Knowing about car and how it works does not disprove car designer. Same way knowing about universe and how it works does not disprove God. We know gases in sun, law of gravity, distance of planets it does not disprove God. But how they came in existence, Who created it ? Was it by evolution theory and big bang action, From where beginning of Life started first ? All these are still mystery. Theists believe all was created by God, atheists believe it was created by itself.
@samaroo96 but it is said evolution is not true,it's creationism ...it is said the world is flat..but it's not
it is said the world is like 6000 years old...but it's not...if the car designer says the car doesn't run on petrol...and you find out it is..it does disprove the car designer was wrong..and not to be believed
@MrPwnzorrosco There is big difference between World and Creation. When God started creation, Earth was already there with water all over and without any form. Earth was created "In The Beginning" which could be billions or millions years old. But light, sun, moon, stars, trees, animals, men all were created 6 thousand years before only. By the way we don't have more than 6 thousand years old fossils but we have rocks more than 6 thousands years old. Believe in Bible and Gospel.
@MrPwnzorrosco Fossil is just a impression of bone, leaf, plant in mud which gradually becomes solid rock after certain temperature, compression and atmosphere. If you keep a flower in your Book and put some weight and leave it for couple of month or longer. It would be consider kind of fossil too. Just getting fossil does not proof that our ancestors were apes or we share common ancestors. Till today we have received fossils of 100% plants, animals or insects. Think more buddy.
@MrPwnzorrosco Fossil is just a impression of bone, leaf, plant in mud which gradually becomes solid rock after certain temperature, compression and atmosphere. If you keep a flower in your Book and put some weight and leave it for couple of month or longer. It would be consider kind of fossil too. Till today we have received fossils of 100% plants, animals or insects. If we could get half ape and half monkey or half animal half plant then could think authenticity of evolution.
"God" haters are a ridiculous set. Certain people will seek out thought-structures which allow them to hate, to persecute others, physically, emotionally, etc. Human institutions change; human psychology doesn't change. There is an upsetting (and a subtle) symbolic link between the old Spanish inquisitor and a modern day atheist on the offensive.
Good people don't hurt others, whether or not they believe in "God."
Hitch's grasp of antisemitism is incredible. The comments here are doing a great disservice to him by turning this into a petty feud over religion. When Hitch says that antisemitism is a toxin to the societies that harbor it, he's referring to the fact that it brings the worst elements of society--demagogy, conspiracy theory, etc--into the mainstream. To ignore this, thinking that you can push the blame onto Christians (who aren't innocent) is nonproductive, because its true root is universal.
HITCHENS IS A JEW, on his mothers side - the one that counts in Judaism.
Of course he 'respects' Judaism. 1:21 It's Christianity and Islam he is against. All the 'intellectuals' who worship Hitchens should realise they are just gullible fools, buying his Jewish supremacism in the guise of atheism. The one country in the world that has stolen it's entire country and still murders daily in the name of God never gets slated by him.
So why does he keep bringing up radical doomsday Jews whenever explaining why he's opposed to religion and theocracy? Why does he keep criticizing the Torah (including the Abraham-Isaac) bit as one of the worst viles in... well, it's Judaism, ain't it? Why does he keep criticizing the Jewish "thx god that I'm not a woman or cattle"?
Where did he ever argue for the validity of Jewish religious claims? Oh wait, he didn't? So whatever bias he may have towards the Jewish PEOPLE, ...
@twooffour "You, sir, are a buffoon" ... ha ha. Only a buffoon talks like that. Do you think you're in an Elizabethan novel? You must understand when entertainers like Dorkins and Jewkins talk like that it's just part of their act. You didn't know that? I guess there's a lot you don't know if you fall for Hitchens' particular line of shit.
Hitch missed one here. There are many parallels between the Catholic Irish and the Palestinians. The Roman Church and Islam would rather people died than let them free. In both cases the narratives of ‘oppression’ were carefully crafted by dishonest, manipulative clerics. America itself has become transmogrified by the vast import of Catholic Irish who have, ever since been determined revisionists of American history. Catholics played NO PART in the founding principles of the US.
@professorimpossible Weak and beside the point. It's probably the first time you've ever heard the Catholic Irish of America EVER criticized. Notice how quiet the audience went when Hitch mentioned that the worst enemies of black Americans were the Catholic Irish. I would go further, the real atrocities against the Native American Indians in the northern continent began 250 years after the southern continent, with the arrival of Catholics.
@ritchloui I'm not undermining his point at all, I agree with him, everywhere but where he says the slums of belfast, I live in belfast and there aren't any slums! Some people have tacky christmas decorations and some people let their garden go to sh1t, but there are no areas in belfast, or in my knowledge nothern ireland that can be described as a slum!!!
@professorimpossible I stand corrected and am delighted to hear that Belfast doesn't have any slums. We have quite a lot in London, especially the 1960's housing estates! They are like gigantic open prisons. I think the word 'slum' is too closely identified with Dickensian squallor and ruin. I don't think anywhere in the UK is that bad.
@ritchloui Lol, I too stand corrected, I've just been to the Asda in the Westwood centre . . if that's not a slum it's a bomb site!! But that's because they make a point of hiring lazy barstwewards!
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general secular social perspectives
I'm starting on a blog called critiquesofchristianity.blogspot.com
I will completely and utterlly destory the religion of Christianity and leave its doctrines and bible in shambles. Right now i have only about 20 or so posts up of what will soon consist of 200, If anyone is interested please check it out.
@timjdong you should stop copy and pasting this ignorant comment on all the videos of hitchens. Vanity Fair had content on politics, culture, literature, and, yes, fashion. It is not a fashion magazine. He also haso more than a dozen highly-regarded books on the shelves of fine bookstores everywhere. Btw, Why Orwell Matters is not about fashion.
Twas just revealed to me that Hitch writes & edits for VANITY FAIR! My God a FASHION magazine, really Hitch? Man that's disappointing. I'm sure it pays well but what about all the royalties from your books? I'm embarrassed to admit, but that does ruin your cred. a bit. Get well soon (& get a new job : )
I was really disappointed in the last part of this video. To say that Jews are what keeps society from degrading is just disgusting, and more importantly, no different from saying that the continued presence of Jews are the cause of all a nation's ills. Jews are no better and no worse than any other people and furthermore, most Jews aren't even Jews in the first place, they are atheists who call themselves Jews.
Firstly, Mr. Hitchens, I agree with most of what you're saying, (and I've been a fan of yours for quite some time). But I, as an occasional historian, can tell you that the expulsion of the Jews of Spain did not mean a regression for Spain to the middle ages: the expulsion happened on the same exact year of the beginning of Spanish imperial expansion to the so-called "New World". In what sense do you mean "regression"? England and France expelled Jews before Spain did, but no one remembers it.
@melancholicme123 You don't see the 'regression' in Spain with the expulsion of the Jews? The Roman Catholic Inquisition and its application in South America is one of the darkest chapters in human history. Europe too was a blood bath under the Roman Church. Obviously Islam has a grizzly history that it too has worked tirelessly to hide, not least the HUGE 1,400 year Arab Muslim slave trade in Africa. Largely unknown. The Arabians themselves have barely any pre-Islamic history; all destroyed..
@ritchloui Indeed, the Catholic Inquisition and its application in the Western Hemisphere (not just in South America, as Mexico and Central America are not "South America") was one of the darkest chapters in human history. My comment was merely aimed at suggesting that it would be inaccurate to call a "regression" what was truly the beginning of the first Empire of the modern times, i.e., the Spanish one. France and England had expelled Jews way before Spain, and no one talks about "regression".
@melancholicme123 I beg to differ; there was NOTHING modern about it. The Spanish and Portuguese were the last chapter of Medievilism. Certainly NOT the first chapter of the ‘modern empires’ that were to come. That’s the whole point. That’s why the horror of what was done by the Spanish and Portuguese aka the Roman Church is so obviously ‘of a different age’ and is carefully excused as such. They were more backward even than the Persians, Greeks and Romans who came before.
@ritchloui Sorry, but most scholars agree that Modernity started with the European expansion (as brutal and atrocious as it may look to us now), lead by the Spanish and Portuguese. The Spanish were, like it or not, the first modern Empire, period. Their horror was different from the horror of the Protestants in England and elsewhere only in the number of victims, not in viciousness. To compare early modern Iberia with the Persians, Greeks and Romans is not only ahistorical, but also misleading.
I'm sure most well read folk would agree that, the theory of Charles Darwin was inspirational when it came to murder/slavery.
Britain armed with Darwin's theory, thought nothing of wiping out people because they looked like apes. But I suppose nobody wants to upset Chris with this type of news.
@tomspencer155 Don't try to put words in my mouth.I love the way you sneaked in "created" nice try! Check it out on Wikipedia wise guy. You might wish to check out how many people JESUS murdered while he was on earth.
But then none of you guys believe in Jesus,NOW THAT'S CONVENIET!
No mention here of the mass atrocities carried out by the British, which are to many to print here. I don't say this lightly as I am British.
I am also willing to forgive modern day Germany for it's roll in the unbelievable Murder of the Jews,which sadly goes to prove that Chris simple hates the Jews.
I find this bloody typical of this world," lets keep hating the Jews for a crime committed 2000 years ago" Leave the Jews alone Chris Shame on you!
@tomspencer155 Well let's say he's not a BIG FAN of Jesus- King of the JEWS!
Where did I say Hitchy SAID the Jews killed Jesus. I said it was bloody typical of this WORLD for hating the Jews. However Hitchy and other's in MANY other videos don't believe in the King of the Jews.
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Hitchens is brilliant when discussing religion but when it comes to Israel and anti-semitism, he simply does not understand the valid criticism of muslim countries of the invasion and related attrocities committed by the U.S. and Israel. He generalizes this disdain to dissidents on the left like Chomsky who really has a much keener grasp of history geopolitics - however good clip thanks for posting.
@RainmanCT His a realist, in his world view (mine too) islam is a real valid threat to our freedom (mainly that of free speech, if you disagree look at the mandates being put forward by islamic country's in the UN) thus as his said, he doesn't love our enemies and doesn't want anyone to love them for us he wants to isolate and destroy them its not that he doesn't know that all thats going on over there isnt really good, or legal, but in war bad things happen, and in his (and mine) it is a war.
@Exiledloser I completely agree. But I would add another enemy to the equation: the Vatican, i.e., the only theocratical monarchy left in the Western World. Their teachings are dangerous, wicked, pernicious, immoral, insidious, degrading, preposterous, misogynistic, and homophobic, It's no surprise that the Vatican aligned itself with the Islamic nations in an effort to veto a UN resolution that would de-criminalize homosexuality worldwide.
Another aspect of judaism which I can appreciate is the they don't believe in heaven (a christian invention). In any case they suffer from psychosis as any of the other faithful folk infected by religionism.
@Chigokai1080 except what he just said is not true. Hitchenses ability to exaggerate and blow out of proportion in yes, eloquent and very entertaining way is stunning. And entertaining. Yes, he is cute. Nonchalance of a half drunken poet was always very attractive to people. He is the best in it. But to answer his own please, I will question conventions including the one of his make.
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WITH 2,000 YEARS OF TRADITION AND SACRIFICES OF CHRISTIANS TODAY WE KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE AND SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST IS.
MANY PROPHECIES AND VISIONARIES.
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I don't quite understand the point Christopher was making with regards to anti-semitism beinga unique harbinger of a society's degredation and ultimate downfall. This would seem to indicate a certain 'chosen-ness' of Jewish people, would it not? I'm actually Jewish, but I abhor the 'chosen people' mentality and was under the impression that Hitch (a personal hero of mine actually) felt the same.
@sgblack I really don't think he meant that. I think he was referring to how Jews have been the historical 'scape goat' for many failing society's ills, a barometer of ill weather engulfing a nation.
Probably due to the universal 'other-ness' that the Jews have been viewed with, due to their restricted professions over the centuries(in many European countries and possibly others)..all stemming back to that whole 'christ-killing' mentality Hitch was talking about.
@sgblack Yes. As long as Jews assert they are god's chosen people Christians will have a specific reactions to this. As long as Christians believe Jews reject Christ and are doomed to eternal hellfire, Judaic believers will have a reaction to this. Atheists can and do laugh this off as we know better. But both sides of this religious difference are dead serious, and all sides act out in their own respective ways. Hence anti-semitism and Jewish inspired Christian cultural subversion. Insanity!
@FaganRoberts you clearly have no grasp about the history or nature of antisemetism. You are under the misapprenhesion that it is some sort of theological dispute. Do some reading (some real reading), I don't want mean to sound rude but your points are vague and ignorant. So I'm wrapping up my part of this dialouge. Feel free to have the last word.
@schrire39 Oh, I am sure there are many facets to anti-semitism, much like there are probably many facets to racist and cultural Judaic/Islamic anti-Christianity, I am just staying focused on the topic, which happens to be the religious aspect of the conflagration.
@FaganRoberts you clearly have no grasp about the history or nature of antisemetism. You are under the misapprenhesion that it is some sort of theological dispute. Do some reading (some real reading), I don't want mean to sound rude but your points are vague and ignorant. So I'm wrapping up my part of this dialouge. Feel free to have the last word.
@FaganRoberts you clearly have no grasp about what the history or nature of antisemetism. You are under the misapprenhesion that it is some sort of theological dispute. Do some reading (some real reading), I don't want mean to sound rude but your points are vague and ignorant. So I'm wrapping up my part of this dialouge. Feel free to have the last word.
@FaganRoberts you clearly have no grasp about the history or nature of antisemetism. You are under the misapprenhesion that it is some sort of theological dispute. Do some reading (some real reading), I don't want mean to sound rude but your points are vague and ignorant. So I'm wrapping up my part of this dialouge. Feel free to have the last word.
@sgblack He meant Jews are the initial targets of extreme forces wishing to build their power using Antisemitism as a starter platform, If you wish to become dictator, you need to unify people against a common enemy that cannot fight back effectively, Jews are perfect for that. Of course this is mainly works in Europe, European Asia and now in the Middle East, it wont work in China.
why is it that Athiests must take full responsibility for the acts of Hitler and Stalin, while the far more numerous (and higher relative percentage of) atrocities of those of faith are merely dismissed as people of "other" faiths?
Those who believe in a God or Gods have far more to answer for, and if they refuse to do so, let me simply say that in regards to Hitler, Stalin, and all the other "evil" atheists—they were those "other" atheists, not us.
@wordsinmind minus hitler... it's rather aggravating to here it because it's just simple arguments theists are fed to battle the fact that the evidence that suggests hitler as a theist is better then the other way around. keep hitler on the theist side where he belongs.
@retroguy02@retroguy02 In public statements, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture, and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ. In a proclamation to the German Nation February 1, 1933 Hitler stated, "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built.
Hitler admired Islam,he was not an atheist or a Christian
Hitler quote"
You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness...."
Hitler was a Catholic. The official nazi uniform had the germ for "god is with us" on the belt buckle.
Stalin was himself an Atheist but he created a cult of personality round himself. If you are Stalin, you have to be mad not to abuse peoples eagerness to believe in trash. He was subject to devotion the likes of which can be found in North Korea. He got rid of the religions as best he could so he could brainwash people into his cult of personality.
@Averagegamer100, I was just wondering what you thought about it, it has been suggested by Bertrand Russell. I suppose he thought they were similar because they controlled the universe, not like a law of nature, but like a force that favors the prolatariat, like a god would favor the religious. I'm not sure if I agree with it but was wondering what you thought.
@Golkarian I suppose I could see what he was getting at. The god label, for me, carries something else with it. Things like omnipotence and the ability to perform miracles etc So to the extent that they both in their own way control or oversee what happens, they are similar, but that's where the similarities would end so I'm not sure it's similar to a belief in a god at all.
at ca. 10 min: hitchens makes no real effort to disclose what exactly is so wrong about the analogy of palestine civil rights struggle to the african american one ?
he just says: haha it's wrong, the palestinians had it coming
granted, i'm worried by the association of the left with anti-semites and miltant muslims. but it's a fact that since yitzhak rabins assassination the palestinians were systematically deprived of elemtary human rights. their plight is as important as the afghani women's
Several problems with the analogy. First there's a difference in goals. In each case what are the oppressed fighting for? The same thing? What we see in Palestine is a tribal stuggle between 2 peoples with legitimate (though tainted) nationalist aspirations. Israeli policy may be immoral & unjust, but there's nothing akin to a legacy of African slavery. If one sees all conflict as between the powerful and the oppressed, it's easy to draw the analogy but it's at best, superficial.
@stokesterful What do you do for other people? You can't tell me you have some insight into his personal life which is hidden from everyone else. You don't know how much, and to what charities he donates. You cannot say what value a person is to others. I owe more to Christopher Hitchens than I do to any religious person I know of. He ignited my passion for Journalism, literature, politics, and philosophy. Maybe you should just shut your mouth and work on your own fucking problems.
He champions Doctors w/o Borders, one of the only orgs he feels (and I agree) does not tie their good actions with a religious or political agenda, nor enables a continuing cycle of addiction to charity; and consistently spends almost all the donations on actual field service instead of administration.
He does more with his advocacy for reason and secularism than all the religious aid organizations put together; he advocates for the freedom to reason instead of worship.
@Fabstaire I couldn't have put it better myself. He also, until recently, if you follow his column on Slate, supported Amnesty International. A secular organization that has done more for advocating peace and helping political prisoners than any religious group I can name. It's too bad they've started giving in the political pressure, and aligning themselves with other organizations than are far more radical and dangerous.
AI--great org, but I agree with your last sentence, that's why I can't quite support them like I do Dw/oB. They are really courageous though. Another admirable org is ACLU. But again, the same Achilles heel. Still, where would we be without both?
How does Hitchens remember all these books let alone how did he manage to read them all. What have I been doing with my time? I can barely read anything - when did he do all this reading and then how did he remember it all in a way he can just pull references out of his ass on the fly like this. I'm impressed.
With regard to the Jews and Judaism, any race or group of people who claim to be "god's chosen people" are by any definition, insane. I love The Hitch, but he always fails to mention this little nugget of truth about this first of the monotheistic gutter religions called Judaism. One can call this out w/out condemning a whole race of people. But Judaism's defense mechanism is always the incessant cry of anti-Semitism.
On the contrary, Hitchens is scathing in his criticism of Judaism's claim to be "chosen." Obviously, in this particular Q & A, he's asked about the qualities about Judaism he admires but in his writing and countless other species he's unsparing in blasting the notion that a Bronze age tribe claims that it has an exclusive Covenent with God, to say nothing of the racism and genocide throughout the Old Testament.
@hazydavey I understand that Hitchens is no friend of Judaism. But I have read his books and I've seen many of his interviews and debates on this subject. I still contend based on what I've seen and read that he's a bit soft on that particular branch of monotheism when contrasted to Christianity and Islam. He does rightfully renounce the Old Testament quite often, usually within the context of the Christian faith, but he seems to be reticent regarding the Talmud and other Judaic texts.
@FaganRoberts "never fails to mention"? are you kidding me? Have you read God is Not Great? Have you seen Hitch debate various rabbis in which he repeats over and over again that circumscion is "genital mutilation"....?
also, don't confuse your issues: God of Abraham, chosen people and religion maybe crazy stuff,- but antisemtism is a very real phenomenon. Methinks you an agenda of some kind....
@schrire39 It is "crazy stuff." And I know the racist "god's chosen people" mentality forms much of the reactionary basis for anti-semitism throughout the ages, particularly with other religious fanatics. We can laugh it off. Or you can proclaim confusion and assert some kind of personal agenda to others regarding antisemtism or antiChristianity or whatever reaction. But the god chosen people mental perversion is REAL my friend. I'm semitic , my agenda is exposing facts not personal vendettas.
@FaganRoberts firstly, what does "I'm Semetic" mean? does it absolve you from rational debate or mean that you cannot possibly have an irrational hatred of Jews? secondly, hatred of an enitire group of people is not "a reaction"- it is dangerous pyschological impulse in the mind of the hater...people hate people for all sorts of reasons. The fact that Judaism contains in it superior/ racist notions of chosn people is simply *not* the cause of anitsemetism ...of course, Jew haters say it is...
@schrire39 I think many people have an aversion to any religious group or racial subdivision that proclaims itself to be specially chosen by a god to exist thereby giving them justification to assert themselves based on that false superiority when interacting w/ others at any level. Whether it be merely interpersonal or all the way up to the international hegemonic arena. Whether it is rational or not, it rubs many people the wrong way. It needs to be called out if progress is to be made.
@FaganRoberts sure &enlightened people (mostly Jews!) "call it out" all the time... but the history of Jew-hatred is a history of violent hatred and opression, not a "response" to notions some Jews may or may not have about being superiour. Historiacally Jews had absolutely no milatary protection or power. In other words, unless your genda is to *blame the victim*, the history of Jewhatred doesn't have much to do with the notion of "choseness".... oh, and you never explained what "I'm Semetic"
@schrire39 Often this hatred is based on the Jewish assertion that they are god's chosen people. Sometimes it is based on Jewish anti-Christian pronouncements and actions against Christian traditions and culture based on old European assertions that they are saved for god's salvation while Jews reject Christ and doomed to hell-fire. My only point is that religion confuses everything, on all sides. Jews, Christians, Islam, Hindus are all guilty of this. I'm semitic, non-Jewish, hence atheist.
Question: Why aren't you more vocal about banning circumcision? It would deal a serious blow to religion and bring about some much needed common sense.
my dads cousin was the personal communications officer (or whatever the dude who works the radio is called) for hans blix during the 80s, and he lived on both sides of the wall during different periods of his life, until his house on the palestinian side was bombed when his family was fortunately out. He is a stoic man of few words from the very north of sweden (pitea) and all we could manage to squeeze out of him as far as anecdotes was "each side is as fucked up as the next".
@kallefredrikson it is sad, but he couldn't realistically imagine any sort of real peace in the area in the foreseeable future. it is astonishing that, as a species, we have travelled to the moon and split the atom, but we still havn't found a satisfactory solution to (i hesitate to say) petty territorial grudges...
@kallefredrikson Well I agree it is sad, but we are still apes. Our brains have gotten better at allowing us to make fantastic tools and other devices, but our brains really haven't moved all that far from our cousins emotionally. Some of our species are only a couple of hairs away still. But we (well some of us) are making some progress.
@RhondaH and its up to the ones that have progressed to help the others but many just will not accept the help and some are just too indoctrinated. its like there brain is a computer and its programmed to denie knowlege, it just bounces off there brain.
I can imagine peace in the region, but it basically involves someone either using unclear weapons to turn the landscape irrevocably to undifferentiated glass incapable of supporting life of any sort, or to walling the area in completely until the last two surviving members of opposing religious sects die stabbing each other and the fire thus burns out.
The audio is somewhat unclear, I missed the book he refers to about the comparison of post-colonial seiges in Israel, Ireland and South Africa, does anyone know the name or better yet the author of the book?
Power is power. Jews have lots of power, both financial and political. But somehow you cant be critical about this type of power without getting the posts removed.
So we cant speak truth to power? I see.
I pointed out some hipocritical views among jews. On the one hand they are against "white power" in South-Africa, yet themselves discriminate in Israel.
Dont get me wrong. I support Israel and their right to have a state. But im also against the current persecution of whites in South Africa.
They only allow the dumb, right wing extremists to debate this issue.
People with a more nuanced view, like me, get the posts removed.
If u write something nuanced and critical about jewish power, u get your posts removed. This is a clever way to portray all people who are uncomfortable with too much jewish influence as right wing exmtremists. I got 3 posts removed here.
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this guy has many holes in his world view....he is not jewish , he is a cultuist , he denys the creator and yet cleaves to judaism....it makes no sense
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samaroo96 6 days ago
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samaroo96 6 days ago
Knowing about car and how it works does not disprove car designer. Same way knowing about universe and how it works does not disprove God. We know gases in sun, law of gravity, distance of planets it does not disprove God. But how they came in existence, Who created it ? Was it by evolution theory and big bang action, From where beginning of Life started first ? All these are still mystery. Theists believe all was created by God, atheists believe it was created by itself.
samaroo96 2 weeks ago
@samaroo96 but it is said evolution is not true,it's creationism ...it is said the world is flat..but it's not
it is said the world is like 6000 years old...but it's not...if the car designer says the car doesn't run on petrol...and you find out it is..it does disprove the car designer was wrong..and not to be believed
MrPwnzorrosco 6 days ago
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@MrPwnzorrosco There is big difference between World and Creation. When God started creation, Earth was already there with water all over and without any form. Earth was created "In The Beginning" which could be billions or millions years old. But light, sun, moon, stars, trees, animals, men all were created 6 thousand years before only. By the way we don't have more than 6 thousand years old fossils but we have rocks more than 6 thousands years old. Believe in Bible and Gospel.
samaroo96 6 days ago
@MrPwnzorrosco Fossil is just a impression of bone, leaf, plant in mud which gradually becomes solid rock after certain temperature, compression and atmosphere. If you keep a flower in your Book and put some weight and leave it for couple of month or longer. It would be consider kind of fossil too. Just getting fossil does not proof that our ancestors were apes or we share common ancestors. Till today we have received fossils of 100% plants, animals or insects. Think more buddy.
samaroo96 6 days ago
@MrPwnzorrosco Fossil is just a impression of bone, leaf, plant in mud which gradually becomes solid rock after certain temperature, compression and atmosphere. If you keep a flower in your Book and put some weight and leave it for couple of month or longer. It would be consider kind of fossil too. Till today we have received fossils of 100% plants, animals or insects. If we could get half ape and half monkey or half animal half plant then could think authenticity of evolution.
samaroo96 6 days ago
@samaroo96 Then they date the book,and see it was only released 10 years ago...so the fossil couldnt be any older than ten years....
so when they carbon date other fossil and find they are hundred of thousands of years old...work it out
MrPwnzorrosco 6 days ago
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detahdomo 2 months ago
R.I.P Hitch
Kclaybond 2 months ago
"A Great voice has fallen silent. A great heart has stopped."
2210ethan 2 months ago
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2210ethan 2 months ago
What a wit Chris had. I will never regret emulating him in my life.
cameradanblack 2 months ago
What a void has been made.
IgnoranceBlissful 2 months ago
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A great person and mind has been lost a few hours ago. You will be missed by many, but never forgotten.
gotitans999 2 months ago
This guy can go on forever without exhausting his word or thought supply. He's so great.
Zimnyification 2 months ago
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"God" haters are a ridiculous set. Certain people will seek out thought-structures which allow them to hate, to persecute others, physically, emotionally, etc. Human institutions change; human psychology doesn't change. There is an upsetting (and a subtle) symbolic link between the old Spanish inquisitor and a modern day atheist on the offensive.
Good people don't hurt others, whether or not they believe in "God."
Ariel62073 3 months ago
"...creatures..." ?
Tsnore 4 months ago
Hitch's grasp of antisemitism is incredible. The comments here are doing a great disservice to him by turning this into a petty feud over religion. When Hitch says that antisemitism is a toxin to the societies that harbor it, he's referring to the fact that it brings the worst elements of society--demagogy, conspiracy theory, etc--into the mainstream. To ignore this, thinking that you can push the blame onto Christians (who aren't innocent) is nonproductive, because its true root is universal.
shmuelposin 5 months ago
HITCHENS IS A JEW, on his mothers side - the one that counts in Judaism.
Of course he 'respects' Judaism. 1:21 It's Christianity and Islam he is against. All the 'intellectuals' who worship Hitchens should realise they are just gullible fools, buying his Jewish supremacism in the guise of atheism. The one country in the world that has stolen it's entire country and still murders daily in the name of God never gets slated by him.
guydecervens 6 months ago
@guydecervens
So why does he keep bringing up radical doomsday Jews whenever explaining why he's opposed to religion and theocracy? Why does he keep criticizing the Torah (including the Abraham-Isaac) bit as one of the worst viles in... well, it's Judaism, ain't it? Why does he keep criticizing the Jewish "thx god that I'm not a woman or cattle"?
Where did he ever argue for the validity of Jewish religious claims? Oh wait, he didn't? So whatever bias he may have towards the Jewish PEOPLE, ...
twooffour 5 months ago
@guydecervens
... he obviously doesn't accept their religion in any way, and is still... an atheist.
You, sir, are a buffoon.
twooffour 5 months ago
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@twooffour "You, sir, are a buffoon" ... ha ha. Only a buffoon talks like that. Do you think you're in an Elizabethan novel? You must understand when entertainers like Dorkins and Jewkins talk like that it's just part of their act. You didn't know that? I guess there's a lot you don't know if you fall for Hitchens' particular line of shit.
guydecervens 5 months ago
@guydecervens I suppose you could say we stole this entire country. I believe it's high time Israel recognized Palestine's right to exist.
casman328 5 months ago
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@guydecervens You have no fucking idea what you are talking about...
NotAG4yName 5 months ago
Does anybody know if Hitchens has croaked yet?
YesYou123333 8 months ago
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@YesYou123333 We do know for a fact that you are an utterly disgusting person.
Viracocha711 7 months ago
Hitch missed one here. There are many parallels between the Catholic Irish and the Palestinians. The Roman Church and Islam would rather people died than let them free. In both cases the narratives of ‘oppression’ were carefully crafted by dishonest, manipulative clerics. America itself has become transmogrified by the vast import of Catholic Irish who have, ever since been determined revisionists of American history. Catholics played NO PART in the founding principles of the US.
ritchloui 8 months ago
Here, piss off christopher hitchens!! we do not have slums in belfast!!!
professorimpossible 8 months ago
@professorimpossible Weak and beside the point. It's probably the first time you've ever heard the Catholic Irish of America EVER criticized. Notice how quiet the audience went when Hitch mentioned that the worst enemies of black Americans were the Catholic Irish. I would go further, the real atrocities against the Native American Indians in the northern continent began 250 years after the southern continent, with the arrival of Catholics.
ritchloui 8 months ago
@ritchloui I'm not undermining his point at all, I agree with him, everywhere but where he says the slums of belfast, I live in belfast and there aren't any slums! Some people have tacky christmas decorations and some people let their garden go to sh1t, but there are no areas in belfast, or in my knowledge nothern ireland that can be described as a slum!!!
professorimpossible 8 months ago
@professorimpossible I stand corrected and am delighted to hear that Belfast doesn't have any slums. We have quite a lot in London, especially the 1960's housing estates! They are like gigantic open prisons. I think the word 'slum' is too closely identified with Dickensian squallor and ruin. I don't think anywhere in the UK is that bad.
ritchloui 8 months ago
@ritchloui Lol, I too stand corrected, I've just been to the Asda in the Westwood centre . . if that's not a slum it's a bomb site!! But that's because they make a point of hiring lazy barstwewards!
professorimpossible 8 months ago
@professorimpossible It's worth your visiting this vid again. I'm in the midst of an argument.
ritchloui 8 months ago
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I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general secular social perspectives
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I'm starting on a blog called critiquesofchristianity.blogspot.com
I will completely and utterlly destory the religion of Christianity and leave its doctrines and bible in shambles. Right now i have only about 20 or so posts up of what will soon consist of 200, If anyone is interested please check it out.
NicholasMagus666 9 months ago
Mr Flibble congratulates Christopher Hitchens!
MrFlibbleIsKing 9 months ago
" Bring it on. " Gotta love him!!!
nikitaldy01 9 months ago
I'd totally go gay for hitchens
CatFacedKillers 9 months ago
@timjdong you should stop copy and pasting this ignorant comment on all the videos of hitchens. Vanity Fair had content on politics, culture, literature, and, yes, fashion. It is not a fashion magazine. He also haso more than a dozen highly-regarded books on the shelves of fine bookstores everywhere. Btw, Why Orwell Matters is not about fashion.
Ematched 9 months ago
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Twas just revealed to me that Hitch writes & edits for VANITY FAIR! My God a FASHION magazine, really Hitch? Man that's disappointing. I'm sure it pays well but what about all the royalties from your books? I'm embarrassed to admit, but that does ruin your cred. a bit. Get well soon (& get a new job : )
timjdong 10 months ago
The man is always riveting.
Composer19691 10 months ago
What is a "roving microphone"?
writersblock26 11 months ago
@writersblock26 On that is walked around by an attendant to those with their hands raised or (less likely) passed around through the audience.
M0US3P0T4TO 10 months ago
@M0US3P0T4TO Thank you for the enlightenment.
writersblock26 10 months ago
I was really disappointed in the last part of this video. To say that Jews are what keeps society from degrading is just disgusting, and more importantly, no different from saying that the continued presence of Jews are the cause of all a nation's ills. Jews are no better and no worse than any other people and furthermore, most Jews aren't even Jews in the first place, they are atheists who call themselves Jews.
christo930 11 months ago
Firstly, Mr. Hitchens, I agree with most of what you're saying, (and I've been a fan of yours for quite some time). But I, as an occasional historian, can tell you that the expulsion of the Jews of Spain did not mean a regression for Spain to the middle ages: the expulsion happened on the same exact year of the beginning of Spanish imperial expansion to the so-called "New World". In what sense do you mean "regression"? England and France expelled Jews before Spain did, but no one remembers it.
melancholicme123 11 months ago
@melancholicme123 You don't see the 'regression' in Spain with the expulsion of the Jews? The Roman Catholic Inquisition and its application in South America is one of the darkest chapters in human history. Europe too was a blood bath under the Roman Church. Obviously Islam has a grizzly history that it too has worked tirelessly to hide, not least the HUGE 1,400 year Arab Muslim slave trade in Africa. Largely unknown. The Arabians themselves have barely any pre-Islamic history; all destroyed..
ritchloui 8 months ago
@ritchloui Indeed, the Catholic Inquisition and its application in the Western Hemisphere (not just in South America, as Mexico and Central America are not "South America") was one of the darkest chapters in human history. My comment was merely aimed at suggesting that it would be inaccurate to call a "regression" what was truly the beginning of the first Empire of the modern times, i.e., the Spanish one. France and England had expelled Jews way before Spain, and no one talks about "regression".
melancholicme123 8 months ago
@melancholicme123 I beg to differ; there was NOTHING modern about it. The Spanish and Portuguese were the last chapter of Medievilism. Certainly NOT the first chapter of the ‘modern empires’ that were to come. That’s the whole point. That’s why the horror of what was done by the Spanish and Portuguese aka the Roman Church is so obviously ‘of a different age’ and is carefully excused as such. They were more backward even than the Persians, Greeks and Romans who came before.
ritchloui 8 months ago
@ritchloui Sorry, but most scholars agree that Modernity started with the European expansion (as brutal and atrocious as it may look to us now), lead by the Spanish and Portuguese. The Spanish were, like it or not, the first modern Empire, period. Their horror was different from the horror of the Protestants in England and elsewhere only in the number of victims, not in viciousness. To compare early modern Iberia with the Persians, Greeks and Romans is not only ahistorical, but also misleading.
melancholicme123 8 months ago
5:48 Wait.... That's a woman!!!!!!
freezazoid 1 year ago
@hexcane Classic basement troll. Yes, it would be a scary, soulless world.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
"Movies aren't made for people like me anymore".......LOL Gotta love the Hitch!
foamulator 1 year ago
Get well soon :(
cr4yv3n 1 year ago 2
I'm sure most well read folk would agree that, the theory of Charles Darwin was inspirational when it came to murder/slavery.
Britain armed with Darwin's theory, thought nothing of wiping out people because they looked like apes. But I suppose nobody wants to upset Chris with this type of news.
Goldie450 1 year ago
@Goldie450 Are you simple?
You appear to suggest that murder and slavery were created or got worse after Darwin's theory. Is this what you're saying?
tomspencer155 1 year ago
@tomspencer155 Don't try to put words in my mouth.I love the way you sneaked in "created" nice try! Check it out on Wikipedia wise guy. You might wish to check out how many people JESUS murdered while he was on earth.
But then none of you guys believe in Jesus,NOW THAT'S CONVENIET!
Goldie450 1 year ago
No mention here of the mass atrocities carried out by the British, which are to many to print here. I don't say this lightly as I am British.
I am also willing to forgive modern day Germany for it's roll in the unbelievable Murder of the Jews,which sadly goes to prove that Chris simple hates the Jews.
I find this bloody typical of this world," lets keep hating the Jews for a crime committed 2000 years ago" Leave the Jews alone Chris Shame on you!
Goldie450 1 year ago
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la2111 1 year ago
@Goldie450 Please highlight a video or quote where it appears Hitchens hates Jews for Christs' murder.
tomspencer155 1 year ago
@tomspencer155 Well let's say he's not a BIG FAN of Jesus- King of the JEWS!
Where did I say Hitchy SAID the Jews killed Jesus. I said it was bloody typical of this WORLD for hating the Jews. However Hitchy and other's in MANY other videos don't believe in the King of the Jews.
Goldie450 1 year ago
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@Goldie450 Why do you believe in Jesus?
tomspencer155 1 year ago
Hitchens you can have my body !
Earrot 1 year ago
@Earrot holy shit lol
OyonTheAdept 1 year ago
I wish I could clone an army of Hitchens's, so we could rule the world rationally!...
...muahahaahahaaaa! *evil altruistic laugh
=3
TAz69x 1 year ago 71
@TAz69x It would be a scary world.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@TAz69x you and me both it would be a better world
phildirt3 1 year ago
@TAz69x What is =3?
blarson12 9 months ago
@blarson12 an emoticon, denoting jubilation, jokingness, comfort/happiness, since strictly textual replies most often lack tone for which the writer intended
（ ^_^）o自
Cheers
TAz69x 9 months ago
@TAz69x Well to me it looked like a ball sack turned sideways.
blarson12 9 months ago
@blarson12 think of a cat's mouth, then work your imagination from there
TAz69x 9 months ago
@TAz69x I don't know man, i can't see it. To me it still looks like a ball sack.
blarson12 9 months ago
Hitchens is brilliant when discussing religion but when it comes to Israel and anti-semitism, he simply does not understand the valid criticism of muslim countries of the invasion and related attrocities committed by the U.S. and Israel. He generalizes this disdain to dissidents on the left like Chomsky who really has a much keener grasp of history geopolitics - however good clip thanks for posting.
RainmanCT 1 year ago
@RainmanCT His a realist, in his world view (mine too) islam is a real valid threat to our freedom (mainly that of free speech, if you disagree look at the mandates being put forward by islamic country's in the UN) thus as his said, he doesn't love our enemies and doesn't want anyone to love them for us he wants to isolate and destroy them its not that he doesn't know that all thats going on over there isnt really good, or legal, but in war bad things happen, and in his (and mine) it is a war.
Exiledloser 1 year ago
@Exiledloser I completely agree. But I would add another enemy to the equation: the Vatican, i.e., the only theocratical monarchy left in the Western World. Their teachings are dangerous, wicked, pernicious, immoral, insidious, degrading, preposterous, misogynistic, and homophobic, It's no surprise that the Vatican aligned itself with the Islamic nations in an effort to veto a UN resolution that would de-criminalize homosexuality worldwide.
melancholicme123 11 months ago 2
Another aspect of judaism which I can appreciate is the they don't believe in heaven (a christian invention). In any case they suffer from psychosis as any of the other faithful folk infected by religionism.
manlioman 1 year ago
Omg! Hitchens should do some stand-up!!!
lector0003 1 year ago
@lector0003 Search for "christopher hitchens standup" here on YouTube, I think there are three videos out there. Fucking hilarious stuff.
ruinedbyidiots 1 year ago
"Fuck that!" HAHAHA. Hitchens... what a man. Love him.
Chigokai1080 1 year ago 36
@Chigokai1080 except what he just said is not true. Hitchenses ability to exaggerate and blow out of proportion in yes, eloquent and very entertaining way is stunning. And entertaining. Yes, he is cute. Nonchalance of a half drunken poet was always very attractive to people. He is the best in it. But to answer his own please, I will question conventions including the one of his make.
jankob13 1 year ago
recording quality is not very good, i hope UCLA with buy a proper gear.
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
@stokesterful but thank God for people like you saving humanity by posting comments on YouTube
schrire39 1 year ago
no i didnt hate Jews because, until now, i didnt know Bernie Madoff was one....DAMN YOUSS... ;)
diceyLee 1 year ago
@diceyLee Jews are ok in my book.
It was cruel when Nazis kills a huge bunch of Jews in Germany a many many years back.
It was horrible Aadol Hitler's season.
Oh men Hitler is surely in the hell.
MrJuha82 1 year ago
@MrJuha82 im done talking with you... find someone else to listen 2 you....
diceyLee 1 year ago
@diceyLee i think we can to change still opinions and talks here but still dont need to be friends either.
AMEN.
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diceyLee 1 year ago
I don't quite understand the point Christopher was making with regards to anti-semitism beinga unique harbinger of a society's degredation and ultimate downfall. This would seem to indicate a certain 'chosen-ness' of Jewish people, would it not? I'm actually Jewish, but I abhor the 'chosen people' mentality and was under the impression that Hitch (a personal hero of mine actually) felt the same.
Anyone care to explain?
sgblack 1 year ago
@sgblack I really don't think he meant that. I think he was referring to how Jews have been the historical 'scape goat' for many failing society's ills, a barometer of ill weather engulfing a nation.
Probably due to the universal 'other-ness' that the Jews have been viewed with, due to their restricted professions over the centuries(in many European countries and possibly others)..all stemming back to that whole 'christ-killing' mentality Hitch was talking about.
Hope that made sense?
comanchio1976 1 year ago
@comanchio1976 I actually figured that out after re-watching, but your reply was wonderfully cogent and informative nonetheless. So thanks. :)
sgblack 1 year ago
@sgblack Yes. As long as Jews assert they are god's chosen people Christians will have a specific reactions to this. As long as Christians believe Jews reject Christ and are doomed to eternal hellfire, Judaic believers will have a reaction to this. Atheists can and do laugh this off as we know better. But both sides of this religious difference are dead serious, and all sides act out in their own respective ways. Hence anti-semitism and Jewish inspired Christian cultural subversion. Insanity!
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
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schrire39 1 year ago
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@FaganRoberts you clearly have no grasp about the history or nature of antisemetism. You are under the misapprenhesion that it is some sort of theological dispute. Do some reading (some real reading), I don't want mean to sound rude but your points are vague and ignorant. So I'm wrapping up my part of this dialouge. Feel free to have the last word.
schrire39 1 year ago
@schrire39 Oh, I am sure there are many facets to anti-semitism, much like there are probably many facets to racist and cultural Judaic/Islamic anti-Christianity, I am just staying focused on the topic, which happens to be the religious aspect of the conflagration.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
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@FaganRoberts you clearly have no grasp about the history or nature of antisemetism. You are under the misapprenhesion that it is some sort of theological dispute. Do some reading (some real reading), I don't want mean to sound rude but your points are vague and ignorant. So I'm wrapping up my part of this dialouge. Feel free to have the last word.
schrire39 1 year ago
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@FaganRoberts you clearly have no grasp about what the history or nature of antisemetism. You are under the misapprenhesion that it is some sort of theological dispute. Do some reading (some real reading), I don't want mean to sound rude but your points are vague and ignorant. So I'm wrapping up my part of this dialouge. Feel free to have the last word.
schrire39 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts you clearly have no grasp about the history or nature of antisemetism. You are under the misapprenhesion that it is some sort of theological dispute. Do some reading (some real reading), I don't want mean to sound rude but your points are vague and ignorant. So I'm wrapping up my part of this dialouge. Feel free to have the last word.
schrire39 1 year ago
@sgblack He meant Jews are the initial targets of extreme forces wishing to build their power using Antisemitism as a starter platform, If you wish to become dictator, you need to unify people against a common enemy that cannot fight back effectively, Jews are perfect for that. Of course this is mainly works in Europe, European Asia and now in the Middle East, it wont work in China.
Mishkafofer 4 months ago
I wish he would cough at my face
bfoaliali 1 year ago
y does he always dress like a plantation owner?
thedelta88 1 year ago
@thedelta88
Nobody owned a plantation on Miami Vice.
PlacentaPudding 1 year ago
@PlacentaPudding Nice lol
xSolraccarloSx 1 year ago
why is it that Athiests must take full responsibility for the acts of Hitler and Stalin, while the far more numerous (and higher relative percentage of) atrocities of those of faith are merely dismissed as people of "other" faiths?
Those who believe in a God or Gods have far more to answer for, and if they refuse to do so, let me simply say that in regards to Hitler, Stalin, and all the other "evil" atheists—they were those "other" atheists, not us.
wordsinmind 1 year ago 2
@wordsinmind minus hitler... it's rather aggravating to here it because it's just simple arguments theists are fed to battle the fact that the evidence that suggests hitler as a theist is better then the other way around. keep hitler on the theist side where he belongs.
sylence7 1 year ago
Christopher Hitchens needs a lesson in evolution by Mrs. Garrison
retroguy02 1 year ago
@graemealee Stalin was a radical atheist, and Hitler was also strongly atheist. Should you be ashamed of that? We all have our share of nutjobs
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 @retroguy02 In public statements, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture, and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ. In a proclamation to the German Nation February 1, 1933 Hitler stated, "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built.
maddtappin 1 year ago
@maddtappin
Hitler admired Islam,he was not an atheist or a Christian
Hitler quote"
You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness...."
Universefreedom 1 year ago
@Universefreedom Yeah ive heard everything...hitler loved this and Hitler loved that....I think the point is Hilter was an irrational thinker.
maddtappin 1 year ago
@retroguy02
Hitler wasn't actually an Atheist, but your point still stands, I think.
TheVeryAmazingMe 1 year ago
@retroguy02
Hitler was a Catholic. The official nazi uniform had the germ for "god is with us" on the belt buckle.
Stalin was himself an Atheist but he created a cult of personality round himself. If you are Stalin, you have to be mad not to abuse peoples eagerness to believe in trash. He was subject to devotion the likes of which can be found in North Korea. He got rid of the religions as best he could so he could brainwash people into his cult of personality.
Averagegamer100 1 year ago 5
@Averagegamer100 Very well put, this is the most eloquent way to put this to morons, and it's 100% acurate. Thumbs up!
ChristopherLuck 1 year ago
@Averagegamer100 what do you think of the belief in dialectical materialism being similar to a belief in god?
Golkarian 1 year ago
@Golkarian In what way do you think that they are similar?
Averagegamer100 1 year ago
@Averagegamer100, I was just wondering what you thought about it, it has been suggested by Bertrand Russell. I suppose he thought they were similar because they controlled the universe, not like a law of nature, but like a force that favors the prolatariat, like a god would favor the religious. I'm not sure if I agree with it but was wondering what you thought.
Golkarian 1 year ago
@Golkarian I suppose I could see what he was getting at. The god label, for me, carries something else with it. Things like omnipotence and the ability to perform miracles etc So to the extent that they both in their own way control or oversee what happens, they are similar, but that's where the similarities would end so I'm not sure it's similar to a belief in a god at all.
Averagegamer100 1 year ago
LOL 1:30 greatest understatement in human history
artistsandbox 1 year ago
at ca. 10 min: hitchens makes no real effort to disclose what exactly is so wrong about the analogy of palestine civil rights struggle to the african american one ?
he just says: haha it's wrong, the palestinians had it coming
granted, i'm worried by the association of the left with anti-semites and miltant muslims. but it's a fact that since yitzhak rabins assassination the palestinians were systematically deprived of elemtary human rights. their plight is as important as the afghani women's
dontliethetruth 1 year ago
@dontlie
Several problems with the analogy. First there's a difference in goals. In each case what are the oppressed fighting for? The same thing? What we see in Palestine is a tribal stuggle between 2 peoples with legitimate (though tainted) nationalist aspirations. Israeli policy may be immoral & unjust, but there's nothing akin to a legacy of African slavery. If one sees all conflict as between the powerful and the oppressed, it's easy to draw the analogy but it's at best, superficial.
hazydavey 1 year ago
@stokesterful What do you do for other people? You can't tell me you have some insight into his personal life which is hidden from everyone else. You don't know how much, and to what charities he donates. You cannot say what value a person is to others. I owe more to Christopher Hitchens than I do to any religious person I know of. He ignited my passion for Journalism, literature, politics, and philosophy. Maybe you should just shut your mouth and work on your own fucking problems.
PCrePs 1 year ago
@PCrePs
He champions Doctors w/o Borders, one of the only orgs he feels (and I agree) does not tie their good actions with a religious or political agenda, nor enables a continuing cycle of addiction to charity; and consistently spends almost all the donations on actual field service instead of administration.
He does more with his advocacy for reason and secularism than all the religious aid organizations put together; he advocates for the freedom to reason instead of worship.
Fabstaire 1 year ago
@Fabstaire I couldn't have put it better myself. He also, until recently, if you follow his column on Slate, supported Amnesty International. A secular organization that has done more for advocating peace and helping political prisoners than any religious group I can name. It's too bad they've started giving in the political pressure, and aligning themselves with other organizations than are far more radical and dangerous.
PCrePs 1 year ago
@PCrePs
AI--great org, but I agree with your last sentence, that's why I can't quite support them like I do Dw/oB. They are really courageous though. Another admirable org is ACLU. But again, the same Achilles heel. Still, where would we be without both?
Fabstaire 1 year ago
How does Hitchens remember all these books let alone how did he manage to read them all. What have I been doing with my time? I can barely read anything - when did he do all this reading and then how did he remember it all in a way he can just pull references out of his ass on the fly like this. I'm impressed.
asiekdilsa 1 year ago
@asiekdilsa he's a writer, it's his job assignment
dontliethetruth 1 year ago
@dontliethetruth Even so - his whiskey soaked brain works pretty good.
asiekdilsa 1 year ago 2
he is right i wouldn't give a shite if any mental muslim said anything about us irish and no 1 i know would care..
johnnyd101 1 year ago 3
@johnnyd101 we'd all basically just be like wtf u gonna do? lol
Menla1 1 year ago
Hope you guys like the 1 GOD MORE song I wrote about Dawkins and Hitchens. Click on my channel and check it out if you havn't heard it.
kansaimagic 1 year ago
With regard to the Jews and Judaism, any race or group of people who claim to be "god's chosen people" are by any definition, insane. I love The Hitch, but he always fails to mention this little nugget of truth about this first of the monotheistic gutter religions called Judaism. One can call this out w/out condemning a whole race of people. But Judaism's defense mechanism is always the incessant cry of anti-Semitism.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago 3
@FaganRoberts
On the contrary, Hitchens is scathing in his criticism of Judaism's claim to be "chosen." Obviously, in this particular Q & A, he's asked about the qualities about Judaism he admires but in his writing and countless other species he's unsparing in blasting the notion that a Bronze age tribe claims that it has an exclusive Covenent with God, to say nothing of the racism and genocide throughout the Old Testament.
hazydavey 1 year ago
@hazydavey I understand that Hitchens is no friend of Judaism. But I have read his books and I've seen many of his interviews and debates on this subject. I still contend based on what I've seen and read that he's a bit soft on that particular branch of monotheism when contrasted to Christianity and Islam. He does rightfully renounce the Old Testament quite often, usually within the context of the Christian faith, but he seems to be reticent regarding the Talmud and other Judaic texts.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts "never fails to mention"? are you kidding me? Have you read God is Not Great? Have you seen Hitch debate various rabbis in which he repeats over and over again that circumscion is "genital mutilation"....?
also, don't confuse your issues: God of Abraham, chosen people and religion maybe crazy stuff,- but antisemtism is a very real phenomenon. Methinks you an agenda of some kind....
schrire39 1 year ago
@schrire39 It is "crazy stuff." And I know the racist "god's chosen people" mentality forms much of the reactionary basis for anti-semitism throughout the ages, particularly with other religious fanatics. We can laugh it off. Or you can proclaim confusion and assert some kind of personal agenda to others regarding antisemtism or antiChristianity or whatever reaction. But the god chosen people mental perversion is REAL my friend. I'm semitic , my agenda is exposing facts not personal vendettas.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts firstly, what does "I'm Semetic" mean? does it absolve you from rational debate or mean that you cannot possibly have an irrational hatred of Jews? secondly, hatred of an enitire group of people is not "a reaction"- it is dangerous pyschological impulse in the mind of the hater...people hate people for all sorts of reasons. The fact that Judaism contains in it superior/ racist notions of chosn people is simply *not* the cause of anitsemetism ...of course, Jew haters say it is...
schrire39 1 year ago
@schrire39 I think many people have an aversion to any religious group or racial subdivision that proclaims itself to be specially chosen by a god to exist thereby giving them justification to assert themselves based on that false superiority when interacting w/ others at any level. Whether it be merely interpersonal or all the way up to the international hegemonic arena. Whether it is rational or not, it rubs many people the wrong way. It needs to be called out if progress is to be made.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts sure &enlightened people (mostly Jews!) "call it out" all the time... but the history of Jew-hatred is a history of violent hatred and opression, not a "response" to notions some Jews may or may not have about being superiour. Historiacally Jews had absolutely no milatary protection or power. In other words, unless your genda is to *blame the victim*, the history of Jewhatred doesn't have much to do with the notion of "choseness".... oh, and you never explained what "I'm Semetic"
schrire39 1 year ago
@schrire39 Often this hatred is based on the Jewish assertion that they are god's chosen people. Sometimes it is based on Jewish anti-Christian pronouncements and actions against Christian traditions and culture based on old European assertions that they are saved for god's salvation while Jews reject Christ and doomed to hell-fire. My only point is that religion confuses everything, on all sides. Jews, Christians, Islam, Hindus are all guilty of this. I'm semitic, non-Jewish, hence atheist.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
please come and listen to my music
TheKingbluez 1 year ago
Question: Why aren't you more vocal about banning circumcision? It would deal a serious blow to religion and bring about some much needed common sense.
321lawc 1 year ago
my dads cousin was the personal communications officer (or whatever the dude who works the radio is called) for hans blix during the 80s, and he lived on both sides of the wall during different periods of his life, until his house on the palestinian side was bombed when his family was fortunately out. He is a stoic man of few words from the very north of sweden (pitea) and all we could manage to squeeze out of him as far as anecdotes was "each side is as fucked up as the next".
kallefredrikson 1 year ago
@kallefredrikson it is sad, but he couldn't realistically imagine any sort of real peace in the area in the foreseeable future. it is astonishing that, as a species, we have travelled to the moon and split the atom, but we still havn't found a satisfactory solution to (i hesitate to say) petty territorial grudges...
kallefredrikson 1 year ago
@kallefredrikson Well I agree it is sad, but we are still apes. Our brains have gotten better at allowing us to make fantastic tools and other devices, but our brains really haven't moved all that far from our cousins emotionally. Some of our species are only a couple of hairs away still. But we (well some of us) are making some progress.
RhondaH 1 year ago
@RhondaH and its up to the ones that have progressed to help the others but many just will not accept the help and some are just too indoctrinated. its like there brain is a computer and its programmed to denie knowlege, it just bounces off there brain.
patrickledford420 1 year ago
@kallefredrikson
I can imagine peace in the region, but it basically involves someone either using unclear weapons to turn the landscape irrevocably to undifferentiated glass incapable of supporting life of any sort, or to walling the area in completely until the last two surviving members of opposing religious sects die stabbing each other and the fire thus burns out.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@kallefredrikson Best explanation of the issue so far. Really.
retroguy02 1 year ago
The audio is somewhat unclear, I missed the book he refers to about the comparison of post-colonial seiges in Israel, Ireland and South Africa, does anyone know the name or better yet the author of the book?
pritz29 2 years ago
It's called 'The siege' by Conor Cruise O'Brien, the Irish intellectual.
MrTomlor3103 1 year ago
was on ok form hitchens more interesting to read the hate and love he brings out in others this time
djartaldous 2 years ago
Power is power. Jews have lots of power, both financial and political. But somehow you cant be critical about this type of power without getting the posts removed.
So we cant speak truth to power? I see.
I pointed out some hipocritical views among jews. On the one hand they are against "white power" in South-Africa, yet themselves discriminate in Israel.
Dont get me wrong. I support Israel and their right to have a state. But im also against the current persecution of whites in South Africa.
fillosofert 2 years ago
Brilliant BRILLIANT! Thanks for posting!!!!!
nyomythus 2 years ago 6
HItchens is my new mentor and hero!
zivaray 2 years ago 71
@zivaray puppet
dontliethetruth 1 year ago
@zivaray
"amen"!
Fabstaire 1 year ago
Hitchens rocks, NO GOD!
CondorDM 2 years ago
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this guy is the king of the ismists
SHMUJEW 2 years ago
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this guy is the best friend of traitor jews
SHMUJEW 2 years ago
You misspelled "Trader Joe's".
johnclavis 2 years ago 16
They only allow the dumb, right wing extremists to debate this issue.
People with a more nuanced view, like me, get the posts removed.
If u write something nuanced and critical about jewish power, u get your posts removed. This is a clever way to portray all people who are uncomfortable with too much jewish influence as right wing exmtremists. I got 3 posts removed here.
fillosofert 2 years ago
@fillosofert
fake leftist. that's all you are- a fake leftist or a failed leftist
harrymon0 1 year ago
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this guy has many holes in his world view....he is not jewish , he is a cultuist , he denys the creator and yet cleaves to judaism....it makes no sense
SHMUJEW 2 years ago