Dr. Nicolosi & Christine Sneeringer on Dr. Drew

[LiturgicalChants]

Yes my point is that someone was NOT happy. People feel compelled to do things, it is a compulsion, a reaction, an urgent feeling, and it is NOT a feeling of happiness but desperation. It is like the high of a drug. A drug that brings no happiness, only addiction. Oxytocin is not happiness it is a sexual hormone. Either I am unclear or my words are being manipulated, that is my final word.

[wolfumz]

poor, sweet christine. she seems like she carries such a heavy burden.

[LiturgicalChants]

If you had for example a show with "addicts" and than "ex-addicts", say to alcohol for example. The ones who are addicts will always say they are "not addicts" and the ones who are no longer addicts will always say they were once addicts in denial. This is how homosexuality is, it is a deep denial, you think you are happy when you deny that you have a problem. But if the homosexuality goes away, than you see how unhappy you actually were.

[wolfumz]

@LiturgicalChants Let me get this straight. You're saying being an ex gay is like when a drug addict is in recovery because they take the inherit urges/compulsions they have and then chose not to act on them. You're missing a huge issue in that comparison: a drug addict hurts themselves and those around them when they use, but a homosexual is generally happy and healthy when they act on their desires.

[LiturgicalChants]

Well, at least respect the belief that not all people with homosexual feelings are happy having them, some people have them with a recognition that it is uncomfortable. I do not believe all homosexuals are happy when they act on their desires. Some may think they are of course. Just as an individual may think they are very happy masturbating alone by themselves, instead of married to one of opposite gender. Once you experience the difference, you realize that you were not happy before.

[wolfumz]

@LiturgicalChants To say you were not happy before and the joy you experienced is illusory is absurd to me. Either you were happy or you weren't. Whether it is healthy or not is another thing altogether.

I understand that there are people who are uncomfortable having homosexual thoughts, but if their homosexuality was accepted by their family and spiritual community, I can't imagine why someone would be uncomfortable with themselves or possess some kind of false happiness.

[LiturgicalChants]

This show is a "setup". If you had for example a show with "addicts" and than "ex-addicts", say to alcohol for example. The ones who are addicts will always say they are "not addicts" and the ones who are no longer addicts will always say they were once addicts in denial. This is how homosexuality is, it is a deep denial, you think you are happy when you deny that you have a problem. But if the homosexuality goes away, than you see how unhappy you actually were.

[LifterwiII]

Nicolosi is full of bullshit and for as long as I hard heard him that is the fact! Nicolosi would be NOTHING if it wasn't for the myth of the "ex gay" movement. His bullshit is continually exposed as the farce that it is. This woman is NOT a former lesbian who was straight .. she has been a very psychologically damaged woman who, I believe is still utterly screwed up. She is NOT straight .. please don't make that mistake.

[parmenides19]

Siempre habra gente a favor,gente en contra. El Dr Nicolosi tiene muchas razón y si la APA lo ha expulsado interesés de quien sabe que tipo deben de haber. La terapia es para quien quiere cambiar.

[IamAbillionaireNow]

Dr Drew is so professional & pure in heart he did not takes sides & was VERY respectful towards the other Doctor. There can be no denial that sexual abuse IS ONE OF THE FACTORS that distorts sexual identity

[StoneCampbellforLife]

Praise GOD!!!! Good for her!!

[tishaschwanger]

What dr. Drew is trying to pull out in talking with the "ex-lesbian" is that many of the religious make-me-un-gay groups are not licensed and/or remotely educated to handle traumas in one's past. This becomes a brow-beating of people who are very ill or who's parents think they are bad. Take Christine here she may not be gay openly but she doesn't seem to have a handle on her past traumas.

[funk7000]

Sam Harris last words can be applied to homosexual activists groups. So reparative/restorative therapy is considered dangerous, but jacking up somebody with hormone blockers and mutilating their genitalia is not dangerous. Sorry, not buying the pro-homosexual arguments one bit...for they are just full of contradictions

[walterygor]

@funk7000

I agree with you 100%

I just don't get it. They object to homosexual people wanting to change their sexual orientation on the basis that homosexuality isn't something that needs to be fixed; but they support sex-change operations???

If homosexuality is so normal and natural, why would anyone need to change their genitalia???

They never talk about that...

[suvariboy]

@walterygor Gays and lesbians don't feel the need to "change their genitalia" - those people are called transgender. The reason why "they never talk about that" is because it's not the same thing. I am gay. I was born gay. I could have chosen to live in the closet, get married and live a duplicitous life but instead I chose to live an honest and open life.

[walterygor]

@suvariboy

With all due respect, I am pretty sure that some trangenders do feel atracted to people of the same sex. Those are the ones that I was talking about in my previous post. They feel that they are men or women traped in the wrong body so they have an operation to fix that. Well others would rather have therapy to change their sexual orientation. I think that both groups have the right to deal with their problem however they prefer. That is my point.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor again, gender identity is unrelated to sexual orientation. I personally know a man who changed to a woman. She was a lesbian trapped in a man's body and is now legally married to another woman in Canada as a same sex couple. You seriously are clueless aren't you? The ONLY reason that gay people accept transsexuals into our group is because the ignorant asshole straight people of the world (I'm talking to YOU) don't accept them.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor god, you are so fucking stupid, I can't even comprehend what goes on in your tiny heterosexual brain. Something tells me I don't even want to know. I'm a gay man, and I was born that way. I'm proud of who I am and have no desire to be like you, TRUST me on that! I'll leave it at that.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor by the way, did you know that science has proven that gay men have larger brains than straight men? It was a 2008 Swedish study which proved this. Google this:

What the Gay Brain Looks Like, by Alice Park, time com, 2008 I'm so happy that you have confirmed this using an unscientific method.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor homosexual males also outperform heterosexual males at tests involving cognitive and verbal skills, again demonstrated beautifully here on youtube by comparing the comments of heterosexual and homosexual men.

[lisztnut]

@suvariboy good for you! You and I are exactly on the same page. I wake up every day proud of the fact that I was born gay, and I thank Jesus I wasn't born heterosexual and stupid, like most of the idiots on our planet!

[lisztnut]

@walterygor please tell us what sex-change operations have to do with homosexuality. You are confusing gender with sexual orientation. That's two very different things. I see that you have lots of confusion regarding homosexuality and I feel very sorry for you. Gender confusion has nothing to do with homosexuality, idiot. And, 7000 animals exhibit homosexual behavior so YES it's normal and natural.

[walterygor]

@lisztnut Some trasgender people DO feel atracted to people of the same sex, so in such cases, homosexuality DOES have something to do with their decision to undergo a Sex-Change operation.

You should know that...

[lisztnut]

@walterygor my POINT is that sexual orientation and gender identity are two completely different concepts. The vast majority of homosexuals have no interest, whatsoever, in being the opposite gender. This is something that ignorant heterosexuals, such as yourself, simply don't understand. I'm a man, and I'm attracted exclusively to men.  The concept of anything feminine is foreign to me, and I'm quite sure that If I exhibited ANY feminine characteristics my husband wouldn't have married me.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor incidentally, most cross dressing men, in other words men who like to dress as women (not transsexuals) are heterosexual men. FACT! When gay men dress as women it is again commonly misunderstood by ignorant heterosexuals. It is usually meant as a way to humiliate women and make fun of them. It is not that gay want to BE women. That's why gay men go out of their way to make themselves look ridiculous as women with exaggerated female characteristics.

[walterygor]

@lisztnut I don't know why you´re giving me facts about cross dressing men, when I´m talking about transgender people. Again, I understand that Transgender doesn´t necesarily equal homosexual, but in somtimes it is the case. Some (not all) Transgender people DO experiment same sex atraction.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor just curious, do you use the term "opposite sex attraction" in regards to heterosexual people? I once "experimented" with opposite sex attraction, and realized it was wrong for me. I was born gay, and will die gay, and I'm very proud of who I am. I have no regrets in my life. How many people can say the same? I find it amusing that you would single out gay people and refer to our innate sexual orientation, which we are BORN with, as a "lifestyle" or "same sex attraction."

[lisztnut]

@walterygor see, I can see through your thinly disguised bigotry. By using terms such as "lifestyle" and "choice" and "same sex attractions" you are trying to place gay people into a category of being "different' and an 'us versus THEM" mentality. Why do you use different terminology when referring to gay people as opposed to straights? If you think sexual orientation is a choice, then heterosexuals have a "chosen lifestyle of "opposite sex attractions."

[lisztnut]

@walterygor what I find especially interesting is that far more gay people have experimented with "opposite sex attractions" than have straight people experimented with 'same sex attractions.' Do you know why? It's because heterosexuality is thrust down our throats since birth, and gay people feel required at some point to participate in heterosexual behaviors. It's not natural to us, and it disgusts many of us, but at least we "try" it just to conform. Have you tried "same sex attractions?"

[lisztnut]

@walterygor it's a classic case of the minority getting bullied by the majority into thinking that if they don't behave as the majority they will be rejected. Society is also dominated by right handed people (95 percent of the population is right handed) and at one time left handed people were rejected and often forced to try to live a "right handed lifestyle." It usually doesn't work, and the person remains left handed and they attempt to be proficient using their right hand.

[walterygor]

@lisztnut I think you are going off topic here. My original post was about giving homosexual people the right to undergo therapy IF AND ONLY IF, they desire it. If someone is happy being a gay person that's fine too.

It's about rights...

[lisztnut]

@walterygor would you recommend a straight person undergo therapy if they desire to "become" gay? Just curious. I agree it's about basic civil rights, and to deny gay people our civil right to marry the person we love is immoral. Opposing gay marriage is wrong, and anyone who does so is a bigot. It's simple, actually. So, just wondering if you consider people who would go from straight to gay a "cured' heterosexual.

[walterygor]

@lisztnut Excelent question! (I mean it) and I´m gonna b honest with U. I wouldn´t recomend it, but I would respect somebody´s right to do so. Now, truth of the matter is that homosexuality is not a choice, but it´s not natural either. Identical twins share the exact same DNA, and yet there are many cases in which only one of them turn out to be a homosexual. I object to discrimination based on sexual orientation, but I do think that homosexuality could be treated if desired.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor well, there's a couple of problems with your statement, and I have science on my side. You do not. No. 1 homosexuality is as natural as the sky. In fact, 7000 species of animals are documented as being homosexual and mating with same sex partners. No. 2 if you think homosexuality is treatable, then any logical person would assume that heterosexuality is also treatable. No. 3 the identical twins point you made proves nothing. Sexual orientation is more complex than DNA.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor the heritability of homosexuality is actually greater than that for left handedness. I will also point out that the study of genes is in its infancy, and that it took until 2006 for scientists to locate a gene for eye color. Therefore, there is certainly a good chance that a gene for sexual orientation will be located. And, for everything you say about homosexuality, the same claim can be made for heterosexuality. Is it an illness to be straight? Perhaps.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor I have to laugh at the arrogance of heterosexuals. First off you assume that because there is a gay population which differs from you in our "tastes' or "attractions" as you call them, that this indicates some kind of "flaw" in gay people. Nothing is further from the truth. To be honest with you, I cannot wrap my brain around any male finding a female sexually attractive. In fact the sight of a naked woman is disgusting to me.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor the fact that heterosexuals (particularly heterosexual men) can't understand how a gay man can be physically attractive smacks of a very limited intelligence and cognitive skills. Just because I, as a gay man, can't comprehend how a man can find a woman sexually appealing, does not mean that I can't at the same time realize that some humans are just wired that way, and it's not your fault nor choice. Understand where I'm coming from?

[lisztnut]

@walterygor "Physical orientation and sexual orientation are not moral issues, and majority / minority phenomena in nature do not involve natural versus unnatural categories. The exceptional in nature is still natural, whether the exception is left-handedness or the homosexual orientation of erotic desire." D. Michael Quinn, ex-Mormon and former professor at Brigham Young University.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor one more point, apparently you misunderstand the word "natural." If you look it up in the dictionary you will find that the word means "exists in nature." Since humans and animals have been homosexual since the beginning of recorded time, and animals ARE a part of nature, then homosexuality is just as natural as is heterosexuality. It might not be natural to YOU to be attracted to males, just as it isn't natural to ME to be attracted to females. Understand?

[walterygor]

@lisztnut Believeme! I understand what U´r trying 2 say. In fact, I knew U would throw such observations. The word "natural" does´nt relate only 2 things "nature-produced", but also to "normalcy". Ex: a child born with 3 legs is something "nature-produced"; but it´s not "natural". Human beings are supposed to have only 2. No one would object to that child wanting an operation 2 have his third leg removed, eventhough it was "created naturally". (see what I mean?)

[lisztnut]

@walterygor I see your confusion, and can easily clear it up. The quote I provided from the ex-Mormon professor said it nicely, but let me reiterate his point. You have confused "majority" for "natural" and "normal." Just because the majority of people are right handed, does this mean that left handedness isn't natural or normal? Just because most people don't have red hair, is being red headed "unnatural" or "not normal?" HELL NO! Got it?

[lisztnut]

@walterygor see, your mentality of what constitutes the norm, or natural is what led to discrimination based on skin color, gender, and sexual orientation. The majority orientation ALWAYS wants to subjugate and control the minority. The history of the world is replete with examples of this. Just look at the way women were traditionally treated, and blacks in our own society, and Chinese people in Japan. There's no end to it. What about Catholics in Protestant countries?

[lisztnut]

@walterygor see you continuously dwell on the false belief that being homosexual is some sort of flaw, when it is not true. Being homosexual is no more a flaw than is being left handed or red headed. Got it?

[walterygor]

@lisztnut Forgiveme, but that is your opinion, and I respect it. My opinion is different. I don't believe that people choose to be homosexual, but I don't believe they are born that way. When science is able to prove the contrary, beyond any doubt, then I would believe it, but I´m sure that day will never come. I think that therapies as the one suggested in this video will become more popular. What they explained here makes a lot of sence.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor here's the interesting thing, my opinion is supported by science, and your opinion isn't. My opinion is based on the study I've done into sexual orientation, and everything I've read points to BIOLOGICAL causes for both heterosexuality and homosexuality. Therefore, I'm sorry to say you are just misinformed. Science indeed proved decades ago that sexual orientation is not chosen and is not changeable. This Dr. Nicolosi is nothing more than a religious nut.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor once again, I have a question for you. If you believe that "therapy" can change someone from gay to straight, do you believe that therapy could change YOU from straight to gay? This is a legitimate question, because all too often ignorant straight people assume that we gay people want to be like you, when nothing is further from the truth. I am thankful I was born gay, and my sexuality has blessed my life 1000 times over. Not to mention that I have better sex more often!

[lisztnut]

@walterygor please see your inbox for an article on why therapy to turn someone from gay to straight is not supported by real science.

[walterygor]

@lisztnut I red the article. I am aware of the fact that the scientific comunity is divided because of this issue. They say "there's no evidence that these type of therapy can help change sexual orientation". Well that reminds me of movie called LORENZO'S OIL in which medical authorities were proven wrong. (It's a well documented TRUE story). Sometimes it takes brave people to dare take the risk to convince scientists. The woman in this video seems pretty honest in her testimony.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor as I said before, you will find quacks that make all sorts of complaints. If you had a brain you would realize that the same "therapy" that is supposed to "turn someone straight" could also work the reverse and turn someone gay. It's nonsense. You can convince anyone of anything when it comes to mindgames, but the vast majority of "ex-gays' who attempted to "convert" to straight have been unsuccessful. Visit this website for proof: beyondexgay com

[lisztnut]

@walterygor let's make this personal. Do you honestly believe that if a therapist showed you enough naked pictures of men and tried to convince you that women were disgusting, would it change you to gay? After all, this is the very type of techniques this quacks use when they try to "convert" gays to straight. It's stupidity to think that this would actually change your innate orientation. It's not possible.

[walterygor]

@lisztnut Well, you call it "innate orientation", but that is precisely the point. Some people do not believe that homosexuality is innate, but rather the result of psicological trauma created in the family environment. What the woman in this video explained sounds very very logical and I don't think she is lying at all. Do you?

[lisztnut]

@walterygor sorry, but NOBODY in the scientific community believes that sexual orientation is a result of trauma. Where did you get that nonsense from? I've already posted for you the statements from the experts on this. Trauma is NOT the cause of sexual orientation, so just get that silly notion out of your head now, because it's completely false and has been disproved.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor so, even on its face value this is a silly notion. Are we to assume that a woman is made heterosexual because she had trauma from another woman? The notion that a gay man is gay because he was abused by a man and a lesbian is gay because she was abused by a man simply makes no logical sense. It's stupid. Do you use that brain you have? At ALL?

[lisztnut]

@walterygor so, let's follow through on YOUR logic here. In order for you to be a heterosexual, it means that a woman abused you as a child, and you are attracted to women. In order for a woman to be straight, it means a man abused her, correct? So, a gay man is abused by another man, and that makes him gay, BUT, here's the flaw, a lesbian should be STRAIGHT using this logic, because she was abused by a man. Oh dear, it's not adding up and I'm confused as ever! YIKES!

[walterygor]

@lisztnut This is very OFF TOPIC, and I don't see how this is "my logic".

It´s not the abuse alone, it is also the conflictive relashionship between the parents and how the child interprets it.  Many other factors such Attachment Loss come into play, but the deficient relashionship with the same sex parent does play a role in gender identity. It's not as simplistic as you tried to make it seem.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor you must understand that this issue has been studied for decades now, and there is simply NO evidence that the relationship between parent and child or that childhood trauma plays ANY role in someone's sexual orientation. It is a matter of fact that the vast majority of children who are sexually abused are straight in their adult lives, even when it's a male molested by a grown man. Your theory and that of this ignorant woman on the video happens to have been proven wrong.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor gender identity has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual orientation. Get that through your head right now. I was born male, I was born homosexual. I am only attracted to men, and I have no issues surrounding my gender. I think man on man masculine sex is the hottest form of sex there is. And, there is nothing remotely feminine anywhere near my bedroom. I won't have it in my bed.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor just to be clear here, when I say that there is no evidence that childhood trauma or the relationships of parent to their children has nothing to do with sexual orientation, this is NOT my opinion. I'm stating the consensus of the entire mental health community when I say that. I repeat: there is NO evidence that trauma or relationship to one's parents plays ANY role in sexual orientation. This is an established fact.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor Here's what the experts have to say:

The American Academy of Pediatrics states:

"The current literature and most scholars in the field state that one's sexual orientation is not a choice; that is, individuals do not choose to be homosexual or heterosexual. There is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation,"

[lisztnut]

@walterygor . The Royal College of Psychiatrists states:

" Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person's sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. It is therefore not a choice."

[lisztnut]

@walterygor so, if you can present some EVIDENCE that the relationship of a child to its parents or childhood trauma, or molestation has ANY influence on sexual orientation, please present it now, because the EXPERTS claim there is NO evidence of it. I don't know how clearly they can state until you'll "GET IT." I have a hunch that you've been a purposeful troll on here, and I'm starting to doubt your sincerity. I doubted your intelligence a long time ago, and have not changed my opinion.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor the issue of development of an individual's sexual orientation has been studied for at least a century now, and so far there is NO evidence that whatever this woman is saying about sexual orientation being due to trauma or relationship to one's parents plays ANY role in it. Isn't it time for you to accept the fact that these people are religious bigots who have an "agenda" to convince people that they are "changing" people's orientation, when in fact this is not possible?

[walterygor]

@lisztnut That depends on whose studies you read. Besides, by the same can be said about homosexuality being innate: NO SCIENTIFIC AND CERTIFIED EVIDENCE whatsoever. Also, in this video we have the opinion of this woman who happens to be a christian, but we also hear the opinion of the psicologist.....a scientist.  So obviously not all members of the scientific community see eye to eye on this issue. Again, what they present here makes a lot of sense to me.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor sorry, but you're being ignorant again, and I don't appreciate it. I have posted multiple times on here the PROOF that sexual orientation IS innate and that all of the experts in the field admit that. They even go further and make the statement that sexual orientation cannot be changed. You're just being stupid now, and wasting my time. If you have something intelligent to say, then say it. Otherwise, this conversation is long ago over.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor The Royal College of Psychiatrists states:

" Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person's sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. It is therefore not a choice."

[lisztnut]

@walterygor Human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether or not to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.

American Psychological Association, Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality, July 1998

[lisztnut]

@walterygor The National Library of Medicine publications confirm that sexual orientation is natural, biologically induced in the first trimester of pregnancy, morally neutral, immutable, neither contagious nor learned, bearing no relation to an individuals ability to form deep and lasting relationships, to parent children, to work or to contribute to society. From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor as I said, those are the TOP experts in this field, who completely concur that sexual orientation IS innate, and it is NOT changeable, and NO childhood trauma, or poor parenting skills have ANY impact on sexual orientation. I don't know how many times I need to post this before you accept that you are wrong. I REPEAT IN BOLD LETTERS: EVERY TOP MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION AGREES THAT SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS INNATE AND IMMUTABLE.

[walterygor]

@lisztnut Please direct me to the sites where I can validate what you are telling me. I know that at best, mental health organizations agree that homosexuality is not a psicological problem, but I doubt very much that any of them would go as far as saying it is innate. THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM. Besides, how would you explain the sexuality of pedophiles, necrophilia or zoophilia? They don't choose to feel that way, so is that innate aswell? NO! 

[lisztnut]

@walterygor yes, scientific organizations indeed state that sexual orientation IS innate, and the Catholic church agrees with that, incidentally. There is mountains of evidence that sexual orientation is innate, and the biological clues are staggering. They extend from the sense of smell that differs between gays and straights, to the way people's hair is arranged to the length of our fingers and length or our penises, to size of our brains. These all differ in straights and gays.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor the other forms of sexuality you refer to are NOT sexual orientations. In fact, most pedophiles are heterosexual. Zoophilia and necrophilia are obviously not orientations, either and they HARM people/animals. Homosexuality does not harm. Perhaps humans don't choose to be pedophiles, but science seems firm in saying that nobody is born a pedophile. Most pedophiles are in adult relationships with women and they are almost exclusively men.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor there are very, very, very, very few cases of women being attracted to children.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor did you know that the genetic connection to male homosexuality is higher than that of female homosexuality? In other words, there is a higher chance of male homosexuality running in families than female homosexuality. Also, there are twice as many gay men as gay women. These statistics are fascinating to me.

[walterygor]

@lisztnut The fact that there is a higher chance of male homosexuality does not prove that it is genetic.

If anything, this fact actually supports what Dr Nicolosi is saying in this video, since most broken homes lack a father figure and boys are forced to grow without a male role model. something to think about...

[lisztnut]

@walterygor have you read what I sent you? Apparently not, so here goes again:

Is it a Choice? The Science of Sexual Orientation, libertyeducationform org Until you've read it, I'm not really interested in interacting with you, because you continue to make stupid comments. Dr. Nicolosi is NOT a respected medical person, and has actually been removed from the APA because his work is not supported by science.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor and, here's something to think about: not only was i NOT raised in a broken home nor did I have a father that was absent or not a role model, but my home life was extremely "traditional" in the sense that my father is an Evangelical minister, who loved me as much as I was loved by my mother. I am FAR closer to my father than to my mother, and always have been. Sorry, but I couldn't relate to the activities of my mother (sewing, cleaning, house work and cooking).

[lisztnut]

@walterygor my parents live 2500 miles away from me. When I call them, I usually talk to my father far longer than to my mother. Somewhere in the middle of our conversation they both will be on separate phones talking with me, and she will disappear and I'll continue to talk to my father ONLY. My father is the ONLY member of my family that I felt comfortable with to tell that I had married another man. My mother does not know to this day, and we decided to keep it that way.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor so, if Dr. Nicolosi had come out and said that gay men were not close to their mothers, but were closer to their fathers and this environment "made" them gay, perhaps I'd start to listen to him, because that WAS the reality of my life, and still is. My mother often feels left out when my father and I talk, and I feel I can talk to HIM about anything, but NOT to her. Now, explain that. Something to think about for sure.

[lisztnut]

@walterygor and, my father was also the more physically affectionate of the two of them. He would kiss myself and my sister good night every thing to "tuck" us in when we were very small children.