John McCain - Economy, Taxes, Free Trade

[lakers0829]

please america vote mccain you dont know whats going to happen with this fake elitist obama please dont go there.

[mbmart2005]

"Ladies and gentlemen we present you the next puppet of the United States of America."

Of course for Corporate America is the #1 guy.

[jamaican8891]

McCain doesnt understand the economy at all

Obamas tax plan saves you more $ per yr for the avg person.... compared to McCain the only point where McCain saves more taxes is when you make over $120,000 per round

and free trade is just a new way to ship jobs to places like Mexico... where do you think all these auto jobs are going

[JLaw4RonPaul]

It's a shame that people in the US don't understand that a free market and actions of individuals under limited government is what once made the U.S. the greatest economy the world has ever seen. (and has done the same for Hong Kong) As government has become steadily larger our freedoms and economic success have gone down the drain. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that proposed net spending cuts in his budget, which is the only fix for the inflation that is destroying our dollar.

[jocamadad]

It's the free trade agreements that destroyed this country. They've caused what was the largest part of our economy and what gave us the greatest standard of living in the world, the manufacturing sector, to slowly disappear with all of these so-called free trade agreements. Most of these agreements are only free trade for the other countries but we don't get the same deal in return, but yet he continues to support them. Is this who you really want for your President.

[isgra98]

Excuse me, but hasn't our unemployment rate been at about 5% for a long time, while the unemployment rate of France and other European countries is between 10-15%? Yeah, let's get rid of free trade and have real change. Just as Europe is abandoning failed socialist policies, we can become a failed socialist protectionist country and go back to Europe circa 1970.

[jocamadad]

Excuse me, but I could give two shits about what the European or U.S. unemployment rate is. The U.S.unemployment rate is pretty much a fictious number anyway. It's based on the number of people drawing benifits divided by that plus the total workforce. It doesn't count all the homeless people or the people who just gave up on looking for work because they can't find jobs in the type of work they've spent their lives doing because those industries don't exist in this country anymore and a lot of

[jefskil]

yep, your right jocamadad. The unemployment rate is extremely misleading as you mention.

[jocamadad]

Thank You!

[jocamadad]

those people are probably homeless now thanks to people who think like you. The unemployment rate doesn't reflect all of the people who were working for $15/hour or more who are now working for less than $10/hour. It doesn't reflect people like me who are working a job that paid more 25 years ago than it does today. It doesn't reflect all the great industrial towns, like my hometown of Flint, Michigan, that were destroyed by what they called free trade.

[jocamadad]

Getting rid of these so-called free trade policies is exactly what we need to do. Unlike you I'm not blind to what has happenned to this country because of them. We shouldn't be giving a free market to any country that doensn't give us the same in return like Japan, China, and Korea or to countries like Japan and Korea that limit the amount of goods we can sell in their countries or to countries like China that manipulate their currency to make their goods cheaper or to countries whose people

[jocamadad]

work for a fraction of what ours do like China, Mexico, and all of the Central American countries. We shouldn't allow our trade policy to be dictated by a foreign body like the WTO which John McCain supports. To close I would just like to say that there is nothing socialist about protectionism. It's just smart policy. Let's take the root of that word. Protection, that's a positive word, a good word. Let's take some words brought about by free trade like deficit and debt. Bad words!

[mercedes75]

no, America should be benefitting from NAFTA. America has suffered through my lifetime because Corporate America's abuse of capitalism and anticompetative practices. NAFTA is just an extention of that.

Remember, the capitalism (competition) is supposed to benefit the worker as well as the employer. Adam Smith said that the hardest and smartest workers should be paid the most. America has too many opportunity costs.

[isgra98]

Well, what can I say. All of you people are ignorant idiots who have never traveled. Here are a few facts to help you out: (1) world poverty rates have declined more in the last 20 years than at any other time in world history because of the collapse of communism and the spread of capitalism and free trade, that's a good thing-for those of you selfish, heartless bastards who want people in the third world to starve while you protect worthless failed jobs, it might help if you remember that;

[isgra98]

(2) The problem with Flint, Michigan is that it raises people who are as stupid as Michael Moore, if you live in a country with freedom of movement like the US, you move to the new jobs, you don't stay in a place that has no jobs, what are we supposed to do make up fake jobs, oh, yeah, that is the Democratic agenda, make up fake jobs that the economy can't support by stealing my tax money, I forgot about that, well f**k you, I would rather keep my tax dollars than throw them down the toilet.

[jocamadad]

The problem is ignorant assholes like you. I suppose you pull up stakes and move across the country every few years. You just proved what a fucking moron you really are by that statement. Those jobs weren't fake jobs. They were good jobs but I guess you prefer the John McCain agenda of the govt. losing all the revenues from those jobs, then shelling out billions of dollars to retrain all of those workers driving us further into debt which is a way bigger threat to our economy.

[isgra98]

If they were good jobs, they wouldn't need "protection" would they, jerk off. Obviously, without help, they are non-existent jobs. What type of dumbass are you?

[jocamadad]

They wouldn't be non-existent jobs if it weren't for dumbasses like you who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves and believe everything the govt. tells them. Oh sure you try to convince people that you have this false sense of caring about people in third world countries when the truth of the matter is you're are one of these sorry fucks that get off on the sufferring of others.

[isgra98]

I will repeat myself, if the jobs can't exist without the government protecting them and giving you money to show up at work, then they are not real jobs. You must be stupid if you can't get this point. Good jobs, don't need help. You are a still an idiot.

[isgra98]

(3) If you took your head out of your ass and traveled in the world, then you would realize that the poorest American is better off than 70 percent of the world, yet your response is -- let's starve peasants and industrial workers in the third world to protect out-dated jobs, you are all a bunch of racists who want to protect bullshit jobs while people die, you are killers, typical uncompassionate, selfish Democrats, absolutely pathetic.

[jocamadad]

Well, that's like the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever heard it. Those industrial workers in 3rd world countries you talk about are peasants or economic slaves, as I like to call them, and they always will be thanks to U.S. trade policy and dickheads like you. We should have a trade policy that forces other countries to raise their standard of living and pull these people out of poverty instead of putting Americans into it, but then worthless, unpatriotic bastards like you wouldn't be

[jocamadad]

able to buy all of your cheap electronic gizmos, clothes, and cars or whatever.

[isgra98]

Moron, third world poverty rates have been dropping precipitously over the last 20 years because of free trade, that doesn't compute? You can't hear that? No, instead you want to take the easy flabby route, you think Americans are too stupid and lazy to compete so you would rather the government "protect" fake jobs so Americans can be fat, lazy bastards like you. You think that is going to help Americans in the long run??? This is a dog eat dog world asshole, and the weak sink. Grow up.

[jocamadad]

You are a total fucking jackass. If the poverty rates in these countries are dropping then why do they keep coming here. I know the poverty rates in this country have risen due to free trade. I don't think Americans are too stupid and lazy to compete but it is kind of hard to compete when your own govt. is working against you and none of those jobs are fake they were real jobs. The fake jobs are the ones the govt. claims to create every year which are mostly govt. jobs that don't do shit for our

[isgra98]

They are still coming here because we are still the the country with the most economic freedom in the world, where people with good ideas and hard work can still make a living no matter what their class or race. Of course, you and the democrats want to destroy that.

[jocamadad]

economy and drive us further into debt. A debt that will be well over $10 trillion by the end of this year. This country is headed for a total economic collapse but you're too fucking stupid to realize that. the only satisfaction I get from that is knowing that since you talk like a snot-nosed little rich boy you must be exactly that and that you'll be falling a lot harder than me, asshole.

[isgra98]

Actually, asshole, you don't know anything about me, but I will fill you in. I created my own company, I pay all my own healthcare and the healthcare of my employees, and I definitely don't want some lazy asshole telling me that they want to steal my hard earned money to create fake jobs in the Midwest. You are not just a lazy, flabby, intellectual moron, you are an anti-freedom crook who wants to steal from people like me to support your failed lifestyle.

[jocamadad]

Explain to me how me wanting the govt. to stop a failed trade policy is stealing money from you. On the contrary the govt. places more tax burden onto other Americans such as yourself to make up for the lost revenues from the jobs lost due to these failed trade policies. So it seems to me like that is taking more money out of your pocket and you call me the intellectual moron. What a fuckhead!

[isgra98]

(4) the reason why you are making less money than you made 30 years ago is because you are a dumbass, maybe you should have gone back to school or started your own business or moved, stop asking for handouts and get your butt in gear, you lazy idiot.

[jefskil]

Real wages have gone down, while the cpi and inflation are going up. Try going to some of that school you mentioned Isgra and take a course in basic macro economics.

Moreover, has anyone ever seen a copy of NAFTA? It's a free trade agreement - how many pages should it be? One page by my count

Suprise! It is actually 900+ pages of 'exceptions' Alot of people love to bring these things up but have never once even looked at it besides what they saw on someone say on fox news or cnn.

[jocamadad]

Oh fuck off you loser. I'm not a dumbass and I don't ask for hands I'm a hard worker and proud of it and the reason I don't go back to school is because that cost money that I don't have. You see, fuckhead, we aren't all born with a rich mommy and daddy to pay all of our bills so kiss my hairy white ass you worthless piece of shit!

[jocamadad]

Yeah I know. I fucked up. so let me correct it before anyone leaves a comment about it. That was supposed to read, I don't ask for hand outs.

[isgra98]

No, you are not a hard worker, a hard worker would be embarassed to beg for the government to provide him with a non-existent job that wouldn't exist without a government bailout. Get off your knees, stop sucking on the government teat and grow some testicles, you flabby, lazy girly man, oh, yeah, and racist scumbag since you also want to destroy third world economies.

[jocamadad]

Yes I am a hard worker. You don't know shit about me. I'm not flabby or lazy and my job is not non-existent at least not yet. Of course if this senile old jackass, your lord and master, John McCain gets elected it probably will be in a few years so some poor fucker in a third world country can reap the benifits of doing it for less than 2 bucks a day. I would also like to point out that I have plenty of testicles and since you're such a world traveler let me know if you're ever anywhere in

[jocamadad]

the state of Michigan. I'll make the drive to meet you and I'll show you who's a girly man you punk ass bitch. I can't believe some faggot like you who's probably never worked a day in his life has the nerve to call me a girly man. I bet you wouldn't be talking so loud when I'm beating your punk ass into a bloody pulp. Bring it on bitch!

[isgra98]

Hah, big talker. I am not afraid of some wuss who wants Big Mommy Government to take care of him. Give me a break. Mommy, Mommy, I need a job. I can't get it on my own, please, please help me. Yeah, you are a real man.

[jocamadad]

No, I don't want the govt. to take care of me. I just want the govt. to do what's right for the country. I don't plan on continuing this war of words with you. You've already proven to everyone what a selfish, unpatriotic retard that you are so there's nothing more for me to say except that I'm more of a man than you'll ever hope to be

[isgra98]

See this is why you people are so stupid, that $2 a day maybe $1 a day than those people are making right now. That would be good for those people. I don't know why you hate these third world people so much? Listen idiot, we cannot protect menial, manual,assembly line jobs when so many people in the world are willing to do them for much less money. That's just the way it is. Trying to pretend that we can still pay workers for jobs that other people are willing to do for less is a bad idea.

[jocamadad]

I don't hate people in 3rd world countries but obviously you do. I don't want to see anyone have to work for slave wages except for a jackass like you. I don't want to see governments especially my own govt. serve the corporate special interests and make small groups of people filthy rich at the expense of the working men and women of the world.

[isgra98]

The only way the US can survive and continue to be an elite economic country is if we win the war of ideas, if we maintain our position as the most free country on earth, if we keep taxes low and allow entrepreneurs to come up with the ideas and technologies of the future. If we put all our energy into stealing money from our entrepreneurs to maintain outdated jobs, we are destroying our children's future. We will collapse like the USSR. We have to be free to survive. Stop trying to steal.

[isgra98]

This whole debate is hopeless. It comes down to a capitalist and a believer in freedom fighting against a statist and believer in government regulation over freedom and individual responsibility. I feel comfortable in and love America and its ideals. You would be more comfortable working in a factory in the USSR or Maoist China, having a set job for the rest of your life and a fake pension. Of course, what happened to those jobs? They collapsed when the countries economically collapsed.

[jocamadad]

You're right, this whole debate is hopeless but what it comes down to is a believer in smart government and someone who takes everything they do for granted because he's had success in starting a company but you want to talk about economic collapse. We're heading for a $1 trillion trade deficit and we'll have over a $10 trillion national debt by the end of this year. How much longer do you think we can go on like that?

[isgra98]

What do stagnant state run economies that promise worker utopias with guaranteed jobs create? Mass poverty and starvation. Congratulations, good luck with your plan to steal from the rich, choke creativity and freedom, and reward the dumb and ignorant. I am sure you will get what you want while killing the future of America's children and the children of the third world. Maybe, you can get guaranteed employment as a concentration camp guard in the upcoming American gulag.

[lastnymleft]

This twit wants to keep interest rates artificially low? Doesn't he realize that exactly that is what caused the sub-prime mortgage crisis in the first place?

[lastnymleft]

...which is why we need to support Dr Ron Paul to get him into office. Only he has the experience, the policies, and the track record, to be able to deal with this oncoming financial tsunami.