OK, first off I'm a huge Ron Paul fan, and I know all the libertarians disliked this video....however I find this potential coup very very interesting...I'd have to do some research but the guys that wanted the coup were a.) totally against FDR's radical socialist keynseian New deal and b.) at least claimed to be wanting to restore the constitution and gold standard... so were this rebels constitutional patriots trying to restore America? Or simply fascists who felt left out? Very interesting
People should really watch the whole movie (The Corporation). It is a clear expose on the profit-above-all-else mentality of the modern corporate structure and the corruption of the nations.
@0gods the corruption of nations is due to the fact that politicians are corruptible and are willing to CHANGE THE LAWS through regulations, taxes, etc, to either get money from corporations or get elected by the majority. The majority is just as dangerous as corporations (or monarchies, dictatorships, etc) and any system of government that allows any human to change the law will have people willing to pay, or lobby to that human to change the law to favor them...
look, you're frightened of an ethnic Jewish Hebrew International Conspiracy orchestrated by Jews coordinated with the "Jew Federal Reserve", Marxists, Illuminati, Freemasons, Jewish Reptilian shape-shifting "corporatists", dwarves & the Harri-Krishnas".
just admit it, k? ........so we can stop this walking on egg shells and just get to the point of your paranoid psychiatric psychoses ...then we can put this sad episode behind us and move on with our remainders of the day.
@VampiressOnDaProwlq maybe that's why it's hard for you to understand someone's point... you're arguing against an argument that's not being made.. kinda, stuck arguing pre-conceived arguments. I don't care who's syphoning the free choice, liberty, and equity of americans; i just care that it stops.
"I don't care who's "syphoning" the free choice, liberty, and equity of americans; i just care that it stops."
so please, list who these specific groups of people & organizations are, that are "siphoning" free choice, "liberties" & "equity", from the "real Americans"
and also, tell me who you consider these "Americans" are, who have the "free choice", "equity" & "liberties" in danger of siphoning.
it's okay. dont be afraid to just come right out & answer. LOL
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Politicians (both sides) are responsible b/c of their power hungering and want of control. They want society to look and act and live like they want it to and since they have the power to change the rules unintended consequences (99% negative) are bound to happen. Business owners that are rich enough to get the attention of politicians also. And many corporate media outlets shepherd the people in circles to keep their lackeys in power who have power to keep syphoning...
@VampiressOnDaProwlq And every american paying taxes that are going to projects that the government have no authority to control, but that aren't being stopped b/c our schools (government run) don't even teach the children about the structure, role, and restrictions of government...
It never ceases to amaze me the spin the LIBERLOONS use to twist debate their way.
The only time laissez-faire was REALLY used was during the British industrial revolution, when, despite being great for the owners of British companies put the British working class into abject poverty.
You see, that's what happens when shareholders are deemed more useful than the people who actually build the bridges. The rich get to walk on them while the poor are made to jump from them.
@TheElasticJesusRez You goose! How can't you understand that during that period British Industrialist were also propped by their government with money taken from most of the middle class while the government made it extremely difficult from anyone in the middle class to elevate their own status by their own endeavor. There should've been NO ONE with the power to "DEEM" that some are more important than others. Governments should stay out of "steering" the economy in anyway or that's what happens
Let me explain the true definition of Middle-class:
Working-class: the majority who WORK for a living.
Middle class: landowners, doctors, lawyers, the intelligentia, economists and BUSINESSMEN who invented classic-liberalism and Laissez-unFAIR.
Upper-class: Monarchy.
Now, since the British middle-class invented LF, used LF, birthed the industrial revolution, and then went on to conquer 1/4 of the planet how the hell do you conclude their status wasn't elevated?
Let me remind you that at that point in history Britain was World Leader in just about everything and had the world's largest navy right up until the start of WW2.
Laissez-faire had enabled that to happen, not because it was a JUST way of doing business, but because it BEAT the HELL out of the British working class, who, because they had no rights, had to work for peanuts or STARVE to death.
Thank god laissez-unfair ended up in the dustbin of history.
i had the same strange limitation in allotted characters, as well, when i responded to Cogitiatio023.
i'm thinking he used an HTML script or Java script virus or other programming trickery slipped into his initial comments, on me so my responses would become like that.
close this vid, delete your temp internet files, cookies, history & reopen this page.
PM me if that doesnt work in fact PM me anyway.
i miss you & those "Young Frankenstein" funny eyes ; 3
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Indeed, if anyone wanted proof that the FUEDAL system is still alive and strong one only has to look at those selfish bastards who seek to IMPOSE their FREE will through the laissez-Fairy tale.
@TheElasticJesusRez the corruption of nations is due to the fact that politicians are corruptible and are willing to CHANGE THE LAWS through regulations, taxes, etc, to either get money from corporations or get elected by the majority. The majority is just as dangerous as corporations (or monarchies, dictatorships, etc) and any system of government that allows any human to change the law will have people willing to pay, or lobby to that human to change the law to favor them... not hard concept.
Alas when Jefferson was being swayed by John Locke he failed to recognise that FAIR and EQUAL was that afforded to middle-class English farming barons who through the Glorious Revolution wanted rid of James ll and any revertal to Catholicism.
LIBERTY & FREEDOM for the barons? YES.
LIBERTY for those working class Celts and Saxons who'd had their land stolen by the Norman FUEDAL barons? NO.
Did the FUEDAL system carry to the US? Oh yes, indeedy.
@TheElasticJesusRez The Fuedalism (your analogy) in america is an adolescent thing that was birthed by politicians with the same view point as socialists. It's no coincidence that the Corporatism (NOT capitalism) in America is funded and promoted by the same politicians that question aloud whether the constitution matters. This wasn't the intention, but since citizens are so eager to cede their own liberty to govt in hopes of getting other people's money this is where we are.
1. Socialism didn't exist at the time of Jefferson.
2. Since the US was founded on principles that were plagiarised from John Locke among others, and those ideas being the foundation of classic-liberalism and Laissez-faire, and since laissez faire ALLOWS for corporatism, then the blame lies squarely with the founding fathers.
It's about time you understood that the system you worship was simply a means to an end for the British barons who wanted to usurp James ll.
The LIBERTY that John Locke spoke of was the LIBERTY of the baronial class, those landowners which sought to rid Britain of Catholicism and replace it with their own Puritanical religion. So, it was never about the FREEDOM of RELIGION, the FREEDOM of the WORKING CLASS, it was about changing the seat of power.
Middle became top, top became middle, while those at the bottom - US & UK - stayed their same lowly selves, having to grovel for a living.
Socialism didn't arrive until the late 19th century, until Karl Marx - referencing the Industrial revolution and the plight of workers in Manchester, UK - decided to write a thesis on how to end the hardship of wage slaves who were exploited by the laissez-faire, deregulated system of the time.
Thomas Malthus said it was a 'desirable' side effect of classic-liberal economics that the poor should starve to death.
If that is the Aryan god you worship then god help you.
all Nationalist Fascists are Neo-Feudalists. he's a Neo-Feudalist, an Ultra-Conservative & a Nationalist. a particular economic "Young Frankenstein". ; D
@TheElasticJesusRez 1.) Socialism is an idea of a whole structure, and as a structure large pieces of what we call socialism has existed since the beginning of civilization.
2.) Liberties for everyone. Including landowners. Also for the liberty of the middle class which was huge simply b/c their principles allow for anyone in the middle class to use that freedom to ascend (or descend) based upon their own choices and not hindered/slowed by rules set by those with power.
@TheElasticJesusRez 3.) By Corporatism I mean this system of America that allows corporations to influence policy purely b/c the government has the power to control the rules of the economy, and businesses has the money to influence politicians. As long as people encourage a system where the government has the power to control markets then this will continue. Capitalism = unfettered markets where politicians can't influence the law behind the scenes. your fantasy is susceptible to corruption.
"Capitalism = unfettered markets where politicians can't influence the law behind the scenes. your fantasy is susceptible to corruption."
So you don't like Corporatism huh? You mean like Microsoft, Apple, (No monopoly there huh?) KFC, Boeing, MacDonalds, Walmart, Koch brothers who pay GOP reps to rubbish the science of Global warming, Fox News, Phizer, Exxon...
The banking crash happened because of UNREGULATION that you idiots hate but want when it SUITS you.
So what do you want. Regulation hating Republica to regulate the deregulated mess they caused because of deregulation?
You lot want your cake and you want to eat it.
BTW Socialised is how YOU PAY for the military, fire, police and all other public services. Quite useful isn't it...using socialised funded nukes to point at evil socialists?
good afternoon, mate ; ) lol. nicely done. but you're talking to a wall.
he doesnt give a shit of these public services, as he wants them all privatized as For-profit companies providing said services with a higher budget of advertising & administrative costs, additional fees & equipment upgrade costs, included in the higher prices passed onto customers. i think he needs to adjust his Funk & Wagnals.
you'll need to move to the next phase of argument. LOL
I've just spent the past 2 months talking to one such wall on one of the Margaret Thatcher threads (MT on Socialism) so I know exactly what you mean.
The user in question (fafura13) believes the best antidote to Soviet-styled oppression is Classic-liberalism.
In other words, it you don't like the acid on the left shelf, take the alkaline on the right. It will burn your stomach the same but who cares when your too anaesthetised to feel the pain.
yes, i'd give my $, also my fellow Rich's $ to Democratic citizens (not "others", as you coldly label)
Dem Socialist Govt is far more ethical, impartial & fair than the Rich, to monitor & regulate society & economics, to prevent the Rich pooling their private wealth together yet again to buy Govt, to turn it into a Totalitarian monopolistic-Capitalist Authoritarian Fascist tyranny, by the top 2% Rich Anglo-Saxon Protestant Elitist Privileged few spoiled brats.
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Democratic govt (purely democratic govt) is no less barbaric than a monarchy of the majority. In any system where anyone (1 king, or a majority of people) can determine what happens to any other individual's property against that person's will and for the king/majority's benefit is not only a form of greed, but destined to deteriorate into what we see into today's society. People spend more time, intelligence, and effort into devising ways to get someone else's wealthy than.
@VampiressOnDaProwlq (cont'd) ...than creating their own, or even trying to plan ahead in their own life.
Also, a capitalist, in true capitalism can't FORCE anyone to do anything. Unlike the society in your head where "extremely smart" people who just know what's best for each individual more than the individuals themselves dictate/legislate/mandate what the individual should do, and then punish the individual as a means of enforcement (i.e. Dem Socialist Govts) people have a choice in life.
@VampiressOnDaProwlq OTHERS, yes, any of those people. ANYONE who would trample any citizens' rights. "The People" IS NOT and CAN NOT be synonymous with the government. "Of the People" did not mean that the elected citizens would Lord over the electors.The representatives can't be allowed (like in your fantasy government) to decree what businesses succeed, or to dictate what citizens use for healthcare, etc. Professional politicians (six figure salaries!!) CAN NOT be considered "the people" b/c
@VampiressOnDaProwlq (cont'd) esp in Socialism, they ALWAYS sell control to the rich. Your fantasy government evolves into a form of totalitarian corporatism (like USA currently), not capitalism. This ISN'T what was intended. This is the result of decades of purposeful transformation. Transformation by those that just KNEW what everyone else needed. Transformation that just KNEW that individuals can't be trusted to look after themselves. Ethical?? IMPARTIAL?? Is the sky purple in your world?
@VampiressOnDaProwlq what you are your friend describes isn't capitalism whatsoever. It's Corporatism where since the elected officials has so much power over the rules of the economy the rich go to them to tweak the rules. This entire system STARTED with politicians that sold america to the tycoons in the 19th century, and that's what happens when any intellectuals and elites get together to decide what the country should look like instead of letting the country grow on it's on.
(CONT) Besides, the nazis claimed to be on the side of the middle class just like you and today's cronies claim. except you would give OTHERS power and we would have to watch as that power is year after year distorted back upon us to our detriment.
who are these "OTHERS" of whom you refer? Jewish Marxist Intellectuals" "Jewish Internationalist bankers"? "Jewish Reptilian Shape-shifters from Niburu"? "Jewish Cultural Marxists"? Jewish Banker Elites"? "inferiors"? "genetic weaklings"? "immigrants", "foreigners"?
non-white people? democratic-minded people who care about equal and reasonable free society & a Govt of, by & for the ALL the people, not just the Few privileged Rich?
for supposedly being a PhD in history, you sure leave yourself open to lots of quickly articulated simplistic criticism, theory hole-punching, generally sarcastic irreverent mockery & common predictable word usage parody. LOL
just an observation.
but please, do carry on, with your on & on repetitive schpeal on ...what was it again?
coercive Govt picking on the Rich spoiled nannygoats, that endangered species called "job creators" laying golden eggs, undisturbed?
Free Market Capitalism and all economic models are collectives. that is what any economic structure is, a financial structure organized economically to serve society. lol
@VampiressOnDaProwlq and that is where you fail once more. Capitalism is a economic structure where no individual would have to bend to the collective. Not to serve society, but to serve oneself (or whomever you CHOOSE to serve). the economic system you would promote is nothing more than discrimination as an attempt to make another demographic (in this case the rich) the hamsters in the wheel to support the rest of society. Sick. Fair means the same RULES for everyone, not the same results.
Free Market Capitalist is an economic "collective", a "collectivist" forcing the individual to bend to ITS will, no less so, than any Democratic Socialist economic "collectivist" structure, in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Austria or France or UK.
all varieties of economic models and organized financial structures ARE "collectives, you nudnik glupova glavata ignorami. lol.
your sneaky terminologies from Cato Institute crumble to intellectual scrutiny.
aww ...the poor baybee predatory sadistic cutthroat, brutal Privileged Few spoiled brat hamsters running the wheels busting their furry butts, to benefit the rest of society? the horror!
awww ...poor wittle Corporate CEO, Executives & upper manager hamstahs, having to work themselves to the bone dying young, with no healthcare or help from anybody, on their own (missing their golf games & yacht parties, no less) helpless to brutality.
there can be no Fascism, without a weakened ineffective pseudo-democratic filibustered dead Govt and a deregulated "Free Market" to let the Rich take over the Govt & society completely, to privatize all services & implement Right-wing Ultra-Conservative policies. (see my comments to "Thesilver11000")
how interesting, to hear Hitler's, Goerring's, Himmler's, Ichmann's, Goebbels', Hess' & Brunner's words so clearly, hauntingly familiar contained within your hateful sentiments against the Sick & Poor & "giving to the poor", even after all these yrs, it's chilling to hear Nazi sentiments to vividly.
you know not of what you speak.
you're but a naive child.
you know nothing ...and *nothing*!
you know not, the history of that time, the agonizing struggles of WWII!
@VampiressOnDaProwlq says the vampire to the History major getting his PhD..... Hmm, if one really did know what they spoke one would understand that certain people in history has all used similar words to achieve completely different ends. Fascists used some money, yes, but mainly it used force. Just listen to the words you used to me. You would advocate government control. meaning that the government for some reason has the power to compel citizens for it's on ends..
i already have my masters in history. shall we childishly joust now who possesses better academic credentials? lol
it's not *quantity* (degree of credentials), the height of your ascent (on paper, i.e. B.S.,M.S.,Ph.D) nor is it *authority* (what ivy league university) that's important.
but rather, the higher *quality*, the thorough accuracy & substantive nature of said education, that's particularly relevant to a Historical well of expert knowledge authenticity.
after the Rich Elitist Anglo-Saxon powerful Protestants pool their vast $ cartels of private wealth together, they use treacherous strategies to weaken, discredit & undermine effective democratic Govt legislative body (gridlock/filibusters) till the Govt republic's components are weak & ineffective.
the Rich WASPs then buy elections, using pooled $, implement Right-wing policies, takeover (purchase) society & privatize Govt services ...authentic Fascist tyranny.
Fascism never took over from already democratic Govt, if it was doing its job properly, regulating the Rich, most powerful in society, to prevent them pooling their vast $ cartels to take over, by buying Govt to then make it, this "controlling Govt" of Fascist.
Fascism, by nature, is a reaction by the Rich, to protect their wealth, using a Right-wing Ultra-Conservative "traditional culture" resurgent backlash, against all things ...Democratic & multicultural.
Socialists are always Internationalists, meaning for Socialism & cultural interaction, across all ethnic & International borders.
multicultural ...for appreciating different ethnic cultures learning from each other, united together in equality & common efforts for progress ...partially to specifically fight Racism & Nationalism.
but Socialists are passionately anti-Free Trade, anti-Globalists.
Socialists are Protectionist, for each separate country's Labor rights.
Fascism is a weak Govt dominated by the Rich & business, filling a power vacuum of a weak democratic legislature, privatized Govt, just another tool of Capitalism.
Govt Inc. Capitalist Govt (Fascism)
Govt structured as a business, with CEO as dictator, instead of democratic Govt.
Govt with a business budget & Debt, instead of a Deficit for citizens.
in a company, employees have no rights, cant criticize the CEO or else get fired.
so, yes ...Fascism *does* use Govt apparatus ...State & private wealth, together.
but Fascism is *always* the Top 2% private property Libertarian Conservative Rich, waging "the upper-hand" over a privately owned controlled, weak obedient Govt legislature, ie "Citizens United" ...buy Govt "debt" "bankrupted" public treasuries, a privatized very brutal Capitalist Tyranny, so Gov becomes a mere tool of the Rich, like a spoiled child's new cool toy ...Govt Tyranny, Inc.
Fascism, is ..in actual fact, a more tyrannical, aggressive form of Free Market Capitalistic cutthroat Social Darwinist survival, advocating ...Class Income Inequality, traditional Conservative values
..."personal responsibility" for Working peasants
but "individual liberty" ...only for the Privileged to sadistically, unscrupulously prey on the struggling citizens, with impunity, above the law, workers used & abusively injured, as mere surplus game pieces/play toys.
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Indeed. Fascism calls for a merger of corporate power and the government. In Ameica today we are seeing that the corporate powerful private interests ie banks, wall street, the deriviative gamblers and the hedgfund crooks. corporations and their share holders are dominant anf the federal government is a weakened servant to them.
@waterhead001 Wrong, You do not get a weakened government from fascism. You get a strong centralized authority. Under capitalism the corporations would no be allowed to control you.
so ...Fascist is ..in actual fact, the most treacherous Free Market Capitalist cynical Right-wing reactionary Feudalistic backlash by Right-wing sadistic bullies, against modern progressive Egalitarian Intellectualism ..to protect the Rich, Inheritance Class Privilege, private property "rights", wealth consolidation & Aristocracy.
Fascism ...actually, is a more tyrannical, aggressive version of Capitalistic cutthroat "survivalist" Free Market competition, (cont'd)
(cont'd) Fascism is ...a Free Market Capitalist, backlash against real Compassion, Equality & ...all things, Socialist.
Fascism ..is a rational reaction by the Rich, to PREVENT their wealth, Class Privilege & luxuries ...being TAXED ..to fund Universal Healthcare (only accessible to the Rich, currently) any help for the "weaklings", the "despised, dispossessed", the "freeloaders", "welfare queens", the "looters", "human debris" Working Class & Middle Class (cont'd)
(cont'd) Fascism is ...a Free Market Capitalist, populist backlash against sincere Compassion, Equality & ...all things, Socialist.
Fascism ..is a rational reaction by the Rich, to protect their wealth, Class Privilege & luxurious 4-7-star Hotel extravagance from being diminished even slightly ..by Taxes funding the highest quality most advanced AMERICAN medical technologies & easily accessible Universal Healthcare (only accessible to the Rich, currently) (cont'd)
(cont'd) Fascism is ...a Free Market Capitalist, populist backlash against Democratic policies, sincere Compassion, Equality ...all things Socialist.
Fascism ...is a rational reaction by the Rich, to protect their vast wealth & class privilege & Olympian luxurious extravagance from being diminished even slightly ..by Govt assistance ...for low Income, the chronically Sick, 97% genuine welfare recipients, high quality lowcost European-style Public Education, (cont'd)
Fascism is violently anti-Left ...a Right-wing Ultra-Conservative Nationalistic traditional cultural resurgence
...a Free Market Capitalist, populist backlash against Democratic philosophies, Equality & ...all things Socialist.
Fascism ...actually, is a rational reaction by the Rich, to protect their vast wealth, Class Privilege & Olympian god-likened luxurious extravagant luxuries from being diminished even slightly or touched at all, by Higher Income Tax (cont'd)
Much love to the truth produced by VampiressOnDaProwlq. Screw these proto-fascists denigrating the term libertarian. Ron Paul is a fascist plain and simple.
@LiberalBohemian That's right and he uses anti-state rhetoric too protect himself. Ron Paul is a fraud. I used to be a supporter. I started to have concerns about 10 months ago. After some careful research I was able to figure him out.
@LiberalBohemian Thank you:) It was his loyalty to the Austrian School of economics and I went from there. He is a shrewd politician, and has developed a loyal following. But he is duping them. If people did a little research on him they would see that there is another side to him. He is actually not a Libertarian in the Classical sence but a "Noe-Feudalist" with conferate leanings.
thank you kindly for your thoughtful insightful observations on Right-wing Libertarian Capitalists' disguised "Neo-Feudalistic" 19th century Gilded Age Fascist characteristics.
please continue commenting your valuable gems. ; )
i already read "Atlas Shrugged", twice (got a charliehorse neck pain from 2nd reading & recurring greed-themed nightmares)
i read "Fountainhead" 1.4 times (2nd time, Rand's erratic, migraine-inducing depictions of a 2nd character, reminded me of "Fight Club" (which i hate) & made me literally ipikak vomit, the chaptr i stopped at, made my eyes bleed.
3rd book i read, "We, the Living?" cant recall.
why would i criticize Rand without reading her books?
ok the video does not match the context of the message below it. Not once in the video is libertarian mentioned. Furthermore Ron Pauls position is to divorce the corporation from government so the courts can be impartial again so we can sue for damages and theft over the decades with a fair judge.
@sheltercrow The problem is that Democracy has always been hitched with the 51% rule... and that's what killed Socrates... not the direct or indirect nature of the voting.
57% believed that they should kill Socrates for blasphemy (and humiliating rich people).
It turns out to have been a bad decision... but 57% faith isn't very high faith.
75%... 80%... usually... if you can't get that much support... it's probably not a good idea =P
@sheltercrow Libertarianism is a knee jerk reaction against state abuse. It is not a consistent whole, rational theory... that's why there are so many types of "Libertarianism"
Libertarians must realize that if 80% of the population wants to have a welfare program... it MIGHT be a good idea. We don't play in abosolutes when we seek understanding.
But we feel in our gut that 51% is not high enough to do something like welfare or war or forced education or health care.
@ParrhesiaJoe In an citizen run state taxes are only used for the welfare of the citizens. In a corporate run state, like the US, taxes are only used for the welfare of the corporations. The "welfare programs" here are not for the benefit of the citizens. They are a cost of doing business. A corporate aggregate is providing for it's own welfare by diverting some tax revenues to purchase reduced labor unrest. A magnificent operation since the public thinks otherwise.
@ParrhesiaJoe First off this country is too large. A warped project of corporate ambition and empire hungry politicians. Citizens are no more than a tool for same. If you want more democracy you'd have to start by creating smaller independent states able to actually practice democracy. What we have now is a monstrosity. An extortion operation so large and powerful it's unassailable.
@sheltercrow 80% of libertarians are white... that means that the other 20% are what... dumb? Fooled?
The loudest members of every group are the ones that leave an impression on your mind.
90% of the republicans and democrats I talk to are "moderate" by their own definition... but those aren't the ones that everyone hears at a party or in a discussion.
Is this a fucking joke? This was a FASCIST coup .... It had nothing WHATSOEVER to do with libertarianism ... which didn't take shape until over 20 years after this happened.
It's quite obvious neo-fascist tendencies are evident in most all libertarian commenters. Friedrich von Hayek and Ludwig von Mises were both admirers of fascism.
"Where was the libertarian right during the great struggles for individual liberty in America in the last half-century? The libertarian movement has been conspicuously absent from the campaigns for civil rights for nonwhites, women, gays and lesbians."
Libertarianism really is incompatible with democracy.
@ParrhesiaJoe Simply do a search of "libertarianism fascism." Wikipedia is an Astroturf dream-scape for politics. Libertarians are violently opposed to anything not libertarian, and that's the point. The fact that the "libertarian movement has been conspicuously absent from the campaigns for civil rights for nonwhites, women, gays and lesbians" is undisputed. And there's that prickly fact of libertarian demographics and endorsements of neo-nazi and white supremacist groups.
@sheltercrow So, Libertarian Facism is facist... Libertarian Socialism is socialist. Conservative Facism would be facist, I assume.
These are just labels, but if you use the term to convey meaning, it should refer to the group of people that consider themselves libertarian... and not who their detractors want you to believe libertarians are.
It is a poor way to analyze anything. You cannot analyze conservatism, liberalism, socialism, communism, or anarchism in such a manner.
@ParrhesiaJoe Search engines work a little different than you imply. Main point... Neo-nazi and white-supremacists groups (and their "closeted" neophytes, a much larger group) find libertarianism, in large part, as the only party they identify with, and would vote for. Obviously a party consists of it's voters. Libertarianism's message and platform is problematic because it appeals, and is acceptable, to these groups.
@ParrhesiaJoe When I was growing up the only people I encountered that called themselves libertarian, to one degree or another, admired Hitler. A good many had an treasured collection of Nazi paraphernalia. They were all, without exception, racist. The new libertarians, however they might like to quote libertarian scripture, seem to be incapable of understanding that right-libertarianism also, incidentally, empowers racism.
@ParrhesiaJoe "but they respect the fact that partisan laws have always been used to the detriment of minorities." And just how do you "respect" laws "used to the detriment of minorities?"
@scottdaddy39 Honest? He is infamous for inserting earmarks for his district into bills that he knows will pass then votes against them so he can claim that he has never voted for a tax increase or spending increase. While that may be technically true, it is total and utter bullshit at the same time. Personally, I think all the nominees this go around suck ass, I hope Kucinich runs in 16. Peace.
@mojosideburns No you are wrong. He votes for none of the appropriations for earmarks but votes to get back the money for his district. He never denies this. He explains it is already appropriated and going to someone so he tries to get it back, but would prefer it never leave his state to begin with
@scottdaddy39 Favoritism to donors is not fascism, but politics. It's most definetly not liberalism, but very much conservative and as far from socialism as an ideology can be. RP is for doing away with the medicare that millions cannot live w/o. He is against regulation that keeps lead off of toys, saminilla out of peanut butter, and pharma from raising drug costs. Against keeping the definition of "organic" as is, to benifit corporate farmers and against consumer protection.
@GypsyMofakka youtube him and learn for yourself (his words only). Can't teach you in short para. RP wants to eliminate NO funds to medicare, ss, or any social program. Only one never voted for spending SS. Wants nobody made dependent out on street. Wants opt out OPTION for under 25. Make solvent by bringing home empire in 130 countries. Last sentence ridiculous. As well as first. If constitution returned, no Fed levers of power to buy. Fed has made food supply less safe. Go learn
@scottdaddy39 I have learned all about Paul from his own words. I know he thinks regulation that keeps consumers safe impedes on the "freedpm" of business and capitalism. I have heard all of his ideas and never heard of his plan. The Fed has nothing to do with salmanilla caused by filthy production environments, deregulation has everything to do with it. The free market has no interest in public safety, only profit. Selling unhealthy products and moving on is free market. Regulation is necessity
@scottdaddy39 Shining a light on Obama's ties to big corporations and cronyism are applauded by me. I'm no Obamabot. But to say that someone is fascist and socialist at the same time is contradictory. Fascism is not big gov't. Fascism is cutting all corporate tax to zero and pushing the burden on the worker. After racist remarls were written on a newsletter in his name, he first defended the words. Later he claimed someone else wrote it. Honest? Then there's his stance against civil rights.
Some B&W clips and a random word generator. Fascism? NEWSFLASH:
Goldman Sachs Controls the F ing world and Obama is their sock puppet. The banksters and the Fed designed this crash then got bailed out! They're printing and devaluing money to crash the dollar and go to one world tyranny. There is one champion fighting this. Ron Paul.
Past monopolies due to unique lack of competition and gov intervention. They don't protect you they choose winners who donate. Regulate and exempt their buddies.
The government just passed legislation stating they can imprison citizens without trial. They take naked pictures and molest people at airports and soon checkpoints are coming. They bomb people around the world for resources. I'll take my chances with the private sector, I can sue if they grab my genitals. I also don't fear Muslims. Just the government.
Creepy. RP is going to be exorcising the demons out in the open as he wins. Didn't watch all but the title is convoluted. The worst monopolies & bullies have been big business + gov which is fascism & what libertarians want to avoid by taking away the central levers of power. Bullies in the marketplace can eventually be taken down as they collapse under their own weight but their last trick is always buying the federal government to artificially remain big. RP wants to destroy those levers.
i know to whom you refer. "Jewish Bankers, "Jewish Internationalists", "Multiculturalists" and "Jewish Intellectuals"
but the real bullies, the rich predatory cutthroat Social Darwinist "let the Sick die" Germanic American White Protestant WASP bankers & CEOs "successful producers" are acceptable, huh? ...the gated-community inheritance Feudalistic luxury estate Right-wing Ultra-Conservative Nationalist, Hereditarian Capitalist pseudo-Libertarians are okay?
@VampiressOnDaProwlq The fact you called them out on their proto-anti-Semitic bullshit. It's rare to see people who understand what's going on with the Ron Paul supporters. So thank you for your work in the face of the hoards of proto-fascists on YT. Peace sister Lyssa.
bonjourno, mon petite cheri. ; ) remember me? that extraordinarily one that called out the Ron Paultards on their proto anti-Semitic Jewish conspiracy derivative bullshit?
i miss your comments. i was hoping to see more brilliance from you. ; 3
@scottdaddy39 Remove all regs and you also create a system in which a completely natural monopoly can and will occur. Bullies in the market place coming down of their own accord isn't neccisarily true. One can see what has occured else where and in the past.
The problem with right wing libertarianism is that there is just as much fraud in the private sector as there is in government. "So what your free to choose?" a libertarian says. Well, no you aren't. Your resources are limited by the time and the resources you have to choose (poor people have less), the fact that businessmen lie with the same regularity as politicians, and whether you belong to a clique which has insider information (like an exclusive club where businessmen meet).
@perdondaris Yes and Ron Paul supports strong laws against fraud. That's a regulation he supports.Aswe have it now,all of your precious regulators have facilitated all of the fraud.Free market is the toughest regulator.When a bank does stupid things they go bankrupt,end of story and the debt is liquidated. Now they just get bailed out, transfer their worthless assets to us, take a big bonus, and do it again.
Then they and gov write the next reg in response to problem they created.
This concept is 2 complex to discuss here on u-tube &we can't force ppl to think about these issues. Sadly,ppl r going to have to learn the hard way. US will fall & ppl will suffer A LOT b4 they wake up &realize w/the real problem is. Of course, then it'll be too late to turn things around.
IMO the prob is, many Rebubs &Libertarians don't understand how societies & govts are formed& how ppl interact w/ea other in communities.Many Libertarians r good-intentioned &if they took a few classes in sociology, psychology & political science, got a grasp on how ppl form societies &cultures& govts, most wd turn into democratic socialists.Govt regulation is nec over big business 'cuz money is power & big business is driven by profit & self-interest--regardless of the consequences 2society.
@PurrGrrl Exactly what I've said myself many times. They don't sem to understand the basics of how societies function and how everyone is interconnected and depends each other - without the others we would not survive.
@xexixk No the opposite is true. The libertarian wants individuals families and communities to interact and local government to be strong. Not Washington dictating and solving local issues. That is a tyranny nobody can escape. A "liberal" once said aren't we our brothers keeper?" I say yes and I can't help my brother because the king took my money and made bombs with it.
@scottdaddy39 One can look at other countries to see what happened when these libertarian economic ideas were tried. Chile has one of the highest rates on income inequality in the world (funny that Friedman who claimed to love liberty and freedom cozied up to Pinochet who killed and tortured his own people to stay in power), It also wrecked New Zealand. It seems libertarians like to talk about the constitution but ignore the parts of it they don't like, ie. the supremacy clause.
@scottdaddy39 It also seems that libertarians like to talk about the "tyranny" of the federal gov but are less concerned with tyranny carried out at the state or local level. That sort of attitude would have left us with a still segregated south. What they seem to want is a return to the failure that was the Articles of Confederation. As Madison wrote, a federal gov subservient to state govs would be like a body with the mind subservient to the limbs.
@xexixk Common misguided point.Most evocation of states rights has been good accept when cowardly federal government left slavery issues to states to avoid responsibility. One area the fed should have stepped in was slavery. This was a failure of men. Later segregation began by Fed Jim Crow laws which engrained segregation in our culture. Any position of power can attract tyranny. Bo and Luke Duke could barely contain Boss Hogg. But what if he were federal. Roscoe a Federal Marshal?
@scottdaddy39 The Jim Crow laws were not federal laws. They were state laws, otherwise segregation would have existed in ALL states. There were attempts prior to the civil rights era to pass federal anti lynching laws in congress but they always failed thanks to the southern memebers of congress. I supose you thinking states should be able to pass laws concerning what consenting adults can or cannot do in their bedrooms & the supreme court's ruiling in Lawrence vs. TX was an act of fed tyranny.
@xexixk People can protest all they want and until someone "at the top" takes notice that protesting will do no good. Look how many years it took to finally get full voting rights for women (again big bad feds not letting states prohibit women from voting).
@xexixk The fed gov should intervene in some matters of civil liberties. Protection of liberties is where they are supposed to intervene. They're should've been aggressive intervention with slavery and women early on. It'sfailure of men not the constitution that it hasn't been applied the right way at the right times and those failures are used in turn to discredit the constitution. Libertarians are not anarchists. That cellphone law is being discussed. Research it. Learn. Time is short.
@scottdaddy39 I'm not concerned about a ban on cell phones, it's been shown time and again how distracting even the handless devices are - it's conversation itself that distracts a drivers attention. The constitution doesn't so narrowoly define "intervention" as you do. In fact the supremacy clause says the federal const and federal law have supremacy. As for women, slavery and civil rights they all came about has society evolved.
@xexixk Hah. So the supremacy clause says the rest of the constitution which is a limiting document is null and void and the fed is just a supreme king? That simple huh?
Ha Ha Ha Ha!. You want the fed to regulate your personal conversations in your car. Talking is dangerous.That will make you feel safe and comfy from accidents. They track and listen enforce.Ha! maybe a camera in your house to keep you safe. Yes you are not Ron Paul material. I understand now. good bye
@scottdaddy39 If they wanted regulate your conversation then they would ban cell phones altogehter, being concerned about distracted drivers causing accidents isn't regulating conversations. Read the portion of the constitution detaling the role of congress, it's rather lengthy & much of it is rather vague. A myriad of laws vary from state to state - everything from speed limits to criminal penalties. This mantra so in vogue today about the fed controling every aspect of life is largely a myth.
@scottdaddy39 I find it interesting that RP get's so much support from some on the extremes of the right - read over the message boads on stormfront. David Duke has even spoken favorably of him. He refused to return the donation from a white supremacist leader and other suck people. All he says is "well I can't control what people think." No you can't control what they think, but you can repudiate their ideas. He seems to have no concern that he attracts support from such people.
@xexixk Are you serious? Every candidate up there has gotten major contributions from banks, weapons and petro... double standards.
And RP has repudiated the ideas of bigots his entire life.
There are welfare-statists, coporate statists, and those who believe that the state is RESPONSIBLE for slavery, and must come under MAJOR scorn for taking a century and a civil war to put things right.
@ParrhesiaJoe There would have been no slavery if the people in the country, or in large parts of the country didn't want slavery. Yeah Paul gives some vague statement about how he "can't help what others believe" when asked about the praise he's received from folks like David Duke. Never once repudiated his views or returned the donation he received from a white supremacist leader, Then of course their is the rather murky history of Paul's newsletters, which he handsomely profited from.
@xexixk Libertarians acknowledge that the OVERALL effect of state on minorities is HORRIBLE. Civil rights is a perfect example. The people of this country wanted protections for minorities. They had to picket in the street, get arrested, and undergo tremendous hardship for this MINOR correction of centuries of flaws. All good comes from the people. All evil comes from the state.
@ParrhesiaJoe Odd the draw that many in the neo-nazi & white supremacists camps have to Paul. Read the message board over on storm front, read the praise that David Duke has lavished on Paul. Yet Paul seems unconcerned to draw such support. Then of course their were Paul's newsletters that he profited from & now claims he has no idea who wrote them or what was in them (neither claim makes sense).
@ParrhesiaJoe 1/2 As for your claim that all good comes from people, all evil from the state. That is ridiculous & ignorant of history, a very simplistic view. By the logic then lynching, since it was carried out by private citizens was not wrong, but attempts by the fed gov to pass anti lynching laws in the decades before the civil rights era was evil. The gov of Georgia who intervened & sacrificed his own political career by doing so in the sham trial of Leo Frank was evil. but the men who
@ParrhesiaJoe 2/2 lynched him were virtuous since they were private citizens. The mob of angry whites trying to prevent the integration of Central HS in LIttle Rock were virtuous since they were private citizens but Pres Eisenhower was evil for sending in fed troops to enforce the order of the courts. That "individual always good & state always bad" thing is patently false. BTW Jim Crow laws existed in the south b/c that's what the majority of whites wanted. Paul also spoke against the CRA.
@xexixk Ur right. I believe the civil rights act of 1964 corrected that. I may be wrong.Ron Paul supported 9/10 of that.The Fed DOES have a roll in intervening in matters of liberty and should have sooner. That's their main duty. Unfortunately they now want to forbid you to use a handfree cell phone in ur car and track u to enforce it, check points and feel ur crotch, illegally search and eavel drop, redistributre wealth to their friends. Racecardism is so tired and stale.
@scottdaddy39 No one said that there are no problems in the country, I don't think RP zero regulations worldview is the answer. Actually he spoke against the CRA. As for phones in cars, I haven't heard anything about a ban on handfree phones. Hand held should certainly be banned, I was once rear ended by some teen texting while driving, utterly a stupid thing to do. However, studies have shown that handfree ones can be just as distracting, the conversation distracts attention.
redistribute wealth to their (Jewish) friends is what you mean.because Jews stick together and are an infection in govt and business, right? they're infecting the Fed.
your Fascist disguised euphemisms dont work on me or my associates. Xexixk, he's revealed his vulnerability, attack that tenderness. his exposed flank. his euphemism to disguise wanting Jews and "cultural Marxist" compassion for the underclasses stopped. i've painted the target for you.
@PurrGrrl A constitutionalist/libertarian underststands that power starts with the individual, then local community, state, then fed. Not the reverse. The more local the better responsive to community. People have better chance effecting local than Washington. So if power is more local then collectively the people have control. The statist want several hundred people to control 300million. Good luck with that.
If you live in the United States and are not a Libertarian you are free to leave at any time. May I suggest one of your paradise locations. Go ahead the world majority agrees with you so there must be plenty of destinations. I am sure air fare can easily be arranged.
OK, first off I'm a huge Ron Paul fan, and I know all the libertarians disliked this video....however I find this potential coup very very interesting...I'd have to do some research but the guys that wanted the coup were a.) totally against FDR's radical socialist keynseian New deal and b.) at least claimed to be wanting to restore the constitution and gold standard... so were this rebels constitutional patriots trying to restore America? Or simply fascists who felt left out? Very interesting
jayda5956 1 week ago
People should really watch the whole movie (The Corporation). It is a clear expose on the profit-above-all-else mentality of the modern corporate structure and the corruption of the nations.
0gods 1 week ago
@0gods the corruption of nations is due to the fact that politicians are corruptible and are willing to CHANGE THE LAWS through regulations, taxes, etc, to either get money from corporations or get elected by the majority. The majority is just as dangerous as corporations (or monarchies, dictatorships, etc) and any system of government that allows any human to change the law will have people willing to pay, or lobby to that human to change the law to favor them...
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
look, you're frightened of an ethnic Jewish Hebrew International Conspiracy orchestrated by Jews coordinated with the "Jew Federal Reserve", Marxists, Illuminati, Freemasons, Jewish Reptilian shape-shifting "corporatists", dwarves & the Harri-Krishnas".
just admit it, k? ........so we can stop this walking on egg shells and just get to the point of your paranoid psychiatric psychoses ...then we can put this sad episode behind us and move on with our remainders of the day.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq maybe that's why it's hard for you to understand someone's point... you're arguing against an argument that's not being made.. kinda, stuck arguing pre-conceived arguments. I don't care who's syphoning the free choice, liberty, and equity of americans; i just care that it stops.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
you did not answer my questions through a "yes or no".
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq there was no yes or no....
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
"admit it, k? " <-- yes or no
the list of things, people & groups you're frightened of.
you're supposed to say, yes or no, to each item on that list.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq that's an "OK" question-- not yes or no.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
"I don't care who's "syphoning" the free choice, liberty, and equity of americans; i just care that it stops."
so please, list who these specific groups of people & organizations are, that are "siphoning" free choice, "liberties" & "equity", from the "real Americans"
and also, tell me who you consider these "Americans" are, who have the "free choice", "equity" & "liberties" in danger of siphoning.
it's okay. dont be afraid to just come right out & answer. LOL
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Politicians (both sides) are responsible b/c of their power hungering and want of control. They want society to look and act and live like they want it to and since they have the power to change the rules unintended consequences (99% negative) are bound to happen. Business owners that are rich enough to get the attention of politicians also. And many corporate media outlets shepherd the people in circles to keep their lackeys in power who have power to keep syphoning...
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
the questions were, yes or no, a list in a series of, yes or no, for each item on the list.
you need to answer specifically and tell why you believe a specific group is siphoning. if not, i'll delete all your comments so far.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq And every american paying taxes that are going to projects that the government have no authority to control, but that aren't being stopped b/c our schools (government run) don't even teach the children about the structure, role, and restrictions of government...
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
It never ceases to amaze me the spin the LIBERLOONS use to twist debate their way.
The only time laissez-faire was REALLY used was during the British industrial revolution, when, despite being great for the owners of British companies put the British working class into abject poverty.
You see, that's what happens when shareholders are deemed more useful than the people who actually build the bridges. The rich get to walk on them while the poor are made to jump from them.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez You goose! How can't you understand that during that period British Industrialist were also propped by their government with money taken from most of the middle class while the government made it extremely difficult from anyone in the middle class to elevate their own status by their own endeavor. There should've been NO ONE with the power to "DEEM" that some are more important than others. Governments should stay out of "steering" the economy in anyway or that's what happens
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
Let me explain the true definition of Middle-class:
Working-class: the majority who WORK for a living.
Middle class: landowners, doctors, lawyers, the intelligentia, economists and BUSINESSMEN who invented classic-liberalism and Laissez-unFAIR.
Upper-class: Monarchy.
Now, since the British middle-class invented LF, used LF, birthed the industrial revolution, and then went on to conquer 1/4 of the planet how the hell do you conclude their status wasn't elevated?
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
Let me remind you that at that point in history Britain was World Leader in just about everything and had the world's largest navy right up until the start of WW2.
Laissez-faire had enabled that to happen, not because it was a JUST way of doing business, but because it BEAT the HELL out of the British working class, who, because they had no rights, had to work for peanuts or STARVE to death.
Thank god laissez-unfair ended up in the dustbin of history.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez
Laissez-faire ? you don't say (_!_)ol'e
PrairleDogged 1 week ago
@0gods
thanks for your support. LOL. look at my recent comments. ; D
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez
i had the same strange limitation in allotted characters, as well, when i responded to Cogitiatio023.
i'm thinking he used an HTML script or Java script virus or other programming trickery slipped into his initial comments, on me so my responses would become like that.
close this vid, delete your temp internet files, cookies, history & reopen this page.
PM me if that doesnt work in fact PM me anyway.
i miss you & those "Young Frankenstein" funny eyes ; 3
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq
Why thank you Ollie.
I want to reply with a better answer than the one I'm about to give, but it seems the lovely corporate Google is eager to restrict my comments to 200 ch...
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
You need to study more and preach less.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
Indeed, if anyone wanted proof that the FUEDAL system is still alive and strong one only has to look at those selfish bastards who seek to IMPOSE their FREE will through the laissez-Fairy tale.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
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@TheElasticJesusRez the corruption of nations is due to the fact that politicians are corruptible and are willing to CHANGE THE LAWS through regulations, taxes, etc, to either get money from corporations or get elected by the majority. The majority is just as dangerous as corporations (or monarchies, dictatorships, etc) and any system of government that allows any human to change the law will have people willing to pay, or lobby to that human to change the law to favor them... not hard concept.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
The same rules for everyone. LOL.
Alas when Jefferson was being swayed by John Locke he failed to recognise that FAIR and EQUAL was that afforded to middle-class English farming barons who through the Glorious Revolution wanted rid of James ll and any revertal to Catholicism.
LIBERTY & FREEDOM for the barons? YES.
LIBERTY for those working class Celts and Saxons who'd had their land stolen by the Norman FUEDAL barons? NO.
Did the FUEDAL system carry to the US? Oh yes, indeedy.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez The Fuedalism (your analogy) in america is an adolescent thing that was birthed by politicians with the same view point as socialists. It's no coincidence that the Corporatism (NOT capitalism) in America is funded and promoted by the same politicians that question aloud whether the constitution matters. This wasn't the intention, but since citizens are so eager to cede their own liberty to govt in hopes of getting other people's money this is where we are.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
1. Socialism didn't exist at the time of Jefferson.
2. Since the US was founded on principles that were plagiarised from John Locke among others, and those ideas being the foundation of classic-liberalism and Laissez-faire, and since laissez faire ALLOWS for corporatism, then the blame lies squarely with the founding fathers.
It's about time you understood that the system you worship was simply a means to an end for the British barons who wanted to usurp James ll.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
The LIBERTY that John Locke spoke of was the LIBERTY of the baronial class, those landowners which sought to rid Britain of Catholicism and replace it with their own Puritanical religion. So, it was never about the FREEDOM of RELIGION, the FREEDOM of the WORKING CLASS, it was about changing the seat of power.
Middle became top, top became middle, while those at the bottom - US & UK - stayed their same lowly selves, having to grovel for a living.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
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TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
Socialism didn't arrive until the late 19th century, until Karl Marx - referencing the Industrial revolution and the plight of workers in Manchester, UK - decided to write a thesis on how to end the hardship of wage slaves who were exploited by the laissez-faire, deregulated system of the time.
Thomas Malthus said it was a 'desirable' side effect of classic-liberal economics that the poor should starve to death.
If that is the Aryan god you worship then god help you.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez
all Nationalist Fascists are Neo-Feudalists. he's a Neo-Feudalist, an Ultra-Conservative & a Nationalist. a particular economic "Young Frankenstein". ; D
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez 1.) Socialism is an idea of a whole structure, and as a structure large pieces of what we call socialism has existed since the beginning of civilization.
2.) Liberties for everyone. Including landowners. Also for the liberty of the middle class which was huge simply b/c their principles allow for anyone in the middle class to use that freedom to ascend (or descend) based upon their own choices and not hindered/slowed by rules set by those with power.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez 3.) By Corporatism I mean this system of America that allows corporations to influence policy purely b/c the government has the power to control the rules of the economy, and businesses has the money to influence politicians. As long as people encourage a system where the government has the power to control markets then this will continue. Capitalism = unfettered markets where politicians can't influence the law behind the scenes. your fantasy is susceptible to corruption.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
What a load of BOLLOX!
"Capitalism = unfettered markets where politicians can't influence the law behind the scenes. your fantasy is susceptible to corruption."
So you don't like Corporatism huh? You mean like Microsoft, Apple, (No monopoly there huh?) KFC, Boeing, MacDonalds, Walmart, Koch brothers who pay GOP reps to rubbish the science of Global warming, Fox News, Phizer, Exxon...
WOAH! Your corruption is susceptible fantasy.
Keep taking the tablets.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
The banking crash happened because of UNREGULATION that you idiots hate but want when it SUITS you.
So what do you want. Regulation hating Republica to regulate the deregulated mess they caused because of deregulation?
You lot want your cake and you want to eat it.
BTW Socialised is how YOU PAY for the military, fire, police and all other public services. Quite useful isn't it...using socialised funded nukes to point at evil socialists?
LOL.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@TheElasticJesusRez
good afternoon, mate ; ) lol. nicely done. but you're talking to a wall.
he doesnt give a shit of these public services, as he wants them all privatized as For-profit companies providing said services with a higher budget of advertising & administrative costs, additional fees & equipment upgrade costs, included in the higher prices passed onto customers. i think he needs to adjust his Funk & Wagnals.
you'll need to move to the next phase of argument. LOL
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq
I've just spent the past 2 months talking to one such wall on one of the Margaret Thatcher threads (MT on Socialism) so I know exactly what you mean.
The user in question (fafura13) believes the best antidote to Soviet-styled oppression is Classic-liberalism.
In other words, it you don't like the acid on the left shelf, take the alkaline on the right. It will burn your stomach the same but who cares when your too anaesthetised to feel the pain.
TheElasticJesusRez 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
yes, i'd give my $, also my fellow Rich's $ to Democratic citizens (not "others", as you coldly label)
Dem Socialist Govt is far more ethical, impartial & fair than the Rich, to monitor & regulate society & economics, to prevent the Rich pooling their private wealth together yet again to buy Govt, to turn it into a Totalitarian monopolistic-Capitalist Authoritarian Fascist tyranny, by the top 2% Rich Anglo-Saxon Protestant Elitist Privileged few spoiled brats.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Democratic govt (purely democratic govt) is no less barbaric than a monarchy of the majority. In any system where anyone (1 king, or a majority of people) can determine what happens to any other individual's property against that person's will and for the king/majority's benefit is not only a form of greed, but destined to deteriorate into what we see into today's society. People spend more time, intelligence, and effort into devising ways to get someone else's wealthy than.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq (cont'd) ...than creating their own, or even trying to plan ahead in their own life.
Also, a capitalist, in true capitalism can't FORCE anyone to do anything. Unlike the society in your head where "extremely smart" people who just know what's best for each individual more than the individuals themselves dictate/legislate/mandate what the individual should do, and then punish the individual as a means of enforcement (i.e. Dem Socialist Govts) people have a choice in life.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq OTHERS, yes, any of those people. ANYONE who would trample any citizens' rights. "The People" IS NOT and CAN NOT be synonymous with the government. "Of the People" did not mean that the elected citizens would Lord over the electors.The representatives can't be allowed (like in your fantasy government) to decree what businesses succeed, or to dictate what citizens use for healthcare, etc. Professional politicians (six figure salaries!!) CAN NOT be considered "the people" b/c
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq (cont'd) esp in Socialism, they ALWAYS sell control to the rich. Your fantasy government evolves into a form of totalitarian corporatism (like USA currently), not capitalism. This ISN'T what was intended. This is the result of decades of purposeful transformation. Transformation by those that just KNEW what everyone else needed. Transformation that just KNEW that individuals can't be trusted to look after themselves. Ethical?? IMPARTIAL?? Is the sky purple in your world?
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq what you are your friend describes isn't capitalism whatsoever. It's Corporatism where since the elected officials has so much power over the rules of the economy the rich go to them to tweak the rules. This entire system STARTED with politicians that sold america to the tycoons in the 19th century, and that's what happens when any intellectuals and elites get together to decide what the country should look like instead of letting the country grow on it's on.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
(CONT) Besides, the nazis claimed to be on the side of the middle class just like you and today's cronies claim. except you would give OTHERS power and we would have to watch as that power is year after year distorted back upon us to our detriment.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
who are these "OTHERS" of whom you refer? Jewish Marxist Intellectuals" "Jewish Internationalist bankers"? "Jewish Reptilian Shape-shifters from Niburu"? "Jewish Cultural Marxists"? Jewish Banker Elites"? "inferiors"? "genetic weaklings"? "immigrants", "foreigners"?
non-white people? democratic-minded people who care about equal and reasonable free society & a Govt of, by & for the ALL the people, not just the Few privileged Rich?
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
for supposedly being a PhD in history, you sure leave yourself open to lots of quickly articulated simplistic criticism, theory hole-punching, generally sarcastic irreverent mockery & common predictable word usage parody. LOL
just an observation.
but please, do carry on, with your on & on repetitive schpeal on ...what was it again?
coercive Govt picking on the Rich spoiled nannygoats, that endangered species called "job creators" laying golden eggs, undisturbed?
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Cogitatio023
where do i get my information from? university academic curriculum (not Left-wing professors either, k? lol)
i get my history frm ...history books, historians, non-fiction
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Cogitatio023
look at my comments the last few pages to assisting in answering your questions.
you'll find i'm one of a few with vast economic knowledge. you only just met me. patience
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Cogitatio023
"collectivism" only being a Left, Democratic, Marxist, Socialist or Communist structure, is a myth.
and Free Market Capitalism, not being "collectivist" is distortion too.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Cogitatio023
Free Market Capitalism and all economic models are collectives. that is what any economic structure is, a financial structure organized economically to serve society. lol
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq and that is where you fail once more. Capitalism is a economic structure where no individual would have to bend to the collective. Not to serve society, but to serve oneself (or whomever you CHOOSE to serve). the economic system you would promote is nothing more than discrimination as an attempt to make another demographic (in this case the rich) the hamsters in the wheel to support the rest of society. Sick. Fair means the same RULES for everyone, not the same results.
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
Free Market Capitalist is an economic "collective", a "collectivist" forcing the individual to bend to ITS will, no less so, than any Democratic Socialist economic "collectivist" structure, in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Austria or France or UK.
all varieties of economic models and organized financial structures ARE "collectives, you nudnik glupova glavata ignorami. lol.
your sneaky terminologies from Cato Institute crumble to intellectual scrutiny.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
aww ...the poor baybee predatory sadistic cutthroat, brutal Privileged Few spoiled brat hamsters running the wheels busting their furry butts, to benefit the rest of society? the horror!
awww ...poor wittle Corporate CEO, Executives & upper manager hamstahs, having to work themselves to the bone dying young, with no healthcare or help from anybody, on their own (missing their golf games & yacht parties, no less) helpless to brutality.
aww ...me sad in my pants.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Cogitatio023
there can be no Fascism, without a weakened ineffective pseudo-democratic filibustered dead Govt and a deregulated "Free Market" to let the Rich take over the Govt & society completely, to privatize all services & implement Right-wing Ultra-Conservative policies. (see my comments to "Thesilver11000")
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
how interesting, to hear Hitler's, Goerring's, Himmler's, Ichmann's, Goebbels', Hess' & Brunner's words so clearly, hauntingly familiar contained within your hateful sentiments against the Sick & Poor & "giving to the poor", even after all these yrs, it's chilling to hear Nazi sentiments to vividly.
you know not of what you speak.
you're but a naive child.
you know nothing ...and *nothing*!
you know not, the history of that time, the agonizing struggles of WWII!
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq says the vampire to the History major getting his PhD..... Hmm, if one really did know what they spoke one would understand that certain people in history has all used similar words to achieve completely different ends. Fascists used some money, yes, but mainly it used force. Just listen to the words you used to me. You would advocate government control. meaning that the government for some reason has the power to compel citizens for it's on ends..
Thesilver11000 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
i already have my masters in history. shall we childishly joust now who possesses better academic credentials? lol
it's not *quantity* (degree of credentials), the height of your ascent (on paper, i.e. B.S.,M.S.,Ph.D) nor is it *authority* (what ivy league university) that's important.
but rather, the higher *quality*, the thorough accuracy & substantive nature of said education, that's particularly relevant to a Historical well of expert knowledge authenticity.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
after the Rich Elitist Anglo-Saxon powerful Protestants pool their vast $ cartels of private wealth together, they use treacherous strategies to weaken, discredit & undermine effective democratic Govt legislative body (gridlock/filibusters) till the Govt republic's components are weak & ineffective.
the Rich WASPs then buy elections, using pooled $, implement Right-wing policies, takeover (purchase) society & privatize Govt services ...authentic Fascist tyranny.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Thesilver11000
Fascism never took over from already democratic Govt, if it was doing its job properly, regulating the Rich, most powerful in society, to prevent them pooling their vast $ cartels to take over, by buying Govt to then make it, this "controlling Govt" of Fascist.
Fascism, by nature, is a reaction by the Rich, to protect their wealth, using a Right-wing Ultra-Conservative "traditional culture" resurgent backlash, against all things ...Democratic & multicultural.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@Cogitatio023
Socialists are always Internationalists, meaning for Socialism & cultural interaction, across all ethnic & International borders.
multicultural ...for appreciating different ethnic cultures learning from each other, united together in equality & common efforts for progress ...partially to specifically fight Racism & Nationalism.
but Socialists are passionately anti-Free Trade, anti-Globalists.
Socialists are Protectionist, for each separate country's Labor rights.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023
Fascism is a weak Govt dominated by the Rich & business, filling a power vacuum of a weak democratic legislature, privatized Govt, just another tool of Capitalism.
Govt Inc. Capitalist Govt (Fascism)
Govt structured as a business, with CEO as dictator, instead of democratic Govt.
Govt with a business budget & Debt, instead of a Deficit for citizens.
in a company, employees have no rights, cant criticize the CEO or else get fired.
a company is a private dictatorship
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023
so, yes ...Fascism *does* use Govt apparatus ...State & private wealth, together.
but Fascism is *always* the Top 2% private property Libertarian Conservative Rich, waging "the upper-hand" over a privately owned controlled, weak obedient Govt legislature, ie "Citizens United" ...buy Govt "debt" "bankrupted" public treasuries, a privatized very brutal Capitalist Tyranny, so Gov becomes a mere tool of the Rich, like a spoiled child's new cool toy ...Govt Tyranny, Inc.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023
Fascism, is ..in actual fact, a more tyrannical, aggressive form of Free Market Capitalistic cutthroat Social Darwinist survival, advocating ...Class Income Inequality, traditional Conservative values
..."personal responsibility" for Working peasants
but "individual liberty" ...only for the Privileged to sadistically, unscrupulously prey on the struggling citizens, with impunity, above the law, workers used & abusively injured, as mere surplus game pieces/play toys.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Indeed. Fascism calls for a merger of corporate power and the government. In Ameica today we are seeing that the corporate powerful private interests ie banks, wall street, the deriviative gamblers and the hedgfund crooks. corporations and their share holders are dominant anf the federal government is a weakened servant to them.
waterhead001 1 week ago
@waterhead001 Wrong, You do not get a weakened government from fascism. You get a strong centralized authority. Under capitalism the corporations would no be allowed to control you.
Cogitatio023 1 week ago
@Cogitatio023
so ...Fascist is ..in actual fact, the most treacherous Free Market Capitalist cynical Right-wing reactionary Feudalistic backlash by Right-wing sadistic bullies, against modern progressive Egalitarian Intellectualism ..to protect the Rich, Inheritance Class Privilege, private property "rights", wealth consolidation & Aristocracy.
Fascism ...actually, is a more tyrannical, aggressive version of Capitalistic cutthroat "survivalist" Free Market competition, (cont'd)
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023
(cont'd) Fascism is ...a Free Market Capitalist, backlash against real Compassion, Equality & ...all things, Socialist.
Fascism ..is a rational reaction by the Rich, to PREVENT their wealth, Class Privilege & luxuries ...being TAXED ..to fund Universal Healthcare (only accessible to the Rich, currently) any help for the "weaklings", the "despised, dispossessed", the "freeloaders", "welfare queens", the "looters", "human debris" Working Class & Middle Class (cont'd)
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023
(cont'd) Fascism is ...a Free Market Capitalist, populist backlash against sincere Compassion, Equality & ...all things, Socialist.
Fascism ..is a rational reaction by the Rich, to protect their wealth, Class Privilege & luxurious 4-7-star Hotel extravagance from being diminished even slightly ..by Taxes funding the highest quality most advanced AMERICAN medical technologies & easily accessible Universal Healthcare (only accessible to the Rich, currently) (cont'd)
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023
(cont'd) Fascism is ...a Free Market Capitalist, populist backlash against Democratic policies, sincere Compassion, Equality ...all things Socialist.
Fascism ...is a rational reaction by the Rich, to protect their vast wealth & class privilege & Olympian luxurious extravagance from being diminished even slightly ..by Govt assistance ...for low Income, the chronically Sick, 97% genuine welfare recipients, high quality lowcost European-style Public Education, (cont'd)
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023
Fascism is violently anti-Left ...a Right-wing Ultra-Conservative Nationalistic traditional cultural resurgence
...a Free Market Capitalist, populist backlash against Democratic philosophies, Equality & ...all things Socialist.
Fascism ...actually, is a rational reaction by the Rich, to protect their vast wealth, Class Privilege & Olympian god-likened luxurious extravagant luxuries from being diminished even slightly or touched at all, by Higher Income Tax (cont'd)
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
Much love to the truth produced by VampiressOnDaProwlq. Screw these proto-fascists denigrating the term libertarian. Ron Paul is a fascist plain and simple.
LiberalBohemian 3 weeks ago
@LiberalBohemian
hii ; D thanks for your encouragement! i really need it. it means a lot from the bottom of my heart. i've had a tough time lately.
and yet i take time to nurture others despite my own wounds. because it is them that remind me that, what i'm doing, must be done.
please continue commenting & responding to these Fascists.
i need the supportive comments keep them coming. ~warm hugabugas ~your sister in solidarity ~may the Force be with you ...always ~~~Lyssa
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@LiberalBohemian That's right and he uses anti-state rhetoric too protect himself. Ron Paul is a fraud. I used to be a supporter. I started to have concerns about 10 months ago. After some careful research I was able to figure him out.
waterhead001 3 weeks ago
@waterhead001 Well done.
LiberalBohemian 3 weeks ago 2
@LiberalBohemian Thank you:) It was his loyalty to the Austrian School of economics and I went from there. He is a shrewd politician, and has developed a loyal following. But he is duping them. If people did a little research on him they would see that there is another side to him. He is actually not a Libertarian in the Classical sence but a "Noe-Feudalist" with conferate leanings.
waterhead001 3 weeks ago
@waterhead001
thank you kindly for your thoughtful insightful observations on Right-wing Libertarian Capitalists' disguised "Neo-Feudalistic" 19th century Gilded Age Fascist characteristics.
please continue commenting your valuable gems. ; )
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Hey thanks! I look forward to your videos and comments also! :)
waterhead001 1 week ago
@LiberalBohemian If you believe that you do not know what fascism is !
Cogitatio023 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023 Go drink the RonPaulsemenkoolaid, brain dead.
LiberalBohemian 3 weeks ago
@LiberalBohemian
thank you for your brilliant insightful comments. ; D ~warm hugabugas
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@Cogitatio023
i already read "Atlas Shrugged", twice (got a charliehorse neck pain from 2nd reading & recurring greed-themed nightmares)
i read "Fountainhead" 1.4 times (2nd time, Rand's erratic, migraine-inducing depictions of a 2nd character, reminded me of "Fight Club" (which i hate) & made me literally ipikak vomit, the chaptr i stopped at, made my eyes bleed.
3rd book i read, "We, the Living?" cant recall.
why would i criticize Rand without reading her books?
makes no sense.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Read her none fiction.
Cogitatio023 1 week ago
@Cogitatio023
i looked for Ayn Rand books in that non-fiction section but she doesnt have any non-fiction works. not officially anyway. LOL
i did locate some Ayn Rand, Rothbard & Hayek books dubiously asserted to be non-fiction but they were in the Fiction sections. LOL
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Lol
Cogitatio023 1 week ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq
The screed that passes for non-fiction these days!
0gods 1 week ago
ok the video does not match the context of the message below it. Not once in the video is libertarian mentioned. Furthermore Ron Pauls position is to divorce the corporation from government so the courts can be impartial again so we can sue for damages and theft over the decades with a fair judge.
TheHatedPatriot1776 1 month ago
@LordKaisen
where's the Libertarian success in stopping the Tyranny? NONE.
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James Madison a Libertarian establish a Socialize Army to fight the British in war of 1812.
hadith04 1 month ago
@sheltercrow The problem is that Democracy has always been hitched with the 51% rule... and that's what killed Socrates... not the direct or indirect nature of the voting.
57% believed that they should kill Socrates for blasphemy (and humiliating rich people).
It turns out to have been a bad decision... but 57% faith isn't very high faith.
75%... 80%... usually... if you can't get that much support... it's probably not a good idea =P
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@sheltercrow I believe we are very close, here... but elsewhere, it is much worse.
For property... I believe that you should be called to debate the issue, anonymously, but in a public forum.
If 80% of the people believe that a society with property is preferable, it should be so. If less, then... not.
At the end of a rational debate, we should come up with property rights... and limits.
I do not support unlimited property rights.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@sheltercrow Libertarianism is a knee jerk reaction against state abuse. It is not a consistent whole, rational theory... that's why there are so many types of "Libertarianism"
Libertarians must realize that if 80% of the population wants to have a welfare program... it MIGHT be a good idea. We don't play in abosolutes when we seek understanding.
But we feel in our gut that 51% is not high enough to do something like welfare or war or forced education or health care.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe In an citizen run state taxes are only used for the welfare of the citizens. In a corporate run state, like the US, taxes are only used for the welfare of the corporations. The "welfare programs" here are not for the benefit of the citizens. They are a cost of doing business. A corporate aggregate is providing for it's own welfare by diverting some tax revenues to purchase reduced labor unrest. A magnificent operation since the public thinks otherwise.
sheltercrow 2 months ago
@sheltercrow Here's a good example... most of my young Libertarian friends like Thomas J, Mill, Lincoln, and Rothbard.
After a while... MLK usually becomes a hero...
and those same people usually come to detest the "Civil Rights Act".
How could that possibly be consistent?
Well... it's insane, based on what I learned in grade school.
Once you learn the uncensored adult version of American history... libertarianism starts to make a lot more sense.
BTW, I'm not a Libertarian.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe First off this country is too large. A warped project of corporate ambition and empire hungry politicians. Citizens are no more than a tool for same. If you want more democracy you'd have to start by creating smaller independent states able to actually practice democracy. What we have now is a monstrosity. An extortion operation so large and powerful it's unassailable.
sheltercrow 2 months ago
@sheltercrow 80% of libertarians are white... that means that the other 20% are what... dumb? Fooled?
The loudest members of every group are the ones that leave an impression on your mind.
90% of the republicans and democrats I talk to are "moderate" by their own definition... but those aren't the ones that everyone hears at a party or in a discussion.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
Is this a fucking joke? This was a FASCIST coup .... It had nothing WHATSOEVER to do with libertarianism ... which didn't take shape until over 20 years after this happened.
iconoclast63 2 months ago
It's quite obvious neo-fascist tendencies are evident in most all libertarian commenters. Friedrich von Hayek and Ludwig von Mises were both admirers of fascism.
"Where was the libertarian right during the great struggles for individual liberty in America in the last half-century? The libertarian movement has been conspicuously absent from the campaigns for civil rights for nonwhites, women, gays and lesbians."
Libertarianism really is incompatible with democracy.
sheltercrow 2 months ago
@sheltercrow You are so full of shit it's coming out your ears.
Mises, Hayek and Hazlitt have been some of the most outspoken opponents of government/corporate union that this world has ever seen.
Hayek's main work is "Road to Serfdom". It is a fucking SCREE against facism.
Libertarians are VIOLENTLY opposed to racism, but they respect the fact that partisan laws have always been used to the detriment of minorities.
You COULD go to wikipedia and check.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe Simply do a search of "libertarianism fascism." Wikipedia is an Astroturf dream-scape for politics. Libertarians are violently opposed to anything not libertarian, and that's the point. The fact that the "libertarian movement has been conspicuously absent from the campaigns for civil rights for nonwhites, women, gays and lesbians" is undisputed. And there's that prickly fact of libertarian demographics and endorsements of neo-nazi and white supremacist groups.
sheltercrow 2 months ago
@sheltercrow So, Libertarian Facism is facist... Libertarian Socialism is socialist. Conservative Facism would be facist, I assume.
These are just labels, but if you use the term to convey meaning, it should refer to the group of people that consider themselves libertarian... and not who their detractors want you to believe libertarians are.
It is a poor way to analyze anything. You cannot analyze conservatism, liberalism, socialism, communism, or anarchism in such a manner.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
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sheltercrow 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe Search engines work a little different than you imply. Main point... Neo-nazi and white-supremacists groups (and their "closeted" neophytes, a much larger group) find libertarianism, in large part, as the only party they identify with, and would vote for. Obviously a party consists of it's voters. Libertarianism's message and platform is problematic because it appeals, and is acceptable, to these groups.
sheltercrow 2 months ago
Okay... we'll do this another way... who are the top three people that an average libertarian would look up to?
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe When I was growing up the only people I encountered that called themselves libertarian, to one degree or another, admired Hitler. A good many had an treasured collection of Nazi paraphernalia. They were all, without exception, racist. The new libertarians, however they might like to quote libertarian scripture, seem to be incapable of understanding that right-libertarianism also, incidentally, empowers racism.
sheltercrow 2 months ago
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@ParrhesiaJoe "but they respect the fact that partisan laws have always been used to the detriment of minorities." And just how do you "respect" laws "used to the detriment of minorities?"
sheltercrow 2 months ago
Aimee Allen and Golden State have great Ron Paul music videos posted. What a great time!
Freedom out!
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
Seems the fascists didn't take power immediately that day, but they've been easing their way in ever since. Excellent vid. Peace.
mojosideburns 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 Honest? He is infamous for inserting earmarks for his district into bills that he knows will pass then votes against them so he can claim that he has never voted for a tax increase or spending increase. While that may be technically true, it is total and utter bullshit at the same time. Personally, I think all the nominees this go around suck ass, I hope Kucinich runs in 16. Peace.
mojosideburns 2 months ago
@mojosideburns No you are wrong. He votes for none of the appropriations for earmarks but votes to get back the money for his district. He never denies this. He explains it is already appropriated and going to someone so he tries to get it back, but would prefer it never leave his state to begin with
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 Favoritism to donors is not fascism, but politics. It's most definetly not liberalism, but very much conservative and as far from socialism as an ideology can be. RP is for doing away with the medicare that millions cannot live w/o. He is against regulation that keeps lead off of toys, saminilla out of peanut butter, and pharma from raising drug costs. Against keeping the definition of "organic" as is, to benifit corporate farmers and against consumer protection.
GypsyMofakka 2 months ago
@GypsyMofakka youtube him and learn for yourself (his words only). Can't teach you in short para. RP wants to eliminate NO funds to medicare, ss, or any social program. Only one never voted for spending SS. Wants nobody made dependent out on street. Wants opt out OPTION for under 25. Make solvent by bringing home empire in 130 countries. Last sentence ridiculous. As well as first. If constitution returned, no Fed levers of power to buy. Fed has made food supply less safe. Go learn
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 I have learned all about Paul from his own words. I know he thinks regulation that keeps consumers safe impedes on the "freedpm" of business and capitalism. I have heard all of his ideas and never heard of his plan. The Fed has nothing to do with salmanilla caused by filthy production environments, deregulation has everything to do with it. The free market has no interest in public safety, only profit. Selling unhealthy products and moving on is free market. Regulation is necessity
GypsyMofakka 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 Shining a light on Obama's ties to big corporations and cronyism are applauded by me. I'm no Obamabot. But to say that someone is fascist and socialist at the same time is contradictory. Fascism is not big gov't. Fascism is cutting all corporate tax to zero and pushing the burden on the worker. After racist remarls were written on a newsletter in his name, he first defended the words. Later he claimed someone else wrote it. Honest? Then there's his stance against civil rights.
GypsyMofakka 2 months ago
Some B&W clips and a random word generator. Fascism? NEWSFLASH:
Goldman Sachs Controls the F ing world and Obama is their sock puppet. The banksters and the Fed designed this crash then got bailed out! They're printing and devaluing money to crash the dollar and go to one world tyranny. There is one champion fighting this. Ron Paul.
Past monopolies due to unique lack of competition and gov intervention. They don't protect you they choose winners who donate. Regulate and exempt their buddies.
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
Peace Love Ron Paul. Merry Christmas beautiful human race!
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
The government just passed legislation stating they can imprison citizens without trial. They take naked pictures and molest people at airports and soon checkpoints are coming. They bomb people around the world for resources. I'll take my chances with the private sector, I can sue if they grab my genitals. I also don't fear Muslims. Just the government.
Ron Paul 2012!
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 I don't want state tyranny or tyranny via private industry, there must be a balance.
xexixk 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 Sorry, bud. We'll not have a racist, fascist in the WH. Ever.
GypsyMofakka 2 months ago
At least the account holder is honest about what she is. Expect more vampires as Ron Paul drags them into the open.
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
Creepy. RP is going to be exorcising the demons out in the open as he wins. Didn't watch all but the title is convoluted. The worst monopolies & bullies have been big business + gov which is fascism & what libertarians want to avoid by taking away the central levers of power. Bullies in the marketplace can eventually be taken down as they collapse under their own weight but their last trick is always buying the federal government to artificially remain big. RP wants to destroy those levers.
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39
i know to whom you refer. "Jewish Bankers, "Jewish Internationalists", "Multiculturalists" and "Jewish Intellectuals"
but the real bullies, the rich predatory cutthroat Social Darwinist "let the Sick die" Germanic American White Protestant WASP bankers & CEOs "successful producers" are acceptable, huh? ...the gated-community inheritance Feudalistic luxury estate Right-wing Ultra-Conservative Nationalist, Hereditarian Capitalist pseudo-Libertarians are okay?
VampiressOnDaProwlq 2 months ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq Tell him sister.
LiberalBohemian 3 weeks ago
@LiberalBohemian
what did you like that prompted you saying, "tell him, sister." ? lol ; )
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@VampiressOnDaProwlq The fact you called them out on their proto-anti-Semitic bullshit. It's rare to see people who understand what's going on with the Ron Paul supporters. So thank you for your work in the face of the hoards of proto-fascists on YT. Peace sister Lyssa.
LiberalBohemian 3 weeks ago 2
@LiberalBohemian
bonjourno, mon petite cheri. ; ) remember me? that extraordinarily one that called out the Ron Paultards on their proto anti-Semitic Jewish conspiracy derivative bullshit?
i miss your comments. i was hoping to see more brilliance from you. ; 3
VampiressOnDaProwlq 1 week ago
@scottdaddy39 Remove all regs and you also create a system in which a completely natural monopoly can and will occur. Bullies in the market place coming down of their own accord isn't neccisarily true. One can see what has occured else where and in the past.
xexixk 2 months ago
The problem with right wing libertarianism is that there is just as much fraud in the private sector as there is in government. "So what your free to choose?" a libertarian says. Well, no you aren't. Your resources are limited by the time and the resources you have to choose (poor people have less), the fact that businessmen lie with the same regularity as politicians, and whether you belong to a clique which has insider information (like an exclusive club where businessmen meet).
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris Yes and Ron Paul supports strong laws against fraud. That's a regulation he supports.Aswe have it now,all of your precious regulators have facilitated all of the fraud.Free market is the toughest regulator.When a bank does stupid things they go bankrupt,end of story and the debt is liquidated. Now they just get bailed out, transfer their worthless assets to us, take a big bonus, and do it again.
Then they and gov write the next reg in response to problem they created.
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
This concept is 2 complex to discuss here on u-tube &we can't force ppl to think about these issues. Sadly,ppl r going to have to learn the hard way. US will fall & ppl will suffer A LOT b4 they wake up &realize w/the real problem is. Of course, then it'll be too late to turn things around.
PurrGrrl 6 months ago
IMO the prob is, many Rebubs &Libertarians don't understand how societies & govts are formed& how ppl interact w/ea other in communities.Many Libertarians r good-intentioned &if they took a few classes in sociology, psychology & political science, got a grasp on how ppl form societies &cultures& govts, most wd turn into democratic socialists.Govt regulation is nec over big business 'cuz money is power & big business is driven by profit & self-interest--regardless of the consequences 2society.
PurrGrrl 6 months ago
@PurrGrrl Exactly what I've said myself many times. They don't sem to understand the basics of how societies function and how everyone is interconnected and depends each other - without the others we would not survive.
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk No the opposite is true. The libertarian wants individuals families and communities to interact and local government to be strong. Not Washington dictating and solving local issues. That is a tyranny nobody can escape. A "liberal" once said aren't we our brothers keeper?" I say yes and I can't help my brother because the king took my money and made bombs with it.
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 One can look at other countries to see what happened when these libertarian economic ideas were tried. Chile has one of the highest rates on income inequality in the world (funny that Friedman who claimed to love liberty and freedom cozied up to Pinochet who killed and tortured his own people to stay in power), It also wrecked New Zealand. It seems libertarians like to talk about the constitution but ignore the parts of it they don't like, ie. the supremacy clause.
xexixk 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 It also seems that libertarians like to talk about the "tyranny" of the federal gov but are less concerned with tyranny carried out at the state or local level. That sort of attitude would have left us with a still segregated south. What they seem to want is a return to the failure that was the Articles of Confederation. As Madison wrote, a federal gov subservient to state govs would be like a body with the mind subservient to the limbs.
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk Common misguided point.Most evocation of states rights has been good accept when cowardly federal government left slavery issues to states to avoid responsibility. One area the fed should have stepped in was slavery. This was a failure of men. Later segregation began by Fed Jim Crow laws which engrained segregation in our culture. Any position of power can attract tyranny. Bo and Luke Duke could barely contain Boss Hogg. But what if he were federal. Roscoe a Federal Marshal?
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 The Jim Crow laws were not federal laws. They were state laws, otherwise segregation would have existed in ALL states. There were attempts prior to the civil rights era to pass federal anti lynching laws in congress but they always failed thanks to the southern memebers of congress. I supose you thinking states should be able to pass laws concerning what consenting adults can or cannot do in their bedrooms & the supreme court's ruiling in Lawrence vs. TX was an act of fed tyranny.
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk People can protest all they want and until someone "at the top" takes notice that protesting will do no good. Look how many years it took to finally get full voting rights for women (again big bad feds not letting states prohibit women from voting).
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk The fed gov should intervene in some matters of civil liberties. Protection of liberties is where they are supposed to intervene. They're should've been aggressive intervention with slavery and women early on. It'sfailure of men not the constitution that it hasn't been applied the right way at the right times and those failures are used in turn to discredit the constitution. Libertarians are not anarchists. That cellphone law is being discussed. Research it. Learn. Time is short.
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 I'm not concerned about a ban on cell phones, it's been shown time and again how distracting even the handless devices are - it's conversation itself that distracts a drivers attention. The constitution doesn't so narrowoly define "intervention" as you do. In fact the supremacy clause says the federal const and federal law have supremacy. As for women, slavery and civil rights they all came about has society evolved.
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk Hah. So the supremacy clause says the rest of the constitution which is a limiting document is null and void and the fed is just a supreme king? That simple huh?
Ha Ha Ha Ha!. You want the fed to regulate your personal conversations in your car. Talking is dangerous.That will make you feel safe and comfy from accidents. They track and listen enforce.Ha! maybe a camera in your house to keep you safe. Yes you are not Ron Paul material. I understand now. good bye
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 If they wanted regulate your conversation then they would ban cell phones altogehter, being concerned about distracted drivers causing accidents isn't regulating conversations. Read the portion of the constitution detaling the role of congress, it's rather lengthy & much of it is rather vague. A myriad of laws vary from state to state - everything from speed limits to criminal penalties. This mantra so in vogue today about the fed controling every aspect of life is largely a myth.
xexixk 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 I find it interesting that RP get's so much support from some on the extremes of the right - read over the message boads on stormfront. David Duke has even spoken favorably of him. He refused to return the donation from a white supremacist leader and other suck people. All he says is "well I can't control what people think." No you can't control what they think, but you can repudiate their ideas. He seems to have no concern that he attracts support from such people.
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk Are you serious? Every candidate up there has gotten major contributions from banks, weapons and petro... double standards.
And RP has repudiated the ideas of bigots his entire life.
There are welfare-statists, coporate statists, and those who believe that the state is RESPONSIBLE for slavery, and must come under MAJOR scorn for taking a century and a civil war to put things right.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe There would have been no slavery if the people in the country, or in large parts of the country didn't want slavery. Yeah Paul gives some vague statement about how he "can't help what others believe" when asked about the praise he's received from folks like David Duke. Never once repudiated his views or returned the donation he received from a white supremacist leader, Then of course their is the rather murky history of Paul's newsletters, which he handsomely profited from.
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk
hey dare ; D pleazzz respond to more of Parrgesia's comments? pleasie? te dus, va rog? sa ma, ajutati, va rog? ; (
VampiressOnDaProwlq 3 weeks ago
@xexixk Libertarians acknowledge that the OVERALL effect of state on minorities is HORRIBLE. Civil rights is a perfect example. The people of this country wanted protections for minorities. They had to picket in the street, get arrested, and undergo tremendous hardship for this MINOR correction of centuries of flaws. All good comes from the people. All evil comes from the state.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe Odd the draw that many in the neo-nazi & white supremacists camps have to Paul. Read the message board over on storm front, read the praise that David Duke has lavished on Paul. Yet Paul seems unconcerned to draw such support. Then of course their were Paul's newsletters that he profited from & now claims he has no idea who wrote them or what was in them (neither claim makes sense).
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk Neo-nazi's, white supremecists will always be drawn away from establishment parties.
Hitler would definately be voting for the neo-con's this round... because he's an establishment nazi =P.
ParrhesiaJoe 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe 1/2 As for your claim that all good comes from people, all evil from the state. That is ridiculous & ignorant of history, a very simplistic view. By the logic then lynching, since it was carried out by private citizens was not wrong, but attempts by the fed gov to pass anti lynching laws in the decades before the civil rights era was evil. The gov of Georgia who intervened & sacrificed his own political career by doing so in the sham trial of Leo Frank was evil. but the men who
xexixk 2 months ago
@ParrhesiaJoe 2/2 lynched him were virtuous since they were private citizens. The mob of angry whites trying to prevent the integration of Central HS in LIttle Rock were virtuous since they were private citizens but Pres Eisenhower was evil for sending in fed troops to enforce the order of the courts. That "individual always good & state always bad" thing is patently false. BTW Jim Crow laws existed in the south b/c that's what the majority of whites wanted. Paul also spoke against the CRA.
xexixk 2 months ago
@xexixk Ur right. I believe the civil rights act of 1964 corrected that. I may be wrong.Ron Paul supported 9/10 of that.The Fed DOES have a roll in intervening in matters of liberty and should have sooner. That's their main duty. Unfortunately they now want to forbid you to use a handfree cell phone in ur car and track u to enforce it, check points and feel ur crotch, illegally search and eavel drop, redistributre wealth to their friends. Racecardism is so tired and stale.
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 Get out of 1960 and stick your head in 2012 and tell me the fed is your buddy!
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39 No one said that there are no problems in the country, I don't think RP zero regulations worldview is the answer. Actually he spoke against the CRA. As for phones in cars, I haven't heard anything about a ban on handfree phones. Hand held should certainly be banned, I was once rear ended by some teen texting while driving, utterly a stupid thing to do. However, studies have shown that handfree ones can be just as distracting, the conversation distracts attention.
xexixk 2 months ago
@scottdaddy39
redistribute wealth to their (Jewish) friends is what you mean.because Jews stick together and are an infection in govt and business, right? they're infecting the Fed.
your Fascist disguised euphemisms dont work on me or my associates. Xexixk, he's revealed his vulnerability, attack that tenderness. his exposed flank. his euphemism to disguise wanting Jews and "cultural Marxist" compassion for the underclasses stopped. i've painted the target for you.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 2 months ago
@PurrGrrl A constitutionalist/libertarian underststands that power starts with the individual, then local community, state, then fed. Not the reverse. The more local the better responsive to community. People have better chance effecting local than Washington. So if power is more local then collectively the people have control. The statist want several hundred people to control 300million. Good luck with that.
scottdaddy39 2 months ago
BRAVO!!
Somebody's Gotta say it!!
turnofffox 10 months ago
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JeremyKonstenius 11 months ago