Of course it is slow, but it is not fake, it is slow, because it is only in he making, once it has been optimized it will probably run at full speed. And the fact, that it is hooked up to a computer does not mean, that it is fake, it is just collecting the data from the Pandora, so the emulator can be optimized and the bugs fixed. The actual processing is done on the console itself.
Can't will until emulators on the Pandora run fast enough to be playable. ...emulators that can't run on the gp2x for example. It's neat to see a working emulation of the dreamcast or amiga, but it seems like the only one that runs well (compared to the gp2x) is the SNES one.
Hello I am a dumb person who likes to troll, talks sh*ts about stuff I dont know about or care about. Lemme iterate the negative posts for you: They, just like me, I have no value, or mindset, proofs for my idiotic comments. The only letters I see on the keyboard is F,A,K,E. If I am proven wrong, I will be in denial or just comment about how its sucks anyway. Once again I am sooo dumb, ignoring others and have no proof about the video I can only spell FAKE.
I'm 2 months too late, but if you see this then I suggest you do a little research: nullDC is a well known Dreamcast emulator for PC and the same people who made it are behind this port. So they're already credible.
If you still think it's fake would you care to at least explain why?
The non-believers dont even believe the SD card exists or that Pandora exists - forgotten that already? One can always imagine a contraption behind a contraption etc etc.
I'd rather request a better readable profile information - what's the last column of console output?
People also managed to get nullDC running on the BeagleBoard, which is very similar to the motherboard of the Pandora.
What is it that makes this video seem so impossible? Again, no one is getting profits of showing these videos. They can only damage their own reputations instead. Once the Pandora is released we all have access to this nullDC emulator and we'll see how it runs in front of our own eyes.
Seriously, I must laugh really hard at all the comments of this video being a fake and that it's used to push the Pandora sales. Almost every Pandora of the initial 4000 has been sold for over a year! Only a few people scrapped their order until now. OpenPandora doesn't need anything to push the sales of this one-of-a-kind console. Only the idea alone made the console sell out.
Don't be ridiculous. If OpenPandora was after the money they would've been long gone to the sunny beaches.
This has always been unrealizable, until now. Currently it runs at about 10 FPS maybe, but once it'll be tuned to the limits we may actually get something playable on this emulator.
Actually, emulating Dreamcast on Pandora is not a bad choice. For one, the CPU architectures of ARM and SH4 (Dreamcast) are very similar. There will be a roughly 2x per-clock emulation performance drop at most, as opposed to emulating SH4 on x86, which should be 5x-10x
Second, the video hardware is a descendant of that used on Dreamcast. It hasn't retained all the special features, but at least it runs natively on unclamped FP-framebuffer, emulating which on PC has proven difficult.
The performance characteristic is similar too - Pandora graphics hardware rearraganges the scene geometry and culls hidden surfaces efficiently, just as Dreamcast. There are ways to reach that on PC hardware, and modern games make use of those, however they are unpractical for emulators.
Thus you can get away with slower hardware to emulate Dreamcast on Pandora than on PC. I cannot make claims whether emulation can reach full speed though, but this speed as shown here is far from impossible.
This is evolution baby! But the games is running a little slowly.... Is just a matter of time to run at full speed, congratulations pandora team, good work!
P.s. is time to cut down the price.. costs more than a ps3! lol
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It runs slowly because the laptop isnt fast enough. As a matter of fact, in this video, it's the laptop it's running the emulator, while the Pandora is used only as a monitor.
It wasn't smart from the video maker not to hide the laptop.
The laptop is showing the console output from the Pandora in order to monitor the fps and show other output messages. The emulator is running on the Pandora prototype. Don't be foolish.
Well to begin with, everything about Pandora is different. The largest problem is not porting en emulator from Windows to Linux, it is porting the CPU emulator core and the graphics subsystem to the specifics of the system - for one an ARM host instead of x86, and the other being, although the system runs a variant of OpenGL, it still doesn't behave like a desktop GPU, in spite of decent performance.
There's no way wine could RUN at all on a pandora. W.I.N.E is an acronym for WINE Is Not an Emulator. Wine Doesn't emulate a computer.
Wine can actually LOAD and RUN Windows x86 (intel) executable binaries on a x86 computer running Linux. However the architecture of the CPU in the pandora is ARM which is totally different from x86. Wine can't do anything for that.
A "Virtual Machine" program like VirtualBox, if written in ARM, could be used to run x86 binaries but it'd be REALLLY slow!
OF COURSE this video is genuine! The guy who coded NullDC as already shown a semi-working version before and he also made a version for PSP, Stop saying it's fake it's NOT.
@FamilyGuy999 Are you really that goofy? are you a programmer? Wine, CAN run on the pandora. will it run at a usable speed? maybe not. but IT CAN RUN on the pandora, because the pandora uses linux. wine runs on linux. now, i think i've made my point. >.> sorry, i just like to ramble a bit...... anyways, have a nice day. :D
"It is possible to run windows programs in Linux on ARM but it takes more than just wine. Way back, when the Sharp Zaurus was big news some people managed to combine wine and qemu. Qemu was providing the processer emulation while wine provided the windows libraries. If you search you may still be able to find a tutorial about how to make that work."
it may just be me, but i think that's saying "Yes, wine can work, if you have a program to help it."
Yeah of course, but it's not pure wine. Just not to get people confused: you can run wine under qemu, but it's useless, you can't run it directly on arm architecture. Some WineLibs could be ported though.
There are in fact derivative products of WINE and QEMU, which are capable of running Windows software on a non-x86 Unix-like system, DarWINE is a good starting point. QEMU is a piece of software which emulates one CPU on another, but not the complete machine hardware like a virtual machine.
But forget WINE, this looks like a clean port done from ground up..
He's also the person always flaming people on every video, and overall being an asshole. Check out his channel description, that basically means he's going to make fun of you and he doesn't care about what you write back to him.
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Oh, here comes the "fact" guy...
Read this thread (CAREFULLY, this time) and you'll notice that FACTS that prove this video is fake have already been addressed. And accept that, instead of repeating yourself asking for things that have already been given several times.
Yeah I saw what you wrote. There is a minor problem though...
Pandora does not have video input, only video output. It cannot show stuff from another machine to its screen. It can however show stuff to a monitor or a TV.
According to that fact whatever you wrote so far is invalid.
Where do you get your "fact" from? And why is the emulator in a more broken state than on PC?
This video looks real, it's a common practice to have a debug console on a PC when developing on embedded systems. But you've never done that, so how would you know.
The pandora controls might not be implemented at this stage - but if anyone intended a fake, they could just as well pipe the controls from the pandora back to PC.
All i see is your imagination. No facts. If we were going for straight facts, there is no way to know whether the emulator is real or not, until we have an executable on our hands to test independantly. Though there is no substancial evidence that this is fake, i know what i'm speaking of.
Come to think of it, if they wanted to show a fake, the easiest way would be to prerecord a video on PC and simply play it back from the SD card, no laptop necessary at all.
Again, playing would prove nothing at all, as you could pipe the Pandora controls back to PC. And why should one hide a PC if genuine debugging console runs there?
And where do you see my imagination? I never claimed the emulator is real or fake, just that it looks like a genuine development stage of a native emulator, behaving exactly like one would expect it to.
I have donated to Chankast and plowed through sources of lxdream, and worked on PSX and SNES emulation projects, but failed there.
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"Again, playing would prove nothing at all, as you could pipe the Pandora controls back to PC"
Maybe. But, for instance, if the author made a video of him playing NullDC on the Pandora standing in the middle of a meadow, that would leave less room to skepticism.
"why should one hide a PC if genuine debugging console runs there?"
This question is logically flawed. Here you are using as an assumption smething you should prove to be true.
I was playing the games. I clicked through the menus to get the games started. I was making the car in Crazy Taxi jump up and down but it wanted analog controls to move the car and that isn't implemented yet. I was controlling the left character in KOF and making it do kicks and jumps. I have no reason to lie so most of the game play is close up on the screen. Others will be able to verify it works soon enough.
Aren't you the person who goes around to all Pandora videos calling them fake?
First of all, it can definitely emulate Dreamcast with a 600 mhz processor, it has 3d accelerators for a reason. Second of all, even if we're fanboys, what does that make you? What are you going to gain if this video is fake, is it going to make you feel better about yourself?
Answer your own question: What are YOU going to gain if this video is fake and discover that all this Pandora project is destined to fail or is even hoax?
Ehm, you don't really know what you're talking about, do you? Technically speaking I mean. As to why there would be crashes or why would it be slow or why would there be sound stuttering.
As a side-note, no one claimed that there would be sound output at all anyway.
No reply? No technical explanation? Maybe something about technical limitations or architectural differences or something? Looks like you REALLY don't know what you're talking about. lol
Now you are only acting fool and pretending not to understand. Nice loser behavior from you.
For example: I say that gravity force exists and you say it doesn't; but if I cannot explain why gravity exists and how it works, because I'm not a physician, then it means that gravity force doesn't exist and I'm wrong.
The difference here is that I can explain why full speed is possible and such while you can't.
I'm acting fool just to wait and see where are your claims based at.
The gravity example you gave is also invalid cause you can learn about it by taking some time to read relevant documentation. The same applies to emulation.
The point is that you base your words on personal assumptions rather than facts, while I base my words on valid documentation and real-life examples.
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"I can explain why full speed is possible"
Lol do that then.
"The gravity example you gave is also invalid cause you can learn about it by taking some time to read relevant documentation. The same applies to emulation."
Here you are acting fool once again. Or simply aren't smart enough to understand analogies, or to know that you can't bebunk statements by simply debunking the analogies used to explain those statements.
Most dreamcast games and may console games for that matter do not fully utilize the CPU especially games that were released near lauch.... So yes I think it can happen
Hey, you must be great at making a emulator from the ground up. Oh wait, you can't. STFU and GTFO. Please troll somewhere else on the word wide interwebs.
Maybe if you were right you'd be opening our eyes, but your wrong so your either just an idiot or a troll. The developers of the Pandora have been working on this device for years and have been kind enough to show us real pictures and real videos. They are great people and wouldn't try to fake you into something like this. You know whats on that screen? It's a terminal window. You plug your Pandora into your PC and then you launch code from your PC and then it loads on the Pandora.
"You know whats on that screen? It's a terminal window. You plug your Pandora into your PC and then you launch code from your PC and then it loads on the Pandora."
A DOS terminal window that launches code on a GNU OS? That was hilarious.
He is probably using putty.ssh or some similar program. It just transmitts keyboard input and screen (terminal) output from and to the pc. That is what a remote terminal is used for. It's just like a remote control for your tv - with software like this you can use a computer connected to the net from anywhere in the world, assuming the client is running sshd. See 'man ssh'. The remote OS does not matter, as long as it is running sshd.
Glad to see the bios running at full speed at least. That's progress for ya. And I have been waiting for a progress update forever.
I don't blame shenmue for running imperfectly. Getting shenmue to run at all on the dreamcast emulator at this state is like trying to run conkers bad fur day on the psp n64 emulator at its current state. :P
Overall I'd say that I'm happy there's progress being made, and without the NEON chipset!
"Its safe to assume 2x faster at least.The current way most fpu opcodes are implemented is from a helper C function, that requires a SLOW move to general registers for parameter passing.And the performance of build-in stuff like fsqrt isn't exactly spectacular :P"
But it should be noted that when using the NEON, it might not be possible to overclock the Pandora. (Should be noted since this video doesn't use NEON, but is "overclocked")
I'm not sure if this is true, and I don't know if this has been actually tested with the Pandora. But from what I've read about NEON on the Beagleboard and some comments from the GP32x forums, overclocking the CPU will "either lock up or kill the NEON unit until reset". I hope this isn't true... but--
Some frameskipping could help till a stable release, but it's still impressive to see Dreamcast on Pandora. Can't wait to see stable release with nice framerate!
Of course it is slow, but it is not fake, it is slow, because it is only in he making, once it has been optimized it will probably run at full speed. And the fact, that it is hooked up to a computer does not mean, that it is fake, it is just collecting the data from the Pandora, so the emulator can be optimized and the bugs fixed. The actual processing is done on the console itself.
ArsonistInUrFirewall 1 year ago
Can't will until emulators on the Pandora run fast enough to be playable. ...emulators that can't run on the gp2x for example. It's neat to see a working emulation of the dreamcast or amiga, but it seems like the only one that runs well (compared to the gp2x) is the SNES one.
amiga2000 1 year ago
very slow ://
1997Denzel 1 year ago
Menos discusión y mas disfrutar del video, pronto tendremos juegos de Dreamcast en nuestras Pandoras :-))
Ignorad a nitoro81
Khaagon 2 years ago
Props to Drk||Raziel :0
I've been looking at the NEON instruction set, and going to preorder one. Any chance of a public arm source code?
jeznaver 2 years ago
Hello I am a dumb person who likes to troll, talks sh*ts about stuff I dont know about or care about. Lemme iterate the negative posts for you: They, just like me, I have no value, or mindset, proofs for my idiotic comments. The only letters I see on the keyboard is F,A,K,E. If I am proven wrong, I will be in denial or just comment about how its sucks anyway. Once again I am sooo dumb, ignoring others and have no proof about the video I can only spell FAKE.
/s *end of mock*
jeznaver 2 years ago
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drk razi should stop giving builds to noobs and get to work on fixing the issues he introduced into latest nulldc source!
Squall4Rinoa 2 years ago
Looks promising! Very much anticipating its release.
threezerol944t 2 years ago
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fake video is fake
ExPsy 2 years ago
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+1
Is a shame that you've gotten negative votes.
KrossX2 2 years ago
Yeah, dunno why :|
This will not change how fake this video is... no matter how many negative votes I get.
ExPsy 2 years ago
Because people think you are wrong. Consider this, what if you are wrong?
jeznaver 2 years ago
I'm not wrong. I am right.
ExPsy 2 years ago
I'm 2 months too late, but if you see this then I suggest you do a little research: nullDC is a well known Dreamcast emulator for PC and the same people who made it are behind this port. So they're already credible.
If you still think it's fake would you care to at least explain why?
Exophase 2 years ago
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I suggest you do a little research too.
The video is fake cause I say so.
ExPsy 2 years ago
Stupid User is stupid, and yes I'm talking of you ExPsy
Mivey92 2 years ago
@Mivey92
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ExPsy 2 years ago
damn, this is really impressive and it is clearly visible, how big potential that machine has.
xoen6 2 years ago
is it fullspeed, i cant tell i have not played those games 4 a while
ArsonistInUrFirewall 2 years ago
Not very playable, sadly :(
Tokiopopski 2 years ago
It might be when it's optimized. Don't you see the potential when it's already running this good?
QPOproZaC 2 years ago 4
One of the fun things about Pandora arriving will be watching all the naysayers eat shit.
Grus0 2 years ago 4
It's real, stop bitching.
FamilyGuy999 2 years ago 3
I'll do a video in the middle of a field, but I suspect the non-believers will then just claim I'm running videos from an SD card. Gads.
craigix 2 years ago 2
The non-believers dont even believe the SD card exists or that Pandora exists - forgotten that already? One can always imagine a contraption behind a contraption etc etc.
I'd rather request a better readable profile information - what's the last column of console output?
3yE 2 years ago
People also managed to get nullDC running on the BeagleBoard, which is very similar to the motherboard of the Pandora.
What is it that makes this video seem so impossible? Again, no one is getting profits of showing these videos. They can only damage their own reputations instead. Once the Pandora is released we all have access to this nullDC emulator and we'll see how it runs in front of our own eyes.
Wootson1983 2 years ago
Seriously, I must laugh really hard at all the comments of this video being a fake and that it's used to push the Pandora sales. Almost every Pandora of the initial 4000 has been sold for over a year! Only a few people scrapped their order until now. OpenPandora doesn't need anything to push the sales of this one-of-a-kind console. Only the idea alone made the console sell out.
Don't be ridiculous. If OpenPandora was after the money they would've been long gone to the sunny beaches.
Wootson1983 2 years ago
ballin!
shuffle2222 2 years ago
Great, add some sound emulation now and come back to tell me about it ;)
anthanagore 2 years ago
Finally an emulator that really test's the Pandora potential. Great work
SMBSuperTruper 2 years ago
LOL @ KOF atari version
tip for OP team: give everything this guy needs. DC emulation is gonna be a system seller. Promises already are...
GogetaSSJ4BR 2 years ago
Pretty impressive speed already at this stage. Portable Ikaruga would be a dream come true.
Oh, and KoF Atari-style looked awesome. ;D
Burbruee 2 years ago
I love seeing things in a test phase! Good work, can't wait to see it going faster.
Gamerfiend 2 years ago
wow this is great, cant wait until shipment
nate9771 2 years ago
This has always been unrealizable, until now. Currently it runs at about 10 FPS maybe, but once it'll be tuned to the limits we may actually get something playable on this emulator.
Excellent job!
Wootson1983 2 years ago
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"This has always been unrealizable, until now."
Because only now people are so stupid to take as gold anything they see on a video that matches their desires.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Actually, emulating Dreamcast on Pandora is not a bad choice. For one, the CPU architectures of ARM and SH4 (Dreamcast) are very similar. There will be a roughly 2x per-clock emulation performance drop at most, as opposed to emulating SH4 on x86, which should be 5x-10x
Second, the video hardware is a descendant of that used on Dreamcast. It hasn't retained all the special features, but at least it runs natively on unclamped FP-framebuffer, emulating which on PC has proven difficult.
3yE 2 years ago
The performance characteristic is similar too - Pandora graphics hardware rearraganges the scene geometry and culls hidden surfaces efficiently, just as Dreamcast. There are ways to reach that on PC hardware, and modern games make use of those, however they are unpractical for emulators.
Thus you can get away with slower hardware to emulate Dreamcast on Pandora than on PC. I cannot make claims whether emulation can reach full speed though, but this speed as shown here is far from impossible.
3yE 2 years ago 2
This is evolution baby! But the games is running a little slowly.... Is just a matter of time to run at full speed, congratulations pandora team, good work!
P.s. is time to cut down the price.. costs more than a ps3! lol
gmila84 2 years ago
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It runs slowly because the laptop isnt fast enough. As a matter of fact, in this video, it's the laptop it's running the emulator, while the Pandora is used only as a monitor.
It wasn't smart from the video maker not to hide the laptop.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Eat a lot of paint chips as a child? :)
The laptop is showing the console output from the Pandora in order to monitor the fps and show other output messages. The emulator is running on the Pandora prototype. Don't be foolish.
MWeston2 2 years ago
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show some gameplay action, then.
nitoro81 2 years ago
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And btw, nullDC runs on Windows (which the laptop was running), while Pandora has Linux.
Ah and please don't bring wine up! A 600Mhz CPU that runs a dreamcast emulator running in wine? gimme a break.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Well to begin with, everything about Pandora is different. The largest problem is not porting en emulator from Windows to Linux, it is porting the CPU emulator core and the graphics subsystem to the specifics of the system - for one an ARM host instead of x86, and the other being, although the system runs a variant of OpenGL, it still doesn't behave like a desktop GPU, in spite of decent performance.
3yE 2 years ago 2
There's no way wine could RUN at all on a pandora. W.I.N.E is an acronym for WINE Is Not an Emulator. Wine Doesn't emulate a computer.
Wine can actually LOAD and RUN Windows x86 (intel) executable binaries on a x86 computer running Linux. However the architecture of the CPU in the pandora is ARM which is totally different from x86. Wine can't do anything for that.
A "Virtual Machine" program like VirtualBox, if written in ARM, could be used to run x86 binaries but it'd be REALLLY slow!
FG
FamilyGuy999 2 years ago 5
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Finally someone who shows knowledge instead of fanboyness.
This proves once again that Pandora isn't running nulldc in this video.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Why does this have to be through wine?
kipchak 2 years ago
I just said that wine can't run on the Pandora.
OF COURSE this video is genuine! The guy who coded NullDC as already shown a semi-working version before and he also made a version for PSP, Stop saying it's fake it's NOT.
FG
FamilyGuy999 2 years ago 6
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"the pandora is ARM"
"semi-working version"
You gave yourself a reply.
Stop being fanboys. Stop being fooled around by these companies. It's for your own sake.
nitoro81 2 years ago
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FamilyGuy999 7 months ago
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FamilyGuy999 7 months ago
@ChessPieceRook
Go on Google, type "pandora WINE FAQ" check first result and read it.
You haven't made your point at all.
FamilyGuy999 7 months ago
@FamilyGuy999
"It is possible to run windows programs in Linux on ARM but it takes more than just wine. Way back, when the Sharp Zaurus was big news some people managed to combine wine and qemu. Qemu was providing the processer emulation while wine provided the windows libraries. If you search you may still be able to find a tutorial about how to make that work."
it may just be me, but i think that's saying "Yes, wine can work, if you have a program to help it."
ChessPieceRook 7 months ago
@ChessPieceRook
Yeah of course, but it's not pure wine. Just not to get people confused: you can run wine under qemu, but it's useless, you can't run it directly on arm architecture. Some WineLibs could be ported though.
FamilyGuy999 7 months ago
@FamilyGuy999
My source:
ht tp : / / wine . 1045685 . n5 . nabble . com / Wine-ARM-Pandora-Handheld-td1698736 . html
ChessPieceRook 7 months ago
@FamilyGuy999
(remove the spaces to get it to work)
ChessPieceRook 7 months ago
There are in fact derivative products of WINE and QEMU, which are capable of running Windows software on a non-x86 Unix-like system, DarWINE is a good starting point. QEMU is a piece of software which emulates one CPU on another, but not the complete machine hardware like a virtual machine.
But forget WINE, this looks like a clean port done from ground up..
3yE 2 years ago
He's also the person always flaming people on every video, and overall being an asshole. Check out his channel description, that basically means he's going to make fun of you and he doesn't care about what you write back to him.
yomamaspetbeaver 2 years ago
Go on saying that to yourself, if that makes you feel better by preventing you from realizing that you are the actual assholes.
nitoro81 2 years ago
You can't really participate in an argument without valid facts to back your words up... so what are your facts?
ExPsy 2 years ago
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Oh, here comes the "fact" guy...
Read this thread (CAREFULLY, this time) and you'll notice that FACTS that prove this video is fake have already been addressed. And accept that, instead of repeating yourself asking for things that have already been given several times.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Yeah I saw what you wrote. There is a minor problem though...
Pandora does not have video input, only video output. It cannot show stuff from another machine to its screen. It can however show stuff to a monitor or a TV.
According to that fact whatever you wrote so far is invalid.
ExPsy 2 years ago
Oh wow Sherlock, you got us bang to rights. It's all fake.
craigix 2 years ago 5
Where do you get your "fact" from? And why is the emulator in a more broken state than on PC?
This video looks real, it's a common practice to have a debug console on a PC when developing on embedded systems. But you've never done that, so how would you know.
The pandora controls might not be implemented at this stage - but if anyone intended a fake, they could just as well pipe the controls from the pandora back to PC.
3yE 2 years ago
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"Where do you get your "fact" from?"
Read this thread again: the facts have been given.
nitoro81 2 years ago
All i see is your imagination. No facts. If we were going for straight facts, there is no way to know whether the emulator is real or not, until we have an executable on our hands to test independantly. Though there is no substancial evidence that this is fake, i know what i'm speaking of.
Come to think of it, if they wanted to show a fake, the easiest way would be to prerecord a video on PC and simply play it back from the SD card, no laptop necessary at all.
3yE 2 years ago 2
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"All i see is your imagination"
Even if it was my imagination, it wouldn't be more imagination than yours.
"prerecord a video on PC and simply play it back from the SD card"
(assumed that the SD card thing isn't also a lie) That's also true, and that's why I said the author wasn't smart by not hiding the laptop.
But if I wanted to prove that it is not fake, than I would PLAY the games instead of having them just rolling for a few seconds.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Again, playing would prove nothing at all, as you could pipe the Pandora controls back to PC. And why should one hide a PC if genuine debugging console runs there?
And where do you see my imagination? I never claimed the emulator is real or fake, just that it looks like a genuine development stage of a native emulator, behaving exactly like one would expect it to.
I have donated to Chankast and plowed through sources of lxdream, and worked on PSX and SNES emulation projects, but failed there.
3yE 2 years ago
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"Again, playing would prove nothing at all, as you could pipe the Pandora controls back to PC"
Maybe. But, for instance, if the author made a video of him playing NullDC on the Pandora standing in the middle of a meadow, that would leave less room to skepticism.
"why should one hide a PC if genuine debugging console runs there?"
This question is logically flawed. Here you are using as an assumption smething you should prove to be true.
nitoro81 2 years ago
I was playing the games. I clicked through the menus to get the games started. I was making the car in Crazy Taxi jump up and down but it wanted analog controls to move the car and that isn't implemented yet. I was controlling the left character in KOF and making it do kicks and jumps. I have no reason to lie so most of the game play is close up on the screen. Others will be able to verify it works soon enough.
Aren't you the person who goes around to all Pandora videos calling them fake?
MWeston2 2 years ago
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Too bad that it's so dark it would make no difference wether your hands moved or not.
nitoro81 2 years ago
First of all, it can definitely emulate Dreamcast with a 600 mhz processor, it has 3d accelerators for a reason. Second of all, even if we're fanboys, what does that make you? What are you going to gain if this video is fake, is it going to make you feel better about yourself?
yomamaspetbeaver 2 years ago
Answer your own question: What are YOU going to gain if this video is fake and discover that all this Pandora project is destined to fail or is even hoax?
nitoro81 2 years ago
or if you watched the video you will se him play CT2
nipperoid 2 years ago
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lol but seriously, do you truly believe a dreamcast emulator could eventually run smooth on a 600mhz CPU computer?
nitoro81 2 years ago
no, but you could make it "playable"
nipperoid 2 years ago
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If by "playable" you mean at 35% speed with slowdowns to 3 fps, stuttering sound & pleasant crashes, then... yes.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Ehm, you don't really know what you're talking about, do you? Technically speaking I mean. As to why there would be crashes or why would it be slow or why would there be sound stuttering.
As a side-note, no one claimed that there would be sound output at all anyway.
ExPsy 2 years ago
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"Ehm, you don't really know what you're talking about, do you? Technically speaking I mean."
Unfortunately for you, I know much more than you. And even if I didn't, that wouldn't change anything.
"no one claimed that there would be sound output at all anyway"
Thanks for scoring another point in my favor.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Then explain to me. Why 100% speed is impossible? What stops it from happening? How much speed could be achieved?
ExPsy 2 years ago
No reply? No technical explanation? Maybe something about technical limitations or architectural differences or something? Looks like you REALLY don't know what you're talking about. lol
ExPsy 2 years ago
The "If you cannot explain it, then it's not true, duh!" tactic doesn't work either, sorry.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Sure it works. It shows who knows what he is talking about and who does not... and you clearly don't know. :)
ExPsy 2 years ago
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Now you are only acting fool and pretending not to understand. Nice loser behavior from you.
For example: I say that gravity force exists and you say it doesn't; but if I cannot explain why gravity exists and how it works, because I'm not a physician, then it means that gravity force doesn't exist and I'm wrong.
It's just dialectical bullshit trick, you see.
nitoro81 2 years ago
The difference here is that I can explain why full speed is possible and such while you can't.
I'm acting fool just to wait and see where are your claims based at.
The gravity example you gave is also invalid cause you can learn about it by taking some time to read relevant documentation. The same applies to emulation.
The point is that you base your words on personal assumptions rather than facts, while I base my words on valid documentation and real-life examples.
ExPsy 2 years ago
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"I can explain why full speed is possible"
Lol do that then.
"The gravity example you gave is also invalid cause you can learn about it by taking some time to read relevant documentation. The same applies to emulation."
Here you are acting fool once again. Or simply aren't smart enough to understand analogies, or to know that you can't bebunk statements by simply debunking the analogies used to explain those statements.
nitoro81 2 years ago
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"The point is that you base your words on personal assumptions "
This is an assumption itself.
"I base my words on valid documentation and real-life examples. "
Sure, valid like: it is so because I would like it to be so.
nitoro81 2 years ago
You really are a funny guy. Quite retarded, but still funny. LOL
Have fun sticking to your retarded opinion. :)
ExPsy 2 years ago
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Funny way to forfeit. Not smart, but still funny.
nitoro81 2 years ago
its already faster than that X.x
cusbrar1 2 years ago
Most dreamcast games and may console games for that matter do not fully utilize the CPU especially games that were released near lauch.... So yes I think it can happen
cusbrar1 2 years ago 2
@The Haters
Hey, you must be great at making a emulator from the ground up. Oh wait, you can't. STFU and GTFO. Please troll somewhere else on the word wide interwebs.
cloud858rk 2 years ago 6
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Your lame 12-year-old-kid dialectic trick fails.
UC, you needn't be a quantum physician to be sure that 2+2 can't be 5.
nitoro81 2 years ago
Clearly you + internet = dumbshit troll.
cloud858rk 2 years ago 4
"OMG, someone is trying to make me open my eyes! It's toopainful! He must be a troll!"
nitoro81 2 years ago
Maybe if you were right you'd be opening our eyes, but your wrong so your either just an idiot or a troll. The developers of the Pandora have been working on this device for years and have been kind enough to show us real pictures and real videos. They are great people and wouldn't try to fake you into something like this. You know whats on that screen? It's a terminal window. You plug your Pandora into your PC and then you launch code from your PC and then it loads on the Pandora.
cloud858rk 2 years ago
"your wrong"
Sure, just because you would like it to be so...
"You know whats on that screen? It's a terminal window. You plug your Pandora into your PC and then you launch code from your PC and then it loads on the Pandora."
A DOS terminal window that launches code on a GNU OS? That was hilarious.
nitoro81 2 years ago
You don't seem to know about ssh or telnet.
He is probably using putty.ssh or some similar program. It just transmitts keyboard input and screen (terminal) output from and to the pc. That is what a remote terminal is used for. It's just like a remote control for your tv - with software like this you can use a computer connected to the net from anywhere in the world, assuming the client is running sshd. See 'man ssh'. The remote OS does not matter, as long as it is running sshd.
VVilliV 2 years ago
Hey nitoro I bet your Pandora Dreamcast emulator is excellent.
cloud858rk 2 years ago
:=O Omg!! this is awesome, CvsSNK2 yep please.... hurry up bitches!!! xD
Leecho 2 years ago
It'd be cool to save a copy of the current version and put it up for download so everyone can play Atari 2600 King of Fighters!
Notyu1459 2 years ago
Comments on the video:
Glad to see the bios running at full speed at least. That's progress for ya. And I have been waiting for a progress update forever.
I don't blame shenmue for running imperfectly. Getting shenmue to run at all on the dreamcast emulator at this state is like trying to run conkers bad fur day on the psp n64 emulator at its current state. :P
Overall I'd say that I'm happy there's progress being made, and without the NEON chipset!
Notyu1459 2 years ago
Dreamcast on a handheld device? That's just awesome.
MeetTheBeaf 2 years ago 5
Oh wow, Atari 2600 style KoF is the best thing I've seen in a long time! I don't even like fighting games much, but I'd play it for that hehehe...
geekymarianne 2 years ago
This is awesome. Thank you so much.
TheDataDwarf 2 years ago
@arrrgh22
"Its safe to assume 2x faster at least.The current way most fpu opcodes are implemented is from a helper C function, that requires a SLOW move to general registers for parameter passing.And the performance of build-in stuff like fsqrt isn't exactly spectacular :P"
@DugOLas
"This is rendering at the full pandora resolution (800x480) using gles."
Quoted from drkIIRaziel from the GP32x boards.
Zarradeth99 2 years ago
But it should be noted that when using the NEON, it might not be possible to overclock the Pandora. (Should be noted since this video doesn't use NEON, but is "overclocked")
I'm not sure if this is true, and I don't know if this has been actually tested with the Pandora. But from what I've read about NEON on the Beagleboard and some comments from the GP32x forums, overclocking the CPU will "either lock up or kill the NEON unit until reset". I hope this isn't true... but--
Zarradeth99 2 years ago
And again, let me stress this hasn't been tested and I'm only going by what I've read.
Don't quote me :P
Zarradeth99 2 years ago
OMG... amazing... just amazing... and still is an early, unoptimized demo!
Keep on going Drk||Raziel! This is just so too good to be true... but I just saw it myself... :D
LastPucho 2 years ago
Damn, this is looking great. How much will using NEON help the framerate?
arrrgh22 2 years ago
Some frameskipping could help till a stable release, but it's still impressive to see Dreamcast on Pandora. Can't wait to see stable release with nice framerate!
TCTVCJ 2 years ago
thats really really impressive.. good job im on the pre-order
mvickers03 2 years ago
Very impressive.
ninjivitis 2 years ago
lol at KoF! Does indeed look like Atari games...
And looks nice so far in general.
PokeParadox 2 years ago
are you saying that dreamcast may happen on the pandora? WOW
UhhSplat 2 years ago
It looks like it's pretty damn close to happening.
It will probably speed up a lot once they add NEON to accelerate floating-point calculations.
cyborgtroy 2 years ago
Would love to play Ikaruga or Soul Calibur on the go, that would be stunning :D
atombat 2 years ago
Ikaruga <3
QPOproZaC 2 years ago
Pandora FTW :)
joshwaan 2 years ago
Incredible! It's still early, yes, but WOW. :D
delet0 2 years ago
is it just amasing
offgoingon 2 years ago 2
I'm just wondering, is this software rendering?
DugOLas 2 years ago 5