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Fine American you are skate - if you like hate you gotta love this President and this war! Maybe we can kill everyone who disagrees with us! Wouldn't that be great! Wouldn't you have fun! Then you can go out and wave a flag and tell everyone what a great American you are.
respac, look at the youtube "Leftists and anti-war types hate our troops and America" and see the real face of the "peace movement burn a soldier effigy and a US flag.
Rao, you and your name-calling really is disgusting. If you and your type would keep from trying to run the world - the rest of the world wouldn't have to keep sending their sons and daughters into your wars. You play side by side with bin Laden and Saddam. You have other "playmates"also. Don't give me this hate the troops crap - you and your types have screwed things up again - and we're not listening to your whiney bull any longer.
wittumy, if treason fits, wear it traitor. It's not name calling when that's your name. Take your "moral eqi=uivalance and stick it. When we "torture" people in orange jump suits, we put panties on their head, your guys cut off heads.
I'm sure you torture people all the time Rao. What a disgusting human being you are. My guys are Americans asshole - just what the hell are you? Please don't say American -that's just too embarrassing.
wittumy, you liberals put panties on each others heads and lead each other with dog leashes. That's why all there are all those S&M Dungeons in Manhattan....that's where the LIBERALS are. BTW, you Dominatrix says, "You've been a bad boy."
TG, what the hell are you talking about? Is that the most intellegent thing you can write about? Whether it be gays or s&m - those who talk about them - are usually those who secretly behave as them.
A.NS.W.E.R,Code Pink,The Party for Socialism and Liberation, The Socialist International Action Center [IAC]Communist Workers World Party[WWP] United For Peace and Justice[UFPJ] all are traitors who do not support our Troops. They suport Marxist/Leninist Anarchists who hate America and Spew Communist propaganda. They are deceiving America!
Hard to believe an entire month has passed since those bushbots assaulted that protester. It all worked out for the better, though, as it really increased visits to my website yellowcakewalk dot net, White House Protests Every Single Saturday. See you THIS Saturday.
yellowcake is the dispstick that carried that sign. So Squeegy, why are you ralking about yourself in the third person like you were Bob Dole? Hey, you promised Smitty a bullet with his name on it. He's still waiting. He'll take it to the target range and practice. That is what you offered him wasn't it, free ammo? Kind of dumb if that was a threat towards Smitty. Officer Castro would be so disappointed in you.
Yo Squeegy since the first contracts for Iraq oil are not going to US firms then it is not a war for oil. So change your sign to Squeegy Lies Soldiers Die.
So Eric, how many different signs say F*CK in foreign languages do you use? I've seen a few, but really, how many? And why do they have to say F*CK at all?
It appears to me that you were assaulted and battered by two persons, that one of them took your property, and that he and others destroyed it.
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I was not injured, and the sign they destroyed was not difficult to replace. So let's pass on it, we have better things to do. I am satisfied that the silly film those counter-protesters put up on YouTube increased traffic tenfold to my website yellowcakewalk dot net. The irony is reward enough.
What a crock. This is a crowd of wanna-be thugs and nothing more. Even Rolling Thunder admits only half its membership are vets of any sort, much less Vietnam vets. Typical lying thugs.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men then himself" - John Stuart Mill
Oh and don't you dare ever spraypaint that wall or even talk about it you right wing scum, I don't agree with what the troops did or are doing but they are workers and human beings and attacking and defacing a memorial like the GOE wanted to do is not cool and it is offensive to real vets not you fake pro war thugs on bikes!
It shows that these right wingers are just a GANG OF EGOS! They love to say I fought for your freedom to speech and then when someone is speaking freely they attack him. You right wingers just hate america and the troops and if you don't like America then you can move to Cuba and go support the war from there because supporting the war means supporting the troops getting killed rather than having them at home with family and friends not getting killed or killing!
Typical NixonReaganBush fascist permanent rightwing one sided "free speech" hypocrisy of this scumbag country wherein the only "amendment" worshipped is the second. Or if you disagree with the slaugter of women and children in undefended countries white trash pimps like this come to the defense of faggots like W Bush a silver spooner gofer for his Father and Baker, FU
Here's a question: the right loves to describe the left as the great "unwashed". Project much? If these people are so pro-war, why the hell aren't they over there fighting in Iraq - or at the VERY least, why aren't they over there in some in-country supportive fashion - not everyone over there is fighting, you know. It's hypocrisy at its worst to help this administration push it's criminal agenda and "support" it by doing no more than protesting the anti-war protesters. What a bunch of chumps.
Its funny how neo-con's try to claim the anti-war person "wanted the confrontation". Its typical of a neo-con fuckbag to try to excuse the actions of other neo-con fuckbags..lol
That's the same thing a lot of rapists say... "The bitch was askin' for it. Lookit how she was dressed."
I don't think these guys are neo-cons... (Hell, I bet most neo-cons aren't neo-cons, anymore... The members of PNAC have got to be more than a little ashamed of how wrong they're turning out to be... With luck, this'll kill their prominence among conservatives.)
But at the time PNAC screwed this up, they were all conservatives. Some were workin' for Mr. Bush, and others were (& are) big time Con "thinkers," like Bill Kristol & his dad.
NeoCon means neo (new) conservative. Yes, some were once liberals (like Bill Kristol's father), but many are folks who serve(d) in Bush's administration. Whether new conservatives, old liberals, or some of both, they (PNAC & similar neocon "thinkers") were wrong about invading Iraq.
Yo repac3, as long as you are blaming PNAC and the NeoCons, what about the Jooos? Don't you guys support Palestine and hate the Jooos? Lots of terrorist solidarity dish towels and Palestinian flags in that peace march.
I have no real beef with the Jews. I think they shouldn't answer rocks with bullets, or crush the houses of the families of bad Palestinians (it's one thing to punish a murderer, but it isn't right to punish a murderer's whole family), but they're justified in protecting themselves from bombs.
So respac3 why select the symbol of the terrorist groups like Fatah and Black September to show solidarity with the Palestinians? It's like have an AK-47 as the symbol for a peace group...ops the RCYB already does....LOL ROFLMAO at your hypocrisy.
I'm not aware I'd chosen any such symbol, raoul... You must be confusing me with this strawman you're repeatedly building. Yes, there are extremists. Some of these extremists may even oppose the occupation of Iraq. But opposing this occupation does not make a group a "peace group."
If QUOTE ...opposing this occupation does not make a group a "peace group. UNQUOTE then don't call it an anti-war march, call it an anti-American march.
You obviously misunderstand. The majority attending are all for peace. People or groups who misbehave or espouse violence in other places may also attend, and perhaps even march, but that doesn't make them purveyors of peace.
You can judge the many by the few, if you prefer, just as I could assume most/all anti-abortion people are murderers because a few have bombed clinics or shot doctors. But doing so would make me look foolish, just as it does you.
It's not good enough that you and your little friends claim good intentions when you march with those who encourage the other side to kill American troops. Your presence will be used by ANSWER to justify their support of killing US troops.
I think you're reading #11 wrong, my friend. WTI (or ANSWER & the other 100 or so WTI endorsers worldwide) are NOT encouraging, supporting, or endorsing the killing American troops. I know you will continue to believe & spread your misunderstanding, but I hope you will also continue to direct folks to the actual words of #11, so that people can read it for themselves.
Yo repac3, The words say acts of desperation against the brutal occiper by the armed resistance are legitimate and justifed. That's car bombs by the jihadists into markets and mosques. And that OK?
"11. <snip> It is the occupation and its brutality that has provoked a strong armed resistance and certain acts of desperation. By the principles embodied in the UN Charter and in international law, the popular national resistance to the occupation is legitimate and justified. It deserves the support of people everywhere who care for justice and freedom."
Sorry, I keep forgettinh how the Baath Party who terrorized Iraqis for decades and the Feddeen Sadam who were PERSONALLY loyal to Sadam and al-Queda are for fredoom. Guess the cutting off heads thingie is justice?
I'm sure I don't really have to explain to you that the Baath party, the Fedayeen Saddam, or Al Queda are fighting for the freedom of all Iraqis. (The US may be the only force in the country that actually wants freedom for all. Everyone else wants their own in control. If we could create freedom and democracy without their consent & assistance, we might even be successful. But with all the factions fighting each other, we have little hope of imposing our brand of freedom on them.)
I'm sure I don't really have to explain to you that the Baath party, the Fedayeen Saddam, or Al Queda are NOT fighting for the freedom of all Iraqis. (The US may be the only force in the country that actually wants freedom for all. Everyone else wants their own in control. If we could create freedom and democracy without their consent & assistance, we might even be successful. But with all the factions fighting each other, we have little hope of imposing our brand of freedom on them.)
respac3: No you don't have to explain it to me...because I was explaining it to you. Since you didn't know any of that it would seem, or you backed the bad guys and were ignoring it.
I reposted the text in question. Rather than telling readers what you or I think it says or means, let's allow them to read it for themselves, and decide what it means.
I'm pointing out what you denied in your lead in. At the march, was the chant QUOTE No War, No Way, No More FASCIST USA UNQUOTE pro-American or anti-American?
Oh puleeze....the Party for Socialism and Liberation along with long time communist Cagan will ALWAYS consider the US fascist. In their eyes Kucinich is Hitler too.
Whatever the PSL, Cagan, or anyone else happens to believe isn't really the issue for most peace activists. They probably take themselves as seriously as you do, but most of us at a given demo couldn't care less about 'em. We're there to encourage the reps & fellow citizens in our capitalist democratic republic to end a war.
Yo resopac3 the people who attend these willfully ignore that the leaders are extremists and use the same excuse that bigots used for joining the Klan. Look at all the pillars of the community that were joining too. Sorry, but nobody is buying that excuse anymore.
I don't believe you have your facts right... Can you show that these pillars of the community were not there to be racist extremists themselves, and/or claimed not to agree with the extremists who ran the Klan & obviously were?
If there is proof in Byrd's book that KKK members were not racists, or that they excused their membership by claiming they were not aware of what the Grand Wizard (or whomever) was really advocating, you really ought to post a quote or two...
Boy are you dense. Byrd and the anti-American protesters use the same excuse. That they were only doing what respectable people were doing. back then it was the Klan, today it is marching with ANSWER, UFPJ and Code Pink.
But Raoul... Anyone could say that about anything. I bet you think you're only doing what the respectable people are (or should be) doing in standing up for this occupation--even if it means mistreating (see video) or belittling (see comments here) those who don't agree with you.
Kind of a thin soup of an argument, if ya ask me...
Besides, you're still morally equating the Klan with ANSWER, UFPJ, and Code Pink without providing evidence that they are indeed morally equal.
Regardless of what you seem to think of me, I do not think you're dense, which makes one wonder why you choose not to answer some of the questions I put to you.
You obviously believe a "win" requires US troops to stay in Iraq and continue fighting, and would not support a "win" if it meant a political solution, instead. Supposing a "win" required that we bomb the whole place & everyone in it back to the stone age? (That "solution" isn't "off the table.") Are we to take sides in their civil war, perhaps siding with the sunis against the shia, to achieve our "win?"
My take on Byrd is he got a little smarter, the same way those "old libs" got dumber when they became NeoCons, got into Mr. Bush's inner circle, & helped him start a war...
Are you implying that the orgs who put together peace marches are morally equivalent to the KKK? What actions have they taken that lead you to that conclusion? Or it just their political persuasion that makes them extreme? Perhaps you'd like Mr. Bush to institute thought police to be sure everyone locksteps with you Cons...
I am saying that the people who marched with both anti-American groups used the same excuse. And you can forget about mentioning Bush because he is not why yuou and your friends hate America. I see you dropped neo from neo-cons, your old liberal.
"Cons" refers to all of you, neos included... Why you're so hung up on the fact that some Neo-Cons used to be libs is beyond me, though... It's what they are now that counts, far as I'm concerned... Reagan was a Dem once, as well... Do you dismiss him as an old lib, too?
Are you implying that the orgs who put together peace marches are morally equivalent to the KKK? What actions have they taken that lead you to that conclusion?
Is it just their political persuasion that makes them extreme? Perhaps you'd like Mr. Bush to institute thought police to be sure everyone locksteps with you Cons...
Are you implying that the orgs who put together peace marches are morally equivalent to the KKK? What actions have they taken that lead you to that conclusion? Or is it just their political persuasion that makes them extreme? Perhaps you'd like Mr. Bush to institute thought police to be sure everyone locksteps with you Cons...
raoul: I know you want to paint a different picture, but the majority of those who're marching & demonstrating against the occupation all across this country (& others) are not extremists, but just plain folks like you & I.
respac3: I'm not a traitor like you. I do not draw a moral equivalence between the Baath Party dictatorship and the USA. The extremists in the peace movement are not on the fringes, they are the leaders.
raoul: "I do not draw a moral equivalence between the Baath Party dictatorship and the USA."
More straw... Where did I draw any such moral equivalence?
I agree that some of the groups that organize demos have some strange ideas, but they don't insist that one sign a loyalty oath to their ideas before attending a demo. Most folks attending could care less about anything they're about aside ending the occupation.
Calling the liberation occupation you draw a moral equivalemnt and when you claim a right to resist. Nobody but the thugs in Iraq want the thugs to win. People tend to avoid living under terror and dictatorship given the chance.
It is your contention that the resistance is made up of jihadists? Are these jihadists Iraqis, or foreign-born?
IMH, the only legit resistance are Iraqis (those folks you claim to be liberating, when you're not saying they are the enemy). The rest (al queda) wouldn't be there, except that we invaded.
US forces are in Iraq, taking orders from the pResident, not the leaders of Iraq. I don't understand how you do not see them as an occupying force. Conversely, who are we liberating? Saddam & the Baath party are pretty well gone, now. All that remain are Sunnis, Shias, & the Kurds (all Iraqi people, who we're theoretically liberating), and al queda, who are only there because we invaded.
respac3: For you to say no one wins in war is racist. War freed the slaves. War saved the Jews. Or do you have a problem with that? Remember, racist is as racist does.
You're changing the question. I never said no one benefits from war; only that no one wins. To my knowledge, the slaves & Jews who were saved were not players in the wars that rescued them. (Yes, there were Jews and former slaves who fought, but they didn't need rescuing.) There are people who are benefiting from the occupation of Iraq, as well. Those benefits don't necessarily justify the acts, though...
YOu said that no good comes from war, then why go to Dafur with military troops. And freedom for the slaves and Jews was a good thing in my mind, so I'll have to disagree with you that it was not.
You can make things up about those you disagree with if it'll make you feel better or stronger or more moral, but actually proving your lies to others is a whole other matter.
indy and respac, don't ever claim to be Patriotic because you are not. Winning is we win, the insurgents lose and Iraq has a democracy. You guys hate America enough to say that the German and Japanese democracies to be a mistake.
Now you're just being silly, raoul. Say something intelligent & meaningful, that furthers actual debate, or don't even bother typing. Tossing out petty insults with no basis in fact say more about you than the person(s) you're targeting. Try again. What among my words lead you to believe I am an Al Qaeda patriot? Use actual quotes, please. (And try, just once, to spell my screen name correctly whilst you're at it. You've flubbed it every single time up till now.)
Now you're just being silly, raoul. Say something intelligent & meaningful, that furthers actual debate, or don't even bother typing. Tossing out petty insults with no basis in fact say more about you than the person(s) you're targeting. Try again. What among my words lead you to believe I am an Al Qaeda patriot? Use actual quotes, please. (And try, just once, to spell my screen name correctly whilst you're at it. You've flubbed it every single time you've tried.)
It's exactly right. Take the definition of patriot and apply the facts behind your own words and it's obvious that you are not an American patriot. Your words betray you. You remind me of the 50s and 60s ham handed Soviet propoganda, "No, baseball is Russian game invented in Soviet Union." With only your true believers and comrades believing it.
Raoul; I'm asking you to prove your point using my words. Either you can, or you can't. But simply repeating the claim isn't proving anything... It's time to put up or shut up, my friend. The interested parties (perhaps just me) are watching & waiting...
I have you PUT UP OR SHUT UP right here cupcake. I'll let your previous words stand and convict you. If you'd like to dig your hole deeper, what part of the marchers chanting NO WAR, NO WAY, NO RACIST USA was patriotic?
Don't you ever question my Patriotism. I love my country just as much as you do. Patriotic Americans can disagree on issues. Americans are tired of having their patriotism questioned by others simply because we disagree on issues. If you and your fellow "Patriotic Americans " keep up with the comments for the next 18 months the Dems will win the Presidency. It's time for you to stop questioning peoples patriotism.
indythinker1776 I don't question your patriotism, I know you're a traitor and that's a fact. What part of NO WAR, NO WAY, NO FASCIST USA is patriotic?
repsac3, you claiming that the USA is facist? That figures. Commie bastard. Just remember, you guy played house with Hitler for how long? Gang raped Poland with Hitler.
I thought you were, by saying that folks protesting against a fascist USA were being unpatriotic... I think it very patriotic to be against fascism in America.
repsac3, it's not patriotic to believe the USA is fascist. Is this country fascist, Comrade? That's just one example of people who trashed the USA as bad and evil time and time again at these "anti-war" marches. They aren't anti-war, they're anti-American because they express more hate for America than for war. For God's sake, even the old hands at these marches advise don't go to the rally aprt because it's 80% speeches on other grieveances than the war, especially if it's an ANSWER event.
I'm with ya on ANSWER not being able to stick to the topic. But the truth is, most peace protesters don't pay much attention to ANSWER. We know why we're there, even if they don't. If they weren't so good at getting permits & whatnot, very few would pay them any mind at all.
respac3, when you march with the Klan, you can't say your not a racist, even if David Diuke is really, really god at getting march permits and publicity. YOU white sheet could use some bleach.
It appears you're misreading it, my friend. I have no Klan experiences, and think your trying to draw any analogy between the Klan, who only have one purpose, and ANSWER, which you have already admitted has far too many purposes--of which peace is only one, is far too faulty to be of any use to anyone who isn't already drinking the kool-aid you're selling.
respac3, Peace is an ANSWER purpose? And youdare to call anyone else a Kool Aid drinker? Boy are you dumb as a stump. ANSWER has ONE purpose. To gain their goal, they'll apeal to many causes, co-oping the people who care about those cause to work for ANSWER. Again, you're no better than the Klan if you march with ANSWER.
You're not convincing anyone who doesn't already agree with you, which was my point in bringing up the sweetened beverage. All your redbaiting & namecalling isn't doing anyone any good, except that you seem to really enjoy it.
respac3, sorry dude, when your leaders call themselves the "Worker's World Party" how is it that I am the one "red baiting"? You seem to enjoy lying about it. Leslie Cagan went to Cuba and received military and weapons training to defend what? The US or communism? And she runs UFPJ with an iron fist, though with a little better PR than the Becker Brothers at ANSWER.
All that may be true, but it says nothing about the majority of folks in the peace movement... ...and you know it, which is why you insist on shining the light on the ANSWER fringe.
Actually dealing with all the good American men & women from all walks of life who are pushing for an end to the occupation creates too much cognitive dissonance, so you pick the worst, & run with it...
It's a shame respac but they don't want to understand that 99% of those who oppose this war are hard working, patriotic Americans. During the Viet Nam war protesters were lumped with the extemists also. We were all commie sympathizers. Well I guess you can see just how much traction the commie party had in the thirty something years since. Now we are told we want to see our soldiers die and hope to lose the war. Flag waving and denouncing others has never won a war. Ever.
wittumy, even the people who go to the "anti-war" rallies ralize that most of the people there have some bitch about America. They are not patriotic when they call our troops terrorists as Code Pink as done, on TV, in front of Walter Reed. Or to tell the enemy that thye have a right to kill American troops as ANSWER, CODE PINK and UFPJ has done. go to worldtribunal dot org and check it out.
The main "bitch" they have is that the Cons invaded Iraq. Yeah, there are 911 truth nuts, and commies, and anarchists, but they are a tiny fraction of the folks that are there.
I know we've done this one before (& probably will again), but the World Tribunal findings were NOT written by any of the groups you mention, and those findings do not say that "the enemy" has a right to kill Americans. (It says "resistance" to an occupying force is justified.)
respac3, small percentage? There's at least 10%, probably more like 15-20% 911 truth kookers in your marches now. You're numbers are so down that David Swanson reversed his no kooks rule for Camp Democracy and gave them a tent in which to show their look movies.
It's nice of you to worry about the peace movement's numbers, but I assure you, we are not.
The truthers are as wrong about 9/11 as Bush was about invading Iraq, but their asking questions & tossing out theories is fine by me...
As I said, believe as you will... If you wish to believe the peace movement is 10%-20% kooks, go right ahead. I'm fine with all kinds of kooks promoting all kinds of theories. No reason to give your wacky ideas any more or less credence than anyone else's...
They will point to you and tell the world you agree with their message. There's only one way to prevent that, don't participate in ANSWER rallies or marches or defend them.
respac3, ANSWER isn't the fringe of the anti-war moevment. It's the leadership! World can't Wait are the Revolutionary Communist Party. The RCP is to communism what David Koresh and the Branch Davidians were to religion. Your "peace movement" (World Can't Wait) has a rifle and bayonet as their symbol. For the kiddies it's a raised fist cleching an AK-47, you know, an assault weapon your liberals pee your pants over. So why can the RCP have that for the kippie poos?
I think you guys need to check out reality first. They might get ten members so they can rally and make idiots out of themselves. Wake up, the real anti-war movement is made up of people like you. During Viet Nam the only anti-war protesters to make the news were those who wanted violence. They were laughed at by all.
The point you keep missing is they are NOT the leadership of anyone but themselves. You & some of your fellow Cons take them far more seriously than 99% of the peace movement. I don't personally know anyone who supports any of these commie groups.
I'll grant you that some of these groups may want to end the occupation as part of some grand master plan for converting the US to communism. I want the occupation to end because it's unAmerican and wrong, and I'll bet that the vast majority of those at demos agree with me, not them. I'm using them to help me achieve my goals, and not the other way around. You can believe whatever you like, however...
WWP isn't my leader... They're another group in America that opposes the Iraq occupation. I don't belong to them, and they don't belong to me. I don't fear them, though.
Can't find anything on Cagan's Cuban military & weapons training... Source?
She likes communism. Good for her. I don't, and neither do the vast majority of peace folks.
Guilt by association is a poor substitute for an argument.
respac3, put Leslie Cagan as a phrase, Brigade as a word and Cuba as a word. One mandaory phrase and two mandatory word. Get back to me. As far as your lie about Horowitz, take what he says about Cagan and prove him wrong. Get back to me on that too. Anyone who's undecided, please go take the challenge and see what you get. Don't take anyone's word unless you know them to be reliable or you personally know what they say is true.
LC spent two months with a work brigade in Cuba. She is a communist. I'm not, and I don't care that she is.
Not even Horowitz is claiming she had military or weapons training. (If you want to prove otherwise, quote the line saying Cagan received the training you claim she did, & I will insert that quote as a phrase into Google & see what comes up.)
So nice of you to be so UNCURIOUS. I thought George Bush was bad for being UNCURIOUS. You can't open your eyes at all? It's not hard to find out what the firts Venceremous (spelling?) Brigades were taught. And I'm not talking about the 10% fringe of the peace movement, I'm talking about the LEADERSHIP. The LEADERSHIP is definitely anti-American, has American blood on their hands and supports the enemy. Your leaders are traitors.
Man, I did the searches... I found no evidence of your claims about Leslie Cagan & weapons training. Apparently, neither did you, or you would've come back with the quote. That's what I thought...
"Aside a few loons, everyone who attends an ANSWER rally is marching for peace, and nothing more." Yeah right. All those kaffiyahs and Palestinian flags for peace. Have at good time at the June 10th ANWSER and UFPJ "Hate The Jews" rally. One thing they have more than each other are the Jews.
respac3, search for this sentence: "The Venceremos Brigades were organized by Castro's Cuban intelligence agency, which trained some "brigadistas" in guerrilla warfare techniques, including the use of arms and explosives." Leslie was in the First Brigade, 10 months afer the revolution. Oh yeah they taught her finger painting.
Now, disagree all you like. Think what you want about them, about me, & about the majority of folks in this country who're supporting an end to the US occupation of Iraq. I have officially ceased to care, because you ain't listening, anyway...
So have at it, my good man... Repeat it all again, with my blessings... I have better things to do than go round yet again...
The ANSWER marchers are a collection of America Hating misfits with many wacky causes. But ANSWER does endorse the killing of soldiers and Iraqis, so when you march with them, you have the blood of innocent Iraqi children on your hands. You are a murderer too.
Horowitz has the burden of proof, not me. He's making the claims... There is no lie about Horowitz in my previous post... I said I don't trust him.
I'm only following your advice; I don't know Horowitz to be reliable, so I will not take his word for anything without proof, and I hope others don't, either.
respac3, when you march with ANSWER, you dip your hands into the blood of the victims who die because the insurgents heed ANSWER's call to continue killing our military and Iraqi civilians, including the deliberate targeting of children. There is no way that any claim of good intentions negates the terrible consequences of your helping ANSWER.
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country." —Theodore Roosevelt
The Shiites and Sunni have hated each other for 1400 years. Anyone who thinks they can put aside their differences and form a democratic government is drinking too much kool aid. Isn't a stabilized Iraq more important at this point than a democracy? How can our military make the 2 sides get along enough to not want to kill each other? That takes a diplomatic solution not a military one. Continuing to put our troops in harms way for an unattainable goal is foolish.
Whoever said anything about Germany and Japan? Those 2 were totally different and as history showed democracies worked in those countries. At this point in time a democracy won't work in Iraq.
Hey indythinker1776, you pukes also said elections and a constitution were beyond the capability of the Iraqis. You bigoted racist liberals are always telling the world how people of color need white liberals to look after them.
That doesn'rt even make sense, Raoul... We're not puting in favor of having whites (or blacks, or hispanics, or orientals) of any political persuasion in Iraq. You are. So which of us is offering the great white father here, those who want the Iraqis to determine their own future, or the ones propping up the makeshift "democratic" government?
indy, I don't need Rush or anyone for my opinions. Your side is the one obsessed with poll numbers and approval numbers. BTW, there's a Media Matter For America email unopened in your mailbox, you should open that to know what to think? And the website TALKING POINTS MEMO is which side, left or right?
This video is a clear example of an "assault". Its fun to see the true side of neo-con fuckbag-bikers that cant contain themselves when an anti-war person is present..lol
Somebody wasn't raised right. I'm proud of the self-control you guys had to let the yellow traitor walk away. Keep up the good work. Our Vets are THE BEST! Love you!
humm, I have many friends on that Vietnam wall. Kids I grew up with. we don't want another wall. we want the killing to stop. those people were hired goons.
You say you want the killing to stop, but have some bizarre idea that terrorism against the U.S. didn't exist until we sent troops to the Middle East.
I not only have friends on the Wall (served '63-85), but I have friends killed by terrorists long before even Clinton was in office.
It will not stop as long as a cowardly and ignorant public believe that running in fear will prevent violence. They probably also believe in the Easter Bunny
the history of terrorism has always been state Sponsored terror . hired thugs pasties. surley you shoudl know that by now and 911 was an inside job, research it for a weekend. Galdo was pulled of with the help if the CIA nothing has changed all roads lead to rome. George Tent Knight of Malta hello!
People do rotations or have served or are too old... Get a clue. That "why aren't you there" phrase is one of the most ignorant lines the left sheep were ever fed to say.
it dosnt take balls to walk into a group hopping for a mud hole stomping so you can get it on camera to try and make your side look victimized , but hey i don't think he would be doing the same thing with out his butt buddies with there cameras their . lol he still got pie faced by a little ladie , what a pussy oh and i mean that in a purly punk ass term like most of the pinko protesting punks. Who beg for a fight but only want to play victim when they get what they beg for .
I'm very sorry you're disabled. I took care of vets at the VA in Dayton as part of community service in middle school. I feel honored by your sacrifice.
that peac of shit hippie dizerved it
skatecky3 4 years ago 6
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Fine American you are skate - if you like hate you gotta love this President and this war! Maybe we can kill everyone who disagrees with us! Wouldn't that be great! Wouldn't you have fun! Then you can go out and wave a flag and tell everyone what a great American you are.
wittumy 4 years ago
respac, look at the youtube "Leftists and anti-war types hate our troops and America" and see the real face of the "peace movement burn a soldier effigy and a US flag.
raouldeming 4 years ago 3
Rao, you and your name-calling really is disgusting. If you and your type would keep from trying to run the world - the rest of the world wouldn't have to keep sending their sons and daughters into your wars. You play side by side with bin Laden and Saddam. You have other "playmates"also. Don't give me this hate the troops crap - you and your types have screwed things up again - and we're not listening to your whiney bull any longer.
wittumy 4 years ago
wittumy, if treason fits, wear it traitor. It's not name calling when that's your name. Take your "moral eqi=uivalance and stick it. When we "torture" people in orange jump suits, we put panties on their head, your guys cut off heads.
raouldeming 4 years ago 2
I'm sure you torture people all the time Rao. What a disgusting human being you are. My guys are Americans asshole - just what the hell are you? Please don't say American -that's just too embarrassing.
wittumy 4 years ago
wittumy, you liberals put panties on each others heads and lead each other with dog leashes. That's why all there are all those S&M Dungeons in Manhattan....that's where the LIBERALS are. BTW, you Dominatrix says, "You've been a bad boy."
tgslTakoma 4 years ago
TG, what the hell are you talking about? Is that the most intellegent thing you can write about? Whether it be gays or s&m - those who talk about them - are usually those who secretly behave as them.
wittumy 4 years ago
A.NS.W.E.R,Code Pink,The Party for Socialism and Liberation, The Socialist International Action Center [IAC]Communist Workers World Party[WWP] United For Peace and Justice[UFPJ] all are traitors who do not support our Troops. They suport Marxist/Leninist Anarchists who hate America and Spew Communist propaganda. They are deceiving America!
ssgtforce 4 years ago
This guy must have sado-masochistic impulses to be there. Well, it's a free country, right?
axonneuron 4 years ago
Hard to believe an entire month has passed since those bushbots assaulted that protester. It all worked out for the better, though, as it really increased visits to my website yellowcakewalk dot net, White House Protests Every Single Saturday. See you THIS Saturday.
yellowcakewalk 4 years ago
yellowcake is the dispstick that carried that sign. So Squeegy, why are you ralking about yourself in the third person like you were Bob Dole? Hey, you promised Smitty a bullet with his name on it. He's still waiting. He'll take it to the target range and practice. That is what you offered him wasn't it, free ammo? Kind of dumb if that was a threat towards Smitty. Officer Castro would be so disappointed in you.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Reasons for Iraq war:
1) OIL [ duh ]. Do you think Bush's oil buddies are going to share their plunder with the likes of YOU?
2) Protect and enrich his Israeli buddies.
3) To enrich Halliburton, Lockheed-Martin, Raytheon, Bechtel, CACI, SAIC, General Dynamics, and all his other war profiteer campaign boosters.
4) To build permanent military bases for permanent occupation of M.E.
5) To strike fear into the hearts of all Americans, that they would follow, sheep-like.
yellowcakewalk dot net
yellowcakewalk 4 years ago
Yo Squeegy since the first contracts for Iraq oil are not going to US firms then it is not a war for oil. So change your sign to Squeegy Lies Soldiers Die.
raouldeming 4 years ago
See you all tomorrow at the White House!
Entering our third year of White House Protest,
yours in resistance,
yellowcakewalk dot net
yellowcakewalk 4 years ago
So Eric, how many different signs say F*CK in foreign languages do you use? I've seen a few, but really, how many? And why do they have to say F*CK at all?
raouldeming 4 years ago
[my lawyer said]
It appears to me that you were assaulted and battered by two persons, that one of them took your property, and that he and others destroyed it.
[I replied:]
I was not injured, and the sign they destroyed was not difficult to replace. So let's pass on it, we have better things to do. I am satisfied that the silly film those counter-protesters put up on YouTube increased traffic tenfold to my website yellowcakewalk dot net. The irony is reward enough.
yellowcakewalk 4 years ago
Excellent footage of the assault! We have been getting a record number of visits at yellowcakewalk dot net! Thanks!
yellowcakewalk 4 years ago
Hey Squeegy, remember when you called the cops when the Rolling Thude guys invaded your permitted space? You knew better but you did it anyway.
raouldeming 4 years ago
What a crock. This is a crowd of wanna-be thugs and nothing more. Even Rolling Thunder admits only half its membership are vets of any sort, much less Vietnam vets. Typical lying thugs.
zuzukachoo 4 years ago
you are all fools
jpoRS 4 years ago
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men then himself" - John Stuart Mill
joealencar 4 years ago
Oh and don't you dare ever spraypaint that wall or even talk about it you right wing scum, I don't agree with what the troops did or are doing but they are workers and human beings and attacking and defacing a memorial like the GOE wanted to do is not cool and it is offensive to real vets not you fake pro war thugs on bikes!
Anokpoet 5 years ago
It shows that these right wingers are just a GANG OF EGOS! They love to say I fought for your freedom to speech and then when someone is speaking freely they attack him. You right wingers just hate america and the troops and if you don't like America then you can move to Cuba and go support the war from there because supporting the war means supporting the troops getting killed rather than having them at home with family and friends not getting killed or killing!
Anokpoet 5 years ago
Some of those pro-war "people" looked extremely inbred and ignorant.
What does that say about the cause.
Ironic that their fighting against Free Speach.
DjBall 5 years ago
Typical NixonReaganBush fascist permanent rightwing one sided "free speech" hypocrisy of this scumbag country wherein the only "amendment" worshipped is the second. Or if you disagree with the slaugter of women and children in undefended countries white trash pimps like this come to the defense of faggots like W Bush a silver spooner gofer for his Father and Baker, FU
hoctor 5 years ago
Here's a question: the right loves to describe the left as the great "unwashed". Project much? If these people are so pro-war, why the hell aren't they over there fighting in Iraq - or at the VERY least, why aren't they over there in some in-country supportive fashion - not everyone over there is fighting, you know. It's hypocrisy at its worst to help this administration push it's criminal agenda and "support" it by doing no more than protesting the anti-war protesters. What a bunch of chumps.
Hilarity 5 years ago
Title should be "Lost in a sea of Wanna-be Vets". What a bunch a brownshirt thugs. And that woman with a horrible voice is an idiot.
zzz666zzz13 5 years ago
Its funny how neo-con's try to claim the anti-war person "wanted the confrontation". Its typical of a neo-con fuckbag to try to excuse the actions of other neo-con fuckbags..lol
Suburbancowboy123 5 years ago
That's the same thing a lot of rapists say... "The bitch was askin' for it. Lookit how she was dressed."
I don't think these guys are neo-cons... (Hell, I bet most neo-cons aren't neo-cons, anymore... The members of PNAC have got to be more than a little ashamed of how wrong they're turning out to be... With luck, this'll kill their prominence among conservatives.)
repsac3 5 years ago
Neo Con is New Conservative, so blame it all on Old Liberals.
raouldeming 4 years ago
You can, if you choose...
But at the time PNAC screwed this up, they were all conservatives. Some were workin' for Mr. Bush, and others were (& are) big time Con "thinkers," like Bill Kristol & his dad.
repsac3 4 years ago
Hey respac3 NeoCon means new liberal which also means that it is all the fault of old liberals.
raouldeming 4 years ago
NeoCon means neo (new) conservative. Yes, some were once liberals (like Bill Kristol's father), but many are folks who serve(d) in Bush's administration. Whether new conservatives, old liberals, or some of both, they (PNAC & similar neocon "thinkers") were wrong about invading Iraq.
repsac3 4 years ago
Yo repac3, as long as you are blaming PNAC and the NeoCons, what about the Jooos? Don't you guys support Palestine and hate the Jooos? Lots of terrorist solidarity dish towels and Palestinian flags in that peace march.
raouldeming 4 years ago
I have no real beef with the Jews. I think they shouldn't answer rocks with bullets, or crush the houses of the families of bad Palestinians (it's one thing to punish a murderer, but it isn't right to punish a murderer's whole family), but they're justified in protecting themselves from bombs.
repsac3 4 years ago
So respac3 why select the symbol of the terrorist groups like Fatah and Black September to show solidarity with the Palestinians? It's like have an AK-47 as the symbol for a peace group...ops the RCYB already does....LOL ROFLMAO at your hypocrisy.
raouldeming 4 years ago
I'm not aware I'd chosen any such symbol, raoul... You must be confusing me with this strawman you're repeatedly building. Yes, there are extremists. Some of these extremists may even oppose the occupation of Iraq. But opposing this occupation does not make a group a "peace group."
repsac3 4 years ago
If QUOTE ...opposing this occupation does not make a group a "peace group. UNQUOTE then don't call it an anti-war march, call it an anti-American march.
raouldeming 4 years ago
You obviously misunderstand. The majority attending are all for peace. People or groups who misbehave or espouse violence in other places may also attend, and perhaps even march, but that doesn't make them purveyors of peace.
You can judge the many by the few, if you prefer, just as I could assume most/all anti-abortion people are murderers because a few have bombed clinics or shot doctors. But doing so would make me look foolish, just as it does you.
repsac3 4 years ago
It's not good enough that you and your little friends claim good intentions when you march with those who encourage the other side to kill American troops. Your presence will be used by ANSWER to justify their support of killing US troops.
raouldeming 4 years ago
I think you're reading #11 wrong, my friend. WTI (or ANSWER & the other 100 or so WTI endorsers worldwide) are NOT encouraging, supporting, or endorsing the killing American troops. I know you will continue to believe & spread your misunderstanding, but I hope you will also continue to direct folks to the actual words of #11, so that people can read it for themselves.
repsac3 4 years ago
Yo repac3, The words say acts of desperation against the brutal occiper by the armed resistance are legitimate and justifed. That's car bombs by the jihadists into markets and mosques. And that OK?
raouldeming 4 years ago
"11. <snip> It is the occupation and its brutality that has provoked a strong armed resistance and certain acts of desperation. By the principles embodied in the UN Charter and in international law, the popular national resistance to the occupation is legitimate and justified. It deserves the support of people everywhere who care for justice and freedom."
repsac3 4 years ago
Sorry, I keep forgettinh how the Baath Party who terrorized Iraqis for decades and the Feddeen Sadam who were PERSONALLY loyal to Sadam and al-Queda are for fredoom. Guess the cutting off heads thingie is justice?
raouldeming 4 years ago
I'm sure I don't really have to explain to you that the Baath party, the Fedayeen Saddam, or Al Queda are fighting for the freedom of all Iraqis. (The US may be the only force in the country that actually wants freedom for all. Everyone else wants their own in control. If we could create freedom and democracy without their consent & assistance, we might even be successful. But with all the factions fighting each other, we have little hope of imposing our brand of freedom on them.)
repsac3 4 years ago
I'm sure I don't really have to explain to you that the Baath party, the Fedayeen Saddam, or Al Queda are NOT fighting for the freedom of all Iraqis. (The US may be the only force in the country that actually wants freedom for all. Everyone else wants their own in control. If we could create freedom and democracy without their consent & assistance, we might even be successful. But with all the factions fighting each other, we have little hope of imposing our brand of freedom on them.)
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3: No you don't have to explain it to me...because I was explaining it to you. Since you didn't know any of that it would seem, or you backed the bad guys and were ignoring it.
raouldeming 4 years ago
And no, there is no justice in violence, no matter what faction or side commits it.
repsac3 4 years ago
I reposted the text in question. Rather than telling readers what you or I think it says or means, let's allow them to read it for themselves, and decide what it means.
repsac3 4 years ago
I'm pointing out what you denied in your lead in. At the march, was the chant QUOTE No War, No Way, No More FASCIST USA UNQUOTE pro-American or anti-American?
raouldeming 4 years ago
I think that chant you quote was anti-Bush administration, and pro-American values. (I didn't hear it at the march, though.)
repsac3 4 years ago
Oh puleeze....the Party for Socialism and Liberation along with long time communist Cagan will ALWAYS consider the US fascist. In their eyes Kucinich is Hitler too.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Whatever the PSL, Cagan, or anyone else happens to believe isn't really the issue for most peace activists. They probably take themselves as seriously as you do, but most of us at a given demo couldn't care less about 'em. We're there to encourage the reps & fellow citizens in our capitalist democratic republic to end a war.
repsac3 4 years ago
Yo resopac3 the people who attend these willfully ignore that the leaders are extremists and use the same excuse that bigots used for joining the Klan. Look at all the pillars of the community that were joining too. Sorry, but nobody is buying that excuse anymore.
raouldeming 4 years ago
I don't believe you have your facts right... Can you show that these pillars of the community were not there to be racist extremists themselves, and/or claimed not to agree with the extremists who ran the Klan & obviously were?
repsac3 4 years ago
I have my facts right. Ready racist Byrds book.
raouldeming 4 years ago
If there is proof in Byrd's book that KKK members were not racists, or that they excused their membership by claiming they were not aware of what the Grand Wizard (or whomever) was really advocating, you really ought to post a quote or two...
repsac3 4 years ago
Boy are you dense. Byrd and the anti-American protesters use the same excuse. That they were only doing what respectable people were doing. back then it was the Klan, today it is marching with ANSWER, UFPJ and Code Pink.
raouldeming 4 years ago
But Raoul... Anyone could say that about anything. I bet you think you're only doing what the respectable people are (or should be) doing in standing up for this occupation--even if it means mistreating (see video) or belittling (see comments here) those who don't agree with you.
Kind of a thin soup of an argument, if ya ask me...
repsac3 4 years ago
Besides, you're still morally equating the Klan with ANSWER, UFPJ, and Code Pink without providing evidence that they are indeed morally equal.
Regardless of what you seem to think of me, I do not think you're dense, which makes one wonder why you choose not to answer some of the questions I put to you.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, I'll ask you again, do you want the US to win in Iraq? It's a yes or no answer.
raouldeming 4 years ago
You obviously believe a "win" requires US troops to stay in Iraq and continue fighting, and would not support a "win" if it meant a political solution, instead. Supposing a "win" required that we bomb the whole place & everyone in it back to the stone age? (That "solution" isn't "off the table.") Are we to take sides in their civil war, perhaps siding with the sunis against the shia, to achieve our "win?"
It is not so "yes or no" as it seems...
repsac3 4 years ago
Until the term "win" is defined, with a realistic plan for achievement, your question cannot be answered yes or no.
repsac3 4 years ago
We need to define both the ends we want and the means we're willing to use to achieve them.
repsac3 4 years ago
The first step might be deciding who the Iraqi people actually are; the "allies" we're helping, or the "enemy" we're fighting.
repsac3 4 years ago
My take on Byrd is he got a little smarter, the same way those "old libs" got dumber when they became NeoCons, got into Mr. Bush's inner circle, & helped him start a war...
repsac3 4 years ago
Are you implying that the orgs who put together peace marches are morally equivalent to the KKK? What actions have they taken that lead you to that conclusion? Or it just their political persuasion that makes them extreme? Perhaps you'd like Mr. Bush to institute thought police to be sure everyone locksteps with you Cons...
repsac3 4 years ago
I am saying that the people who marched with both anti-American groups used the same excuse. And you can forget about mentioning Bush because he is not why yuou and your friends hate America. I see you dropped neo from neo-cons, your old liberal.
raouldeming 4 years ago
"Cons" refers to all of you, neos included... Why you're so hung up on the fact that some Neo-Cons used to be libs is beyond me, though... It's what they are now that counts, far as I'm concerned... Reagan was a Dem once, as well... Do you dismiss him as an old lib, too?
repsac3 4 years ago
Lotta talk, still no proof...
repsac3 4 years ago
Are you implying that the orgs who put together peace marches are morally equivalent to the KKK? What actions have they taken that lead you to that conclusion?
repsac3 4 years ago
Is it just their political persuasion that makes them extreme? Perhaps you'd like Mr. Bush to institute thought police to be sure everyone locksteps with you Cons...
repsac3 4 years ago
Are you implying that the orgs who put together peace marches are morally equivalent to the KKK? What actions have they taken that lead you to that conclusion? Or is it just their political persuasion that makes them extreme? Perhaps you'd like Mr. Bush to institute thought police to be sure everyone locksteps with you Cons...
repsac3 4 years ago
What was it I "denied in my lead in," and what is it you're pointing out as proof of my denial or refutation of it?
Does this chant have anything to do with "my denial," or is it proof or refutation of something else?
Everytime I re-read this comment, I wonder what it was you were trying to say...
repsac3 4 years ago
raoul: I know you want to paint a different picture, but the majority of those who're marching & demonstrating against the occupation all across this country (& others) are not extremists, but just plain folks like you & I.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3: I'm not a traitor like you. I do not draw a moral equivalence between the Baath Party dictatorship and the USA. The extremists in the peace movement are not on the fringes, they are the leaders.
raouldeming 4 years ago
raoul: "I do not draw a moral equivalence between the Baath Party dictatorship and the USA."
More straw... Where did I draw any such moral equivalence?
I agree that some of the groups that organize demos have some strange ideas, but they don't insist that one sign a loyalty oath to their ideas before attending a demo. Most folks attending could care less about anything they're about aside ending the occupation.
repsac3 4 years ago
Calling the liberation occupation you draw a moral equivalemnt and when you claim a right to resist. Nobody but the thugs in Iraq want the thugs to win. People tend to avoid living under terror and dictatorship given the chance.
raouldeming 4 years ago
"Occupation: the seizure and control of an area by military forces, esp. foreign territory."
"Liberation: a movement seeking equal rights and status for a group"
repsac3 4 years ago
Hey repac3, who will the resistance liberate? No one has a chance at freedom under the jihadists.
raouldeming 4 years ago
It is your contention that the resistance is made up of jihadists? Are these jihadists Iraqis, or foreign-born?
IMH, the only legit resistance are Iraqis (those folks you claim to be liberating, when you're not saying they are the enemy). The rest (al queda) wouldn't be there, except that we invaded.
repsac3 4 years ago
Who gets to decide whats best for Iraq, George Bush or the Iraqi people?
indythinker1776 4 years ago
US forces are in Iraq, taking orders from the pResident, not the leaders of Iraq. I don't understand how you do not see them as an occupying force. Conversely, who are we liberating? Saddam & the Baath party are pretty well gone, now. All that remain are Sunnis, Shias, & the Kurds (all Iraqi people, who we're theoretically liberating), and al queda, who are only there because we invaded.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, That's spelled President. If he's dumber, you are dumber. He was elected twice and you were not.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Did I call anyone dumb? (More straw.)
repsac3 4 years ago
So respac3, who do you want to win this war?
raouldeming 4 years ago
Where war is involved, no one wins. I'd like as many people as possible to get out of it alive & intact, which is the best one can hope for from war.
I want the Iraqi people to end their civil war, which will be helped by our not being a part of it.
If I could go back in time, I would want Mr Bush not to've foolishly started a war in Iraq in the first place.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3: For you to say no one wins in war is racist. War freed the slaves. War saved the Jews. Or do you have a problem with that? Remember, racist is as racist does.
raouldeming 4 years ago
You're changing the question. I never said no one benefits from war; only that no one wins. To my knowledge, the slaves & Jews who were saved were not players in the wars that rescued them. (Yes, there were Jews and former slaves who fought, but they didn't need rescuing.) There are people who are benefiting from the occupation of Iraq, as well. Those benefits don't necessarily justify the acts, though...
repsac3 4 years ago
YOu said that no good comes from war, then why go to Dafur with military troops. And freedom for the slaves and Jews was a good thing in my mind, so I'll have to disagree with you that it was not.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Once again, you misstate what I said, & build a man of straw...
repsac3 4 years ago
Quote my words saying no good comes from war, please.
Follow that with my words claiming that freedom for slaves/Jews was not a good thing.
repsac3 4 years ago
You can make things up about those you disagree with if it'll make you feel better or stronger or more moral, but actually proving your lies to others is a whole other matter.
repsac3 4 years ago
There's plenty of straw in your manure.
raouldeming 4 years ago
"There's plenty of straw in your manure."
Explain.
repsac3 4 years ago
Define winning.
indythinker1776 4 years ago
indy and respac, don't ever claim to be Patriotic because you are not. Winning is we win, the insurgents lose and Iraq has a democracy. You guys hate America enough to say that the German and Japanese democracies to be a mistake.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Still can't respond to the questions, I guess...
And still making stuff up to justify your "moral superiority"... (Who said anything about German/Japanese democracies?)
repsac3 4 years ago
I am patriotic.
I am not a jingoist.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac1, by the definition of the word patriot and your own words, you are an Al-Qaeda patriot.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Now you're just being silly, raoul. Say something intelligent & meaningful, that furthers actual debate, or don't even bother typing. Tossing out petty insults with no basis in fact say more about you than the person(s) you're targeting. Try again. What among my words lead you to believe I am an Al Qaeda patriot? Use actual quotes, please. (And try, just once, to spell my screen name correctly whilst you're at it. You've flubbed it every single time up till now.)
repsac3 4 years ago
Now you're just being silly, raoul. Say something intelligent & meaningful, that furthers actual debate, or don't even bother typing. Tossing out petty insults with no basis in fact say more about you than the person(s) you're targeting. Try again. What among my words lead you to believe I am an Al Qaeda patriot? Use actual quotes, please. (And try, just once, to spell my screen name correctly whilst you're at it. You've flubbed it every single time you've tried.)
repsac3 4 years ago
It's exactly right. Take the definition of patriot and apply the facts behind your own words and it's obvious that you are not an American patriot. Your words betray you. You remind me of the 50s and 60s ham handed Soviet propoganda, "No, baseball is Russian game invented in Soviet Union." With only your true believers and comrades believing it.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Raoul; I'm asking you to prove your point using my words. Either you can, or you can't. But simply repeating the claim isn't proving anything... It's time to put up or shut up, my friend. The interested parties (perhaps just me) are watching & waiting...
repsac3 4 years ago
I have you PUT UP OR SHUT UP right here cupcake. I'll let your previous words stand and convict you. If you'd like to dig your hole deeper, what part of the marchers chanting NO WAR, NO WAY, NO RACIST USA was patriotic?
raouldeming 4 years ago
Don't you ever question my Patriotism. I love my country just as much as you do. Patriotic Americans can disagree on issues. Americans are tired of having their patriotism questioned by others simply because we disagree on issues. If you and your fellow "Patriotic Americans " keep up with the comments for the next 18 months the Dems will win the Presidency. It's time for you to stop questioning peoples patriotism.
indythinker1776 4 years ago
indythinker1776 I don't question your patriotism, I know you're a traitor and that's a fact. What part of NO WAR, NO WAY, NO FASCIST USA is patriotic?
raouldeming 4 years ago
What, you want a fascist usa?
repsac3 4 years ago
repsac3, you claiming that the USA is facist? That figures. Commie bastard. Just remember, you guy played house with Hitler for how long? Gang raped Poland with Hitler.
raouldeming 4 years ago
I'm not claiming anything of the kind.
I thought you were, by saying that folks protesting against a fascist USA were being unpatriotic... I think it very patriotic to be against fascism in America.
repsac3 4 years ago
repsac3, it's not patriotic to believe the USA is fascist. Is this country fascist, Comrade? That's just one example of people who trashed the USA as bad and evil time and time again at these "anti-war" marches. They aren't anti-war, they're anti-American because they express more hate for America than for war. For God's sake, even the old hands at these marches advise don't go to the rally aprt because it's 80% speeches on other grieveances than the war, especially if it's an ANSWER event.
raouldeming 4 years ago
"Is this country fascist, Comrade?"
No, it isn't.
I'm with ya on ANSWER not being able to stick to the topic. But the truth is, most peace protesters don't pay much attention to ANSWER. We know why we're there, even if they don't. If they weren't so good at getting permits & whatnot, very few would pay them any mind at all.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, when you march with the Klan, you can't say your not a racist, even if David Diuke is really, really god at getting march permits and publicity. YOU white sheet could use some bleach.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Is this something you know from experience?
repsac3 4 years ago
Experience? Nope, just reading the file on you...
raouldeming 4 years ago
It appears you're misreading it, my friend. I have no Klan experiences, and think your trying to draw any analogy between the Klan, who only have one purpose, and ANSWER, which you have already admitted has far too many purposes--of which peace is only one, is far too faulty to be of any use to anyone who isn't already drinking the kool-aid you're selling.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, Peace is an ANSWER purpose? And youdare to call anyone else a Kool Aid drinker? Boy are you dumb as a stump. ANSWER has ONE purpose. To gain their goal, they'll apeal to many causes, co-oping the people who care about those cause to work for ANSWER. Again, you're no better than the Klan if you march with ANSWER.
raouldeming 4 years ago
A little too conspiracy theorist for me...
...but believe as you will...
You're not convincing anyone who doesn't already agree with you, which was my point in bringing up the sweetened beverage. All your redbaiting & namecalling isn't doing anyone any good, except that you seem to really enjoy it.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, sorry dude, when your leaders call themselves the "Worker's World Party" how is it that I am the one "red baiting"? You seem to enjoy lying about it. Leslie Cagan went to Cuba and received military and weapons training to defend what? The US or communism? And she runs UFPJ with an iron fist, though with a little better PR than the Becker Brothers at ANSWER.
raouldeming 4 years ago
All that may be true, but it says nothing about the majority of folks in the peace movement... ...and you know it, which is why you insist on shining the light on the ANSWER fringe.
Actually dealing with all the good American men & women from all walks of life who are pushing for an end to the occupation creates too much cognitive dissonance, so you pick the worst, & run with it...
repsac3 4 years ago
It's a shame respac but they don't want to understand that 99% of those who oppose this war are hard working, patriotic Americans. During the Viet Nam war protesters were lumped with the extemists also. We were all commie sympathizers. Well I guess you can see just how much traction the commie party had in the thirty something years since. Now we are told we want to see our soldiers die and hope to lose the war. Flag waving and denouncing others has never won a war. Ever.
wittumy 4 years ago
wittumy, even the people who go to the "anti-war" rallies ralize that most of the people there have some bitch about America. They are not patriotic when they call our troops terrorists as Code Pink as done, on TV, in front of Walter Reed. Or to tell the enemy that thye have a right to kill American troops as ANSWER, CODE PINK and UFPJ has done. go to worldtribunal dot org and check it out.
raouldeming 4 years ago
The main "bitch" they have is that the Cons invaded Iraq. Yeah, there are 911 truth nuts, and commies, and anarchists, but they are a tiny fraction of the folks that are there.
I know we've done this one before (& probably will again), but the World Tribunal findings were NOT written by any of the groups you mention, and those findings do not say that "the enemy" has a right to kill Americans. (It says "resistance" to an occupying force is justified.)
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, small percentage? There's at least 10%, probably more like 15-20% 911 truth kookers in your marches now. You're numbers are so down that David Swanson reversed his no kooks rule for Camp Democracy and gave them a tent in which to show their look movies.
raouldeming 4 years ago
It's nice of you to worry about the peace movement's numbers, but I assure you, we are not.
The truthers are as wrong about 9/11 as Bush was about invading Iraq, but their asking questions & tossing out theories is fine by me...
As I said, believe as you will... If you wish to believe the peace movement is 10%-20% kooks, go right ahead. I'm fine with all kinds of kooks promoting all kinds of theories. No reason to give your wacky ideas any more or less credence than anyone else's...
repsac3 4 years ago
They will point to you and tell the world you agree with their message. There's only one way to prevent that, don't participate in ANSWER rallies or marches or defend them.
raouldeming 4 years ago
respac3, ANSWER isn't the fringe of the anti-war moevment. It's the leadership! World can't Wait are the Revolutionary Communist Party. The RCP is to communism what David Koresh and the Branch Davidians were to religion. Your "peace movement" (World Can't Wait) has a rifle and bayonet as their symbol. For the kiddies it's a raised fist cleching an AK-47, you know, an assault weapon your liberals pee your pants over. So why can the RCP have that for the kippie poos?
raouldeming 4 years ago
I think you guys need to check out reality first. They might get ten members so they can rally and make idiots out of themselves. Wake up, the real anti-war movement is made up of people like you. During Viet Nam the only anti-war protesters to make the news were those who wanted violence. They were laughed at by all.
wittumy 4 years ago
The point you keep missing is they are NOT the leadership of anyone but themselves. You & some of your fellow Cons take them far more seriously than 99% of the peace movement. I don't personally know anyone who supports any of these commie groups.
repsac3 4 years ago
I'll grant you that some of these groups may want to end the occupation as part of some grand master plan for converting the US to communism. I want the occupation to end because it's unAmerican and wrong, and I'll bet that the vast majority of those at demos agree with me, not them. I'm using them to help me achieve my goals, and not the other way around. You can believe whatever you like, however...
repsac3 4 years ago
You're right, It is unamerican to want freedom.
usmc7242 4 years ago
WWP isn't my leader... They're another group in America that opposes the Iraq occupation. I don't belong to them, and they don't belong to me. I don't fear them, though.
Can't find anything on Cagan's Cuban military & weapons training... Source?
She likes communism. Good for her. I don't, and neither do the vast majority of peace folks.
Guilt by association is a poor substitute for an argument.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, Go check out Leslie Cagan and Venceremos Brigades on Google. Or Discover The Networks.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Done Google (Horowitz wouldn't recognise a fact if it bit him.)
No reference to Cagan's Cuban military or weapons training.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, put Leslie Cagan as a phrase, Brigade as a word and Cuba as a word. One mandaory phrase and two mandatory word. Get back to me. As far as your lie about Horowitz, take what he says about Cagan and prove him wrong. Get back to me on that too. Anyone who's undecided, please go take the challenge and see what you get. Don't take anyone's word unless you know them to be reliable or you personally know what they say is true.
raouldeming 4 years ago
LC spent two months with a work brigade in Cuba. She is a communist. I'm not, and I don't care that she is.
Not even Horowitz is claiming she had military or weapons training. (If you want to prove otherwise, quote the line saying Cagan received the training you claim she did, & I will insert that quote as a phrase into Google & see what comes up.)
repsac3 4 years ago
So nice of you to be so UNCURIOUS. I thought George Bush was bad for being UNCURIOUS. You can't open your eyes at all? It's not hard to find out what the firts Venceremous (spelling?) Brigades were taught. And I'm not talking about the 10% fringe of the peace movement, I'm talking about the LEADERSHIP. The LEADERSHIP is definitely anti-American, has American blood on their hands and supports the enemy. Your leaders are traitors.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Man, I did the searches... I found no evidence of your claims about Leslie Cagan & weapons training. Apparently, neither did you, or you would've come back with the quote. That's what I thought...
repsac3 4 years ago
I've gone round & round with you on this ANSWER thing... All you do is ignore what I say & repeat your own beliefs...
Last time:
They ain't my leaders.
I'm not a Communist, & I don't care that they are.
They organize protests & get permits. That's all they're good for.
I don't buy into the rest of what they are selling. Very few folks do.
Aside a few loons, everyone who attends an ANSWER rally is marching for peace, and nothing more.
repsac3 4 years ago
"Aside a few loons, everyone who attends an ANSWER rally is marching for peace, and nothing more." Yeah right. All those kaffiyahs and Palestinian flags for peace. Have at good time at the June 10th ANWSER and UFPJ "Hate The Jews" rally. One thing they have more than each other are the Jews.
raouldeming 4 years ago
respac3, search for this sentence: "The Venceremos Brigades were organized by Castro's Cuban intelligence agency, which trained some "brigadistas" in guerrilla warfare techniques, including the use of arms and explosives." Leslie was in the First Brigade, 10 months afer the revolution. Oh yeah they taught her finger painting.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Now, disagree all you like. Think what you want about them, about me, & about the majority of folks in this country who're supporting an end to the US occupation of Iraq. I have officially ceased to care, because you ain't listening, anyway...
So have at it, my good man... Repeat it all again, with my blessings... I have better things to do than go round yet again...
repsac3 4 years ago
The ANSWER marchers are a collection of America Hating misfits with many wacky causes. But ANSWER does endorse the killing of soldiers and Iraqis, so when you march with them, you have the blood of innocent Iraqi children on your hands. You are a murderer too.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Horowitz has the burden of proof, not me. He's making the claims... There is no lie about Horowitz in my previous post... I said I don't trust him.
I'm only following your advice; I don't know Horowitz to be reliable, so I will not take his word for anything without proof, and I hope others don't, either.
repsac3 4 years ago
respac3, when you march with ANSWER, you dip your hands into the blood of the victims who die because the insurgents heed ANSWER's call to continue killing our military and Iraqi civilians, including the deliberate targeting of children. There is no way that any claim of good intentions negates the terrible consequences of your helping ANSWER.
raouldeming 4 years ago
Did you ever hear me say that? No because I never did.
indythinker1776 4 years ago
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country." —Theodore Roosevelt
indythinker1776 4 years ago
The Shiites and Sunni have hated each other for 1400 years. Anyone who thinks they can put aside their differences and form a democratic government is drinking too much kool aid. Isn't a stabilized Iraq more important at this point than a democracy? How can our military make the 2 sides get along enough to not want to kill each other? That takes a diplomatic solution not a military one. Continuing to put our troops in harms way for an unattainable goal is foolish.
indythinker1776 4 years ago
Whoever said anything about Germany and Japan? Those 2 were totally different and as history showed democracies worked in those countries. At this point in time a democracy won't work in Iraq.
indythinker1776 4 years ago
Hey indythinker1776, you pukes also said elections and a constitution were beyond the capability of the Iraqis. You bigoted racist liberals are always telling the world how people of color need white liberals to look after them.
raouldeming 4 years ago
That doesn'rt even make sense, Raoul... We're not puting in favor of having whites (or blacks, or hispanics, or orientals) of any political persuasion in Iraq. You are. So which of us is offering the great white father here, those who want the Iraqis to determine their own future, or the ones propping up the makeshift "democratic" government?
repsac3 4 years ago
Where do you get this crap? I guess it is very difficult for you to discuss an issue if you haven't gotten your talking points from Rush.
indythinker1776 4 years ago
indy, I don't need Rush or anyone for my opinions. Your side is the one obsessed with poll numbers and approval numbers. BTW, there's a Media Matter For America email unopened in your mailbox, you should open that to know what to think? And the website TALKING POINTS MEMO is which side, left or right?
raouldeming 4 years ago
That said, I do believe there should be an independent Palestine, with no interference from Israel (& vice versa).
I'm not aware of the "Jooos" having anything to do with the invasion of Iraq, though... So no, I don't blame the "Jooos."
repsac3 4 years ago
This video is a clear example of an "assault". Its fun to see the true side of neo-con fuckbag-bikers that cant contain themselves when an anti-war person is present..lol
Suburbancowboy123 5 years ago
Disgraceful exhibition. This is criminal. This was an assault.
lililCall 5 years ago
Somebody wasn't raised right. I'm proud of the self-control you guys had to let the yellow traitor walk away. Keep up the good work. Our Vets are THE BEST! Love you!
sherrbee 5 years ago
humm, I have many friends on that Vietnam wall. Kids I grew up with. we don't want another wall. we want the killing to stop. those people were hired goons.
atwitsend 5 years ago
You say you want the killing to stop, but have some bizarre idea that terrorism against the U.S. didn't exist until we sent troops to the Middle East.
I not only have friends on the Wall (served '63-85), but I have friends killed by terrorists long before even Clinton was in office.
It will not stop as long as a cowardly and ignorant public believe that running in fear will prevent violence. They probably also believe in the Easter Bunny
MsgtSpook 4 years ago
the history of terrorism has always been state Sponsored terror . hired thugs pasties. surley you shoudl know that by now and 911 was an inside job, research it for a weekend. Galdo was pulled of with the help if the CIA nothing has changed all roads lead to rome. George Tent Knight of Malta hello!
atwitsend 4 years ago
People do rotations or have served or are too old... Get a clue. That "why aren't you there" phrase is one of the most ignorant lines the left sheep were ever fed to say.
PhantomRazor 5 years ago
because they won't let me . Or i would have been there from the gate.I tried to enlist on 9-12 and was turned away .
Mojack420 5 years ago
it dosnt take balls to walk into a group hopping for a mud hole stomping so you can get it on camera to try and make your side look victimized , but hey i don't think he would be doing the same thing with out his butt buddies with there cameras their . lol he still got pie faced by a little ladie , what a pussy oh and i mean that in a purly punk ass term like most of the pinko protesting punks. Who beg for a fight but only want to play victim when they get what they beg for .
Mojack420 5 years ago
if you support the war, why are you not over there?
mcdeviltoast 5 years ago
"if you support the war, why are you not over there?"
Hey, spoon-fed sheep: I'm a disabled veteran. I'd be there in a heartbeat if I COULD. Fuck you.
bamapachyderm 5 years ago
I'm very sorry you're disabled. I took care of vets at the VA in Dayton as part of community service in middle school. I feel honored by your sacrifice.
Why the profanity?
mcdeviltoast 5 years ago
Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. Henry Kissinger, as quoted in Kiss the Boys Goodbye. read a book!
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