@adequateautocrat They don't understand that I'm not speaking out against women or women's rights or equality between the sexes, I'm just speaking out against the psycho cult leaders that have attached themselves to an otherwise important cause.
are just agents of that patriarchy, the very same narrow minded ones that wanted to keep people of color in oppression and stymie abortion and other womyn's health rights issues.
You're not a misogynist. Actually, you are an equalist. Fact is, it is the patriarchy that pushed these negative attitudes towards sex work in the first place. Just think about it, before womyn had any contriol or power, MEN ruled it and set these rules and laws while simultaneously and hypocritically patronizing the same ones they legislated laws against. It was guys, misogynist ones, who created slut shaming and sexual double standards against womyn before we even had a voice. These womyn
A womans true glory in life is her femininity (motherhood) and a mans true glory in life is his masculinity (chivalry). And just because women pitch their glory into the fire it doesn't mean we men must pitch our glory into the fire, women do this because they are the weaker vessel. Instead, let us men keep and safeguard our glory, let us be a good example of strength and honor for all women to follow so that they may regain their glory and honor.
What do you think of the youtube channel ManWomanMyth and his videos? It doesn't directly relate to this topic, but it does touch it vaguely, anyway in one of his videos he calls the anti-porn movement misandrist and an attack on men's emotional independence from women, presumably this is the opposite of your argument.
ppl should be free to do what they want, but that freedom/choice must be limited in order to ensure the physical/mental health of society.
even in criminal law, just cuz consent is given to murder (even if sumone makes the CHOICE), its not automatically justified..no, the judge makes a decision on SOCIAL policy, they look at how it will impact society.
its funny how ppl talk about a woman's "consent"/choice etc when its really a question of how this type of thing effects society as a whole.
Spearhead isn't mysogenistic, just some of the writers there, there's lots of opinions in that e-zine. Most of the spearhead dudes are frustrated by trying to convince some feminists that men have problems in their lives - extremism breeds extremism, when confronted by creationist fundie an athiest can become an ardent anti-theist, same with these guys.
@unassumption I think the error in the Spearhead's approach is going at the issue as a matter of "men vs. women." If there is to be progress in society, we have to look at the matter as one of humanity as a whole. Otherwise we're just going to be exchanging power back and forth for all eternity.
indeed the majority of writers there use 'women' when they mean a very small subset of women, i see why they do it (frustration) but that doesn't justify it. Spearhead ignore the real causes and possible cures of men's problems (workplace injury/death/disease, healthcare, lifespan, sentencing/ arrest, crime victimisation, addiction, mental illness, suicide, etc. disparity) by blaming them all on women, and loose potential supporters by taking such a partisan approach
@unassumption Right- that's why I'm constantly clarifying my stance as well. I'm not even opposed to feminism, just this insane authoritarian bent some people have.
they dont have a problem with consent, they deny that women possess it in relation to prostitution/porn, on the premis that men or "society" or whatever "enslaves" or "coerces" women into the business.
this premis is not only degrading to women (it puts them in the category of a child, unable to consent) but irrational. its women like this that not only represent women as unequal, but create mysogynists by giving the impression that ALL women are equally impervious to reason/critical thinking.
How can you be a feminist and pro life sorry I am aware that there are some feminists out there that have that position. When I say pro life I mean that they want to make abortion illegal for everyone else.
I find it amusing that self descirbed feminist marxist is supporting the feminist right.
It reminds me of people campaigning for peace supporting Hamas, or Two State supporting jews taking money from Christian Fundies who want a one state solution to bring about an apocalypse wherin isreal is the center of a shitstorm.
There has to be SOMEBODY raping those little girls on Craig's list. But, it's never "me"..it's never your buddy, the guy next door, your uncle... But we know it's a whole lot of mainstream men doing it. Who are these men? Do you think maybe some of the overwrought-emotional-straw-man-creating males who try to tear Sael apart are benefiting from the exploitation of children?
We talk about these things in a detached way, like it's an intellectual discussion. It needs to be REAL, and connected to the emotions. I don't quite know how the thought of a grown man penetrating the body of a 12 year old girl sits with you..but it makes me sick. So, lets dispense with the detached discussion about whether women have the right to do what they want with their bodies...these are not "women".
@xy11xy I don't understand why you are even bringing this up. This is about WOMEN being allowed to do what they want with their bodies. You're talking about GIRLS. Yes, child exploitation makes me profoundly sick, but we're talking about adults capable of making their own decisions.
"This is about WOMEN being allowed to do what they want with their bodies"
if they choose to do it in the privacy of their own homes, that's their choice...but once its out in the public, on the internet and their making money off it and exposing children to it, it becomes another story..it becomes more than just an individual's "choice". i dont get why that's so hard for ppl to understand and why ppl are splitting hairs over the definition of "freedom" smdh lol
@koala8 Sorry, but we have freedom of speech in this country. You don't get to shut people down just because what they say is availible publically. Also, THEY are not the ones exposing children to it. Your shitty parenting is what exposes kids to it because- guess what- your kids are the only ones that you're allowed to govern.
if parents could stop the exposure there would be no argument in the first place...and there will be no need for debate...however, the fact is, these multimillion dollar industries have corporate interests to increase market share and they DO impact children. thus society must reach a consensus to limit certain freedoms for the protection of the vulnerable. that seems like common sense to me and not at all unreasonable
@koala8 Once you institute a policy of removing freedoms for the sake of alleviating risk, you'll find that you don't have any. All freedoms involve some amount of risk and you have to decide what amount of freedom you're willing to take responsibility for. In a society with freedom of speech, all persons have a right to present ideas and concepts that will sway the opinions of others. If this freedom is too much for you and your child then the Amish will be more than happy to take you.
@jordanowen42 But you DON'T want to live among the Amish do you? You want to live in our modern first world society with all the bells and whistles and to do that you have to accept that your children cannot be kept in a state of perpetual ignorance and must learn to face the world. You have to accept that your children will become adults and you have to equip them with the skills to observe what they are presented with and decide based rational capacity.
the bells and whistles u refer to is the fact that we have debate about these things and ppl like Gail exist to give perspective..ppl should be able to criticize mainstream society and discuss potential negative consequences of certain industries/corporate agendas without being labelled as Amish
the focus should be on the vulnerability of certain members of society..some freedom of speech is more important than others. weigh the pros and cons. like freedom of political speech is more important than say, freedom of asstomouth speech LOL..id rather limit that type of expression rather than hurt children...btw i dont have children, so from an objective perspective i can still see the validity of some gail's points. u dont have to be Amish to see the validity of her points
@koala8 Her points don't have any validity. We live in a society that's adult-friendly, not kid-friendly. Children will inevitably have to grow up and as grown ups their happiness will result from their ability to judge, evaluate and respond to the world around them. There's no such thing as a type of expression that hurts children (and I mean intellectual expression, not physical assault, etc) only expression that they have not yet been taught how to deal with.
@jordanowen42 You cannot limit freedoms to the point that you have freedom. The idea that we'll just take away a few freedoms until we feel safe again is to give birth to a dictatorship.
imo their ability to judge/evaluate and respond wont necessarily improve through the watching of porn.
& is it even adult-friendly? that's a whole other argument..if it causes diseases+ increases potential for mutation of already existing diseases - i dont think its really worth it...its all about weighing the pros and cons...the potential dangers outweigh the alleged "benefits" i think
@koala8 Their ability to judge and evaluate is improved by watching porn because they will be exposed to the diversity of human sexual interests and become more tolerant, accepting people as a result.
Porn is not what spreads disease. SEX is what spreads disease. Porn is the documentation of sex. By your logic we need to outlaw sex or unprotected sex for the greater good of society. To hell with that. Who is John Galt?
ur first point is not proved. no one really knows what will happen...what Gail is validly saying is that the children of today are guinea pigs for what CAN happen with such exposure..cause we really dont know yet..there's nothing wrong with making that argument...
ppl in that industry have high numbers of stds...with the growing number of antibiotic resistant superbugs .e.g. drug resistant gonnoreah the potential for harm is not unreasonable.
People get confused between 'freedom to' and 'freedom from'.
Freedom from is what religions and moralistic hypocrites would use to imprison us in a moral web of our own making or, more usually, a moral web of their making.
Freedom to is what is also referred to as liberty:
Freedom to work
Freedom to choose whether to have sex with a spouse
Freedom to vote
Freedom to drink
Freedom to choose for oneself
Freedom from means giving up freedom to something that protects you. It's not liberty.
"Freedom from means giving up freedom to something that protects you. It's not liberty."
What about freedom from being violated? Freedom from being sexually harassed in the world place? Freedom and liberty are not the only essential values of a civilized society. In the U.S., we make exceptions and restrict individual liberty, when it is viewed in the ultimate best interest of the individual and of society.
@ExistentialDespair Its not an abstraction- if you are put inside a steel box with air holes and given three meals a day, you may be free from external forces but you loose the freedom to live as you wish. This is the reflexive nature of freedom. In the context of this debate, what would you rather have- the freedom from rape or the freedom to live as you wish?
@ExistentialDespair To make you free FROM rape all I would have to do is isolate you from the world. To make you free TO live as you want, I have to work to counteract a myriad of factors that would jeopardize your well being. You would not be totally safe, but you could live as you wish with minimal risk.
'We're against prostitution cos those sluts are reinforcing the role of entitlement a man feels he should have over a woman’s body. Whereas those sexist pigs are against prostitution cos they wish to reinforce the role of entitlement a man feels he should have over a woman’s body.'
Hearing them brand people 'Misogynists' cos someone called them out always reminds me of those who cry 'Bigot' at critics of their bizarre authoritarian belief system, I'm just saying.
Further I thank IreMythPurr & SaelPalani for my discovery of the left wing of Feminism.
If it wasn't for their conspiracy theories (cos capitalism needs patriarchy, only males watch porn which only females perform & only men are capable of rape) & conduct towards those of the opposition they'd have never made my vote so simple.
It could make sense if you let one or a few speak for all of us. But I think you grab on to the only argument from us "antis" that you are capable of handling. Hence this video.
@Flapjackbatter Rather than waste time, why not just make the arguments you think I'm not capable of handling? Also, this is hardly the only argument I've addressed and if you'd taken the time to watch my other videos you would know that.
That is not correct. Now I cant speak for anyone but my slef. But anyway.
There exists a imbalance in power , right ? Those that have lots of it can allow themselves to exploit those that have not.
Most (and this is important : most) prostitutes sell themselves because they are in some situation where they lack real choices. And because there exist ppl with power that allow themselves to take advantage of this.
@Flapjackbatter Ah yes- the classic assumption that sex workers only do what they do because they're either too stupid or oppressed to do anything else. But who are you to speak for someone other than your 'slef?' Lets see... Bobbi Starr is a graduate of San Jose State... Victoria Zdrok is a graduate of Pensacola Junior College and West Chester and has degrees from Drexel and Villanova Universities and Tera Patrick has a degree in nursing and a BS in Microbiology. So much for that argument.
You lost me when you you said Sael is against women's rights simply because she opposes sex trafficking.. That's bullshit. The central premise is that all people want to engage in life-sustaining, empowering activities. You're free to contract HIV, but what sort of freedom does having HIV give you?
@xy11xy Well, firstly, maybe you're lost because Jordan in this video didn't address sex trafficking or rather, sex slavery. His video was responding to SaelPalani's asinine suggestion that because he's not anti-porn, he's a misogynist. Or perhaps that those in pornography (as in people who get paid to perform sexual acts), and sex slavery are distinguished by one factor: slavery.
@xy11xy While that may be true, I only responded to you because I can't in good conscience leave what I regard to be nonsensical strawmen, fallacies, and outright bollocks for several hours unchallenged. Not because I'm some sort of lapdog who goes at Jordan's beck and call. But it's interesting that you seem to think that since from what I tell, you have a hard time comprehending that women DO make their own choices entering porn, and expressing their sexuality in general.
@xy11xy Additionally, you're not exactly in a position to tell me that Jordan's the one that should be responding to you because, firstly, you haven't addressed my criticism of what I see to be paintbrushing of the porn industry, and secondly, I didn't insinuate that Sael's the one that should talking, not you. You, like me, commented at your own accord. In the meantime, please explain why it is a woman cannot choose to go into porn based on her own judgement?
@xy11xy "You're free to contanct HIV, but what sort of freedom does having HIV give you?"
Interesting point. In fact, after we take down the evil porn industry, let's go after the sports industry too, starting with outlawing boxing. I mean, what kind of freedom does receiving brain damage give you? even though you're free to receive brain damage?
I'm coming in late to this discussion but ass to mouth, or any other sexual act, is a personal decision. First it's one you make on your own and second one you make with the person you're fucking. I'm not sure wtf that has to do with feminism or misogyny...
It sounds like the gal with her panties in a bunch should try ass to mouth. Don't knock it till you try it, and all that.
Regarding the point near the end, it made me realize how I'm essentially socially liberal and far-left, but economically right-wing. I'm essentially a libertarian economically. only somewhat socially, but overall I would be the modern standard of a pot-smoking, pacifistic hippie on social issues.
Also one of the reasons why I like how political compass has two axis's instead of one. A social axis and an economic axis. Not really relevant to the video much, but, well, something.
I'd love to hear your ideas on how we will supply society with enough people for johns to jerk off into in our socialist utopia. Since poverty will be eliminated how do you propose we get people to do this socially necessary labor? I guess female empowerment?
@iremythpurr Well, would be easy enough to let those women who still choose to do so stay in the profession...as for demand, perhaps waiting lists will solve such an issue? Perhaps in a more sex positive society women wont grow up thinking there is anything wrong with doing so (just as actors used to be stigmatized, and are now celebrities).
Of course, we could just stick our heads in the sand and pretend that you can "eliminate demand" or some other such idealistic nonsense...
@iremythpurr Utopia.. I see you finally coming to term with your utopian ideas because that is what they are utopian.. do you think your utopian will ever eixst.. if so dream on.
@Eopyk I retract that statement. You are NOT free to go fuck yourself, nor are you free to fuck anyone else for that matter. You DON'T have the right to use me as a masturbation accessory; you DON'T have the right to masturbate, and you DON'T have the right to enjoy your own body. After all, we are not libertarians, we are COMMUNISTS!! Clear?
@BobChaos23 As I have told you repeatedly, I am not a troll. I am someone's conscience. The video you made showing your ♥ for me was false flagged and is now mirrored by my oojie, Mustex4.
As I understand the "right wing" of feminism all men are misogynists, all intercourse is rape and pornography it the moral equivalent of rape. The ability of the human race to come up with totally insane ideas and behaviours is truly astounding.
SaelPalani is an anti-sex idiot. She doesn't represent me or any reasonable women. Any sex act, be it masturbation, intercourse, etc., is not degrading when we give CONSENT It's that c-word that she and her ilk are having trouble with. They want to limit our sexual freedom, which is NOT how feminism works. Personally, I'm not into that, but there are women, who are.
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@gir908922 Ok, you spread your legs on YouTube and I'll use my best sexual organ. My brain. Quick quick!!! You're missing your spoon-fed images of porn! That's what happens when you don't have things like creativity and self-esteem. You're a boring, mass produced, follower. You're not imaginative. You need someone telling you how to enjoy yourself. You're BORING.
@jordanowen42 Yep. You pretty much got that right. If people don't agree with her, she just insults them instead of having a conversation. You can't talk reason with fem-Nazis. It's like talking reason with fundies.
@gir908922 Anti-sex? You've come up with a new one! Next time you masturbate, remember me. Make SURE I give you a bad sexual experience. Okay dum dum? You're not reasonable. You're insane if you give me that kind of power to ruin your sex life. A total stranger on the net thinks I'm limiting their sexuality. You're a lulfest.
@jordanowen42 If the woman doesn't really want to do it but is coerced into it or doesn't have a say in a certain act until it's already done. That's pretty degrading.
@MegaWinnieGirl That's what the above comment was referring to. If she gives her consent then it isn't degrading and it isn't for third parties to go around deciding that it is on her behalf. Were you even paying attention to what the above comment said?
@jordanowen42 Maybe I phrased it wrong, I was agreeing, but saying that some acts can still be degrading. Then you asked me a completely separate question about what is objectively degrading which is of course a lack of consent. Sorry I'm a bit sleepy lol maybe I misunderstood your question.
@MegaWinnieGirl Indeed, a lack of consent would be degrading and also rape. But within the realm of consent, an act is only as degrading as its practitioners consider it to be.
@MegaWinnieGirl What one woman considers degrading can be a fun sex act for another. Again, you cannot decide for other women what sexual acts are degrading to them. If you find something degrading, don't do it. However, if I don't find it degrading and I like it, I'm going to do it. That's for me to decide. It's completely subjective and it's all about personal perspective.
Yeah I guess you're both right. But there are some acts that you might not necessarily give your consent to but aren't quite rape. For an example, at the end of intercourse a male pulling out and ejaculating on your face, and you don't want that. Not exactly rape lol but I would say that's a degrading act and the only way you could really outline your feelings on that would be to write up a list beforehand of every act you consent to, lol, which would be pretty impractical. Know what I mean?
@MegaWinnieGirl You do realize that some women do get off on bukkake, right? And you finding that degrading is your opinion. Stop trying to determine for other women what they find degrading.
@gir908922 What I'm saying is that how far does saying the initial yes go? Chances are when you engage in intercourse you don't give the male a list of do's and do not's. I didn't say I personally find that degrading, lol, I said 'and you don't want that' is a degrading act. But if I did find it degrading but didn't expressly forbid said action taking place and did want intercourse does that mean I consented to said action, as a part and parcel kind of thing?
@MegaWinnieGirl Then, it's up to your partner to find out what sex acts you're willing to do and what you won't do. Nobody is expected to have a list, but you should discuss with him what you both are willing to do and what you're not willing to do.
@gir908922 Yeah I know. I was asking a yes/no type of question for that hypothetical situation. But you can replace the 'bukkake' with a different act that is conducted during the heat of the moment, if you prefer.
@MegaWinnieGirl I know you can, but it still doesn't mean that you can say that certain sex acts you don't like are objectively degrading. That's what people like you fail to understand.
@MegaWinnieGirl u dont like face blasts? how abot after a good long assfuck, u suck/lick it clean n then i blast it in your moth. u swallow right? like all the white hos in the porn movy.
@MegaWinnieGirl wrong gues. i'v fucked hundreds of white hores becausze you n I both know the white girls are the most hore-like of all women. dick sucking, ass fucking,tonge in the ass, cum swallowing. U WHITE HOS R THE ONES WHO INVENTID THESE. IN ANCENT ROME N GREECE. this is a fact.
@MegaWinnieGirl He may be vulgar and crude, but he's right in his disagreeing with you. You don't have the right to determine what is and is not degrading for other women.
@jordanowen42 I'm not trying to. I was simply putting my opinion forward and waiting for other opinions to be put forth so that I could learn from them.
@jordanowen42 You can clearly see where I acknowledge you guys were right. I don't see how what I said (asking questions and admitting I was wrong in some things) makes you believe I deserve the attack I got. But OK.
@jordanowen42 The person who called you a mysogynist. Not you, if that's what you were thinking.
What I meant was, he has started with a premise that his opinions and worldview are pro-women and concluded that anyone opposed to his opinions is neccessarily mysogynistic.
Anytime you hear a woman call a mature 30+ man a perv for dating a much younger woman.. say "what gives you the right to degrade men? Agism is wrong. What gives millions of women a right to be ageists? Since agism isnt sexism.... its ok then?". Anytime you hear a racist white woman who is anti white male with asian wife say something like "you date asian women because they are weak".. say "what gives you a right to degrade asian women and say they look like boys?"
" Trading patriarchy for matriarchy isn't going to make anyone more free " Nice one Jordan. By describing herself as ' The Matriarch ' she is really just shifting the power and control from patriarchy over, and deciding on what ' rules ' women should live by. She doesn't speak for ALL WOMEN, and it's high time people like her learned that.
@REALCougarsRmales I've seen more women, who were sexist as those TRL idiots. XD I had to explain to another woman on Facebook that sexism is discrimination based on gender and that both genders can experience it.
Anytime you hear a woman call a mature 30+ man a perv for dating a much younger woman.. say "what gives you the right to degrade men? Agism is wrong. What gives millions of women a right to be ageists? Since agism isnt sexism.... its ok?". Anytime you hear a racist white woman who is anti white male with asian wife say something like "you date asian women because they are weak".. say "what gives you a right to degrade asian women and say they look like boys? "
She is desperately unoriginal (stealing most of what she says from the likes of Dianes, even down to the phrasing), and obviously desperate to drag out the "misogynist" trope...*sigh*.
Of course, when she trolls you (not that she watched the video, it seems, or if she did she certainly didn't listen), that is perfectly fine, but watch out if you try to leave any sort of a comment on her videos!
I really just want to throw a dictionary at her and make her read me the definition of misogyny and explain how you fit that definition. You know I've always found you to be an extremely enlightened and tolerant person.
Accusations of racism and sexism aren't even worth responding to. These accusations are made by people who fear that others will see from them what they see in the mirror. The only people that are moved by such statements are mindless drones that aren't worth your time anyway. Intelligent people assess someone else's character for themselves.
Wanting to prohibit information due to what people make of it (ie: ATM and people who like it because they consider it degrading to the woman), is saying that there -is- such a thing as a thought crime. So, thinking can be bad, people, even if said thoughts remain in your head.
I don't know. I went with a feminist and it was emotionally traumatizing. I don't trust most of them at all. I get the feeling they are out for themselves, not for family, not for the children, and not for the solidarity and happiness of the human species. But rather whatever benefits them.
@sylence7 I've long said that people like Dines have a cult mentality- you may have experienced some of that. Nothing puts someone in a better place to take advantage of people like playing the victim.
Truer words were never spoken. DianaBoston is not fucking matriarch of mine. For all that the anti-choice fems like to talk about the more liberal fems making it 'all about us', look at what that channel title says: she cares nothing about real issues because it gets in the way of her aggrandizing herself and polishing her apples and making a great show of what a tender-hearted soul she is, when she openly slut-shames and insults other women she claims to care so much about. FUCK her. End of.
I don't know why she would call you a mysogonist either, I mean does disagreeing with her make everyone who does a mysogonist? That's just silly. I like how you described that there is an authoritarian left out there, it's something I've known about for a while, and you articulated it well.
@HilaciousM Thanks- I actually like to look at politics in terms of the Pournelle Chart which, while it was designed by Jerry Pournelle, a conservative, is actually insightful into the full spectrum of political leanings.
If anyone is a misogynist, it's Diana. Well, along with her friends.
I definitely agree with you about how exchanging patriarchy with matriarchy would be no better or different. I see it the same with race and ethnicity. We get nowhere when we try to polarize ourselves. It's too bad too many people benefit from the polarization.
"Consent is something these people seem to have a problem with" Well said.. Don't they understand that these acts are taking place between two consenting adults? I guess not. I guess they believe in government intervention to stop this behavior, I don't know what other conclusion can be made from this argument.
anything a man says speaking out against feminism is misogynistic
adequateautocrat 5 days ago
@adequateautocrat They don't understand that I'm not speaking out against women or women's rights or equality between the sexes, I'm just speaking out against the psycho cult leaders that have attached themselves to an otherwise important cause.
jordanowen42 5 days ago
Damn, brah. I LOVE you. You got a new fan.
HappyHooker83 1 week ago
@HappyHooker83 :)
jordanowen42 1 week ago
are just agents of that patriarchy, the very same narrow minded ones that wanted to keep people of color in oppression and stymie abortion and other womyn's health rights issues.
HappyHooker83 1 week ago
You're not a misogynist. Actually, you are an equalist. Fact is, it is the patriarchy that pushed these negative attitudes towards sex work in the first place. Just think about it, before womyn had any contriol or power, MEN ruled it and set these rules and laws while simultaneously and hypocritically patronizing the same ones they legislated laws against. It was guys, misogynist ones, who created slut shaming and sexual double standards against womyn before we even had a voice. These womyn
HappyHooker83 1 week ago
what.. the.. hell... Who taught that caveman how to talk and use the internet?
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A womans true glory in life is her femininity (motherhood) and a mans true glory in life is his masculinity (chivalry). And just because women pitch their glory into the fire it doesn't mean we men must pitch our glory into the fire, women do this because they are the weaker vessel. Instead, let us men keep and safeguard our glory, let us be a good example of strength and honor for all women to follow so that they may regain their glory and honor.
hurc662000 1 month ago
What do you think of the youtube channel ManWomanMyth and his videos? It doesn't directly relate to this topic, but it does touch it vaguely, anyway in one of his videos he calls the anti-porn movement misandrist and an attack on men's emotional independence from women, presumably this is the opposite of your argument.
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There aren't many people I hate more than the feminist right.
Meex1989 7 months ago
Minority in orientation? What are you, and what was your school's orientation?
mizakzee 8 months ago
ppl should be free to do what they want, but that freedom/choice must be limited in order to ensure the physical/mental health of society.
even in criminal law, just cuz consent is given to murder (even if sumone makes the CHOICE), its not automatically justified..no, the judge makes a decision on SOCIAL policy, they look at how it will impact society.
its funny how ppl talk about a woman's "consent"/choice etc when its really a question of how this type of thing effects society as a whole.
koala8 9 months ago
Excellent video.
shameoncanada 1 year ago
@shameoncanada I 2nd in that
AndThenCameThenC 10 months ago
Spearhead isn't mysogenistic, just some of the writers there, there's lots of opinions in that e-zine. Most of the spearhead dudes are frustrated by trying to convince some feminists that men have problems in their lives - extremism breeds extremism, when confronted by creationist fundie an athiest can become an ardent anti-theist, same with these guys.
unassumption 1 year ago 2
@unassumption I think the error in the Spearhead's approach is going at the issue as a matter of "men vs. women." If there is to be progress in society, we have to look at the matter as one of humanity as a whole. Otherwise we're just going to be exchanging power back and forth for all eternity.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 2
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indeed the majority of writers there use 'women' when they mean a very small subset of women, i see why they do it (frustration) but that doesn't justify it. Spearhead ignore the real causes and possible cures of men's problems (workplace injury/death/disease, healthcare, lifespan, sentencing/ arrest, crime victimisation, addiction, mental illness, suicide, etc. disparity) by blaming them all on women, and loose potential supporters by taking such a partisan approach
unassumption 1 year ago 2
@unassumption Right- that's why I'm constantly clarifying my stance as well. I'm not even opposed to feminism, just this insane authoritarian bent some people have.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 2
they dont have a problem with consent, they deny that women possess it in relation to prostitution/porn, on the premis that men or "society" or whatever "enslaves" or "coerces" women into the business.
this premis is not only degrading to women (it puts them in the category of a child, unable to consent) but irrational. its women like this that not only represent women as unequal, but create mysogynists by giving the impression that ALL women are equally impervious to reason/critical thinking.
knowthingman 1 year ago
How can you be a feminist and pro life sorry I am aware that there are some feminists out there that have that position. When I say pro life I mean that they want to make abortion illegal for everyone else.
Masterzec 1 year ago
I find it amusing that self descirbed feminist marxist is supporting the feminist right.
It reminds me of people campaigning for peace supporting Hamas, or Two State supporting jews taking money from Christian Fundies who want a one state solution to bring about an apocalypse wherin isreal is the center of a shitstorm.
TheBoyFromNorfolk 1 year ago 8
@TheBoyFromNorfolk Yeah. Whatever Gail calls herself, she's just an authoritarian.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 2
There has to be SOMEBODY raping those little girls on Craig's list. But, it's never "me"..it's never your buddy, the guy next door, your uncle... But we know it's a whole lot of mainstream men doing it. Who are these men? Do you think maybe some of the overwrought-emotional-straw-man-creating males who try to tear Sael apart are benefiting from the exploitation of children?
xy11xy 1 year ago
@xy11xy No, I don't think anybody benefits from the exploitation of children and am not sure what argument you're trying to make here...
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42
We talk about these things in a detached way, like it's an intellectual discussion. It needs to be REAL, and connected to the emotions. I don't quite know how the thought of a grown man penetrating the body of a 12 year old girl sits with you..but it makes me sick. So, lets dispense with the detached discussion about whether women have the right to do what they want with their bodies...these are not "women".
xy11xy 1 year ago
@xy11xy I don't understand why you are even bringing this up. This is about WOMEN being allowed to do what they want with their bodies. You're talking about GIRLS. Yes, child exploitation makes me profoundly sick, but we're talking about adults capable of making their own decisions.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 13
@jordanowen42
"This is about WOMEN being allowed to do what they want with their bodies"
if they choose to do it in the privacy of their own homes, that's their choice...but once its out in the public, on the internet and their making money off it and exposing children to it, it becomes another story..it becomes more than just an individual's "choice". i dont get why that's so hard for ppl to understand and why ppl are splitting hairs over the definition of "freedom" smdh lol
koala8 9 months ago
@koala8 Sorry, but we have freedom of speech in this country. You don't get to shut people down just because what they say is availible publically. Also, THEY are not the ones exposing children to it. Your shitty parenting is what exposes kids to it because- guess what- your kids are the only ones that you're allowed to govern.
jordanowen42 9 months ago 3
@jordanowen42
if parents could stop the exposure there would be no argument in the first place...and there will be no need for debate...however, the fact is, these multimillion dollar industries have corporate interests to increase market share and they DO impact children. thus society must reach a consensus to limit certain freedoms for the protection of the vulnerable. that seems like common sense to me and not at all unreasonable
koala8 9 months ago
@koala8 Once you institute a policy of removing freedoms for the sake of alleviating risk, you'll find that you don't have any. All freedoms involve some amount of risk and you have to decide what amount of freedom you're willing to take responsibility for. In a society with freedom of speech, all persons have a right to present ideas and concepts that will sway the opinions of others. If this freedom is too much for you and your child then the Amish will be more than happy to take you.
jordanowen42 9 months ago 2
@jordanowen42 But you DON'T want to live among the Amish do you? You want to live in our modern first world society with all the bells and whistles and to do that you have to accept that your children cannot be kept in a state of perpetual ignorance and must learn to face the world. You have to accept that your children will become adults and you have to equip them with the skills to observe what they are presented with and decide based rational capacity.
jordanowen42 9 months ago 3
@jordanowen42
the bells and whistles u refer to is the fact that we have debate about these things and ppl like Gail exist to give perspective..ppl should be able to criticize mainstream society and discuss potential negative consequences of certain industries/corporate agendas without being labelled as Amish
koala8 9 months ago
@jordanowen42
the focus should be on the vulnerability of certain members of society..some freedom of speech is more important than others. weigh the pros and cons. like freedom of political speech is more important than say, freedom of asstomouth speech LOL..id rather limit that type of expression rather than hurt children...btw i dont have children, so from an objective perspective i can still see the validity of some gail's points. u dont have to be Amish to see the validity of her points
koala8 9 months ago
@koala8 Her points don't have any validity. We live in a society that's adult-friendly, not kid-friendly. Children will inevitably have to grow up and as grown ups their happiness will result from their ability to judge, evaluate and respond to the world around them. There's no such thing as a type of expression that hurts children (and I mean intellectual expression, not physical assault, etc) only expression that they have not yet been taught how to deal with.
jordanowen42 9 months ago 4
@jordanowen42 You cannot limit freedoms to the point that you have freedom. The idea that we'll just take away a few freedoms until we feel safe again is to give birth to a dictatorship.
jordanowen42 9 months ago 2
@jordanowen42
imo their ability to judge/evaluate and respond wont necessarily improve through the watching of porn.
& is it even adult-friendly? that's a whole other argument..if it causes diseases+ increases potential for mutation of already existing diseases - i dont think its really worth it...its all about weighing the pros and cons...the potential dangers outweigh the alleged "benefits" i think
koala8 9 months ago
@koala8 Their ability to judge and evaluate is improved by watching porn because they will be exposed to the diversity of human sexual interests and become more tolerant, accepting people as a result.
Porn is not what spreads disease. SEX is what spreads disease. Porn is the documentation of sex. By your logic we need to outlaw sex or unprotected sex for the greater good of society. To hell with that. Who is John Galt?
jordanowen42 9 months ago 4
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koala8 9 months ago
@jordanowen42
ur first point is not proved. no one really knows what will happen...what Gail is validly saying is that the children of today are guinea pigs for what CAN happen with such exposure..cause we really dont know yet..there's nothing wrong with making that argument...
ppl in that industry have high numbers of stds...with the growing number of antibiotic resistant superbugs .e.g. drug resistant gonnoreah the potential for harm is not unreasonable.
koala8 9 months ago
People get confused between 'freedom to' and 'freedom from'.
Freedom from is what religions and moralistic hypocrites would use to imprison us in a moral web of our own making or, more usually, a moral web of their making.
Freedom to is what is also referred to as liberty:
Freedom to work
Freedom to choose whether to have sex with a spouse
Freedom to vote
Freedom to drink
Freedom to choose for oneself
Freedom from means giving up freedom to something that protects you. It's not liberty.
Teloculos 1 year ago 5
@Teloculos Exactly.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@Teloculos
"'freedom to' and 'freedom from'"
That is an arbitrary distinction.
"Freedom from means giving up freedom to something that protects you. It's not liberty."
What about freedom from being violated? Freedom from being sexually harassed in the world place? Freedom and liberty are not the only essential values of a civilized society. In the U.S., we make exceptions and restrict individual liberty, when it is viewed in the ultimate best interest of the individual and of society.
ExistentialDespair 1 year ago
@ExistentialDespair Its not an abstraction- if you are put inside a steel box with air holes and given three meals a day, you may be free from external forces but you loose the freedom to live as you wish. This is the reflexive nature of freedom. In the context of this debate, what would you rather have- the freedom from rape or the freedom to live as you wish?
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 You may have freedom, or you may have peace. Don't ever count on having both at once.
waxglasses 1 year ago
@ExistentialDespair To make you free FROM rape all I would have to do is isolate you from the world. To make you free TO live as you want, I have to work to counteract a myriad of factors that would jeopardize your well being. You would not be totally safe, but you could live as you wish with minimal risk.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
'We're against prostitution cos those sluts are reinforcing the role of entitlement a man feels he should have over a woman’s body. Whereas those sexist pigs are against prostitution cos they wish to reinforce the role of entitlement a man feels he should have over a woman’s body.'
Hearing them brand people 'Misogynists' cos someone called them out always reminds me of those who cry 'Bigot' at critics of their bizarre authoritarian belief system, I'm just saying.
stru81 1 year ago
@stru81
Further I thank IreMythPurr & SaelPalani for my discovery of the left wing of Feminism.
If it wasn't for their conspiracy theories (cos capitalism needs patriarchy, only males watch porn which only females perform & only men are capable of rape) & conduct towards those of the opposition they'd have never made my vote so simple.
stru81 1 year ago 4
@stru81
We are the left wing of feminism.
Do you fuckers even know what "left" refers to?
iremythpurr 1 year ago
@stru81
I'd like you to point out where thats been said by any feminist who opposes the sex industry.
I also must affirm again, I don't hate the women who are prostituted, I hate the people who feel they have a right to USE them.
iremythpurr 1 year ago
So in homosexual porn with ATM is that degrading a man? o.O i am a Maleist! woot =P
dannyboy666999 1 year ago 4
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geniesoldaat 1 year ago
The anti-porn movement believe (collective noun) that women are incapable of giving consent. ...Fuckin' weird.
dildace 1 year ago 5
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geniesoldaat 1 year ago
@dildace They hate women in the name of loving them much the same way Christian fundamentalists hate humanity in the name of loving it.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 12
@jordanowen42
It could make sense if you let one or a few speak for all of us. But I think you grab on to the only argument from us "antis" that you are capable of handling. Hence this video.
Flapjackbatter 1 year ago
@Flapjackbatter Rather than waste time, why not just make the arguments you think I'm not capable of handling? Also, this is hardly the only argument I've addressed and if you'd taken the time to watch my other videos you would know that.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@Flapjackbatter rather that make pointless accusations, why don't you toss out one of the arguments you think I can't handle?
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@dildace
That is not correct. Now I cant speak for anyone but my slef. But anyway.
There exists a imbalance in power , right ? Those that have lots of it can allow themselves to exploit those that have not.
Most (and this is important : most) prostitutes sell themselves because they are in some situation where they lack real choices. And because there exist ppl with power that allow themselves to take advantage of this.
Flapjackbatter 1 year ago
@Flapjackbatter Ah yes- the classic assumption that sex workers only do what they do because they're either too stupid or oppressed to do anything else. But who are you to speak for someone other than your 'slef?' Lets see... Bobbi Starr is a graduate of San Jose State... Victoria Zdrok is a graduate of Pensacola Junior College and West Chester and has degrees from Drexel and Villanova Universities and Tera Patrick has a degree in nursing and a BS in Microbiology. So much for that argument.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 5
You lost me when you you said Sael is against women's rights simply because she opposes sex trafficking.. That's bullshit. The central premise is that all people want to engage in life-sustaining, empowering activities. You're free to contract HIV, but what sort of freedom does having HIV give you?
xy11xy 1 year ago
@xy11xy Well, firstly, maybe you're lost because Jordan in this video didn't address sex trafficking or rather, sex slavery. His video was responding to SaelPalani's asinine suggestion that because he's not anti-porn, he's a misogynist. Or perhaps that those in pornography (as in people who get paid to perform sexual acts), and sex slavery are distinguished by one factor: slavery.
Afriboy2007 1 year ago
@Afriboy2007
In future, allow Jordan to do his own heavy lifting. I think he has a much greater capacity than you.
xy11xy 1 year ago
@xy11xy While that may be true, I only responded to you because I can't in good conscience leave what I regard to be nonsensical strawmen, fallacies, and outright bollocks for several hours unchallenged. Not because I'm some sort of lapdog who goes at Jordan's beck and call. But it's interesting that you seem to think that since from what I tell, you have a hard time comprehending that women DO make their own choices entering porn, and expressing their sexuality in general.
Afriboy2007 1 year ago
@xy11xy Additionally, you're not exactly in a position to tell me that Jordan's the one that should be responding to you because, firstly, you haven't addressed my criticism of what I see to be paintbrushing of the porn industry, and secondly, I didn't insinuate that Sael's the one that should talking, not you. You, like me, commented at your own accord. In the meantime, please explain why it is a woman cannot choose to go into porn based on her own judgement?
Afriboy2007 1 year ago
@Afriboy2007
Ok, well let me clarify my position for you: fuck off.
xy11xy 1 year ago
@xy11xy Nice. A very mature and well-thought out response when pressured. I'll miss you too.
Afriboy2007 1 year ago
@Afriboy2007 Exactly.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@xy11xy "You're free to contanct HIV, but what sort of freedom does having HIV give you?"
Interesting point. In fact, after we take down the evil porn industry, let's go after the sports industry too, starting with outlawing boxing. I mean, what kind of freedom does receiving brain damage give you? even though you're free to receive brain damage?
Afriboy2007 1 year ago
I'm coming in late to this discussion but ass to mouth, or any other sexual act, is a personal decision. First it's one you make on your own and second one you make with the person you're fucking. I'm not sure wtf that has to do with feminism or misogyny...
It sounds like the gal with her panties in a bunch should try ass to mouth. Don't knock it till you try it, and all that.
turtle2hug 1 year ago
Regarding the point near the end, it made me realize how I'm essentially socially liberal and far-left, but economically right-wing. I'm essentially a libertarian economically. only somewhat socially, but overall I would be the modern standard of a pot-smoking, pacifistic hippie on social issues.
Also one of the reasons why I like how political compass has two axis's instead of one. A social axis and an economic axis. Not really relevant to the video much, but, well, something.
TheAnonymouz 1 year ago
I rape women everyday. You're all just jealous of my raping powers.
Failcard 1 year ago
@Failcard Translation: 'Not even the palmala sisters want to touch my pathetic little cocktail weiny.'
YeOldeHeretic 1 year ago
Oh are you on the left too j-o? Any tendency?
I'd love to hear your ideas on how we will supply society with enough people for johns to jerk off into in our socialist utopia. Since poverty will be eliminated how do you propose we get people to do this socially necessary labor? I guess female empowerment?
iremythpurr 1 year ago
@iremythpurr Well, would be easy enough to let those women who still choose to do so stay in the profession...as for demand, perhaps waiting lists will solve such an issue? Perhaps in a more sex positive society women wont grow up thinking there is anything wrong with doing so (just as actors used to be stigmatized, and are now celebrities).
Of course, we could just stick our heads in the sand and pretend that you can "eliminate demand" or some other such idealistic nonsense...
BobChaos23 1 year ago
@iremythpurr Utopia.. I see you finally coming to term with your utopian ideas because that is what they are utopian.. do you think your utopian will ever eixst.. if so dream on.
Eopyk 1 year ago
@Eopyk
Its called sarcasm moron.
iremythpurr 1 year ago
@iremythpurr Ah moron nice with some ad-hominem attack...
Eopyk 1 year ago 4
@iremythpurr How ever no real reason to be so anti- sexual freedom or controll of ones own sexual actions
Eopyk 1 year ago 5
@Eopyk
You are FREE to go fuck yourself.
iremythpurr 1 year ago
@iremythpurr Thx for showing tour true colours.
Thanks just thanks.
Eopyk 1 year ago 4
@Eopyk I retract that statement. You are NOT free to go fuck yourself, nor are you free to fuck anyone else for that matter. You DON'T have the right to use me as a masturbation accessory; you DON'T have the right to masturbate, and you DON'T have the right to enjoy your own body. After all, we are not libertarians, we are COMMUNISTS!! Clear?
ChairmanNuke 1 year ago
@iremythpurr You have been trolling a lot lately, you know that?
BobChaos23 1 year ago 2
@BobChaos23 As I have told you repeatedly, I am not a troll. I am someone's conscience. The video you made showing your ♥ for me was false flagged and is now mirrored by my oojie, Mustex4.
ChairmanNuke 1 year ago
As I understand the "right wing" of feminism all men are misogynists, all intercourse is rape and pornography it the moral equivalent of rape. The ability of the human race to come up with totally insane ideas and behaviours is truly astounding.
colourmegone 1 year ago
NOTHIN BUT NET! SWOOSH!
Divinity33372 1 year ago
Kinda hard to take comments like those seriously.
She sounds like a man-hater.
onlywhenprovoked 1 year ago
SaelPalani is an anti-sex idiot. She doesn't represent me or any reasonable women. Any sex act, be it masturbation, intercourse, etc., is not degrading when we give CONSENT It's that c-word that she and her ilk are having trouble with. They want to limit our sexual freedom, which is NOT how feminism works. Personally, I'm not into that, but there are women, who are.
gir908922 1 year ago 17
@gir908922 If she wants to see what misogyny really looks like, she can take her ass to TRL.
gir908922 1 year ago
@gir908922 Damn right.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
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xy11xy 1 year ago
@gir908922
"She doesn't represent me or any reasonable women."
Wait, huh? Women are reasonable?
FistfullofSnatch 1 year ago
@FistfullofSnatch All of us, who are porn and sex-friendly are. :)
gir908922 1 year ago
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@gir908922 Ok, you spread your legs on YouTube and I'll use my best sexual organ. My brain. Quick quick!!! You're missing your spoon-fed images of porn! That's what happens when you don't have things like creativity and self-esteem. You're a boring, mass produced, follower. You're not imaginative. You need someone telling you how to enjoy yourself. You're BORING.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani Ah yes- when all else fails just insult people into agreeing with you.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 2
@jordanowen42 Yep. You pretty much got that right. If people don't agree with her, she just insults them instead of having a conversation. You can't talk reason with fem-Nazis. It's like talking reason with fundies.
gir908922 1 year ago 5
@FistfullofSnatch I'm pretty sure I know which one you are. :)
FistfulofDicks 1 year ago
@gir908922 Anti-sex? You've come up with a new one! Next time you masturbate, remember me. Make SURE I give you a bad sexual experience. Okay dum dum? You're not reasonable. You're insane if you give me that kind of power to ruin your sex life. A total stranger on the net thinks I'm limiting their sexuality. You're a lulfest.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani I could say the same thing about how you view me, Boston.
jordanowen42 1 year ago 3
@jordanowen42 Pretty much. She may be ugly on the inside, but her pretty face won't ruin my sex dreams at all. :)
gir908922 1 year ago
@gir908922 Kudos for looking past what's on the inside and focusing on her exterior beauty! :)
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@gir908922 I would say some sex acts are degrading. The woman might not realise it at the time but that doesn't mean it isn't.
MegaWinnieGirl 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl And what is your standard to determine what is objectively degrading above and beyond all personal factors?
jordanowen42 6 months ago 2
@jordanowen42 If the woman doesn't really want to do it but is coerced into it or doesn't have a say in a certain act until it's already done. That's pretty degrading.
MegaWinnieGirl 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl That's what the above comment was referring to. If she gives her consent then it isn't degrading and it isn't for third parties to go around deciding that it is on her behalf. Were you even paying attention to what the above comment said?
jordanowen42 6 months ago 2
@jordanowen42 Maybe I phrased it wrong, I was agreeing, but saying that some acts can still be degrading. Then you asked me a completely separate question about what is objectively degrading which is of course a lack of consent. Sorry I'm a bit sleepy lol maybe I misunderstood your question.
MegaWinnieGirl 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl Indeed, a lack of consent would be degrading and also rape. But within the realm of consent, an act is only as degrading as its practitioners consider it to be.
jordanowen42 6 months ago 2
@jordanowen42 Thank you. I'm glad somebody is saying this to her.
gir908922 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl What one woman considers degrading can be a fun sex act for another. Again, you cannot decide for other women what sexual acts are degrading to them. If you find something degrading, don't do it. However, if I don't find it degrading and I like it, I'm going to do it. That's for me to decide. It's completely subjective and it's all about personal perspective.
gir908922 6 months ago 2
Yeah I guess you're both right. But there are some acts that you might not necessarily give your consent to but aren't quite rape. For an example, at the end of intercourse a male pulling out and ejaculating on your face, and you don't want that. Not exactly rape lol but I would say that's a degrading act and the only way you could really outline your feelings on that would be to write up a list beforehand of every act you consent to, lol, which would be pretty impractical. Know what I mean?
MegaWinnieGirl 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl You do realize that some women do get off on bukkake, right? And you finding that degrading is your opinion. Stop trying to determine for other women what they find degrading.
gir908922 6 months ago 2
@gir908922 What I'm saying is that how far does saying the initial yes go? Chances are when you engage in intercourse you don't give the male a list of do's and do not's. I didn't say I personally find that degrading, lol, I said 'and you don't want that' is a degrading act. But if I did find it degrading but didn't expressly forbid said action taking place and did want intercourse does that mean I consented to said action, as a part and parcel kind of thing?
MegaWinnieGirl 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl Then, it's up to your partner to find out what sex acts you're willing to do and what you won't do. Nobody is expected to have a list, but you should discuss with him what you both are willing to do and what you're not willing to do.
gir908922 6 months ago
@gir908922 Yeah I know. I was asking a yes/no type of question for that hypothetical situation. But you can replace the 'bukkake' with a different act that is conducted during the heat of the moment, if you prefer.
MegaWinnieGirl 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl I know you can, but it still doesn't mean that you can say that certain sex acts you don't like are objectively degrading. That's what people like you fail to understand.
gir908922 6 months ago
@gir908922 I guess it depends on your definition of degrading really.
MegaWinnieGirl 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl No, it doesn't. Again, whether somebody finds something degrading or not is all a matter of personal opinion. It's not objective.
gir908922 6 months ago
@gir908922 Ok sweetie.
MegaWinnieGirl 6 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl u dont like face blasts? how abot after a good long assfuck, u suck/lick it clean n then i blast it in your moth. u swallow right? like all the white hos in the porn movy.
gringosmasher1 5 months ago
@gringosmasher1 I'm guessing porn movies are the closest you've ever been to a female.
MegaWinnieGirl 5 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl wrong gues. i'v fucked hundreds of white hores becausze you n I both know the white girls are the most hore-like of all women. dick sucking, ass fucking,tonge in the ass, cum swallowing. U WHITE HOS R THE ONES WHO INVENTID THESE. IN ANCENT ROME N GREECE. this is a fact.
gringosmasher1 5 months ago
@gringosmasher1 Easy there esse- she can't help that she's a narrow minded shrew.
jordanowen42 5 months ago
@jordanowen42 I'm not a narrow minded shrew at all and I'm surprised to see you basically agreeing with what he says.
MegaWinnieGirl 5 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl He may be vulgar and crude, but he's right in his disagreeing with you. You don't have the right to determine what is and is not degrading for other women.
jordanowen42 5 months ago
@jordanowen42 I'm not trying to. I was simply putting my opinion forward and waiting for other opinions to be put forth so that I could learn from them.
MegaWinnieGirl 5 months ago
@MegaWinnieGirl Whatever.
jordanowen42 5 months ago
@jordanowen42 You can clearly see where I acknowledge you guys were right. I don't see how what I said (asking questions and admitting I was wrong in some things) makes you believe I deserve the attack I got. But OK.
MegaWinnieGirl 5 months ago
@gringosmasher1 Boy oh boy you're not too bright. Put the taco down and pick up a book.
MegaWinnieGirl 5 months ago
He is using the well known logic fail that states:
''Anyone who disagrees with me is a(n) [insert word]''
TheProf1988 1 year ago
@TheProf1988 He? Who do you mean?
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 The person who called you a mysogynist. Not you, if that's what you were thinking.
What I meant was, he has started with a premise that his opinions and worldview are pro-women and concluded that anyone opposed to his opinions is neccessarily mysogynistic.
TheProf1988 1 year ago
This woman is a complete and utter ding bat.
trifelgeputinage 1 year ago
Anytime you hear a woman call a mature 30+ man a perv for dating a much younger woman.. say "what gives you the right to degrade men? Agism is wrong. What gives millions of women a right to be ageists? Since agism isnt sexism.... its ok then?". Anytime you hear a racist white woman who is anti white male with asian wife say something like "you date asian women because they are weak".. say "what gives you a right to degrade asian women and say they look like boys?"
REALCougarsRmales 1 year ago
@REALCougarsRmales Thank you! As I often date women younger than me ;-)
Vogter2100 1 year ago
" Trading patriarchy for matriarchy isn't going to make anyone more free " Nice one Jordan. By describing herself as ' The Matriarch ' she is really just shifting the power and control from patriarchy over, and deciding on what ' rules ' women should live by. She doesn't speak for ALL WOMEN, and it's high time people like her learned that.
musicgeniusno1 1 year ago 2
the word *sexist* is only targeted at males, never women. Its a sexist word.
REALCougarsRmales 1 year ago
@REALCougarsRmales Irony!
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@REALCougarsRmales I've seen more women, who were sexist as those TRL idiots. XD I had to explain to another woman on Facebook that sexism is discrimination based on gender and that both genders can experience it.
gir908922 1 year ago
@REALCougarsRmales lollll. true that.
onlywhenprovoked 1 year ago
I cant tell you how many times I've /headdesked to this woman's hateful silliness. One a positive note, she likes Dave Mustaine.
xxxild 1 year ago
@xxxild Hmmmm... Dave Mustaine. Wild.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
@jordanowen42 dreamy...yeah... o.0
xxxild 1 year ago
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Anytime you hear a woman call a mature 30+ man a perv for dating a much younger woman.. say "what gives you the right to degrade men? Agism is wrong. What gives millions of women a right to be ageists? Since agism isnt sexism.... its ok?". Anytime you hear a racist white woman who is anti white male with asian wife say something like "you date asian women because they are weak".. say "what gives you a right to degrade asian women and say they look like boys? "
REALCougarsRmales 1 year ago
you are a total mysogenist!!! and you know i'm an evil patriarchy agent going to male to female transition only to inflitrate the feminists...
yeah... ain't we evil???
-.-U
BaronesaReturns 1 year ago
@BaronesaReturns Not only are we evil, we're a hell of a lot more fun!
jordanowen42 1 year ago
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REALCougarsRmales 1 year ago
She is desperately unoriginal (stealing most of what she says from the likes of Dianes, even down to the phrasing), and obviously desperate to drag out the "misogynist" trope...*sigh*.
Of course, when she trolls you (not that she watched the video, it seems, or if she did she certainly didn't listen), that is perfectly fine, but watch out if you try to leave any sort of a comment on her videos!
BobChaos23 1 year ago
@BobChaos23 "Dianes"? Meant to say "Dines"...but what a freudian slap.
BobChaos23 1 year ago
I really just want to throw a dictionary at her and make her read me the definition of misogyny and explain how you fit that definition. You know I've always found you to be an extremely enlightened and tolerant person.
artemisfair 1 year ago
Accusations of racism and sexism aren't even worth responding to. These accusations are made by people who fear that others will see from them what they see in the mirror. The only people that are moved by such statements are mindless drones that aren't worth your time anyway. Intelligent people assess someone else's character for themselves.
danielinraleigh 1 year ago
@danielinraleigh You're absolutely right- I just saw it as a opprotunity to make some good points.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
The last thing we need is another goddamn group of self-appointed elites to bitch about and endure the proselytizing of. ._.
Well said.
stealthbadger 1 year ago
I wish I could do more that like, favourite and feature.
TheLaughingOut 1 year ago
Wanting to prohibit information due to what people make of it (ie: ATM and people who like it because they consider it degrading to the woman), is saying that there -is- such a thing as a thought crime. So, thinking can be bad, people, even if said thoughts remain in your head.
n3rdm4n 1 year ago
I don't know. I went with a feminist and it was emotionally traumatizing. I don't trust most of them at all. I get the feeling they are out for themselves, not for family, not for the children, and not for the solidarity and happiness of the human species. But rather whatever benefits them.
sylence7 1 year ago
@sylence7 I've long said that people like Dines have a cult mentality- you may have experienced some of that. Nothing puts someone in a better place to take advantage of people like playing the victim.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
Truer words were never spoken. DianaBoston is not fucking matriarch of mine. For all that the anti-choice fems like to talk about the more liberal fems making it 'all about us', look at what that channel title says: she cares nothing about real issues because it gets in the way of her aggrandizing herself and polishing her apples and making a great show of what a tender-hearted soul she is, when she openly slut-shames and insults other women she claims to care so much about. FUCK her. End of.
dynamiteruby 1 year ago 4
Your not a mysogenist by any means.. Seal is by all means a mysogenist
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 1 year ago
@Eopyk Thanks! :)
jordanowen42 1 year ago
I don't know why she would call you a mysogonist either, I mean does disagreeing with her make everyone who does a mysogonist? That's just silly. I like how you described that there is an authoritarian left out there, it's something I've known about for a while, and you articulated it well.
HilaciousM 1 year ago
@HilaciousM Thanks- I actually like to look at politics in terms of the Pournelle Chart which, while it was designed by Jerry Pournelle, a conservative, is actually insightful into the full spectrum of political leanings.
jordanowen42 1 year ago
If anyone is a misogynist, it's Diana. Well, along with her friends.
I definitely agree with you about how exchanging patriarchy with matriarchy would be no better or different. I see it the same with race and ethnicity. We get nowhere when we try to polarize ourselves. It's too bad too many people benefit from the polarization.
tattooskin72 1 year ago
What? She's an authoritarian? :)
ScentedNectar 1 year ago
@ScentedNectar Only when it comes to everybody but herself... =P
BobChaos23 1 year ago
"Consent is something these people seem to have a problem with" Well said.. Don't they understand that these acts are taking place between two consenting adults? I guess not. I guess they believe in government intervention to stop this behavior, I don't know what other conclusion can be made from this argument.
HilaciousM 1 year ago