@integralsun Adi Da has always said that was His impulse: to enlighten everybody instantly, and that if it were possible, He would have done it. But it is NOT possible. "Nature needs to provide an eight lane interstate highway to Awakening" is like saying "Nature needs to change the law of gravity" -- sorry, the laws of Nature are different from social laws. We may not like the laws of Nature, but we can't change them.
@filmco24 What Adi Da has provided is the most direct & "easiest" way of Realizing God. Does that make it "weekend enlightement"? No, because that's not possible within the laws of Nature. What we can do is communicate this Way far & wide, so more people have a chance to participate in it. Just because everyone won't be Enlightened in this lifetime doesn't mean there isn't a point to practice. I'd much rather be Enlightened 10 lifetimes from now than 1 million -- practice serves that outcome.
One contribution science provides is validation of a given methodology. For instance, how many people who have followed this teaching have reached an awaken status? What's the efficacy of this teaching. If it can't be demonstrated or attested to then why should anyone take up this practice?
@integralsun It has been demonstrated! Large numbers are not necessary. Realizing God is different from getting to the corner store. We can assess the "efficacy" of directions to the corner store because everyone can do it if they're good directions. Far fewer people will Realize God -- not because the means doesn't work, but because most people won't actually do what it requires. Very few people get physics Ph.D's -- not because the graduate schools suck, but because most people can't hack it.
Science and technology are not idiocy. I wouldn't have the benefit of his teaching right here, right now on my laptop, without technology and science, right?
That aside, the Test of Human Existence is can now transcend our egoic self. Do we recognize that is the most immediate and pressing concern and by comparison everything else is a kind of idiocy (if we turn away or ignore this understanding).
@integralsun Adi Da rightly acknowledged the usefulness and contributions of science and technology, and made use of technological advances Himself, all the time. What He criticized (strongly) was turning science into a philosophy -- scientific materialism -- in which everything other than the material is rejected or ostracized.
he says a lot of stuff with very little substance. we already know that we die. why are people comforted by the idea of constantly returning to this life. I'm hoping that God loves me enough to end the stupid suffering.
@zebb1111 Alas, your comment shows you have missed much of the point of the talk, and of Adi Da's teaching altogether. He teaches that only you can end your "stupid suffering", not some "God" in the sky. The whole point of this video clip is personal responsibility.
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort You'll never convince anyone with any intelligence of anything, if the form of your "argument" is to present them with a bunch of "paranoid connections" (in your words or your videos). Sorry!
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort OK, enough -- I'm sorry for your confusion. But your starting point -- taking everything in the Bible seriously ("2nd coming of Christ", "enemy of mankind") -- is not something I can engage further in serious conversation. They're childish myths, but you've bought them lock, stock, and barrel. If Adi Da really were "the enemy of mankind", don't you think he'd have been more widely known and influential before He died? So many holes in your viewpoint. Signing off!
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Our mind can create all kinds of "visions" or dreams, and we can interpret them in all kinds of ways. Just because you have a vision of Jesus doesn't mean Jesus exists!
That Adi Da is God is something that has been revealed to me, over and over. So I think the problem is with you're saying "If he wasn't God". . . He was. He is. That's the resolution that will truly bring you peace. It's just a childish fear that makes you hesitate: "But what is He's the devil?"
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort But why are you so fixated on Satan images, who or what might be Satan, etc? Meditate on God, and stop going around trying to find Satan in everyone and everything!
Do you understand Adi Da's principle, "You become what you meditate on"?
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort I have -- you didn't Realize God after all, you suffered a lot of confusion over that, and you turned to Christianity as a way out. It's pretty simple.
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Now you're getting ridiculous. I'm sure if I put a video camera on you 24 hours day, I could find a frame that some paranoid conspiracy theorist could say, "Why did he raise his right hand there and make that weird gesture I associate with the devil?" Really... What about the zillions of hours of footage of Adi Da where He ISN'T making this one gesture you associate with something demonic? Where He isn't talking about Satan and making a gesture you associate with the devil?
@filmco24 You had to search long and hard through all His talks to find some way to connect Him with Satan. I'd say this says more about you than Him: YOU seem to be obsessed with Satan, no?
Suggest you find a job with the National Enquirer or some other tabloid. They work by the same illogic -- take a picture of a celebrity, and add whatever caption they like below the picture.
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Doesn't offend me in the least! You CAN'T have realized the seventh stage and then go on to say you later "went to hell" and needed Jesus to save you. Sorry! In the seventh stage Realization, you Realize God -- nothing is outside of you, there are no separate places ("heaven", "hell", etc.), and you Realize Perfect, Eternal Happiness. Even if you were in "hell" it wouldn't matter. :-) But since it did for you, you didn't Realize It Obviously!
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort What I find strange is how some people fall on their knees before a book, rather than Real God. I don't take "the Bible" as my "God". :-) It says all kinds of strange and inconsistent things (that inspire a lot of the religious wars in this world), and it takes incredible discrimination to sort out the "wheat" from the "chaff" in that book!
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort You're taking His Words too literally! :-) And finding inconsistencies where there are none, because you're disregarding the context. (As Emerson said, "A foolish inconsistency is the hobgoblin of little minds".) The context of His comment about Satan was what I said: a comment about how nothing can exist apart from God. In that context, He is just using Satan as a "metaphor" -- He's not saying Satan exists!
@filmco24 He's criticizing dualistic viewpoints about Reality altogether, not just Christianity.
Many other traditions -- not just Christianity -- have a "Satan" or something equivalent in them, and he's criticizing all such dualistic viewpoints. You're losing the forest for the trees!
I've never read Him say that. But if He did, it's pretty clear why: all things are arising in the Divine Consciousness, even demonic spirits, even Hitler, even earthquakes that kill people, etc. There is nothing "outside" of the Divine. That's the seventh stage viewpoint.
Traditional Christian dogma runs into major philosophical problems by presuming there can be something apart from God. What exactly is that? How can God (as conceived by Christians) create something apart from Himself? Where is that? It implies that God is not omnipresent, not omnipotent, etc. Adi Da's all-inclusive, non-separate 7th stage viewpoint doesn't run into those philosophical problems.
The whole notion of "God as Creator" creates more problems than it solves: why would an all-good God create evil, Satan, etc.? Why would an all-powerful God not eliminate suffering? Etc. Christian theologians have always tied themselves in knots trying to answer those questions, whereas the simplest answer is: God exists, but is not the Creator of everything and not "in charge" of everything -- but God is the Source of everything.
So the whole Christian notion of Satan (or, for that matter, eternal hell) is problematic to begin with. The questions for you to ask yourself are: If such a being actually exists, why did an all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing God create such an exclusively evil being? How could an all-good, merciful God allow an eternal hell? An all-good, merciful God wouldn't match the sadistic Christian "fairy tale" that: well, God gave beings free will. So if they choose to defy Him, they should go to hell.
So the whole Christian notion of Satan (or, for that matter, eternal hell) is problematic to begin with. The questions for you to ask yourself are: If such a being actually exists, why did an all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing God create such an exclusively evil being? How could an all-good, merciful God allow an eternal hell? An all-good, merciful God wouldn't match the sadistic Christian "fairy tale" that: well, God gave beings free will, & if they choose to defy Him, they should go to hell.
A cold winter day in Huge Helper. He looks pretty outrageous. So sharp and easy in the early days. Little it did. Grow to be the lover of God. You will know what he did.
All of you arguers.... please!!!! The ego, which by the very definition you hold yourself AS, IS what you ARE, can never argue sucessfully about things egos cannot possibly know about from the standpoint of being the ego. A being self-identified as separate CANNOT fathom unity, or love, only separateness, and the absolute starvation of spirit that that self viewpoint is. You are starving, and your viewpoint is that food is poison to your intellect... the opposite is true.
Yes, words -- yours, mine, or any of the other commenters here -- are not in themselves Truth. But they can serve as bridges to Truth. That is one of the reasons why Adi Da wrote so much. It wasn't about argumentation. His words pointed to Revelation. That is also why He took human form: because the formless Divine is not locatable. "I taught you how to notice Me" He said. The Divine has always been present, but there was no way to locate Him before. Form can be used as a bridge to the Formless.
@jaymacone Exraordinary Eyes Grace the cosmos. Egos are point of view machines. As a limited point of view machine built to die "i" do everything "i" can to avoid real love moment to moment..
One need not be limited to forever feeling oneself to be a limited mortal being. One can instead commune with, and eventually Realize, the Divine Position that is perfectly happy and whose state is Infinite Love (or Unlimited Feeling).
Speaking from this viewpoint, Adi Da means something radically different by "love". It is what you are moved to do and feel when you are in communion with the Consciousness and Love-Bliss that is one's very Source. In this respect, it is a perfect "test of existence", because it is a pragmatic measure in any moment of whether you are in communion with the Source of your existence -- or not.
Both! One's Native State is Infinite Love-Bliss. To the extent one is in communion with That, one is spontaneously moved to enact love toward others. One can "enact love" without "being love" -- but it has an egoic basis, and is limited by that very fact.
It is also true that, even when one is communing with Love-Bliss, old egoic habits take a while to be dislodged. One must feed the new, right habits of loving action (based on communion with Love-Bliss), & not feed the old habits of unlove.
On one level, I agree. Much of what Western culture refers to as "love" is a romanticization, both of biological and social needs.
But Adi Da speaks not in the role of "relationship counselor" but as Spiritual Master, which brings us to the deeper presumption lurking behind your comment: the philosophy of materialism.
Materialism claims that everything can be reduced to purely material terms. Love? Just a biological response. Consciousness? A by-product of neurons firing. And so on.
But this is only one philosophical viewpoint. A different viewpoint -- Adi Da's -- is that the material universe is arising in a universal Consciousness (aka God or Reality Itself). The State of that Consciousness is Love-Bliss without center or limit. While there is no ultimate "being" other than the one Consciousness, apparent beings like ourselves derive their apparently separate "consciousness" as a stepped-down (knotted-up) version of that One Consciousness.
1. Adi Da's main point is: the test of human existence is love. Love is not even in the vocabulary of Descartes' "Meditations".
2. Adi Da's viewpoint is the opposite of the Cartesian: "cogito ergo sum" ("I think therefore I am"). It is rather, "Sum ergo cogito" ("I am, therefore I think.") His view is that the human body-mind is arising in a universal Consciousness, not the materialistic notion that "consciousness" is a byproduct of the brain.
3. First and foremost, Adi Da is a Spiritual Transmitter, not a mere source of information! His primary purpose is to enable others (like you and me) to duplicate His Spiritual Realization. Sorry to say, Descarte's book of philosophy is not capable of fulfilling that function. You're confusing apples and oranges.
my point is, this guy is wrong...there is no such thing as a Collective Unconscious, or the universal Consciousness. there is no actually, verifiable, emperical proor or data that this can be so. A vast majority of modern Psychologists say that Jung was out of his mind - that is where most of this kind of worldview comes from.
My point was this guy may claim whatever he wants, but he doesnt know what he is talking about. If you want to learn about existense, go read Descartes.
Like it or not, what is right or wrong, what is true or false, is not decided by your opinion, or by the opinion of a number of psychologists!
Both your original comment and your reply confirm that you are a staunch believer in materialism. You're entitled to believe what you want, but that doesn't make it true.
Perhaps when you are a bit older than 21, you'll be a little slower to say: "he doesn't know what he is talking about." :-) We tend to say that less, with age. (For good reason.)
But here's something to consider: until and unless you can come up with an adequate accounting for your own consciousness in materialistic terms (which modern science has failed to do), don't be so quick to dismiss non-materialistic explanations.
Until and unless you (or anyone else) can come up with scientific experiments that can tell, one way or the other, whether the "ghost" is in the machine, or the machine is in the Ghost, it remains an open question from a scientific standpoint.
there are things that are still beyond human understanding. Before proof, before verification there is an idea, a concept, a "claim". If this idea is than becomes the norm or accepted, than it becomes proof. All I'm saying is be open and listen without prejudice. Take what applies to you and leave the rest. YOU are an individual do what YOU feel is right.
I would suggest doing more listening. Can't you hear the perfect logic of this talk and the awesome humour He displays.
"And everyone dies from time to time.."
I nearly passed out laughing the first time I heard that. This 'Guy'? This GUY has perfect knowledge. Nothing is hidden from Him. It's all plain as day for Him. I love this guy so much I remain sane by His very existence. He Is what I see when I remember to Love. Adi Da, You are Love in a body.
No 'guide' I know offers greater wisdom than Adi Da.
Many have been contacted spiritually by Him without their even knowing Him. Much evidence argues against your notion that people are arbitrarily labelling Him the source of their "spiritual feeling". You confuse 2 things: everything is arising in God, and so in principle everything COULD be a Transmitter of God; but in practice, only those who are relatively (or even perfectly) egoless are sufficiently transparent to God to serve as such.
Really great musicians..artists.. will not take beginner students..learn and become good..good enough to deserve a master teacher and when you do find yourself graced with this situation..make sure to find out all their faults and make fun of their laugh and puff up your ego to think that you are indeed the teacher..you cannot teach matters of the heart with the mind..nor heal the mind with the mind..the greatest frequency for all healing..is LOVE!
No, I for one do NOT find His laughter weird at all, in fact I enjoy it thoroughly! It is so spontaneous, overflowing with life, bubbling and bursting with joy and good humour.
No -- and you've provided the core of the reason! I've been at many gatherings with Adi Da. Because Adi Da is not an ordinary man, but a Spiritual Transmitter, being in His Company is not at all an ordinary experience. It feels something like walking into a tangible Force Field, and altered state. It is very easy to get "drunk" with Bliss in His Company, and laughter comes much easier (and louder) when you're "drunk". :-)
I am guessing you mean the laughter of the people. I am guessing that being in His direct company is beyond ordinary and so people are affected deeply. I havce had the experience of listening to Adi Da speak aout something and exploding into uncontrolable laughter and then realising I am the only one laughing. His conversation is entirely with individuals and everyone acts differently.
if that is the case, i am woefully lacking when pressed to deal with such aspects.. luxury to think about such things for most people .. talk doesnt cook rubtabagas
Come now! People's comments about reincarnation are a sidetrack. Adi Da's main point is: the test of human existence is whether we will persist in love -- that's not just talk, or a luxury, but a basic need for all of us.
But come now. . . You're speaking in the abstract. To the point at hand: really how much credibility is needed to agree with anyone -- Adi Da or you or me -- who says, "The test of human existence is whether we will persist in love"? Do you actually disagree with that? If so, do you have a suggestion for what would be a better "test of human existence"? Seems like a pretty good one! And not exactly controversial. :-)
Recommended: Old Souls: Compelling Evidence from Children Who Remember Past Lives, by a Washington Post reporter travelling with Stevenson. Publishers Weekly: "While it is easy to dismiss individuals who 'remember' being Napoleon, how to explain a young boy's insistence that he is really an auto mechanic who died in a car crash a few years before? Stevenson spent 30 years studying 2000 children who spontaneously remember concrete details about dead strangers whose experiences can be documented."
But these accounts are only a few isolated cases, how they prove reincarnation? It's intriguing, yes, but does it mean that we are all reincarnated, or just a few people? Or is it telepathy or something like that?
reincarnation is only a belief like any other afterlife belief. everyone is ignorant of death because no-one can return from it! at least, with any memory of it.
Actually, saying "reincarnation is only a belief" is only a belief! -:) It turns out that careful scientific study (most prominently by Prof. Ian Stevenson) has been done, by comparing the statements of children around the world about "past lives" with the actual facts about people who recently died. The studies are very carefully controlled to rule out that the children could have known about these people in any way, leaving only two possible explanations: reincarnation or telepathy.
it is good that people are actually looking into it scientifically. I think that's a worthwhile thing to do, but the evidence is not yet comprehensive.
whether you believe in life after death or not is not the point. Your action now in this life is the point. It seems obvious to me that there will be reincarnation but that doesn't make life any easier. I still have to be responsible for my way of living. That is what Adi Da is talking about.
This being Adi Da knows of it , not because he returned from it with memory, he has come from beyond this cosmic domain so he has a complete view that no one has ever had. How does one explain that one, well he has lived as a body-mind in the western pattern and has organically allowed this prior being he calls the bright to come through and there are many living texts and living arts to express it as well as that body you see in these videos.
My God - is that "Hello, everyone actually FROM Adida Samraj? Where can I obtain a copy of "The Test of Human Existence?" If there was ever just one subject and just one video to contemplate, to meditate on, to keep trying to incorporate and act on, THIS would be IT. Thankyou.
meriprem, thanks for being here. allow me to direct you to the full version that this clip was taken from. go to google video and type in 'the truth of our existence' or simply type adi da and you will see it. 31minutes long. enjoy yourself.
Is there anybody out there who is a member of His spiritual community, and who could then let me know if a fuller version of this fantastic video is available - and if so, how can I purchase one? Thankyou.
We are ONE.
KigreTheViking 7 months ago
True, 99.99999% of the population are not going to be able to 'hack' it. That leaves a few hundred people at most who might.
While his teaching is ingeniously sublime it is at once elitist, in the sense so few are prepare to go the distance.
This planet doesn't have the luxury of elitist paths - Nature needs to provide an eight lane interstate highway to Awakening.
integralsun 10 months ago
@integralsun Adi Da has always said that was His impulse: to enlighten everybody instantly, and that if it were possible, He would have done it. But it is NOT possible. "Nature needs to provide an eight lane interstate highway to Awakening" is like saying "Nature needs to change the law of gravity" -- sorry, the laws of Nature are different from social laws. We may not like the laws of Nature, but we can't change them.
filmco24 10 months ago
@filmco24 What Adi Da has provided is the most direct & "easiest" way of Realizing God. Does that make it "weekend enlightement"? No, because that's not possible within the laws of Nature. What we can do is communicate this Way far & wide, so more people have a chance to participate in it. Just because everyone won't be Enlightened in this lifetime doesn't mean there isn't a point to practice. I'd much rather be Enlightened 10 lifetimes from now than 1 million -- practice serves that outcome.
filmco24 10 months ago
One contribution science provides is validation of a given methodology. For instance, how many people who have followed this teaching have reached an awaken status? What's the efficacy of this teaching. If it can't be demonstrated or attested to then why should anyone take up this practice?
integralsun 10 months ago
@integralsun It has been demonstrated! Large numbers are not necessary. Realizing God is different from getting to the corner store. We can assess the "efficacy" of directions to the corner store because everyone can do it if they're good directions. Far fewer people will Realize God -- not because the means doesn't work, but because most people won't actually do what it requires. Very few people get physics Ph.D's -- not because the graduate schools suck, but because most people can't hack it.
filmco24 10 months ago
Science and technology are not idiocy. I wouldn't have the benefit of his teaching right here, right now on my laptop, without technology and science, right?
That aside, the Test of Human Existence is can now transcend our egoic self. Do we recognize that is the most immediate and pressing concern and by comparison everything else is a kind of idiocy (if we turn away or ignore this understanding).
integralsun 10 months ago
@integralsun Adi Da rightly acknowledged the usefulness and contributions of science and technology, and made use of technological advances Himself, all the time. What He criticized (strongly) was turning science into a philosophy -- scientific materialism -- in which everything other than the material is rejected or ostracized.
filmco24 10 months ago
what greater message is there?
adidam77 10 months ago
hey zebb do you love yourself enough to end your stupid suffering?
amitbharata 11 months ago
he says a lot of stuff with very little substance. we already know that we die. why are people comforted by the idea of constantly returning to this life. I'm hoping that God loves me enough to end the stupid suffering.
zebb1111 1 year ago
@zebb1111 Alas, your comment shows you have missed much of the point of the talk, and of Adi Da's teaching altogether. He teaches that only you can end your "stupid suffering", not some "God" in the sky. The whole point of this video clip is personal responsibility.
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort I only wish you the best as well!
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort You'll never convince anyone with any intelligence of anything, if the form of your "argument" is to present them with a bunch of "paranoid connections" (in your words or your videos). Sorry!
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort
Google: paranoia illogical connections
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Google
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filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Google:
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filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Google:
The Reincarnation Research of Ian Stevenson, MD, by Walter Semkiw, MD
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort OK, enough -- I'm sorry for your confusion. But your starting point -- taking everything in the Bible seriously ("2nd coming of Christ", "enemy of mankind") -- is not something I can engage further in serious conversation. They're childish myths, but you've bought them lock, stock, and barrel. If Adi Da really were "the enemy of mankind", don't you think he'd have been more widely known and influential before He died? So many holes in your viewpoint. Signing off!
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Our mind can create all kinds of "visions" or dreams, and we can interpret them in all kinds of ways. Just because you have a vision of Jesus doesn't mean Jesus exists!
That Adi Da is God is something that has been revealed to me, over and over. So I think the problem is with you're saying "If he wasn't God". . . He was. He is. That's the resolution that will truly bring you peace. It's just a childish fear that makes you hesitate: "But what is He's the devil?"
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort But why are you so fixated on Satan images, who or what might be Satan, etc? Meditate on God, and stop going around trying to find Satan in everyone and everything!
Do you understand Adi Da's principle, "You become what you meditate on"?
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort I have -- you didn't Realize God after all, you suffered a lot of confusion over that, and you turned to Christianity as a way out. It's pretty simple.
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Now you're getting ridiculous. I'm sure if I put a video camera on you 24 hours day, I could find a frame that some paranoid conspiracy theorist could say, "Why did he raise his right hand there and make that weird gesture I associate with the devil?" Really... What about the zillions of hours of footage of Adi Da where He ISN'T making this one gesture you associate with something demonic? Where He isn't talking about Satan and making a gesture you associate with the devil?
filmco24 1 year ago
@filmco24 You had to search long and hard through all His talks to find some way to connect Him with Satan. I'd say this says more about you than Him: YOU seem to be obsessed with Satan, no?
Suggest you find a job with the National Enquirer or some other tabloid. They work by the same illogic -- take a picture of a celebrity, and add whatever caption they like below the picture.
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort Doesn't offend me in the least! You CAN'T have realized the seventh stage and then go on to say you later "went to hell" and needed Jesus to save you. Sorry! In the seventh stage Realization, you Realize God -- nothing is outside of you, there are no separate places ("heaven", "hell", etc.), and you Realize Perfect, Eternal Happiness. Even if you were in "hell" it wouldn't matter. :-) But since it did for you, you didn't Realize It Obviously!
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort What I find strange is how some people fall on their knees before a book, rather than Real God. I don't take "the Bible" as my "God". :-) It says all kinds of strange and inconsistent things (that inspire a lot of the religious wars in this world), and it takes incredible discrimination to sort out the "wheat" from the "chaff" in that book!
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort You're taking His Words too literally! :-) And finding inconsistencies where there are none, because you're disregarding the context. (As Emerson said, "A foolish inconsistency is the hobgoblin of little minds".) The context of His comment about Satan was what I said: a comment about how nothing can exist apart from God. In that context, He is just using Satan as a "metaphor" -- He's not saying Satan exists!
filmco24 1 year ago
@filmco24 He's criticizing dualistic viewpoints about Reality altogether, not just Christianity.
Many other traditions -- not just Christianity -- have a "Satan" or something equivalent in them, and he's criticizing all such dualistic viewpoints. You're losing the forest for the trees!
filmco24 1 year ago
@LoveJoyPeaceComfort To bug ex-devotee Christian apologists. :-) Just teasing.
I've never read Him say that. But if He did, it's pretty clear why: all things are arising in the Divine Consciousness, even demonic spirits, even Hitler, even earthquakes that kill people, etc. There is nothing "outside" of the Divine. That's the seventh stage viewpoint.
filmco24 1 year ago
Traditional Christian dogma runs into major philosophical problems by presuming there can be something apart from God. What exactly is that? How can God (as conceived by Christians) create something apart from Himself? Where is that? It implies that God is not omnipresent, not omnipotent, etc. Adi Da's all-inclusive, non-separate 7th stage viewpoint doesn't run into those philosophical problems.
filmco24 1 year ago
The whole notion of "God as Creator" creates more problems than it solves: why would an all-good God create evil, Satan, etc.? Why would an all-powerful God not eliminate suffering? Etc. Christian theologians have always tied themselves in knots trying to answer those questions, whereas the simplest answer is: God exists, but is not the Creator of everything and not "in charge" of everything -- but God is the Source of everything.
filmco24 1 year ago
So the whole Christian notion of Satan (or, for that matter, eternal hell) is problematic to begin with. The questions for you to ask yourself are: If such a being actually exists, why did an all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing God create such an exclusively evil being? How could an all-good, merciful God allow an eternal hell? An all-good, merciful God wouldn't match the sadistic Christian "fairy tale" that: well, God gave beings free will. So if they choose to defy Him, they should go to hell.
filmco24 1 year ago
So the whole Christian notion of Satan (or, for that matter, eternal hell) is problematic to begin with. The questions for you to ask yourself are: If such a being actually exists, why did an all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing God create such an exclusively evil being? How could an all-good, merciful God allow an eternal hell? An all-good, merciful God wouldn't match the sadistic Christian "fairy tale" that: well, God gave beings free will, & if they choose to defy Him, they should go to hell.
filmco24 1 year ago
A cold winter day in Huge Helper. He looks pretty outrageous. So sharp and easy in the early days. Little it did. Grow to be the lover of God. You will know what he did.
Countrychiddler 1 year ago
Thank you!!
yellowpageman 1 year ago
All of you arguers.... please!!!! The ego, which by the very definition you hold yourself AS, IS what you ARE, can never argue sucessfully about things egos cannot possibly know about from the standpoint of being the ego. A being self-identified as separate CANNOT fathom unity, or love, only separateness, and the absolute starvation of spirit that that self viewpoint is. You are starving, and your viewpoint is that food is poison to your intellect... the opposite is true.
jaymacone 2 years ago 4
Yes, words -- yours, mine, or any of the other commenters here -- are not in themselves Truth. But they can serve as bridges to Truth. That is one of the reasons why Adi Da wrote so much. It wasn't about argumentation. His words pointed to Revelation. That is also why He took human form: because the formless Divine is not locatable. "I taught you how to notice Me" He said. The Divine has always been present, but there was no way to locate Him before. Form can be used as a bridge to the Formless.
filmco24 2 years ago 2
@jaymacone Exraordinary Eyes Grace the cosmos. Egos are point of view machines. As a limited point of view machine built to die "i" do everything "i" can to avoid real love moment to moment..
Countrychiddler 1 year ago
One need not be limited to forever feeling oneself to be a limited mortal being. One can instead commune with, and eventually Realize, the Divine Position that is perfectly happy and whose state is Infinite Love (or Unlimited Feeling).
filmco24 2 years ago
Speaking from this viewpoint, Adi Da means something radically different by "love". It is what you are moved to do and feel when you are in communion with the Consciousness and Love-Bliss that is one's very Source. In this respect, it is a perfect "test of existence", because it is a pragmatic measure in any moment of whether you are in communion with the Source of your existence -- or not.
filmco24 2 years ago
So is love something that 'is' or something you 'do' ? Or neither?
fishybishbash 2 years ago
Both! One's Native State is Infinite Love-Bliss. To the extent one is in communion with That, one is spontaneously moved to enact love toward others. One can "enact love" without "being love" -- but it has an egoic basis, and is limited by that very fact.
It is also true that, even when one is communing with Love-Bliss, old egoic habits take a while to be dislodged. One must feed the new, right habits of loving action (based on communion with Love-Bliss), & not feed the old habits of unlove.
filmco24 2 years ago 2
On one level, I agree. Much of what Western culture refers to as "love" is a romanticization, both of biological and social needs.
But Adi Da speaks not in the role of "relationship counselor" but as Spiritual Master, which brings us to the deeper presumption lurking behind your comment: the philosophy of materialism.
Materialism claims that everything can be reduced to purely material terms. Love? Just a biological response. Consciousness? A by-product of neurons firing. And so on.
filmco24 2 years ago
But this is only one philosophical viewpoint. A different viewpoint -- Adi Da's -- is that the material universe is arising in a universal Consciousness (aka God or Reality Itself). The State of that Consciousness is Love-Bliss without center or limit. While there is no ultimate "being" other than the one Consciousness, apparent beings like ourselves derive their apparently separate "consciousness" as a stepped-down (knotted-up) version of that One Consciousness.
filmco24 2 years ago
The test of human existence is whether you will persist as love...please.
Love is a biological response. No more important than any of the others emotion.
It's not as epic as we want to make it seem.
TheGr8Brit 2 years ago
Come on...just go read Descartes Meditations on First Philosophy
schytzo 2 years ago
Three major problems with your suggestion:
1. Adi Da's main point is: the test of human existence is love. Love is not even in the vocabulary of Descartes' "Meditations".
2. Adi Da's viewpoint is the opposite of the Cartesian: "cogito ergo sum" ("I think therefore I am"). It is rather, "Sum ergo cogito" ("I am, therefore I think.") His view is that the human body-mind is arising in a universal Consciousness, not the materialistic notion that "consciousness" is a byproduct of the brain.
filmco24 2 years ago
3. First and foremost, Adi Da is a Spiritual Transmitter, not a mere source of information! His primary purpose is to enable others (like you and me) to duplicate His Spiritual Realization. Sorry to say, Descarte's book of philosophy is not capable of fulfilling that function. You're confusing apples and oranges.
filmco24 2 years ago
my point is, this guy is wrong...there is no such thing as a Collective Unconscious, or the universal Consciousness. there is no actually, verifiable, emperical proor or data that this can be so. A vast majority of modern Psychologists say that Jung was out of his mind - that is where most of this kind of worldview comes from.
My point was this guy may claim whatever he wants, but he doesnt know what he is talking about. If you want to learn about existense, go read Descartes.
schytzo 2 years ago
Like it or not, what is right or wrong, what is true or false, is not decided by your opinion, or by the opinion of a number of psychologists!
Both your original comment and your reply confirm that you are a staunch believer in materialism. You're entitled to believe what you want, but that doesn't make it true.
Perhaps when you are a bit older than 21, you'll be a little slower to say: "he doesn't know what he is talking about." :-) We tend to say that less, with age. (For good reason.)
filmco24 2 years ago
But here's something to consider: until and unless you can come up with an adequate accounting for your own consciousness in materialistic terms (which modern science has failed to do), don't be so quick to dismiss non-materialistic explanations.
Until and unless you (or anyone else) can come up with scientific experiments that can tell, one way or the other, whether the "ghost" is in the machine, or the machine is in the Ghost, it remains an open question from a scientific standpoint.
filmco24 2 years ago
there are things that are still beyond human understanding. Before proof, before verification there is an idea, a concept, a "claim". If this idea is than becomes the norm or accepted, than it becomes proof. All I'm saying is be open and listen without prejudice. Take what applies to you and leave the rest. YOU are an individual do what YOU feel is right.
HappynewbeY 2 years ago
"If you want to learn about existence"??
:)
I would suggest doing more listening. Can't you hear the perfect logic of this talk and the awesome humour He displays.
"And everyone dies from time to time.."
I nearly passed out laughing the first time I heard that. This 'Guy'? This GUY has perfect knowledge. Nothing is hidden from Him. It's all plain as day for Him. I love this guy so much I remain sane by His very existence. He Is what I see when I remember to Love. Adi Da, You are Love in a body.
stillanego 2 years ago
No 'guide' I know offers greater wisdom than Adi Da.
Many have been contacted spiritually by Him without their even knowing Him. Much evidence argues against your notion that people are arbitrarily labelling Him the source of their "spiritual feeling". You confuse 2 things: everything is arising in God, and so in principle everything COULD be a Transmitter of God; but in practice, only those who are relatively (or even perfectly) egoless are sufficiently transparent to God to serve as such.
filmco24 2 years ago
"God is the kind of God that makes places like this"
Love that line
dylanskriloff 3 years ago
In every aspect of living..we need a teacher
Really great musicians..artists.. will not take beginner students..learn and become good..good enough to deserve a master teacher and when you do find yourself graced with this situation..make sure to find out all their faults and make fun of their laugh and puff up your ego to think that you are indeed the teacher..you cannot teach matters of the heart with the mind..nor heal the mind with the mind..the greatest frequency for all healing..is LOVE!
ladyshamballa 3 years ago
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.;-)
spinalfluidontap 2 years ago
No, I for one do NOT find His laughter weird at all, in fact I enjoy it thoroughly! It is so spontaneous, overflowing with life, bubbling and bursting with joy and good humour.
meriprem 3 years ago
Alas, Da has died. Become part of all of us, as He has been. He is in Heaven now, November 27, 2008
jaymacone 3 years ago
I believe that Adi Da is the truth, the present real god. But does anyone else find the laughter a bit weird?
cjg28 3 years ago
No -- and you've provided the core of the reason! I've been at many gatherings with Adi Da. Because Adi Da is not an ordinary man, but a Spiritual Transmitter, being in His Company is not at all an ordinary experience. It feels something like walking into a tangible Force Field, and altered state. It is very easy to get "drunk" with Bliss in His Company, and laughter comes much easier (and louder) when you're "drunk". :-)
filmco24 3 years ago
I am guessing you mean the laughter of the people. I am guessing that being in His direct company is beyond ordinary and so people are affected deeply. I havce had the experience of listening to Adi Da speak aout something and exploding into uncontrolable laughter and then realising I am the only one laughing. His conversation is entirely with individuals and everyone acts differently.
stillanego 3 years ago
if that is the case, i am woefully lacking when pressed to deal with such aspects.. luxury to think about such things for most people .. talk doesnt cook rubtabagas
ohyeahhm 3 years ago 2
Come now! People's comments about reincarnation are a sidetrack. Adi Da's main point is: the test of human existence is whether we will persist in love -- that's not just talk, or a luxury, but a basic need for all of us.
filmco24 3 years ago
Come now!Its not a sidetrack - because if he is wrong about reincarnation then that severely compromises his credibility.
4thFquartz 3 years ago
But come now. . . You're speaking in the abstract. To the point at hand: really how much credibility is needed to agree with anyone -- Adi Da or you or me -- who says, "The test of human existence is whether we will persist in love"? Do you actually disagree with that? If so, do you have a suggestion for what would be a better "test of human existence"? Seems like a pretty good one! And not exactly controversial. :-)
filmco24 3 years ago
no dude his jokes *are* funny
this is the best, thank you
maroonlectroid 3 years ago
the people that listen are too busy laughing. 1 person laughs and a crowd laughs right along.
1ToNJaB 4 years ago
Persist as Love. A Bringer of Love. I can buy that.
kensho3 4 years ago
Recommended: Old Souls: Compelling Evidence from Children Who Remember Past Lives, by a Washington Post reporter travelling with Stevenson. Publishers Weekly: "While it is easy to dismiss individuals who 'remember' being Napoleon, how to explain a young boy's insistence that he is really an auto mechanic who died in a car crash a few years before? Stevenson spent 30 years studying 2000 children who spontaneously remember concrete details about dead strangers whose experiences can be documented."
filmco24 4 years ago
But these accounts are only a few isolated cases, how they prove reincarnation? It's intriguing, yes, but does it mean that we are all reincarnated, or just a few people? Or is it telepathy or something like that?
mercurius0 3 years ago
reincarnation is only a belief like any other afterlife belief. everyone is ignorant of death because no-one can return from it! at least, with any memory of it.
mercurius0 4 years ago
Actually, saying "reincarnation is only a belief" is only a belief! -:) It turns out that careful scientific study (most prominently by Prof. Ian Stevenson) has been done, by comparing the statements of children around the world about "past lives" with the actual facts about people who recently died. The studies are very carefully controlled to rule out that the children could have known about these people in any way, leaving only two possible explanations: reincarnation or telepathy.
filmco24 4 years ago
it is good that people are actually looking into it scientifically. I think that's a worthwhile thing to do, but the evidence is not yet comprehensive.
mercurius0 4 years ago
whether you believe in life after death or not is not the point. Your action now in this life is the point. It seems obvious to me that there will be reincarnation but that doesn't make life any easier. I still have to be responsible for my way of living. That is what Adi Da is talking about.
stillanego 4 years ago
This being Adi Da knows of it , not because he returned from it with memory, he has come from beyond this cosmic domain so he has a complete view that no one has ever had. How does one explain that one, well he has lived as a body-mind in the western pattern and has organically allowed this prior being he calls the bright to come through and there are many living texts and living arts to express it as well as that body you see in these videos.
Mara108 3 years ago
You are missing the point by a mile. Once you look past yourself reincarnation becomes a fact.
buggerlugs666 3 years ago
Can you please explain how reincarnation is fact, thank you.
mercurius0 3 years ago
My God - is that "Hello, everyone actually FROM Adida Samraj? Where can I obtain a copy of "The Test of Human Existence?" If there was ever just one subject and just one video to contemplate, to meditate on, to keep trying to incorporate and act on, THIS would be IT. Thankyou.
meriprem 4 years ago
Hi Meriprem, I am a devotee of Adi Da. How can I help you? :)
In the trabscendental sense maybe that "Hello" is from Adi Da but in the ordinary sense it probably is not. :)
stillanego 4 years ago
meriprem, thanks for being here. allow me to direct you to the full version that this clip was taken from. go to google video and type in 'the truth of our existence' or simply type adi da and you will see it. 31minutes long. enjoy yourself.
RawRebuild 4 years ago
Is there anybody out there who is a member of His spiritual community, and who could then let me know if a fuller version of this fantastic video is available - and if so, how can I purchase one? Thankyou.
meriprem 4 years ago
"God is the Absolute Reality in which all this is arising."
I could listen to this again and again. Wow. That's it. Right there.
Chandirah 4 years ago
Love is hard because it's too easy.
cybervigilante 4 years ago
hello, for those interested you can see the full 30 minute video of this talk on googlevideo "Adi Da Samraj"
jonobono 4 years ago
G'day
TheDozman 4 years ago
What more instruction do people really need? It's all there.
Chandirah 4 years ago
"The test of human existence is whether you will persist, as love....There's nothing else going on that's of any consequence whatsover."
Olhamo 4 years ago
He's a great speaker
DevaDozja 4 years ago