We Used To Call Them Zombie Banks! They're Really Vampire Banks! Naomi Klein

[JixMa]

I love Naomi Klein and Dylan Ratigan, too, for that matter. This was a great, informative video.

[Tressco]

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes.

Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."

- Napoleon Bonaparte

[Tressco]

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

- Henry Ford

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks."

- Lord Acton

[MooseOfReason]

If you've read Naomi Klein's book, 'Shock Doctrine', read the article "Defaming Milton Friedman" by Jonah Norberg.

It corrects some wrongful accusations made in the book.

[erato99]

Government causes problems, they don't solve them. We are fucked as a nation...

Dismantle the Fed. We are slaves to the elite bankers.

[mrzack888]

did Naomi Klein get plastic surgery, cuz she kinda look hot in this clip.

[drunkenboxer1985]

lol 6 lbs of make-up

[mrzack888]

good. also investigate 9/11 after this fed bill gets passed.

[ReliableInsider]

Deregulation allows too-big-to-fail banks to form.

In other words, deregulation doesn't create a free market. Republican-style lobbyist-directed deregulation actually short-circuits the entire free-market system.

[wdcsucks1]

the best way to rob a bank is to create one!

[boots920]

Gold looks good for the the short term but keep track of the silver ratio , silver could be as rare as gold above ground.

Gold is at least rarer than paper , and paper is rarer than digital currency.

Why shouldn't government counterfeit money to cover up they various debacles ?

It turns life long savings into toilet paper.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Hey there boots

Not sure if I pointed this out to you, but a rather good multi-part interview on the reason for all your complaints.

The issue is unregulated currency trading.

watch?v=PNbgvyb0o-I

And that exploitive "game" would still continue to work, even if we had a gold standard.

[boots920]

Sure it would because you wouldn't know if the government counterfeiting money had the gold or not.

The ponzi scam of trading gold or silver for paper has been going on since the 1400's.

That's why if you're going to save in precious metal make sure its physical otherwise you could get caught up in the ponzi.

You don't know you've been duped until it happens there's no compensation for the victim.

What would you take a 1oz gold coin now or 100 Trillion US in a single note 10 years from now ?

[phuckery4you1958]

When the whole thing crashes I have been wondering how gold could be used as currency. How do you get change for a loaf of bread paid for with an ounce of gold? A dollars worth of gold would be practically a sliver, I was thinking of buying silver chains where I could cut links out of equal to what I wanted to buy. Other people have suggested booze and cigarettes could be used as currency.

[Gilliatt83]

At least they talked about Dr. Paul attempt. Thanks for the up load

[greyflcn]

Still though, I get Paul's logic that the Federal Reserve is bad because it's

1. Big

2. Private

3. Secretive

What I don't get however is his argument that to replace it we need to turn it over to a speculation market thats:

1. Big

2. Private

3. Secretive

If anything, I would take a Kucinich approach, and make it so that the Federal Reserve, is truly a federal program.

[Gilliatt83]

Amen

[boots920]

The only Federal Program I'm interested in is called Freedom, Liberty the pursuit of happiness.

Right now the Federal Government is sponsoring a Flu shot program with questionable safety on the Flu shot.

They've done the same debacle in 1976 ?

What good is government if their main goal is to kill the taxpayer though subversive means ?

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Their "main goal" with flu shots is to kill US citizens?

Come now, you don't need to go retard mode on us.

[boots920]

The flu shot has 0 benefit, 0 nadda its more harmful than getting the disease.

Unless you can provide a link to a government healthcare site that shows the 3 year safety trials on a untested vaccine ? The frickin assholes never even did tests on children and pregnant women yet they promote it as safe.

Who pay for it "taxpayers" - subversion of law

They might as well shoot me into a freshly digged ditch.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Incidentally,

I wonder, clearly you're a libertarian.

Question is however, what type of libertarian are you:

watch?v=0PaN9M4WwHw#t=0m38s

watch?v=KUDV0YII6lk#t=0m58s

[boots920]

Stop labeling people, I'm a human being that's observing a Federal Government that's not following its own constitution.

Gold, Silver is legal tender in the USA so anything else like Federal Reserve Notes undermines "The rule of LAW".

US Constitution, don't follow the rule of law you run into problems like the present debacle going on right now.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

But that can't be the issue, because I already pointed out that

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 &5 invalidate your argument.

And that Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1 is a restriction on States, not the federal government.

So if that's not the reason, clearly you must have some other reason.

[boots920]

That's why they took out Kennedy he was trying to abolish the counterfeiters.

(Red Seal Notes dated 1963 backed by silver) LBJ the war criminal took them out of circulation.

Right now the USA is in 1923 Germany already cities like Detroit have been taken out with neither a bomb dropped or bullet fired.

IRS = Never properly ratified

Central Bank the FED subverted the US Constitution

Even if you wanted to "fix" it the counterfeiting has caused so much damage that it looks hopeless.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Well my question is

Where specifically in the constitution does it say that the Federal government is restricted from using a central bank.

And don't tell me Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1. Since you know that's not a restriction on the federal government.

Just because you don't like something doesn't automatically make it unconstitutional.

[boots920]

Not so much with the central bank its more of deceiving US citizens that the US Federal Reserve note is money.

Money has to be gold and silver because you can't counterfeit it .

Currency is open to counterfeiting.

Hey if I could buy a double eagle with a $20 US Fed Note I couldn't back up my observation.

Gold Price $1150 in US Currency should buy 57 double eagles.

Like Ron Paul said something like the American people won't react until they see the currency become worthless.

1923 Germany ?

[greyflcn]

@boots920

So the constitution says that the Federal government can't make paper currency?

Where?

[boots920]

Article 1, Section 10

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance , or Confederation: grant Letters of marque or Reprisal; COIN Money; emit Bills of Credit; make anything but GOLD and SILVER Coin a Tender in PAYMENT of debts...

By paying your taxes in Fed Notes it subverts the US constitution.

If the Federal Government doesn't follow their own LAW I would suggest that the Federal government doesn't follow the rule of law.

Bills of credit aren't legal tender so the fed note is counterfeit.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

You're ignoring the first part however.

"No state shall .... make anything..."

States don't have the power to create currency.

However the federal Congress does.

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5

[boots920]

Yep the Federal Government can create currency but it can't be a bill of credit like the US fed note.

Other wise how can the person living in a state pay their taxes with legal tender.

The reason for gold and silver as legal tender is so the government doesn't counterfeit or isn't open to the prospect of counterfeiting.

You can't have it both ways gold and silver is legal tender that's why the US Federal government produced gold and silver certificates so one can pay taxes legally.

[boots920]

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5

To Coin MONEY , regulate the value thereof, and of foreign COIN, and fix the standard of Weights and Measures;

1 oz of Gold (Double Eagle) = $20 US

Gold Price at $1150 = 57 double eagles

Proves the US currency is in hyper-inflation, is a bill of credit (because you can't weight a $20 piece of paper)

US Federal Reserve Note = Bill of Credit = Counterfeit

US citizens can't pay their taxes with bills of credit ?

No matter the US Constitution isn't in effect...

[greyflcn]

@boots920

So for instance, lets say they create a Nickel.

And the value of the Nickel is set higher or lower than the commodity value of the metal it's made out of.

Is that unconstitutional?

If not, then why not paper?

Also, rather interesting reading A1/S10/C1

Notice how it says "no state shall; coin money"

And then "make anything but gold and silver coin"

It seems more like a loophole to the "states can't coin money" portion.

Also keep in mind, the usage of the word coin here, is a verb.

[boots920]

I didn't see the word nickel in the US constitution ?

Counterfeiting currency out of nickel isn't constitutional money.  Coin gold , silver .

That's why so many silver coins and gold coins were made.

So when a hamster taxpayer went into the bank he could turn his "paper" into the real thing.

The scam was exposed in 1971 when Nixon ended the gold backing of the US dollar.

So the entire global money system turned into a "bill of credit system".

As Ron Paul said that system has now ended

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Indeed, it doesn't mention nickel.

However that's the point,

The constitution doesn't mention any restriction on what material the federal congress can use to "coin money" and "regulate the value thereof".

[boots920]

make anything but GOLD and SILVER Coin a Tender in PAYMENT of debts...

Didn't see the word paper there did you ?

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Didn't see the word "Congress" there either.

Also since you seem so fond of implying your own semantic meaning, perhaps I should point out I didn't see the word "anything" either.

[boots920]

Good thing the US fed note wasn't around in the golden age of pirates.

Can you imagine:

Pirate = give me all your gold ya scurvy dog.. or I'll make you walk the plank

Taxpayer = Here's a Federal Reserve Note Mr. Pirate

Arrggg no bills of credit arrrggg

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Well if you know your history. The issue was that each state had it's own currency.

And the federal government then made it illegal for states to issue their own currency.

However clearly they had the intention that the federal government could issue currency in the A1/S8/C5

"To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin"

[boots920]

Coin Money not counterfeit money eh Amigo ?

Not only is the USA toast the entire global money system is toast.

Nixon ending the gold backing of the US dollar in 1971 ensured the staged EVENT we are witnessing now.

If you think I'm going to keep my life savings in frickin paper you're sadly mistaken.

The ponzi is global all world leaders are deceiving their citizens. Otherwise they would reject the US dollar in trade.

Its a frickin "Bill of Credit" what do you thinks going to happen ?

[greyflcn]

@boots920

For instance, could it be quite possible that this is the true semantic meaning of that sentence?

No state shall...; **MANUFACTURE** any Thing but gold and silver Coin a **CURRENCY** in Payment of Debts

[boots920]

That's the problem

Money can be represented by currency (silver certificate)

But money can't be represented by "Bill of credit"

I 'm just saying that the US Federal Reserve Note is a bill of credit it can't even be represent legal US currency unless the Federal government deceives its own taxpayers.

Now I'm just making the observation but the gold price in US Fednotes proves my point.

If the US Fed Note was legal tender $20 in paper would buy 1 oz of gold.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Is it perhaps possible that your definition of "money" doesn't mean what you think it means?

merriam- webster. com/ dictionary/MONEY

[boots920]

That's an excellent point :

Money is open to interpretation when you use the dictionary for "rule of law".

The founding fathers were quite specific in their interpretation of money to them it was coined, gold, silver.

Specifically no "bills of credit".

It wasn't until 1913 that the legal definition of US money or legal tender could be found in a merriam-wesbster dictionary.

Bad thing about using dictionaries instead of constitutions is that your country implodes like now ?

Eh gov. employee ?

[greyflcn]

@boots920

If "money" were supposed to be synonymous with "commodity metal".

Why would the congress be given the ability to regulate it's value

And why would it's value be different than the value of a "foreign" money, if it's commodity metal content were the definition of it's value?

Doesn't an object with a regulated value, regardless of what it's made out of, by definition refer to a "currency" ?

[boots920]

Why ?

I guess to debase the currency when they needed to run endless sandbox wars. Remember their the idiots that are suppose to declare war ?

"Currency" can only be based on something of value ?

Like with present fiat currency its only as valuable as the government it represents .

That's why its in hyper-inflation the taxpayin hamster public puts more faith in the real thing rather than inept government.

Who wants to be stuck with paper backed by counterfeiters ?

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Yes "Why"

Since I'm not referring to anything that happened in 1913

I'm referring to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 of the Constitution.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Sandbox wars?

You do realize I'm referring to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3, right?

Not any sort of change in 1913.

It doesn't make sense that section 8 gives congress the ability to make currency, and then imply that section 10 blocks that ability.

I don't think the founders would be that stupid.

[greyflcn]

clause 5

[boots920]

I don't think the founders would be that stupid ?

I don't think the founding fathers thought the taxpayers could get that stupid.

Just in case "no bills of credit" was put in there.

A silver or gold certificate isn't a bill of credit is it ?

US having a central bank you might as well start calling taxpayers comrade.

I could be wrong but this is why I believe the gold price is so high. Without sound money there's no individual freedom big bro takes care of everything including "free" flu shots.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

Yes, this is getting to be a bit boring.

Article 1, Section 8

CONGRESS CAN MAKE MONEY

Article 1, Section 10

STATES CAN NOT MAKE MONEY (or anything like money)

EXCEPT FOR GOLD AND SILVER COINS

How hard is that to understand?

[boots920]

Its not hard to understand

The Federal Reserve Note = "Bill of Credit"

Its not money, you need money to pay your taxes not "bill of credit".

It will all make sense when you start using $100 US Fed Notes to wipe your ass with.

[greyflcn]

@boots920

As I keep saying, AS DEFINED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

Money has the same meaning as Currency.

It is not your special definition of "commodity metal".

What's more, in Section 1, Article 10.

You keep implying that the word "Make" is the same as "Allow"

When it's pretty obvious, that it has a more similar meaning to "Manufacture".

The problem here is that you're making up your own personal definition of the Constitution. One where Section 10 would directly contradict Section 8.

[boots920]

Article 1 Section 8 clause 5

"To COIN Money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign COIN, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures.

Enlighten me how much value does a $20 Federal Reserve note worth have ? What do you compare it to to get that number ?

Weights and Measures so many grams of ? = $20 US