make a vid about the chant "Lord of the Powers" plz

[Callixtinus]

@MNDShadowGR :

Scheduled.

[MNDShadowGR]

It's good but one thing it's not from midevil times it's been around about when Christ was alive or around 500 ad

[MNDShadowGR]

Look it's not choir, it's chanters. In Greece if u go to one of the the villages and u ask them wat a choir is theyll be like τι λες γαμοτο! Trust me my family is Greek and so am i

[MrAntiReligiones]

5¨*****, but this isnt not an ambrosian chant. This is a Byzantine Chant....Only listen the cour and note that....

[Callixtinus]

@MrAntiReligiones : It is not byzantine chant (at least what we call byzantine chant nowadays). I am a byzantine chanter and I can assure you of at least that much. The byzantine counterpart of this piece is the one I posted as a video response and anyone can tell the difference....

[MrAntiReligiones]

@Callixtinus Well, I am not a Byzantine Chanter, but it similar to the byzantine Chant. I do not believe in religion, but I like this chant. Byzantine, gregorian, medieval chant of the roman church, etc...

[SPO1855]

Let someone else put in the effort Marcel has and come up with a more Frankish sound (i.e. Gregorienne) and then let's hear

dispute. Until that happens, let's look at history. The Franks changed the Roman Rite in almost completeness. Why should we suspect that the earliest rites and chants were similar in the entirety of the Church's worship? Even the most traditional (i.e. oldest) gregorian chant was far more baritone than todays' high tenor, boy-soprano sound. Glory be to Him.

[MrsCaptJack]

I am no expert on the different types of chants, but I am truly fascinated by the discussions here and on your other postings. This music just takes me to another when. Thank you for posting it.

[Callixtinus]

@MrsCaptJack : "I am no expert on the different types of chants" - makes two of us :)

[MrsCaptJack]

@Callixtinus You are much to humble, methinks. ;-))

[Greek487]

Poor quality Callixtinus? It's very good... =)

This is from a live concert performed in the late 80s / early 90s at the ancient amphitheater of Epidaurus.

My original cassette tape seems to have a slightly quicker tempo. Callixtinus, any idea if the tempo was slowed just a touch in this recording?

Please continue to post even if you're not sure. There is always great interest in what you post.... =)

[Callixtinus]

@Greek487 : I think it's from a concert in San Vitale, in Ravenna. The reason for the quicker tempo is the usually the fact that they could not fit the entire recording in one vinyl record and so they sped up the recosrding tape to include everything, with the result of making voices sound with slightly higher pitch than originally.

[Samurai8989]

Neat. I'm mentioned by Calixtinus in the description! LOL.

This is, as always, quite nice ... but I must persist in asking: what makes this "Ambrosian" exactly? While, yes, I agree that Ambrosian chant is distinct from Gregorian chant I simply cannot see any evidence that Ambrosian chant is as Eastern as this. What I find particulalrly glaring is that Ambrosian chant has always been sung within the Ambrosian Rite in a monophonic manner. Where as this is polyphonic, incorporating bass drones.

[Callixtinus]

@Samurai8989 : I think the chant was described as Ambrosian in the original manuscript. As to the polyphonism, I can't say that incorporating a drone makes a piece polyphonic (byzantine chant is monophonic and yet has drone). The rules of polyphonism are particular and I am not quite sure this drone here complies with them (observance of certain harmonies etc). Sounds more like the drone follows the main line.

[polkusin]

the quality is wonderful - then again, usually a description like that will just make me more intrigued :D

[Judge373]

Quality is great - thanks for the interesting recording.

[DavidofThe]

Beautiful