BTS - Minor Gameplay Tweaks (Commentary)

[XmetaI4everX]

I hope they add better music too. I'd like the OST to be included.

[CptnAura]

The under water combat is fine, since most of the Z fighters trained in times 10 gravity. And mostly everyone else who didn't (like frieza) are powerful enough to do so. Considering how strong they are, fighting under water would be normal for them. And not to mention Vegeta trained in 400x gravity and he hadn't even achieved his SSJ transformation.

[Squidward772]

well i don't agree with the quick time events, but i like everything else. Though there should be a mode where you can switch division on and off

[MrPerfect2000Z]

'Local idiot nearly drowns while trying to fight underwater'

Ha that was pretty good

Hey mate have you played Raging Blast?

[BlastBurnEX]

Why cant they do after Image right? like how naruto has the smoke and Log, Just have a capture motion of your character fade away. Or at least make players looks Lock on

[DRprince919]

@BlastBurnEX i think that the after image is in the dragonball raging blast 2 trailer and it looks better than before

[Robin444C]

why the fuck is this always on my webpage when i load a youtube video it just pops up and then disaperas

[DionLaurent1]

What if you pit a flying character against a non-flying character? How would that work?

[jclue99]

the part were you say have you tried fighting under water and on the news paper it said local idoit nearly drowns trieng to fight under water prieless hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahahahahahahaha oh yeah if it offends you sorry

[LilMillie18]

whats the name of the song in the background??

[Yoshi1x8]

water also needs to show bubles when yousend soemone flying and when the stage peices break they should stay there and stuff like if you break roshi's house you should be able to send your foe at his house againa nd then pieces of wood go flying but they may be to much so at least when someone crashes into something you need to hit them hard enough for them to got hrow the object

[BlastBurnEX]

@Yoshi1x8 Why is it that under water, characters are Fully colored? and it looks as if your still oversee? characters don't hold breath or move the water AT ALL when they fight, if I punch and kick, there should be waves or bubbles like if you shook a soda can.

[Yoshi1x8]

@BlastBurnEX mhmm

[gsus7125]

They need to fix the broken ass melee combat. Theres no good defense. In a fighting game if defense isn't as much or more than offense, whats the fucking point? A noob can hit a pro.

[InnagadadaDBZ]

Evasion is a form of defense. You can evade every attack in the game. The standard guard is only useful in a pinch in certain situations.

[BlastBurnEX]

the fighting system IS broken, stuns last too long and it's way to hard recover by pressing circle, and sonic sway shouldn't be a cutscene, it should be like budokai3 just press block when attacked and you dodge. Parry is overpowered, just one and your opponent gains so much pursuing rushes.

[BlastBurnEX]

@gsus7125 RB the defense sucks balls, when I'm in a combo, the characters flinch SO much i can't move for shit. Bring in Shin Budokai's super Guard, or what happened to BT3's combo Breaker that took some of your life?

[Beshrial]

cool

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[HiddenLord]

FUCK YEAH MAN! CLOSE COMBAT ON THE GROUND IS THIS WHAT I WANT!!! BUDOKAI STYLE PLZ!!!

Quick time events its a good idea, too. ;)

But... new DBZ will be just copy of Tenkaichi 3. :< It will suck too much.

[sonicmegamanxteam4]

i'm sorry but the news papper was funny "local idiot drowns whille trying to fight underwater" jee wonder who the idiot is :D

[hotwhire]

My idea for the tournament is example other world

fight: - being giving the ability to rest, (make the tournament longer with the announce commenting on the moves you make in a fight - show the 2 characters walking into the area - having a cut scene with the last boss in the tournament

[hotwhire]

what really pissed me of is that in Bt3 when some one is punching you from behind it's almost impossible to turn around!

[DBZRULESNARUTODROOLS]

Hey,I think that if some gets knocked into a wall or mountain,or something solid they should get stuck there like in the episode where vegeta becomes majin vegeta and battles with Goku,they should get stuck in there if hit in deep enough

[DRprince919]

yea they have that now

[hotwhire]

that is in the game! they finally did it!

[Kenz305]

Underwater combat should NOT be tweaked. you forget these fighters are capable of fighting in over 300x normal gravity(Trunks Saga). Water should not affect the way they fight. although more dynamic animation of the water would be nice (big waves and such)

[LightningStash]

Very true. If they are capable of fighting in

such gravity climate only mere Human

Wrestlers can fantasise about, then the

amount of Water they are under should

not affect them. And I am sure a lot can

duel underwater for a long period.

[hotwhire]

water only makes you charge slower

[wwe4eg]

I think they should lower the health bar if their underwater too long, (unless the character has gills or something). Vegeta and Goku wouldn't be able to fight for 10 minutes underwater without drowning. And it'll also get rid of cheaters who like to sneak attack online on BT4

[jtgtjtgt]

This is why the new budokai tenkaichi must be on next gen . not ps2 which it wont . They can make a wii version ......... it just wont have too many improvements , and tenkaichi 4 is announcedn on ps3 / 360 so on those versions characters who cant fly wud run and water combat would improve , but dumb people who want it on ps2/ wii would complain so someone needs to explain to them that if its on them the ggame wont improve because they dont have the power to handle them , the wii some improvemen

[LightningStash]

Exactly!

[super17a]

wait i just thourt wat if two fighters r fighting very fast or if there skimming across the water or flying fast close that the water separates to make way 4 the effect

[super17a]

i agree the it is a grove kill i agree

[hotwhire]

There actually are quick time events in Bt3, you know in storymode where 2 characters clash and make shockwaves in the sky? that's good enough for me, they should add that in (and outside of storymode)

[pedropdxyz11111]

let me say my part, one uhm they have lungs of steel if they fight underwater

they must loose energy if they stay very long underwater( see dragonball i think there's a battle with kid goku underwater, same goes with dbz)

after image must be fixed

the quicktime good idea but i t must be forced on sum moves like trunks burning attack move =P

ground combat must be implamented on alot of characters from dragon ball and kid characters too =P

[folkinfolkin]

so basically you just repeated what he said in the video....

[pedropdxyz11111]

XD well agreeing with the video yesh i did repeat =P

[DBZRULESNARUTODROOLS]

rofl!!

[MugiwaraNLD]

Now here comes my favorite idea of a new character Arqua in the game.

A character who is actually stronger, faster and better underwater then he is above the water. Also as an B2, increases the Water-level.

After Image, completely agree, in terms of looks, it's the same as Wild Sense or something (who also is a false name). Would be easy to change it into a decoy and then making him lose Lock On when the real one appears behind the opponent.

Burter: "Where did he go?"

Jeice: "Behind!"

[MugiwaraNLD]

Ground Combat, so far, one of the only characters that feel like having Ground Combat is Arale. because her moves actually seems like she is walking.

Quick Time Events I agree on as well. It should also be possible for the enemy to defend against it a bit, like

Hit = damage eitherway

Defense wins = Medium Damage

Offense wins = Insane Damage

Tournaments, I find it a shame how the tournaments go in BT3. 1 Champion is fine for solo tourneys. But let you choose the CPU characters :).

[MrPerfect2000Z]

Thats a good point mate Arale does walk and not fly same with Janempa who can fly

So for fighters that can't fly should run instead of speeding

And the quick time events are a good idea because like you sayed in the video it can keep the gameplay goin

[CrazzyGamer]

i disagree with the quick time, unless there are 2 different cut scenes of it winning and failing.

(example - fusion trunks fails to fuse and opponent kicks away your partner like majin buu did)

[MugiwaraNLD]

Okay, with certain moves (mostly fusions) I too think there should be a fail or win. But only for the one who is doing the fusing if he messes up. Or alot harder meaning you actually really need to press a button like crazy to still win.

What I'm talking about is other moves, let's take a Goku (End) SSJ3 Dragon Fist for example. A fail in the quick time for you means far less damage then if you win. Because he already hit you and can use the move.

I'm talking about moves like that. Rushes.

[CrazzyGamer]

i don't want it like budokai3, besides the moves in this game aren't very long anyway and the attack defense wins thing can screw up a combo, and i hate button mashing

[rumahirfan]

the fight slow down when i play it underwater

[Gerstein1]

Yea, (cough) RIGHT.

[hotwhire]

only charging is slow under water(that's annoying)

[zoliviragh]

It would be pretty good to swinm under water instead of flying under water.

[skipe94]

why a kid devision?

[redfoxytail347]

dude thats about the water thing in bt1 it dose all of that rippes waves ect in bt3 they take it out wried

[Armani18Tuzi]

i want something else too. i want that if i hit someone to the ground that then comes a kind of explosion,or that if i hit someone to a building or rock that it destroy so fast ,i want it just like majin vegeta VS goku that goku is stuck in that rock you know what i mean more explosions and that kind of stuff

[CrazzyGamer]

well the DID add that kinda, now you can get stuck in a rock like goku did against vegeta - i wanna be able to blow up the tournament ring like majin vegeta did.

[stayflyxx]

agreed with everything esspeacily the divisions. How the heck is Goten spposed to beat a giant vegeta ape!!??

[hotwhire]

but close combat engine should be made for the tournament stage

[DBZCNT]

One More Shite Thing About World Tournaments Is That Theres That Time Thing You Have To Be At A Percific Time To Play A Tournament

[coolman5242]

you should used melee's tournament system as a better example

[ZantherTsuki]

GOD NO not quicktime events!! The other ideas are great, but quicktime events are part of the reason why Burst Limit was "bleh".

[hotwhire]

it could ruin a combo

[ImIllieFoshoz18]

Nah i like it when its random on the tounaments, because i just dont want to pick the opponent i want to face, i would just have random opponents so i wouldnt make it too easy for me to win the tournament.

[hotwhire]

what makes no sense is in tenkaichi1 when you charge, rocks fly up and ground cracks but not in number 3?

[hotwhire]

big bang should make a big bang!!

[Bududulis]

1:07 - 1:15 ROFLMAO!

[hotwhire]

a teak could be "after you die and your ssj, before you switch you turn normal again like in budokai

[TreVerson155]

I think there should be specials team attacks like the fusions. One example is goku, gohan and gotens kamehameha against broly

[hotwhire]

we need to see more signs of pain a character is having cause the characters don't look too hurt after an ultimate other then ripped cloths - maybe add a death cry after knockout or broken arms like vegeta vs 18 - after there at red life they should have broken limbs and yell out like vegeta when his arm was broken.

[sundus100]

i dont agreewith most fo these choces

[Dreamerx47]

the first three were great dude

[seansfc]

i played the dbz evolution game its had the same game plays as the other dbz fighting games on psp but the characters had no flight so it dos make it a bit more tense when its not really easy to get away

[hotwhire]

but the characters are cheep American rip offs

[YoungSoldiers1000]

Exactly the onli type of quick time we need iz if we can lessen the damage of the attack but still have the movie like cut scene.... NO BUTTON COMBINATION'S OF ANY SORT... ONLI ADVANCE 4WARD!

[hotwhire]

i think it would be cool if BT4 characters had a death cry like :"vegeta: "oooooohaaaahh!!!" "K.O"

BTW u know what makes no sense? they had a splash and water sound effects in tenkaichi2 but not in 3 wtf?

[hotwhire]

i think if u blow up the world yur opponent should be screaming in the explosion. it adds the feel of damage or pain.

[redfoxytail347]

trmaments sresusly do need to be updated when about to win i vs broly or hugan whatever his name is SIPEK GIVE US DIVISON

[Tgoku123456]

BT is going for the wii

[hotwhire]

Another Tweak is If your Charging up into max mode - that's when the earth quake starts

[icemanX09]

hotwhire I don't know why U delete the comment but if tenkaichi 4 wanted new gen graphics the would put it on the Xbox 360 too.. xcluding the wii =(

well I know it would be on the PS3 for sure

[hotwhire]

i want it on 360 more, but it can or might be on wii (if they dim down the graphics) but for sure not on ps2

[icemanX09]

well I guess that we all are being unhumble and might be wrong

it might jusy before the PS2 and Wii LOL XD... I wounldn't care.... I can pop in tenkaichi 2 or 3 to this day and have great fun =D

[hotwhire]

why would it be for ps2 and wii only, It's NOT GOING TO BE ON PS2 FOR SURE!!!!! but why would it be a wii exclusive when they said it's gonna be on xbox and ps3 - if it's a wii exclusive then that's bullshit.

[icemanX09]

U never know until that TBA is changed or even if there going to be a tenkaichi 4

[YoungSoldiers1000]

Everything your saying makes perfect sense... expect absolutely NO QUICK TIME EVENTS!!!! EVER!!!... the lil cut sences are apart of what seprates budokai tenkaichi from the previous seires creating budkai 2 & 3 all over again!!! or worse... dbz infinite world... aww boy please no spike/atari

[hotwhire]

yeah, no need, i will rather sit through every attack, but if u have to press buttons that would screw up ur combos like that stupid dragon rush in budokai3

[bOobieSinTheAir]

Fortunately dragon rush has been removed in DBZ Infinite World and Shin Budokai games.. And those are the games really worth playing.. Tenkaichi games are just so simple and easy to play. The bad thing is that almost everyone thinks that Budokai sucks because they haven't found the way to play it. The "Cansel" system in Budokai games still rocks.

[hotwhire]

dragon rush was annoying cause of the control scheme for the computer

[hotwhire]

NO!!! NO rock paper scissors!!!!!!!!! >:(

[hotwhire]

no, need for quick time, unless it's like soulcalibur3 were u have to press block if something is flying at you.

[icemanX09]

I hope the makes make a tenkaich 4 for the PS3

[hotwhire]

i need it for 360

[hotwhire]

if thier are divisions then ur locked in it too cause u cant be a giant fighting kids or what about those who can transform to bigger monsters?

[hotwhire]

a small tweak would be if ur fighting someone with lightning in their aura u should be able to hear the static.

[DBZsonic123]

No I Meant The Music Where Goku Breaks King Kais Car

[Thegreatgia]

Dude, if YOU were the creator of this game, I'd TOTALY buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hotwhire]

i think if u blow up the world yur opponent should be screaming in the explosion.

[cooltoons4ever]

I hope this really happens

[saharath45]

dude you are awesome

[crimsonblade360]

in the show when vegeta and cell had there under water fight nothing realy changed they dident slow down or anything they were just underwater

[iceykid369]

what i think they should do is do the whole story of dragonball z from the beggining to the end E.G dragonball dragonball z and dragonball gt

[kingoftheroast]

i agree with all but mostly quick time events

[masterofsetway]

is it coming out for nintendo wii?

[LightningStash]

No!

[hotwhire]

u know in burst limit when u get punched in the stomach there face is all like O.O? they should add that or when super 17 does that move in infinite world and u see that face they should put that if u where gonna be hit by the spirit bomb and stuff,

[NOTSparkyPants]

Im really liking your ideas! the only question is on the ground combat. i agree with the idea of a better set up for ground combat but how would matches work for a non flying character(roshi) vs flying(adult goku)? from what it sounds like it seems you just want to have non fliers vs only non fliers...wouldnt that be too limiting?

[CDAWGHSEE1]

it would be too limiting....but think about hercuil(sorry for spelling)he uses a jetpack

[hotwhire]

2 non -flyers could run up to each other and attack like In "piccolo vs goku part 1"

[adun184]

this is ok but it woud bi cool if when a blast hets the groun it makes a hole.

[hotwhire]

you know what? there should be an active city stage like burning buildings and screaming people running away(3d figures no paper people like in tournament mode) BTW in tournament mode, if your attack hits the audience they run away and u see a hole in the arena like what Majin vegeta did in the show.

[hotwhire]

i think it would be cool if BT4 characters had a death cry like :"vegeta: "oooooohaaaahh!!!" "K.O"

BTW u know what makes no sense? they had a splash and water sound effects in tenkaichi2 but not in 3 wtf?

[CrazzyGamer]

What we need Is More craters in the floor, Nuclear bomb explosions like the show/ a new planet destruction scene (one alternate one where u blow UP the earth and u get to fight in space with meteors and stuff. Maybe some rocks flying up when u charge Ki.

[CrazzyGamer]

NO!!! NO rock paper scissors!!!!!!!!! >:(

[hotwhire]

In tenkaichi2 u charge slower under water.

[hotwhire]

think they should consider the idea of actual storyline fighting. With that I mean that it should be possible to be fighting 2-v-1 and not as in tag matches. For example it would be nice if theyd do that with the Goku vs. Burter/Jeice fight. Youd have to fight 2 enemies at the same time. Or Goku SSJ4/Vegeta SSJ4 vs. Omega Shenron. You should be able to switch between characters during the fight, and if youre fighting with lets say Goku SSJ4, Vegeta SSJ4 would go auto-pilot.

[chedell]

ideas go crazy yo 5 out of 5

[HuntOmarDoug]

Speaking of Ground combat they should fix General and Cyber Tao so they can't fly. They made them fly in Tenkaichi 3.

[jkkljkkl9292]

just love tenakichi., but i dont know what game was best, ,2 or 3.. in 3 it was so awesome but in 2 u could do allmost EVERY SINGLE ATTACK without a animated scene.. u know like a kamahameha u could just hold the bottom in to charge power... thats so great in tenkaichi 2 allmost every attack can u just hold it

[Circuit]

thankfully,u can get some water action....if you put two characters even with the water then use R2+X to KI DASH twoards them,the water will part infront of you a bit as your lower body trails thru it.besides that...ya it sucks...

seriously,could we atleast get something like brolys second movie?hiding in or behind waterfalls woudl be a useful trick..along with the HIGHER your energy,the easier it is to track,when u lower energy using guard and triangle,u escape ki lockons.

[GameMaster2k5]

Also, since when can you fight under water as long as you want? Losing health should be present when you're under for too long or something.

[gogetasaiyan44]

thats retarded,its a game not real life

[GameMaster2k5]

That's not the point. It'll add a little more realism to the stages.

[gogetasaiyan44]

its a game,what if people want to fight in water,either way spike isn't dumb enough to do that.

[BigMDooply13]

good point although Gogetasaiyan has a point as well. lol and so i quote ARDBZ There are flying cars in the same time period as dinosaurs, a magical wish granting dragon, and a talking dog rules the world...there is no realism in the dbz world lol

[Dewderino]

While tweaking the fighting system on the ground and in the water sounds good on paper, it would be frustrating in game, context sensitive controls in a fighting game, aren't much fun, having to adjust your playstyle because you were knocked into the water would eventually become annoying.

I do agree with your points about graphical updates and the Zanzoken, and I agree with the cinematic special moves being interactive, giving the other player two or three chances to escape the attack.

[Tsukento]

One thing that's kinda irked me was how ultimate blasts like Freeza's Death Ball can simply have no alternative affect should the opponent dodge it.

I'd say have attacks like those with certain characters affect the planet should they use them. Have the Death Ball nearly destroy the planet. If on the Tenkaichi Budokai stage, have the stage be blown up to add a new twist to the fight similar to Goku and Piccolo's fight in Dragon Ball.

[TheGameOracle]

"Great minds think alike."

[warhawk059377]

sooo true SO VERY TRUE the thing about the tournaments? i TOTALLY 100%agree with you my friend its all just so stupid i totally agree