@EnglishWarrior200 More ramblings from our impotent little nazi fiend EnglishWussy200, who hates to be confronted with FACTS and LOGIC. In his world everyone would be a white football thug, underclass scumbag and go around acting tough to cover their insecurity at having a tiny manhood and no life...... poor poor EW...37 and no friends. Has to sit and play all alone. EDL demos are the only time he gets to go out. Poor poor man child. Susan x
...Algebra was known to the Indians, as was chess. The Chinese knew about vaccination. It’s pronounced ‘Averro-eez’, etc. Anyway, if hundreds of thousands of Christians suddenly wanted to immigrate to Saudi Arabia, would the Saudis be obliged to take them because cars and computers were invented in Christendom? Try actually thinking about it, rather than just parading your conscience.
@mrarcher857 My point, really, was that it's a bit silly to claim that Islam, Muslims, or that whole culture has "added nothing" to the melting-pot of human experience when it so clearly has. Of course the origins of many of the things I mention is in question, go back more than 500-600 years and a whole bunch is, but Islamic scholars have compelling claims on most of them. Wasn't attempting to be historically-definitive, more illustrative.
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth Ok. Well it's a world civilization, it'd be very strange if it didn't have some achievements to its name. But if you go into the detail it does indeed seem that Islams' authoritarianism brought about its decline. My point was that this is all totally irrelevant to the debate about mass immigration, which seems to be the EDLs' main gripe, and whereby we've needlessly imported various Islam-specific social problems (honour killings, terrorism, Anjem Choudry etc.) [...]
Respond to this video... [...] Moreover New Labour admitted using immigration as a weapon to marginalize the native culture and punish 'the right'. Isn't that what you should be making videos about, that your own government had a secret plan to remake the country? Doesn't that make the EDL seem kind of trivial?
...Ok, I couldn't resist. Of course there were 'connections' between England and the Islamic world, and the vast population of the Islamic empire did produce a few discoveries (still nothing on the order of, say, ancient China or industrial Europe). None of that is an argument for mass Muslim immigration. I'd love to see your sources for English law being 'based on' Islamic law, sounds pretty fantastical to me since England was never an Islamic country...
@lostwisdom100 Oh, you're really making friends. Give up on the facism and anti-semitism, matey boy, it's kinda had it's day. Facism is so last century.
@lostwisdom100 He was a facist, an anti-Semite, a racist... not to mention that he left the Government to start a party that achieved nothing more than zero seats, a bit of flattering coverage in the Mail, and a few fights in the East End... what do you want, a fucking flowchart?
Getting zero seats and being racist doesn't mean his ideology was flawed in my opinion. Study the Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion. There is no scientific evidence that contradicts Racism, Egalitarianism was a myth created by the eternal Jew Franz Boas.
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth what do you have against cab drivers? why do you include them in your list and why would you assume that a cab driver hasn't got 5 GCSE's?
wrt being BBC-esque, he also seems to be imitating Charlie Brooker's style a little, whether it's intentional or not I don't know. I quite like Charlie from his comedy pov, though I think he constructs a lot of strawmen when he criticises non-left policitcs.
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth you mention 2001 census. But its 2011 now. And I dont see many white people in my area. Most of them have sold their homes and left. I know exactly where they gone. They usually move to Essex where the majority of white folks have set up homes.
The Asian community is expanding very rapidly in East London. I accept if your talking about the national population, than obviously white folks would be the majority.
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth you mention 2001 census. But its 2011 now. And I dont see many white people in my area. Most of them have sold their homes and left. I know exactly where they gone. They usually move to Essex where the majority of white folks have set up homes.
The Asian community is expanding very rapidly in East London. I accept if your talking about the national population, than obviously white folks would be the majority.
@Nuron666 I know it's 2011 now, Nuron. We've just done another census, we do one every 10 years. Between 1991 and 2001, the average change in population demographics of ANY kind (racial, social, sexual, religious, etc etc) was at most a couple of percentage points, and there has been no particularly-large upswing in Islamic (or any other kind) of migration since 2001, so at most we'll see a couple of percentage points difference. My point stands,
Interesting fact: the Daily Mail lent their official support to Mosley and his Blackshirts in the early 1930s until the Battle of Cable Street in 1936, when it was made clear they were too violent even as political fodder.
@niriop you cant keep blaming the Daily Mail for their mistakes back in the 1930's.
You see newspapers are simply reflecting society. Newspapers tend to go along with what the majority of people are feeling.
Society was totally different back in those days. Back then the attitude towards women, foreigners was of a bigotted nature. It was considered normal in them days, to have those attitudes towards minorities.
@Nuron666 I'm not laying any blame, just poiting out a fact. And no, "it was the attitude at the time" is not an excuse for championing a man who wanted an alliance with Nazi Germany.
@niriop come on be fair, at the time no one including The Daily Mail didnt know that Hitlers Nazis were going to atempt to commit mass genocide on the Jews and also invade countries right across Europe.
We must also remember back in them days Homosexuals were sent to prison. Many were sent to mental hospitals and had electric shock treatment.
Even the so called liberal marxists types had nothing to say against this treatment of Homosexuals. Bigotry was going on throughout society
@GriffinPilgrim I was just stating that back in them days, bigotry was accepted as normal in Britain. Bigotry against homosexuals, women, colored people and Jewish people was part of life. A lot of Brits supported Mosely.
But its only now, that you have a lot of people making all sorts of excuses and trying blame the Daily Mail newspaper and trying to cover up all the bigotry.
@Nuron666 Yes bigotry was more common. That is not a good enough excuse. Yes, Brits supported Mosely, but a lot less than some would have you believe, as the Battle of Cable Street proved. And it's a big step from merely "bigot" to supporting an open facist, even back then. And blaming the Mail is not covering up bigotry, it's pointing to it. The Mail is by far the most bigoted, reactionary paper in the country.
@GriffinPilgrim as for the battle of Cable street, many of the people that were fighting against Mosleys black shirts were Jews. How many of them were actually NON JEWS? Probably not many.
The Daily Mail is just a newspaper. Most newspapers simply reflect the attitudes of society.
Newspapers are just the messengers. Trying to blame newspapers is just another away of avoiding the uncomfortable truth. The truth was, people were already bigoted.
@Nuron666 Of course most of the guys in the Battle of Cable Street were Jews. It was a Jewish area, that was kinda the point of hitting the Black Shirts there. But there were plenty of others, including solialists, communists, anarchists and Irish.
Different newspapers represent different aspects of society. The Mail represents a deeply odious minority of British people that likes to think it's the majority. And the Mail does it's best to urge them on in those views. So yes, it can be blamed.
@GriffinPilgrim your saying The Daily Mail represents a deeply odious minority. But does it really.
If you look at modern Britian and examine WHITE FLIGHT. There is plenty of evidence which shows that white folks are moving out of areas which are occupied by Asian, Black and other ethnic groups. Many of these white folks move to be amongst their own kind.
This is one of those issues no one in the leftist, multicultural side wants to talk about. Its one of those uncomfortable truths.
@Nuron666 So a bunch of racists can't stand living next to someone who's different and I'm supposed to care? That would be their problem, not mine and certainly not society's. And yes, the Mail represents a deeply unpleasent minority. While many in this country hold antiquated views, few are quite as bigoted as the Mail would have them be.
@GriffinPilgrim look I am an ethnic minority and over the years I have seen white folks move out of the area. When I was in school, there was only 2 white kids in my class, the rest were all ethnics. All the major cities like London, Birmingham, the whites are now the minority. Within just a 40 years period. You cant blame the Daily Mail for this. Also racism is universal, its not just limited to the white race.
Explain to me why have all these white folks moved. Your not talking small numbers.
@Nuron666 Whites are the minority? That would be massively overdoing it. You are taking a comparitively small trend and blowing it out of all proportion. Of course non-white folks can be racist, never denied that for moment. But in a country with a majority of white people racism in that group is of rather more concern. No, I can't blame the Daily Mail for all racism and it's consequences, but I never tried to. I merely pointed out that the Mail does it's best ti inspire those feelings.
@GriffinPilgrim whites are minority, if you take the major cities like London, Birmingham. These are the big cities in the UK and yet white people have become a minority. If you look at many of the schools, asian and black children easily outnumber white children. The breeding pattern is a lot higher in the asian community than white community.
I do wonder whether a lot of people actually read newspapers. I have never read the Main for well over 2 years. Most people gather information from TV.
I think there is this propoganda against the Daily Mail newspaper by liberal left wing types in order to silence freedom of speech. The liberals basically want to paint this pretty picture of the multicultural society and Muslims in the UK.
See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil seem to be the strategy of left wing liberal elite.
They hate the Daily Mail because it doesnt obey the liberal startegy.
@Nuron666 No, they hate the Daily Mail because it promotes hate and fear. I've no problem with people expressing views different to my own. Reputable, reasonable right-wing papers like the Times I'm fine with. I may not agree, but I respect their point of view. But the Mail is pushing a revolting agenda. And even then I'm not trying to silence it, just saying that I think it's position is odious.
@GriffinPilgrim if you were to ask, Hindus, SIkhs and even Jews. They will actually agree with a lot of the views expressed on the Daily Mail regarding Muslims. The reason why they will agree is because experience the divisions. I am Indian and I see divisions between Muslims and Indians. I see it and I experience it. Even the EDL has Sikh, Jewish and black members. People like you are out of touch, because you havent experienced these problems.
@Nuron666 And? So you're predjudiced and non-white, it that supposed to make it better. I live in a town that is highly multicultural. Religionwise we have Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians of all three major groups. We've got Indians, Pakistanis, Russians, a hell of a lot of Polish and so on. And I literally can't remember the last time we had a racial issue. Those who want to be afraid will see things to be afraid of. The rest of us are a bit better adjusted than that.
@GriffinPilgrim where exactly you live. The racism I am talking about is not rioting and racial gang violence. Its quite racism. Let me tell you how it works down where I live. The Muslims and all the rest will behave very nicely in front of white folks. So most white people are totally unaware of any problems.
The Muslims in my area, when they see Hindus, they spit in front of them. There is a HIndu temple near my house. I often see Muslims walk by and spit and shout insults. cont...
@GriffinPilgrim like I said before its quiet racism. These people if they see white folks, they wont behave in that manner. They will act all civilised, polite and so on.
Every day, I see young muslim kids walk by that temple, have a little spit in front of the temple door. Even at school, I heard of Hindu kids getting bullied by the Muslim kids.
Until you see for yourself and experience this disrespect you wont really understand. Your probably going to say oh this is a small minority etc....
@Nuron666 Yes, I am, because it is. Frankly what you're describing sounds more like teenagers being pricks, which is hardly a trait limited to one religion. You honestly believe that every Muslim in the world is out to get you? Are you that paranoid?
@GriffinPilgrim but the problem is, it seems like these teenagers have been taught by their parents or maybe even by their mosques to go and deliberately have a go at Hindus and jews.
Some of the kids are 7 to 8 year olds. I seen them walk past the Hindu temple and actually spit at the door. They seem to be targetting the temple. They are obviously learning this from somewhere. I have even girls do this, grown men do this. So its not a isolated incident. We cant bury our head in the sand
@Nuron666 No, we can't bury our head in the sand. But nor can we lose ourselves in mindless fear. If one's response to such things is to say "This proves all Muslims are like this" and then start having a go at them every chance one gets then those many Muslims who aren't like that are going to wonder why they bother extending a hand of friendship. It's a viscious circle. Someone's gotta break it, might as well be you.
@GriffinPilgrim the point is no one is actually doing anything about it, because they are too scared to confront them in case it gets ugly. Muslims have a big community down where I live. They have a bit of a mafia type of reputation. They are known to beat up people who dare criticise.
Everyone is walking on egg shells around them. To be honest I just want to leave this shit hole and go to a place where there are no muslims.
@Nuron666 Oh, y'know, somewhere that doesn't have a bunch of jerks who happen to be Muslims. Seems to me you are judging an entire group by just those you have encountered, a deeply unfair and illogical but sadly common mistake.
@GriffinPilgrim what bothers me is the way liberal people like you seem to be more interested in criticising the messenger rather than criticising those who are doing wrong.
I never said the entire Muslim population are scum. I am saying there is far too many who are dishing out their own form of racism and they are able get away with it, by claiming they are just a small minority and pull out the Islamaphobia card. Well its just aint good enough.
@GriffinPilgrim if I were to say, the majority of EDL and BNP members are actually quite nice and reasonable people and they are not Nazi supporters, would you accept that.
@Nuron666 That is not even close to a reasonable comparison. Both the EDL and the BNP are groups dedicated to horrific goals, not large scale belief systems open to massive interpretation. Also the BNP has only 14, 032 registered members, the EDL far less, maybe 3,000 at the most. There are about 1.41 to 1.57 BILLION Muslims. I hope you can see why the former groups are rather easier to generalise about.
@GriffinPilgrim the EDL actually has some Sikh, Jewish and black members. Why do you think those guys are hanging around with them?
Look I dont think you really have any idea of what gangs of Muslims are capable of. Where do you actually live?
I dont think you have any experience of these Muslim communities. I dont know if I told you, I am actually Indian myself. I tell you, I am sick to death of seeing these Muslims and their racism. They just poke away at you, trying to provoke a reaction
@Nuron666 You did tell, me, I don't care. It doesn't affect my pinion of you or your ideals either way. You're wrong, I have had plenty of experience of Muslim communities. I mentioned earlier the multiculteral nature of my town. And I get on fine with them, no worse than any other groups. As for why non-whites would join the EDL, I can only assume they are stupid, deranged or both. Anyone with a lick of sense can see the leadership and most of the membership are the KKK with more dress sense.
@GriffinPilgrim look Muslims willl go out of their way to be nice to white folks. So a lot of white folks living in London think the sun shines out of these Muslims back sides. You have a lot to learn my friend.
Muslims will behave totally different towards Indians and Jews. They are disrespectful, aggressive and they dont care if they offend a Indian or a Jew.
You know why, because they know, liberal white folks like you will always lick their shoes for them just to keep them happy.
@Nuron666 You realise Jews are white, right? Now if you could drop the smug, superior attitudemaybe? I do indeed have a lot to learn. Every human does. But one thing that I don't have to learn is the paranoid idea that every single Muslim in the world is part of some giant conspicracy to deceive us poor little liberals. I don't have to learn this because it is what is commonly known as a delusion. Not even a terribly convincing one.
@GriffinPilgrim I am not spreading conspiracy theories or even paranoia. I am just reporting what I see and experience. I am not saying all Muslims are scum bags. If you look at history and the spread of Islam right across Africa, Asia etc...
Islam as always colonised and taken control of countries by sheer numbers. High birth rates, migration etc..
India is a living proof of what happens when Islam colonise a foreign country. You end up with divisions and conflict. You cant ignore facts.
@Nuron666 India is a living proof of what happens when a country is used a cash cow by an empire for centuries.
The intial spread of Islam was conversion, like most religions. Then it was military, Islamic nations invading others, as most nations did. Since then not one more country has become Islamic, not even occupied countries like Spain. At no point did Islam "outbreed" anyone, the world simply doesn't work like that.
Yes, you are reporting what you see. And are looking no further.
@GriffinPilgrim the problem with India has never been the British Empire. If the British never came to India, Islam would have taken full control and Hinduism would now have been wiped out just like it has been in Pakistan, Bangledesh, Afghanistan and Northern Kashmir. The Muslims have ethnically cleansed Hinduism and Buddhism. The Muslims with the help of liberals in the west have managed to sell this propoganda, by blaming the British empire for all the problems of India.
@Nuron666 First, for Hinduism and Buddism to be "ethnicly cleansed" they would have to be ethnicities. Moving on, you once again are showing deep paranoia. Bullshit Hinduism would have been wiped out. It's the oldest religion it the world, it's not as fragile as that. Muslims have invented a story that the Empire caused problems in India? Do you realise how absurd you sound? I know my history, that area rather well, and the Empire screwed India to the ground.
@GriffinPilgrim you might as well refer to religion in the same way as ethnicity. Muslim do discriminate on religious bases. Most of these wars and massacres over the last few thousand years have been caused by religions. I am not saying Hinduism would have been wiped out in a few centuries. It would take longer, but eventually Islam would have taken over. A good example would be Iran and Iraq. Zoroastrianism, muslims came in and destroyed that culture in a very short period of time.
@GriffinPilgrim Muslims used several underhanded tactics to spread Islam. One of the main tactic was through finance. They gave money to tribal leaders and the poor on one hand than offered the QURAN on the other hand. So they used the same tactic as the devilish SERPENT in the story of Adam and Eve to persuade vulnerable uneducated people into joining this psychotic religion. Fair play to these Muslims, nice trick. Satan would be very proud.
@GriffinPilgrim the British empire ruled India for around 90 years, the ISLAMIC empire were meddling in India for well over 300 years. While the British were more interested in financial and economic gains. The Islamics on the other hand were not only exploiting economic issues but also wanted to colonise and replace Hinduism with Islam. The British introduced Railways medicine, technology to help Indians. The Islamics well, not a lot.
@Nuron666 Watched video. I've seen fairy tales with more historical accuracy. The Mughal Empire was a later development of the Mongols, who did the actual invading and were, at that point, decidedly not Islamic. They never dominated the entire subcontinant, whereas the Brits did. Now, are you going to tell me how the dead of the Mutiny of 1857 and the battles of Seringapatam, Assaye and Gawilghur are all Islam's fault? Consider it a challenge. See if you can get in a midget and a block of ice.
@GriffinPilgrim you are obviously a Muslim pretending to be British.
Look no one is disputing the wrong doing done by the British Empire. But at least they were MEN enough to admit they were wrong, and gave back what they stole and left India.
But the Muslims, my God, they are a piece of work. They will lie through their back teeth just to make themselves look good. The Muslims wont even admit their evil ways and they wont do the decent thing and leave India. People are waking up to Muslims
@Nuron666 Oh. My. Gods. I'm obvoiusly a Muslim pretending to be British? Are you high? First, many Muslims are British. Second, I am definately not amoung their number.
The Empire left India due to the movement headed by Ghandhi, which included many Muslims.
Now in this last paragraph you finally prove what I suspected for a while now; you're off your rocker. Muslims are all "evil", they "lie through their back teeth" etc. You are nothing but a bigot hiding behind a screen of rightousness.
@GriffinPilgrim its interesting you wrote "OH MY. GODS". Sounds like a sneaky little dig at Hindus with their many GODS. The sort of sly comment you often get from Muslims against Hindus. Anyway I am a christian. So that didnt work.
Ghandhi was a nice guy, but we must remember someone like Ghandi would never be allowed to exist in a Islamic country, they would have killed him off. But the British kept him alive and showed compassion and in the end they gave in.
@GriffinPilgrim you do realise ISLAM is totally against paganism, dont you.
Look every single Muslim country in the world has the death penalty, homosexuality is considered a crime and they can be sent to prison or punished by being whipped. Adultery is also a punishable offence. Some muslim countries still stone women. Torture and police brutality is very common in many Muslim countries.
Lets not fool ourselves by assuming only Libya and Iran have oppressive regimes.
@Nuron666 Yes, I know that Islam is anti-pagan. So is Christianity. It's lucky we're a small group or we'd probably get picked on a lot. But I don't like Islam or Christianity. Thankfully I'm capable of seeing the differance between a religion and it's adherants.
Now yes, theocratic Muslim countries are nightmares. But so was thecratic Christian Europe. Theocracy always sucks, what religion it is tends to be only details.
@GriffinPilgrim you cannot compare modern Christianity with Islam. Yes 100 years ago Christianity did persecute Pagans and so on. But modern Christianity has excepted multiculturalism and ethnic diversity. Christianity today is changing to modern pressures, but Islam is not willing to change. There is a major difference.
When you and other liberals are criticising Christianity PLEASE try refering to MODERN christianity rather than Christianity 200 years ago. Your trying to mislead people.
@Nuron666 Modern Christianity is only the way it is because the nations in which it was strong were the first to modernise and so religion was sidelined and had to become more moderate to survive. If the Industrial Revolution et al had happened in the Middle East it would be the other way around. And there are still plenty of Christians who won't change. When the Pope told Africans the condoms spread AIDS he killed more people than every Islamic terrorist in history.
@GriffinPilgrim even if they had the industrial revolution in these Islamic countries, they still would be as backwards as they are now. You only have to look at Muslims in the UK and Europe.
Look Christianity is totally different in Africa and Asia. They are more Old testament orientated. I know I been to a church in India. Europe is more New Testament, love thy neighbour etc.etc...Christianity is very clear, sex after marriage. If Africans are having sex outside marrige then AIDS will happen
@Nuron666 People ALWAYS have sex out of marrage. The only difference is that some of us are not so repressed that we feel bad about our natural behaviour and not so stupid as to not use protection. Btw, what about babies born with AIDS? You feel so sanguine about that?
The fact that Christianity is different in Afica proves my point: organised religion, being a social construct, changes based on the society around it. More progressive societies equal more progressive religion.
@GriffinPilgrim my point is the Pope or the Christian institution cant be blamed for the sexual behaviour of Africans. They have been given all the rules. But if these Africans choose to break the rules and have sex outside marriage or sex with prostitutes, then those individual Africans have to take responsibility for their AIDS situation.
More progressive society only works if you back it up with MONEY. Liberals, Atheists once again under the influence of Money, they become a caring a society
@Nuron666 They've been given absurd rules that barely made sense in the Dark Ages when they were created and certainly don't now. Again, are you so uncaring that the fate of kids with AIDS from birth doesn't faze you? Or some teenagers that got carried away? Seriously, an epidemic that could be all but halted by condoms, the Pope makes that almost impossible and he gets none of the blame? Really?
As to the 2nd part, that was actually my point, the West had the money the Middle East did not.
@GriffinPilgrim look people in Africa and other 3rd world countries dont sit around all day waiting for some POPE figure in the west to give out orders. Life doesnt work like that.
The CONDOM is only about 30 odd years old. How did Africans ever manage to survive without a CONDOM for thousands of years. Answer me that. There are many who are MUSLIMS that have AIDS as well.
The Muslims made a lot of money when they invaded and stole from other cultures. Where do you think that money went.
@Nuron666 Sadly many Africans do listen. There's no getting around this, the Pope murdered thousands.
Actually condoms are a good 200 years old, but that's beside the point because AIDS is only about 30 years old. And for thousands of years, while there were STDs, there was nothing so destructive and viulent.
Again you define Islam as monolithic organisation. It's not. Empires like the Ottomans might have money from conquests, but only the ruling classes and only as political entities.
@GriffinPilgrim once again your misleading people regarding Africa. There are different types of christians and the most popular form of Christianity is the pentacoastal church, which does not follow the Pope. Christianity is very clearly. The 10 commandments, thou shall not commit adultery. You cannot be any clearer than that. Also the Condom yes it has been around but even still, it was generally rich folks that were able to afford a condom. It was not easily available.
@Nuron666 First, there are still many, many Catholics and obviously that's who I'm talking about. Second, no matter how many people try to reinterpret the word, adultery means having sex to someone other than your spouse while married, not having sex while not married. Third, Christianity's attempts to repress natural urges has never worked nor should it. Fourth, again, AIDS has only been around since well after commercially available condoms.
@GriffinPilgrim we cant really be completely sure whether AIDS has been 20 years old, modern medicine was not around way before 100 years ago. So there is a question mark. We also need to look at other forms of sexual diseases. We know that before Christianity, during Pagan times, INCEST was a common practise. Even the Islamics marry 2nd cousins which causes all sorts of disorder in children. Men having sex with men was also common. So I am sure there are plenty of diseases going around
@Nuron666 We can be sure. AIDS is pretty distinctive and the STD with the highest fatality/communicability rates. We'd have noticed. Incest is not sexual disease, it's genetically unwise decision. The 2nd cousin is not a good idea, but is hardly absent from Christian cultures past and present and was not at all encouraged by any Pagan religion except Ancient Eygpt. And yes, Pagan cultures were far more decent and tolerant of Homosexuality than Christian ones, but that's a point on their favour.
@GriffinPilgrim Muslims love pacifists like Ghandi and liberal countries like modern day UK. Because they are easy to push around. Which is why so many Muslims are trying to come into the UK, Europe and even India.
The liberals in the UK will never criticise Muslims, no matter what they do, they will always make excuses on their behalf. This is very worrying, specially if your Jewish or Hindu. Their suffering in the hands of Muslims is being ignored. Muslims are being appeased.
@Nuron666 Oh, yes, Ghandi was easy to push around. He beat and entire Empire without resorting to violent methods, but yeah, big softy...
Once again you parrot the utterly incorrect idea that all Muslims are the same and have the same agenda and the equally incorrect idea that "liberals" (itself an almost useless generalisation) never criticise them. We just aren't bigoted enough to condem one and half million people as being all the same and all evil.
@GriffinPilgrim the point I was making, would Ghandi's non violent protest method have worked in a Islamic country like Iran, Libya etc...?
The answer is NO. Its has simple has that. Islamic countries would not think twice about killing an opposition. Morality means nothing to them.
Where as for the British, morality does matter. The British could have easily killed him off. But they didnt, I would also argue, the British left because of the lack of man power to maintain the empire.
@Nuron666 Libya is not oppressive because it's predominantly Muslim, it's oppressive because Gadaffi's a nutcase. I'll give you Iran, but not every predominately Muslim country is like that. The ones run a theocaracy are, but then they would still be if it was different religion. Government by religion almost always ends up extreme.
@GriffinPilgrim look I never said all muslims are evil. I said there is large element within Britains Muslim community that have this very bad attitude towards NON MUSLIMS. Undercover Mosque I dont believe is isolated. I speak to Hindus, Sikhs, Jews on the internet chat rooms and many of them have said they been experiencing racism from Muslim youths. People in Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford have all the same kind of experience as me. We need to expose these Muslims, we cant ignore it.
@Nuron666 Sure, some Muslims are shitheads and those Muslims I will join you in condeming any day. But it is not and has never been the majority and to go after a whole group based on a minority is deeply unjust. Yet that is what the likes of the EDL would have us do.
@GriffinPilgrim I am not saying all Muslims are bad. But I am also not convinced by the argument that the bigotry that exists within the Muslim community is a minority problem.
Like I told you before I see even little muslim kids spit everytime they walk past the local hindu temple. I see them ridicule them. Its not like I see this once a month. I see it every day. The problem with you is, you have not seen or experienced this problem.Only when you experience the problem, you become enlightened
@Nuron666 Not really. You've only seen an area with serious religious problems. I've only seen an area with very few problems at all. Neither of us has the whole picture from just personal experience and it behooves us to look elsewhere. And on the whole there is not a lot of Islamic violence, bullying etc in this country. I feel for you, living in a bad area, but it doesn't make you an expert anymore than a guy who gets mugged is a sudden expert on crime figures.
@GriffinPilgrim you seem to think that only in my area we are having these problems with Muslims. You need to ask Hindus, SIkhs, Jews living in Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford. This problem is more wide spread than you think. The channel 4 programs despatches which looked at Islamic schools and Mosques, under cover mosque exposed the hidden world of Muslims in the UK. You need to wake up my friend.
Take the case of the 50 Muslim men who were sexually grooming and raping white school girls.
@Nuron666 Despatches, while excellent at investigative jounalism, tend to blow things out of all proportion for ratings. I don't think it's just your area, I just don't think your area is typical. The majority of Muslims in this country are decent sorts and don't deserve to be persecuted because some of their number are jerks. If a Christian commits a crime, are you responsible?
And lay off the patronising "you need to wake up" shit. Just 'cos I hold a different opinion doesn't mean I'm asleep.
@GriffinPilgrim Muslims have only themselves to blame. They are claiming their religion is superior to all other religions. You have so many Mosques, so many of them attend regularly. And even after all that religious brainwashing they are still behaving badly. You only have to look at the prison population, the gang culture, the drug culture. The way their children behave. Its supposed to be the religion peace. What a joke.
Look it just aint good enough. We cant allow them to get away with it
@Nuron666 Um, your religion claims to be superior to all other religions. Every religion does that. Otherwise what's the point? There is no significantly larger proportion of Muslims to non-Muslim criminals in this country. They are rather more likely to be devout, but so what? Same goes for Hindus and especially Sikhs and what people believe is their own business. And belonging to a hypocritical religion like yours I wouldn't throw stones.
@GriffinPilgrim yes your right every religion thinks its the bee's knees. But only Islam will fight, kill and die for their religious beliefs. They also like to stamp thier authority onto every country they enter, mafia like fashion. They are able intimidate countries into submission, rather like the UK.. All the other religions have a more relaxed approach and are not so forceful.
I also never claimed to be a good practising christian, I am more of a unorthodox angry christian lol
@Nuron666 *Ahem* The Crusades, the Inquestion, the Reformation, Northern Ireland, Salem Witch Trails, the French Wars of Religion, the Thirthy Years War, the Taiping Rebellion, Isreal practicly since it's creation...I could go on here, but I think I've made my point. The idea that Islam is the only religion that will use force to acheive it's ends is patently absurd. And no, it's no just historical.
@GriffinPilgrim regarding the Crusades, once again your taking about Christianity in the past. I would argue, the Muslims were doing exactly the same things as the Christians way before the Christians came into the scene. The only difference is, Muslims simply paint a pretty little picture of their past cruelty.
Lets stick to present time and how Muslims are colonising countries around the world creating all sorts divisions. While Christians have cleaned up their act, Muslims havent.
@Nuron666 No, they were not. Medieval Islam was, for the time, progressive and tolerant. Science was encouraged, religious freedom was allowed etc. Sorry, but facts are facts.
OK, lets stick to the present time. Like say, Northern Ireland (which I actually already mentioned), Bosnia etc? Some Christians may have grown up, many haven't. Btw, if you think Muslims are "colonising" countries, you need to look up the word.
@GriffinPilgrim regarding Medieval Islam, we cannot really be sure if they were progressive and tolerant., religious freedom and so on.
We know that Muslim countrys like to cover up their dark side. They like to spread lies. How much of the science Muslims claim they discovered were stolen from other cultures. We dont really know how other cultures were treated. We dont know about the intimidation that went on.
Its a bit like asking the Iranian regime about human rights. How honest are they?
@Nuron666 All countries cover up their dark. But big things have a habit of coming out. A historian should follow the evidence and the evidence is very much in favour of Medieval Islam. These things were remarked upon by many at the time who had no reason to support Islam because they were so unusual: Christian nations were more or less the opposite. Some of science was Roman/Greek, but it was kept alive and expanded. It is deeply predjudiced to simply assume it's all lies because it's Islam.
@GriffinPilgrim I dont care if you think I am being predjudiced to assume that Islam has been spreading a few lies. But from what I have seen from Muslim countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.. I am not that impressed.
Even their religion, they have borrowed stories from Jewish and Christian religious books.
The fact that we dont have any camera evidence to back up many of the claims of Muslim over a 1000 years ago. I will always regard Muslims with great suspicion. I would never trust them
@Nuron666 I thought modern religions need to be seen separate to historical versions. Or is that just Christianity and no-one else?
So what they borrowed stories? Christianity is based on Judaism which is based on Babylonian myths etc. All modern religions, with the possible exception of Hinduism are dsecended from older ones.
No camera evidence, but lots of first hand accounts and arciological evidence, which trumps your bigoted, knee-jerk mistrust I'm afraid.
@Nuron666 Once again you simply assume that "evil" things happened just because it is Islam. You don't care about evidence or truth, only about making your chosen enemy look as bad as possible. I certainly hope that you are not involved with the teaching or study of history. It doesn't need bigots like you.
@GriffinPilgrim I havent assumed anything. I make judgements on Muslims by observing their behaviour. The behaviour of their children and the behaviour of adults. Here is a religion where Muslims attend Mosque everyday. I expect some improvement in their behaviour. But I aint seeing any, they are actually get worse, not better.
As for Islamic history. Any group that goes around spreading a fairytale, suggesting that they were civilised, lovely and sweet to other cultures. Cannot be trusted
@Nuron666 Your linked video just showed me what I already know: The EDL and their ilk are paranoid, bigoted sad acts who believe they represent the majority when they've less than 5,000 members and who despirately want to be warriors in some epic conflict for the country. They're not. They are marginal extremists with messianic delusions. Btw, you are aware that both the EDL and BNP leaderships would like to remove you from the country as well, right?
@GriffinPilgrim the EDL and the BNP are not interested in running the country. They just want to sort out the Muslim problem. Put a stop to Islamic immigration. Yes I know the BNP have race issues.
But I also know that the Muslims also have race issues. And I see their racism every day down where I live. Just yesterday I saw a group of Muslims walking slowly behind a Indian family, spitting continously. These are the kind of bastards that get my blood boiling.
@Nuron666 Two wrongs do not make a right. If you truely believe that the BNP and EDL only care about sorting out the "Muslim Problem" ('cos that's not ominous enough already) and will leave everyone else alone then you are patheticly naive. They are facists and racists. They don't just want to chuck out the Muslims, they want rid of everyone whose not 100% white. By supporting them you are signing your own extradition papers.
@GriffinPilgrim anyone that seriously thinks that the BNP will rule over Britain are living in the land of the fairies.
Already if you support the BNP, you cannot get a job as a Policeman, teacher, tv presenter or even a BALLERINA. So lets get real.
Muslims are already pulling the strings in our society. Example Halal meat. There are many hundreds of Muslims who are in powerful positions in local the councils who are able to persuade the building of Mosques. There at least 5 Mosques in my area
@Nuron666 Of course the BNP are not going to run the country, thankfully the British public seems to have more sense than that. But just because they fail is not a good enough reason to support them on any issue. They are still monsters.
What's your issue with Halal? It's just a different way of preparing meat, hardly a deep corruption of society. And why shouldn't they build mosques? You're a Christian, should people be offended if you build a church?
@GriffinPilgrim I never actually said I supported the BNP. I agree they are unpleasant people, I see many Muslims in the same way as I see the BNP. I dont really see the difference. You only have to look at many of these Muslim countries and how they treat foreign workers. If you do your own research on how foreign servant workers are treated, in many Islamic countries. Its pretty shocking what goes on in those countries.
As for HALAL practices, isnt the UK supposed to be a SECULAR country
@Nuron666 Techniquly no, the UK has a state religion, so we're not a secular country, but I take your point. But we are also a country that supports people's rights to live as they want to, so if Muslims want to eat Halal that's their business. And yes, Islamic theocracies get pretty bad, but as I keep pointing out, so does any theocracy.
@GriffinPilgrim the point I am making is, we in the christian west are giving all sorts of rights to Muslims, like Halal practises, allowing them to build Mosques, allowing Muslims to take part in the political process.
But in return in these Muslim countries, Christians and other groups have no rights.
We have to have GIVE and TAKE.
We in the west are doing the giving, and the Muslims are taking and thats the problem. People are thinking whats the point. Its not like they dont deserve it.
@Nuron666 Muslims in Britain are in absolutely no way responsible for the behaviour of theocratic governments elsewhere. To even suggest as much is rediculous. If they liked those countries and their laws they'd be living there, not here.
@GriffinPilgrim your saying Muslims come to the UK to get away from their theocratic governments. Thats just bullshit. They come to the UK, because we are a soft touch, social benefits, free housing. All you need to do is produce 6 to 7 sweet little children (little devils) and the state will fund these Muslims. They know all the tricks mate. I seen these guys. This country is being screwed. Naive liberals buy into all sob stories that come of mouth of these Muslims.
@Nuron666 Why, is that unfounded accusations I smell? I believe it is! There is one reason and one reason only why anyone emigrates: because they prefer where they are going to where they are coming from. As such few immigrants of any kind have reason to make where they are like where they left. Also if you believe this country is a "soft touch" you are sadly mistaken.
@GriffinPilgrim (cont....) the area I in live in was majority South Indian community, but within a few decades Muslims have managed to infiltrate this community. Buying up houses, buying up properties and converting 5, high street properties into Mosques. A lot of the money is coming from Saudi Arabia. They are producing a whole load racist Muslim children. It really is amazing how quickly they managed to colonise. So you telling me the BNP are a major threat. Come on get real. You cant fool me
@Nuron666 Never said the BNP were a major threat, never even came close to claiming that. Just pointed out that if they had their way they'd deport you, so supporting them is an odd move on your part. Now, if you think that what you describe in colonisation you need a new dictionary. You know what might make Muslim kids less likely to go racist? A few less people condeming them based solely on a trivial distinction. Btw, please read my other comments, I know only 1 shows up in the inbox.
@GriffinPilgrim (cont)... liberals in the UK keep telling us we are a SECULAR society whenever they are arguing with Christian practises but as soon as you mention ISLAM, these liberals move from their SECULAR position to the DIVERSITY position. Isses like wearing of the Burkha, Halal meat and so on. Obviousl special treatment for Muslims.
The other issue I have is, in many Islamic countries today, Christians are being persecuted, churches are being burned down, christians are suffering abuse
@GriffinPilgrim (cont).. Christians are being killed in Iraq, in Pakistan. Persecution going on in Indoneasia, even in Eqypt. Recently a mob of Muslims attacked and set fire to Christian homes in Pakistan. They set fire to some christian men.
The liberal media in the UK have totally ignored the persecution of Christians in these countries. I want to know why? If that had been Israel, they wont stop talking about it.
This is why people have issues against Muslims and their liberal slaves.
@Nuron666 How is the waering of the Burkha or Halal special treatment? Liberals, at least any I know, don't tell Christians to stop their practices, we just don't want those practices forced on us. Trying to force women NOT to wear a Burkha is as bad as forcing them to wear it. And the so-called "liberal" media tends to ignore attacks on Muslims as well. We've got shitty media, what are you gonna do?
Btw, do you want to move this to PMs? It's getting a bit big for comments.
@GriffinPilgrim Halal meat is fine as long as they are labelled. The public as a right to know what they are eating. Athiests and other religious groups that find Halal practises offensive to their belief system should be warned and their needs must be respected.
As for the Burkha, well with 9/11 and 7/7 attacks in western countries and with Islamic fundamentalism being practised in the UK. We have every right to demand for the Burkha to be removed.
@GriffinPilgrim the Burkha should be banned for security reasons. You dont know whos behind a Burkha, it could be a man with a bomb strapped around his waist.
Recently a MP got stapped by this Muslim woman, because she was angry about Iraq. Why is the UK allowing these Muslims all these rights. They have become a burden on our society. Multiculturalism is dead because of them. Deluded liberals are trying to pretend everything is lovely, when it isnt.
@Nuron666 Everything you say about the Burkha applies to a hoodie and a coat. Weak, very weak.
Again, you cannot condem an entire group for the actions of a minority. Btw, your lot get allowances too, you know.
Bull-shiny-shit we are a divided society. Every working day I got to a work with Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Atheists, a Buddhist and little ol'Pagan me and we all get on just fine. Extremists on both sides want you to be afraid, but all you have to do is treat people as people.
@GriffinPilgrim the reason why we have a problem with the Burkha is because it only shows the eyes of a person. The rest of the face and body is covered. We have no problem with Muslim women wearing the head covering which shows the face, the Sikh Turbin etc... Because you can see the face. I actually think the hoodie should be banned as well. Whats wrong with banning them.
Some of freedom people may argue, why cant I use racist language. So we are not completely a free speaking country.
@Nuron666 What's wrong with banning them is that it is removing a freedom for no good reason. They have every right to wear what the hell they want. It's called freedom. Also today it's the Burkha, once the precident is set, it could be the kippah tomoorow or the turban. So long as it doesn't hurt us or violate our rights we have no right to tell people how to live.
You have every right to use racist language. I have every right to say you're a prick for doing so. That's what free speech means.
@GriffinPilgrim I told you the reason for banning the Burkha. 7/7 and 9/11. Security reasons, we dont want another bomb to go off do we. A lot of Christians and even non religious people do find the Burkha offensive, because it stands for Islamic imperialism. It sends a message to non Muslims, that Muslims hold power in the UK.
Also I would argue we are not completely a free country. If I was to wear a tie shirt of the MOHAMMED cartoon or the Nazi Swastika, I could be arrested for that.
@Nuron666 Yeah, 'cos banning a peice of clothing, that'll stop bombings. Get real. You can hide a bomb in a backpack, you gonna ban those too? As Ben Franklin once said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I dislike the Burkha, not because it stands for some non-existant imperialism but because it's sexist, but it's not my right to oppress others choices.
And no, neither of those things can get you arrested.
@GriffinPilgrim banning the Burkha would be symbolic. We want to send message to Muslims saying, if you want to live in this western country you cannot divide yourself the way you are at present and create divisions.
But dont worry I am pretty sure the British government WILL NOT ban the Burkha because Muslims have become very powerful. The liberals in the west are poodles to Muslims.
What ever Muslims want, Muslims get.
I am also pretty sure, that there is going to a bosnia style situation
@Nuron666 Banning the Burkha would be symbolic, but the message it would send is "You get less rights than everyone else. Every other religion or culture can wear their traditional grab, but not you."
Muslims are not very powerful, that is a lie put out by fearmongers who want to create division where there is none. They have their pressure groups, but everyone does.
There is not going to be anything like Bosnia for the simple reason that, try as you might, the population is not that fearful.
@GriffinPilgrim you saying Muslims are not powerful, that is a lie etc..
Well I am saying they are powerful. They are able to build 4 Mosques in my area which has a big Hindu community. One Hindu temple and 4 Muslim Mosque.
How did that happen. You need to have people in high places to pull off that little trick.
I have seen the fear in peoples eyes when gangs of Muslim boys walk down the road. People are leaving these areas, they are sick of these Muslims. I dont blame them
@GriffinPilgrim and how many times I have to tell you, my area is not unique. This problem is happening in many cities in the UK where the Muslim community is increasing in size.
Take a look at Bradford, Birmingham, London, Manchester. Its getting worse.
Ok lets do a deal, get all your liberal pals together and invite these Muslims to go and live in these liberal areas.
The working classes, they had enough of Muslims. They dont want them.
@Nuron666 Not unique, but not typical. Proven by the fact that you must endlessly reference it.
Ah, because of course you speak for the entire working class. That must be nice for them, to have you decide their opinions. Never mind that there are plenty of people from all backgrounds who agree with me, no the working class all shares your opinions. If that were the case the BNP wouldn't be trailing with less than 15,000 members and 13 council seats nationwide. The country is not on your side.
@GriffinPilgrim regarding multiculturalism. We have to take into consideration the large sections of the white population which is deliberately selling up their homes and moving out of areas which contain a lot of ethnic minorities and many of them move to white areas. You also have many white folks who are sending their kids to private schools rather than local schools which as ethnic minorities. So you have this seperate white society that dont really want to live amongst ethnic groups.
@Nuron666 You are vastly overestimating the numbers here. Sure a few jerks can stand living next to someone who's a bit different, but fuck them. I have no interest in associating with those types either. Let 'em sit in their big houses complaining about how things were better in the old days until they get wise to reality or quietly die out. No skin off my nose.
@GriffinPilgrim I am no way over estimating the numbers of white folks that have left these ethnic areas. The area I live in was majority white just 30 years ago. Today its all asian and other ethnic minority. Within a very short time, the white community have fled. This proves that we are not really a multicultural society. This is just pure liberal left wing propoganda.A pure multicultural society would be one where every culture lives in harmony along side each other.But that aint happening.
@Nuron666 Nor will it ever, because people are people. But so what? Just because some arsehole hotheads insist on reactionary views doesn't mean the rest of us can't get along fine, which we do, btw. Again you reference your wretched area like that wins every argument. How many times to I have to tell you that your shitty neighbourhood is not indicative of national trends?
@GriffinPilgrim I am extremely convinced that areas that have a large Muslim population, the other minorities are suffering in some ways and are more likely to pack up and leave.
I dont care what these tree hugging liberals tell me, I have done my research, I have talked with people and they tell me lifes not good in Muslim dominated areas. Its going to get worse.
You can look at France, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway all of them are having problems with Muslims.
@Nuron666 Well, that's it, isn't it? You are utterly convinced, you only research in limited sources and anyone who disagrees with you is clearly just a "tree-hugging liberal" so you can ignore them completely. (Btw, treehugging? I thought that was bullshit right-wing insults for environmentalists, which has nothing to do with this) You are a bigot and like all bigots you need the world to be black and white, good and evil. Complexity bothers you, so you cast Muslims as villians in your drama.
I dont see thousands of white folks lining up in my area wanting to live here. They cant wait to get the hell away from this shit hole.
Where are all these liberals?
I tell you where they are all hiding. They are sitting in their nice little suburb amongst their white friends preaching about how nice Multiculturalism is.
I would love to see the look on their faces if the government move a few thousand Muslims into their area.
@Nuron666 Again with your fucking area. Change the record, this tune's getting boring. Now, so much logical fallacy here. First, assuming all liberals are suburban. They are not. Second, assuming liberals don't live or work in areas with Muslims. They do. I do. Third, assuming liberals who do fit those categories would abandon their beliefs if Muslims moved in. You have no evidence at all for that. It's as bad as "no atheists in foxholes." Again, you assume the world is how you believe it is.
@GriffinPilgrim I have met liberals in my area, when I was in school, I know a few that work as doctors.
And guess what they all have in common, non of them actually live in my area.
They live outside London away from multiculturalism. They get on a train every morning and they travel to my area to do their work and then they bugger off. They are all very well paid. Thats the liberals and their hypocrisy.
@Nuron666 No, that's a handful of people you met and, as usual, judged an entire (and in this case very vague group) based on. This is a thing you do.
@GriffinPilgrim from what I have seen, many of these so called liberals dont really live here or want to live here.
Those white folks that live here tend to be the unemployed, uneducated folks. And they send their children to this one school, which is not even a good school but all the kids in that school are white. You wont find many Asians going there.
Look the only way your going to convince me about the success of multiculturalism is if I see more white folks and their children moving in.
@Nuron666 So the only way you're going to be convinced that a nationwide trend is working is if one specific thing happens in on specific place. Oh, yeah, that's a fair and balanced viewpoint.
@GriffinPilgrim the only way I will have any respect for Muslims if they started treating Hindus, SIkhs and Jews with some respect. Stop treating them like shit.
Muslims need to match the behavioural standard set by Hindus and SIkhs. HIndus and Sikhs are very sociable people, with a low crime rate.
Where as Muslims have a higher crime rate. I want to see good behaviour rather that aggressive behaviour.
@Nuron666 I find it interesting that you refer to Muslims as if they were one giant body all interconnected with a hive mind like tendency to act completely alike.
@GaEv4 if you live down my way and see the behaviour of some of these Muslims. You do come away thinking most of these Muslims seem to behave alike.
Down my way, Muslims have adopted a tactic. They go out of their way to be nice to white folks. But they seem to extremely unpleasant towards Hindus and Jews.
A lot of middle class white folks are just not aware of the problems. They have become blind.
@Nuron666 I have experienced plenty of Muslim communities and got on fine with them. And no, your willful ignorance and petty hatreds are encouraging racism. You know what? I'm done with you. You don't care about truth, decency or basic human rights. You'llignore anything I bring to the table to continue your irrational vendetta. There's no point talking to you, yourfear and hate makes it impossible for you to see the world. Post again if getting the last word matters to you, but I won't reply.
@Nuron666 Thank you, I'm familiar with the idea of this so-called "time-bomb" and it is deepy poorly researched. This country is, has and always will be built on immigration. Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Jews etc, etc, etc. Throughout our history there have been immigrations followed by periods of tension and we always survived, stronger than ever due to our diversity. This is no different.
@EnglishWarrior200 More ramblings from our impotent little nazi fiend EnglishWussy200, who hates to be confronted with FACTS and LOGIC. In his world everyone would be a white football thug, underclass scumbag and go around acting tough to cover their insecurity at having a tiny manhood and no life...... poor poor EW...37 and no friends. Has to sit and play all alone. EDL demos are the only time he gets to go out. Poor poor man child. Susan x
cynicaloptimist2012 1 month ago
...Algebra was known to the Indians, as was chess. The Chinese knew about vaccination. It’s pronounced ‘Averro-eez’, etc. Anyway, if hundreds of thousands of Christians suddenly wanted to immigrate to Saudi Arabia, would the Saudis be obliged to take them because cars and computers were invented in Christendom? Try actually thinking about it, rather than just parading your conscience.
mrarcher857 6 months ago
@mrarcher857 My point, really, was that it's a bit silly to claim that Islam, Muslims, or that whole culture has "added nothing" to the melting-pot of human experience when it so clearly has. Of course the origins of many of the things I mention is in question, go back more than 500-600 years and a whole bunch is, but Islamic scholars have compelling claims on most of them. Wasn't attempting to be historically-definitive, more illustrative.
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 6 months ago
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth Ok. Well it's a world civilization, it'd be very strange if it didn't have some achievements to its name. But if you go into the detail it does indeed seem that Islams' authoritarianism brought about its decline. My point was that this is all totally irrelevant to the debate about mass immigration, which seems to be the EDLs' main gripe, and whereby we've needlessly imported various Islam-specific social problems (honour killings, terrorism, Anjem Choudry etc.) [...]
mrarcher857 6 months ago
Respond to this video... [...] Moreover New Labour admitted using immigration as a weapon to marginalize the native culture and punish 'the right'. Isn't that what you should be making videos about, that your own government had a secret plan to remake the country? Doesn't that make the EDL seem kind of trivial?
mrarcher857 6 months ago
...Ok, I couldn't resist. Of course there were 'connections' between England and the Islamic world, and the vast population of the Islamic empire did produce a few discoveries (still nothing on the order of, say, ancient China or industrial Europe). None of that is an argument for mass Muslim immigration. I'd love to see your sources for English law being 'based on' Islamic law, sounds pretty fantastical to me since England was never an Islamic country...
mrarcher857 6 months ago
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mrarcher857 6 months ago
P.S That nose looks Kosher as hell.
lostwisdom100 10 months ago
@lostwisdom100 Oh, you're really making friends. Give up on the facism and anti-semitism, matey boy, it's kinda had it's day. Facism is so last century.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
Please create a video explaining in detail with facts how Oswald Mosley was "fundamentally flawed".
Or shut the fuck up and stop spewing out BBC esque bullshit.
lostwisdom100 10 months ago
@lostwisdom100 He was a facist, an anti-Semite, a racist... not to mention that he left the Government to start a party that achieved nothing more than zero seats, a bit of flattering coverage in the Mail, and a few fights in the East End... what do you want, a fucking flowchart?
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 10 months ago
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth
Getting zero seats and being racist doesn't mean his ideology was flawed in my opinion. Study the Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion. There is no scientific evidence that contradicts Racism, Egalitarianism was a myth created by the eternal Jew Franz Boas.
lostwisdom100 10 months ago
@lostwisdom100 Ahh, I see - you're a Nazi. Makes much more sense now.
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 10 months ago
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth what do you have against cab drivers? why do you include them in your list and why would you assume that a cab driver hasn't got 5 GCSE's?
ninjascroll6789 9 months ago
@lostwisdom100
wrt being BBC-esque, he also seems to be imitating Charlie Brooker's style a little, whether it's intentional or not I don't know. I quite like Charlie from his comedy pov, though I think he constructs a lot of strawmen when he criticises non-left policitcs.
j1mmyZeta 9 months ago
@j1mmyZeta Brooker's fun, and an influence, although not the only one.
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 9 months ago
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@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth you mention 2001 census. But its 2011 now. And I dont see many white people in my area. Most of them have sold their homes and left. I know exactly where they gone. They usually move to Essex where the majority of white folks have set up homes.
The Asian community is expanding very rapidly in East London. I accept if your talking about the national population, than obviously white folks would be the majority.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth you mention 2001 census. But its 2011 now. And I dont see many white people in my area. Most of them have sold their homes and left. I know exactly where they gone. They usually move to Essex where the majority of white folks have set up homes.
The Asian community is expanding very rapidly in East London. I accept if your talking about the national population, than obviously white folks would be the majority.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 I know it's 2011 now, Nuron. We've just done another census, we do one every 10 years. Between 1991 and 2001, the average change in population demographics of ANY kind (racial, social, sexual, religious, etc etc) was at most a couple of percentage points, and there has been no particularly-large upswing in Islamic (or any other kind) of migration since 2001, so at most we'll see a couple of percentage points difference. My point stands,
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 10 months ago
Great vid, mate. These types are worthy only of contempt.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim Many thanks. How was your vacation?
TheManWhoFeIIToEarth 10 months ago
@TheManWhoFeIIToEarth Vacation? Are we American now? ;-) My HOLIDAY was fine, sunny south coast, can't say fairer than that.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
Good job, great research.
WordIsBond83 10 months ago
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VOTE BEE EM PEE 2012 BEFORR ITS TOO LATE AN DA PAKKIZ TEK OVAH!
SecularNumanist 10 months ago
Interesting fact: the Daily Mail lent their official support to Mosley and his Blackshirts in the early 1930s until the Battle of Cable Street in 1936, when it was made clear they were too violent even as political fodder.
niriop 10 months ago
@niriop you cant keep blaming the Daily Mail for their mistakes back in the 1930's.
You see newspapers are simply reflecting society. Newspapers tend to go along with what the majority of people are feeling.
Society was totally different back in those days. Back then the attitude towards women, foreigners was of a bigotted nature. It was considered normal in them days, to have those attitudes towards minorities.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 I'm not laying any blame, just poiting out a fact. And no, "it was the attitude at the time" is not an excuse for championing a man who wanted an alliance with Nazi Germany.
niriop 10 months ago
@niriop come on be fair, at the time no one including The Daily Mail didnt know that Hitlers Nazis were going to atempt to commit mass genocide on the Jews and also invade countries right across Europe.
We must also remember back in them days Homosexuals were sent to prison. Many were sent to mental hospitals and had electric shock treatment.
Even the so called liberal marxists types had nothing to say against this treatment of Homosexuals. Bigotry was going on throughout society
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 Sorry, you're giving someone a pass for supporting Mosley? Really?
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I was just stating that back in them days, bigotry was accepted as normal in Britain. Bigotry against homosexuals, women, colored people and Jewish people was part of life. A lot of Brits supported Mosely.
But its only now, that you have a lot of people making all sorts of excuses and trying blame the Daily Mail newspaper and trying to cover up all the bigotry.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 Yes bigotry was more common. That is not a good enough excuse. Yes, Brits supported Mosely, but a lot less than some would have you believe, as the Battle of Cable Street proved. And it's a big step from merely "bigot" to supporting an open facist, even back then. And blaming the Mail is not covering up bigotry, it's pointing to it. The Mail is by far the most bigoted, reactionary paper in the country.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim as for the battle of Cable street, many of the people that were fighting against Mosleys black shirts were Jews. How many of them were actually NON JEWS? Probably not many.
The Daily Mail is just a newspaper. Most newspapers simply reflect the attitudes of society.
Newspapers are just the messengers. Trying to blame newspapers is just another away of avoiding the uncomfortable truth. The truth was, people were already bigoted.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 Of course most of the guys in the Battle of Cable Street were Jews. It was a Jewish area, that was kinda the point of hitting the Black Shirts there. But there were plenty of others, including solialists, communists, anarchists and Irish.
Different newspapers represent different aspects of society. The Mail represents a deeply odious minority of British people that likes to think it's the majority. And the Mail does it's best to urge them on in those views. So yes, it can be blamed.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim your saying The Daily Mail represents a deeply odious minority. But does it really.
If you look at modern Britian and examine WHITE FLIGHT. There is plenty of evidence which shows that white folks are moving out of areas which are occupied by Asian, Black and other ethnic groups. Many of these white folks move to be amongst their own kind.
This is one of those issues no one in the leftist, multicultural side wants to talk about. Its one of those uncomfortable truths.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 So a bunch of racists can't stand living next to someone who's different and I'm supposed to care? That would be their problem, not mine and certainly not society's. And yes, the Mail represents a deeply unpleasent minority. While many in this country hold antiquated views, few are quite as bigoted as the Mail would have them be.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim look I am an ethnic minority and over the years I have seen white folks move out of the area. When I was in school, there was only 2 white kids in my class, the rest were all ethnics. All the major cities like London, Birmingham, the whites are now the minority. Within just a 40 years period. You cant blame the Daily Mail for this. Also racism is universal, its not just limited to the white race.
Explain to me why have all these white folks moved. Your not talking small numbers.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 Whites are the minority? That would be massively overdoing it. You are taking a comparitively small trend and blowing it out of all proportion. Of course non-white folks can be racist, never denied that for moment. But in a country with a majority of white people racism in that group is of rather more concern. No, I can't blame the Daily Mail for all racism and it's consequences, but I never tried to. I merely pointed out that the Mail does it's best ti inspire those feelings.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim whites are minority, if you take the major cities like London, Birmingham. These are the big cities in the UK and yet white people have become a minority. If you look at many of the schools, asian and black children easily outnumber white children. The breeding pattern is a lot higher in the asian community than white community.
I do wonder whether a lot of people actually read newspapers. I have never read the Main for well over 2 years. Most people gather information from TV.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim "MAIN" I mean to say "DAILY MAIL"
I think there is this propoganda against the Daily Mail newspaper by liberal left wing types in order to silence freedom of speech. The liberals basically want to paint this pretty picture of the multicultural society and Muslims in the UK.
See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil seem to be the strategy of left wing liberal elite.
They hate the Daily Mail because it doesnt obey the liberal startegy.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 No, they hate the Daily Mail because it promotes hate and fear. I've no problem with people expressing views different to my own. Reputable, reasonable right-wing papers like the Times I'm fine with. I may not agree, but I respect their point of view. But the Mail is pushing a revolting agenda. And even then I'm not trying to silence it, just saying that I think it's position is odious.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim if you were to ask, Hindus, SIkhs and even Jews. They will actually agree with a lot of the views expressed on the Daily Mail regarding Muslims. The reason why they will agree is because experience the divisions. I am Indian and I see divisions between Muslims and Indians. I see it and I experience it. Even the EDL has Sikh, Jewish and black members. People like you are out of touch, because you havent experienced these problems.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 And? So you're predjudiced and non-white, it that supposed to make it better. I live in a town that is highly multicultural. Religionwise we have Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians of all three major groups. We've got Indians, Pakistanis, Russians, a hell of a lot of Polish and so on. And I literally can't remember the last time we had a racial issue. Those who want to be afraid will see things to be afraid of. The rest of us are a bit better adjusted than that.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim where exactly you live. The racism I am talking about is not rioting and racial gang violence. Its quite racism. Let me tell you how it works down where I live. The Muslims and all the rest will behave very nicely in front of white folks. So most white people are totally unaware of any problems.
The Muslims in my area, when they see Hindus, they spit in front of them. There is a HIndu temple near my house. I often see Muslims walk by and spit and shout insults. cont...
Nuron666 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim like I said before its quiet racism. These people if they see white folks, they wont behave in that manner. They will act all civilised, polite and so on.
Every day, I see young muslim kids walk by that temple, have a little spit in front of the temple door. Even at school, I heard of Hindu kids getting bullied by the Muslim kids.
Until you see for yourself and experience this disrespect you wont really understand. Your probably going to say oh this is a small minority etc....
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 Yes, I am, because it is. Frankly what you're describing sounds more like teenagers being pricks, which is hardly a trait limited to one religion. You honestly believe that every Muslim in the world is out to get you? Are you that paranoid?
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim but the problem is, it seems like these teenagers have been taught by their parents or maybe even by their mosques to go and deliberately have a go at Hindus and jews.
Some of the kids are 7 to 8 year olds. I seen them walk past the Hindu temple and actually spit at the door. They seem to be targetting the temple. They are obviously learning this from somewhere. I have even girls do this, grown men do this. So its not a isolated incident. We cant bury our head in the sand
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 No, we can't bury our head in the sand. But nor can we lose ourselves in mindless fear. If one's response to such things is to say "This proves all Muslims are like this" and then start having a go at them every chance one gets then those many Muslims who aren't like that are going to wonder why they bother extending a hand of friendship. It's a viscious circle. Someone's gotta break it, might as well be you.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the point is no one is actually doing anything about it, because they are too scared to confront them in case it gets ugly. Muslims have a big community down where I live. They have a bit of a mafia type of reputation. They are known to beat up people who dare criticise.
Everyone is walking on egg shells around them. To be honest I just want to leave this shit hole and go to a place where there are no muslims.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 Oh, y'know, somewhere that doesn't have a bunch of jerks who happen to be Muslims. Seems to me you are judging an entire group by just those you have encountered, a deeply unfair and illogical but sadly common mistake.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim what bothers me is the way liberal people like you seem to be more interested in criticising the messenger rather than criticising those who are doing wrong.
I never said the entire Muslim population are scum. I am saying there is far too many who are dishing out their own form of racism and they are able get away with it, by claiming they are just a small minority and pull out the Islamaphobia card. Well its just aint good enough.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim if I were to say, the majority of EDL and BNP members are actually quite nice and reasonable people and they are not Nazi supporters, would you accept that.
No of course you wouldnt.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 That is not even close to a reasonable comparison. Both the EDL and the BNP are groups dedicated to horrific goals, not large scale belief systems open to massive interpretation. Also the BNP has only 14, 032 registered members, the EDL far less, maybe 3,000 at the most. There are about 1.41 to 1.57 BILLION Muslims. I hope you can see why the former groups are rather easier to generalise about.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the EDL actually has some Sikh, Jewish and black members. Why do you think those guys are hanging around with them?
Look I dont think you really have any idea of what gangs of Muslims are capable of. Where do you actually live?
I dont think you have any experience of these Muslim communities. I dont know if I told you, I am actually Indian myself. I tell you, I am sick to death of seeing these Muslims and their racism. They just poke away at you, trying to provoke a reaction
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 You did tell, me, I don't care. It doesn't affect my pinion of you or your ideals either way. You're wrong, I have had plenty of experience of Muslim communities. I mentioned earlier the multiculteral nature of my town. And I get on fine with them, no worse than any other groups. As for why non-whites would join the EDL, I can only assume they are stupid, deranged or both. Anyone with a lick of sense can see the leadership and most of the membership are the KKK with more dress sense.
GriffinPilgrim 10 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim look Muslims willl go out of their way to be nice to white folks. So a lot of white folks living in London think the sun shines out of these Muslims back sides. You have a lot to learn my friend.
Muslims will behave totally different towards Indians and Jews. They are disrespectful, aggressive and they dont care if they offend a Indian or a Jew.
You know why, because they know, liberal white folks like you will always lick their shoes for them just to keep them happy.
Nuron666 10 months ago
@Nuron666 You realise Jews are white, right? Now if you could drop the smug, superior attitudemaybe? I do indeed have a lot to learn. Every human does. But one thing that I don't have to learn is the paranoid idea that every single Muslim in the world is part of some giant conspicracy to deceive us poor little liberals. I don't have to learn this because it is what is commonly known as a delusion. Not even a terribly convincing one.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I am not spreading conspiracy theories or even paranoia. I am just reporting what I see and experience. I am not saying all Muslims are scum bags. If you look at history and the spread of Islam right across Africa, Asia etc...
Islam as always colonised and taken control of countries by sheer numbers. High birth rates, migration etc..
India is a living proof of what happens when Islam colonise a foreign country. You end up with divisions and conflict. You cant ignore facts.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 India is a living proof of what happens when a country is used a cash cow by an empire for centuries.
The intial spread of Islam was conversion, like most religions. Then it was military, Islamic nations invading others, as most nations did. Since then not one more country has become Islamic, not even occupied countries like Spain. At no point did Islam "outbreed" anyone, the world simply doesn't work like that.
Yes, you are reporting what you see. And are looking no further.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the problem with India has never been the British Empire. If the British never came to India, Islam would have taken full control and Hinduism would now have been wiped out just like it has been in Pakistan, Bangledesh, Afghanistan and Northern Kashmir. The Muslims have ethnically cleansed Hinduism and Buddhism. The Muslims with the help of liberals in the west have managed to sell this propoganda, by blaming the British empire for all the problems of India.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 First, for Hinduism and Buddism to be "ethnicly cleansed" they would have to be ethnicities. Moving on, you once again are showing deep paranoia. Bullshit Hinduism would have been wiped out. It's the oldest religion it the world, it's not as fragile as that. Muslims have invented a story that the Empire caused problems in India? Do you realise how absurd you sound? I know my history, that area rather well, and the Empire screwed India to the ground.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim you might as well refer to religion in the same way as ethnicity. Muslim do discriminate on religious bases. Most of these wars and massacres over the last few thousand years have been caused by religions. I am not saying Hinduism would have been wiped out in a few centuries. It would take longer, but eventually Islam would have taken over. A good example would be Iran and Iraq. Zoroastrianism, muslims came in and destroyed that culture in a very short period of time.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim Muslims used several underhanded tactics to spread Islam. One of the main tactic was through finance. They gave money to tribal leaders and the poor on one hand than offered the QURAN on the other hand. So they used the same tactic as the devilish SERPENT in the story of Adam and Eve to persuade vulnerable uneducated people into joining this psychotic religion. Fair play to these Muslims, nice trick. Satan would be very proud.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the British empire ruled India for around 90 years, the ISLAMIC empire were meddling in India for well over 300 years. While the British were more interested in financial and economic gains. The Islamics on the other hand were not only exploiting economic issues but also wanted to colonise and replace Hinduism with Islam. The British introduced Railways medicine, technology to help Indians. The Islamics well, not a lot.
Watch video below
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Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Watched video. I've seen fairy tales with more historical accuracy. The Mughal Empire was a later development of the Mongols, who did the actual invading and were, at that point, decidedly not Islamic. They never dominated the entire subcontinant, whereas the Brits did. Now, are you going to tell me how the dead of the Mutiny of 1857 and the battles of Seringapatam, Assaye and Gawilghur are all Islam's fault? Consider it a challenge. See if you can get in a midget and a block of ice.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim you are obviously a Muslim pretending to be British.
Look no one is disputing the wrong doing done by the British Empire. But at least they were MEN enough to admit they were wrong, and gave back what they stole and left India.
But the Muslims, my God, they are a piece of work. They will lie through their back teeth just to make themselves look good. The Muslims wont even admit their evil ways and they wont do the decent thing and leave India. People are waking up to Muslims
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Oh. My. Gods. I'm obvoiusly a Muslim pretending to be British? Are you high? First, many Muslims are British. Second, I am definately not amoung their number.
The Empire left India due to the movement headed by Ghandhi, which included many Muslims.
Now in this last paragraph you finally prove what I suspected for a while now; you're off your rocker. Muslims are all "evil", they "lie through their back teeth" etc. You are nothing but a bigot hiding behind a screen of rightousness.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim its interesting you wrote "OH MY. GODS". Sounds like a sneaky little dig at Hindus with their many GODS. The sort of sly comment you often get from Muslims against Hindus. Anyway I am a christian. So that didnt work.
Ghandhi was a nice guy, but we must remember someone like Ghandi would never be allowed to exist in a Islamic country, they would have killed him off. But the British kept him alive and showed compassion and in the end they gave in.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 No, it was not a dig at anyone. I'm a Neo-Pagan, I'm polythetistic.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim you do realise ISLAM is totally against paganism, dont you.
Look every single Muslim country in the world has the death penalty, homosexuality is considered a crime and they can be sent to prison or punished by being whipped. Adultery is also a punishable offence. Some muslim countries still stone women. Torture and police brutality is very common in many Muslim countries.
Lets not fool ourselves by assuming only Libya and Iran have oppressive regimes.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Yes, I know that Islam is anti-pagan. So is Christianity. It's lucky we're a small group or we'd probably get picked on a lot. But I don't like Islam or Christianity. Thankfully I'm capable of seeing the differance between a religion and it's adherants.
Now yes, theocratic Muslim countries are nightmares. But so was thecratic Christian Europe. Theocracy always sucks, what religion it is tends to be only details.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim you cannot compare modern Christianity with Islam. Yes 100 years ago Christianity did persecute Pagans and so on. But modern Christianity has excepted multiculturalism and ethnic diversity. Christianity today is changing to modern pressures, but Islam is not willing to change. There is a major difference.
When you and other liberals are criticising Christianity PLEASE try refering to MODERN christianity rather than Christianity 200 years ago. Your trying to mislead people.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Modern Christianity is only the way it is because the nations in which it was strong were the first to modernise and so religion was sidelined and had to become more moderate to survive. If the Industrial Revolution et al had happened in the Middle East it would be the other way around. And there are still plenty of Christians who won't change. When the Pope told Africans the condoms spread AIDS he killed more people than every Islamic terrorist in history.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim even if they had the industrial revolution in these Islamic countries, they still would be as backwards as they are now. You only have to look at Muslims in the UK and Europe.
Look Christianity is totally different in Africa and Asia. They are more Old testament orientated. I know I been to a church in India. Europe is more New Testament, love thy neighbour etc.etc...Christianity is very clear, sex after marriage. If Africans are having sex outside marrige then AIDS will happen
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 People ALWAYS have sex out of marrage. The only difference is that some of us are not so repressed that we feel bad about our natural behaviour and not so stupid as to not use protection. Btw, what about babies born with AIDS? You feel so sanguine about that?
The fact that Christianity is different in Afica proves my point: organised religion, being a social construct, changes based on the society around it. More progressive societies equal more progressive religion.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim my point is the Pope or the Christian institution cant be blamed for the sexual behaviour of Africans. They have been given all the rules. But if these Africans choose to break the rules and have sex outside marriage or sex with prostitutes, then those individual Africans have to take responsibility for their AIDS situation.
More progressive society only works if you back it up with MONEY. Liberals, Atheists once again under the influence of Money, they become a caring a society
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 They've been given absurd rules that barely made sense in the Dark Ages when they were created and certainly don't now. Again, are you so uncaring that the fate of kids with AIDS from birth doesn't faze you? Or some teenagers that got carried away? Seriously, an epidemic that could be all but halted by condoms, the Pope makes that almost impossible and he gets none of the blame? Really?
As to the 2nd part, that was actually my point, the West had the money the Middle East did not.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim look people in Africa and other 3rd world countries dont sit around all day waiting for some POPE figure in the west to give out orders. Life doesnt work like that.
The CONDOM is only about 30 odd years old. How did Africans ever manage to survive without a CONDOM for thousands of years. Answer me that. There are many who are MUSLIMS that have AIDS as well.
The Muslims made a lot of money when they invaded and stole from other cultures. Where do you think that money went.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Sadly many Africans do listen. There's no getting around this, the Pope murdered thousands.
Actually condoms are a good 200 years old, but that's beside the point because AIDS is only about 30 years old. And for thousands of years, while there were STDs, there was nothing so destructive and viulent.
Again you define Islam as monolithic organisation. It's not. Empires like the Ottomans might have money from conquests, but only the ruling classes and only as political entities.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim once again your misleading people regarding Africa. There are different types of christians and the most popular form of Christianity is the pentacoastal church, which does not follow the Pope. Christianity is very clearly. The 10 commandments, thou shall not commit adultery. You cannot be any clearer than that. Also the Condom yes it has been around but even still, it was generally rich folks that were able to afford a condom. It was not easily available.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 First, there are still many, many Catholics and obviously that's who I'm talking about. Second, no matter how many people try to reinterpret the word, adultery means having sex to someone other than your spouse while married, not having sex while not married. Third, Christianity's attempts to repress natural urges has never worked nor should it. Fourth, again, AIDS has only been around since well after commercially available condoms.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim we cant really be completely sure whether AIDS has been 20 years old, modern medicine was not around way before 100 years ago. So there is a question mark. We also need to look at other forms of sexual diseases. We know that before Christianity, during Pagan times, INCEST was a common practise. Even the Islamics marry 2nd cousins which causes all sorts of disorder in children. Men having sex with men was also common. So I am sure there are plenty of diseases going around
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 We can be sure. AIDS is pretty distinctive and the STD with the highest fatality/communicability rates. We'd have noticed. Incest is not sexual disease, it's genetically unwise decision. The 2nd cousin is not a good idea, but is hardly absent from Christian cultures past and present and was not at all encouraged by any Pagan religion except Ancient Eygpt. And yes, Pagan cultures were far more decent and tolerant of Homosexuality than Christian ones, but that's a point on their favour.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim Muslims love pacifists like Ghandi and liberal countries like modern day UK. Because they are easy to push around. Which is why so many Muslims are trying to come into the UK, Europe and even India.
The liberals in the UK will never criticise Muslims, no matter what they do, they will always make excuses on their behalf. This is very worrying, specially if your Jewish or Hindu. Their suffering in the hands of Muslims is being ignored. Muslims are being appeased.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Oh, yes, Ghandi was easy to push around. He beat and entire Empire without resorting to violent methods, but yeah, big softy...
Once again you parrot the utterly incorrect idea that all Muslims are the same and have the same agenda and the equally incorrect idea that "liberals" (itself an almost useless generalisation) never criticise them. We just aren't bigoted enough to condem one and half million people as being all the same and all evil.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the point I was making, would Ghandi's non violent protest method have worked in a Islamic country like Iran, Libya etc...?
The answer is NO. Its has simple has that. Islamic countries would not think twice about killing an opposition. Morality means nothing to them.
Where as for the British, morality does matter. The British could have easily killed him off. But they didnt, I would also argue, the British left because of the lack of man power to maintain the empire.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Libya is not oppressive because it's predominantly Muslim, it's oppressive because Gadaffi's a nutcase. I'll give you Iran, but not every predominately Muslim country is like that. The ones run a theocaracy are, but then they would still be if it was different religion. Government by religion almost always ends up extreme.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim look I never said all muslims are evil. I said there is large element within Britains Muslim community that have this very bad attitude towards NON MUSLIMS. Undercover Mosque I dont believe is isolated. I speak to Hindus, Sikhs, Jews on the internet chat rooms and many of them have said they been experiencing racism from Muslim youths. People in Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford have all the same kind of experience as me. We need to expose these Muslims, we cant ignore it.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Sure, some Muslims are shitheads and those Muslims I will join you in condeming any day. But it is not and has never been the majority and to go after a whole group based on a minority is deeply unjust. Yet that is what the likes of the EDL would have us do.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I am not saying all Muslims are bad. But I am also not convinced by the argument that the bigotry that exists within the Muslim community is a minority problem.
Like I told you before I see even little muslim kids spit everytime they walk past the local hindu temple. I see them ridicule them. Its not like I see this once a month. I see it every day. The problem with you is, you have not seen or experienced this problem.Only when you experience the problem, you become enlightened
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Not really. You've only seen an area with serious religious problems. I've only seen an area with very few problems at all. Neither of us has the whole picture from just personal experience and it behooves us to look elsewhere. And on the whole there is not a lot of Islamic violence, bullying etc in this country. I feel for you, living in a bad area, but it doesn't make you an expert anymore than a guy who gets mugged is a sudden expert on crime figures.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim you seem to think that only in my area we are having these problems with Muslims. You need to ask Hindus, SIkhs, Jews living in Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford. This problem is more wide spread than you think. The channel 4 programs despatches which looked at Islamic schools and Mosques, under cover mosque exposed the hidden world of Muslims in the UK. You need to wake up my friend.
Take the case of the 50 Muslim men who were sexually grooming and raping white school girls.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Despatches, while excellent at investigative jounalism, tend to blow things out of all proportion for ratings. I don't think it's just your area, I just don't think your area is typical. The majority of Muslims in this country are decent sorts and don't deserve to be persecuted because some of their number are jerks. If a Christian commits a crime, are you responsible?
And lay off the patronising "you need to wake up" shit. Just 'cos I hold a different opinion doesn't mean I'm asleep.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim Muslims have only themselves to blame. They are claiming their religion is superior to all other religions. You have so many Mosques, so many of them attend regularly. And even after all that religious brainwashing they are still behaving badly. You only have to look at the prison population, the gang culture, the drug culture. The way their children behave. Its supposed to be the religion peace. What a joke.
Look it just aint good enough. We cant allow them to get away with it
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Um, your religion claims to be superior to all other religions. Every religion does that. Otherwise what's the point? There is no significantly larger proportion of Muslims to non-Muslim criminals in this country. They are rather more likely to be devout, but so what? Same goes for Hindus and especially Sikhs and what people believe is their own business. And belonging to a hypocritical religion like yours I wouldn't throw stones.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim yes your right every religion thinks its the bee's knees. But only Islam will fight, kill and die for their religious beliefs. They also like to stamp thier authority onto every country they enter, mafia like fashion. They are able intimidate countries into submission, rather like the UK.. All the other religions have a more relaxed approach and are not so forceful.
I also never claimed to be a good practising christian, I am more of a unorthodox angry christian lol
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 *Ahem* The Crusades, the Inquestion, the Reformation, Northern Ireland, Salem Witch Trails, the French Wars of Religion, the Thirthy Years War, the Taiping Rebellion, Isreal practicly since it's creation...I could go on here, but I think I've made my point. The idea that Islam is the only religion that will use force to acheive it's ends is patently absurd. And no, it's no just historical.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim regarding the Crusades, once again your taking about Christianity in the past. I would argue, the Muslims were doing exactly the same things as the Christians way before the Christians came into the scene. The only difference is, Muslims simply paint a pretty little picture of their past cruelty.
Lets stick to present time and how Muslims are colonising countries around the world creating all sorts divisions. While Christians have cleaned up their act, Muslims havent.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 No, they were not. Medieval Islam was, for the time, progressive and tolerant. Science was encouraged, religious freedom was allowed etc. Sorry, but facts are facts.
OK, lets stick to the present time. Like say, Northern Ireland (which I actually already mentioned), Bosnia etc? Some Christians may have grown up, many haven't. Btw, if you think Muslims are "colonising" countries, you need to look up the word.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim regarding Medieval Islam, we cannot really be sure if they were progressive and tolerant., religious freedom and so on.
We know that Muslim countrys like to cover up their dark side. They like to spread lies. How much of the science Muslims claim they discovered were stolen from other cultures. We dont really know how other cultures were treated. We dont know about the intimidation that went on.
Its a bit like asking the Iranian regime about human rights. How honest are they?
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 All countries cover up their dark. But big things have a habit of coming out. A historian should follow the evidence and the evidence is very much in favour of Medieval Islam. These things were remarked upon by many at the time who had no reason to support Islam because they were so unusual: Christian nations were more or less the opposite. Some of science was Roman/Greek, but it was kept alive and expanded. It is deeply predjudiced to simply assume it's all lies because it's Islam.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I dont care if you think I am being predjudiced to assume that Islam has been spreading a few lies. But from what I have seen from Muslim countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.. I am not that impressed.
Even their religion, they have borrowed stories from Jewish and Christian religious books.
The fact that we dont have any camera evidence to back up many of the claims of Muslim over a 1000 years ago. I will always regard Muslims with great suspicion. I would never trust them
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 I thought modern religions need to be seen separate to historical versions. Or is that just Christianity and no-one else?
So what they borrowed stories? Christianity is based on Judaism which is based on Babylonian myths etc. All modern religions, with the possible exception of Hinduism are dsecended from older ones.
No camera evidence, but lots of first hand accounts and arciological evidence, which trumps your bigoted, knee-jerk mistrust I'm afraid.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim Archiological evidence and the so called first hand accounts cannot explain everything that went on a thousand years ago.
We dont know the rapes by Muslim men on non Muslim women. Those kinds of records are covered up.
The Islamic book itself allows Muslims to lie. There is a word called Al Taqqia, look it up.
Better still check out utube user TXHALABI. He has over 40 videos exposing Islam and its evil ways
Watch the below video
watch?v=zML82A18Bzw
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Once again you simply assume that "evil" things happened just because it is Islam. You don't care about evidence or truth, only about making your chosen enemy look as bad as possible. I certainly hope that you are not involved with the teaching or study of history. It doesn't need bigots like you.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I havent assumed anything. I make judgements on Muslims by observing their behaviour. The behaviour of their children and the behaviour of adults. Here is a religion where Muslims attend Mosque everyday. I expect some improvement in their behaviour. But I aint seeing any, they are actually get worse, not better.
As for Islamic history. Any group that goes around spreading a fairytale, suggesting that they were civilised, lovely and sweet to other cultures. Cannot be trusted
Nuron666 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim watch the below video. This video as a more balanced view of what the EDL is worried about.
watch?v=TyzDOHLa2gk&feature=channel_video_title
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Your linked video just showed me what I already know: The EDL and their ilk are paranoid, bigoted sad acts who believe they represent the majority when they've less than 5,000 members and who despirately want to be warriors in some epic conflict for the country. They're not. They are marginal extremists with messianic delusions. Btw, you are aware that both the EDL and BNP leaderships would like to remove you from the country as well, right?
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the EDL and the BNP are not interested in running the country. They just want to sort out the Muslim problem. Put a stop to Islamic immigration. Yes I know the BNP have race issues.
But I also know that the Muslims also have race issues. And I see their racism every day down where I live. Just yesterday I saw a group of Muslims walking slowly behind a Indian family, spitting continously. These are the kind of bastards that get my blood boiling.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Two wrongs do not make a right. If you truely believe that the BNP and EDL only care about sorting out the "Muslim Problem" ('cos that's not ominous enough already) and will leave everyone else alone then you are patheticly naive. They are facists and racists. They don't just want to chuck out the Muslims, they want rid of everyone whose not 100% white. By supporting them you are signing your own extradition papers.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim anyone that seriously thinks that the BNP will rule over Britain are living in the land of the fairies.
Already if you support the BNP, you cannot get a job as a Policeman, teacher, tv presenter or even a BALLERINA. So lets get real.
Muslims are already pulling the strings in our society. Example Halal meat. There are many hundreds of Muslims who are in powerful positions in local the councils who are able to persuade the building of Mosques. There at least 5 Mosques in my area
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Of course the BNP are not going to run the country, thankfully the British public seems to have more sense than that. But just because they fail is not a good enough reason to support them on any issue. They are still monsters.
What's your issue with Halal? It's just a different way of preparing meat, hardly a deep corruption of society. And why shouldn't they build mosques? You're a Christian, should people be offended if you build a church?
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I never actually said I supported the BNP. I agree they are unpleasant people, I see many Muslims in the same way as I see the BNP. I dont really see the difference. You only have to look at many of these Muslim countries and how they treat foreign workers. If you do your own research on how foreign servant workers are treated, in many Islamic countries. Its pretty shocking what goes on in those countries.
As for HALAL practices, isnt the UK supposed to be a SECULAR country
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Techniquly no, the UK has a state religion, so we're not a secular country, but I take your point. But we are also a country that supports people's rights to live as they want to, so if Muslims want to eat Halal that's their business. And yes, Islamic theocracies get pretty bad, but as I keep pointing out, so does any theocracy.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the point I am making is, we in the christian west are giving all sorts of rights to Muslims, like Halal practises, allowing them to build Mosques, allowing Muslims to take part in the political process.
But in return in these Muslim countries, Christians and other groups have no rights.
We have to have GIVE and TAKE.
We in the west are doing the giving, and the Muslims are taking and thats the problem. People are thinking whats the point. Its not like they dont deserve it.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Muslims in Britain are in absolutely no way responsible for the behaviour of theocratic governments elsewhere. To even suggest as much is rediculous. If they liked those countries and their laws they'd be living there, not here.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim your saying Muslims come to the UK to get away from their theocratic governments. Thats just bullshit. They come to the UK, because we are a soft touch, social benefits, free housing. All you need to do is produce 6 to 7 sweet little children (little devils) and the state will fund these Muslims. They know all the tricks mate. I seen these guys. This country is being screwed. Naive liberals buy into all sob stories that come of mouth of these Muslims.
Nuron666 9 months ago
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@Nuron666 Why, is that unfounded accusations I smell? I believe it is! There is one reason and one reason only why anyone emigrates: because they prefer where they are going to where they are coming from. As such few immigrants of any kind have reason to make where they are like where they left. Also if you believe this country is a "soft touch" you are sadly mistaken.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
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Nuron666 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim (cont....) the area I in live in was majority South Indian community, but within a few decades Muslims have managed to infiltrate this community. Buying up houses, buying up properties and converting 5, high street properties into Mosques. A lot of the money is coming from Saudi Arabia. They are producing a whole load racist Muslim children. It really is amazing how quickly they managed to colonise. So you telling me the BNP are a major threat. Come on get real. You cant fool me
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Never said the BNP were a major threat, never even came close to claiming that. Just pointed out that if they had their way they'd deport you, so supporting them is an odd move on your part. Now, if you think that what you describe in colonisation you need a new dictionary. You know what might make Muslim kids less likely to go racist? A few less people condeming them based solely on a trivial distinction. Btw, please read my other comments, I know only 1 shows up in the inbox.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim (cont)... liberals in the UK keep telling us we are a SECULAR society whenever they are arguing with Christian practises but as soon as you mention ISLAM, these liberals move from their SECULAR position to the DIVERSITY position. Isses like wearing of the Burkha, Halal meat and so on. Obviousl special treatment for Muslims.
The other issue I have is, in many Islamic countries today, Christians are being persecuted, churches are being burned down, christians are suffering abuse
Nuron666 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim (cont).. Christians are being killed in Iraq, in Pakistan. Persecution going on in Indoneasia, even in Eqypt. Recently a mob of Muslims attacked and set fire to Christian homes in Pakistan. They set fire to some christian men.
The liberal media in the UK have totally ignored the persecution of Christians in these countries. I want to know why? If that had been Israel, they wont stop talking about it.
This is why people have issues against Muslims and their liberal slaves.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 How is the waering of the Burkha or Halal special treatment? Liberals, at least any I know, don't tell Christians to stop their practices, we just don't want those practices forced on us. Trying to force women NOT to wear a Burkha is as bad as forcing them to wear it. And the so-called "liberal" media tends to ignore attacks on Muslims as well. We've got shitty media, what are you gonna do?
Btw, do you want to move this to PMs? It's getting a bit big for comments.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim Halal meat is fine as long as they are labelled. The public as a right to know what they are eating. Athiests and other religious groups that find Halal practises offensive to their belief system should be warned and their needs must be respected.
As for the Burkha, well with 9/11 and 7/7 attacks in western countries and with Islamic fundamentalism being practised in the UK. We have every right to demand for the Burkha to be removed.
And no we are no longer a free country.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Why? How in the hell does a piece of clothing in any way affect your life or freedoms?
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the Burkha should be banned for security reasons. You dont know whos behind a Burkha, it could be a man with a bomb strapped around his waist.
Recently a MP got stapped by this Muslim woman, because she was angry about Iraq. Why is the UK allowing these Muslims all these rights. They have become a burden on our society. Multiculturalism is dead because of them. Deluded liberals are trying to pretend everything is lovely, when it isnt.
We are now officially a divided society.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Everything you say about the Burkha applies to a hoodie and a coat. Weak, very weak.
Again, you cannot condem an entire group for the actions of a minority. Btw, your lot get allowances too, you know.
Bull-shiny-shit we are a divided society. Every working day I got to a work with Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Atheists, a Buddhist and little ol'Pagan me and we all get on just fine. Extremists on both sides want you to be afraid, but all you have to do is treat people as people.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the reason why we have a problem with the Burkha is because it only shows the eyes of a person. The rest of the face and body is covered. We have no problem with Muslim women wearing the head covering which shows the face, the Sikh Turbin etc... Because you can see the face. I actually think the hoodie should be banned as well. Whats wrong with banning them.
Some of freedom people may argue, why cant I use racist language. So we are not completely a free speaking country.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 What's wrong with banning them is that it is removing a freedom for no good reason. They have every right to wear what the hell they want. It's called freedom. Also today it's the Burkha, once the precident is set, it could be the kippah tomoorow or the turban. So long as it doesn't hurt us or violate our rights we have no right to tell people how to live.
You have every right to use racist language. I have every right to say you're a prick for doing so. That's what free speech means.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I told you the reason for banning the Burkha. 7/7 and 9/11. Security reasons, we dont want another bomb to go off do we. A lot of Christians and even non religious people do find the Burkha offensive, because it stands for Islamic imperialism. It sends a message to non Muslims, that Muslims hold power in the UK.
Also I would argue we are not completely a free country. If I was to wear a tie shirt of the MOHAMMED cartoon or the Nazi Swastika, I could be arrested for that.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Yeah, 'cos banning a peice of clothing, that'll stop bombings. Get real. You can hide a bomb in a backpack, you gonna ban those too? As Ben Franklin once said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I dislike the Burkha, not because it stands for some non-existant imperialism but because it's sexist, but it's not my right to oppress others choices.
And no, neither of those things can get you arrested.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim banning the Burkha would be symbolic. We want to send message to Muslims saying, if you want to live in this western country you cannot divide yourself the way you are at present and create divisions.
But dont worry I am pretty sure the British government WILL NOT ban the Burkha because Muslims have become very powerful. The liberals in the west are poodles to Muslims.
What ever Muslims want, Muslims get.
I am also pretty sure, that there is going to a bosnia style situation
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Banning the Burkha would be symbolic, but the message it would send is "You get less rights than everyone else. Every other religion or culture can wear their traditional grab, but not you."
Muslims are not very powerful, that is a lie put out by fearmongers who want to create division where there is none. They have their pressure groups, but everyone does.
There is not going to be anything like Bosnia for the simple reason that, try as you might, the population is not that fearful.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim you saying Muslims are not powerful, that is a lie etc..
Well I am saying they are powerful. They are able to build 4 Mosques in my area which has a big Hindu community. One Hindu temple and 4 Muslim Mosque.
How did that happen. You need to have people in high places to pull off that little trick.
I have seen the fear in peoples eyes when gangs of Muslim boys walk down the road. People are leaving these areas, they are sick of these Muslims. I dont blame them
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 How. Many. TImes. Do. I. Have. To. Say. This. I am not impressed by your one, little area.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim and how many times I have to tell you, my area is not unique. This problem is happening in many cities in the UK where the Muslim community is increasing in size.
Take a look at Bradford, Birmingham, London, Manchester. Its getting worse.
Ok lets do a deal, get all your liberal pals together and invite these Muslims to go and live in these liberal areas.
The working classes, they had enough of Muslims. They dont want them.
So you liberals now take responsibility
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Not unique, but not typical. Proven by the fact that you must endlessly reference it.
Ah, because of course you speak for the entire working class. That must be nice for them, to have you decide their opinions. Never mind that there are plenty of people from all backgrounds who agree with me, no the working class all shares your opinions. If that were the case the BNP wouldn't be trailing with less than 15,000 members and 13 council seats nationwide. The country is not on your side.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim regarding multiculturalism. We have to take into consideration the large sections of the white population which is deliberately selling up their homes and moving out of areas which contain a lot of ethnic minorities and many of them move to white areas. You also have many white folks who are sending their kids to private schools rather than local schools which as ethnic minorities. So you have this seperate white society that dont really want to live amongst ethnic groups.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 You are vastly overestimating the numbers here. Sure a few jerks can stand living next to someone who's a bit different, but fuck them. I have no interest in associating with those types either. Let 'em sit in their big houses complaining about how things were better in the old days until they get wise to reality or quietly die out. No skin off my nose.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I am no way over estimating the numbers of white folks that have left these ethnic areas. The area I live in was majority white just 30 years ago. Today its all asian and other ethnic minority. Within a very short time, the white community have fled. This proves that we are not really a multicultural society. This is just pure liberal left wing propoganda.A pure multicultural society would be one where every culture lives in harmony along side each other.But that aint happening.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Nor will it ever, because people are people. But so what? Just because some arsehole hotheads insist on reactionary views doesn't mean the rest of us can't get along fine, which we do, btw. Again you reference your wretched area like that wins every argument. How many times to I have to tell you that your shitty neighbourhood is not indicative of national trends?
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I am extremely convinced that areas that have a large Muslim population, the other minorities are suffering in some ways and are more likely to pack up and leave.
I dont care what these tree hugging liberals tell me, I have done my research, I have talked with people and they tell me lifes not good in Muslim dominated areas. Its going to get worse.
You can look at France, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway all of them are having problems with Muslims.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Well, that's it, isn't it? You are utterly convinced, you only research in limited sources and anyone who disagrees with you is clearly just a "tree-hugging liberal" so you can ignore them completely. (Btw, treehugging? I thought that was bullshit right-wing insults for environmentalists, which has nothing to do with this) You are a bigot and like all bigots you need the world to be black and white, good and evil. Complexity bothers you, so you cast Muslims as villians in your drama.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I am convinced for this very simple reason.
I dont see thousands of white folks lining up in my area wanting to live here. They cant wait to get the hell away from this shit hole.
Where are all these liberals?
I tell you where they are all hiding. They are sitting in their nice little suburb amongst their white friends preaching about how nice Multiculturalism is.
I would love to see the look on their faces if the government move a few thousand Muslims into their area.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Again with your fucking area. Change the record, this tune's getting boring. Now, so much logical fallacy here. First, assuming all liberals are suburban. They are not. Second, assuming liberals don't live or work in areas with Muslims. They do. I do. Third, assuming liberals who do fit those categories would abandon their beliefs if Muslims moved in. You have no evidence at all for that. It's as bad as "no atheists in foxholes." Again, you assume the world is how you believe it is.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim I have met liberals in my area, when I was in school, I know a few that work as doctors.
And guess what they all have in common, non of them actually live in my area.
They live outside London away from multiculturalism. They get on a train every morning and they travel to my area to do their work and then they bugger off. They are all very well paid. Thats the liberals and their hypocrisy.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 No, that's a handful of people you met and, as usual, judged an entire (and in this case very vague group) based on. This is a thing you do.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim from what I have seen, many of these so called liberals dont really live here or want to live here.
Those white folks that live here tend to be the unemployed, uneducated folks. And they send their children to this one school, which is not even a good school but all the kids in that school are white. You wont find many Asians going there.
Look the only way your going to convince me about the success of multiculturalism is if I see more white folks and their children moving in.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 So the only way you're going to be convinced that a nationwide trend is working is if one specific thing happens in on specific place. Oh, yeah, that's a fair and balanced viewpoint.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim the only way I will have any respect for Muslims if they started treating Hindus, SIkhs and Jews with some respect. Stop treating them like shit.
Muslims need to match the behavioural standard set by Hindus and SIkhs. HIndus and Sikhs are very sociable people, with a low crime rate.
Where as Muslims have a higher crime rate. I want to see good behaviour rather that aggressive behaviour.
Some how I dont think its going to happen ever.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 I find it interesting that you refer to Muslims as if they were one giant body all interconnected with a hive mind like tendency to act completely alike.
GaEv4 3 months ago
@GaEv4 if you live down my way and see the behaviour of some of these Muslims. You do come away thinking most of these Muslims seem to behave alike.
Down my way, Muslims have adopted a tactic. They go out of their way to be nice to white folks. But they seem to extremely unpleasant towards Hindus and Jews.
A lot of middle class white folks are just not aware of the problems. They have become blind.
Nuron666 3 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim where exactly do you live. So I can persuade some of these Muslims and their horrible little kids to go and live in your community.
The only way liberal people like you are ever going to learn is by experience. The problem is you have not experienced these Muslim communities.
Yes I may be bigoted and have deep hatred of Muslims. I learned this hatred from Muslims. Your multiculturalism is encouraging racism.
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 I have experienced plenty of Muslim communities and got on fine with them. And no, your willful ignorance and petty hatreds are encouraging racism. You know what? I'm done with you. You don't care about truth, decency or basic human rights. You'llignore anything I bring to the table to continue your irrational vendetta. There's no point talking to you, yourfear and hate makes it impossible for you to see the world. Post again if getting the last word matters to you, but I won't reply.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago
@GriffinPilgrim watch these 2 utube videos below
White flight video below
watch?v=i5tbODXZdXw&feature=relmfu
immigration ticking time bomb video below (5 part video)
watch?v=i5tbODXZdXw&feature=channel_video_title
Nuron666 9 months ago
@Nuron666 Thank you, I'm familiar with the idea of this so-called "time-bomb" and it is deepy poorly researched. This country is, has and always will be built on immigration. Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Jews etc, etc, etc. Throughout our history there have been immigrations followed by periods of tension and we always survived, stronger than ever due to our diversity. This is no different.
GriffinPilgrim 9 months ago