Did you hear what the animals chanted? "Four legs good, two legs better!" wow, despite this movies' terrible ending when compared to the book, this scene was very well done.
@777greggy1777 The end was done to reflect real-world history, as it was made after the Soviet Union collapsed. It makes sense, and the part were the pigs are indistinguishable from the humans is kept in from the original book--it's just expanded on for the real world.
@harrietamidala1691 yeah, i understand why they did what they did, but Orwell wrote the book to convey the hope and then unsettling ending. I wish that for once a movie could stay accurate to the origional novel (or concept). Don't get me wrong, the movie was good.
@Metalhead15712 That last sentence is funny. I actually did see this in high school, freshman year, as an allegory for the Russian Revolution and subsequent Communist rule in the Soviet Union.
@doobiesmoke15 the reason is that it is a metaphor of it...the animals are in reality real people..this novel is based on true historical events...the only thing is that instead of using humans on it the author use animals to represent the idea of propaganda in that country
This part of the movie was and is terrifying to me. The whole idea behind "Animalism" was based off the exact opposite of what is going on in this scene. I do know that George Orwell believed that socialism had a chance in the hands of the right people or in the actual socieity itself. I myself find that Orwell did an amazing job of expressing that in the book and the scene came out frighteningly well in the movie.
Eh, all you communists and capitalists just want to fuck the world over in your own special ways. I'll stick to anarchism, thank you very much. Viva Kropotkin!!!!
@NYanarchy08 I'm curious...what kind of anarchism?
Anarch-communism: State and private property abolished right away. But...without State, how can you make sure private property is abolished at all? Expectations is that only small groups of people sharing same convictions lives in communities, fighting other groups. A real mess.
Anarch-capitalism: This one should work. People living free doing whatever they want without harming others.
@SturmFuhrerx I'm an anarcho-communist, but I do try to be less idealistic about it than some. I realize that it won't be easy and I think it could only work if anarchism was more popular than it is now, to keep some people from gaining power without having to resort to an organized state, but I think in the long run it would be worth it. No offense, but I think capitalism (anarcho or otherwise) is a scam. An upper class can be just as dangerous as a government.
If you want to keep "some people" from gaining power, you're already acting like a State, unorganized, but using coercion same way.
Besides, where's the "scam" if 2 people are negociating freely for their best interests?
I say again: you can't make sure there won't be any private property, unless everyone gives them away by free will. If you have to use coercion to achieve this, then it won't be "anarch", just plain communism, as always happen.
So everonye, stop talking silly things about Animal Farm. Orwell, who was a socialist person, really believed and fought for it in the Spanish civil war. It is not about dictatorship or democracy, it is about having talented leaders or not.He also disappointed in many socialist people. If Snowboll had taken the leadership, everything would have been brighter in Animal Farm. Today's dogmas changed the message of this book, and people are repeating these dogmas here as well. The same like 1984...?
"My recent novel [Nineteen Eighty-Four] is NOT intended as an attack on Socialism or on the British Labour Party (of which I am a supporter), but as a show-up of the perversions . . . which have already been partly realized in Communism and Fascism. . . . The scene of the book is laid in Britain in order to emphasize that the English-speaking races are not innately better than anyone else, and that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph anywhere
@FTJproductions This is what it's all about. Orwell's novels are TIMELESS! We cannot restrict them to a concrete people or regimes. 1984 was also laid in Great-Britain, not in Germany or USSR.
@17Ararat , I totally agree with you.I haven't read the book but only from watching the movie I got the same feeling.Orwell is not doing a promotion of his own political thesis, neither does he photograph a specific regime.I think it is much more than this.Mostly it is about the mechanism and tactics used by leaders throughout history in order to use people's thirst for justice for their own purposes.Dictatorship-especially now-has many faces
@ioandes I knowwhat you mean. I see the film as Orwell trying to show the humans how similar we are to animals, and that we can be just as barbaric as them. And it also raises the question: if the animals become humans, then what do the humans become? In my opinion: animals.
@ioandes Orwell was a regretful, deluded socialist. But of course, that doesn't mean he was a capitalist enthusiast. I think Benjamin, the Donkey, reflect Orwell's views.
But this book is a warning to the dangers of the "Socialist Dream", and is especially a photo of Russian Revolution. The dates (October), the analogy of Napoleon and Snowball as Stalin and Trotsky, leaves no doubt.
'Tis not "about the mechanism and tatics used" by ALL leaders. 'Tis ONLY about the ones SOCIALIST LEADERS used.
@SturmFuhrerx ,I understand what u say but for him to be deluded and regretful would mean that he just realized that tactics used by regimes he despised were finally used by political streams he felt strongly for.Like I said, dictatorship has many faces.In modern society and western countries, propaganda takes the prize.In the end, the root for all these is the thirst for power and control.Genuine interest in common good is really difficult to find in any political system
@ioandes Not in Libertarianism. First because libertarians do not think of the "common good"; we believe in the free interaction between individuals, doing whatever they want, as long as they don't harm others. We believe people should be free to make their own choices, and take responsability for the consequences of their actions.
And what makes us far different from any other line of thought is: we DON'T believe we know what's best for other people.
@Ringlord3434 Of course. 'Tis not Communism's fault. After all, Stalin, Mao and all other communists dictators surely read and were inspired by Ludwig von Mises works, not Karl Marx ones, right?
ALWAYS Stalin, always Mao Tse, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, etc and etc...
There'll ALWAYS be someone to blame and ALWAYS the same fucking excuse to start it all over AGAIN.
@GenialerTyp My nickname means "Stormleader" in german. It's also some equivalent for "colonel", but 'twas not what I had in mind when I adopted it. I'm not nazi, commie or any leftist ideology with homosseuxal tendences for leader culting.
Barking lies against me won't work against serious people. You're wasting your time, since you don't need to argue to convince commies retards. But if you want a serious debate, try arguing instead.
@SturmFuhrerx oh dude. yes sturmführer means something like colonel... IN THE SS. and thanks to your typical right and close mined arguments ala "commie or any leftist ideology with homosseuxal tendences for leader culting." and so, i will stick to my first impression. argumenting with you would be sure much fun, but you know, my time is to precious than to waste it on random nazis on the internet.
oh by the way if you dont get it: i just quoted yourself, so who is barking ;)
Have you saw me defending the extermination of jews? Or the "arian supremacy"? Or simply an omnipresent State with a strong leader using weird mustache? Or any bullshit like this?
No. So you can't say I'm a stupid nazi. The nickname doesn't proves anything. For all I remember, I tryed something like "Sturmkrieger" but 'twas already in use.
If you have precious little time, then stop barking senseless accusations and do something useful.
@BabelOn4infinity I am pretty sure you meant kill Stalin, stalinsm and its succesors were the ones who murdered all those people, do you really think Marx would be proud of the DPRK or China if he came to our time?
Communism is a streamline to Autocracy and Regimes. No one has yet to find one successful communist experiment WITHOUT disgustingly violating human rights.
Idealism is fine, but when it comes to reality it is far from perfect,
Comunism was spouse to be an idealistic idea, to make a society where everyone are equal, where there is no economic dispair
but when the leaders made their way, by stilling and killing, by executing everyone who stood in the way, and later by taking away liberty and justice, and making a society where the strong rule, and the weak are crashed
people realized its just another crapy mambo jambo!
@allwittynamestaken you are aware the author was a communist, right? Just shows the treason of the Trotskyists when their antistalinist propaganda intensified people's belief in capitalism...
@fdragon010 It really would have but, I think the reason that the didn't was that, like the book, it would end on a sort of cliffhanger. I'm sure the writers were eager to show the fall of Napoleon.
@molemanninethousand It's been a matter of debate on who exactly represents Lenin in Animal Farm, but it's likely composite character, either Snowball (Lenin/Trotsky) or Old Major (Marx/Lenin). Most likely the latter, as Old Major's head was displayed in the farm like Lenin's remains were in Russia.
@CarltonBanks4Prez many ppl think old major was lenin and markz, becuz with marks he thought of it, and he died b4 he could see it, like markz, while lenin died b4 it really took off and then they6 displayed old majors body like lenin
and whats funny, in Comunism there were classes, 1st class, the beloved leaders, 2nd class the doctors and the cientists and militarists, 3d class the botom of the society
high classes had high privalages, due to their status, and a low class never had a chance to become higher class.
@jaguar4u2 Have you ever been to a (ex-) communist country or are you just copying what you found in your fake History books, that were written by "democratic" droids? Today most ex-communist countries are more oligarchic than they have ever been. Democracy is a utopia. Orwell was also socialist, who disappointed that communists, who were fighting in the Spanish civil war against fascists, did not recieve any help from Stalin, while Hitler supprted the Spanish fascist army. Learn History, idiot.
@jaguar4u2 You were writing silly things without knowing anything about ex-socialist countries. I live in an ex-socialist country. That regime had many mistakes. Many. But you wrote was totally not true. You only write what you have heard. But you know nothing. The same like in 1984. You are a brainwashed person.
@jaguar4u2 That's what you are. If somebody does not agree with you, you cannot argue. That's how you were blaming communism (to be a democrat, you should at least learn how to debate)? Until you know nothing, only blaming others without knowledge and argument, you are no better than Stalin or Napoleon in Animal Farm. And you still do not know anything about socialist countries...
@reveriehill1614 It's a reference to the Lenin Mausoleum in Russia. And yes, the mere fact that the skull of Old Major was placed right next to Napoleon shows how the original vision of the revolution was twisted to serve Napoleon's regime. It's supposed to be disturbing in hindsight.
And this is easily the most delicious segment of this movie adaption. Four legs good, two legs better (panning out with Captain Picard's echo in the background, lol)
Yes, Orwell was a Trotskyist, just like me. The closest facsimile we have in America is the Socialist Party USA, which is a promising (but microscopic) party.
If Orwell was a true communist then he was pretty dumb for writing this book. More government = more problems and eventually a dude like stalin comes along and corrupts it to suit his own agenda/greed/selfishness.
@Hydra773 Dumb? No, he was actually pretty smart.Not to mention brave. He took what Stalin was doing to the USSR and turned it into a story that was easy for people to understand, helping the TRUE communists avoid falling for Stalinist propaganda. Stalinism and communism are not the same thing, Marx would have hated what that bastard did in his name.
This is the direction out country is heading towards. And We will end up the same way Russia, Cuba, Germany, and China did unless we wake up and take a stand. Their is no veil of pretty language that can cover up what communism is. It is death.
@RapidCityJM yea sure, we should aspire to be like China. Oh by the way, did you know that the communism leader Mao Zedong killed, or really starved, his own people to death? He is known for INTENTIONALLY killing the most people in the 20th century. Sorry, but I don't think we should become like China in its communist stage.
@righteouswolf1 First of all, I didn't say Mao, I said CHINA. Second, if you really knew ANYTHING about what your talking about you would know China isn't communist, it's a one-party militariate and a CAPITALIST society. (That's why everything says Made in China=Trade) Anyone, who actually knows what they're talking about, knows that communism fell before Stalin because it doesn't work. Don't confuse the absence of freedom and despicable human rights' violations with communism.
@RapidCityJM Let me put it to you this way, because I know you're not going to understand: Communism is a govn't controlled economy, a bureaucrat sets the price of bread instead of the market deciding how much it costs. Problem is inorder to do that correctly the bureaucrat needs to predict what people are going to want to buy next year. Nobody can do that correctly 100% of the time.
@RapidCityJM Let me put it to you this way, because I know you're not going to understand: Communism is a govn't controlled economy, a bureaucrat sets the price of bread instead of the market deciding how much it costs. Problem is inorder to do that correctly the bureaucrat needs to predict what people are going to want to buy next year. Nobody can do that correctly 100% of the time.
@RapidCityJM Under communism, you would go to your job, earn money, buy things, and pay the price that the govn't decided you would pay for those things. Anybody see the problem with this? The system almost begs to be abused by the govn't, and if the govn't decides what you buy, because they control how much things are, how long before they're deciding other things for you?
@RapidCityJM oh, sorry, I didn't realize that. I knew China was communist but is no longer that way. Sorry about the confusion. I implore your forgiveness.
This movie is a tale of Russia's rise and fall in communism, along with the horrors.
You have most of it correct except the chickens and Squealer. The chickens weren't anything big in particular, they were just animals. Jews could be more closely related to Snowball, who is treated as a scapegoat.
Squealer was simply propaganda in general
Also, the farms represented Germany and England, (Hitler and Churchhill)
Squealer actually represents the newspaper Pravda, a Russian newspaper that printed only good news about Stalin and the Party during the time of the Soviet Union.
well more a Libertarian Socialist, he sort of flerted with Trotskyism, I think there are elements of Trotskyism in Animal Farm. While Goldstein in 1984, is almost certainly based on Trosky. Orwell also did flert with anarcho-syndycalism too.
Actually I'm afraid you're only half right. Orwell was a self-confessed socialist. During the Great Terror he took the side of Trotsky against Stalin, as many socialists in Europe did. You're right in that he was a liberal and he believed in democracy, but he was not opposed to socialism or communism. At the time he just feverishly opposed Stalin. If you can try and get a copy of his personal essays, they give a huge insight to the man himself.
Actually I'm afraid you're only half right. Orwell was a self-confessed socialist. During the Great Terror he took the side of Trotsky against Stalin, as many socialists in Europe did. You're right in that he was a liberal and he believed in democracy, but he was not opposed to socialism or communism. At the time he just feverishly opposed Stalin. If you can try and get a copy of his personal essays, they give a huge insight to the man himself.
Actually I'm afraid you're only half right. Orwell was a self-confessed socialist. During the Great Terror he took the side of Trotsky against Stalin, as many socialists in Europe did. You're right in that he was a liberal and he believed in democracy, but he was not opposed to socialism or communism. At the time he just feverishly opposed Stalin. If you can try and get a copy of his personal essays, they give a huge insight to the man himself.
A very good book/movie. It can teach you a lot about communism and what happens when governments attempt to create "Equality." Just keep your eyes open and don't let any of these steps happen in America. Some Of them have already happened, just don't let it get to a point of no return.
Power Corrupts, Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.
@Lisbon1906 im afraid you're wrong. orwell was a socialist but did have reservations about the successful outcome of any revolution. he remained uncertain about whether revolution was bound to end the same way that the one in animal farm had done - betrayed by its leaders. sorry mate ;)
@Lisbon1906 Orwell was NOT a communist! You should read 1984; that is a stark warning against communism and what happens to every revolution: There are always people ready to hijack the revolution and use it to its own ends. But the idea of communism as put forth by Marx has never been fully implemented anywhere
@neil73 Actually, 1984 was a warning against totalitarianism in general. You need to read Homage to Catalonia, also by Orwell, which tells of his service with a communist militia in the Spanish Civil War. Orwell's socialist beliefs are a well-known fact, and Animal Farm's message was against Stalin, not Marx.
@neil73 Orwell WAS a communist. But it does not mean he agreed with most of their leaders. Nineteen Eighty-Four also has its own message for today, and until you are just copying what you have heard in media and do not have own thoughts and let you brain washed, there is no difference between you and people in Nineteen Eighty-Four. That novel has a very strong topical message for today, for our lives. Just think about it...
@Lisbon1906 Haha no, Orwell was not a Communist of any kind he was a Democratic Socialist, he was actually very critical of Trotsky throughout his life.
the guy joined the POUM Partido Operário de Unificação Marxista from Spain, he wrote to Cyril Connolly from Barcelona on 8 June 1937: "I have seen wonderful things and at last really believe in Socialism, which I never did before" and the fact that he fancied the anarcho-syndicalist communities.
@Lisbon1906 Sigh, he joined the P.O.U.M because the Independent Labour Party (not communist) sent recruits to the P.O.Um.M and the CPGB that recruited for the Pro- USSR Spanish Communist party turned him away. He joined to fight Fascism that was all. He also spoke favourably of the Anarchist CNT Union while in Barcelona. He was no Communist he believed in Socialism thats it. he was critical of both Lenin and Trotsky but most of all of Stalin.
@HeoCon811 He wasn't a Communist. In Why I Write he stated that "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it". It was highly critical of all the Communist leaders for there autocratic tendencies.
@Lisbon1906 Lisbon is very correct. Actually Stalinism and Trotskyism are as different as a black night and a bright day. Nowadays, most democratic socialists (points to self) maintain that Orwell wasn't a communist, since his socialist tendencies were benevolent and from the heart (which he proves in his writings incl. this one).
exactly they are different however trotskysm is also communist movement, but an alternative one.
communism is benevolent. to me what what i read about communism is equivalent of saying in 1789 that the Republic is a evil form of government and the head cutting French revolution is the prove of that.
communism is a society without classes, without poverty, without government and socialism is the way to achieve it.
lmao so what if he is british? he fought on the side of the socialists in Spain and was member of a marxist party.
being a communist or a socialist doesnt mean u are a stalinist the same way there are many forms of republics or monarchies there also are many forms of socialism
Trotsky, Lenin and Marx had the same ideals. Orwell was a Marx/Lenin/Trotskyist.
All three leaders belived in a semi authoritian/ totaltarian state... temporarily. Stalin just never gave up his power. that is where communism took a nose dive
@Ringlord3434 Another Trotskyist/Leninist saying "No, only Stalin was bad!" Bullshit. Trotsky and Lenin also murdered millions and raped their country thoroughly.
did u know that Trotsky wrote a doccument called "Stalin is Too Rude", and "Stalin's Falsification of History", Both of which bash Stalin and his ideals, that he is disloyal to the Bolshevik Revolution. Trotsky/ Lenin were following closely to Marx. In the Comm. Manifesto, Marx said there HAD to be a period of government oppresssion to sabalize the society before the peopel took over. Stalin never gave it up. Would Trotsky have done so? we dont know
@Ringlord3434 Pah, propaganda. Communism said that there needs to be a "dictatorship of the proletariat". The difference between Stalin and Lenin/Trotsky was that the former was a paranoid self-centered powermonger, but he ended up following Lenin's ideals nonetheless by strengthening Communism first in the USSR and then spreading it to other countries by invasion. The goal was a global USSR, just like Trotsky imagined.
This along with The Dark Knight are my favorite movies of all time.
TheTrueSaberMaster 3 days ago
God it's like they don't even know what they're saying. Just brainwashed..
flobadob222 3 days ago
Jessie ( the dog ) is the best character in all of Animal Farm.
TheTrueSaberMaster 2 weeks ago
This is a epic movie.
TheTrueSaberMaster 2 weeks ago
Did you hear what the animals chanted? "Four legs good, two legs better!" wow, despite this movies' terrible ending when compared to the book, this scene was very well done.
777greggy1777 1 month ago
@777greggy1777 The end was done to reflect real-world history, as it was made after the Soviet Union collapsed. It makes sense, and the part were the pigs are indistinguishable from the humans is kept in from the original book--it's just expanded on for the real world.
harrietamidala1691 1 month ago
@harrietamidala1691 yeah, i understand why they did what they did, but Orwell wrote the book to convey the hope and then unsettling ending. I wish that for once a movie could stay accurate to the origional novel (or concept). Don't get me wrong, the movie was good.
777greggy1777 1 month ago
I just remembered something funny!
Patrick Stewart does Napoleon's voice. Napoleon is an allegory of Joseph Stalin. In the series "Fall of Eagles," he played Vladimir Lenin.
GhostPlanetFilms 1 month ago
Fuck Communism
spongebo13 2 months ago
Triumph Of The Will---with animals.
snarkus63 2 months ago
this is a very underated movie and it should be shown in schools.
*Knock knock*
oh boy my triple bacon sauge sandwich is here
Metalhead15712 2 months ago
@Metalhead15712 Haha i just saw this in school..
SuperNitroKids 2 months ago
@Metalhead15712 That last sentence is funny. I actually did see this in high school, freshman year, as an allegory for the Russian Revolution and subsequent Communist rule in the Soviet Union.
harrietamidala1691 1 month ago
How could a pig dress himself in those clothes? He hasn't got hands with fingers only hooves!
doobiesmoke15 3 months ago
@doobiesmoke15 the reason is that it is a metaphor of it...the animals are in reality real people..this novel is based on true historical events...the only thing is that instead of using humans on it the author use animals to represent the idea of propaganda in that country
hellolaredo 3 months ago
I like the birds..... acting as a Fighter.....LOL
BoozJames 3 months ago
This part of the movie was and is terrifying to me. The whole idea behind "Animalism" was based off the exact opposite of what is going on in this scene. I do know that George Orwell believed that socialism had a chance in the hands of the right people or in the actual socieity itself. I myself find that Orwell did an amazing job of expressing that in the book and the scene came out frighteningly well in the movie.
wrestlefanable 4 months ago
Why does this song gives me goosebumps? Really... Is sort of disturbing, I don't know why
AnaShadowWolf 5 months ago 6
Eh, all you communists and capitalists just want to fuck the world over in your own special ways. I'll stick to anarchism, thank you very much. Viva Kropotkin!!!!
NYanarchy08 6 months ago
@NYanarchy08 I'm curious...what kind of anarchism?
Anarch-communism: State and private property abolished right away. But...without State, how can you make sure private property is abolished at all? Expectations is that only small groups of people sharing same convictions lives in communities, fighting other groups. A real mess.
Anarch-capitalism: This one should work. People living free doing whatever they want without harming others.
I'm anarch-capitalist. And you?
SturmFuhrerx 6 months ago
@SturmFuhrerx I'm an anarcho-communist, but I do try to be less idealistic about it than some. I realize that it won't be easy and I think it could only work if anarchism was more popular than it is now, to keep some people from gaining power without having to resort to an organized state, but I think in the long run it would be worth it. No offense, but I think capitalism (anarcho or otherwise) is a scam. An upper class can be just as dangerous as a government.
NYanarchy08 6 months ago
@NYanarchy08 Government is the "upper class".
If you want to keep "some people" from gaining power, you're already acting like a State, unorganized, but using coercion same way.
Besides, where's the "scam" if 2 people are negociating freely for their best interests?
I say again: you can't make sure there won't be any private property, unless everyone gives them away by free will. If you have to use coercion to achieve this, then it won't be "anarch", just plain communism, as always happen.
SturmFuhrerx 6 months ago
Reminds me of the military demonstrations you see in dictatorships like China and North Korea
flobadob222 7 months ago
he's building walls... and he says they're free.
MrWriter95 7 months ago
i can't get over the way that duck marches in place...it's kinda freaky in a way to watch his feet...
TheDylanJoyce 8 months ago
Napolean may have been a powerful leader, but in my opinion, Snowball was the Chuck Norris of the whole farm.
quadb15 9 months ago
So everonye, stop talking silly things about Animal Farm. Orwell, who was a socialist person, really believed and fought for it in the Spanish civil war. It is not about dictatorship or democracy, it is about having talented leaders or not.He also disappointed in many socialist people. If Snowboll had taken the leadership, everything would have been brighter in Animal Farm. Today's dogmas changed the message of this book, and people are repeating these dogmas here as well. The same like 1984...?
17Ararat 10 months ago
SHOUT, SHOUT, SHOUT OUT LOUD
SNOUT, SNOUT, PINK AND PROUD
Kev95682 11 months ago
If at all possible, this anthem sounds even more powerful than the Soviet anthem.
AuburnAttack21 11 months ago 13
@AuburnAttack21 especially the ending
TheAnimaldude55 1 month ago
I dont understand why the film changes to color, can someone please explain?
matta173 11 months ago
@matta173 The film is in colour, only it was set in the past, so you are watching the song on a black and white telivision! :D
yoshi1997 8 months ago
"My recent novel [Nineteen Eighty-Four] is NOT intended as an attack on Socialism or on the British Labour Party (of which I am a supporter), but as a show-up of the perversions . . . which have already been partly realized in Communism and Fascism. . . . The scene of the book is laid in Britain in order to emphasize that the English-speaking races are not innately better than anyone else, and that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph anywhere
FTJproductions 11 months ago
@FTJproductions This is what it's all about. Orwell's novels are TIMELESS! We cannot restrict them to a concrete people or regimes. 1984 was also laid in Great-Britain, not in Germany or USSR.
17Ararat 10 months ago
@17Ararat , I totally agree with you.I haven't read the book but only from watching the movie I got the same feeling.Orwell is not doing a promotion of his own political thesis, neither does he photograph a specific regime.I think it is much more than this.Mostly it is about the mechanism and tactics used by leaders throughout history in order to use people's thirst for justice for their own purposes.Dictatorship-especially now-has many faces
ioandes 10 months ago
@ioandes I knowwhat you mean. I see the film as Orwell trying to show the humans how similar we are to animals, and that we can be just as barbaric as them. And it also raises the question: if the animals become humans, then what do the humans become? In my opinion: animals.
TheStealthX 10 months ago
@TheStealthX , exactly!That's what I meant.Only animals are not plotting for the next day to come.Sadly we may be even more barbaric than them
ioandes 8 months ago
@ioandes Orwell was a regretful, deluded socialist. But of course, that doesn't mean he was a capitalist enthusiast. I think Benjamin, the Donkey, reflect Orwell's views.
But this book is a warning to the dangers of the "Socialist Dream", and is especially a photo of Russian Revolution. The dates (October), the analogy of Napoleon and Snowball as Stalin and Trotsky, leaves no doubt.
'Tis not "about the mechanism and tatics used" by ALL leaders. 'Tis ONLY about the ones SOCIALIST LEADERS used.
SturmFuhrerx 8 months ago
@SturmFuhrerx ,I understand what u say but for him to be deluded and regretful would mean that he just realized that tactics used by regimes he despised were finally used by political streams he felt strongly for.Like I said, dictatorship has many faces.In modern society and western countries, propaganda takes the prize.In the end, the root for all these is the thirst for power and control.Genuine interest in common good is really difficult to find in any political system
ioandes 8 months ago
@ioandes Not in Libertarianism. First because libertarians do not think of the "common good"; we believe in the free interaction between individuals, doing whatever they want, as long as they don't harm others. We believe people should be free to make their own choices, and take responsability for the consequences of their actions.
And what makes us far different from any other line of thought is: we DON'T believe we know what's best for other people.
SturmFuhrerx 8 months ago
Marx was a moron. If I could go back in time and kill one person it would be Marx.
BabelOn4infinity 1 year ago
@BabelOn4infinity y not hitler
TheEDBShow 1 year ago
@TheEDBShow Marx's ideology killed more people than Hitler could have ever dreamed of killing.
BabelOn4infinity 1 year ago
@BabelOn4infinity
No, It was STalin's idealogy that killed millions
Ringlord3434 1 year ago 4
@Ringlord3434 Of course. 'Tis not Communism's fault. After all, Stalin, Mao and all other communists dictators surely read and were inspired by Ludwig von Mises works, not Karl Marx ones, right?
ALWAYS Stalin, always Mao Tse, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, etc and etc...
There'll ALWAYS be someone to blame and ALWAYS the same fucking excuse to start it all over AGAIN.
Damn commies. We had enough of your lies already.
SturmFuhrerx 8 months ago
@SturmFuhrerx cause of your name i can guess your political attitude. So:
Damn nazis. We had enough of your lies already.
GenialerTyp 6 months ago
@GenialerTyp My nickname means "Stormleader" in german. It's also some equivalent for "colonel", but 'twas not what I had in mind when I adopted it. I'm not nazi, commie or any leftist ideology with homosseuxal tendences for leader culting.
Barking lies against me won't work against serious people. You're wasting your time, since you don't need to argue to convince commies retards. But if you want a serious debate, try arguing instead.
I would gladly refute your commies fallacies ;)
SturmFuhrerx 6 months ago
@SturmFuhrerx oh dude. yes sturmführer means something like colonel... IN THE SS. and thanks to your typical right and close mined arguments ala "commie or any leftist ideology with homosseuxal tendences for leader culting." and so, i will stick to my first impression. argumenting with you would be sure much fun, but you know, my time is to precious than to waste it on random nazis on the internet.
oh by the way if you dont get it: i just quoted yourself, so who is barking ;)
GenialerTyp 6 months ago
@GenialerTyp Yeah, is that so?
Have you saw me defending the extermination of jews? Or the "arian supremacy"? Or simply an omnipresent State with a strong leader using weird mustache? Or any bullshit like this?
No. So you can't say I'm a stupid nazi. The nickname doesn't proves anything. For all I remember, I tryed something like "Sturmkrieger" but 'twas already in use.
If you have precious little time, then stop barking senseless accusations and do something useful.
SturmFuhrerx 6 months ago
Let's play a game: it's called "Find the 7 errors". After watching this video, watch this one, and find the errors...
/watch?v=R5q8iMgkg9c
I found just one so far: "Lenin, Mighty Leader" instead of "Napoleon, Mighty Leader".
And you guys, which errors did you find?
SturmFuhrerx 8 months ago
@Ringlord3434 Socialism kill milions peaple. Stalin was only executioner. When you give your freedom for your own good, you become a slave
HusarzSLAV 1 month ago
@HusarzSLAV capitalist democracy is killing alot more right now
byrneball1 4 days ago
@byrneball1 I hate democracy but where are you see the capitalism :O
In Polen all taxes where you pay is 70% of your income
FreeFighterPL 4 days ago
@BabelOn4infinity yeah but i would have saved my grandfathers family then people i dont know...just a family thing
TheEDBShow 1 year ago
@BabelOn4infinity I am pretty sure you meant kill Stalin, stalinsm and its succesors were the ones who murdered all those people, do you really think Marx would be proud of the DPRK or China if he came to our time?
fjcf123 10 months ago
Dear boy.....muahahahaha!
SpecterReflector 1 year ago
Communism is a streamline to Autocracy and Regimes. No one has yet to find one successful communist experiment WITHOUT disgustingly violating human rights.
allwittynamestaken 1 year ago
what are they saying at 1:33?
thewylion 1 year ago
@thewylion Shout, Shout, Shout it now Snout, Snout, Pink and proud
allwittynamestaken 1 year ago
Four legs good!
Two legs better!!
fucking hell thats so creepy
thewylion 1 year ago 3
i like the sound of the plane engines in the background as the geese are flying over
Ringlord3434 1 year ago
All glory to our great and glorious leader comrade Napoleon!!!
DreameverCompany 1 year ago
He renounced socialism in the book he died writing, 1984
allwittynamestaken 1 year ago
i wish that all geese sounded like soviet airplanes...
xXDingzXx 1 year ago
Idealism is fine, but when it comes to reality it is far from perfect,
Comunism was spouse to be an idealistic idea, to make a society where everyone are equal, where there is no economic dispair
but when the leaders made their way, by stilling and killing, by executing everyone who stood in the way, and later by taking away liberty and justice, and making a society where the strong rule, and the weak are crashed
people realized its just another crapy mambo jambo!
jaguar4u2 1 year ago 3
this looks more like a nazi rally
stedcrisp 1 year ago
wow, isn't the internet a DANDY way to express political beliefs.
clever you.
Scrubs4lifeNting 1 year ago
What a moving novel, this only intensifies my belief in Capitalism
allwittynamestaken 1 year ago
Comment removed
Sjoeeblom 1 year ago
Comment removed
Sjoeeblom 1 year ago
@allwittynamestaken you are aware the author was a communist, right? Just shows the treason of the Trotskyists when their antistalinist propaganda intensified people's belief in capitalism...
Sjoeeblom 1 year ago
@Sjoeeblom lol, he was a socialist, and treason? I feel like the point of this movie went over your head.
allwittynamestaken 1 year ago
Anyone else think that the movie would have been more powerful if they had just stopped right there at the end of the propaganda film?
fdragon010 1 year ago 50
@fdragon010 It really would have but, I think the reason that the didn't was that, like the book, it would end on a sort of cliffhanger. I'm sure the writers were eager to show the fall of Napoleon.
ultimatedbz2 10 months ago
@fdragon010 Yeah, that would have been SO MUCH BETTER!!!
Or if they had ended it the way the book ended, with Jessie saying 'I can't tell the difference...'
TheStealthX 10 months ago
four legs good... two legs better
Bertee510 1 year ago
napoleon the leader of retardedness
bioniclemastermandud 1 year ago
The book was awesome.
Movie helped me better understand what happened in the book, although it's not like I needed a picture, the book described it well itself.
:)
1GookSTAH 1 year ago
The only thing I liked about the movie, apart from Kelsey Grammer and SIR Patrick Stewart.
Wormtail96 1 year ago
This is probably the darkest, and coolest, part of the movie. As far as symbolism goes, I have always thought:
Napoleon = Joseph Stalin
Snowball = Leon Trotsky
Old Major = Vladamir Lenin
This may be right or wrong. I didn't study "Animal Farm" in high school. I read it on my own time because I found it interesting.
CarltonBanks4Prez 1 year ago
@CarltonBanks4Prez Old Major is Karl Marx. And of course Napoleon is Stalin!
molemanninethousand 1 year ago
@molemanninethousand It's been a matter of debate on who exactly represents Lenin in Animal Farm, but it's likely composite character, either Snowball (Lenin/Trotsky) or Old Major (Marx/Lenin). Most likely the latter, as Old Major's head was displayed in the farm like Lenin's remains were in Russia.
LiveArtsCoLtd 1 year ago
@CarltonBanks4Prez many ppl think old major was lenin and markz, becuz with marks he thought of it, and he died b4 he could see it, like markz, while lenin died b4 it really took off and then they6 displayed old majors body like lenin
flyswimmer99 1 year ago
God...this is just so scary to watch, you know? Still, I think this should be included in every history lesson around the world.
gOtHiCxAnGeLxox 1 year ago
and whats funny, in Comunism there were classes, 1st class, the beloved leaders, 2nd class the doctors and the cientists and militarists, 3d class the botom of the society
high classes had high privalages, due to their status, and a low class never had a chance to become higher class.
so whats the point?
jaguar4u2 1 year ago
@jaguar4u2 Have you ever been to a (ex-) communist country or are you just copying what you found in your fake History books, that were written by "democratic" droids? Today most ex-communist countries are more oligarchic than they have ever been. Democracy is a utopia. Orwell was also socialist, who disappointed that communists, who were fighting in the Spanish civil war against fascists, did not recieve any help from Stalin, while Hitler supprted the Spanish fascist army. Learn History, idiot.
17Ararat 10 months ago
@17Ararat
what the fu.ck it has to do with what I was talking about you moron?
you make a Huge FART
and telling me to learn history?
Go away looser
jaguar4u2 10 months ago
@jaguar4u2 You were writing silly things without knowing anything about ex-socialist countries. I live in an ex-socialist country. That regime had many mistakes. Many. But you wrote was totally not true. You only write what you have heard. But you know nothing. The same like in 1984. You are a brainwashed person.
17Ararat 10 months ago
@jaguar4u2 And yes, you should learn more about History, before you write idiot and untrue things.
17Ararat 10 months ago
@17Ararat
go get a shug
jaguar4u2 10 months ago
@jaguar4u2 That's what you are. If somebody does not agree with you, you cannot argue. That's how you were blaming communism (to be a democrat, you should at least learn how to debate)? Until you know nothing, only blaming others without knowledge and argument, you are no better than Stalin or Napoleon in Animal Farm. And you still do not know anything about socialist countries...
17Ararat 10 months ago
@17Ararat
listen Noob
Im Russian and I know better than you!
so go eat Belgium Waffles and ZIP it!
it wasnt an arguement anyway, you were just bitching like a Queen
jaguar4u2 10 months ago
This is Ironic, that Russia now is Capitalistic country ^^
yes Capitalism sucks, allways there is someone on the bottom, and someone is too rich, and the economy allways crash and there are many arguements.
but at list people can say "Goverment You Suck!", "Thats not what we want to do!", "I want more I want Better!" , without being executed.
jaguar4u2 1 year ago
Anyone else notice Old Major's head next to Napoleon? Pretty disturbing... But I do like the song though...
reveriehill1614 1 year ago
@reveriehill1614 It's a reference to the Lenin Mausoleum in Russia. And yes, the mere fact that the skull of Old Major was placed right next to Napoleon shows how the original vision of the revolution was twisted to serve Napoleon's regime. It's supposed to be disturbing in hindsight.
LiveArtsCoLtd 1 year ago
@LiveArtsCoLtd
Napoleon's regime was "twisted"? Liberating the Jews, Emancipating the Poles, giving people basic human rights is "twisted"?
Scrinoverlord 1 year ago
@LiveArtsCoLtd
Unless you mean the pigs in Animal Farm, in which case I facepalm at my own attempt to start a historical debate.
Scrinoverlord 1 year ago
@Scrinoverlord Yes, I mean Napoleon, the head honcho pig in Animal Farm. That Napoleon. It's in the video.
LiveArtsCoLtd 1 year ago
@LiveArtsCoLtd
*Facepalm*
Scrinoverlord 1 year ago
And this is easily the most delicious segment of this movie adaption. Four legs good, two legs better (panning out with Captain Picard's echo in the background, lol)
culveyhouse 1 year ago
Yes, Orwell was a Trotskyist, just like me. The closest facsimile we have in America is the Socialist Party USA, which is a promising (but microscopic) party.
culveyhouse 1 year ago
4 legs good, 2 legs better? is that what they're saying?
TheFuzzyElf 1 year ago 2
@TheFuzzyElf Yep, that's what they're saying.
1perryfan 1 year ago
I watched this when it first aired on tv. But watching it again now, it is quite horrifying. This scene gave me chills.
Victim5and5Villain 1 year ago
If Orwell was a true communist then he was pretty dumb for writing this book. More government = more problems and eventually a dude like stalin comes along and corrupts it to suit his own agenda/greed/selfishness.
Hydra773 1 year ago
@Hydra773 Dumb? No, he was actually pretty smart.Not to mention brave. He took what Stalin was doing to the USSR and turned it into a story that was easy for people to understand, helping the TRUE communists avoid falling for Stalinist propaganda. Stalinism and communism are not the same thing, Marx would have hated what that bastard did in his name.
NYanarchy08 1 year ago
XD lmao when i first saw this song in the movie, i gotta admit i laughed really hard. it was a bit freaky seeing Napoleon in clothes and on two feet
rockerchick1378 1 year ago
omg wht the hell i going to have nightmars because i saw napoleon in cloths and standing on to legs
darkmelanie1 1 year ago
The ending with Napoleon standing freaked me the hell out!
The pigs' over wet noses didn't help either...
HaloModder555 1 year ago
This is the direction out country is heading towards. And We will end up the same way Russia, Cuba, Germany, and China did unless we wake up and take a stand. Their is no veil of pretty language that can cover up what communism is. It is death.
righteouswolf1 1 year ago
@righteouswolf1 I'm sorry China? Strong, prosperous, and a superpower? Sounds like something we should be aspiring to be like.
RapidCityJM 1 year ago
@RapidCityJM yea sure, we should aspire to be like China. Oh by the way, did you know that the communism leader Mao Zedong killed, or really starved, his own people to death? He is known for INTENTIONALLY killing the most people in the 20th century. Sorry, but I don't think we should become like China in its communist stage.
righteouswolf1 1 year ago
@righteouswolf1 First of all, I didn't say Mao, I said CHINA. Second, if you really knew ANYTHING about what your talking about you would know China isn't communist, it's a one-party militariate and a CAPITALIST society. (That's why everything says Made in China=Trade) Anyone, who actually knows what they're talking about, knows that communism fell before Stalin because it doesn't work. Don't confuse the absence of freedom and despicable human rights' violations with communism.
RapidCityJM 1 year ago
@RapidCityJM Let me put it to you this way, because I know you're not going to understand: Communism is a govn't controlled economy, a bureaucrat sets the price of bread instead of the market deciding how much it costs. Problem is inorder to do that correctly the bureaucrat needs to predict what people are going to want to buy next year. Nobody can do that correctly 100% of the time.
RapidCityJM 1 year ago
@RapidCityJM Let me put it to you this way, because I know you're not going to understand: Communism is a govn't controlled economy, a bureaucrat sets the price of bread instead of the market deciding how much it costs. Problem is inorder to do that correctly the bureaucrat needs to predict what people are going to want to buy next year. Nobody can do that correctly 100% of the time.
RapidCityJM 1 year ago
@RapidCityJM Under communism, you would go to your job, earn money, buy things, and pay the price that the govn't decided you would pay for those things. Anybody see the problem with this? The system almost begs to be abused by the govn't, and if the govn't decides what you buy, because they control how much things are, how long before they're deciding other things for you?
RapidCityJM 1 year ago
@RapidCityJM oh, sorry, I didn't realize that. I knew China was communist but is no longer that way. Sorry about the confusion. I implore your forgiveness.
righteouswolf1 1 year ago
I was the only one in my class who was astounded and shocked at the end of the movie. None of them got the moral here.
GlitchmasterStudios 1 year ago
Napoleon must have risen the same way as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Zehdong.
Napoleon= Hitler and Stalin
Dogs= SS and KGB
Squealer= Herr Geobbels
Chickens= Jews
CoreyStudios2000 2 years ago
This movie is a tale of Russia's rise and fall in communism, along with the horrors.
You have most of it correct except the chickens and Squealer. The chickens weren't anything big in particular, they were just animals. Jews could be more closely related to Snowball, who is treated as a scapegoat.
Squealer was simply propaganda in general
Also, the farms represented Germany and England, (Hitler and Churchhill)
seaoats9 1 year ago
Wasn't chickens meant to be the Kulaks and Snowball Trotsky?
hamsterwaffle 1 year ago
Actually:
Napoleon=Stalin only
Dogs=Secret Police
Squealer =propaganda in general
All animals including the chickens=those who followed and suffered from communist(animalism)
righteouswolf1 1 year ago
Squealer actually represents the newspaper Pravda, a Russian newspaper that printed only good news about Stalin and the Party during the time of the Soviet Union.
Tinyosi 1 year ago
I'm fairly sure Orwell was a passionate Liberal who was intensely opposed to any form of communism. Not a Trotskyist I'm afraid Lisbon1906.
TheBustoe 2 years ago 2
@TheBustoe i love liberalism!!!
CoreyStudios2000 2 years ago
he publicly admitted that he believed in socialism, he even participated in the Spanish civil war at the side of the socialists.
he was anti Stalin way of socialism though.
Lisbon1906 1 year ago
well more a Libertarian Socialist, he sort of flerted with Trotskyism, I think there are elements of Trotskyism in Animal Farm. While Goldstein in 1984, is almost certainly based on Trosky. Orwell also did flert with anarcho-syndycalism too.
He was certainly though opposed to Stailinism
SpankingPhilosopher 1 year ago
Actually I'm afraid you're only half right. Orwell was a self-confessed socialist. During the Great Terror he took the side of Trotsky against Stalin, as many socialists in Europe did. You're right in that he was a liberal and he believed in democracy, but he was not opposed to socialism or communism. At the time he just feverishly opposed Stalin. If you can try and get a copy of his personal essays, they give a huge insight to the man himself.
xXhanniballecterJXx 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Actually I'm afraid you're only half right. Orwell was a self-confessed socialist. During the Great Terror he took the side of Trotsky against Stalin, as many socialists in Europe did. You're right in that he was a liberal and he believed in democracy, but he was not opposed to socialism or communism. At the time he just feverishly opposed Stalin. If you can try and get a copy of his personal essays, they give a huge insight to the man himself.
xXhanniballecterJXx 1 year ago
Actually I'm afraid you're only half right. Orwell was a self-confessed socialist. During the Great Terror he took the side of Trotsky against Stalin, as many socialists in Europe did. You're right in that he was a liberal and he believed in democracy, but he was not opposed to socialism or communism. At the time he just feverishly opposed Stalin. If you can try and get a copy of his personal essays, they give a huge insight to the man himself.
xXhanniballecterJXx 1 year ago
i hate it when you can hear them chanting "Four legs good, two legs BETTER"
Great film, and brilliant book!
morwenmur 2 years ago
scary
ivrhov 2 years ago 10
Can someone pm me the lyrics to this song and the song Squealer sings (Glorious Leader Napoleon)?
1perryfan 2 years ago 2
Comment removed
yrlie 2 years ago
A very good book/movie. It can teach you a lot about communism and what happens when governments attempt to create "Equality." Just keep your eyes open and don't let any of these steps happen in America. Some Of them have already happened, just don't let it get to a point of no return.
Power Corrupts, Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.
Hydra773 2 years ago
Actually the author was a communist himself, a Trotskyist to be more precise.
if you know of the divergences between Trotsky and Stalin you will get the message of book/movie
Lisbon1906 2 years ago 20
A socialist at the end, not so much Communist. He gave names of suspected Communist sympathizers to the Yard before he died.
pendorran 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906 yup
idioticinc 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906 im afraid you're wrong. orwell was a socialist but did have reservations about the successful outcome of any revolution. he remained uncertain about whether revolution was bound to end the same way that the one in animal farm had done - betrayed by its leaders. sorry mate ;)
Summerro9 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906 Orwell was NOT a communist! You should read 1984; that is a stark warning against communism and what happens to every revolution: There are always people ready to hijack the revolution and use it to its own ends. But the idea of communism as put forth by Marx has never been fully implemented anywhere
neil73 1 year ago
@neil73
Yep he was a communist,
he even was a member of Workers' Party of Marxist Unification from Spain.
and yep communism hasn't been achieved yet, and the road towards it is socialism.
Lisbon1906 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@neil73
Yep he was a communist,
he even was a member of Workers' Party of Marxist Unification from Spain.
and yep communism hasn't been achieved yet, and the road towards it is socialism.
Lisbon1906 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@neil73
Yep he was a communist,
he even was a member of Workers' Party of Marxist Unification from Spain.
and yep communism hasn't been achieved yet, and the road towards it is socialism.
Lisbon1906 1 year ago
@neil73 Actually, 1984 was a warning against totalitarianism in general. You need to read Homage to Catalonia, also by Orwell, which tells of his service with a communist militia in the Spanish Civil War. Orwell's socialist beliefs are a well-known fact, and Animal Farm's message was against Stalin, not Marx.
NYanarchy08 1 year ago
@neil73 Orwell WAS a communist. But it does not mean he agreed with most of their leaders. Nineteen Eighty-Four also has its own message for today, and until you are just copying what you have heard in media and do not have own thoughts and let you brain washed, there is no difference between you and people in Nineteen Eighty-Four. That novel has a very strong topical message for today, for our lives. Just think about it...
17Ararat 10 months ago
@17Ararat lol!
neil73 10 months ago
@Lisbon1906 Communism is bad. But Stalin made it MUCH worse.
molemanninethousand 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906 Haha no, Orwell was not a Communist of any kind he was a Democratic Socialist, he was actually very critical of Trotsky throughout his life.
CommissarRed 1 year ago
@CommissarRed
the guy joined the POUM Partido Operário de Unificação Marxista from Spain, he wrote to Cyril Connolly from Barcelona on 8 June 1937: "I have seen wonderful things and at last really believe in Socialism, which I never did before" and the fact that he fancied the anarcho-syndicalist communities.
he opposed Stalin and was a communist
Lisbon1906 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906 Sigh, he joined the P.O.U.M because the Independent Labour Party (not communist) sent recruits to the P.O.Um.M and the CPGB that recruited for the Pro- USSR Spanish Communist party turned him away. He joined to fight Fascism that was all. He also spoke favourably of the Anarchist CNT Union while in Barcelona. He was no Communist he believed in Socialism thats it. he was critical of both Lenin and Trotsky but most of all of Stalin.
CommissarRed 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906 george orwell is a communist :)? sweet, I thought he always bashed communism which is stalinism in disguise ;(
but since i learned that it is so good to know :D
HeoCon811 1 year ago
@HeoCon811 He wasn't a Communist. In Why I Write he stated that "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it". It was highly critical of all the Communist leaders for there autocratic tendencies.
CommissarRed 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906 Lisbon is very correct. Actually Stalinism and Trotskyism are as different as a black night and a bright day. Nowadays, most democratic socialists (points to self) maintain that Orwell wasn't a communist, since his socialist tendencies were benevolent and from the heart (which he proves in his writings incl. this one).
culveyhouse 1 year ago
@culveyhouse
exactly they are different however trotskysm is also communist movement, but an alternative one.
communism is benevolent. to me what what i read about communism is equivalent of saying in 1789 that the Republic is a evil form of government and the head cutting French revolution is the prove of that.
communism is a society without classes, without poverty, without government and socialism is the way to achieve it.
Lisbon1906 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906 As far as I heard he was more like a smal s socialist.
fortunatus 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906
Dude, the Author of the story is George Orwell he is British!
and has nothing to do with Comunism and Trotsky!
Trotsky by the way was banished and killed by stalin just like "Snowball" in the movie
you need to check your information
jaguar4u2 1 year ago
@jaguar4u2
lmao so what if he is british? he fought on the side of the socialists in Spain and was member of a marxist party.
being a communist or a socialist doesnt mean u are a stalinist the same way there are many forms of republics or monarchies there also are many forms of socialism
you need to read
Lisbon1906 1 year ago
@Lisbon1906
Trotsky, Lenin and Marx had the same ideals. Orwell was a Marx/Lenin/Trotskyist.
All three leaders belived in a semi authoritian/ totaltarian state... temporarily. Stalin just never gave up his power. that is where communism took a nose dive
Ringlord3434 1 year ago
@Ringlord3434 Another Trotskyist/Leninist saying "No, only Stalin was bad!" Bullshit. Trotsky and Lenin also murdered millions and raped their country thoroughly.
FFulmenTheFinnish 1 year ago
@FFulmenTheFinnish I know this.
did u know that Trotsky wrote a doccument called "Stalin is Too Rude", and "Stalin's Falsification of History", Both of which bash Stalin and his ideals, that he is disloyal to the Bolshevik Revolution. Trotsky/ Lenin were following closely to Marx. In the Comm. Manifesto, Marx said there HAD to be a period of government oppresssion to sabalize the society before the peopel took over. Stalin never gave it up. Would Trotsky have done so? we dont know
Ringlord3434 1 year ago
@Ringlord3434 Pah, propaganda. Communism said that there needs to be a "dictatorship of the proletariat". The difference between Stalin and Lenin/Trotsky was that the former was a paranoid self-centered powermonger, but he ended up following Lenin's ideals nonetheless by strengthening Communism first in the USSR and then spreading it to other countries by invasion. The goal was a global USSR, just like Trotsky imagined.
FFulmenTheFinnish 1 year ago 2
Comment removed
tdaworldProductions 1 year ago
I can´t stop hearing this stupid song
dmuelas 2 years ago 2
creepy
darkmelanie1 2 years ago 3
I think the singing duck is so funny
dobbylovergirl12 2 years ago
I love this part of the movie! Great job!
youkonbaloobuckweat 2 years ago
Sure thank you
VincentValentine666 2 years ago
what are the lyrics anyone know?
VincentValentine666 2 years ago
I know them. Want me to PM them to you?
Luke94711 2 years ago
scary isn't it
VincentValentine666 2 years ago
Humanity stand up for your freedom against any leader! The animal farm is what our own planet is being turned to! WAKE UP!
kubu79 2 years ago
Napoleon, the mighty asshole
colombiansRul3s 2 years ago 4
I have no idea what they're saying
xFoolyCoolyx 2 years ago
What's this? Some kind of a movie?
TarEldamir 2 years ago