Tangerine Dream 1980 Musik pt2.

[marcellinux]

what's the song play?

[haikucigarette]

Anybody who thinks sequencers (especially analog) aren't legitimate instruments for rhythm are close-minded when it comes to what music can be. Even apart from programming the sequence, an analog sequencer needs to be handled by someone who knows what the hell they're doing. If you listen to Cherokee Lane, Franke has multiple sequencers playing and is constantly changing the time signatures, creating complex, ever-changing polyrhythm.

[cosmicrider287]

how cool is edgar froese?

[studiodreadful]

Gute Reportage und absoluter Kult, merci ...

[truebrunorc]

Seopil, you're right. In fact, both Schmoelling and Franke were classically trained musicians... with Franke being heavily influenced by modern composers, like Stockhausen or Cage. So they definitely weren't "bad" in terms of technical skills regarding playing itself.

If the problem is, they were using machines to play arpeggios or sequences... many composers use the orchestra, does it mean they are "bad", since they don't play all the intruments at once by themselves?

[pechocolombo2]

mmm.... no se

[mimichou53]

un très grand groupe que j'ai vu dans les années 70

[MINGAMETALO]

musica galactica para ciudadanos del cosmos

[MINGAMETALO]

musica galactica para ciudadanos del cosmos

[slaytalix]

hello

perhaps i can translate. report from gdr tv dramms.

he talked about organ & synths, programming, registration (Part 1) step sequencing and improvisation in music, harmony structures like free jazz, minor sounds

[Ultrasteve1969]

I whised I understood german : (

It sounded like a good interview

[TheBicLighter]

Thes guys are absolete, nobody needs this shit any more!

[lolokoperro]

I do ! i love this music...and now... you must be and old and fat 22 stone wanker who have lost the sence of taste....

[66agosto]

CERTAINLY YOU PREFER MICHAEL JACKSON

[d0dge25]

@TheBicLighter ... can't even handle his native language.

[alexnordh]

casiotones???? Modular Moogs and machines costing like a car, stupid!!!

[penisdickbutt]

I can't believe they can get all of these sounds out of a series of syncd casiotones and portasounds. it's incredible.

[reallamontagne]

Schmoelling with a barb !! Rock on !

Buy is 2008 album "Early beginnings" where you can listen to his early stuff with TD and solo stuff from 1979 to 1985. Interesting.

[mario22021]

Im loved Tangerine Dream analog hm...many many analog instrument ,sound is wonder,Edgar very good komposer el music.

[alien8ted]

Tangs rule! OK?

[stereoloov]

Analogue power!

[philonico]

excellent

[luzkit]

this is just a rehearsal.

but you find the original song on "pergamon, live at the palast der republik"

the song is called "quichotte part I & part II" from 1980

[Peridor]

What's these songs they are performing during the video? Can they be found on any official releases or is it just pure improvisation?

[KRAFTWERK2K6]

they are just a pure improvisation. Allthough they are using their sound presets they used for the Concert at the Palast der Republik concert.

[RainMainDein]

In my opinion awful music, great equipement, to much rock attitude, no good musical skills - important for the next generation,but i would never listen to this kind of electronic music today, i prefer more the sound of kraftwerk..mlg

[eselsdistel]

The only member of TD that could more or less keep at their level was Schmölling on keys, Franke is no specialist in keys and Froese is rather limited. You can't dismiss them for it, though, as far as technique should always be a vehicle to playing music, instead of playing music just to show off skills like Emerson or Wakeman... The merits of Tangerine Dream until the early 80s are playing music with synths that could only be played with synths, and made it sound fresh and personal.

[eselsdistel]

About all the argument with keybbwizard: I see one point in what he says. Objectively, TOTO are far better instrumentalists than TD, very much more skilled in their respective instruments. The problem is: nobody knows that TOTO's most brilliant work is as studio musicians at 80% of all californian rock records, specially in the 2nd halfth of the 70s.

[QuarrelBarrel]

super

[honigmonster]

Conrad Schnitzler was actually the one who pioneered the early days of electronic music and brought a certain bizarre element into the TD line-up before leaving to form Cluster in the late 60'. The last I heard Con was continuing in his solo career and still doing his "thing" in Berlin, a truly artistic person. It was said he actually provided Kraftwerk with their first EMS Sythni when they were starting out on the road to fame and fortune.

I know Con quite well..a true genius

[Syntpop]

Thanks for the video! Ohh..I wish I had so many synths!

[zeke1958]

These guys were years ahead of any other synth band and led the way. I've seen them in concert three times and they are just amazing especially considering they are just improvising most of the time.

[podinspace]

I love these clips from 1980, because it's rare to find footage of TD from this time. TD music for me has always been about the vibe, not twiddly solos. I like a lot of different music, some showcasing amazing musicianship. For me, TD was always about being taken on a journey. Not many other musicians can do this in quite the same way as TD, apart from Klaus Schulze, and sometimes JMJ. I would not have gotten into synths if it wasn't for these influences.

[alaala666]

TOTO ??????

mmm ... bon , à part de la musique de DUNE et "Pamela" ... il me semble un peu "far fetched" le comparer avec TD ....

[soepil]

Don't write TD off as bad musicians. You can play in many different ways : Sometimes by hitting a drum with a stick, sometimes strumming some strings, sometimes by playing a keyboard, sometimes by turning a knob or putting a cable in a socket. It may be that the playing-a-keyboard part by TD is quite simple, but I bet most trained classical pianist woudn't know how to get the right sound out of the modular Moog, like Franke did. Playing is just knowing how to interact with an instrument.

[ScotRanger1960]

Tangerine Dream ARE/WERE good musicians as far as I'm concerned. Some of the keyboard work on the album 'Cyclone', for example, is fantastic.

[soepil]

Sure, I didn't say they couldn't play :-)

Chris Franke is great on drums and keys, Froese a good guitarist and Schmoelling an exellent keyboard player. I just said that other parameters, apart from playing, are important for the kind of music that TD make.

[ScotRanger1960]

I see where you're coming pal. You're dead right.

[nebby6]

@soepil Very true. Playing a synth involves alot more than simply pressing down keys. I couldn't have said it better. :]

[RobMunro1]

@soepil Bloody true that

[ledjarde]

keybwizzard...live drummers can only create accurate rhythm because they listen to a click-track (created by a MACHINE) on the headphone. But even when you say machines cannot create rhythm...do you forget that the machine has to be programmed by a musician? On their own, machines cannot do anything, they need to be told what to do by someone who understands notation, timing, breaks, etc. TD's Chris Franke did this because he was a drummer.

[zantron]

tangerine dream are great... who the fuck is going to hate on them and cite fucking TOTO as superior? give me a break. toto.

[keybwizzard]

Every keyboarder of the legendary TOTO can play TD-stuff, even I can play it. It's okay if you like TD's thin synth-sound, but to compare TD to a super-talented live-rock/jazz-formation like TOTO is only sick, please visit the doctor.

[ooooohpancakes]

this guy and toto. wtfbbqasdlfjsdkf!

[ggh7664]

Toto? 

You're not in Kansas, Dorothy.

[armalyte]

w.t.f. is going on here?

what is this arguement about?!

[grimisstacks]

and ryhthm can come from anything a drum machine a clock a vocal phrase and so on

[BARTHOLEMEWVONMUTOID]

Schmoelling looks cool.. love the sound of his Oberheim 4 voice...

[armalyte]

superb!

it doesnt matter WHICH decade you check these kraut tonmeisters out...they ARE THE BEST.

even better is the huge amoutn of hardware, tuning probs, and of course Edgar froese's big hair and beard combo. No matter what happened to the music and the line-up ( i prefered the schmoelling period, but each to their own), the hair and beard or 'tache were always big.

[keybwizzard]

Can't follow, for this kind a music zero artistic skill are afforded, only a lot of stuff an spending much time with composing and testing and testing and testing again what the for-programmed music-machines can perform, every low talented keyboarder can play this stuff, but it affords a big deal of ) stubborn practising and that may be TD's art.

[indigae]

i'm in a pretty competent rock band, and we've got skill, but none of us could ever sit down and do what td did. so that's bullshit, man. i have a lot of respect for these guys (even if i can't dig their stuff after 1983), as well as klaus schulze, brian eno, autechre... all musicians who make patient electronic music. nimble fingers don't mean everything...

[pauljwells]

@keybwizzard - you are so very wrong about this band:

-They are all trained musicians (Franke is a drummer)

- They couldn't just buy kit like today. They designed and built most of the stuff they used here and were the first to do so.

- Their concerts were almost completely improvised, not pre-programmed

They went on stage with a bunch of wires and boxes, made music like had never been heard before and reduced people to tears in their thousands.

That, my friend, is art.

[keybwizzard]

I can't call these guys artists or musicians. They were able to rule over electronic equipement, but compared to ELP they are little kids only playing und pressing on shynti-buttons. ELP is true musicial genius, TD is not skilled like ELP, sorry, but that is the truth.

[virtuela04]

shut up u r screaming all over TD

[keybwizzard]

You should'nt threaten me. I am a musician (keys, drums, strings) and can play a lot of TD stuff, but nut of ELP or SUPERTRAMP (only a bit of it), cause they are genius and not me, what a pity. TD only has gone new ways with a big deal of synths and electronics in music-business, but in their skills they are far away from genius! Okay, they fullfilled it, like Columbus discovered America, but that's all!

[4darin5]

Instead of playing other people's work. Why don't you create your own. you so called "musician".

[keybwizzard]

Didn't know that you are informed wether I compose own music or not, are you regarding my life? Of course I've created own stuff and TD can't perform things like that. What a silly idea, that every composer must come out and get famous, that's not my thing and you can't force me!

[grimisstacks]

art is not a contest and it's not about being tech on an instument or even knowing anything about music it's about creating something

[4darin5]

Listen to this guy!

[keybwizzard]

Sorry, creating something is no art! This is a very unmature assertion! By this every shit would be art! Wanna listen to art in music? Listen to Emerson, or Jordan Rudess or Wakeman or TOTO and so on, that is genius LIVE performance unreached! Synth-electronic-music FOR ME sound thin, weak and ill, sorry, but that's it! Rhythm MUST come from a drummer and not a machine, I'm drummer and know what the stuff is about!

[Deviceroy]

you go on to say about synth music and using a drum machine, well not to kick a man whose down but most people regaurd Carl Palmer as a no talent hack and hes one of the greatest drummers alive, just because they use machines doesnt make them any less crucial to music evolution since they used modular synthesizers much like Emerson, but they didnt do the flashy stage stuff, sometimes hand over hand isnt needed when you jam

[keybwizzard]

Can't agree, cause outside there a lot of shit-stuff is created, you know that 2! Even if mans creations fills a million people with enthusiasm, that's not a proove for art! On the other side, who can define art? I can't objectively, I only can listen to music and my taste decides. FOR ME synth-music isn' art!

[lacasadelavida]

cual es el tema musical de cadenas de amargura la telenovela

[ohiogrinder]

why did it take me so long to discover this group?

[alquimistacl]

curious, same happens to me o_O

I came to Tangerine Dream, searching Michael Hoenig's work (a member of this band).

[d3p3ch3mod3]

This is really still ahead of its time. The future of electronic music is non-repetitive melodic arrangement. I'm waiting for melodic IDM, until then this is the best we get

[LuGoLoAsE]

Cuantos recuerdos auditivos corren por mis tímpanos

[markusmala]

Even if their is good moments here, sonically it's not their best explorations they made, listen to their albums like Tangram to poland, an intersesting period

of new electronic instrumental approaches with Johannes Schmoelling, a interesting video from that time though,

like the interview sadly only in german, dealing with which state of mind the listeners could join in their particular style who became then more melodical than before, but not at the pleasure for all somehow

[zenmachinefilms]

My German isn't very good, but I think what they are saying is this:

"Our music is better than any electronic music you're going to hear twenty years from now. And even though it's inevitable that we'll go our separate ways, this version of TD, us three, is the best that we'll ever be."

Does anyone hear anything different? Please post. :-)

[Toxiferin]

You got the translation really wrong. They are talking mainly about music improvisation, the differences and similarities between their music and free jazz music and how the listener must actively participate to understand the music. It seem to me that you have made up your translation completely and I thin that TD would never say something arrogant like you said in your translation.

[zenmachinefilms]

Oy! My comment was a JOKE! Hence the smiley face at the end of my comment. :-)

Of course they wouldn't say anything so arrogant. I was reflecting the thoughts of most fans on here who love the FFS trio of TD.

Cheers.

[virtuela04]

u really does not understand what they said. just learn german or use online translator.

[ooooohpancakes]

'twas a joke.

[NarcissistsDie]

Froese, Franke & Schmoelling.

That was the definitive Tangerine Dream. An absolute golden period and a benchmark for all other electronic artists.

[scanner7man]

i AGREE

[victorhernandez1]

TD still the best. Todays "artists" only repeat don't create. TD still the best today!

[pianist007]

I don't get it ... the camera work is really pointless and doesn't correspont to what we are hearing .

[joangape]

Una banda que en la decada de los setenta y ochenta fue todo un referente en la música electrónica.

[elpollonmex1]

the fathers of electronic musick!!!!!!!!!!

[endlessender]

yeah this is great - thx - finally we can watch all these long lost videos of TD.

[roderz01]

AHaa Johannes is in part 2 ,nice Beard. great.

[Betosiris]

Excelente Grupo (Video Musical)

[konked]

Just kidding...I wonder how many musicians got scared away to advertisement WANTED A new member for TD, must own enough equipment to fill at least one third of '

rehearsal room :)

[PoPoNellie]

They have always had alot of equipment but they also sell off their older/obsolete equipments too. They just started doing some auctions on their personal site. A bit of trivia....One of Thomas Dolby's first sequencers was a unit he bought from Tangerine Dream.

[charlot362]

WOW !!! cté courant cé la primière foie que je les vois parler !

[madmomentsgo]

does anyone have this full german documentary. i dont understand any of this but still good to watch.

[madmomentsgo]

schmoelling's solo work is great

[FlashFace]

Fantastico!

[madmomentsgo]

thank's to you tube. i can get to watch td video's.

[glennwinstanley]

Schmoelling had just joined the band. And the DDR concert( which there were two), were his first. The concert was recorded by East german radio DT64.

[glennwinstanley]

This is incredible. Prior to the DDR concert!!!

[donniegarrison]

Was Schmoelling in the band in 80?? Musta been right after he joined. He maybe talking about that in the interview.

[Csuszpajsz]

it sounds like some parts of quichotte...

[orangefunk]

Was this (re)broadcast recently on German TV?

[24db]

Don't think so