yeah we did making a universe that cant govern itself is like playing sim city and having to cheat all the time by putting in codes to fix your mistakes better that you let random flux create your unique creations rather than a specific hand.
"1.618 is a mathematical formula....". NO. It's not. It is a num-ber. if you Must troll, please be smart about it.... If you are looking for the supernatural in numbers, you will like to know that the 666th to 669th digits after the comma in pi are "6".
There are only 10 types of people in the world: those that understand binary and those who don't.
Proving the universe was created by intelligent design? He didn't even have a calculator to find that number when he was "creating the universe"! We invented the calculator! Not him.
One would expect that a world governed by concrete mathematical laws, rather than god, would be riddled with mathematical proportions. If anything the absence of φ in nature would be evidence for a supernatural force suspending the normal laws of physics. Like finding a star that was a perfect cube.
Hey, this is so cool becuase I just found out that some guy figured out a way to use the golden ratio as frequencies in sound. And people who listen to it often go into meditative states and also some other experiences are reported. You have to check it out guys: /watch?v=S0_y1BCWpOo
seriously?! the golden ratio was discovered way earlier than your god was invented... I think you're fascinated by science you just don't have the courage (and/or the brains) to dive into it and that's why you're using the "god" excuse
There are tons of people who understand exactly why Phi shows up in all those places! Just because you do not understand something doesn't make it god. If you want to look for god in the details, do your fellow religionists a favor and put him in details where he doesn't get squashed so easily!
(PS: every religious person who has even rudimentary brain function hates people like you. Congratulations!)
Praise God for our wonderful creation. Be thankful. Enough with the contests of proving eachothers points of who is right or wrong. Once we are dead it wont matter. will it
@HiGhLiKeAlLaDin We shouldn't care because we will die eventually? That's really nihilistic. Why shouldn't we revel in argument, burning with fiery passion of reason and discourse?
I've noticed something interesting regarding golden ratio number, try to change the numbers out in words in standard latin letters in correct order (A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, ..) with the number 1618 if we begin with 1, we get A,6A8 , because we have replaced 1 with A! then try to switch 8 out with H, because H is 8 in the order and place it, we will then get A6AH, it recalls the word ALLAH? 6 does not fit, but
@TheKarasakal continuation ... if we multiply 6 by 2, we get L (L = 12 in the sequence) and if we use L 2 times, so we have LL! if you then insert it into A6AH, ie swapping 6 with LL, so it says ALLAH is it just a pure coincidence?
@matycee That reversed question mark at the end of my comment is an irony punctutation. I find TheKarasakal's comments to be neither rational nor enlightening but rather entertaining. And I express my opinion through sarcasm (probably the leftovers of my teenage defence mechanism).
The existence of a numeric pattern in the anatomy of some living creatures or in some natural fenomena doesn't prove God exists at all . Nature continue to be random in a general manner nevertheless .
"lenght of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits." IDK how you get to 1.618 with these numbers...???
@JackassBauer1 By the way, some acacia species contain dmt, in fact i think the highest concentration of dmt in vegetal can be found in an acacia tree.... just to say....
Or rather, the opposite. The Fibonacci sequence actually provides quite a lot of evidence for the capacity of beautiful and complex structures to occur naturally.
There is no God. Just a lot of people stupid enough to continue to try and make him seem real. All god is is his enablers - one of them being the person who made this video. Remove the enablers and the Gods they are so angry to animate dissolve into history and become merely anthropology waiting to be studied.
@Oceanus57 how profound a thing to say, who knows the full depth of reality. We exist regardless of a fleas ability to comprehend us. In this respect a God(s) could be very easy to imagine. I have no problem with the idea of a God(s) and even the possibility that we were created as some kind of science project or some super massively complicated work of art, or a tragic play...my problem is religion, i think that's the only problem.
@Oceanus57 think about this, we live in this verse which we so boldly claim to be the uni-verse as if it was the only one, as that is what uni mean (one)verse... if there happen to be infinite universes they may be a universe of things that create sub-universes and they do it for there own entertainment. point is we have no fucking idea what the fuck is going on and science will never be able to find the factory in the ham burger so to speak with our limited ability to perceive reality.
In Romans 1:20 Paul is quoting satan who said "As above so below" The measuring of God or the invisible according to the visible. If they are "without excuse" why do not the pastors not use this tremendously powerful argument. Perhaps because it demonstrates that Christianity = Freemasonry, and that Paul, self proclaimed masterbuilder, as apollus apollyon, baal prophet, the false apostle rejected by Ephesus in Revelation, the boaster and antichrist predicted by Yeshua, the proof goes on and on.
The god that created this beauty is the God that wanted us to beat his son to a bloody pulp so our wrongdoings could also be put on him and not us. BEAUTIFUL!!!!
@starczarar IGNORANCE AT ITS FINEST! I going to tell you a history there was a girl she had a infraction so the judge told her she was guilty and she needed to pay 100 dollars so the judge took off his robe and paided the infraction because he was the father of the girl. believe or not God did the same with jesus for us
@gouki2005 a judge paying your fine is one thing, and if that's all Jesus meant to do then... fine, I guess. But when I read the Bible, I understand that if you went and abused your children, or punched your wife, then you, as a Christian, have some options; you can either ask your wife for forgiveness, or you can ask Jesus. How can Jesus forgive for your wife? Not only does that make you a coward, but morally corrupt. Congratulations, enlightened one.
@starczarar is not like that if you read the bible you must forgive and ask for forgiveness if you can.is not like ok i going to punch in the face and then apologizes with jesus maybe you has read some articles of people who misinterpret the Bible
@starczarar none just salvation look the world around you is crumbling...economically..politically etc but dont worry i am not a fanatic liar.. i m not going to tell you the end of the world is near ..or something like that
@starczarar none just salvation look the world around you is crumbling...economically..politically etc but dont worry i am not a fanatic liar.. i m not going to tell you the end of the world is near ..or something like that
@liameppes This universe, especially this planet, are very very far from perfect. And we are by no means part of any divine plan, we are sentient animals, nothing more.
The journey I took left me at the same conclusion, thank you for putting up this video that so eloquently explains it all. The beauty of the spiral! God Bless!!!
@MARKKUS1967 Allah is the same God as the one in the Old Testament and New Testament. The Abrahamic God.
Either way, a mathematical idea doesn't not correlate to the existence of a divine being (or lack). That would be like saying since pancakes are delicious, someone must have created a world for them to be delicious in! It makes no sense. And even if there was a God, why would he be the one from any one religion? Pretty sure there have been religions before and after Christianity.
@StexeGod Why Allah and Jehovah , being the same God , had allegedly inspired 2 different books with 2 different messages ? If you don't believe in Bible ,Jeovah will condemn you to hell . If you don't believe in Koran , Allah will also condemn you to hell . Since there's no way of believing in both at the same time , we can conclude that everyone will be eventually condemned to hell anyway . Don't you agree ?
@MARKKUS1967 I just did by communicating to you that I am a God. Have you ever had direct communication from any religion's Gods? I didn't think so, thus I am more God-like than any of them.
@StexeGod It's not enough to me . I need more proofs . I need a proof that you are a god indeed and not a just human being saying this . Do you have any of tha features commonly attributed to gods , such as omniscience , omnipotence , omnipresence , which you could demonstrate to me at this moment ?
@MARKKUS1967 Not enough? Then you lack faith. Even still, "features commonly attributed to Gods" does not mean all Gods have those. If you look at ancient religions like Greek and Egyptian, many of those Gods have the same flaws that humans do.
@superdiza The problem with your statement is that there is order in all things and mathematics do not come from nothing the only thing that comes from nothing is nothing...These intricate patterns are not a fluke. The things we see did not come from a lack of design. They came from a designer..architecture. God is something so many people ignore. Even snowflakes are beautiful in their geometry and are formed at a variety of frequencies. Yeah, this just happens...
@JackyBRyant25 all natural patterns flow to the path of least resistance while shedding energy. some geometries are more harmonious than other in obtaining this form. Mathematics come from the human mind, and you can say that the universe stems from the mind of God. is this the biblical jeudo-christian god? that's only the willing human mind to say.
This number IS "god" (for you religious-based people)
you can call it whatever you want, but it still will be a signal that shakes particles on right frequency and force them to create atoms, molekules and so on. In fact my opinion is: If you ask what life is, then this number is your answer.
sure Phi is found in a lot of things, I always thought it was because of the cellular structure formed in such a way that it was convenient to a-line everything with the golden ratio, that goes for galaxies and the complex forces which create their 1.618 ratios, the Human body and everything else I can think of. Not saying god doesn't exist, just that the golden ratio doesn't in any way prove he does.
In any case, what does it matter about who is what and what is that. We are all people and we should'nt let religion be a factor in excluding each other out. Indefinitely it is a well played role from the eyes behind the reality. Aliens probably do not have these types of arguments since highly advanced creatures do not see any point in arguing about claims that they can not back up. Since the only thing that they can claim to be evident is a book.
Siddharta Ghutamma, Jesus, and Mohammed all great people. Let's not be excluvists because we have different ideas. Most of history is based on ideas, and ideas change over the centuries so lets not get into religous debate about my God is and your god is not. Get past your primative stages of emotion please:). and get along maybe than can we advance as a human race.
Surely this disproves God rather than proving Him/It. If all these things were created seperately why would they all be the same ratio? This leads me to believe that there are governing principles throughout the universe which have nothing to do with any God.
@TheReegar - it's more that the singularity / big bang sound itself fragments out infinitely-almost and at about infinite scales of size, the same fracture from wholeness, the golden proportion. the 'event' creates a universe permeated by smaller parts and repeating movements (spacetime) of the same original event, over and over again.
whether event was intentional or not, something made it, and out of a type of something. that cannot be escaped.
@NWOareScum scales are strange. there are not *real* sizes to things. every though you have maybe be spawning new levels of existence that echo on creating more and more and more possible things. there are not limits to existing. awareness is the creator and awareness can divide infinitely.
@TheReegar Perhaps it is the supreme realization that who and what are the same thing that we need, in which case we look at ourselves as a what not a who and get on with it. Either way there is a divine creator. Enjoy.
@wyzyrddrummer - 'Why does everyone use the dopy unrealistic versions of the Noah's Ark?'
cause apparently despite it making sense to humans up until fairly relatively recently, people today have issues comprehending how you can save lifeforms by way of things like holographic memory and van allen belt aether forms and morphogenetic fields and maybe even actual physical samples of dna...
Please watch my story"TIFFANY LEBOUEF SEEKS JUSTICE". I have documents to prove my innocence yet no one wants to even acknowledge it. My life has been destroyed.
2:59 is simply not true. I suppose you're referring to the ratio of the width to the height, which would be 50:30 or 1.6666..., but if it were changed to 50:31 (which Noah could easily change it to), the ratio would become 1.6129... which is much closer to the golden ratio of 1.6180...
Trying to prove religious people are mistaking is a waste of time. Religious beliefs are personality disorders, and should be treated as such Symptoms range from simple DELUSIONS ("God exists, because I believe so"), OCD (praying before dinner), PSYCHOSIS ("I saw mother Mary/Jesus Christ/Mohammed").and even PSYCHOPATH behaviour (burning of witches, suicidebombers). BEWARE OF THOSE WHO SUFFER FROM INSANITY.
@stonytina1 Same can be said about atheists, rather see the personality disorder: EGOCENTRISM. You are partially correct as in Muslim extremists, or ANY extremist as exist in EVERY group of people that gathers.
There are the good, the bad, & the ugly... in ANY crowd of humans. Many false Xtians too, of course, but don't let that undermine the historicity of Jesus nor His importance & lessons. Don't read the daily New Age lies & conspiracy theory-lovers books makin' big bucks either please.
The problem with the golden ratio is just that: it's the golden ratio.. It is not observed in any of the instances you mentioned, it's consider the idea ratio for spirals.
It's derived from the Fibonacci equation: n = (n-1) + (n-2). The length of any 90 degree angle in a spiral should be the sum of the 180 degrees before it. Try measuring it with a snail shell, or a flower, or a strand of DNA (which is an awful example because it doesn't even spiral out, which is the very prerequisite)
A computer didn't just evolve from pond scum, now did it, no, it has an intricate design and obviously a master designer, how much more intricate is the human mind that designed it. To think that the human mind and body and universe with everything in it has no chief architect is as bombastic as it can get.
I've done the phi or 1.618 to many things and from what discovered is that most humans like my self don't have that proportions so it what we see as beautiful. Not nature humans don't know all of nature to put it into one number that's just saying we know everything and that's just retard
I've read the bible and there's nothing there like what you have stated here, God just said to Noah to build an arc without saying any 5 cubits... 4 cubits... cubits blah blah blah... you are just making this up! just like the so called PROPHETS pretending that they can hear their God speak, they have and YOU have a decease called schizo!
Read again, please. Simply saying you've read something and that YOU have not found it, doesn't mean it actually is so. A simple search (as you should have done before making such claims) would have given you the text that mentions the measurements for the Ark of Noah. It can be found in Genesis 6: 15. I'm sure the others could be found just as easy. Just to say, do not insult anyone by calling them schizophrenic. It's insensitive.
@RvGinkel oh you have the "New International Version" I guess all the NEW versions of the bible have the cubits... cubits in them. I'm sorry I probably read the original... NONE English bible that is around 2 thousand years old... very new if you take into consideration of how OLD our world really is when God created it.
@homuncullus Even the Latin version of the Bible mentions cubits. Kudos to you if you can read Aramaic or Hebrew, but that does not change the fact that it does say there are specific measurements involved. Instead of just ranting about my faulty sources, could you disclose perchance what your sources are?
Im trying to undo 30 some years of visualising a 'God' in a stone chair picking out noodles from his epoch enriched beard and trying to 'God' as an origin, as a place where a tiny strawberry seed becomes a succulent strawberry plant. God is also present when you drop the toast NON jam side down. God can be anything. just substitute that tired word for a feeling.
I really don't understand how you came to this conclusion that it is proof of a God. Patterns exist in nature because of natural laws of physics and chemistry and can be broken down even further and explained by mathematics. You are desperately trying to grasp at straws and are the type of person who hits a wall of understanding, refuse to go beyond, and call it God.
i can't believe the bible is brought into this... why is it jesus has the same story as horus ? why is it the ark fits PERFECTLY into the tomb inside the great pyramid which is clearly too small to fit a person, why is it christianity has "christianized" ancient egyptian symbolism ? and why is it christianity was all created AFTER this? now dont get me wrong, there seems to be great truths in the bible... but seems its STOLEN from previous history
@ovechkin100 Not true at all...the new age Horus/Mythra & other garbage comparisons to Jesus have all been debunked & failed long ago. No one can be compared to Jesus in more than a just few co-incidences or generalities.
@GoodyBob not true? besides the similarities which i will admit theres not as many as some videos might show, the stories ARE similar, yet you failed to show me as to how the ark fits so well inside the tomb in the pyramid, and if you would be so kind as to explain to me the pictures inside the tomb which are resembled so well in modern freemasonry today, and freemasonry happens to be a denomination of Christianity. there is WAY more truths in it than you think! christianity is STOLEN
@ovechkin100 LOL. Thanks friend, but I've heard about every new monthly trash conspiracy of Jesus/Xtians. & Jesus wasn't Caesar or an alien either.They sell books is all. The tomb in the pyramid is another joke: The avg. Egyptian adult(male and female) could lay down inside the Coffer w/about 188 mm (5.5 in.) clearance to spare at the head/feet. The Ark could NOT have fit inside the Coffer =the Ark was too wide, also too tall. Width of Ark = 1.5 cubits = 37.5 in. Width of coffer= 26.65 in..
@ovechkin100 The age is wrong too. Pyramid built 2700 -2500BC. The ark date=1230-1440BC.ETC. Freemasonry rumors are out of control now. So what if a derivative if Xtianity. Has nothing to do with Jesus that someone CLAIMS to be a Xtian...like Hitler, fake preachers. Please quit reading the new age conspiracy-lovers crap & see real scholars & ones like Sir William Ramsay, EX-atheist archaeologist who tried proving Luke/Book of Acts wrong = after yrs of digs said Luke was correct in every detail!
@GoodyBob so its obviously not a rumor dipshit! what about all the egyptian symbolism the USA uses TO THIS DAY! clearly also not a rumor seeing at we can SEE it. ?!?!?! dont say bye now i still have questions... oh you dont know? i see : )
@ovechkin100 What? So nice of you to comment & insult me. I'm not debating freemasonry...we were talking about Jesus & Horus false comparisons!! I've studied the pro's & cons of the freemasonry conspiracy THEORIES. I only said they have gone a little too far as there are doubts also. But, I don't care = we were talkin' about Jesus! I'm real tired of all the conspiracy theories d'jour...on everything. Goodbye. Peace & love regardless.
@GoodyBob God still doesn't exist though... You are making the assumption that God exists in the first place, then comes Jesus. Yet, you use Jesus to prove God's existence. This isn't logical.
@CntthnkO15 Huh? It's extremely logical & supports what's called critical & deductive reasoning. New discoveries in the quantum world, other dimensions, what happens at Singularity Event in black holes, string theory, multiple universes, etc, all baffle scientists w/many admitting there's intelligent design. If Jesus was God in the flesh, breaking quantum physics w/miracles as even reported by His enemies, fulfilling prophecy, totally sinless, teaching love...then we better quit fartin' around.
@GoodyBob I don't get what christians love in Jesus.
In the bible, he is merely a "manchevique" socialist preacher that preach equality and ideals of humility that have already been existing since writing was invented.
Jesus's hatred for the rich people only because they were rich is completely pathetic. Both Mathew and Luke are filled with anti-rich propaganda.
Jesus had nothing impressive in his philosophy whatsoever, in the bible he is merely a social-pacifist.
Actually, if Jesus was compared to any other head-of-state with ideals about reforming the society, he'd be crushed.
Actually, the historian Robert Cowley describes the Jesus of the bible as someone who would enforce the submission of the population to the leading groups of society. When Jesus claims that the poor shall inherit the Earth and that social violence is foolish, he just supports caste systems such as feudalism and the non-mobility of classes.
@yuirrr Thanks, I agree that love thy neighbor/turn the other cheek is the truth & way to go, but what do we do about the Hitlers (y los machos/nacos/corruptos como H. Chavez) & others bad for civilization (& yes including false preachers). I think we need to stop & put em' in a holding tank jail, but peace & love of God & each other is a great way to live in this earthly dimension. The main deal is that Jesus was way above this earth & is why he had to talk in parables to bronze age minds, etc.
@GoodyBob The problem is: Jesus did not teach his disciplies how they should behave in order of having a better life. He was actually trying to teach them how to have a better Afterlife.
And about the rebels, consider this: If it weren't for the rebels, the ones who would defy the bible, we'd still be living inside a feud while putting our wives into submission and with no chances of having a better life while hoping the ones that submitted us during life will burn in hell forever.
@yuirrr There's some redneck things that don't add up thrown in the Bible, & the old corrupt Catholics screwed up & twisted Xtianity for control like you said. But, forget the bad ones- Jesus taught the disciples & us ALL how to live while here & how God loves us, & why we should love each other & have a peaceful world...then the afterlife. I've studied a LOT of near death exp.- NDE's & it can't be explained by science. Quantum mechanics & the entanglement theories are baffling scientists too.
@yuirrr Jesus taught mainly = do not put value & your soul in this short earthly bowl of greed...build your treasure in heaven. He said "What good does it do for a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul?" Earth is temporary, but heaven is forever.
Do bees have a soul???...I think not. Gotta run to work... take care friend. Adios.
@GoodyBob - of course bees and trees etc have souls too. the soul is the thing inside you that makes the difference between if your body is alive or dead. if they didn't have souls they wouldn't be alive.
tho the idea of what alive means is kind of limited in 'modern' thinking, eg only saner more enlightened people realise water is alive, fire is alive, rocks are alive etc. not in exactly the same way as cell etc biology is alive, but can also be inhabited by same kinds of spirit.
@yuirrr - heaven just means creation perfection. eg a type of nearer heaven than this state of being most are in here (if not all) is shown in the film Celestine Prophecy.
it's related to timespace, eg if you went to heaven while still being in a kind of ascended-body-mind consciousness, then it'd be the Earth how it would be if it hadn't been abused and damaged (ie - original timeline), and you'd be like a breatharian or fruitarian or some such.
@GoodyBob And the issue about the Afterlife is really simple:
No one has ever seen it, there is no evidence of it, humanity isn't the purpose of the universe, the christian one is based on a broken and horrible system of perpetual suffering or eternal submission(Heavenly "happiness") and a lot more horrible facts about the christian afterlife.
The problem is, buddy, bible was just a mean used by the old states to control the poor classes. See Deuteronomy and Leviticus, per example.
@yuirrr No bro' wrong, very wrong. First Jesus was the biggest rebel in all of history...His rebellion still is with us 2,000 yrs. later. Go figure. Do you think it's fair in this world that one person has al, while the others have nothing, with 90% of the poor no fault of theirs that they're poor or born in a hopeless situation? Life sucks without all helping each other instead of greed & ego winning over fairness & compassion.
@GoodyBob Your idea of inequality as something wrong was born after the reformation.
Jesus himself supported the poor to remain poor. that is a way of making themselves holy. He was not a rebel, but his ideas were used as the source of rebellions during the roman times. The anabaptist idea that Jesus was actually preaching equality is wrong.
And about the wealth, it's considered greed. And in his own words: It's easier to a camel get inside a bottle than it is to a rich enter the reign of God.
@GoodyBob 'Do you think it's fair in this world that one person has al, while the others have nothing, with 90% of the poor no fault of theirs that they're poor or born in a hopeless situation?'
jesus learned in india and tibet, siddhartha (buddha) questioned that too, from vedic culture point of view - why are some reincarnated as lower caste? how do you know they were evil in a past life, even if they were - their being here adds more misery, so why have suffering, it won't clear it
@GoodyBob - cause obviously - even if someone is evil so they reincarnate poor etc, then what if they have kids..they are then in hopeless situation also. even if the kids were evil in a past life as well, it still means lots of evil people keep reincarnating. so they ruin the world for anyone in it that isn't evil.
'even if', being the key point, cause as a system it doesn't work to mix good people in with bad people. that's why human world's not about fairness & compassion.
yeah we did making a universe that cant govern itself is like playing sim city and having to cheat all the time by putting in codes to fix your mistakes better that you let random flux create your unique creations rather than a specific hand.
Gantzer1 6 hours ago
"1.618 is a mathematical formula....". NO. It's not. It is a num-ber. if you Must troll, please be smart about it.... If you are looking for the supernatural in numbers, you will like to know that the 666th to 669th digits after the comma in pi are "6".
There are only 10 types of people in the world: those that understand binary and those who don't.
MrZentuga 1 day ago 2
If there was heaven and hell our modern telescopes would have found them by now in our local area of space...simple fact...
itsreal1971 1 day ago
there are only a few examples here! more things do NOT fit that ratio than DO!
skarfaced 2 days ago
Did it occur to you that a common ratio found all across nature points to a common ancestor and thus evolution? Not a creator.
Mathmagician121212 2 days ago
Proving the universe was created by intelligent design? He didn't even have a calculator to find that number when he was "creating the universe"! We invented the calculator! Not him.
101ways2sayme 2 days ago
e^ipi + 1 = 0
that is gods signature
dave190785 2 days ago
One would expect that a world governed by concrete mathematical laws, rather than god, would be riddled with mathematical proportions. If anything the absence of φ in nature would be evidence for a supernatural force suspending the normal laws of physics. Like finding a star that was a perfect cube.
Olucatei 2 days ago
Hey, this is so cool becuase I just found out that some guy figured out a way to use the golden ratio as frequencies in sound. And people who listen to it often go into meditative states and also some other experiences are reported. You have to check it out guys: /watch?v=S0_y1BCWpOo
knaggelpuff 3 days ago
seriously?! the golden ratio was discovered way earlier than your god was invented... I think you're fascinated by science you just don't have the courage (and/or the brains) to dive into it and that's why you're using the "god" excuse
Tanatosss 3 days ago
AAAWW! Cutie, you are an idiot!
There are tons of people who understand exactly why Phi shows up in all those places! Just because you do not understand something doesn't make it god. If you want to look for god in the details, do your fellow religionists a favor and put him in details where he doesn't get squashed so easily!
(PS: every religious person who has even rudimentary brain function hates people like you. Congratulations!)
niffehermansson 3 days ago
Vortex Math!!!
FerMartiga 3 days ago
Praise God for our wonderful creation. Be thankful. Enough with the contests of proving eachothers points of who is right or wrong. Once we are dead it wont matter. will it
HiGhLiKeAlLaDin 3 days ago
@HiGhLiKeAlLaDin We shouldn't care because we will die eventually? That's really nihilistic. Why shouldn't we revel in argument, burning with fiery passion of reason and discourse?
Olucatei 2 days ago
@Olucatei Your right. Dony know why I typed that. cheers
HiGhLiKeAlLaDin 2 days ago
I've noticed something interesting regarding golden ratio number, try to change the numbers out in words in standard latin letters in correct order (A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, ..) with the number 1618 if we begin with 1, we get A,6A8 , because we have replaced 1 with A! then try to switch 8 out with H, because H is 8 in the order and place it, we will then get A6AH, it recalls the word ALLAH? 6 does not fit, but
TheKarasakal 3 days ago 6
@TheKarasakal continuation ... if we multiply 6 by 2, we get L (L = 12 in the sequence) and if we use L 2 times, so we have LL! if you then insert it into A6AH, ie swapping 6 with LL, so it says ALLAH is it just a pure coincidence?
TheKarasakal 3 days ago 3
@TheKarasakal
Of course not, it's clearly the demonstration of the existence of something supernatural ....
siuppdens 1 day ago
@TheKarasakal I think not!
1Pantikian 3 hours ago
@TheKarasakal Wow, there must be a bunch of atheists somewhere feeling like complete jackasses now؟
paeturm 1 day ago
@paeturm I'm an atheist. I don't feel like a jackass. Nature is Rational. Religion is not.
matycee 1 day ago
@matycee That reversed question mark at the end of my comment is an irony punctutation. I find TheKarasakal's comments to be neither rational nor enlightening but rather entertaining. And I express my opinion through sarcasm (probably the leftovers of my teenage defence mechanism).
paeturm 7 hours ago
@TheKarasakal AFAH akbar
1Pantikian 3 hours ago
No, these are just random curves and spirals.
Daghead 5 days ago
The existence of a numeric pattern in the anatomy of some living creatures or in some natural fenomena doesn't prove God exists at all . Nature continue to be random in a general manner nevertheless .
MARKKUS1967 5 days ago
Oh dear, the expansion of a nautllus shell is logarithmic and doesn't always give the golden ration. Whoops.
bakersteven3 6 days ago
"lenght of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits." IDK how you get to 1.618 with these numbers...???
JackassBauer1 6 days ago
@JackassBauer1 The way you divide, its a formula it comes out to 1.618
cavers13 6 days ago
@cavers13 I think you missed his point...
Kaynex 4 days ago
"You shall make an ark of acacia wood,
one plus square root of five, divide by two cubits long,
one cubit wide,
and one cubit high"... ;)
JackassBauer1 6 days ago
@JackassBauer1 By the way, some acacia species contain dmt, in fact i think the highest concentration of dmt in vegetal can be found in an acacia tree.... just to say....
JackassBauer1 6 days ago
And squirrels with a TY remote in pocket holding a shotgun at you with his paw on the trigger.
Zacuree 6 days ago
@Zacuree TV not TY
Zacuree 6 days ago
2:11 -> photoshop spiral-filter
look at it -> its impossible to get from the bottom stairs to the top-one
it like two stairs intertwined
unamaxify 1 week ago
Or rather, the opposite. The Fibonacci sequence actually provides quite a lot of evidence for the capacity of beautiful and complex structures to occur naturally.
There is no God. Just a lot of people stupid enough to continue to try and make him seem real. All god is is his enablers - one of them being the person who made this video. Remove the enablers and the Gods they are so angry to animate dissolve into history and become merely anthropology waiting to be studied.
Oceanus57 1 week ago
@Oceanus57 how profound a thing to say, who knows the full depth of reality. We exist regardless of a fleas ability to comprehend us. In this respect a God(s) could be very easy to imagine. I have no problem with the idea of a God(s) and even the possibility that we were created as some kind of science project or some super massively complicated work of art, or a tragic play...my problem is religion, i think that's the only problem.
matthias2986 1 week ago
@Oceanus57 think about this, we live in this verse which we so boldly claim to be the uni-verse as if it was the only one, as that is what uni mean (one)verse... if there happen to be infinite universes they may be a universe of things that create sub-universes and they do it for there own entertainment. point is we have no fucking idea what the fuck is going on and science will never be able to find the factory in the ham burger so to speak with our limited ability to perceive reality.
matthias2986 1 week ago
God doesn't exists, idiots.
SergeyNovoserdeckiy 1 week ago
I am christian, however I don't even believe God used some magic number to build the world.
Besides, the number is 1.618, it isn't whole, it is a shattered number. How is that perfect?
pxdnninja 1 week ago
In Romans 1:20 Paul is quoting satan who said "As above so below" The measuring of God or the invisible according to the visible. If they are "without excuse" why do not the pastors not use this tremendously powerful argument. Perhaps because it demonstrates that Christianity = Freemasonry, and that Paul, self proclaimed masterbuilder, as apollus apollyon, baal prophet, the false apostle rejected by Ephesus in Revelation, the boaster and antichrist predicted by Yeshua, the proof goes on and on.
Phaedron777 1 week ago
god = energy, there i fixed the world....now stop fighting each other like a bunch of dumb beasts.
FeedEgg 1 week ago
It does not prove anything more than mans strive to find patterns. Which is perfectly natural.
Even if there was a god it would be impossible to determine what god he/she would be.
AllNamesWereOccupied 1 week ago
The god that created this beauty is the God that wanted us to beat his son to a bloody pulp so our wrongdoings could also be put on him and not us. BEAUTIFUL!!!!
starczarar 1 week ago
@starczarar IGNORANCE AT ITS FINEST! I going to tell you a history there was a girl she had a infraction so the judge told her she was guilty and she needed to pay 100 dollars so the judge took off his robe and paided the infraction because he was the father of the girl. believe or not God did the same with jesus for us
gouki2005 1 week ago
@gouki2005 a judge paying your fine is one thing, and if that's all Jesus meant to do then... fine, I guess. But when I read the Bible, I understand that if you went and abused your children, or punched your wife, then you, as a Christian, have some options; you can either ask your wife for forgiveness, or you can ask Jesus. How can Jesus forgive for your wife? Not only does that make you a coward, but morally corrupt. Congratulations, enlightened one.
starczarar 1 week ago
@starczarar is not like that if you read the bible you must forgive and ask for forgiveness if you can.is not like ok i going to punch in the face and then apologizes with jesus maybe you has read some articles of people who misinterpret the Bible
gouki2005 1 week ago
@gouki2005 the whole point is... WHO is going to forgive you? The person whom you wronged, or Jesus?
starczarar 1 week ago
@starczarar Both but remenber something you will get forgiveness but you will pay the consequences
gouki2005 1 week ago
@gouki2005 ...and which answer will get you into heaven?
Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
starczarar 1 week ago
@starczarar none just salvation look the world around you is crumbling...economically..politically etc but dont worry i am not a fanatic liar.. i m not going to tell you the end of the world is near ..or something like that
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@starczarar none just salvation look the world around you is crumbling...economically..politically etc but dont worry i am not a fanatic liar.. i m not going to tell you the end of the world is near ..or something like that
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starczarar 1 week ago
exactly how do you get the number 1,618, Sir? do you know it its a limit?
Fomelogo 1 week ago
i think that earth, the universe, and life itself is a little too perfect to be a coincidence
liameppes 1 week ago
@liameppes Perfect? Ha.
tunacellis 1 week ago
@tunacellis you know what i mean.
liameppes 1 week ago
@liameppes This universe, especially this planet, are very very far from perfect. And we are by no means part of any divine plan, we are sentient animals, nothing more.
tunacellis 1 week ago
Nice!!
anonymous2012x 1 week ago
@anonymous2012x What journey did you go on?
akacpkiller21 1 week ago
The journey I took left me at the same conclusion, thank you for putting up this video that so eloquently explains it all. The beauty of the spiral! God Bless!!!
PleromaGodhead 1 week ago
The music.....beautiful
The imagery......stunning
The mathamatical formula.....ingenious
The semantics.....pure CRAP !
greenguy444 1 week ago
Ok , and why is this god supposed to be the god of the Bible and not Alah , or Vishnu , or Thor , or any other ?
MARKKUS1967 1 week ago
@MARKKUS1967 Allah is the same God as the one in the Old Testament and New Testament. The Abrahamic God.
Either way, a mathematical idea doesn't not correlate to the existence of a divine being (or lack). That would be like saying since pancakes are delicious, someone must have created a world for them to be delicious in! It makes no sense. And even if there was a God, why would he be the one from any one religion? Pretty sure there have been religions before and after Christianity.
StexeGod 1 week ago
@StexeGod Why Allah and Jehovah , being the same God , had allegedly inspired 2 different books with 2 different messages ? If you don't believe in Bible ,Jeovah will condemn you to hell . If you don't believe in Koran , Allah will also condemn you to hell . Since there's no way of believing in both at the same time , we can conclude that everyone will be eventually condemned to hell anyway . Don't you agree ?
MARKKUS1967 1 week ago
@MARKKUS1967 No, because neither of them are true. You want to know the truth? I am God.
StexeGod 1 week ago
@StexeGod So prove it to me right now ! Do at this very moment what all these gods were not able to do .
MARKKUS1967 1 week ago
@MARKKUS1967 I just did by communicating to you that I am a God. Have you ever had direct communication from any religion's Gods? I didn't think so, thus I am more God-like than any of them.
StexeGod 1 week ago
@StexeGod It's not enough to me . I need more proofs . I need a proof that you are a god indeed and not a just human being saying this . Do you have any of tha features commonly attributed to gods , such as omniscience , omnipotence , omnipresence , which you could demonstrate to me at this moment ?
MARKKUS1967 1 week ago
@MARKKUS1967 Not enough? Then you lack faith. Even still, "features commonly attributed to Gods" does not mean all Gods have those. If you look at ancient religions like Greek and Egyptian, many of those Gods have the same flaws that humans do.
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@StexeGod I lack faith , yeah . I rather know with certainty than just believe .
MARKKUS1967 6 days ago
it doesn't come from God but maybe it is God. It mean everthing and nothing with in no time or space.
prreyreyland 1 week ago
fractal self harmony in nature and mathematics does not need a deliberate creator..
nor do you, in order to find beauty in these divine things..;)
superdiza 1 week ago 41
@superdiza The problem with your statement is that there is order in all things and mathematics do not come from nothing the only thing that comes from nothing is nothing...These intricate patterns are not a fluke. The things we see did not come from a lack of design. They came from a designer..architecture. God is something so many people ignore. Even snowflakes are beautiful in their geometry and are formed at a variety of frequencies. Yeah, this just happens...
JackyBRyant25 1 week ago
@JackyBRyant25 all natural patterns flow to the path of least resistance while shedding energy. some geometries are more harmonious than other in obtaining this form. Mathematics come from the human mind, and you can say that the universe stems from the mind of God. is this the biblical jeudo-christian god? that's only the willing human mind to say.
superdiza 1 week ago
@superdiza No deliberate creator and then you use the word divine? Silly
JackyBRyant25 1 week ago
Nice video, but you're an idiot.
Lojikbom 1 week ago
This number isnt god's work proof...
This number IS "god" (for you religious-based people)
you can call it whatever you want, but it still will be a signal that shakes particles on right frequency and force them to create atoms, molekules and so on. In fact my opinion is: If you ask what life is, then this number is your answer.
zmatekk 1 week ago
1.618 is a Number from Islam! Has the christians stolen that miracle too?
MrGodgive 2 weeks ago
8 / 5 = 1.6, which is closer to 1.618 than 5 / 3 = 1.667
5/2 / 3/2 = 1.667 also, and those aren't simple numbers, they're fractions.
Maybe it's not so much Phi as threes and fives that the bible is interested in? For instance, the Holy Trinity, the Five Books of Moses, etc. etc.
TheDSil 2 weeks ago
sure Phi is found in a lot of things, I always thought it was because of the cellular structure formed in such a way that it was convenient to a-line everything with the golden ratio, that goes for galaxies and the complex forces which create their 1.618 ratios, the Human body and everything else I can think of. Not saying god doesn't exist, just that the golden ratio doesn't in any way prove he does.
Chapter1987 2 weeks ago
The video said phi is found in plants and animals and tornadoes but how? Where is phi found in these things?
Hithall 2 weeks ago
The complexity argument is weak. Things in the universe are complicated, therefore god must have done it.
phasespace 2 weeks ago
In any case, what does it matter about who is what and what is that. We are all people and we should'nt let religion be a factor in excluding each other out. Indefinitely it is a well played role from the eyes behind the reality. Aliens probably do not have these types of arguments since highly advanced creatures do not see any point in arguing about claims that they can not back up. Since the only thing that they can claim to be evident is a book.
ITubeYouK 2 weeks ago
Siddharta Ghutamma, Jesus, and Mohammed all great people. Let's not be excluvists because we have different ideas. Most of history is based on ideas, and ideas change over the centuries so lets not get into religous debate about my God is and your god is not. Get past your primative stages of emotion please:). and get along maybe than can we advance as a human race.
ITubeYouK 2 weeks ago
Even my wiener curls in the Golden Ratio, that's why the girls call me "Piggie".
But recently two of them had a heated arguement about it. One said my dick is clearly Golden Ratio, the said NO! it's Fibonacci Sequenz.
imyourslobobabe 2 weeks ago
one word against all and any, existentialism
AlphaWerks11 2 weeks ago
Surely this disproves God rather than proving Him/It. If all these things were created seperately why would they all be the same ratio? This leads me to believe that there are governing principles throughout the universe which have nothing to do with any God.
TheReegar 2 weeks ago
@TheReegar - it's more that the singularity / big bang sound itself fragments out infinitely-almost and at about infinite scales of size, the same fracture from wholeness, the golden proportion. the 'event' creates a universe permeated by smaller parts and repeating movements (spacetime) of the same original event, over and over again.
whether event was intentional or not, something made it, and out of a type of something. that cannot be escaped.
NWOareScum 2 weeks ago
@NWOareScum scales are strange. there are not *real* sizes to things. every though you have maybe be spawning new levels of existence that echo on creating more and more and more possible things. there are not limits to existing. awareness is the creator and awareness can divide infinitely.
matthias2986 2 weeks ago
@matthias2986 - i've gone back 12 pages...what comment are you replying to? or do you know when i posted it?
i recall asking, i think it was you, someone about specifics of scales..
NWOareScum 2 weeks ago
@TheReegar ...governing principles... Who's governing?
BoomsDad 2 weeks ago
@BoomsDad Why does there have to be a "who" just because there are rules to how the universe works?
TheReegar 2 weeks ago 13
@TheReegar Perhaps it is the supreme realization that who and what are the same thing that we need, in which case we look at ourselves as a what not a who and get on with it. Either way there is a divine creator. Enjoy.
Zhemesor 3 days ago
1.618 is a number, not a mathematical formula.
rocketmagnet 2 weeks ago 2
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Why does everyone use the dopy unrealistic versions of the Noah's Ark?
wyzyrddrummer 2 weeks ago
Why does everyone use the dopy unrealistic versions of the Noah's Ark?
wyzyrddrummer 2 weeks ago
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@wyzyrddrummer - 'Why does everyone use the dopy unrealistic versions of the Noah's Ark?'
cause apparently despite it making sense to humans up until fairly relatively recently, people today have issues comprehending how you can save lifeforms by way of things like holographic memory and van allen belt aether forms and morphogenetic fields and maybe even actual physical samples of dna...
NWOareScum 2 weeks ago
LOL, you probably think bananas are proof of a "god" too
SuperChuckANut 2 weeks ago
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Please watch my story"TIFFANY LEBOUEF SEEKS JUSTICE". I have documents to prove my innocence yet no one wants to even acknowledge it. My life has been destroyed.
joanarc1111 2 weeks ago
2:59 is simply not true. I suppose you're referring to the ratio of the width to the height, which would be 50:30 or 1.6666..., but if it were changed to 50:31 (which Noah could easily change it to), the ratio would become 1.6129... which is much closer to the golden ratio of 1.6180...
EdSlare 2 weeks ago
Trying to prove religious people are mistaking is a waste of time. Religious beliefs are personality disorders, and should be treated as such Symptoms range from simple DELUSIONS ("God exists, because I believe so"), OCD (praying before dinner), PSYCHOSIS ("I saw mother Mary/Jesus Christ/Mohammed").and even PSYCHOPATH behaviour (burning of witches, suicidebombers). BEWARE OF THOSE WHO SUFFER FROM INSANITY.
stonytina1 2 weeks ago
@stonytina1 Same can be said about atheists, rather see the personality disorder: EGOCENTRISM. You are partially correct as in Muslim extremists, or ANY extremist as exist in EVERY group of people that gathers.
There are the good, the bad, & the ugly... in ANY crowd of humans. Many false Xtians too, of course, but don't let that undermine the historicity of Jesus nor His importance & lessons. Don't read the daily New Age lies & conspiracy theory-lovers books makin' big bucks either please.
GoodyBob 2 weeks ago 3
lol
Tanooki88 2 weeks ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh wait ... are you serious?!?
SlayerEmperor 2 weeks ago
The problem with the golden ratio is just that: it's the golden ratio.. It is not observed in any of the instances you mentioned, it's consider the idea ratio for spirals.
It's derived from the Fibonacci equation: n = (n-1) + (n-2). The length of any 90 degree angle in a spiral should be the sum of the 180 degrees before it. Try measuring it with a snail shell, or a flower, or a strand of DNA (which is an awful example because it doesn't even spiral out, which is the very prerequisite)
TownOfLavender 2 weeks ago
A computer didn't just evolve from pond scum, now did it, no, it has an intricate design and obviously a master designer, how much more intricate is the human mind that designed it. To think that the human mind and body and universe with everything in it has no chief architect is as bombastic as it can get.
HiddenRoom1974 2 weeks ago
If I didn't know how to think, I'd come up with stupid conclusions like this video does, too.
alphaenemy 2 weeks ago
False logic
robbiepat 2 weeks ago
I've done the phi or 1.618 to many things and from what discovered is that most humans like my self don't have that proportions so it what we see as beautiful. Not nature humans don't know all of nature to put it into one number that's just saying we know everything and that's just retard
dudeXwereXisXmyXpoo 2 weeks ago
the only good god is a dead god
gnhonho 2 weeks ago
i like the music
nagari 3 weeks ago
"For he who believes--no proof is neccesary. For he who does not--none shall suffice."
--Will Dillinger
axisares 3 weeks ago 2
A mathematical proof without any attempt at proof is a logical contradiction.
alanthedrum 3 weeks ago
Golden ratio point of the world is Mecca.
BatmanbinSuperman12 3 weeks ago
This is in the Quran. js.
BatmanbinSuperman12 3 weeks ago
I've read the bible and there's nothing there like what you have stated here, God just said to Noah to build an arc without saying any 5 cubits... 4 cubits... cubits blah blah blah... you are just making this up! just like the so called PROPHETS pretending that they can hear their God speak, they have and YOU have a decease called schizo!
homuncullus 3 weeks ago
@homuncullus
Read again, please. Simply saying you've read something and that YOU have not found it, doesn't mean it actually is so. A simple search (as you should have done before making such claims) would have given you the text that mentions the measurements for the Ark of Noah. It can be found in Genesis 6: 15. I'm sure the others could be found just as easy. Just to say, do not insult anyone by calling them schizophrenic. It's insensitive.
Shalom
RvGinkel 3 weeks ago
@RvGinkel oh you have the "New International Version" I guess all the NEW versions of the bible have the cubits... cubits in them. I'm sorry I probably read the original... NONE English bible that is around 2 thousand years old... very new if you take into consideration of how OLD our world really is when God created it.
homuncullus 2 weeks ago
@homuncullus Even the Latin version of the Bible mentions cubits. Kudos to you if you can read Aramaic or Hebrew, but that does not change the fact that it does say there are specific measurements involved. Instead of just ranting about my faulty sources, could you disclose perchance what your sources are?
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It is impossible to not stumble on 1,618 so it is not a proof of consept idiot. Spread more hate propaganda for your sick religion and do more harm.
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drgreengood 3 weeks ago
bit.ll /timesci HistoryMatrix
IMSIORG 3 weeks ago
Im trying to undo 30 some years of visualising a 'God' in a stone chair picking out noodles from his epoch enriched beard and trying to 'God' as an origin, as a place where a tiny strawberry seed becomes a succulent strawberry plant. God is also present when you drop the toast NON jam side down. God can be anything. just substitute that tired word for a feeling.
Rohance8 3 weeks ago
''proving the universe was created by Intelligent Design, that is, God''
This is the point at which I stopped paying any attention...
EvilUncleDon 3 weeks ago
@EvilUncleDon Good to know your mind is shut and sealed.
Povidius 3 weeks ago
They need to teach logic in elementary schools, or at least high school.
astaylorgm 3 weeks ago
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High School might be too late for many people who already struggle with logic.
NeotenicApe 3 weeks ago
Whoow!,you can see Santa clauss at the end of the video (^_^),really man quite smoking !
boulesh 3 weeks ago
Gods don't exist! :) That is obvious. Number don't exsist in nature. we invent numbers for trading purposes.
sedeslav 3 weeks ago
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I really don't understand how you came to this conclusion that it is proof of a God. Patterns exist in nature because of natural laws of physics and chemistry and can be broken down even further and explained by mathematics. You are desperately trying to grasp at straws and are the type of person who hits a wall of understanding, refuse to go beyond, and call it God.
NeotenicApe 3 weeks ago
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NeotenicApe 3 weeks ago
What about 3.564 and 4.73 and 8.43 and 1.1106 amd 7 and 3.008 and 4.55341 and ...
tellnet 3 weeks ago
I don't see it there.
IllidanS4 3 weeks ago
i can't believe the bible is brought into this... why is it jesus has the same story as horus ? why is it the ark fits PERFECTLY into the tomb inside the great pyramid which is clearly too small to fit a person, why is it christianity has "christianized" ancient egyptian symbolism ? and why is it christianity was all created AFTER this? now dont get me wrong, there seems to be great truths in the bible... but seems its STOLEN from previous history
ovechkin100 3 weeks ago 2
@ovechkin100 after all, humanity is traced all the way back to africa... where again is egypt ?
ovechkin100 3 weeks ago
@ovechkin100 Not true at all...the new age Horus/Mythra & other garbage comparisons to Jesus have all been debunked & failed long ago. No one can be compared to Jesus in more than a just few co-incidences or generalities.
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago 6
@GoodyBob not true? besides the similarities which i will admit theres not as many as some videos might show, the stories ARE similar, yet you failed to show me as to how the ark fits so well inside the tomb in the pyramid, and if you would be so kind as to explain to me the pictures inside the tomb which are resembled so well in modern freemasonry today, and freemasonry happens to be a denomination of Christianity. there is WAY more truths in it than you think! christianity is STOLEN
ovechkin100 3 weeks ago
@ovechkin100 LOL. Thanks friend, but I've heard about every new monthly trash conspiracy of Jesus/Xtians. & Jesus wasn't Caesar or an alien either.They sell books is all. The tomb in the pyramid is another joke: The avg. Egyptian adult(male and female) could lay down inside the Coffer w/about 188 mm (5.5 in.) clearance to spare at the head/feet. The Ark could NOT have fit inside the Coffer =the Ark was too wide, also too tall. Width of Ark = 1.5 cubits = 37.5 in. Width of coffer= 26.65 in..
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago
@ovechkin100 The age is wrong too. Pyramid built 2700 -2500BC. The ark date=1230-1440BC.ETC. Freemasonry rumors are out of control now. So what if a derivative if Xtianity. Has nothing to do with Jesus that someone CLAIMS to be a Xtian...like Hitler, fake preachers. Please quit reading the new age conspiracy-lovers crap & see real scholars & ones like Sir William Ramsay, EX-atheist archaeologist who tried proving Luke/Book of Acts wrong = after yrs of digs said Luke was correct in every detail!
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago
@GoodyBob freemason rumors out of control? not really. on the 33rd page of the masonic bible, you'll find the holy bible.
ovechkin100 3 weeks ago
@ovechkin100 So what!! Good bye.
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago
@GoodyBob so its obviously not a rumor dipshit! what about all the egyptian symbolism the USA uses TO THIS DAY! clearly also not a rumor seeing at we can SEE it. ?!?!?! dont say bye now i still have questions... oh you dont know? i see : )
ovechkin100 3 weeks ago
@ovechkin100 What? So nice of you to comment & insult me. I'm not debating freemasonry...we were talking about Jesus & Horus false comparisons!! I've studied the pro's & cons of the freemasonry conspiracy THEORIES. I only said they have gone a little too far as there are doubts also. But, I don't care = we were talkin' about Jesus! I'm real tired of all the conspiracy theories d'jour...on everything. Goodbye. Peace & love regardless.
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago
@GoodyBob did my insult hurt your feelings? and its not like you didnt either. "LOL" was that you laughing with me? ouch : (
ovechkin100 3 weeks ago
@GoodyBob God still doesn't exist though... You are making the assumption that God exists in the first place, then comes Jesus. Yet, you use Jesus to prove God's existence. This isn't logical.
CntthnkO15 2 weeks ago
@CntthnkO15 Huh? It's extremely logical & supports what's called critical & deductive reasoning. New discoveries in the quantum world, other dimensions, what happens at Singularity Event in black holes, string theory, multiple universes, etc, all baffle scientists w/many admitting there's intelligent design. If Jesus was God in the flesh, breaking quantum physics w/miracles as even reported by His enemies, fulfilling prophecy, totally sinless, teaching love...then we better quit fartin' around.
GoodyBob 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob Jesus is a rip-off.
yuirrr 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob I don't get what christians love in Jesus.
In the bible, he is merely a "manchevique" socialist preacher that preach equality and ideals of humility that have already been existing since writing was invented.
Jesus's hatred for the rich people only because they were rich is completely pathetic. Both Mathew and Luke are filled with anti-rich propaganda.
Jesus had nothing impressive in his philosophy whatsoever, in the bible he is merely a social-pacifist.
yuirrr 2 weeks ago
@yuirrr LOL...wow, not correct. You have some research & reading to do friend. It's WAY more than you think...try "Emmanuel".
GoodyBob 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob I am just being superficial.
Actually, if Jesus was compared to any other head-of-state with ideals about reforming the society, he'd be crushed.
Actually, the historian Robert Cowley describes the Jesus of the bible as someone who would enforce the submission of the population to the leading groups of society. When Jesus claims that the poor shall inherit the Earth and that social violence is foolish, he just supports caste systems such as feudalism and the non-mobility of classes.
yuirrr 2 weeks ago
@yuirrr Thanks, I agree that love thy neighbor/turn the other cheek is the truth & way to go, but what do we do about the Hitlers (y los machos/nacos/corruptos como H. Chavez) & others bad for civilization (& yes including false preachers). I think we need to stop & put em' in a holding tank jail, but peace & love of God & each other is a great way to live in this earthly dimension. The main deal is that Jesus was way above this earth & is why he had to talk in parables to bronze age minds, etc.
GoodyBob 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob The problem is: Jesus did not teach his disciplies how they should behave in order of having a better life. He was actually trying to teach them how to have a better Afterlife.
And about the rebels, consider this: If it weren't for the rebels, the ones who would defy the bible, we'd still be living inside a feud while putting our wives into submission and with no chances of having a better life while hoping the ones that submitted us during life will burn in hell forever.
Sad life.
yuirrr 2 weeks ago
@yuirrr There's some redneck things that don't add up thrown in the Bible, & the old corrupt Catholics screwed up & twisted Xtianity for control like you said. But, forget the bad ones- Jesus taught the disciples & us ALL how to live while here & how God loves us, & why we should love each other & have a peaceful world...then the afterlife. I've studied a LOT of near death exp.- NDE's & it can't be explained by science. Quantum mechanics & the entanglement theories are baffling scientists too.
GoodyBob 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob I'd keep debating how inteligent were Jesus's ideas, but you touched the afterlife.
I got some questions about it:
Bees go to heaven? Trees go to heaven?
Are there ghosts of bacteria? Dolphins should pray for their loved ones? Are there commandments to tigers?
Are there alien bacteria, fungi and other life forms in Heaven?
R: No. Because God made the man as the purpose of the universe.
Wrong answer, the correct one would be: No, because it was the man that created God and the AL.
yuirrr 2 weeks ago
@yuirrr Jesus taught mainly = do not put value & your soul in this short earthly bowl of greed...build your treasure in heaven. He said "What good does it do for a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul?" Earth is temporary, but heaven is forever.
Do bees have a soul???...I think not. Gotta run to work... take care friend. Adios.
GoodyBob 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob - of course bees and trees etc have souls too. the soul is the thing inside you that makes the difference between if your body is alive or dead. if they didn't have souls they wouldn't be alive.
tho the idea of what alive means is kind of limited in 'modern' thinking, eg only saner more enlightened people realise water is alive, fire is alive, rocks are alive etc. not in exactly the same way as cell etc biology is alive, but can also be inhabited by same kinds of spirit.
NWOareScum 2 weeks ago
@yuirrr - heaven just means creation perfection. eg a type of nearer heaven than this state of being most are in here (if not all) is shown in the film Celestine Prophecy.
it's related to timespace, eg if you went to heaven while still being in a kind of ascended-body-mind consciousness, then it'd be the Earth how it would be if it hadn't been abused and damaged (ie - original timeline), and you'd be like a breatharian or fruitarian or some such.
NWOareScum 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob - '& the old corrupt Catholics screwed up & twisted Xtianity for control like you said.'
well before that it was pretty much gnostics. and the main types of christianity today aren't very gnostic at all.
NWOareScum 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob And the issue about the Afterlife is really simple:
No one has ever seen it, there is no evidence of it, humanity isn't the purpose of the universe, the christian one is based on a broken and horrible system of perpetual suffering or eternal submission(Heavenly "happiness") and a lot more horrible facts about the christian afterlife.
The problem is, buddy, bible was just a mean used by the old states to control the poor classes. See Deuteronomy and Leviticus, per example.
yuirrr 2 weeks ago
@yuirrr No bro' wrong, very wrong. First Jesus was the biggest rebel in all of history...His rebellion still is with us 2,000 yrs. later. Go figure. Do you think it's fair in this world that one person has al, while the others have nothing, with 90% of the poor no fault of theirs that they're poor or born in a hopeless situation? Life sucks without all helping each other instead of greed & ego winning over fairness & compassion.
GoodyBob 2 weeks ago 6
@GoodyBob Your idea of inequality as something wrong was born after the reformation.
Jesus himself supported the poor to remain poor. that is a way of making themselves holy. He was not a rebel, but his ideas were used as the source of rebellions during the roman times. The anabaptist idea that Jesus was actually preaching equality is wrong.
And about the wealth, it's considered greed. And in his own words: It's easier to a camel get inside a bottle than it is to a rich enter the reign of God.
yuirrr 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob 'Do you think it's fair in this world that one person has al, while the others have nothing, with 90% of the poor no fault of theirs that they're poor or born in a hopeless situation?'
jesus learned in india and tibet, siddhartha (buddha) questioned that too, from vedic culture point of view - why are some reincarnated as lower caste? how do you know they were evil in a past life, even if they were - their being here adds more misery, so why have suffering, it won't clear it
NWOareScum 2 weeks ago
@GoodyBob - cause obviously - even if someone is evil so they reincarnate poor etc, then what if they have kids..they are then in hopeless situation also. even if the kids were evil in a past life as well, it still means lots of evil people keep reincarnating. so they ruin the world for anyone in it that isn't evil.
'even if', being the key point, cause as a system it doesn't work to mix good people in with bad people. that's why human world's not about fairness & compassion.
NWOareScum 2 weeks ago