Big Ideas That Changed The World : Democracy-Tony Benn (2/5)

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[MrLuvlyJubly]

I went to the house of Commons and asked to see the room broom cupboard and was told it was near St Margrets? We weren't allowed to visit the plaque because it was not on the tour. Democracy I suppose?

[Androg]

New Labour is as far from socialism as the Thatcher Administration was

[SPAG22]

Paine was a Communist though.

[PeteJones100]

@SPAG22 how exactly can Paine have been a communist? He died before Marx and Engels had created the concept of communism, and generally speaking Marxists did not refere to themselves as 'communists' until the early 20th century. Please read a little more history, it will greatly improve your knowledge

[421ikoom]

@PeteJones100 you dont need to entitle yourself as "communist" to actually agree with communist views. simply thinking that marx created the idea of the masses rising up against the capitalists or that men are equal is ludicrous. surely someone in the history of mankind has had that idea before marx.

Paine was one of them. in his own way he ensured a new world which gave the poor more power over the rich. the best way we can descibe people like him in modern speak is communist.

[ungered]

@421ikoom actually you'll find that we can all him any range of things, but wikipedia does a much better and more accurate job of letting people know the kind of man he was in their opening statement on him

"...was an author, pamphleteer, radical, inventor, intellectual, revolutionary & one of the Founding Fathers of the United States."

It mayfollow on that he was influenced by the european enlightenment: that society should be organised based on more fluid rational lines than static aristocracy

[gitbox100]

No he wasn't. He was a Deist.

[blaziermissy]

Thomas Paine was an atheist.

[swd9999]

A simple but very important reminder that we are mostly to complacent about democracy!!!

[shakercoola]

I love all these comments. It's a shame for some of you who have not seen more of him. I met him a few times and he is the kindest, bravest, most decent old gentleman..but with a twinkle in his eye that we should all keep hope that everything will be all right if we stick together.

[mbb05jb]

yes, but the labour party or socialism can't possibly be the answer as the 12 past years have shown that method doesn't work.

[jackyeats88]

the new labour government is hardly that socialist

[mbb05jb]

that proves the point though. even half socialist parties fail in teh end.

[sonofcy]

New Labour is as socialist as Norman Tebbit. They are Thatcher's Children, she said so.

[lottiesuzie]

New Labour can barely claim to be socialist!

[SPAG22]

@lottiesuzie Who? Oh that political party from the old days you mean. I remember them...

[Maikkeru]

thats awesome. you meet tony benn

[xxxBAINxxx]

someone told me he was only a "medium talent" statesman. To me, as an American, he is the ultimate British leader. A man who still wants more power for the people.

[polygamous1]

what a MAN one of the greatest statesmen of all time just think of tony benn galloway n scargill running our country it would a been the only real demogracy since 5th centruty BC Athens what a watse of a truly great man not to have run Brtitain

[WorldPrank]

Tony Benn has revealed to me the History books taught at my school in Australia had a few pages missing. Perhaps other parts of the Commonwealth suffer a similar deficiency?

[elkrobber]

@WorldPrank English schools also neglect much of this. I was never taught about the Levellers, Diggers, Chartists or any such groups in school.

[EbsNhexz]

@elkrobber Yeah it's often taught in A level history but not before.

[324wilson]

@WorldPrank No. I am from Canada (a proud member of the Commonwealth) and we are taught everything that Benn describes here!

[NoctisEreptor]

@WorldPrank History is written by the victors, the truth is passed down from Father to son. Nationality matters not.

[alanjohn2006]

assaultive bear, your depth of interesting videos is amazing. Tony benn is a great man

[Nounismisation]

and to think it went up on my birthday. What a gift. Thank you Tony and thank you assaultivebear

[westphalianprinz]

This is deep stuff. This should be show in the United States, because we are never taught were our democracy comes from.