wow, Amy Goodman is more of an idiot than I thought. she condemns Israel or following basic international protocol and praises bastards who attacked Israeli solders in an attempt to provoke an international response against Israel. the video tells a verry different storry my ass what the video proves is what the Israelis did was according to protocol and completely justified
@SolomanKane2k8 wow, you have such little brain power that you must rely on using disgusting, degrading words. this proves to me and anybody else who reads this how incredibly stupid people with your point of view are. Israel tried to subdue the bastards on the ships with less lethal matters such as paint-ball guns but instead they were stabbed beaten. then the isrealies reacted by international protocol . you're such a brainless antisemitic piece of shit that you can't realize that.
@SolomanKane2k8 Qoq you're such an antisemitic piece of shit that you can't realize that what Israel did was totally according to protocol you better hope that you never cross paths with me because if you do I'm going to take my U.S. military issue M4 shoot your fucking skull off!!! and please don't go off and blow up some helpless civilians as I'm sure your mother did but you might want to seriously contemplate suicide because people as retarded as you shouldn't exist.
@SolomanKane2k8 wow, you're a bigger asshole than I could have even imagined in modern English antisemitic means the "prejudice against or hostility towards Jews,"- Webster dictionary you can call your self what you want a "supporter" of the Palestinians which reminds me of the PLO, a terrorist organization. but the truth remains that people like you aren't fueled by their love for the Palestinians but rather their hate towards Jews. And I don't know if you knew this but Jews were there first.
@cellojoey Your beloved incestuous Nazi assholes can hijack the name all they want. At the end of the day Semitic is a language group, not a racial or ethnic group.
@SolomanKane2k8 again you aren't using the correct word the word nazi is a member of Hitlers political party and as I'm sure you know the Arab world supported fascist Germany probably because they were so caught up in their hatred toward Jews secondly I find it comical that you ignore what the international society has determined to be fact. finally you should hope that you don't live anywhere near Afghanistan because if you do I will get my squad to personally wipe the earth clean of you.
@cellojoey Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo. Hitler himself personally supported Zionism. During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.........
@cellojoey As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized “Kibbutz” training camps over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of “Israel”. (Source: jewsagainstzionismDOTcom)
@cellojoey "War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"
@cellojoey Watch John Pilger's "Palestine Is Still The Issue", "Breaking the Silence: Truth and Lies in the War on Terror", "Stealing a Nation" and "The War on Democracy". Read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States: 1492 to Present", Stephen Kinzer's "Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq", Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance" and Michel Chossudovsky's "War and Globalisation: The Truth Behind September 11".
@cellojoey "Go search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival." -Frederick Douglass - July 4, 1852
@cellojoey "One of the myths that has been perpetrated on the world is that only Jews are semites. This is totally inaccurate. Unfortunately, the ADL (the Anti-Defamation League) has made a fortune in donations and has conned most media networks and most people in the world into believing this untruth" `Sam Hamod, Ph.D.
wow, Amy Goodman is more of an idiot than I thought. she condemns Israel or following basic international protocol and praises bastards who attacked Israeli solders in an attempt to provoke an international response against Israel
@Arkinight You have no clue what a non sequitur is, evidently...and the arrogance of your second statement--with its implication that YOU objectively know what justice and multiculturalism are--is rank solipsism...
@cantilever Sorry, but justice does not equal lack of multiculturalism.
I do have a clue what it is; it's a comedic tool that is used to link two completely unrelated things, like how you somehow thought a belief in justice implied a lack of belief in multiculturalism. There is no justice for you and justice for me, it is universal. That is why there is the Universal Code of Human Rights, which every state signed on to. Same with the Nuremberg_Principles and so on.
@Arkinight Professing one unalterable, immutable, applies-to-everyone standard of "justice" DOES indicate an overweening solipsism--such as possessed by Ms. Goodman and yourself. (Who is she--and who are you--to say what "justice" is? And that YOUR definition is the one true definition?)
As far as the UCHR: are you naive enough to think that all those states that endorsed it live up to it? A Thai can criticize the monarchy? An Israeli can travel to Saudi Arabia? They have those rights? (No.)
@cantilever You're once again using words that you haven't the slightest clue as to their definition. Sorry, but Goodman never said "my own conception of justice is supreme" she said universal, and considering that every state has signed onto these international agreements, they happen to agree with this conception even if you don't. Whether or not they live up to them is another non sequitur; just like the Nuremberg Principles are not diminished because states violate them regularly.
@Arkinight Again: argumentum ad populum (look it up) fallacy...Think about that statement as it would relate to the one group that has a different conception of what "justice" entails from "the majority"...
And if signatory states DO agree with the standard, why would they not hew to it? That's not a non sequitur on my part--it's casuistry on yours to claim it doesn't matter.
@cantilever Yeah, fine then please illustrate why the world community's attempt at universal justice is flawed. The burden of proof is on you, simply reiterating platitudes does not prove your point.
Why don't they hew to it? And you call me naive? States are institutions of power that operate on pure self-interest, the only thing that restricts them is outside forces and their own population. There is a reason why what happens domestically in those countries you listed cannot in the U.S.
@Arkinight Now who's trafficking in non sequiturs? (Ans: You.) You wrote "world community's attempt at [Amy Goodman's definition of] universal justice" and then "states operate on pure self-interest" a few sentences later. Yikes.
I call you not only naive but suffering from grand mal cognitive dissonance...
(The only thing I intended to illustrate was the contradiction between multiculturalism and professing a single, solitary, "universal" standard of justice...)
@cantilever Once again you have no clue what this word means, you're really diminishing any credibility you had.
I cannot help the fact that you're so naive as to equate the "world community" with the state institutions.
Well if that was your intent you failed to provide a single credible shred of evidence to show this and continue to fail on this account. Please show us evidence of this great contradiction.
@Arkinight You're filibustering now. And thanks for allowing that I had at least SOME credibility to begin with. (That's not arrogant at ALL.)
Naive....? Ay yi yi...here it is: Tu quoque...
My intent was to point out Amy Goodman's irreconcilable position vis-a-vis justice and multiculturalism. I'm not surprised you can't see it...it's hard to let go of a hobbyhorse...
@cantilever "My intent was to point out Amy Goodman's irreconcilable position vis-a-vis justice and multiculturalism. I'm not surprised you can't see it...it's hard to let go of a hobbyhorse... "
Yeah, I can't see it because A. you're wrong, B. if you are correct, show us why and prove me wrong.
@Arkinight No, you can't see it because you're being willfully obtuse. Answer me this: Is what you conceive to be "justice" applicable to all seven billion human beings on this planet? And, if so, why? Do you think that everyone would share your conception of "justice"?
"Your first paragraph: one big steamin' bowl of non sequitur. *Hawkeye Pierce whistle*"
"You're emotionally vested for some reason in defending Amy Goodman--and you're entitled to do so. But it hurts your ability to make salient points, I must say"
What exactly have these veiled insults and lies have to do with the current debate at all? You told me you wanted a civil debate yet you continue to put words (and thoughts and intentions) in my mouth?
@cantilever The global system of justice we have is ratified by every state in the UN, regardless of whether they live up to it in actions; they do so in words for obvious reasons. Otherwise they may as well come out and say "we're all a bunch of Nazis and we're going to do whatever we like - doesn't matter what anybody thinks. It also happens to be applied universally across the board, whether those laws are unjust is your burden to prove, until you do so, you clearly won't be taken seriously.
@Arkinight Of course if they ratified it, they BELIEVE in it, right? What does it matter to the man sitting in prison for criticizing the King of Morocco if his country ratified it? Or how about the 22 million North Koreans? North Korea is in the UN--surely the UCHR applies to the populace...
@Arkinight If we had universal standards of justice, states WOULDN'T abuse human rights! Think! The Thai believe in lese-majeste--no matter what the UCHR says. The Saudis believe that religious freedom does not apply to them--no matter what the UCHR says. THAT is multiculturalism--the UCHR is a colonial anachronism foisted upon the rest of the world.
@cantilever Who are these amorphous groups that all share the same values? Those acting within the state to oppress their own people share the same values as the people that are being oppressed? The women in Saudi Arabia all share the same values as the men that are oppressing them?
@Arkinight Are you a judge..? Why don't you provide some evidence that a person can claim to know what "justice" is for everyone...? Should be easy for you...
@cantilever If these amorphous "countries" have different concepts of justice, why sign onto treaties that are completely contradictory to this? Why not just come right out and state it? Could you answer at least a single question or provide evidence instead of platitudes?
@Arkinight Why don't you ask them...? (And they're not "amorphous"--you should re-check that word's definition if you plan to deploy it.)
Why should I answer one of your questions when you won't answer mine: specifically, what makes you or Amy Goodman the arbiter of "justice" for everyone...?
@cantilever I agree, they aren't, that is why we should make a distinction of who supports what and why.
I answered your questions to the best of my ability. Furthermore, Amy Goodman never said she was the arbiter of justice, sorry that's just a blatant fabrication.
@Arkinight To the "best of your ability"? What a cop-out...
So the person who professes to know what the "universal" standard of justice is for everyone is not an arbiter...? You're smarter than that--send the ego to the bench, don't view this as defending Amy Goodman's honor, and use your frickin' intelligence...
@cantilever Yup, I'm copping out of feeding a troll like you. I guess you have actually won this debate because you kept me responding to you despite not having any serious points.
@cantilever No, sorry, different standards of justice have absolutely nothing to do with multiculturalism despite what you have been told in your philosophy class. What is just for one individual is just for another given the same circumstances.
@Arkinight I wasn't told anything in any philosophy class. That's your arrogance and hubris causing you to stumble again--and your continued inability to recognize how subjective your value judgments are is rank solipsism...
(Maybe you should enroll in a few philosophy classes...might learn something, who knows?)
@cantilever Yeah, I'm so arrogant that you tell me what I do, how I behave and what I should enroll in. Right, I'm the one that's arrogant here. I'm sure Orwell would appreciate this reality of yours.
To this point you still cannot provide a shred of evidence, only invented character and personal attacks completely invented by you and pushed to their limits.
@Arkinight Who appointed you judge, jury, and, I daresay, executioner...? Grow up. And what do you want evidence for again...? The contradiction inherent in Amy Goodman's postulate of "one" standard of justice vis-a-vis multiculturalism...? Watch the video...
@cantilever Would you like to provide some evidence for your claim and elaborate on why what you say is so obvious us simpletons could even understand it?
@cantilever Yeah, you're right, asking for evidence to back up a claim as ridiculous as yours is like asking a flat-Earther for evidence. My apologies, I didn't realize you were a troll and haven't the slightest clue how scholars and serious individuals have debates and discussions.
Yeah, judge jury and dare you say. Grow up? Because I asked for evidence to support your claim? I'm the one that needs to grow up? You seriously believe I will simply take you at your word when you spout that shit?
@Arkinight Profanity is uncalled for, and, quite frankly, disappointing to see from a Canadian...
I'm trying--MAN am I trying--to help you see how your solipsism is causing you to behave foolishly. I think your ego is in the driver's seat, and that isn't helpful or constructive. Back to the original point: Amy Goodman posits ONE standard of justice...and that is NOT compatible with multiculturalism. You disagree? Make your case sans bluff and bullying...
@cantilever Why would all the states of the UN ratify the various treaties if they did not agree with them? Why not just come right out and say that "we have different standards of justice than you". They willingly supported these treaties publicly, that is why they don't like anybody to shed any light on what they do to oppress and violate people's rights under these treaties privately.
If what you say is true, very few states would have ratified and signed onto these treaties.
@Arkinight Holy God, your naivete is staggering. When the UCHR was ratified, was there an equal basis for power 'twixt the signatories? Is the UN with its "permanent" members of the security council truly equal...?
I'll keep repeating it: many countries are in stark violation of the UCHR. The UCHR is a fantasy--as is the effectiveness of the UN. But this is, of course, tangential to my initial point about Amy Goodman's stated views on the singularity of the concept of "justice"...
@cantilever Yeah, throw in that insult for good measure, just to demonstrate how much you believe your own rhetoric about a civil discussion - really drives the point home.
And the fact that countries violate it proves that they have different concepts of justice? Sorry, oppressing individuals is not justice, it's a lack of justice. Entire countries are in stark violation? Or the leadership is? Could you make a distinction here?
Because something is violated does not invalidate it.
@cantilever Not answering my questions is I think the lesser of the evils here, you are no longer even responding to my points, just simply insulting me and attacking strawmen.
Sorry, I really thought you were serious about your accusation and not just a vulgar propagandist.
@Arkinight Are you conceding...? I have repeatedly stressed that Amy Goodman's explicitly stated conception of one universal standard of justice does not jibe with multiculturalism. You introduced a lot of non-germane subjects and subjective value judgments couched as lapidary truths, and I responded to them as well. But you NEVER answered why you feel what she and you think is justice applies to EVERYONE...
@cantilever I have repeatedly stressed that Amy Goodman's explicitly stated conception of one universal standard of justice does not jibe with multiculturalism.
I couldn't agree more with that statement, you have explicitly repeated this. Unfortunately you have refused to say why this is the case.
Yeah, you win the debate the same way Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity win debates on their shows, you've just used far more gobility gooks for issues that are very straightforward. You win.
@Arkinight Whoa, there, doggy! Where the hell did Hannity and O'Reilly come in? (Also: it's spelled "gobbledy-gook.")
I have hope for you, as I said. You're very smart, but you're hidebound with ideology. (I was that way once myself.) Some folks never change, of course, but the more you expose yourself to different cultures and points of view, the more of an appreciation you'll have for the nature of subjectivity...but the onus is on you to get out there!
@cantilever Yeah, I'm obtuse, I'm filibustering, I'm naive, I'm arrogant. You're right; I'm wrong. Providing evidence is irrelevant because you're correct by default.
So I'm supposed to answer your question when you refuse to answer any of mine; evade calls for evidence for your absurd claims about Goodman and continue to insult me and put words in my mouth?
I told you, I nor Goodman want to foist "our" conception of justice on anybody.
@cantilever Sure, and you have a burden of proof to bear. Yeah, I'm very arrogant when I essentially repeat the same statements you made with the names changed, but you're very modest when you assume absurdly idiotic things like that Goodman doesn't believe in multiculturalism. I mean that is unabashedly and apologetically modest of you to strawman her like this. Take a look in the mirror before calling others arrogant.
@Arkinight I'll ask again, in the spirit of optimism: Who is she--and who are you--to claim to know what "justice" is for everyone? Don't take this personally. Just debate with civility and good faith (and continued irony--it's a good sign). If Ms. Goodman believes in multiculturalism, it's a contradiction for her to impose ONE standard of UNIVERSAL justice on the world. Can you not see that...? It's right in front of your nose...
@cantilever I have told you many times, that however flawed the international system is, it is still something that we the populations of those states should try to have our states live up to. Sorry, but the burden of proof is not on her, nor is she trying "to impose ONE standard of UNIVERSAL justice".The burden is on you to show why some people should be held to higher standards than others, and please be specific who is held to what standard of justice.
@Arkinight You haven't told me many times that, no matter how flawed, states should try to live up to the "international system." Re-read your comments.
Why are you parroting "burden of proof" all of a sudden? This isn't a courtroom. In any event, she explicitly stated that a "universal" standard of justice existed. Can she prove that? I doubt it. I also doubt her--and your--subjective value judgment as to what "justice" is is shared universally...
@cantilever However, flawed the global system of justice is, it is accepted by the world community and states (to the extent that their populations force them to) - usually only in rhetoric by the more powerful ones. We do not eliminate the law because some people choose to break it; conversely we do not eliminate global justice because states commit war crimes.
Why am I parroting "burden of proof"? Because you have explicitly stated how your intention was to show the contradiction.
@Arkinight Your first paragraph: one big steamin' bowl of non sequitur. *Hawkeye Pierce whistle*
I have shown the contradiction between holding to a "universal" standard of "justice" and multiculturalism--it's axiomatic! You're emotionally vested for some reason in defending Amy Goodman--and you're entitled to do so. But it hurts your ability to make salient points, I must say...
@cantilever Yeah, vague philosophical platitudes are nice for your graduate philosophy seminar but in the real world you generally provide evidence for outrageous accusations and strawman arguments. Otherwise you're just a vulgar propagandist.
@Arkinight What was my "outrageous accusation"...? That Amy Goodman could not be a proponent of multiculturalism if she insisted that one standard of (the unavoidably metaphysical concept of) justice applied to everyone...?
@cantilever No, sorry, it's not self-evident because you say so. You need evidence, unless you are so delusional to think everything that you utter is a truism.
@cantilever Yeah, these little pseudo-intellectual rants are cute but they have no bearing on the current discussion and serve no purpose. Could you explain what standard human rights abusers should be held to, if not to the Universal Charter of Human Rights, the Geneva Conventions, the Nuremberg Principles and others?
@Arkinight Who's holding them to any "agreed-upon" standards? The UN? Vide Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Gaza, etc.
Is the UN mandating that Saudi Arabia allow women to drive or non-Muslim houses of worship be permitted in Riyadh? I'll give you three guesses...
Again, your parochialism is oppressive: What you or I consider a "human rights abuse" is NOT necessarily what OTHER cultures would consider as such--and who is going to set that "universal" standard that you and Ms. Goodman allude to?
@cantilever The world community is not right because it has sheer numbers on its side, nor is it wrong. If you see it as being inherently flawed then please enlighten us. Simply stating that it's bad because people violate it is idiotic. Just like it would be idiotic to remove police enforcement because some police are corrupt, or remove judicial systems because some courts hand down unfair sentences. This is a complete non seqtuitur
@Arkinight I'm glad you've disavowed the appeal to the majority fallacy, but I wish you'd stop ventriloquizing. I haven't said that the UCHR is bad--but I have intimated it's ineffective (which it is). Just a nice thought that doesn't really apply. (Ask a Saudi woman if you don't believe me.)
(Please give up the shrill and repeated "non sequitur" nonsense--I'm telling you this as a friend. You've earned yourself a tu quoque many times over...)
@cantilever Can you please provide some evidence for your claim that Goodman does not believe in multiculturalism - when we both know, without even consulting her that does she - because she believes in universal justice?
Yeah well that's nice, now that you have realized how you cannot provide any evidence you begin to evade the issue altogether and focus on ineffectiveness and other idiotic nonsense.
@Arkinight You still think we're in a courtroom...? Is that your ploy to weasel out of the debate? As a Canadian, have the integrity to answer me why your subjective, parochial conception of justice somehow applies to the seven billion other human beings on earth...and why that isn't a SUPREMELY arrogant conceit.
@cantilever If you can't even live up to a simple request for evidence for your earlier statement, then why should anybody take you seriously? Because you're trustworthy?
The world community is not correct with the current system, nor is it incorrect and there are definite flaws, however if you believe there is a better system please enlighten us. That is a tenant of multiculturalism. If you believe a cultural practice is immoral or unjust you should provide some evidence to prove this point.
@Arkinight You're filibustering with ad hominems. Pity.
Here's an idea: Why don't YOU provide some evidence that Amy Goodman's/your standard of justice is shared wholeheartedly by the rest of the planet's populace? Can you do that...?
@cantilever Sorry, the burden of proof is not on me to prove why the current system (however flawed) is right, the burden is on you to show why different people should be held to different standards of justice. Please show us why.
The same standards should apply if we value ourselves as moral human beings. That is the minimum moral standard - that we apply to ourselves what we apply to others, if you can't live up to this you're just not operating in the moral universe.
@Arkinight It's called multiculturalism. I have my standard of what constitutes justice and I would NEVER try to impose it on other cultures. (That would be arrogant!) People have different conceptions of justice. You know how I know this? I've been to thirty-five countries.
You're floundering in a sea of your own value judgments, unable to acknowledge that other people have different views based on their own cultural upbringing--and your views are no more "valid" than theirs...
@cantilever Yeah, unfortunately you refuse to enlighten us with your far superior version of justice. Nothing has been imposed on anybody these states ratified the treaties because not doing so would be to blatantly state "we are going to abuse human rights, and we don't care what anybody thinks".
I repeat, nothing has been imposed on these people, their states have ratified it to different degrees based on how much influence they have on the state.
@Arkinight You're better with irony than sarcasm. Just a heads-up. If you want to assert the paramountcy of the UCHR, you are entitled to do that. It has no basis in reality, however...which may be what attracts you to it...
But at least you are beginning to realize that there ARE different "versions" of justice. That is definite progress...
@cantilever Only in your head. You've gone from your original idiotic and arrogant point about claiming to know what Amy Goodman thinks or does not think to critiquing my writing style. I think that's negative progress for you.
You and I both know she does believe in multiculturalism, so your entire argument is moot and you can't even provide the narrowest piece of evidence to support your claims. But of course providing evidence is anathema when you're correct by definition.
@cantilever I think you're equating multiculturalism (key word here is culture) with multi-justice-ism - a fantasy that exists only in your head and those who want to justify crimes and atrocities because they are held to different standards. Yeah, anybody that knows history has heard this line before - "we represent the course of history so if we use violence it must be for the general good, anybody that disputes us is wrong, period."
@cantilever Wow, you are very skilled at evading questions and totally sidetracking a debate, once again, I want to be enlightened by you unfortunately you refuse to answer this question:
If these amorphous "countries" have different concepts of justice, why sign onto treaties that are completely contradictory to this?
@cantilever Really? That's what the implication was? Could you tell me what else you found in my response that I did not write but you believe *I meant*?
Of course I was arrogant in "implying" this, but you were "modest" in implying it for Amy, correct? Now it's not so hard to believe that you haven't a clue about justice and how it is and must be applied universally. I realize you don't agree with this, but every state that signed onto the UN Charter does agree, as does most of the world.
@Arkinight Yes, that is the exact implication. Also from your response--based on your adducing the UCHR for one--I can glean extreme idealism and naivete. Arrogance is not pointing out a contradiction--it's claiming to know what should apply to everyone. Ms. Goodman is guilty of the latter. I'm guilty of the former.
I invite you to re-read the UCHR and think of all the states that make a mockery of its high-minded provisions. (You won't have to get past the first one...)
@Arkinight And I should also point out to you--in the spirit of bonhomie and without the barest trace of arrogance--that your last sentence exhibits the logical fallacy argumentum ad populum....
@cantilever You have to be the most hideously uneducated asshole on YouTube. I think that your incestuous mothers pungent vaginal odor has affected your brain.
thumbs up if u would like 2 see RT do a report on what actually happened with the bp oil spill, N. Korea Attacked the U.S. Which is y the government has deployed teams of soldiers and special ops at oil rigs the put a media blackout, google it RT Do a Report on The Truth investigate this plz, a explosion come on
Welcome to the fascist states of america ... it's up to "we the people" to make the changes needed ... it is "we the people" fault for allow the government to become so corrupt. Time to wake up and smell the coffee ...
@bry10101 obama is nothing but a puppet ... a figure head ... we need to get the "men behind the curtain" and bring them before a real court of law. The reason they continue to commit more and more war crimes is because "we the people" have not held them accountable for their actions. "we the people" have allowed the elite to turn the us into a fascist country, in plain sight for all to see. If we don't do anything about this nothing will get done.
@bry10101 I don't watch fauxnews ... and certainly not glenn beck ... I prefer to get the real news from several different sources, from real journalists. It's not just one person the people have to stand up to ... it's a group ... called the bilderberg group, one of many elite groups that are really calling the shots ... the men behind the curtain are the ones we have to focus on. They are the real terrorists.
@bry10101 I've seen him in action ... fauxnews seem to be mixing the truth with lies ... to confuse the people? ... maybe ... but there are plenty of real journalists on line that will give me the real scoop ... I get reliable information from the bloggers ... so I don't need beck ... and wouldn't use fauxnews for a night light ...
@bry10101 you must be living in your moms attic while watching beck and fauxnews ... and those so called "liberal bloggers" have been right on with everything they post. Can't say the same thing for fauxnews. If you can't handle the fact that people don't like fauxnews or beck you need to go back up into your mom's attic and keep pretending you know where it's at.
@spirittoo dude fox news has been right about everything ok liberal bloggers thought bush was the anti-Christ and is he??NO! your just an ignorant freedom hating communist who wants it the pants of Putin
@bry10101 absolute proof that fauxnews viewers are stupid ... were they right about Hussein having WMD? NO ... where they right about about the wars? NO where they right about the economy ... NO ... they lied and continue to do so ... its pretty obvious you are fucked in the head. Go back upstairs to the attic and keep watching fauxnews ... it suits you.
@bry10101 you pulled that one right out of your ass ... obama is a puppet ... but none the less has participated in war crimes ... I don't bow to war criminals ... go back to your mother's attic and keep pretending you know what you are talking about. You need to shut up about fauxnews ,beck and accept that people have different avenues to get the real news.
I like everything She said except that we owe to secure Israel. Israel is responsible to create a bad situation for itself and must stop terrorism and help its neighbors to prosperity, education and peaceful way of lives. Israel has no chance to survive unless change its way of being.
I liked everything she said up to the end, where she stated that I had to pay for everyones healthcare. We are not Sweden. Sweden is great, I like Sweden, but Sweden is not the USA.
@QuantumSpook So you do not want to pay into socialized medicine but you have no problem paying for the apartheid state of Israel and the military industrial complex?
@gringodeltoro1 yes US is going down and will not stop unless we take care of our people first we have no business helping, and teaching others what we can not do and provide for ourselves.
This bitch is nothing but a lying piece of shit Jew. Fuck you I am pretty safe without your world court bitch. If Iran had any brains they would nuke Israel the minute they developed the bomb. They will become the heroes of the world no matter what the Jewish controlled media called them. Sorry but everyone I know blames the Jews just like I do and guess what I didnt hate Jews until last year. Hitler is on the way Jews.
Although Any Goodman discredited herself by acting like a shill in relation to 9/11 Truth, she has proven her integrity on many other fronts. RT is going viral, and it's because of journalism like this. Good work.
the elite that perpetuate the problems are affraid of war on their doorstep. americans have no choice but to take up arms against their leaders. there will be a line of riot cops, but those police have families and have to pick a side.. either they side with the elite that is putting them in danger, selling out their childrens futures, and will have them die at the hands of those who fight for them.. or they can side with the protesters and help their own futures.
Christian Men In Turkey Are Tortured And Killed By Muslims, so I don't want to hear any of your sad song propoganda, Israel has never done anything that would compare to the evil of islam
@mousey1952 Jews have been known for killing many people throughout the world. They kill innocent women and children every day in Gaza. I cant wait until Iran nukes the shit out the piece of shit state of Israel and kills every Jew in it. Then the masses around the world will gather up the rest of them and burn them alive. Then and only then will there be peace on earth. Israel is the reasons Muslims hate Christianity. You are either a Jew or a Retard either way you are useless to society.
@sniper71267 You can't answer any of my questions because you are a hypocrite,
Jew this and Jew that, muslims hate Christians because islam is a relligion of satan's and satan hates Christ. Has nothing to do with Jews, and everything to do with islam, the religion of the devil
@sniper71267 Iran will never nuke Israel ,its against Islam to use weapons of mass destruction.Iran already proved it in Iraq ,even though SADDAM used chemical weapons, Iran refrained from using WMD.So PLZ don't push negative propaganda against Iran to serve your own evil cause.
wow, Amy Goodman is more of an idiot than I thought. she condemns Israel or following basic international protocol and praises bastards who attacked Israeli solders in an attempt to provoke an international response against Israel. the video tells a verry different storry my ass what the video proves is what the Israelis did was according to protocol and completely justified
cellojoey 1 year ago
@cellojoey Fuck the welfare state of Israel, fuck your incestuous mothers putrid vaginal odor and fuck you.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@SolomanKane2k8 wow, you have such little brain power that you must rely on using disgusting, degrading words. this proves to me and anybody else who reads this how incredibly stupid people with your point of view are. Israel tried to subdue the bastards on the ships with less lethal matters such as paint-ball guns but instead they were stabbed beaten. then the isrealies reacted by international protocol . you're such a brainless antisemitic piece of shit that you can't realize that.
cellojoey 1 year ago
@SolomanKane2k8 Qoq you're such an antisemitic piece of shit that you can't realize that what Israel did was totally according to protocol you better hope that you never cross paths with me because if you do I'm going to take my U.S. military issue M4 shoot your fucking skull off!!! and please don't go off and blow up some helpless civilians as I'm sure your mother did but you might want to seriously contemplate suicide because people as retarded as you shouldn't exist.
cellojoey 1 year ago
@cellojoey I ain't antisemitic because I support the Palestinian people who are real Semites unlike your settler frauds from Europe.
"Semitic is a Language Group, Not a Racial or Ethnic Group" ~Sam Hamod, Ph.D.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@SolomanKane2k8 wow, you're a bigger asshole than I could have even imagined in modern English antisemitic means the "prejudice against or hostility towards Jews,"- Webster dictionary you can call your self what you want a "supporter" of the Palestinians which reminds me of the PLO, a terrorist organization. but the truth remains that people like you aren't fueled by their love for the Palestinians but rather their hate towards Jews. And I don't know if you knew this but Jews were there first.
cellojoey 1 year ago
@cellojoey Your beloved incestuous Nazi assholes can hijack the name all they want. At the end of the day Semitic is a language group, not a racial or ethnic group.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@SolomanKane2k8 again you aren't using the correct word the word nazi is a member of Hitlers political party and as I'm sure you know the Arab world supported fascist Germany probably because they were so caught up in their hatred toward Jews secondly I find it comical that you ignore what the international society has determined to be fact. finally you should hope that you don't live anywhere near Afghanistan because if you do I will get my squad to personally wipe the earth clean of you.
cellojoey 1 year ago
@cellojoey Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo. Hitler himself personally supported Zionism. During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.........
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cellojoey As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized “Kibbutz” training camps over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of “Israel”. (Source: jewsagainstzionismDOTcom)
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cellojoey The Arabs nevere never and never supported Nazi Germany.
How could they when Hitler was anti none Arian race?And Arab countries were one of the ports of entry to take over Africa via Italy under Mussolini.
Don,t forget the Arabs from Algeria fought to free northern France from the nazis.
Now today any Arab who would support Germany would be foolish not to realize the risk he would encounter
in East Germany, to be beaten to death by skinheads.
laryea2011 11 months ago
@cellojoey The United States is a Leading Terrorist State
-Professor Noam Chomsky
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cellojoey "The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault"
~Major Ralph Peters, US Military
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cellojoey "War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"
~General Smedley Butler
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged." -Noam Chomsky
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cellojoey Watch John Pilger's "Palestine Is Still The Issue", "Breaking the Silence: Truth and Lies in the War on Terror", "Stealing a Nation" and "The War on Democracy". Read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States: 1492 to Present", Stephen Kinzer's "Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq", Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance" and Michel Chossudovsky's "War and Globalisation: The Truth Behind September 11".
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cellojoey "Go search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival." -Frederick Douglass - July 4, 1852
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cellojoey "One of the myths that has been perpetrated on the world is that only Jews are semites. This is totally inaccurate. Unfortunately, the ADL (the Anti-Defamation League) has made a fortune in donations and has conned most media networks and most people in the world into believing this untruth" `Sam Hamod, Ph.D.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cellojoey You are a traitor to the US because you put Israel before America.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
wow, Amy Goodman is more of an idiot than I thought. she condemns Israel or following basic international protocol and praises bastards who attacked Israeli solders in an attempt to provoke an international response against Israel
cellojoey 1 year ago
@cellojoey Fuck the welfare state of Israel, fuck your incestuous mothers putrid vaginal odor and fuck you.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
A "universal" and "uniform" standard of justice...?
Sounds like Ms. Goodman is not a proponent of multiculturalism...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Sorry, that's a non sequitur. You have no clue what justice or multiculturalism truly are.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight You have no clue what a non sequitur is, evidently...and the arrogance of your second statement--with its implication that YOU objectively know what justice and multiculturalism are--is rank solipsism...
Sorry...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Sorry, but justice does not equal lack of multiculturalism.
I do have a clue what it is; it's a comedic tool that is used to link two completely unrelated things, like how you somehow thought a belief in justice implied a lack of belief in multiculturalism. There is no justice for you and justice for me, it is universal. That is why there is the Universal Code of Human Rights, which every state signed on to. Same with the Nuremberg_Principles and so on.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Professing one unalterable, immutable, applies-to-everyone standard of "justice" DOES indicate an overweening solipsism--such as possessed by Ms. Goodman and yourself. (Who is she--and who are you--to say what "justice" is? And that YOUR definition is the one true definition?)
As far as the UCHR: are you naive enough to think that all those states that endorsed it live up to it? A Thai can criticize the monarchy? An Israeli can travel to Saudi Arabia? They have those rights? (No.)
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever You're once again using words that you haven't the slightest clue as to their definition. Sorry, but Goodman never said "my own conception of justice is supreme" she said universal, and considering that every state has signed onto these international agreements, they happen to agree with this conception even if you don't. Whether or not they live up to them is another non sequitur; just like the Nuremberg Principles are not diminished because states violate them regularly.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Again: argumentum ad populum (look it up) fallacy...Think about that statement as it would relate to the one group that has a different conception of what "justice" entails from "the majority"...
And if signatory states DO agree with the standard, why would they not hew to it? That's not a non sequitur on my part--it's casuistry on yours to claim it doesn't matter.
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Yeah, fine then please illustrate why the world community's attempt at universal justice is flawed. The burden of proof is on you, simply reiterating platitudes does not prove your point.
Why don't they hew to it? And you call me naive? States are institutions of power that operate on pure self-interest, the only thing that restricts them is outside forces and their own population. There is a reason why what happens domestically in those countries you listed cannot in the U.S.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Now who's trafficking in non sequiturs? (Ans: You.) You wrote "world community's attempt at [Amy Goodman's definition of] universal justice" and then "states operate on pure self-interest" a few sentences later. Yikes.
I call you not only naive but suffering from grand mal cognitive dissonance...
(The only thing I intended to illustrate was the contradiction between multiculturalism and professing a single, solitary, "universal" standard of justice...)
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Once again you have no clue what this word means, you're really diminishing any credibility you had.
I cannot help the fact that you're so naive as to equate the "world community" with the state institutions.
Well if that was your intent you failed to provide a single credible shred of evidence to show this and continue to fail on this account. Please show us evidence of this great contradiction.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight You're filibustering now. And thanks for allowing that I had at least SOME credibility to begin with. (That's not arrogant at ALL.)
Naive....? Ay yi yi...here it is: Tu quoque...
My intent was to point out Amy Goodman's irreconcilable position vis-a-vis justice and multiculturalism. I'm not surprised you can't see it...it's hard to let go of a hobbyhorse...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever "My intent was to point out Amy Goodman's irreconcilable position vis-a-vis justice and multiculturalism. I'm not surprised you can't see it...it's hard to let go of a hobbyhorse... "
Yeah, I can't see it because A. you're wrong, B. if you are correct, show us why and prove me wrong.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight No, you can't see it because you're being willfully obtuse. Answer me this: Is what you conceive to be "justice" applicable to all seven billion human beings on this planet? And, if so, why? Do you think that everyone would share your conception of "justice"?
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever
"Your first paragraph: one big steamin' bowl of non sequitur. *Hawkeye Pierce whistle*"
"You're emotionally vested for some reason in defending Amy Goodman--and you're entitled to do so. But it hurts your ability to make salient points, I must say"
What exactly have these veiled insults and lies have to do with the current debate at all? You told me you wanted a civil debate yet you continue to put words (and thoughts and intentions) in my mouth?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Those aren't insults--they're constructive criticism...
(In the hopes of a better debate...)
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever The global system of justice we have is ratified by every state in the UN, regardless of whether they live up to it in actions; they do so in words for obvious reasons. Otherwise they may as well come out and say "we're all a bunch of Nazis and we're going to do whatever we like - doesn't matter what anybody thinks. It also happens to be applied universally across the board, whether those laws are unjust is your burden to prove, until you do so, you clearly won't be taken seriously.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Of course if they ratified it, they BELIEVE in it, right? What does it matter to the man sitting in prison for criticizing the King of Morocco if his country ratified it? Or how about the 22 million North Koreans? North Korea is in the UN--surely the UCHR applies to the populace...
You. Are. Hopelessly. Naive.
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever So because states abuse human rights we shouldn't have universal standards of justice? That's your argument?
So can you please explain what standards human rights abusers should be held to if not to the current structure?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight If we had universal standards of justice, states WOULDN'T abuse human rights! Think! The Thai believe in lese-majeste--no matter what the UCHR says. The Saudis believe that religious freedom does not apply to them--no matter what the UCHR says. THAT is multiculturalism--the UCHR is a colonial anachronism foisted upon the rest of the world.
Do you SEE now...?
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Who are these amorphous groups that all share the same values? Those acting within the state to oppress their own people share the same values as the people that are being oppressed? The women in Saudi Arabia all share the same values as the men that are oppressing them?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Don't cavil--it's unbecoming...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Don't tell me - or others what we should or should not do.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Tu quoque...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Could you provide some proof or evidence to support your initial statements and accusations, please?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Are you a judge..? Why don't you provide some evidence that a person can claim to know what "justice" is for everyone...? Should be easy for you...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever If these amorphous "countries" have different concepts of justice, why sign onto treaties that are completely contradictory to this? Why not just come right out and state it? Could you answer at least a single question or provide evidence instead of platitudes?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Why don't you ask them...? (And they're not "amorphous"--you should re-check that word's definition if you plan to deploy it.)
Why should I answer one of your questions when you won't answer mine: specifically, what makes you or Amy Goodman the arbiter of "justice" for everyone...?
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever I agree, they aren't, that is why we should make a distinction of who supports what and why.
I answered your questions to the best of my ability. Furthermore, Amy Goodman never said she was the arbiter of justice, sorry that's just a blatant fabrication.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight To the "best of your ability"? What a cop-out...
So the person who professes to know what the "universal" standard of justice is for everyone is not an arbiter...? You're smarter than that--send the ego to the bench, don't view this as defending Amy Goodman's honor, and use your frickin' intelligence...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Yup, I'm copping out of feeding a troll like you. I guess you have actually won this debate because you kept me responding to you despite not having any serious points.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Calling me a "troll" is a cop-out--and, no doubt, a salve for your wounded ego...
I expected better...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever No, sorry, different standards of justice have absolutely nothing to do with multiculturalism despite what you have been told in your philosophy class. What is just for one individual is just for another given the same circumstances.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight I wasn't told anything in any philosophy class. That's your arrogance and hubris causing you to stumble again--and your continued inability to recognize how subjective your value judgments are is rank solipsism...
(Maybe you should enroll in a few philosophy classes...might learn something, who knows?)
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Yeah, I'm so arrogant that you tell me what I do, how I behave and what I should enroll in. Right, I'm the one that's arrogant here. I'm sure Orwell would appreciate this reality of yours.
To this point you still cannot provide a shred of evidence, only invented character and personal attacks completely invented by you and pushed to their limits.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Who appointed you judge, jury, and, I daresay, executioner...? Grow up. And what do you want evidence for again...? The contradiction inherent in Amy Goodman's postulate of "one" standard of justice vis-a-vis multiculturalism...? Watch the video...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Would you like to provide some evidence for your claim and elaborate on why what you say is so obvious us simpletons could even understand it?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Watch the video...and cogitate in good faith...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Yeah, you're right, asking for evidence to back up a claim as ridiculous as yours is like asking a flat-Earther for evidence. My apologies, I didn't realize you were a troll and haven't the slightest clue how scholars and serious individuals have debates and discussions.
Yeah, judge jury and dare you say. Grow up? Because I asked for evidence to support your claim? I'm the one that needs to grow up? You seriously believe I will simply take you at your word when you spout that shit?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Profanity is uncalled for, and, quite frankly, disappointing to see from a Canadian...
I'm trying--MAN am I trying--to help you see how your solipsism is causing you to behave foolishly. I think your ego is in the driver's seat, and that isn't helpful or constructive. Back to the original point: Amy Goodman posits ONE standard of justice...and that is NOT compatible with multiculturalism. You disagree? Make your case sans bluff and bullying...
cantilever 1 year ago
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@cantilever If these amorphous "countries" have different concepts of justice, why sign onto treaties that are completely contradictory to this?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Why'd you flag your own comment as spam...? Just remove it...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Why would all the states of the UN ratify the various treaties if they did not agree with them? Why not just come right out and say that "we have different standards of justice than you". They willingly supported these treaties publicly, that is why they don't like anybody to shed any light on what they do to oppress and violate people's rights under these treaties privately.
If what you say is true, very few states would have ratified and signed onto these treaties.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Holy God, your naivete is staggering. When the UCHR was ratified, was there an equal basis for power 'twixt the signatories? Is the UN with its "permanent" members of the security council truly equal...?
I'll keep repeating it: many countries are in stark violation of the UCHR. The UCHR is a fantasy--as is the effectiveness of the UN. But this is, of course, tangential to my initial point about Amy Goodman's stated views on the singularity of the concept of "justice"...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Yeah, throw in that insult for good measure, just to demonstrate how much you believe your own rhetoric about a civil discussion - really drives the point home.
And the fact that countries violate it proves that they have different concepts of justice? Sorry, oppressing individuals is not justice, it's a lack of justice. Entire countries are in stark violation? Or the leadership is? Could you make a distinction here?
Because something is violated does not invalidate it.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight You're still blind to the subjective nature of your value judgments...
cantilever 1 year ago
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@cantilever If these amorphous "countries" have different concepts of justice, why sign onto treaties that are completely contradictory to this?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@cantilever Not answering my questions is I think the lesser of the evils here, you are no longer even responding to my points, just simply insulting me and attacking strawmen.
Sorry, I really thought you were serious about your accusation and not just a vulgar propagandist.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Are you conceding...? I have repeatedly stressed that Amy Goodman's explicitly stated conception of one universal standard of justice does not jibe with multiculturalism. You introduced a lot of non-germane subjects and subjective value judgments couched as lapidary truths, and I responded to them as well. But you NEVER answered why you feel what she and you think is justice applies to EVERYONE...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever I have repeatedly stressed that Amy Goodman's explicitly stated conception of one universal standard of justice does not jibe with multiculturalism.
I couldn't agree more with that statement, you have explicitly repeated this. Unfortunately you have refused to say why this is the case.
Yeah, you win the debate the same way Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity win debates on their shows, you've just used far more gobility gooks for issues that are very straightforward. You win.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Whoa, there, doggy! Where the hell did Hannity and O'Reilly come in? (Also: it's spelled "gobbledy-gook.")
I have hope for you, as I said. You're very smart, but you're hidebound with ideology. (I was that way once myself.) Some folks never change, of course, but the more you expose yourself to different cultures and points of view, the more of an appreciation you'll have for the nature of subjectivity...but the onus is on you to get out there!
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Cool story bro
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Maybe you should flag that one as spam...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Cool, what else?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight That one, too...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever That too
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Awwww, don't sulk. It's un-Canadian...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Whoa, there, doggy!
Arkinight 1 year ago
@cantilever Yeah, I'm obtuse, I'm filibustering, I'm naive, I'm arrogant. You're right; I'm wrong. Providing evidence is irrelevant because you're correct by default.
So I'm supposed to answer your question when you refuse to answer any of mine; evade calls for evidence for your absurd claims about Goodman and continue to insult me and put words in my mouth?
I told you, I nor Goodman want to foist "our" conception of justice on anybody.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight To quoque, again...though you never told me Amy Goodman did NOT want to foist her conception of justice on anyone.
Anyway, the video would cast doubt on that claim, since she did reference a "universal" standard of justice...one standard defined for EVERYBODY...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever So can you now provide some evidence now that I did my best to answer your question?
Yeah, it is universal justice, show us why this is a bad thing; show us why different people should be held to different standards.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight "why different people should be held to different standards"
That, in a phrase, is multiculturalism.
cantilever 1 year ago
@Arkinight My sentiments exactly. He is one hideously uneducated fool.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@cantilever Sure, and you have a burden of proof to bear. Yeah, I'm very arrogant when I essentially repeat the same statements you made with the names changed, but you're very modest when you assume absurdly idiotic things like that Goodman doesn't believe in multiculturalism. I mean that is unabashedly and apologetically modest of you to strawman her like this. Take a look in the mirror before calling others arrogant.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight I'll ask again, in the spirit of optimism: Who is she--and who are you--to claim to know what "justice" is for everyone? Don't take this personally. Just debate with civility and good faith (and continued irony--it's a good sign). If Ms. Goodman believes in multiculturalism, it's a contradiction for her to impose ONE standard of UNIVERSAL justice on the world. Can you not see that...? It's right in front of your nose...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever I have told you many times, that however flawed the international system is, it is still something that we the populations of those states should try to have our states live up to. Sorry, but the burden of proof is not on her, nor is she trying "to impose ONE standard of UNIVERSAL justice".The burden is on you to show why some people should be held to higher standards than others, and please be specific who is held to what standard of justice.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight You haven't told me many times that, no matter how flawed, states should try to live up to the "international system." Re-read your comments.
Why are you parroting "burden of proof" all of a sudden? This isn't a courtroom. In any event, she explicitly stated that a "universal" standard of justice existed. Can she prove that? I doubt it. I also doubt her--and your--subjective value judgment as to what "justice" is is shared universally...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever However, flawed the global system of justice is, it is accepted by the world community and states (to the extent that their populations force them to) - usually only in rhetoric by the more powerful ones. We do not eliminate the law because some people choose to break it; conversely we do not eliminate global justice because states commit war crimes.
Why am I parroting "burden of proof"? Because you have explicitly stated how your intention was to show the contradiction.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Your first paragraph: one big steamin' bowl of non sequitur. *Hawkeye Pierce whistle*
I have shown the contradiction between holding to a "universal" standard of "justice" and multiculturalism--it's axiomatic! You're emotionally vested for some reason in defending Amy Goodman--and you're entitled to do so. But it hurts your ability to make salient points, I must say...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Yeah, vague philosophical platitudes are nice for your graduate philosophy seminar but in the real world you generally provide evidence for outrageous accusations and strawman arguments. Otherwise you're just a vulgar propagandist.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight What was my "outrageous accusation"...? That Amy Goodman could not be a proponent of multiculturalism if she insisted that one standard of (the unavoidably metaphysical concept of) justice applied to everyone...?
Axiomatic, as I said...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever No, sorry, it's not self-evident because you say so. You need evidence, unless you are so delusional to think everything that you utter is a truism.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Ad hominem! Tsk-tsk.
(It's a good thing Euclid never encountered you...)
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Yeah, these little pseudo-intellectual rants are cute but they have no bearing on the current discussion and serve no purpose. Could you explain what standard human rights abusers should be held to, if not to the Universal Charter of Human Rights, the Geneva Conventions, the Nuremberg Principles and others?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Who's holding them to any "agreed-upon" standards? The UN? Vide Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Gaza, etc.
Is the UN mandating that Saudi Arabia allow women to drive or non-Muslim houses of worship be permitted in Riyadh? I'll give you three guesses...
Again, your parochialism is oppressive: What you or I consider a "human rights abuse" is NOT necessarily what OTHER cultures would consider as such--and who is going to set that "universal" standard that you and Ms. Goodman allude to?
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Ask the victims if they believe it is an abuse of their inherent human rights, not the leaders and autocrats who you so admire.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Who said I admire them? That's a very cheap shot and unworthy of you, I must say...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever The world community is not right because it has sheer numbers on its side, nor is it wrong. If you see it as being inherently flawed then please enlighten us. Simply stating that it's bad because people violate it is idiotic. Just like it would be idiotic to remove police enforcement because some police are corrupt, or remove judicial systems because some courts hand down unfair sentences. This is a complete non seqtuitur
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight I'm glad you've disavowed the appeal to the majority fallacy, but I wish you'd stop ventriloquizing. I haven't said that the UCHR is bad--but I have intimated it's ineffective (which it is). Just a nice thought that doesn't really apply. (Ask a Saudi woman if you don't believe me.)
(Please give up the shrill and repeated "non sequitur" nonsense--I'm telling you this as a friend. You've earned yourself a tu quoque many times over...)
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Can you please provide some evidence for your claim that Goodman does not believe in multiculturalism - when we both know, without even consulting her that does she - because she believes in universal justice?
Yeah well that's nice, now that you have realized how you cannot provide any evidence you begin to evade the issue altogether and focus on ineffectiveness and other idiotic nonsense.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight You still think we're in a courtroom...? Is that your ploy to weasel out of the debate? As a Canadian, have the integrity to answer me why your subjective, parochial conception of justice somehow applies to the seven billion other human beings on earth...and why that isn't a SUPREMELY arrogant conceit.
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever If you can't even live up to a simple request for evidence for your earlier statement, then why should anybody take you seriously? Because you're trustworthy?
The world community is not correct with the current system, nor is it incorrect and there are definite flaws, however if you believe there is a better system please enlighten us. That is a tenant of multiculturalism. If you believe a cultural practice is immoral or unjust you should provide some evidence to prove this point.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight You're filibustering with ad hominems. Pity.
Here's an idea: Why don't YOU provide some evidence that Amy Goodman's/your standard of justice is shared wholeheartedly by the rest of the planet's populace? Can you do that...?
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Sorry, the burden of proof is not on me to prove why the current system (however flawed) is right, the burden is on you to show why different people should be held to different standards of justice. Please show us why.
The same standards should apply if we value ourselves as moral human beings. That is the minimum moral standard - that we apply to ourselves what we apply to others, if you can't live up to this you're just not operating in the moral universe.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight It's called multiculturalism. I have my standard of what constitutes justice and I would NEVER try to impose it on other cultures. (That would be arrogant!) People have different conceptions of justice. You know how I know this? I've been to thirty-five countries.
You're floundering in a sea of your own value judgments, unable to acknowledge that other people have different views based on their own cultural upbringing--and your views are no more "valid" than theirs...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Yeah, unfortunately you refuse to enlighten us with your far superior version of justice. Nothing has been imposed on anybody these states ratified the treaties because not doing so would be to blatantly state "we are going to abuse human rights, and we don't care what anybody thinks".
I repeat, nothing has been imposed on these people, their states have ratified it to different degrees based on how much influence they have on the state.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight You're better with irony than sarcasm. Just a heads-up. If you want to assert the paramountcy of the UCHR, you are entitled to do that. It has no basis in reality, however...which may be what attracts you to it...
But at least you are beginning to realize that there ARE different "versions" of justice. That is definite progress...
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever Only in your head. You've gone from your original idiotic and arrogant point about claiming to know what Amy Goodman thinks or does not think to critiquing my writing style. I think that's negative progress for you.
You and I both know she does believe in multiculturalism, so your entire argument is moot and you can't even provide the narrowest piece of evidence to support your claims. But of course providing evidence is anathema when you're correct by definition.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight I don't think she does--certainly not if she's espousing "one" standard of justice for everyone.
The video is the evidence,as I said. And the evidence for your arrogance and solipsism is...every comment you've posted thus far...
cantilever 1 year ago
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@cantilever You have yet to answer my question:
If these amorphous "countries" have different concepts of justice, why sign onto treaties that are completely contradictory to this?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@cantilever I think you're equating multiculturalism (key word here is culture) with multi-justice-ism - a fantasy that exists only in your head and those who want to justify crimes and atrocities because they are held to different standards. Yeah, anybody that knows history has heard this line before - "we represent the course of history so if we use violence it must be for the general good, anybody that disputes us is wrong, period."
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight You know what's in my head...? What number am I thinking of? (It was four.)
I don't know...maybe when you've traveled and read more, you'll lose your blinkered ideology--your adherence to dogmatism. We can certainly hope...
cantilever 1 year ago
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@cantilever Wow, you are very skilled at evading questions and totally sidetracking a debate, once again, I want to be enlightened by you unfortunately you refuse to answer this question:
If these amorphous "countries" have different concepts of justice, why sign onto treaties that are completely contradictory to this?
Arkinight 1 year ago
@cantilever Really? That's what the implication was? Could you tell me what else you found in my response that I did not write but you believe *I meant*?
Of course I was arrogant in "implying" this, but you were "modest" in implying it for Amy, correct? Now it's not so hard to believe that you haven't a clue about justice and how it is and must be applied universally. I realize you don't agree with this, but every state that signed onto the UN Charter does agree, as does most of the world.
Arkinight 1 year ago
@Arkinight Yes, that is the exact implication. Also from your response--based on your adducing the UCHR for one--I can glean extreme idealism and naivete. Arrogance is not pointing out a contradiction--it's claiming to know what should apply to everyone. Ms. Goodman is guilty of the latter. I'm guilty of the former.
I invite you to re-read the UCHR and think of all the states that make a mockery of its high-minded provisions. (You won't have to get past the first one...)
cantilever 1 year ago
@Arkinight And I should also point out to you--in the spirit of bonhomie and without the barest trace of arrogance--that your last sentence exhibits the logical fallacy argumentum ad populum....
cantilever 1 year ago
@cantilever You have to be the most hideously uneducated asshole on YouTube. I think that your incestuous mothers pungent vaginal odor has affected your brain.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@SolomanKane2k8 I'll have you know, I am not susceptible to flattery...
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cantilever 1 year ago
thumbs up if u would like 2 see RT do a report on what actually happened with the bp oil spill, N. Korea Attacked the U.S. Which is y the government has deployed teams of soldiers and special ops at oil rigs the put a media blackout, google it RT Do a Report on The Truth investigate this plz, a explosion come on
Josh15dean 1 year ago
She sounds Anti Semetic to me.
Stunr99 1 year ago
dont u just love it when governments run there own media??
bry10101 1 year ago
Smart Lady
kingwoofer 1 year ago
Welcome to the fascist states of america ... it's up to "we the people" to make the changes needed ... it is "we the people" fault for allow the government to become so corrupt. Time to wake up and smell the coffee ...
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo yes i agree we need to stand up against the black flag movement and obama and live by our constitution
bry10101 1 year ago
@bry10101 obama is nothing but a puppet ... a figure head ... we need to get the "men behind the curtain" and bring them before a real court of law. The reason they continue to commit more and more war crimes is because "we the people" have not held them accountable for their actions. "we the people" have allowed the elite to turn the us into a fascist country, in plain sight for all to see. If we don't do anything about this nothing will get done.
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo dude there are ppl standing up to him you need to watch some glenn beck
bry10101 1 year ago
@bry10101 I don't watch fauxnews ... and certainly not glenn beck ... I prefer to get the real news from several different sources, from real journalists. It's not just one person the people have to stand up to ... it's a group ... called the bilderberg group, one of many elite groups that are really calling the shots ... the men behind the curtain are the ones we have to focus on. They are the real terrorists.
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo dude that is what glenn beck does!! dont just do assume things by second hand acounts go to the sorce
bry10101 1 year ago
@bry10101 I've seen him in action ... fauxnews seem to be mixing the truth with lies ... to confuse the people? ... maybe ... but there are plenty of real journalists on line that will give me the real scoop ... I get reliable information from the bloggers ... so I don't need beck ... and wouldn't use fauxnews for a night light ...
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo dude bloggers!!! realy bloggers!!! omfg you get your info from liberal bloggers liveing in there moms basements
bry10101 1 year ago
@bry10101 you must be living in your moms attic while watching beck and fauxnews ... and those so called "liberal bloggers" have been right on with everything they post. Can't say the same thing for fauxnews. If you can't handle the fact that people don't like fauxnews or beck you need to go back up into your mom's attic and keep pretending you know where it's at.
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo dude fox news has been right about everything ok liberal bloggers thought bush was the anti-Christ and is he??NO! your just an ignorant freedom hating communist who wants it the pants of Putin
bry10101 1 year ago
@bry10101 absolute proof that fauxnews viewers are stupid ... were they right about Hussein having WMD? NO ... where they right about about the wars? NO where they right about the economy ... NO ... they lied and continue to do so ... its pretty obvious you are fucked in the head. Go back upstairs to the attic and keep watching fauxnews ... it suits you.
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo go back to bowing to obama wile i grab my gun and make a stand
bry10101 1 year ago
@bry10101 you pulled that one right out of your ass ... obama is a puppet ... but none the less has participated in war crimes ... I don't bow to war criminals ... go back to your mother's attic and keep pretending you know what you are talking about. You need to shut up about fauxnews ,beck and accept that people have different avenues to get the real news.
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo dude 1 i dont even have a attic 2 all other media bow to obama so...yea..and 3 usa rules
bry10101 1 year ago
@bry10101 watch?v=PM4erfptBj4
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo what a joke
bry10101 1 year ago
@bry10101 yeah ... and it's on you ...
spirittoo 1 year ago
@spirittoo this is just another loser that sends bomb threats becuase he cant handle himself
bry10101 1 year ago
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@bry10101 glenn beck dont make me laugh that CLOWN he's as bigger tool the fox is
Quandary121 1 year ago
I like everything She said except that we owe to secure Israel. Israel is responsible to create a bad situation for itself and must stop terrorism and help its neighbors to prosperity, education and peaceful way of lives. Israel has no chance to survive unless change its way of being.
artbiz45 1 year ago
president hussein obama
rage666956 1 year ago
I liked everything she said up to the end, where she stated that I had to pay for everyones healthcare. We are not Sweden. Sweden is great, I like Sweden, but Sweden is not the USA.
QuantumSpook 1 year ago
@QuantumSpook So you do not want to pay into socialized medicine but you have no problem paying for the apartheid state of Israel and the military industrial complex?
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
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seanboy80 1 year ago
Doesn't the situation of the US reminds you of the situation of the Soviet Union in the 90's ?
gringodeltoro1 1 year ago
@gringodeltoro1 yes US is going down and will not stop unless we take care of our people first we have no business helping, and teaching others what we can not do and provide for ourselves.
artbiz45 1 year ago
@artbiz45 You speak the truth but I think you may be a minority in your country... good luck though !
gringodeltoro1 1 year ago
This bitch is nothing but a lying piece of shit Jew. Fuck you I am pretty safe without your world court bitch. If Iran had any brains they would nuke Israel the minute they developed the bomb. They will become the heroes of the world no matter what the Jewish controlled media called them. Sorry but everyone I know blames the Jews just like I do and guess what I didnt hate Jews until last year. Hitler is on the way Jews.
sniper71267 1 year ago
@sniper71267
sieg heil!
hyperGlobalist 1 year ago
Although Any Goodman discredited herself by acting like a shill in relation to 9/11 Truth, she has proven her integrity on many other fronts. RT is going viral, and it's because of journalism like this. Good work.
WellIAMScottish 1 year ago
love Amy .A true American
kiaaan420 1 year ago 2
the elite that perpetuate the problems are affraid of war on their doorstep. americans have no choice but to take up arms against their leaders. there will be a line of riot cops, but those police have families and have to pick a side.. either they side with the elite that is putting them in danger, selling out their childrens futures, and will have them die at the hands of those who fight for them.. or they can side with the protesters and help their own futures.
kaker69 1 year ago
Christian Men In Turkey Are Tortured And Killed By Muslims, so I don't want to hear any of your sad song propoganda, Israel has never done anything that would compare to the evil of islam
mousey1952 1 year ago
@mousey1952 Jews have been known for killing many people throughout the world. They kill innocent women and children every day in Gaza. I cant wait until Iran nukes the shit out the piece of shit state of Israel and kills every Jew in it. Then the masses around the world will gather up the rest of them and burn them alive. Then and only then will there be peace on earth. Israel is the reasons Muslims hate Christianity. You are either a Jew or a Retard either way you are useless to society.
sniper71267 1 year ago
@sniper71267 You can't answer any of my questions because you are a hypocrite,
Jew this and Jew that, muslims hate Christians because islam is a relligion of satan's and satan hates Christ. Has nothing to do with Jews, and everything to do with islam, the religion of the devil
mousey1952 1 year ago
@mousey1952
stupid white trash believing in god and satan, haha.
hyperGlobalist 1 year ago
@hyperGlobalist Lost lost people who don't believe in Jesus, mohammed is feeling the heat right now,
mousey1952 1 year ago
@mousey1952 Muslims believe in Jesus, he is a prophet mentioned in their holy book you dumbass.
SolomanKane2k8 1 year ago
@sniper71267 Iran will never nuke Israel ,its against Islam to use weapons of mass destruction.Iran already proved it in Iraq ,even though SADDAM used chemical weapons, Iran refrained from using WMD.So PLZ don't push negative propaganda against Iran to serve your own evil cause.
kiaaan420 1 year ago
@sniper71267 You're an idiot.
Dane42o 1 year ago
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artbiz45 1 year ago