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  • mostly they dont hear, see or feel like we do fizzicly, it is a conversation of minds where the medium to the best of there ability shifts there awarenes

    of focus away from the randon thoughts that the logical mind thinks and then is more aware of the influence of the spirit world where yes the medium can make mistakes when the logical mind comes in, but yes they can also receive information that the mind of the medium is cabible of.

  • darren brown says he is faking it. how is he faking it he doesnt explain how he is compaired to how a medium. ever watched privite psychic eye where mediums unravel unsolved murders with great evidence and facts bringing new evidence and ending up in re opening the cases and eventualy bringing closure to the cases. Yes there are fake people out there but yes there also genuine good mediums.

  • Love it when douche bags fuck with clear, level headed inteligent people like dprjones and end up looking like absolute tool's.

    Bring em' on i say, it makes for great viewing.

  • Just John Edward..and some others.

  • I don't know what will be in part 2 but in part 1 nothing really was said about it. It's describe better on wikipedia. I appreciate the effort, though. But part 1 is just useless to me.

  • I do believe in psychics..not John Edwards..he's such an obvious fraud.

  • @MsNickiLover Oh, I see... So you prefer the not-so-obvious frauds?

  • @MsNickiLover theres not really any evidence in favor of psychicism

  • Derp a Derp a doodlie Derp.

  • @Podifo I knew you were gonna say that!

  • Only Hannity would have this conman on his show and not rip him a new asshole.

  • I found a pussy!

  • use a popscreen for your mic next time

  • Derren Brown Nails it.

  • john edward=piece of shit

  • dprjones...you must be the biggest idiot. Do you think THAT'S what does it for people?? "Has your dad passed" is what you're using as an example?? You must be a moron. You are one of those people who argued that the world was flat too!

  • @sunlion77 What on Earth are you talking about? Flat Earth? Did you even watch the video?

  • @AzukrDaddy the basic idea of cold reading is to take information by say a persons age. if someone is maybe 60 or 70 you could say "ok so im getting what feels like a strong bond a very good freind perhapse" see because I know this person is old I know that they have probably lost a good freind but even if that person didnt see them as a good freind you could still act like that person cared but didnt like to show it or say it was a pet or relative this gives the illusion that you are psychic.

  • 210 people believe is psychics.

  • John Edward (like John Edwards) is pure evil if he can sit there and flat out like so calmly.

  • Try and say what happens later in the vid, the fake cold reading, is any different from Edwards or that Sylvia Brown lady is any different

  • no+never=yes

  • "Has your dad passed?" and "Your dad has passed, yes?" Are completely different. First one implies that you do not know the answer so you are asking FOR the answer. The second one is CONFIRMING the answer which you imply you already know. If the first one was asked and they said no then nothing more is thought of. If however the second one is asked and the answer is no then it will have more of an impact as he would appear wrong while first you can't be wrong.

  • @ShaneLang - "Your dad has passed, yes?" - "NO" - "Oh ok. Has someone close to him passed? Because I'm feeling a strong link between your father and someone passing." It's called turning a MISS into a HIT by continuing to fish for information.

  • I've heard of dprjones, but this is my first "dprjones video." The audio is uneven between segments. (Just trying to help. My one and only video kinda sucks, but the audio is even. ;) )

  • and that really is the main point I try to make here. Over-medication is indeed a problem for some, but those incidents are to be blamed on the individual physician responsible for just throwing prescriptions at the problem instead of treatment. that is where the discretion lies and that is where most major pharmaceutical problems stem from.

  • "it's called a con" never mind the skill involved and years to be as good as some people are lol

  • @xirishmagicx know how much talent a good on takes? it depends on how it is used. if you do it to literally fool people and misguide them for monetary gain from more than just entertainment value, it is a con.

  • @Exarian Yeah I agree. But it's still a skill. I mean when it comes to pickpocketing people say, "The lowly pick-pocket." When in reality, it takes a very long time and dedication to be a skillful pick-pocket. So yeah, on one side it's a complete "con" but on another side, it's a carefully honed skill that takes dedication and time. What do you mean by "more than just entertainment" ?

  • @xirishmagicx I agree that it is a very fine skill, but people like psychic consultants use it to convince clients they have power and that their advisory over their life decisions are a wise investment. at that point, they are just making you dependant on their counsel and will charge every step of the way.

  • They aren't making you do anything. They're selling just like pharmaceutical companies sell their bullshit drugs. I think psychics are wrong because there's a line between entertainment and trauma. And when someone has lost a close friend or family member, it hurts beyond measure. And to have these psychics collect some rent on people's trauma and emotional distress is absolutely satanic if you ask me. I think we totally agree. Psychics are great entertainment as long as they admit to it. : )

  • @xirishmagicx say what you will about pharma, but at least they are forthcoming about the shortcomings, lol. 

  • @Exarian Not really.

  • @xirishmagicx they make research methodology and results, the approval hearings, exactly what the medication does, and how, and negative side effects completely available to the general public. they allow the general public to view the transcripts and details of the clinical trials, and they meticulously document every step of the way to the point that you would be able to spot a lie with some simple research. I don't know how much more forthcoming something can be.

  • You're right. : )

  • However, the whole field of psychiatry is based on the "chemical imbalance" theory which has never been definitely validated as true. So whatever medicine that gets shot into the mainstream is flawed based on the flawed theory. There are significantly more harmful (sometimes permanent) side-effects to any medicine than good. Including suicidal or homicidal thoughts and actions. So the idea that you're defending them is both absolutely disgusting .. . . . but also really intriguing to me. : )

  • @xirishmagicx fisst of all, no, that is only the medical model of psychiatry, and even that has more to it than chemical imbalances. No, not most of them don't have the horriffic side effects, you're being caught up in the media hype about the suicide thing. They cannot cause suicidal thoughts, and they only make it more likely if the person was already suicidal. also, no, the description of the side effects are far overstated. Perhaps you should do some more research yourself.

  • @Exarian Perhaps you're right. Perhaps you're really wrong. Let me ask, how long have you or your family members been on medication? Maybe a sister or brother or maybe mom? You tell me. . .

  • @xirishmagicx I have been on budeprion, an antidepressant, to even out my PTSD for over a year. it recently went generic and it only costs me 10 bucks per month now. not one side effect. Of course, I don't just pop the pills and call it a day. that is missing the point of psychiatric medication entirely. that won't do anyone any good. it is like taking cholesterol medication but not exercising or eating right.

  • @Exarian I figured that you took medication. And ptsd. . .. that's really tough stuff my friend. I hope that you get increasingly happier with everything. I really mean that. I have a friend who came back from Iraq all messed up. I can't possibly understand that. Be well

  • @xirishmagicx Nothing as bad as theirs. It was parental abuse that caused it, but with treatment, I can deal with it now. See, before I started the treatment, I was suffering from agoraphobia caused by the PTSD. with therapy from a local non profit, I was able to take steps towards being functional again. the medication truly did help eve out the effects to a manageable level so that I could be able to go about recovering. they only prescribed the bare minimum that worked for me. unlike a pusher

  • @xirishmagicx At one time I would have argued with you, but anti-depressants have NEVER worked for me. I've struggled with depression since puberty. (And yes, I was depressed when I was still a Christian.)

  • Yeah it's really not arguable anymore is it? I mean virtually no one who is on medication benefits from it and they're told that they are. This is just a low form of hypnosis. Never mind any positive things that any one individual might be experiencing in any other part of his life to make him happy, no way, it's only the drug. I mean most people simply feel relieved after receiving medication because they've finally feel like they've done something to get better but they're killing themselves.

  • @xirishmagicx The double-blind studies seem to indicate there are benefits to anti-depressants. 20% of patients have "treatment-resistant" depression. (I fall into that category.)

    My anecdotal experience can't be used to disprove anti-depressants. Let's just say I've become a bit suspicious in the last couple of years. I'd like to see more studies.

    I've been on anti-depressants for over 20 years. They don't seem to help, but I'm afraid to go off them. (Withdrawal symptoms are beyond awful.)

  • Yeah i totally see where you're coming from. Unfortunately all the studies are funded by the pharmaceutical companies themselves most of the time. So besides the obvious, deceitful bias we have all the factors of how the studies are actually performed. How many of the participants do they eliminate due to unsatisfactory responses to the drugs that we never hear about?There's nothing good in medications and their theory isn't even backed. That raises eyebrows for most people these days.

  • "master to the degree that John Edward has to prove their point. Until then, I'll just have to believe J.E. is the real deal." Just because a skeptic doesn't perform cold-reading to your expectations, it does not warrant "believing" someone is psychic. That is like some people saying that because science cant explain where everything came from originally, they will simply "believe" in a God. It is better to leave a ?? mark than jump to conclusions. If you don't, you end up mislead.

  • So far, I'm REALLY liking this! Going to watch PART TWO right now!

  • I saw this one guy levitate in the park. Crazy hobos in brooklyn.. maybe I was stoned. ah who knows haha

  • I think Hannity deserves the next "Biggest Douche in The Universe" award.

  • ok 3:25 is not true. Asking is your dad passed? and then having the person say yes or no is completely different from stating that he has passed and then asking to verify it. yes i do believe there are tons of fakes out there, but that doesn't mean that no real "mediums" or whatever exist. it is possible to communicate with passed on loved ones. maybe that scares people and that's why they're trying to deny it. i honestly don't know how those ppl think and i'm not trying to judge. just saying.

  • Derren Brown is pretty safe during most of this "reading." Not in the same ballpark as John Edward. I was hoping for something more impressive. Why do skeptics claim that cold reading is easy, but none of them do it well? One of them should master the technique to the degree that John Edward has to prove their point. Until then, I'll just have to believe J.E. is the real deal.

  • @TburgPatrick I have some beautiful Arizona swamp-land you might be interested in. No? How about a bridge in Brooklyn?

  • @ChurchOfKali66619 Really? I bet it's at a great price too, huh? I'll take them both.

    But seriously, do you see my point? It's easy enough to come up with an explanation for something. But from a group of people who claim to need solid evidence, I'd expect - strange as it may sound - solid evidence for their claim. What Brown presents here is evidence, but it's weak evidence. He's missing the ability to be specific. If he's right, he needs to master his technique a bit more to be convincing.

  • antitheist19 . wordpress . com / 2010 / 10 / 23 / the - selfish - meme/

    This is my new blog post, an it's about Cold Reading, so if anyone would like to learn about this, check it out!

  • John "The Greatest Douche In the Universe" Edwards :S

  • Attention Hannity, Houdini was an escape artist, NOT a psychic

  • @orgixvi3 Part of Houdini's act was psychic. He did do that. His escape artistry was only a part of his act.

  • @jtbeetle89 I had no knowledge of that before, thank you sir.

  • @jtbeetle89 Conclusion: Houdini's Awesome!

  • @jtbeetle89 he only did psychicism to show that it was a fraud. he never claimed any powers

  • @orgixvi3 haha I know rite? Houdini debunked psychic "hucksters"

  • @orgixvi3 he's hannity, he doesn't care about facts

  • @Podifo ok but it would be stupid to generalize. Yes most of the gipsies whatever are fake obviously. But remember the shaolin monks...

  • Oh no, Hannity did NOT invoke Houdini's name. Houdini spent a lifetime debunking jerks like Edward.

  • I feel a bit bad for these poor people... :(

  • I think the videos of derren browns session with those people was a put on because I think i saw the first african american woman to ger a reading on television before. She was acting then too.

  • how do we know that the audience are not actors as well...the whole world is tricking you...only believe what you want to believe...in the end it means nothing

  • i got 3:34 min in to this and i already think he s a bullshiter but you can tell by the way he talks.......takes one to know one :)

  • Lol Ummm Im picking up somthing..... your dead grandma wants you.... to give me the numbers to your Social security!! hahahaha What a Phoney

  • Look at the psychic when he says that he "won´t make any bussiness" - he smiled slightly on the left side of his face, which meanthe was lying, and he holds his hands clasped together, which is a sign of not being comfortable or even secretly desperate at the moment. And he hold the hands in front of his body - he is protecting himself from the "attacks" of the moderator.

  • DPRJONES thanks for sharing this video. now I am totally convinced john edward and all the other mediums are fakes! preying on people. we have some of them in my country of sweden to. a show called "the unknown" where mediums go around peoples houses and talks to dead people and sends them into the light LOL

  • hear me say hear me say

  • Ol' John Edward is SLICK. He's a fraud, but he is damn slick.

  • lol at all the skeptics with closed minds who are jealous that John Edwards can do something that you don't know how to do.

  • @fourp1ay

    Yes, he can surely do something I don't know how to do.

    I really wouldn't know how to sleep at night after profiting from other's pain by lying.

  • @BohemianBlasphemy

    You can't prove that he is lieing. That's just your opinion.

  • @fourp1ay

    The burden of proof is on the ones who believe on the phenomena, so I don't have to prove anything.

    Also, even though I don't have to, I can present a very solid case when I accuse him of being a fraud.

  • @BohemianBlasphemy

    No it's not. Skeptics only claim the burden of proof is on the other side.

    And if so - then the burden of proof is on you to PROVE that the burden of proof is on the ones who believe in such a phenomena. So since you believe that the burden of proof is on the believers, why don't you prove that the burden of proof is on them?

    See? You can't prove that, yet you claim it. Owned.

  • @fourp1ay

    You want me to prove that the burden of proof is on you?

    Kid, you must be young and inexperienced, and I say that because of the silly request and the even sillier assumption that I can't provide what you ask for.

    Simply answer this: Is psychic phenomena real?

    If your answer is yes, then the burden of proof is on you, because that's a positive claim.

  • @fourp1ay well do you believe Santa Clause is real? I guess your answer is no.

    NOW I tell you Santa is real! go ahead proof me wrong!

    thats the same thing

  • @kasparov777

    Why should I go ahead and prove you wrong? You can believe whatever you want.

  • Well is kinda harsh playing with these people feelings before tell them wahts the real purpose, but iam glad you did it to show people how easily human being are fooled...just by only the facial expressions we can guess alot...they dont need say anytinhg.

  • the biggest douche in the universe!

  • haha

  • Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Dude

    --Rick

  • Some practitioners are psychic, they will tell you the truth in oder to gain your trust, then take advantage of that trust.

    Never go to a psychic, 50% of them just want your money, the other half are demonic Witches and Sorcerer.

  • @HolyRevelation that could be the DUMBEST thing i have ever heard! You just said half of psychics are con artists and the other half are "witches and sorcerer." are you retarded?! Anyone as ignorant as you should not even be allowed around pointy objects let alone a computer! Jesus fucking christ man!

  • @GinEric84: I love you too :-)

  • My grandmother use to tell me all the time :

    Son, some people just don't want to work, they don't want to get up at 9 and come home at 6, they will do anything to avoid it, jump threw hoops of fire, wrestle with wild animal, you name it.

  • LOL at how even Hannity thinks this guy is a fraud.

  • LOL, Repukes don't believe in Science, so would he believe in anything besides GOD AND HEAVEN, he thinks THOSE are real and you probably do too, loser.

  • how to 69 yourself.

  • i have pretty much everything that derren brown has done and whats sad is that john edwards suck SO BAD at what he is doing compared to how well derren brown does it yet people are still convinced by him. its just a magic trick and john edwards is the worst magician of all time. a fuckin five year old can do what he does.

  • A fuckin' five-year-old can actually write better than you too. Nice try.

  • I like Derren Brown.

    There's alot that he uses to do what he does.

    He;s also called a "mentalist", of course there is nothing psychic about it. Use of words and alot of subliminal messaging.

    I've done some of his things, and about 80% of the time, it worked.

  • Yep. I use cold-reading occasionally, but more often I use hypnotic suggestion / NLP to insert ideas into people's minds make them believe they came up with it, and then repeat back to them what I put in their mind, and they think I'm psychic. Pffft. I'm so glad someone made this video.

  • Derren Brown is the man!!!

  • Derren brown does not just use cold reading. He also uses muscle reading, a way to read our subconscious movements (which is incredibly difficult to do...). He can identify hard consonants based on small muscular movement or tension in someones face. He can use this to get a general idea of what someone's name is, words people are thinking, etc.

  • Ok something doesn't add up here, you say cold reading is technique yet the guy in this video somehow knows specifics like how he guesses names spot on, and the chance of guessing names is probably one in ten thousand. I find this video harder to believe than John Edward himself. Also where is this part 2 you speak of? All i see in part two is James Randi talking about his challenge to John Edward.

  • Derren himself will tell you he's not psychic. It is all technique. You'd be surprised how low the odds of guessing a name are if you pick the right ones. I.E. Charlie was very common in mid 20th century america, so his chances are very good, plus if it misses on a person he could probably lead the attachment to a man who served in any of the asian wars due to the enemy being called charlie. He had multiple outs with that one. If he had a miss he would've glazed over to find another hit, and

  • would've had them forgot about his little mistake. Plus he didn't get spot on at first, he through out two names; Lucy and Lily. The lady confirmed it was lucy and bam we all seem to think he picked up the name lucy and is a psychic. I promise you this is nothing but technique, ten years of practicing them also.

  • Well who ever made the video needs to better explain since not many are familiar with any of this, but what you said made sense, thank you.

  • I agree the video needs some clarity on Derren and what he does, along with better explaination of what cold reading is. Cold reading is almost scary when you start doing it, because of how accurate you appear, but it turns out the general population's assessment of individuality and statistics is horrible, and cold readers use this to their advantage. The other thing is success is attributed after the fact. Which is bad because we tend to remember hits and forget misses. Of course with video

  • we can go back and actually accurately score them and see it's an advanced guessing game.

  • John Edwad is one crazy mofo, hell smart i give him that. He speaks so well and fast it makes your head spin, and he always seems to have something to back up his misses. Derren's got nothing on this guy lol, except maybe honesty.

  • he doesnt guess names on the spot, he picks a common name, and if that doesnt hit he gets more vague. with a large enough base of people the chance of a common name (btw the chance of getting someone in the audience who knows someone who has something who is dead who left a person with the name charlie or Charles is not very improbable. to get a girl with paul, paullete, paula, polly, etc, not too improbable. they just use the vague, you give specifics. )

  • Completely agreed,

  • The more important question here is, who's a bigger douche: John Edwards or Sean Hannity?

  • Both douche bags but Hannity is the biggest.

  • wonder if edwards went to the party after he won "the biggest douche-bag in the universe award".

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  • the south park episode about that jackass john edward is very very good

  • John Edwards...entertainer...that's­ it!

  • I would not go so far as calling him an entertainer, the man is as boring as hell.

  • Incredible.

  • Fuck you Hannity!!! Houdini Never pretended to be a Psychic! Houdini HATED psychics!!!!!!!!!! 2:27

  • Yeah wtf is he talking about. What a stupid asshole.

  • @CaptChrisT Yes, Houdini was the James Randi of his time. He even had a prize like James Randi and he promised everybody to "come back as a "ghost" or "spirit" or whatever if it was possible, just to show people back then that it wasn't possible. He was an awesome skeptic dude already a hundred years ago or something. That rocks!: )

  • @CaptChrisT Quite and the worst part is that Hanity blames Houdini for using Peter Popof's trick with the microphone.

    That sure wasn't around during Houdini's era.

  • Houdini never claimed to be psychic, but would often would perform "seances" and even used the "spirit cabinet" that was so popular at the time. The difference between him and the phony mediums of the day is that after the performance, he would explain how the tricks were done and urge the audience not to fall for the fake spiritualists who used the tricks to scam people desperate to contact those lost to them. Houdini and Randi have both been dedicated to denouncing phony mediums like Edwards.

  • Darren brown's series "trick or treat" is pretty good. but the finale of season 2 ("series 2" if you are a brit) is incredible. way beyond what you'd ever expect. totally insane.

  • Somehow what Derren Brown does is more amazing, even knowing it's totally fake, than all the fancy stuff John Edward does. I watched the show where he caused a whole group of people to become religious by touching them. Seriously creepy.

  • I want derren brown's power! What use is stupid people if you can't take advantage of them?

  • DPR and Derren Brown? It must be my birthday.

  • A video on how it is done would be nice. i've done a bit of "fake palmistry" to show people how fake it is. i then explain to them that humans are pretty much alike. We all share similar hopes, dreams, insecurities, shortcomings, enjoyments, and anxieties.

  • duz dpr watch south park

  • I can't wiat for DPR to show us how to do this. I'm gonna teach everyone I know. Before you know it, everyone will be psychic! Woohoo!

    I can graps the concept of it, but the details are still a little ambiguous.

  • Some times i wonder if these "psychics" are blatant scam artist or if they have fooled themselves as much as they fool others...

  • Jon Edwards is scum!

    He makes a lot of money tricking people, but that's not the worst of it. The lies that he tells people create distortions of their memories of deceased loved one. He has absolutely no right to be doing anything like that... that's just wrong!

  • Sylvia Brown is even worse. Hordes of cultlike followers, and yet she's never had a prediction come right. In fact she's given medical advice that could kill people and gotten every prediction she's made completely wrong. Yet her zombielike believers will defend her as if she was a god.

  • While on the Larry King show, Sylvia Brown once told James Randi that he had a heart condition. He got an extensive checkup a couple days later, specifically looking for any heart problems. Of course she was wrong.

    She should have asked for a kickback from his doctor.

  • i share that same hatred for Sylvia Brown, it sickens me how she takes advantage of people.

  • 10:00 Correction: "This is how easy STUPID people can be fooled."

  • One of my best friends believes in psychics, ghosts, spirits, etc. She makes me roll my eyes a lot.

  • Has anyone noticed that DPRJones sounds exactly like the guy in the 1997 version of Lolita played by Jeremy Irons? It's almost a bit creepy.

  • "Here he is, the Biggest Douche of the Universe! In all the galaxies, there's no bigger douche than you!

    You've reached the top, the pinnacle of douchedom! Good going, douche. Your dreams have come true!"

  • Fox News Station is such a fucking joke, biggest bunch of douchebags. They sow the most useless, superstitious information and propaganda. Check out how many hits they get on FAILblog.0rg. It's pretty astonishing.

    If you want to watch the full interview with Derren, look on Richard Dawkins' YouTube channel.

    Thanks, Dpr!!

  • Interesting, Looking forward to seeing part two.

  • You can't watch this from the UK, I doubt even DPRJones can see it. I'm using a proxy.

  • I can't wait to watch part two;0

  • nice, darren brown is awesome. how famous is he in the UK? i doubt many ppl in the US know about him

  • As south park would say of John Edwards:

    "Here he is, the biggest douche in the YOUUniverse, in all the galaxies there's no bigger douche than youuuuu. You've reached the top, the pinnacle of douuuchedome. Good going douche, your dreams have come truuuuuue."

    :) Great vid.

  • I think his self-proclaimed-intellectual fans weigh dprjones down. Really, dunces, just blow it out your ass, you sound like douchebags.

  • Another great video by DPRJones.

    Very weird though, I was just talking about this last week. My grandmother believes in this bullshitery and I was explaining the cold reading technique to her and shoed her videos of Sylvia Browne messing up.

  • That guy was BETTER at it that John Edward. Shows how douchy he is, don't it?

  • now if the people who belive in this crap would give information like this the value it deserves.

  • I find it so hard to believe people actually believe this stuff...but then again many people believe in gods and religion....

  • It is easier to believe in something like that when you have invested interest in doing so.

  • Consolation is the prize, Vocals filled with tears and cries. Dissonance is but a factor, the nuisance is center stage, dimmed lights, its the brain! The brain? He looked and looked, humph, you took me for a ride. Now it's time for you to go. Bye.

  • My paternal grandfather and step grandmother were spiritualists who did this sort of thing decades ago.

    But even as a young skeptic it was obvious that anybody with more than half a brain should realise a genuine psychic wouldn't need to home in like that - they would go straight there instead of leaving clues for the punter to interpret.

    Even if they've never heard of cold reading.

  • This is really interesting.

    Please continue the series and explain every little detail so these frauds wont suck the blood from mourning families.

  • Anyone remember The Amazing Kreskin?

  • John Edward: "The Biggest Douche in the Universe." -- South Park

  • Yah but Bono is the biggest piece of shit. Il take a douche over a massive like 100 korik piece of shit.

  • Kick fucking ass! Nice one, woo! [Laughing.] Bono is a big ol' turd, I agree.

  • Isn't that measurement of shit, a "Couric"?

  • Quite. :D

  • Step one, Take the book out of the freezer....

  • @theatheistpaladin

    I'm going to put my gloves on first if that's ok with you...

  • Just thought you might want to know DPR, that your vid is blocked in the UK for some reason. had to use IP Hider in order to watch it, and btw, Derren Brown is brilliant, has me scratching my head many times :-)

  • These guys are obviously frauds, no doubt, and it's pathetic, even though its FOX, for John Edward to be interviewed as if he were anything more than a con.

    But I've been on a personal quest to understand some of the unexplained, pseudo-psychic experiences I've been witness to. I believe there's a rational explanation for everything, even if we don't currently understand it. But I've been through some puzzling events, so I understand how people can believe in these sorts of things.