Obama Meets With Iraqi PM in Baghdad

[donottake]

One

Big

Ass

Mistake

America

[arvydas0069]

I was there

[TonyaTko]

Nice Video!

I did one too about this whole debacle. I will send it to you. Tell me what you think.

-TonyaTko

[viriduspuck]

God Obama is GOOD!

Finally a pol that doesnt make me cringe everytime he opens his mouth.

I like how he introduced the other Senators, and sat directly next to the PM.

That there ladies and gentlemen is our next POTUS.

[sadieaugust]

If you listen to this video you'll hear the Black Panther's demands that the Blacks be exempt from military service.

Black Panthers: What We Want!!!

youtube(dot)com/watch?v=5mpFCt­ftF7c&feature=related

I don't know why I'm getting a space after the e on related after I post but it should not be there.

I wonder how easy it would be for Obama to sneak Black Panther members into the white house, a few at a time, until a whole army occupied the white house in order to hold up Congress.

[sadieaugust]

Obama has promised La Raza that when he becomes president he will give back TO Mexico the following states: Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, California, Nevada, Utah, and Wyoming. Obama is telling these Hispanic organizations that they can count on him to do this because of the Democratically-controlled Congress. SO, OBAMA SAYS, "LEARN TO SPEAK SPANISH!"

[sadieaugust]

Obama is a shit stirrer but nothing Obama does is wrong anyway. So, let him give these states back to Mexico. Soon you'll be living in Mexico. LISTEN TO OBAMA, "LEARN TO SPEAK SPANISH!"

I guess the Black Panthers & Nation of Islam can't handle governing the whole country or they just want to be generous with the Hispanics for a presidential guarantee of Obama.

gallup(dot)com/poll/108532/His­panic-Voters-Solidly-Behind-Ob­ama.aspx

[CBERASTUS]

I honestly don't get why Obama is being treated like a rock star on a world tour. I suppose the media is SO incredibly biased that they are using everything in their power to promote their liberal candidate.

The American people want a President for a leader...not a media darling.

[mydogma]

Probably because he is most likely one of two indivduals who will be US president end of this year, and that there future many be dependent on them.

it does not hurt to be a "media Darling" when the world opinion on the US is low, espically in this era of globalisation.

[CBERASTUS]

No, all of this reminds me of the old video clips of Hitler brainwashing the masses. Propaganda, pure and simple.

Of course, the U.K. (and Chamberlain) fell for that circa 80 years ago. ;)

[mydogma]

It is impossible to say what people will do with power, until they have it, that is why there is an element of faith that goes into the process, look at Bin Laden or Hitler.

World media is not run by the obama or Democrats, it is run by what people what to see, in terms of America, what to see change. He is bring that idea more successfully then MaCain, dont feel that he should be osterized for it. He is playing the game and playing it well,

The old saying does Dont hate the player,...

[CBERASTUS]

I'm sorry, but your writing sucks. I can't understand a word you write.

Also, why are you taking a stake in this election? I'm not sure it is any of your business.

[mydogma]

English is one of several other lanuages I write and speak, so forgive me if somethings get lost in translation.

If you think US politics only effect the US and has nothing to do with the rest of the world, then I have already wasted to much time with you.

[CBERASTUS]

Well, you do not write English very well my friend. Go back to school.

As for your participation in U.S. politics, we can easily manage without you.

Good day.

[dotsona07]

@Cberatus - Your rude and ignorant, I think your the one who needs to be educated.

[N3V3RM1ND25]

LOL!

I like how he meets with Nouri al-Maliki as if it actually means ANYTHING. Sure, it looks good for the cameras and for his political campaign but that's it.

Nouri al-Maliki is nothing more than a puppet for the US government in all of this, rofl.

[Claytrainor]

yup, and going to iraq serves no value in understanding the Iraq war. All you need to do is read the dam constitution and boom... undeclared illegal war! Get the fuck out of the immediately, that's the only solution. America will leave eventually but it will probably be when they finally deflate their dollar enough and the defensive jihad has risen through out the entire muslim land.

read up on defensive jihad people... they are on the defense of their holy land, and that's all they know!

[hicabicapo2]

dude your awsome

[ViajeroP]

He looks cool and calm, and gracious. Bush always looks uncomfortable, formal, stilted.

Obama is more real, likable, and most of the world (and most sane Americans) are rooting for change.

It's time to turn the page on the Cheney - Rumsfeld - Rove - Gonzalez - Wolfowitz - Dubya Gump nightmare, and be the best we can be.

[hicabicapo2]

I have a question what is he gonna change and americans are always the best we can be! Another thing if he is so real how come he renounced his religion of like 23 years after he was called out about it.

[ViajeroP]

Above you said: "barak is a arab ass he can go to hell".

This means you're an ignorant, racist twit, and you're not sincere. Get educated, or stay white trash.

[scarletohara2008]

how come Bush isn't over there doing something?

i guess he's golfing with chaney & counting up all the money they made on this war & with their oil stocks.

[hicabicapo2]

You know your funny. Uhhh i wanna know what you call all the sweat and blood that has been given by our boys over there. To me it sounds like you dont even appreciate what were doing over there. Oh and by the way if it werent for bush and our troops we would most likely have had more terrorist attacks on our OWN SOIL.

[Claytrainor]

Actually bro, your a little misguided. I have friends in Iraq right now who strongly disagree with you.

I of course appreciate the hard work our boys and girls are doing overseas, but i want them home, defending us instead of fighting an unconstitutional war, that is only giving OBL incentive to recruit more "terrorists". No matter how you feel about the war... we are losing, and we are goign to lose. Keeping the troops there will end up being one of the most epic American tradgedies Ever!

[scarletohara2008]

you miss the point. for years i cringed when someone said 'your not supporting our troops' when anyone disagreed with Bush to maninpute the masses. if you really cared about our boys you would be for getting them home in one piece. if Bush cared so much about 'our boys' then he would not have sent them there in the first place. the people from Iraq didn't attack us on 911. it all had to do with oil & money, do your home work, ever wonder why we haven't caught Osama Bin Landin yet..

[Claytrainor]

you can argue the rhetoric all you want. they are the same, and have the same masters.

It is a difference in strategy for the war, but an unconstitutional war. A war that we should not be fighting. Obama is a warmonger just like mccain, he will not take pre-emptive nuclear strikes off the table with iran, and Obama clearly ignores the CIA Bin Laden unit and members, as to why 911 happened.

Obama wont talk about the patriot act or the fed. 2 party dictatorship, enjoy your draft its coming :)

[Claytrainor]

scarletohara.  that responses was not meant for you... my bad. It was meant for d00derman.

[Claytrainor]

and scarlet, i have done my homework. ALOT of homework, andi think you are pretty spot on in your claims.

I just fear that you think Obama is any different at all. he's simply shifting the war strategy... your boys and girls will not be coming home under an obama presidency.

The war will get worse... obama does not understand the truth behind the growth of terrorism. We cant win this war, and Obama is only going to fuel the problem into a state where you'll need a draft to keep fighting.

[LordXmen2k]

Its funny that everyone but John McCain is embracing a timetable for Iraq, Bush with his "general time horizon" and diplomacy with Iran sounds more like Obama everyday.

The neocons must be furious, tough luck, keep jumping on the "Barack Obama Foreign Policy Bandwagon".

So funny. They call him inexperienced and he is now calling the shots wherever he goes.

LOL

OBAMA 08

[Claytrainor]

well Obama and Mccain are essentially the same. Obama just wants to displace the troops into afghanistan, not let them come home. He is for a new strategy ont he war, not for ending it. HE is washington, he is Bilderberg and he is CFR as is his wife.

I know you probably only pay attention to the issues your media makes you aware of, but bro, you gotta believe me.

Dems and Reps are NO different, and have the same puppet masters calling the shots.

Obama = Mccain.

[d00derman]

No they're not. One thinks that Iraq is the central point in the war on terror, the other thinks it's Afghanistan. One voted 95% with Bush on issues, the other didn't. We went through this in 2000 when people voted for Bush because "They're the same, and Bush isn't as boring as Gore, and you can have a beer with him". Of course that was greatly wrong, and we are now mired in problems.

[Claytrainor]

you can argue the rhetoric all you want. they are the same, and have the same masters.

It is a difference in strategy for the war, but an unconstitutional war. A war that we should not be fighting. Obama is a warmonger just like mccain, he will not take pre-emptive nuclear strikes off the table with iran, and Obama clearly ignores the CIA Bin Laden unit and members, as to why 911 happened.

Obama wont talk about the patriot act or the fed. 2 party dictatorship, enjoy your draft its coming :)

[d00derman]

Not rhetoric, just a matter of record, McCain votes 95% with Bush.

[mrbronze013]

Claytrainor: So you really believe that the US should let Al Queda set up shop in Afghanistan? The terrorist will not go away if we leave Afghanistan. In fact, they attacked us from Afghanistan before US had a presence there. It's far-left liberals like you that give democrats a bad name. Why do you think the US is in afghanistan? OIl? there is none. In fact there is nothing in afghanistan worth occupying. Anyone with half a brain know that it is a war that we have to win.

[Claytrainor]

First of all i believe AL CIADA will be become increasingly more powerless when we leave as the muslim world will no longer need to exercise defensive jihad when we leave.

Terrorist Leaders are able to recruit massive numbers due to the foreign intervention of the us. The defensive jihad has all to do with foreign occupation, and meddling. No amount of fighting will solve this problem, in fact the inverse is true. It will only add fuel to the flame that is terrorism.

[mrbronze013]

Claytrainor:The terrorist do not need reason to attack. The fact that these terrorist are willing to kill their own is a testament to that.The jihadists will see a US retreat from Afghanistan as sign of weakness and will use the country as a base to destroy the US. UBL have stated that is his goal.After they blew up USS cole and US embassies in Africa,the US did nothing and that only emboldened the enemy.If Al Queda reclaims Afghanistan that will only embolden them to topple other governments.

[Claytrainor]

Well in a way, you're correct. But nothing is going to stop it now. My argument is, being over there fighting the wars is only adding to the problem. There is hardcore proof behind that statement if you really want me to back it up, give me ur email.

Unfortunately for america, they let they're government run amock, and continue to do so. This means, you will likely suffer some pretty epic reprocussions, no matter what path we choose at this point. I truly am sorry to tell u this.

[Claytrainor]

I think the only real path is for America to return home from all 130+ occupied countries, defend their borders, work on missile defense systems and other defense equipment. Restore the 2nd amendment so the people are armed and ready if terrorists do come. Get your dollar back on a gold standard and can the federal reserve.

You then will have the republic in which the constitution states. You will still have enemies but you will be more prepared to defend. If they attack soon its bye bye USA

[Claytrainor]

honestly bro, im not trying to be arrogant in my opinions.

The new world order is very real, and i truly wish more americans would read into it. It's pretty easy to see what why the "powers that be" want these wars to go.

It's a very scary age to live in, and unless we come to our senses soon... it really will be too late. empires exactly like america have fallen before, and USA seems to be studying the textbook of fallen empires.

do your part and read into the NWO, and understand it :-)

[mrbronze013]

Claytrainor: The US tried isolationism in early 20th century and that failed horribly. The germans dragged us into world war by attacking our shipping and they even tried to get mexico to attack us. The same happened during WW2. That is the reason why the US have aggresive foreign policy today. We must protect our allies in Asia and Europe. If it wasnt for US troops, all of western europe would be annexed by the Soviets and that would have been very bad.

[Claytrainor]

LMFAO. I am not advocatiing isolationism bro. You need to go grab a dictionary immediately. All this military intervention is true isolationism

I am all for free trade and talking to these countries. All im saying is the military intervention in unneeded, and is only making the problem worse, yet you dance around those points and provide evidence on why we need to keep fighting a losing war that is only getting worse.

Logic bro... use logic.

[mrbronze013]

don't patronize me. military intervention is the direct opposite of isolationism. Woodrow Wilson practiced isolationism before German U-boats started attacking US shipping and the lUsitania,which drew the US into first world war.You are wrong in advocating for the withdrawal of US troops from afghanistan which would only cause al queda to return to train for attacks on muslim and western nations who do not adhere to their creed.

You keep dancing around that issue. I suggest that you use logic.

[Claytrainor]

So you seriously think, that by not attacking and / or meddling in internal affairs that are not your own = isolationism?

the military interventionists are the true isolationists. You guys put sanctions on countries, cut off free trade, and stop talkign to nations in which your at war with. That's isolationism bro... just because your bombing them doesnt mean your making progress.

Do you actually understand the difference between offensive and defensive jihad? seriously, just asking.

[mrbronze013]

That is the very definition of isolationism. Are you seriously trying to say that military intervention is isolationism. If so...LOL.

putting sanctions on countries and cutting off trade is opposite of isolationism.The act of putting sancitons on countries is almost as bad as an act of war, the same goes for cutting off free trade. I suggest that you pick up a dictionary.

LOL at offensive and defenisive jihad?When Al queda blows up schools and marketplaces in Iraq which jihad is that.

[Claytrainor]

that is defensive jihad

[Claytrainor]

ACtually bro, there is a MASSIVE difference in defensive jihad and offensive jihad.

Offensive requires a Caliph which Islam has not had since 1924, therefore the entire war on terror has been simply a result of defensive jihad. It is all documented bro. The reasons for these wars getting worse is documented

[Claytrainor]

Also, ww2 started because of the versaille treaty, and the americans jumped in when they got attacked by Japan. Lets not forget why Japan attacked america :-) do i actually need to tell you?

China is far more powerful than the us economically and pretty even militarily. They can defend asia just fine. US is not the world police, you cant afford it. You are following the same path so many empires have before.

America will fall soon... and it will be because of people who think like you :-)

[mrbronze013]

Japan attacked US because we stopped oil shipments. Japan needed oil to conquer china and rest of asia.

China is nowhere near the US both militarily or economically. Stop dreaming. China has no interest in stopping N.Korea from invading s.korea or nuking Japan. The US must protect our allies.

If America falls it will be because of far-left conspiracy nuts like yourself.

[Claytrainor]

far left? im a conservative libertarian bro. Im far more right than i am left.

You really need to re-read my points, i dont think u understood me very well. You really dont think china is near the US economically? is ignorance really bliss? :-). Where do you think the money for these wars is coming from? Pay attention to your countries investments bro.

I have lost 2 friends in afghanistan, know several 911 family members, know a few troops in iraq. They tend to agree with me. Wake up!

[mrbronze013]

You sound like a far-left conspiracy nut to me. I'm sorry if I offended your sensibilites

Check out Chinas GDP and the US's. Our economy is still the biggest in the world. While China's is the fastest growing, they haven't overtaken us just yet.

I fought in Fallujah with the Marines. I was there bro, and all of my friends agree with me. We all wanted to go to Afghanistan where the real war that had to be won was taking place.

[Claytrainor]

Alright fair enough bro... Respect to you.

the GDP is stronger int he US right now, but it's not gonna stay that way. Inflation is way too strong, and the debt is growing, and jobs are going overseas.

I am not even close to left, nor am i conspiracy nut, but i do believe 911 was not reported correctly in the commission report. I do not believe all the conspiracy claims, but to be honest... there are some that make a helluva lotta sense the more i read into these issues.

[mrbronze013]

Claytrainor: This has been a nice little debate. I do agree that the US overplays it's hands in foreign affairs sometimes, but in prinicple I believe that the war in Afghanistan is just. There is a reason why NATO, Pakistan, and a lot of muslim countries initially supported the US toppling of Taliban. If there was ever an istance where US force was needed, Afghanistan was just that. I disagree with US involvement in Iraq and I do not think that US should invade Iran because it only fuels jihad.

[Claytrainor]

mrbronze, i have enjoyed this debate :-)

I really agree with alot of what you said in your last statement. I do disagree with you on afghanistan, but i will think about your views. I hope you consider just looking into michael scheuers book, he really does have alot of good insight into the situation.

If you have any reading material for me, i'd be glad to check it out.

Peace man. good luck, and stay safe if you're sent back out to the mess ;)

[mrbronze013]

Claytrainor: peace man, I will definately read book and will get back to you with some feedback. Sorry I called you a far-left conspiracy nut bro...I just got caught up in the debate. Peace out.

[Claytrainor]

Just to reinstate this point.

Michael Scheuer was the former head of the CIA Bin Laden Unit (during 911) and voted for the Afghanistan war. Perhaps he is a link between my views and yours? I am not done this book yet, so perhaps he will justify the Afghanistan war.

Peace out bro.

[Claytrainor]

We've gone off on alot of discussion tonight, but i really only had 1 main point i wanted to advocate.

That is that the wars are doing nothing to solve the problem, including the on in afghanistan. Reading into Defensive Jihad explains exactly whey these problems keep getting worse.

May i recommend Michael Scheuer's "Imperial Hubris" (He is the former head of the Bin Laden unit, in the CIA and also voted for the Afghanistan war. ) I we'll both find alot we agree on in that book.

[mrbronze013]

Claytrainor: While the US is world's remaining superpower, it is not an empire. The US re-conqurered Western Europe and defeated Japan, and the only land we asked for was that to bury our dead.

I do agree that US should reduce it's presences in places where there is no longer a threat such as Germany and Japan, but I would keep troops in S.Korea because the war techinally isn't over.

I think WW2 have made the US paranoid to the point that we have all of these damn bases all over th world.

[Claytrainor]

i do believe america is following the same trends as any empire in history.  Although, i do not think america is the real culprit. I Blame the banks i.e. The Fed.

It truly is all about the unions, and giving the banks control. Just watch bro, u'll see an NAU, AU, and SAU form in our lifetimes. World government is approaching, and america is just the queen on the chessboard. The banks are the players :-)

[Claytrainor]

unfortunately mr bronze, america has dug itself into a very deep hole.

It will get attacked again, probably way worse than 911, no matter what now. All of you supporting the wars overseas are just as responsible as the terrorists. But now it's time to be realistic and start defending your borders and your dollar

All you need to do is understand what jihad is, and u will then understand why these wars are not working, and NEVER seem to get better.

Do not listen to your media for god sakes!

[hicabicapo2]

ohhhhh i get u guys are the change people okay so how many times is he gonna change his opinion and for the fact i have read up on the situation and i am in school and until he makes up his mind and stops his riot about change and dick i listen to my parents and make up my own mind

[hicabicapo2]

barak is a arab ass he can go to hell

[officialusa]

you need to get your dumb ass back to school

[starrchild851]

YOUR THE ASS.

[mbot565]

Proof of a child DEFINITELY LEFT BEHIND! Go back to school, study hard on your reading & spelling! What an embarrassment!

[upabittoolate]

son, stop listening to what your parents are telling you & use this internet to find some answers for yourself. the ignorance of your comment is shameful mainly because you should have been told some of these facts in school

[bigkyle07]

I dont support him for Pres.... but he isnt Arab.