But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
sure yoshobbit ..any child could see that the NFL and NBA are clearly engaged in discriminarory hireing practices , otherwise there would only be 12% afro american atheltes in the game ..why ? ..because we all now KNOW that there are NO differences whatever between the so called "races " ..and blacks make up only 12% of the US population ......right ?..why are latinos,jews,indians and asians blocked access to these lucrative professions by this obviously racist "glass ceiling" in sports?
@33Crazydude For any other species that would be honourable, reasonable, orthodox and scientifically correct. This idea that the existence of intermediates disproves the existence of sub-species would be pooh-poohed as the flim-flam that it is. Of course they're different. You study the brown ones and I'll study the beige ones and we can each officially name the other sub-species after each other, is that a deal? Pass the brandy.
@MartinJWillett I was watching a documentary about a subspecies of black bear that has pure white fur and known as the spirit bear.
White spirit bears are the result of a recessive gene that is carried by approximately 10 percent of Kermode bears. Two bears carrying this gene can produce a white cub.
If they’re considered a subspecies then surely the difference between Europeans and African would put us in a subspecies category. Political correctness is to blame here.
@33Crazydude actually white people are cro magnums or neanderthal. Neantherdal pride worldwide. Beating homos at everything since before time. yeahhh!
i am starting a petition drive to demand an investigation into the hiring practices of both the NBA and the NFL in the US .any child could see that these blatantly racist organizations CLEARLY discriminate against those of asian ,latin american ,irish ,polish ,french,italian ,scandinavian ,jewish and english ancestry ...this obvious ,unfair and institutionalized bigotry in proffessional sports MUST STOP ..
The hypocrisy of egalitarians is in making equality a dogma for pure ideological reasons that - without them realizing - strengthens the foundations of exactly that which they claim to oppose. It's in giving support for the principle that it's reasonable to look down on people that have inferior qualities, as that must be the reasoning behind compulsive enforcement of the idea of universal, unconditional equality. This type of phony egalitarian thinks that e.g. human rights depend on homogeny.
@MartinJWillett Fairness is subject to interpretation and viewpoint. Children know this.
Intelligence, luck, work ethic, beauty, physical ability, parents and so are naturally varies and is NEVER "fair".
Fairness is simply a way for adult babies to whine about something they don't like so "big brother" can use force to shut the baby up. sometimes Big Brother ignores the whiner. Other times they are punished and other times they are rewarded whey Big Brother redistributes the toys.
I like your position, Martin. I still contend that certain races, particularly african blacks and australian aboriginals, genuinely so regress to a mean IQ so low that they are totally incapable of organised civilisation on their own. I suppose I think it's important to keep the better-off races around for the long term as a kind of insurance measure, not to mention for varieties sake. What a shame it would be to evolve intelligent life, then lose it again so quickly to something so foolish.
we are not pretending we are the same. What equality means is that, as human being we should manage to live together, not only like animal competing to food, but as being that acknowledge his similarity with the others (empathy), and knows that humanity walks togethers, not apart... social interaction and empathy is what distinguish us from animals... there's room for everyone.
@djosacv There has been mixing up of two quite separate meanings of the word and concept of equality, I don't think that this mixing up is accidental either. It is a deliberate clouding of the idea of being fair (100% reasonable) with accepting that there are no differences between people (total bullshit).
exactly... so you guys get's the point. Race is a social construct and equality, is anyone claming against it. Nevertheless humanity lives in a social constructed world. Because of this social consctruted world comes with general social principles. And one of these principles is that, although we are all different at some degree, there's something similar in all humanity, there's common ground to all of us, there's room for equality, in the sense that we share something we all human beings.
@djosacv Equality is a myth, but it is a convenient myth and some people will do you extreme violence rather than admit that it is just a myth because they fear that if the stupid people get to hear about it they will be uncontrollable. That's the same kind of shit that is used to propagate religion - get the stupid people to believe a lie that those in control find convenient, and if anybody tells them that it's a lie burn them alive if you can get away with it.
@MartinJWillett to go from a social construct to a myth you need to work on a lot of intricate stuff... by your logic, claiming something is a social construct leads to a conclusion that the same thing is a myth.. so let me take this to the edge. Language is a social construct, only animals with social interaction abilities needs to invent a language... so it's a myth... Justice is a myth, only civilization where is some kind of patterns of good behavior (like not killing the other) invent that
@MartinJWillett Even technology is a myth... technology is totally a social construct of the communist, to make you addicted to it and tell you how you should live...
you logic is dumb... calling something a social construct doesn't mean it is a myth or something unwanted, it only means that the value of this thing is intricatly linked to the social substract it was consctructed. So equality isn't a myth. what we may claim is that the value of equality is bound to the society being constructed
:/ Racists come in all pedigrees, the most annoying racists are the ones who think they're being liberal and multicultural while imposing on me their stereotypes of how I'm supposed to act and what I'm supposed to be sensitive to.
@Laughingblades I suppose that says a lot about how racists are really not that big a deal any more. I can't help thinking that thirty years ago somebody would have said that the most annoying kind of racists are those who post shite through your letterbox in the morning, bricks through your window in the evening and burning petrol in the middle of the night.
@MartinJWillett At least those guys, as rare as they are today, don't pretend that they're being politically correct and progressive. They know where they stand, and so do you, but the smarmy multicultural racists who impose their racial expectations onto you as if you're supposed to embrace and celebrate their stereotypes, then act taken aback and surprised when you don't, are the most annoying people on the planet.
@Laughingblades They certainly sound very annoying to me. I don't think multiculturalism is a good idea. I think this country owes it to its citizens to defend their country and way of life. We have taken in too many immigrants, we have not digested the ones we have, we surely can't take any more ESPECIALLY any more of the same type who have not integrated. No more immigrants until the current lot are integrated, unless their aspirations are clearly compatible with our indigenous culture(s).
@MartinJWillett Every Booming American city and all American enterprises have been built & developed by the very immigrants you seem to complain about. Whoever is telling you we took in too many immigrants does not know who built this country. Without immigration most American cities will collapse. Just look at the negative population growth in any mid west state that immigrants have no desire to go to. Look at their property values, economies diminishing & crime rate rising without immigrants
@MAZDAKPRODUCTION I'm not American. I don't live in YOUR "this country", I live in mine. You do know other countries exist right? And they don't just exist to provide immigrants to increase your property prices.
@MartinJWillett I am sorry to have assumed you live in the US. Yes I know there are around 196 countries as of today, some recognized by some & some not. What is the piece of this earth you live at called??
@MartinJWillett Watched a video on your profile, if that is you, the speaker mentioned he is English. So I assume its you. Then if you are English, then how about England stopping colonizing and invading other nations for the return of the promise of foreigners to not to migrate to England?? The only reason there are all kinds of foreigners there is because you bloody mo fos are raping other nations for gods sake. Dont you agree??
equality doesn't necessarily equate to fairness. equality is a social construct in that it is not a physical thing.it binds a social group together. equality has weight in its use and functionality. race has neither of those.. It is a word that has the function of unnecessary separation. make people "not us". It is superficial. race focuses on the small differences. equality focuses on the many similarities. Obviously people are different, but how different? and does it matter one bit?
clothing ourselves is a social construct, building house, cooked food, paved streets, cities, bridges & everything we use on the daily basis is part of a social construct. That does not mean it is not good. Your argument is based on a thin layer of evaporating water, Pooof its obsolete
@MAZDAKPRODUCTION Equality is a social construct, it is not a fact of nature and there is no politics and philosophy in nature either. Defining something as a social construct does not make it disappear, it allows us to understand what it is and what it isn't. Race is also a social construct, it does not exist as a valid biological category, but that is not to say that there is no biological reality behind it. There is, although the reality is more complicated than the theories of petty racists.
@MartinJWillett Nothing exists my friend. GOD, Cell phone signals, Equality, Value of the dollar or Gold for that matter, respect for our elders, empathy, feelings of joy none have real material existence unless we want them to exist. Constructed by the social or by the person hood they exist because we choose them to. Many fans of this video would argue for existence of Corporations but when it comes to giving unnatural is unaccepted. The fact of the matter is Social construct is REALITY.
@MAZDAKPRODUCTION There is no equality in nature. You cannot construct a reality out of an aspiration. There is no more truth in the idea of human equality than there is in a fatuous statement such as Happy Christmas War is Over. People vary, and people can be grouped, and those groups vary, less than the individuals but they still vary. Always have, always will, unless we do something rather radical to enforce artificial equality.
@MartinJWillett People might vary, be grouped & they might want to disagree but we have found it within ourselves to give each other some alienable rights and within holding of those rights we are equal. You might be very well different than me. I give you the right to hold a different opinion and not charging you for it but I exercise my right to discuss our differences politely. Persistence on differences & ignoring equal rights is laying foundation for discrimination+racism = wars,hate
@MartinJWillett My point is that everything in our societies, "Western" or otherwise, are social constructs. Sure, race is one. Equality is another. So are right and wrong, religion, language, "God", war, peace and everything in between. Scientific facts exist regardless of our social norms, while social values exist only by perception and agreement. Seeing that difference is the basis of modern thinking. Denying that difference is the basis of post-modern thinking. Fact and value differ.
@4Xderrick In nature there is no equality, there is at best approximate equivalence. The idea that there should be equality is artificial - a human construct, a myth, and not a universally agreed myth either. It is not a myth which makes people better people, as if any lie could be good for the person who insists upon its acceptance by others. It is a social convention, like pretending you think your friends' children look attractive.
The universe is built on three unifying princples: freedom, justice, and equality. Take two rose seeds. Identical in every way. The ground they are planted in nourishes them equally. It doesn't withhold some nutrients from one, whille fully nourishing the other. The rain that falls on them, falls on them equally. The sun doesn't shine it's light on one, while withholding it's light from the other. Depleting it's rays of vitamins for one, while enriching them for the..
@4Xderrick Superstitious irrational bollocks for which not a single shred of evidence is offered or possible! This sort of faith statement has no business in any debate which involves science. Take it away. I'm not arguing bollocks today. I'll leave that for a time when I address religion.
@4Xderrick People are not mathematical symbols and it isn't common sense to imagine that they are, it's fucked up. Nothing in biology or nature is equal. The entire concept of equality is a human invention and your refusal to see it does not say anything good about your intelligence.
Anything that can be counted can be symbolized mathematically. "People" in and of itself implies more than one, depending upon the equation(context) in which it's used. Of course nothing in nature is equal. You have the stronger, the weaker. You have higher forms of intelligence, and lower forms of intelligence. Yet it rains on the just and the unjust alike, and that isn't a human invention. It is an inescapable fact of life.
...other. Yet one grows faster, blooms more fully, lives longer. Enforced equality may be a social construct, but true equality is a universal principle.
1) It's easy to define species. And it's actually turned out to be quite easy to show that race is not a valid taxonomy too. But that's not what is at stake here anyway, so who cares.
And noone runs around claiming that equality is biological. So who cares about that. Yes we choose to write laws that do not make a difference between two voting people. But what is the better concept to organize large groups of people, one that actually furthers opportunity rather then pre-sorting?
People don't argue that social constructs are a bad/invalid thing; racists/race-realists keep appealing to pseudo-science to rationalise their prejudices, so their opponents are compelled to point out that it's not science at all, so it's a false argument. Egalitarians don't point to science to promote their views. Yes, equality is a social construct, no one denies it. But that doesn't make it undesirable; it's certainly a more benign construct than racism.
@havstormer I have merely pointed out that there is no equality in biology/nature. You can't have it both ways around, appealing to science when it suits, ignoring it and appealing to politics and philosophy when it doesn't. If you play the it's-not-science-it's-a-social-construct card then you can't dismiss that play as invalid.
The shout "strawman!" only has a meaning if somebody was meant to be attacking a specific individual, but I have given up pwnage so there is no other kind of argument.
@havstormer I disapprove racism on the opposite grounds: It puts the people *within* a race much closer together than they belong. I disapprove it for its egalitarianism, not its elitism. I believe the main motivation of the racist is not to believe his tribe to be superior. It's the fear of having no tribe at all.
I don't think most people would disagree with you when it comes to positive discrimination. The fact is, people DO recruit based on things other than ability. Just a reality. The only way to be absolutely sure is completely anonymous interviews and applications. So that ONLY ability can be assessed.
We still don't understand a lot about our psychology. We give things names, like charisma, charm, weird, creepy. But we essentially, don't know how we judge people subtly, sometimes without even knowing it.
@superhamzah85 Egalitarianism is about saying everyone is *worth* the same. The call for diversity carefully avoids value judgements. In fact it's usually the opposite because often values correlate with secondary features such as skin color (not for genetic reasons, in my opinion) and then a call for diversity becomes a thinly veiled call against values. Observe how no one calls for diversity in countries that are poor.
The main thing the "left" are trying to say is that it is wrong to assign characteristics to individuals based on their "race" (I'm not sure which term to use anymore :)), and that is because individuals can be anywhere on their "race" bell-curves, which are very close for all "races".
@Sumkin91 That is what I am saying. The bell curves overlap significantly. If you want to employ a clever accountant recruit somebody who is qualified and experienced, not just a man called Goldberg. If you want a porn star ask to see his penis, don't hire him on his colour and assume. It is assuming which is the problem. And the reason that the black kid didn't score as well on his test can't be assumed to be because his ability was being hidden by racial prejudice - he may be just be thick.
@MartinJWillett That was more of a response to the people who think that because your video is against that of zomgcris, you automatically defend racism (or at least a milder pseudo scientific version of racism).
I should have known better though, because this subject is loaded with politics and politics is the mind killer.
@Sumkin91 She assumed that because I made a video entitled Race Surrealists that I was a race realist. No, I object to bullshit no matter how well-meaning it is. You don't really need to argue against transparent bullshit because it is transparently bullshit, it is the arguments that are appealing but wrong which need to be addressed. Not many people fall for Nazi lies these days, but people do fall for liberal PC lies.
@MartinJWillett Just to be more clear: race IS in fact a useful concept when dealing with populations, but it IS NOT correct on individuals. Statistics 101
@Sumkin91 That's really a form of basic logic. There are factors which determine which individual things belongs to a group, and there are traits common within that group. Gerald the penguin is a bird, but Gerald does not fly or lay eggs in a nest in a tree, but he is feathered, warm-blooded, has hollow bones and he has a beak. You can't extrapolate all common traits from the group to all members of the group, only universal traits, which are often not the ones of interest to you.
It couldn't be put with anymore clarity than this. Well done.
Beware, the illogical deniers will always use the rare example to try and disprove a common pattern.For example, this siamese twin has 2 heads therefore we must not say humans are born with one head.
I tend to judge people on how they behave, these things have elements of a social construct about them. If people don't believe in races then there can't be any real racist, and if it's down to social constructs then there is little true gain from the word racist. I guess we can expect people to mold their ideals around what's expedient to their opinions at a specific time and place.
things has progressed so fricken far out of line that now, in Sweden, genders are becoming an extinct feature in society. We have now a trained staff of degenerate "gender bender" monkeys trying to meld the genders in to one -no pink toy horses for girls and no blue squirt guns for the boys, cuz they reinforce the "typical gender construct". Effin unbelievable... they think this is the reson behind the social inequalites in societies between the genders... geez, it's crappin downhill now...
@CIAtheist Exactly, race surrealism is this crazy idea that races don't exist scientifically, all people are equal, except racists, who are unevolved pondscum, and that's the scientific consensus, saying otherwise is Officially Incorrect, and makes you a Nazi, wrong, stupid, racist, unscientific poor white trash. And if you want to say otherwise you'll need to be able to quote chapter and verse from a peer reviewed journal. No not that one, everybody knows that's been debunked and he's a Nazi.
So is religion. Social constructs can be good bad or neutral (like money). The point is there's no biological difference in the brain, the only part that matters. Human brains are exceptionally plastic, and can adapt to almost any culture and language. You see differences in skills because we still separate ourselves by culture, language, and looks. One or two generations without the borders and the construct will crumble. I say good riddance.
@andid What do you mean there is no difference in the brain? That sounds awfully like a faith statement to me. You need (politically) for there to be equality somewhere, so it must be there in the brain and you will not accept otherwise, if it isn't there somebody is lying. No. There is no must about it. Equality is a social construct, a myth, a human fabrication. Brains vary just like everything else in biology. Human brains are similar, not identical, expecting equality isn't rational.
I jumped on board this channel for the Islamic criticisms and atheism, but dammit martin you've sparked my interest in a number of things. i would never have thought about racial differences. i don't agree with you entirely in your criticism. in the same way i wouldn't support you fighting for a nazi's freedom of speech. yes it is a science and yes they have the right.... but do the pros outweigh the cons in either scenario? no to the nazi's but a small maybe to race realism.
I'm not attacking or defending race-realism but it seems to me you are to a large degree arguing against straw-men.
Who is seriously arguing that equality exists biologically or that everyone is "the same" or advocating faking evidence or ostracising people just for doing studies to see if it's true?
That's seems like caricature of most anti-race-realists.
@shlockofgod While of course there's no caricaturing of anybody done by the leftist-scientific-cite-it-or-it-isn't true-you-Nazi-scum-bastards bunch is there?
The left want to claim races officially don't exist and "therefore" everybody is equal and if you say otherwise you're an ignorant lying KKK-supporting Nazi in denial.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - human equality is an extraordinary claim - biology doesn't work like that. Produce the extraordinary evidence.
@MartinJWillett "While of course there's no caricaturing of anybody done by the leftist-scientific-cite-it-or-it-isn't true-you-Nazi-scum-bastards bunch is there?"
There certainly is but that's irrelevant to my point.
"The left ..." is too broad. You have to refute specific arguments, not groups.
"human equality...extraordinary claim - biology doesn't work like that."
I assume you mean the idea that all races have equal intelligence, abilities and so on. I think this is about moral equality
@shlockofgod Of course it's about moral equality! The left are quite happy to allow the two concepts to get thoroughly mixed up, by denying racial differences, especially in IQ, and trumpeting equality and the supposed non-existence of races it is very easy to see them claiming that all groups are the same, have the same IQ, or would have if it wasn't for prejudice. But nobody has ever PROVED equality among people, and when you try to pin people down they retreat from ever making such a claim.
@shlockofgod actually many(if not all) of examples are VERY REAL. Many scientist has been shunned academically for just pointing out the obvious. Race deniers play the "RACIST CARD" as soon as someone points out that "damn, these folks has problems adapting to our way of living" or "they can't jump through the hoops of academia like others". People has been whipped mentally to blindly accept that "all people are equal" when in fact we are/behave/preform/look different because of genetic drift.
@Paxmax "People has been whipped mentally to blindly accept that "all people are equal" when in fact we are/behave/preform/look different because of genetic drift."
You mean to blindly accept that "all RACES are equal", right. No one's arguing that all people are EQUAL. They'd have to be clones. What does equal mean in this context? There's so much ambiguity and equivocation going on on both sides.
I have to know exactly what "all people are equal" means to know whether I agree or not.
@shlockofgod Exactly, when people are put on the spot they retreat from the claim that all people are equal because there is nothing to back it up except faith, which to a scientist is not a virtue but gross professional misconduct.
@shlockofgod race deniers go out of their way to, for example, blame away the (on avg) poorer educational performance of africans: "It must be socio-economic factors", "the teachers can't communicate properly", "must be discrimination within the study material", "they aren't given the same opportunities", "they always end up in 'bad' schools"... ad nauseum. Cuz it's common knowledge that IT CAN'T BE because they have relative smaller brains? right or what?
@Paxmax "...ame opportunities", "they always end up in 'bad' schools"... ad nauseum. Cuz it's common knowledge that IT CAN'T BE because they have relative smaller brains? right or what?"
I don't know what you're talking about. You seem to be having both sides of a debate.
"equal as in "given the same set of circumstances preform equally as good" in: every possible mental or physical faculty... on average."
No one's equal in that way. Who is arguing that? Please don't say "the left".
@shlockofgod I apologize, in the heat of things I totally forgot that sarcasm can't travel through texts that well. In western countries in general, especially in northern Europe, you cannot have a career within politics or mainstream media if you cling to the fact that some groups of people from some parts of the world are really poorly adapted mentally to a secular western lifestyle. The multi-culti-huggers go out of their way trying to deny it and sweep everything under the rug.
@shlockofgod equal as in "given the same set of circumstances preform equally as good" in: every possible mental or physical faculty... on average. Many readily accept that, for example, some africans, can certainly excel in many sports, but same people has a REALLY HARD TIME admitting, or it's almost CRIMINAL to say that they are not (on average) as intelligent... Because somehow western society has deemed it so very insulting, to the degree that people will be persecuted for it.
I agree with you, but I differ with some race realist in the fact that the concept of intelligence is also a social construct that favors certain types of people who's cultures will produce the most likely combination of character that embody those traits.
If evolution didn't stop at the neck why would any other aspects of nature stop at the mind ?
Something about what race realist say about intelligence sounds off to me despite their detractors claims ..
@Curas1 I'm not a race realist so I can't answer for them.
The "IQ tests don't measure anything except skill at passing IQ tests" people are wrong, IQ correlates with income. Clearly there is scope for feedback in both directions (IQ measures intelligence, which is something which lets you earn more - individually and as a society - being richer helps you educate and feed your children better which boosts their IQ). Only looking at one direction of feedback is wrong.
@MartinJWillett Are you a species realist? Or a realist with regard to anything in reality? Or is everything, to you, social?
I regard both race and species are genetic constructs. Systems that strive to impose either racial equality or racial superiority are social. Race itself is real.
@LibertarianRealist What we call races are difficult to define biologically, and nobody gains anything by managing to do it and lots of people think they can somehow destroy racism if the term can be removed from biology. OK, fine, call it a social construct then, but admit that human equality is also a construct, if not a myth.
Of course races are based on a real genetic phenomenon, but pinning them down precisely is difficult, and as they don't want to succeed the task has been abandoned.
@MartinJWillett What we call rock formations are difficult to define geologically, and nobody gains anything by managing to do it...except a greater, if imperfect, understanding of the various kinds of rocks in the world. It's not fine to call naturally occurring geologic variation a social construct; nor is it fine in my view to call biologically occurring racial variation among humans a social construct. It isn't. Embracing social constructivism and rejecting realism doesn't make you clever.
@LibertarianRealist I'm not embracing it. I just know that as a bloke who works in a shop I can't prove that races exist to somebody who who sits in a university deciding which other people in universities are unscientific Nazis. I can no more get them to admit they are wrong about races than the Vatican would accept proof on transubstantiation. They work by different rules, they believe they are utterly right and moral and their opponents are evil and they control what counts as an argument.
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But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
svennbreng 4 days ago
sure yoshobbit ..any child could see that the NFL and NBA are clearly engaged in discriminarory hireing practices , otherwise there would only be 12% afro american atheltes in the game ..why ? ..because we all now KNOW that there are NO differences whatever between the so called "races " ..and blacks make up only 12% of the US population ......right ?..why are latinos,jews,indians and asians blocked access to these lucrative professions by this obviously racist "glass ceiling" in sports?
woodenmajor 1 month ago
All none Africans have up to 4% Neanderthal DNA. How can a race denialist explain that away.
khmer41980 1 month ago
@khmer41980 sorry for the grammatical error. I have 4% Neanderthal DNA in my genome.
khmer41980 1 month ago
I believe humans today are made up of various subspecies, but we are all still Homo sapiens.
33Crazydude 1 month ago
@33Crazydude For any other species that would be honourable, reasonable, orthodox and scientifically correct. This idea that the existence of intermediates disproves the existence of sub-species would be pooh-poohed as the flim-flam that it is. Of course they're different. You study the brown ones and I'll study the beige ones and we can each officially name the other sub-species after each other, is that a deal? Pass the brandy.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
@MartinJWillett I was watching a documentary about a subspecies of black bear that has pure white fur and known as the spirit bear.
White spirit bears are the result of a recessive gene that is carried by approximately 10 percent of Kermode bears. Two bears carrying this gene can produce a white cub.
If they’re considered a subspecies then surely the difference between Europeans and African would put us in a subspecies category. Political correctness is to blame here.
33Crazydude 1 month ago
@33Crazydude Are they considered a sub-species? I would not have thought that would count, it is just a notable trait within a species.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
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It does seem to be classified as a subspecies and if you type sprit bear into Wikipedia you’ll get some interesting info about this rare animal.
Also check out Survival with Ray Mears about Bears on you tube.
You’ll love watching it and its set in British Columbia.
33Crazydude 1 month ago
@33Crazydude actually white people are cro magnums or neanderthal. Neantherdal pride worldwide. Beating homos at everything since before time. yeahhh!
MrDonneiDarko 4 days ago
i am starting a petition drive to demand an investigation into the hiring practices of both the NBA and the NFL in the US .any child could see that these blatantly racist organizations CLEARLY discriminate against those of asian ,latin american ,irish ,polish ,french,italian ,scandinavian ,jewish and english ancestry ...this obvious ,unfair and institutionalized bigotry in proffessional sports MUST STOP ..
woodenmajor 4 months ago
@woodenmajor Are you serious? Who says the NBA or NFL is discriminating??
yoshobbit 1 month ago
The hypocrisy of egalitarians is in making equality a dogma for pure ideological reasons that - without them realizing - strengthens the foundations of exactly that which they claim to oppose. It's in giving support for the principle that it's reasonable to look down on people that have inferior qualities, as that must be the reasoning behind compulsive enforcement of the idea of universal, unconditional equality. This type of phony egalitarian thinks that e.g. human rights depend on homogeny.
CorneliusFractogram 4 months ago
Fairness does not exist!
Fairness is a LIE that some use to empower crony politicians to steal from other people.
yakyakyak69 4 months ago
@yakyakyak69 Fairness has to be created. Children know that.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett Fairness is subject to interpretation and viewpoint. Children know this.
Intelligence, luck, work ethic, beauty, physical ability, parents and so are naturally varies and is NEVER "fair".
Fairness is simply a way for adult babies to whine about something they don't like so "big brother" can use force to shut the baby up. sometimes Big Brother ignores the whiner. Other times they are punished and other times they are rewarded whey Big Brother redistributes the toys.
yakyakyak69 4 months ago
I like your position, Martin. I still contend that certain races, particularly african blacks and australian aboriginals, genuinely so regress to a mean IQ so low that they are totally incapable of organised civilisation on their own. I suppose I think it's important to keep the better-off races around for the long term as a kind of insurance measure, not to mention for varieties sake. What a shame it would be to evolve intelligent life, then lose it again so quickly to something so foolish.
CitizenOccidens 4 months ago
Excellent
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PC parrots need to wake up and smell their own bullshit, our brains are made to discriminate.
myst3rix 4 months ago
@myst3rix Just ask one of these clowns to affix a negating prefix to the word discriminate and then read it aloud.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
we are not pretending we are the same. What equality means is that, as human being we should manage to live together, not only like animal competing to food, but as being that acknowledge his similarity with the others (empathy), and knows that humanity walks togethers, not apart... social interaction and empathy is what distinguish us from animals... there's room for everyone.
djosacv 4 months ago
@djosacv There has been mixing up of two quite separate meanings of the word and concept of equality, I don't think that this mixing up is accidental either. It is a deliberate clouding of the idea of being fair (100% reasonable) with accepting that there are no differences between people (total bullshit).
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
exactly... so you guys get's the point. Race is a social construct and equality, is anyone claming against it. Nevertheless humanity lives in a social constructed world. Because of this social consctruted world comes with general social principles. And one of these principles is that, although we are all different at some degree, there's something similar in all humanity, there's common ground to all of us, there's room for equality, in the sense that we share something we all human beings.
djosacv 4 months ago
@djosacv Equality is a myth, but it is a convenient myth and some people will do you extreme violence rather than admit that it is just a myth because they fear that if the stupid people get to hear about it they will be uncontrollable. That's the same kind of shit that is used to propagate religion - get the stupid people to believe a lie that those in control find convenient, and if anybody tells them that it's a lie burn them alive if you can get away with it.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett to go from a social construct to a myth you need to work on a lot of intricate stuff... by your logic, claiming something is a social construct leads to a conclusion that the same thing is a myth.. so let me take this to the edge. Language is a social construct, only animals with social interaction abilities needs to invent a language... so it's a myth... Justice is a myth, only civilization where is some kind of patterns of good behavior (like not killing the other) invent that
djosacv 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett Even technology is a myth... technology is totally a social construct of the communist, to make you addicted to it and tell you how you should live...
you logic is dumb... calling something a social construct doesn't mean it is a myth or something unwanted, it only means that the value of this thing is intricatly linked to the social substract it was consctructed. So equality isn't a myth. what we may claim is that the value of equality is bound to the society being constructed
djosacv 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett [ironic mode off]
djosacv 4 months ago
:/ Racists come in all pedigrees, the most annoying racists are the ones who think they're being liberal and multicultural while imposing on me their stereotypes of how I'm supposed to act and what I'm supposed to be sensitive to.
Laughingblades 4 months ago
@Laughingblades I suppose that says a lot about how racists are really not that big a deal any more. I can't help thinking that thirty years ago somebody would have said that the most annoying kind of racists are those who post shite through your letterbox in the morning, bricks through your window in the evening and burning petrol in the middle of the night.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett At least those guys, as rare as they are today, don't pretend that they're being politically correct and progressive. They know where they stand, and so do you, but the smarmy multicultural racists who impose their racial expectations onto you as if you're supposed to embrace and celebrate their stereotypes, then act taken aback and surprised when you don't, are the most annoying people on the planet.
Laughingblades 4 months ago
@Laughingblades They certainly sound very annoying to me. I don't think multiculturalism is a good idea. I think this country owes it to its citizens to defend their country and way of life. We have taken in too many immigrants, we have not digested the ones we have, we surely can't take any more ESPECIALLY any more of the same type who have not integrated. No more immigrants until the current lot are integrated, unless their aspirations are clearly compatible with our indigenous culture(s).
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett Every Booming American city and all American enterprises have been built & developed by the very immigrants you seem to complain about. Whoever is telling you we took in too many immigrants does not know who built this country. Without immigration most American cities will collapse. Just look at the negative population growth in any mid west state that immigrants have no desire to go to. Look at their property values, economies diminishing & crime rate rising without immigrants
MAZDAKPRODUCTION 4 months ago
@MAZDAKPRODUCTION I'm not American. I don't live in YOUR "this country", I live in mine. You do know other countries exist right? And they don't just exist to provide immigrants to increase your property prices.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett I am sorry to have assumed you live in the US. Yes I know there are around 196 countries as of today, some recognized by some & some not. What is the piece of this earth you live at called??
MAZDAKPRODUCTION 4 months ago
@MAZDAKPRODUCTION The information is hardly hidden.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett Watched a video on your profile, if that is you, the speaker mentioned he is English. So I assume its you. Then if you are English, then how about England stopping colonizing and invading other nations for the return of the promise of foreigners to not to migrate to England?? The only reason there are all kinds of foreigners there is because you bloody mo fos are raping other nations for gods sake. Dont you agree??
MAZDAKPRODUCTION 4 months ago
@MAZDAKPRODUCTION Are you trying to live down to the stereotype of the totally ignorant American?
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
equality doesn't necessarily equate to fairness. equality is a social construct in that it is not a physical thing.it binds a social group together. equality has weight in its use and functionality. race has neither of those.. It is a word that has the function of unnecessary separation. make people "not us". It is superficial. race focuses on the small differences. equality focuses on the many similarities. Obviously people are different, but how different? and does it matter one bit?
conceptualuniverse 4 months ago
clothing ourselves is a social construct, building house, cooked food, paved streets, cities, bridges & everything we use on the daily basis is part of a social construct. That does not mean it is not good. Your argument is based on a thin layer of evaporating water, Pooof its obsolete
MAZDAKPRODUCTION 4 months ago
@MAZDAKPRODUCTION Equality is a social construct, it is not a fact of nature and there is no politics and philosophy in nature either. Defining something as a social construct does not make it disappear, it allows us to understand what it is and what it isn't. Race is also a social construct, it does not exist as a valid biological category, but that is not to say that there is no biological reality behind it. There is, although the reality is more complicated than the theories of petty racists.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett Nothing exists my friend. GOD, Cell phone signals, Equality, Value of the dollar or Gold for that matter, respect for our elders, empathy, feelings of joy none have real material existence unless we want them to exist. Constructed by the social or by the person hood they exist because we choose them to. Many fans of this video would argue for existence of Corporations but when it comes to giving unnatural is unaccepted. The fact of the matter is Social construct is REALITY.
MAZDAKPRODUCTION 4 months ago
@MAZDAKPRODUCTION There is no equality in nature. You cannot construct a reality out of an aspiration. There is no more truth in the idea of human equality than there is in a fatuous statement such as Happy Christmas War is Over. People vary, and people can be grouped, and those groups vary, less than the individuals but they still vary. Always have, always will, unless we do something rather radical to enforce artificial equality.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett People might vary, be grouped & they might want to disagree but we have found it within ourselves to give each other some alienable rights and within holding of those rights we are equal. You might be very well different than me. I give you the right to hold a different opinion and not charging you for it but I exercise my right to discuss our differences politely. Persistence on differences & ignoring equal rights is laying foundation for discrimination+racism = wars,hate
MAZDAKPRODUCTION 4 months ago
The concept of a "social construct" is a social construct.
deah99 4 months ago
@deah99 Right, and this sentence is a sentence. This reply is a reply.
And this ending is unfini
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett My point is that everything in our societies, "Western" or otherwise, are social constructs. Sure, race is one. Equality is another. So are right and wrong, religion, language, "God", war, peace and everything in between. Scientific facts exist regardless of our social norms, while social values exist only by perception and agreement. Seeing that difference is the basis of modern thinking. Denying that difference is the basis of post-modern thinking. Fact and value differ.
deah99 4 months ago
Equality is a universal principle. Inequality is a social construct.
4Xderrick 4 months ago
@4Xderrick In nature there is no equality, there is at best approximate equivalence. The idea that there should be equality is artificial - a human construct, a myth, and not a universally agreed myth either. It is not a myth which makes people better people, as if any lie could be good for the person who insists upon its acceptance by others. It is a social convention, like pretending you think your friends' children look attractive.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett
The universe is built on three unifying princples: freedom, justice, and equality. Take two rose seeds. Identical in every way. The ground they are planted in nourishes them equally. It doesn't withhold some nutrients from one, whille fully nourishing the other. The rain that falls on them, falls on them equally. The sun doesn't shine it's light on one, while withholding it's light from the other. Depleting it's rays of vitamins for one, while enriching them for the..
4Xderrick 4 months ago
@4Xderrick Superstitious irrational bollocks for which not a single shred of evidence is offered or possible! This sort of faith statement has no business in any debate which involves science. Take it away. I'm not arguing bollocks today. I'll leave that for a time when I address religion.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett
I never knew basic mathematical principles and bollocks were synonymous. Hm, I guess what they say is true. Common sense ain't so common.
4Xderrick 4 months ago
@4Xderrick People are not mathematical symbols and it isn't common sense to imagine that they are, it's fucked up. Nothing in biology or nature is equal. The entire concept of equality is a human invention and your refusal to see it does not say anything good about your intelligence.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett
Anything that can be counted can be symbolized mathematically. "People" in and of itself implies more than one, depending upon the equation(context) in which it's used. Of course nothing in nature is equal. You have the stronger, the weaker. You have higher forms of intelligence, and lower forms of intelligence. Yet it rains on the just and the unjust alike, and that isn't a human invention. It is an inescapable fact of life.
4Xderrick 4 months ago
...other. Yet one grows faster, blooms more fully, lives longer. Enforced equality may be a social construct, but true equality is a universal principle.
4Xderrick 4 months ago
1) It's easy to define species. And it's actually turned out to be quite easy to show that race is not a valid taxonomy too. But that's not what is at stake here anyway, so who cares.
And noone runs around claiming that equality is biological. So who cares about that. Yes we choose to write laws that do not make a difference between two voting people. But what is the better concept to organize large groups of people, one that actually furthers opportunity rather then pre-sorting?
socrates856 4 months ago
Strawman argument.
People don't argue that social constructs are a bad/invalid thing; racists/race-realists keep appealing to pseudo-science to rationalise their prejudices, so their opponents are compelled to point out that it's not science at all, so it's a false argument. Egalitarians don't point to science to promote their views. Yes, equality is a social construct, no one denies it. But that doesn't make it undesirable; it's certainly a more benign construct than racism.
havstormer 4 months ago
@havstormer I have merely pointed out that there is no equality in biology/nature. You can't have it both ways around, appealing to science when it suits, ignoring it and appealing to politics and philosophy when it doesn't. If you play the it's-not-science-it's-a-social-construct card then you can't dismiss that play as invalid.
The shout "strawman!" only has a meaning if somebody was meant to be attacking a specific individual, but I have given up pwnage so there is no other kind of argument.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@havstormer I disapprove racism on the opposite grounds: It puts the people *within* a race much closer together than they belong. I disapprove it for its egalitarianism, not its elitism. I believe the main motivation of the racist is not to believe his tribe to be superior. It's the fear of having no tribe at all.
john42t 4 months ago
Segregation is only bad if it's forced; integration is only good if it isn't.
th3giv3r 4 months ago
Wonderful video.
TheBiggestWolf 4 months ago
Enviornment plays alot on human behavior.
Hotwatty 4 months ago
@Hotwatty Does it explain why you think "alot" is a word?
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett You made me laugh out loud at you pointing out the missing space between a and l.
Hotwatty 4 months ago
I had roughly the same thoughts, but you have worded them perfectly. Fantastic piece you made here.
rhettrongun 4 months ago
Race is whatever you regard as enough difference to distinguish one group from another.
Equality is about whatever you regard is enough similarity to make differences trivial.
Equality is nNOT about saying everyone is the same. Why would we promote diversity if we believed diversity didn't exist?
A better word is simply 'fairness'.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@superhamzah85 Fairness means equality of opportunity, not a bland sameness of outcome achieved by stifling the best and the brightest with quotas.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago 9
@MartinJWillett
I don't think most people would disagree with you when it comes to positive discrimination. The fact is, people DO recruit based on things other than ability. Just a reality. The only way to be absolutely sure is completely anonymous interviews and applications. So that ONLY ability can be assessed.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
We still don't understand a lot about our psychology. We give things names, like charisma, charm, weird, creepy. But we essentially, don't know how we judge people subtly, sometimes without even knowing it.
superhamzah85 4 months ago
@superhamzah85 Egalitarianism is about saying everyone is *worth* the same. The call for diversity carefully avoids value judgements. In fact it's usually the opposite because often values correlate with secondary features such as skin color (not for genetic reasons, in my opinion) and then a call for diversity becomes a thinly veiled call against values. Observe how no one calls for diversity in countries that are poor.
john42t 4 months ago
It's sad that the stuff you said in the last minute even had to be said.
fringeelements 4 months ago 10
The main thing the "left" are trying to say is that it is wrong to assign characteristics to individuals based on their "race" (I'm not sure which term to use anymore :)), and that is because individuals can be anywhere on their "race" bell-curves, which are very close for all "races".
Sumkin91 4 months ago
@Sumkin91 That is what I am saying. The bell curves overlap significantly. If you want to employ a clever accountant recruit somebody who is qualified and experienced, not just a man called Goldberg. If you want a porn star ask to see his penis, don't hire him on his colour and assume. It is assuming which is the problem. And the reason that the black kid didn't score as well on his test can't be assumed to be because his ability was being hidden by racial prejudice - he may be just be thick.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett That was more of a response to the people who think that because your video is against that of zomgcris, you automatically defend racism (or at least a milder pseudo scientific version of racism).
I should have known better though, because this subject is loaded with politics and politics is the mind killer.
Sumkin91 4 months ago
@Sumkin91 She assumed that because I made a video entitled Race Surrealists that I was a race realist. No, I object to bullshit no matter how well-meaning it is. You don't really need to argue against transparent bullshit because it is transparently bullshit, it is the arguments that are appealing but wrong which need to be addressed. Not many people fall for Nazi lies these days, but people do fall for liberal PC lies.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett She strikes me as someone who tries too hard.
Sumkin91 4 months ago
@Sumkin91 Good call. Being right on is a trap.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett Just to be more clear: race IS in fact a useful concept when dealing with populations, but it IS NOT correct on individuals. Statistics 101
Sumkin91 4 months ago
@Sumkin91 That's really a form of basic logic. There are factors which determine which individual things belongs to a group, and there are traits common within that group. Gerald the penguin is a bird, but Gerald does not fly or lay eggs in a nest in a tree, but he is feathered, warm-blooded, has hollow bones and he has a beak. You can't extrapolate all common traits from the group to all members of the group, only universal traits, which are often not the ones of interest to you.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
It couldn't be put with anymore clarity than this. Well done.
Beware, the illogical deniers will always use the rare example to try and disprove a common pattern.For example, this siamese twin has 2 heads therefore we must not say humans are born with one head.
JohnPurchaseArt 4 months ago
I tend to judge people on how they behave, these things have elements of a social construct about them. If people don't believe in races then there can't be any real racist, and if it's down to social constructs then there is little true gain from the word racist. I guess we can expect people to mold their ideals around what's expedient to their opinions at a specific time and place.
abjectreality 4 months ago
The last line was very articulate. Absolutely right.
rahotep101 4 months ago
things has progressed so fricken far out of line that now, in Sweden, genders are becoming an extinct feature in society. We have now a trained staff of degenerate "gender bender" monkeys trying to meld the genders in to one -no pink toy horses for girls and no blue squirt guns for the boys, cuz they reinforce the "typical gender construct". Effin unbelievable... they think this is the reson behind the social inequalites in societies between the genders... geez, it's crappin downhill now...
Paxmax 4 months ago
@CIAtheist Exactly, race surrealism is this crazy idea that races don't exist scientifically, all people are equal, except racists, who are unevolved pondscum, and that's the scientific consensus, saying otherwise is Officially Incorrect, and makes you a Nazi, wrong, stupid, racist, unscientific poor white trash. And if you want to say otherwise you'll need to be able to quote chapter and verse from a peer reviewed journal. No not that one, everybody knows that's been debunked and he's a Nazi.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
i dint undrstand the big words but i like the purrdy colourz (:
rororonan 4 months ago
"So is equality"
So is religion. Social constructs can be good bad or neutral (like money). The point is there's no biological difference in the brain, the only part that matters. Human brains are exceptionally plastic, and can adapt to almost any culture and language. You see differences in skills because we still separate ourselves by culture, language, and looks. One or two generations without the borders and the construct will crumble. I say good riddance.
andid 4 months ago
@andid What do you mean there is no difference in the brain? That sounds awfully like a faith statement to me. You need (politically) for there to be equality somewhere, so it must be there in the brain and you will not accept otherwise, if it isn't there somebody is lying. No. There is no must about it. Equality is a social construct, a myth, a human fabrication. Brains vary just like everything else in biology. Human brains are similar, not identical, expecting equality isn't rational.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
It is not common sense, but the sense that is not common. A construct is the very thing we see, but what we notice are mostly abstract concepts.
DemocraticEmpire 4 months ago
The entire human genome project rests on diversity between races.
BaileysBeads 4 months ago
I jumped on board this channel for the Islamic criticisms and atheism, but dammit martin you've sparked my interest in a number of things. i would never have thought about racial differences. i don't agree with you entirely in your criticism. in the same way i wouldn't support you fighting for a nazi's freedom of speech. yes it is a science and yes they have the right.... but do the pros outweigh the cons in either scenario? no to the nazi's but a small maybe to race realism.
MsReefmaster 4 months ago
No expense is too great if it helps to bring equality to all the races which don't exist.
MunchyMcNipples 4 months ago
@MunchyMcNipples Amen brother!
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
Good video yet again. Thumbs up
TheRenekruse 4 months ago
I'm not attacking or defending race-realism but it seems to me you are to a large degree arguing against straw-men.
Who is seriously arguing that equality exists biologically or that everyone is "the same" or advocating faking evidence or ostracising people just for doing studies to see if it's true?
That's seems like caricature of most anti-race-realists.
shlockofgod 4 months ago
@shlockofgod While of course there's no caricaturing of anybody done by the leftist-scientific-cite-it-or-it-isn't true-you-Nazi-scum-bastards bunch is there?
The left want to claim races officially don't exist and "therefore" everybody is equal and if you say otherwise you're an ignorant lying KKK-supporting Nazi in denial.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - human equality is an extraordinary claim - biology doesn't work like that. Produce the extraordinary evidence.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago 19
@MartinJWillett "While of course there's no caricaturing of anybody done by the leftist-scientific-cite-it-or-it-isn't true-you-Nazi-scum-bastards bunch is there?"
There certainly is but that's irrelevant to my point.
"The left ..." is too broad. You have to refute specific arguments, not groups.
"human equality...extraordinary claim - biology doesn't work like that."
I assume you mean the idea that all races have equal intelligence, abilities and so on. I think this is about moral equality
shlockofgod 4 months ago
@shlockofgod Of course it's about moral equality! The left are quite happy to allow the two concepts to get thoroughly mixed up, by denying racial differences, especially in IQ, and trumpeting equality and the supposed non-existence of races it is very easy to see them claiming that all groups are the same, have the same IQ, or would have if it wasn't for prejudice. But nobody has ever PROVED equality among people, and when you try to pin people down they retreat from ever making such a claim.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@shlockofgod actually many(if not all) of examples are VERY REAL. Many scientist has been shunned academically for just pointing out the obvious. Race deniers play the "RACIST CARD" as soon as someone points out that "damn, these folks has problems adapting to our way of living" or "they can't jump through the hoops of academia like others". People has been whipped mentally to blindly accept that "all people are equal" when in fact we are/behave/preform/look different because of genetic drift.
Paxmax 4 months ago 13
@Paxmax "People has been whipped mentally to blindly accept that "all people are equal" when in fact we are/behave/preform/look different because of genetic drift."
You mean to blindly accept that "all RACES are equal", right. No one's arguing that all people are EQUAL. They'd have to be clones. What does equal mean in this context? There's so much ambiguity and equivocation going on on both sides.
I have to know exactly what "all people are equal" means to know whether I agree or not.
shlockofgod 4 months ago
@shlockofgod Exactly, when people are put on the spot they retreat from the claim that all people are equal because there is nothing to back it up except faith, which to a scientist is not a virtue but gross professional misconduct.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@shlockofgod race deniers go out of their way to, for example, blame away the (on avg) poorer educational performance of africans: "It must be socio-economic factors", "the teachers can't communicate properly", "must be discrimination within the study material", "they aren't given the same opportunities", "they always end up in 'bad' schools"... ad nauseum. Cuz it's common knowledge that IT CAN'T BE because they have relative smaller brains? right or what?
Paxmax 4 months ago
@Paxmax "...ame opportunities", "they always end up in 'bad' schools"... ad nauseum. Cuz it's common knowledge that IT CAN'T BE because they have relative smaller brains? right or what?"
I don't know what you're talking about. You seem to be having both sides of a debate.
"equal as in "given the same set of circumstances preform equally as good" in: every possible mental or physical faculty... on average."
No one's equal in that way. Who is arguing that? Please don't say "the left".
shlockofgod 4 months ago
@shlockofgod I apologize, in the heat of things I totally forgot that sarcasm can't travel through texts that well. In western countries in general, especially in northern Europe, you cannot have a career within politics or mainstream media if you cling to the fact that some groups of people from some parts of the world are really poorly adapted mentally to a secular western lifestyle. The multi-culti-huggers go out of their way trying to deny it and sweep everything under the rug.
Paxmax 4 months ago
@shlockofgod equal as in "given the same set of circumstances preform equally as good" in: every possible mental or physical faculty... on average. Many readily accept that, for example, some africans, can certainly excel in many sports, but same people has a REALLY HARD TIME admitting, or it's almost CRIMINAL to say that they are not (on average) as intelligent... Because somehow western society has deemed it so very insulting, to the degree that people will be persecuted for it.
Paxmax 4 months ago
I agree with you, but I differ with some race realist in the fact that the concept of intelligence is also a social construct that favors certain types of people who's cultures will produce the most likely combination of character that embody those traits.
If evolution didn't stop at the neck why would any other aspects of nature stop at the mind ?
Something about what race realist say about intelligence sounds off to me despite their detractors claims ..
Curas1 4 months ago
@Curas1 I'm not a race realist so I can't answer for them.
The "IQ tests don't measure anything except skill at passing IQ tests" people are wrong, IQ correlates with income. Clearly there is scope for feedback in both directions (IQ measures intelligence, which is something which lets you earn more - individually and as a society - being richer helps you educate and feed your children better which boosts their IQ). Only looking at one direction of feedback is wrong.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett Are you a species realist? Or a realist with regard to anything in reality? Or is everything, to you, social?
I regard both race and species are genetic constructs. Systems that strive to impose either racial equality or racial superiority are social. Race itself is real.
LibertarianRealist 4 months ago
@LibertarianRealist What we call races are difficult to define biologically, and nobody gains anything by managing to do it and lots of people think they can somehow destroy racism if the term can be removed from biology. OK, fine, call it a social construct then, but admit that human equality is also a construct, if not a myth.
Of course races are based on a real genetic phenomenon, but pinning them down precisely is difficult, and as they don't want to succeed the task has been abandoned.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
@MartinJWillett What we call rock formations are difficult to define geologically, and nobody gains anything by managing to do it...except a greater, if imperfect, understanding of the various kinds of rocks in the world. It's not fine to call naturally occurring geologic variation a social construct; nor is it fine in my view to call biologically occurring racial variation among humans a social construct. It isn't. Embracing social constructivism and rejecting realism doesn't make you clever.
LibertarianRealist 4 months ago 3
@LibertarianRealist I'm not embracing it. I just know that as a bloke who works in a shop I can't prove that races exist to somebody who who sits in a university deciding which other people in universities are unscientific Nazis. I can no more get them to admit they are wrong about races than the Vatican would accept proof on transubstantiation. They work by different rules, they believe they are utterly right and moral and their opponents are evil and they control what counts as an argument.
MartinJWillett 4 months ago
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HeyRuka 4 months ago