bottom line, if israel wanted peace, they would have accepted 1967 borders, they would have held their promise in the cease fire, they wouldnt have broken the ceasefire. as for religions, there are extremists in all of them. and stop writing me essays please. take care. bye.
A simple question to all here says the land never belonged to the arabs. If i came to your house one day, with a shotgun in one hand, and a bible in the other, and asked you to leave because this land belonged to my ancestors 2000 years ago.. would you pack your bags?
From the 7th century until 1922 Arabs didn't want to live in the place that was called Palestine. The land was empty and the turkish sultan even issued a message to Arab countries, asking them to send people to this place in order to inhabit it. Egypt responded by sending 100,000 Arab farmers and sebtled them on the shores of the land, but 99% of the land was deserted.
@ye32 im not avoiding the question. and you are not stupid. the issue is the illegally occupied land under international law. as well as illegal blockades etc. israel have an israel but continue to occupy illegally with illegal settlements.
You have to learn more about the history of this place.
There was NEVER a Palestinian state here and there was NEVER a "palestinian nation". The whole idea of a palestinian nation is a bluff invented by Gammal Abdul Nasser - the president of Egypt.
2 He established the P.L.O. in 1964 as a political tool in his ongoing war against Israel, and appointed Ahmed Shukeiry to be its first secratery. The same Ahmed Shukeiry that that said at the U.N. assembly in 1958: "There is no creature named a palestinian nation.
3 When Yasser Arafat was asked about the nationality of the Palestinians he answered: "We see ourselves as a part of the big Arab nation and the borders of that nation is from India to the Ocean". So there is no Palestinian nationality but an Arab nationality, and the whole idea of a Palestinian land and/or a state is a bluff.
For the last 63 years the 2 state solution is offered to the "Palestinians" and has been rejected by them time after time. Why? because the conflict is not about land, nor it is about legitimate rights of the Arabs. It is about the desire of the Arabs to eliminate Israel as a sovereign Jewish state.
@ye32 hamas agreed to 1967 borders, same one recognised by the international community. palestines couldnt eliminate israel if they wanted to and israel are eliminating palestine. its less about arabs recognising israel but israel recognising plaestines right to exist. israel never defined its borders and continue to expand them against international law.
Read Hamas charter and see for yourself that it is written there that Hamas will NEVER recognize Israel's right to exist. What's more there is a quetion whether Hamas is a representative of the Palestinians, because today there are two political entities that each is claiming to represent them..
Another thing: The division of the land to Palestine (that include Jordan), Iraq... ect. was made by Winston Churchill in 1922 when he was the minister of the British colonies. If the Palestinians wanted Palestine to be their land why don't they claim the territory of Jordan?
I'm not asking that just for the sake of argument but in order to show you that the question of the land was never the issue of this conflict. It always was, and is the question whether Israel has a right to exist, and the fact is that the Arabs reject Israel's right to exist as a sovereign Jewish state.
The question whether the Palestinians could eliminate Israel or not is irelevant. It is part of their religous believe that all the Jews must be killed because they are infidells. (btw, the Christians are next to be killed or to become muslems after the Jews). So Israel is like a thorn in their eyes and they see it as a holy mission to destroy it.
@ye32 no you actually have that wrong. in islam jews and christians are not infidels they are 'people of the book', and it doesnt say anywhere they should kill jews. in contrast, zionists believe israel belongs to them because god said so. thats one of their main arguments. many jews also protest against the zionists.
On the other hand every Jew anywhere in the world says everyday in his prairs: "If I forget Jerusalem I will forget my right hand....".In the Jewish holy book the Torah it is written that God promissed this land to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacob's name was changed by the angel to Israel which is also the name of the Jews: The sons of Israe
Jews and Chritians are the people of the book ... that is correct, and that is why they are given a choice: To live according to their belief but without the right to practice their belief. They cannot build synagogues or churchs, they cannot practice their religion in public, they must pay a very high tax (The Jizziah) and so on and so forth.
What's more: Who said that the British mandate law should be recognised as a legitimate law? Britain is not the gardien of the Jews and it cannot detemine the biblical borders of the land of the Jews. Israel as a state was in this place long before the Arabs even knew that there is such a place.
@ye32 no matter what we say to eachother, we will never agree on this. and theres no need for this to turn into another skirmish like happens so much on youtube, so we must agree to disagree.. all the best, take care.
Ben Gurion: If there would be a peace between us and the Palestinians it is ok to withdraw from territories, exept from the Golan Hight and Jerusalem.
Who told the Arabs living in Israel to flee in 1948? The question of the refufees is a tool used by the Arab countries to destroy Israel. The Arab countries created that problem and they don't want to solve it now.
If you are an Arab Palestinian, let me remind you that this land was never your land. You Arabs came to the land of Israel as occupiers. The first attack by the Muslims was in 629 A.D. That was long after the Jews were the nation that had a sovereignty on this land. israel was the homeland of the Jews when your ancestors were living in the desert.
Im not Palestinian neither Arab but, as the whole world, I dont agree with the Israeli policies to steal Palestinians land . Actually zionists arent even jews. They are ashkenazi, europeans that choosed the judaism but dont have jewish blood. So they have rights of NOTHING.
1. The ones that stole lands were: The romans, the perssians, the crusaders and the arabs in that order.
Jews by this name today or Israelites and Hebrews by these names 3,000 years ago, were the people that had sovereignty on this land, long before there were Arabs and Palestinians.
2. Judaism is a religion and a nationality and the nationality of a Jew is the land of Israel. A Jew is not defined only by his blood but also by his faith.
@ye32 you said "had" which is past tense, and implies that you no longer have it. if what you have said is correct, then the ones that stole the land were: The romans, the persians, the crusaders, the arabs and finally the zionists.
Love. I am studying Hebrew with Hebrew 4 Christians, a free site. I am new at it. It has sound and you can learn at your own pace. It is really great. You can start as simple as the alphabet and go through the Torah, it has a glossary and much more. I like the daily site blog. It tells of the upcoming Jewish holidays and Shabbat. I hope you will look into it. Shalom!
bottom line, if israel wanted peace, they would have accepted 1967 borders, they would have held their promise in the cease fire, they wouldnt have broken the ceasefire. as for religions, there are extremists in all of them. and stop writing me essays please. take care. bye.
supasye 1 year ago
A simple question to all here says the land never belonged to the arabs. If i came to your house one day, with a shotgun in one hand, and a bible in the other, and asked you to leave because this land belonged to my ancestors 2000 years ago.. would you pack your bags?
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
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From the 7th century until 1922 Arabs didn't want to live in the place that was called Palestine. The land was empty and the turkish sultan even issued a message to Arab countries, asking them to send people to this place in order to inhabit it. Egypt responded by sending 100,000 Arab farmers and sebtled them on the shores of the land, but 99% of the land was deserted.
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
2 The Arabs that call themselves "Palestinians" immigrated from Arab countries during the 1930's. They came here in order to find a job.
So Palestine was NEVER a homeland of Arabs. It was occupied by Arabs that didn't even want to sebtle there.
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye occupied legally none the less.
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
What is a "legal" occupation and what is illeagal occupation?
When Arabs occupy a land it is leagal and when Jews occupy land its illeagal??
ye32 1 year ago
@ye32 no you dont need me to tell you all you have to do is look at international law.
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
Don't avoid the question!
You said "occupied legally none the less"
Now answer the question: What is "legal occupation" and what is "illegal occupation"?
ye32 1 year ago
@ye32 im not avoiding the question. and you are not stupid. the issue is the illegally occupied land under international law. as well as illegal blockades etc. israel have an israel but continue to occupy illegally with illegal settlements.
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
1
You have to learn more about the history of this place.
There was NEVER a Palestinian state here and there was NEVER a "palestinian nation". The whole idea of a palestinian nation is a bluff invented by Gammal Abdul Nasser - the president of Egypt.
ye32 1 year ago
2 He established the P.L.O. in 1964 as a political tool in his ongoing war against Israel, and appointed Ahmed Shukeiry to be its first secratery. The same Ahmed Shukeiry that that said at the U.N. assembly in 1958: "There is no creature named a palestinian nation.
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
3 When Yasser Arafat was asked about the nationality of the Palestinians he answered: "We see ourselves as a part of the big Arab nation and the borders of that nation is from India to the Ocean". So there is no Palestinian nationality but an Arab nationality, and the whole idea of a Palestinian land and/or a state is a bluff.
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
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For the last 63 years the 2 state solution is offered to the "Palestinians" and has been rejected by them time after time. Why? because the conflict is not about land, nor it is about legitimate rights of the Arabs. It is about the desire of the Arabs to eliminate Israel as a sovereign Jewish state.
ye32 1 year ago
@ye32 hamas agreed to 1967 borders, same one recognised by the international community. palestines couldnt eliminate israel if they wanted to and israel are eliminating palestine. its less about arabs recognising israel but israel recognising plaestines right to exist. israel never defined its borders and continue to expand them against international law.
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
1
Read Hamas charter and see for yourself that it is written there that Hamas will NEVER recognize Israel's right to exist. What's more there is a quetion whether Hamas is a representative of the Palestinians, because today there are two political entities that each is claiming to represent them..
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
2
Another thing: The division of the land to Palestine (that include Jordan), Iraq... ect. was made by Winston Churchill in 1922 when he was the minister of the British colonies. If the Palestinians wanted Palestine to be their land why don't they claim the territory of Jordan?
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
3
I'm not asking that just for the sake of argument but in order to show you that the question of the land was never the issue of this conflict. It always was, and is the question whether Israel has a right to exist, and the fact is that the Arabs reject Israel's right to exist as a sovereign Jewish state.
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
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The question whether the Palestinians could eliminate Israel or not is irelevant. It is part of their religous believe that all the Jews must be killed because they are infidells. (btw, the Christians are next to be killed or to become muslems after the Jews). So Israel is like a thorn in their eyes and they see it as a holy mission to destroy it.
ye32 1 year ago
@ye32 no you actually have that wrong. in islam jews and christians are not infidels they are 'people of the book', and it doesnt say anywhere they should kill jews. in contrast, zionists believe israel belongs to them because god said so. thats one of their main arguments. many jews also protest against the zionists.
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
1
I see you know nothing about Islam and Judaism.
It is written in the Qur'an the the Jews are pigs and apes and they should be the first to be killed if they don't convert to Islam.
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
2
On the other hand every Jew anywhere in the world says everyday in his prairs: "If I forget Jerusalem I will forget my right hand....".In the Jewish holy book the Torah it is written that God promissed this land to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacob's name was changed by the angel to Israel which is also the name of the Jews: The sons of Israe
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
Jews and Chritians are the people of the book ... that is correct, and that is why they are given a choice: To live according to their belief but without the right to practice their belief. They cannot build synagogues or churchs, they cannot practice their religion in public, they must pay a very high tax (The Jizziah) and so on and so forth.
They are also called Dimmies which means slaves.
The other choice is to convert to Islam... LOL
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
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What's more: Who said that the British mandate law should be recognised as a legitimate law? Britain is not the gardien of the Jews and it cannot detemine the biblical borders of the land of the Jews. Israel as a state was in this place long before the Arabs even knew that there is such a place.
ye32 1 year ago
@supasye
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Judaism is a religion and a nationality at the same time, and the nationality and the homeland of the Jews is Israel for the last 3,500 years.
So what kind of an "international law" is it to forget this historical fact?
ye32 1 year ago
@ye32 no matter what we say to eachother, we will never agree on this. and theres no need for this to turn into another skirmish like happens so much on youtube, so we must agree to disagree.. all the best, take care.
supasye 1 year ago
so thats what an evil shit looks like and a murderer too ZIONIST ISRAEL ARE NOT JEWS THAT IS A LIE TO MANIPULATE AND STEAL LAND
ZEITGEISTism 2 years ago
English translation!
sunshineandwerewolf 2 years ago
Translation:
Ben Gurion: If there would be a peace between us and the Palestinians it is ok to withdraw from territories, exept from the Golan Hight and Jerusalem.
Who told the Arabs living in Israel to flee in 1948? The question of the refufees is a tool used by the Arab countries to destroy Israel. The Arab countries created that problem and they don't want to solve it now.
ye32 2 years ago
Ben Gurion: There are two alternatives: peace, or the destruction of Israel. The Arabs cannot destroy Israel (though they chosed only that option).
Do you want us to accept the destruction of Israel? I do not accept that!!
When there will be peace the Palestinians would live in their countries (the arab countries)
Are we as other people? (nations) I don't think we are better than others. The answer to the question who is right is: THIS IS OUR LAND!!
ye32 2 years ago
THIS IS OUR STOLEN LAND U MEAN?
pcavutto 2 years ago
Who are you representing pcavutto?
If you are an Arab Palestinian, let me remind you that this land was never your land. You Arabs came to the land of Israel as occupiers. The first attack by the Muslims was in 629 A.D. That was long after the Jews were the nation that had a sovereignty on this land. israel was the homeland of the Jews when your ancestors were living in the desert.
ye32 2 years ago
Im not Palestinian neither Arab but, as the whole world, I dont agree with the Israeli policies to steal Palestinians land . Actually zionists arent even jews. They are ashkenazi, europeans that choosed the judaism but dont have jewish blood. So they have rights of NOTHING.
pcavutto 2 years ago
1. The ones that stole lands were: The romans, the perssians, the crusaders and the arabs in that order.
Jews by this name today or Israelites and Hebrews by these names 3,000 years ago, were the people that had sovereignty on this land, long before there were Arabs and Palestinians.
2. Judaism is a religion and a nationality and the nationality of a Jew is the land of Israel. A Jew is not defined only by his blood but also by his faith.
ye32 2 years ago 3
@ye32 you said "had" which is past tense, and implies that you no longer have it. if what you have said is correct, then the ones that stole the land were: The romans, the persians, the crusaders, the arabs and finally the zionists.
supasye 1 year ago
he says that when he worked in a kibbutz in the Golan heights, he saw the Arabs, and he knew that they wanted to attack him.
Ldb29corn 2 years ago
shut the fuck up!!
mika351 2 years ago
no, fuck israel, Palestine ftw
AbdodoxD 2 years ago 3
English please!
pozuzen 3 years ago
David Ben Gurion is my hero. I sure wish you would transliterate his words in English.
God Bless Israel wih His might and power.
Ahavah
reginaDexant 3 years ago
whats ahavah? what does it mean?
DeathNeff 2 years ago
Love. I am studying Hebrew with Hebrew 4 Christians, a free site. I am new at it. It has sound and you can learn at your own pace. It is really great. You can start as simple as the alphabet and go through the Torah, it has a glossary and much more. I like the daily site blog. It tells of the upcoming Jewish holidays and Shabbat. I hope you will look into it. Shalom!
reginaDexant 2 years ago
Thats the translatio: Disgusting thief killer.
pcavutto 2 years ago