John Key - Video Journal 26 on election finance 'reforms'

[BradV8]

Labour built a prison - (one.. even tho we need hundreads) anyway. It went TWO TIMES OVER BUDGET - THEN! the project manager had the balls to give him self a huge bonus. Great use of our tax again. Just another great example.

[BradV8]

Also Labour have free use of gvt dept staff (free as in our taxs) While national as they are not in gvt (yet) rely on help. I think you need to read up on this bill a little more.

[hunty571]

But given that National is traditionally supported by big business(who have deep pockets)

does that not mean that the scrum is all ready screwed in nationals favor?

[BradV8]

Nope - this law will mean u or I cannot tell others what we think of the gvt! Are we in commy China? NO!

[hunty571]

there is a difference between telling others and launching well funded large advertising campaigns imo.

[BradV8]

You think because others have money its ok for Labour to nick or wrongfully use taxs payer $ to fund Labour campaigns and even have the balls to then make it illegal and much harder for non Labour (While also using gvt depatments budgets to go 100% campaigning for Labour (as thr budgets dont count as Labours spending...

[hunty571]

were labour the only ones that over spent their budget?and wouldn't national have been well over their budget if they had have known that exclusive bretheren were spending x amount in an ad campain(which there seems to be some evidence to suggest they may have known)?.

[BradV8]

Yea and then Labour wer the only one that tryed to sneeky out of paying it back! Your only pet hate of the National Party is that some of its suporters have money. Thats a sad sad way to view things. You should look at and hear KEy instead of insulting before hearing him. He makes sence. Not like Helen and Cullen who change ther minds all the time. i.e say what ever u wanna hear to stay in power... good idea. nope.

[hunty571]

well if national knew about the money exclusive brethren were spending, but denied that they did

because it may have put them well over the spending limit(and then pointed the finger at other ppl that over spent) wouldn't that be sneeky?and i am trying to look at key and hear him and so far it seems hes talking alot but not saying much.Also i dont hate ppl with money, but i do hate the idea of money being the key factor to winning or losing an election.

[BradV8]

No they didnt. And hell even if they did - they are people of NZ that felt they wanted to help "out" helen. Are you telling me- they shouldnt be allowed to voice ther opinion just because they have a bit of cash and dont like Labour. So your saying if your anti Labour your not allowed to speak out agaisnt them. This isnt China mate. Would you like National telling YOU! You cant help Labour and suport your views! I think not! This is a free land.

[hunty571]

exactly this is a free land, so what is fair about one person (if they have say a billion dollars) being able to buy all the advertising avaliable while one other person (who has only one hundred dollars) only being able put one ad in the local paper for an election campaign?im curious as to how this bill takes away everyones freedom of speech rather than just limit how much they can spend on telling the rest of the world their view.

[BradV8]

Labour only want to control us! They wanna imput more law - to control us, how we spend, how we earn, how we think, even how we raise our kids! DO u want the gvt telling you how to live? National want a free healthy NZ - with us make our own calls. Not some "know nothing" from welly.

[hunty571]

if your that worried about being controlled and living healthy, throw your tv away so you and your family are not exposed to a ton of advertisements from the likes of fast food chains, or soft drink companies convincing you to go and buy sugary fatty unhealthy rubbish that you dont need.Actually aren't big business such as these traditional supporters of national?.But yeah bring on the free healthy NZ, so how were national going to achieve that for us then?

[BradV8]

Also Labour are the ones that well over spent .. so who had the well funded advertising campaigns..? Woops mayb you really should read up before backing the wrong team. I know many Labour backers (i.e morrons) Who think Helen has WAY over stepd the mark this time.

[hunty571]

And i think the amount of money a group of ppl have should not determine the outcome of an election,especially given the large gap of have and have nots in this country.But your right i definitely need to read up on this bill and a lot of other things,maybe

you can enlighten me with the great wisdom you seem to have.

[FBRK8R]

Anti-terrorism laws are also a slippery slope John, so why are you supporting them?