Seat position has nothing to do with PIC. You also don't need to be CFI to teach someone how to take off, fly, or land an airplane. To legally log the flight time and landings you must have your cert or be with a CFI. I just hope that whoever the 12 year old is was touched by the aviation bug because of this experience. Same sort of thing happened to me when I was his age and I have been flying ever since.
@holynator I fully accept with mtrain.... I was 14 when I get some money on weekend cruise flights with an R26U Training glider:) ...and I'm still alive and learning for pilot in an bigger category of aircrafts
@TheFsReview Yeah. Bush flying is the best. The 206 is a wonderful airplane. My Dad owned/flew 180s and 185s on Floats in the warm months and Skis in the winter. Good times.
@rewindablender you can as long as theres an licenced pilot with you, but you cant get a student pilot certificate until your 16 (except for glider or balloon which is 14), to get a sport, recreational, or private you have to be 17, you have to be 18 to get a commercial, but i dont know what the age requirement for ATP (Airline Transport Pilot) is...
you lucky kid :) once I am 18 I will go to school for my pilots license (if I have a job that will pay me enough), because as of now my parents wont let me because I dont have the money.
dam!!! u got tons of room!!!!! at our lake its so small you can tell if someone has a moustash from the other side and people land their planes in it all the time!!!
the PIC is usually left seat, well in the cessna.. in this case is the kid. BUT what you must know is this, in some Instructional Flight Training sessions...so when you want to have a little go at what flying is about..the instructor will often seat the inexperienced person in the PIC seat. Its not uncommon for them to do that. Even though the inexperienced person is in the PIC seat..the instructor still has full control of the plane on his side,but instructor takes majority control thru flight
according to fars Pic has nothing to do with seating. its an agreement between the two pilots OR the pilot that is rated prorperly become PIC. you cannot become PIC if not rated for type no matter where you sit.
@amediastintas I guess, well a friend of mine is a Flight Instructor, hes just like yeh we often seat someone new in the left seat which is usually the PIC seat, but yeh I guess I agree with you too on both pilots agreeing and the person who is qualified to fly is the PIC anyways :) so yeh valid point..
yeah. according to Federal aviation regulations thats the rule now Insurance thats a whole different deal. those guys make their own rules haha! but yeah if your the only rated pilot or you are in agreement no prob. hehe.
You always put an actual student in the left seat. Learning to fly from the right is usually something you have to learn when you become an instructor. Since you have full control from both seats it really doesn't make any difference.
Well everytime I go fly I sit left seat. I've got quite a few hours under my belt and they have all been in the left seat. I fly 172s and 152s and I'm almost 15 so I don't have my licences yet, Although I have already done my landings and takeoffs by myself... the instructor just lets go and i'm in control for the duration of the flight. I think it mainly depends on the instructor.
Wait the kid didnt land it to the point of full control..yeh he had a little control for descending but the moment they were touching down the instructor took over haha. Must have been exciting anyways though
In fact, student pilot isn't even required to have renter's insurance until SOLO where it's then highly recommended - because that's the only time he's PIC.
Incorrect. On your insurance policy you will have listed "named pilots" and open pilots. The open pilots will have a minimum hour requirement.
Insurance companies don't really care about PIC they refer to "pilot flying". I.e. they want to know how is on the controls, they couldn't care less about the FAA's notion of PIC.
Well I really don't know for sure but not to my knowledge. If he's student solo he's PIC but otherwise until he's got his certificate all dual is instructor as PIC. What about his first hour - he's left seat. Is he PIC then? No
My understanding of FAR 61 is that the seat has nothing to do with it. When under dual training for a category/class (ASEL here), the ultimate PIC authority rests with the INSTRUCTOR. Exception to the rule is for the required solo flights, when the student is alone in the a/c and has the proper endorsements signed off. Logging PIC time is similar.
Please note I am no instructor, only a Pvt License. nsutrumpeter below says differently.
@DedmonStudios My comment a year ago was in reference to someone claiming to be CFI making an wrong statement regarding legalities and who's PIC, Regarding seat - left or right doesn't automatically make one PIC. Anyway despite a cool experience for the kid, he's not landing the plane. Right seat has throttle, flaps, etc and kid even takes hands off yoke for short final - he's not landing. Anyway no water landings for me but I'd guess they can be quite unforgiving if done poorly. Some day..
Duh..its a Cessna not sensna...and he is in the left seat, and would be the pilot, the guy in the right is most likley the instructor and considered the "pilot in command"
Actually the PIC is not the instructor, it is the student believe it of not. I am a CFI-certified flight instructor-and the FAR states that the student or the occupent in the left seat is the PIC.
So your telling me all those years ago on my intro flight, no experience outside of FS2004 and no medical, I was PIC? Why didn't I start getting PIC time until I started flying solo?
FAR 61.51(e) says when you can log PIC. A rated (private, rec, commercial) pilot can log PIC when he is sole manipulator of the controls. A student pilot can log PIC when he is solo only.
You HAVE TO BE JOKING? You want us to believe you are a CFI yet you believe that a non-rated student can serve as PIC? Please, be honest here. Seat position? Please, the FAA doesn't care about seats.
I started flying with my dad at age 8.
He started me flying with instructor at age 10.
I flew Talorcraft during majority of training. Then switched over to Cessna 150 to complete my solo.
So, majority of my flight training was in fabric covered airplanes, tail dragers.
Now I am 56. So, that was in 1965.
Duel instruction was $ 7.50 per hour avg.
michaelpilot1000 4 months ago
"That was cool! Next time can we do it with a float plane?"
winterka100 6 months ago 6
So you have to be 16 to be allowed to drive, 21 to be allowed to drink, but apparently only 12 to be allowed to fly an airplane.
Z75917203views 6 months ago
@Z75917203views I know an 8 year old who flew Piper Warriors.
AirCanada04 5 months ago
@Z75917203views have you ever heard of a 12 year old stealing a car
wtfsincerlyjapan 1 month ago
@wtfsincerlyjapan probably
wtfsincerlyjapan 1 month ago
CHANGE THE VIDEO TITLE, THE KID DIDN'T "TRY" TO LAND, THE INSTRUCTOR CLEARLY HAD CONTROLS, STOP JUST TRYING TO GET MORE VIEWS
IIproductionsII 6 months ago
how much that cessna cost?
TheKerenabiezz 6 months ago
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@TheKerenabiezz
If you have to ask. You can't afford one.
michaelpilot1000 4 months ago
just flew my first yesterday I'm 13
TensionAirsoft 8 months ago
@TensionAirsoft Congrats!!!
highfly84 7 months ago
"That was cool". Yes it was.
kolbpilot 8 months ago
im 12 and on saturday im gonna help pilot a cessna 182, do you have any tips
5spottedfire5 8 months ago
@5spottedfire5 Go to a groundschool, get some flying time in M&M with an instructor and thoroughly read and understand the POH. Minimum.
toutatis12 7 months ago
@5spottedfire5, yeah, don't because you are a child and aren't allowed to do that.
Z75917203views 6 months ago
Seat position has nothing to do with PIC. You also don't need to be CFI to teach someone how to take off, fly, or land an airplane. To legally log the flight time and landings you must have your cert or be with a CFI. I just hope that whoever the 12 year old is was touched by the aviation bug because of this experience. Same sort of thing happened to me when I was his age and I have been flying ever since.
TaxfreeSVT 9 months ago
The kid is not PIC! The pilot is a CFI so he allowed him to sit in the left seat. From the first time I flew till I soloed I was in the left seat.
keithacoustic86 9 months ago
Nice video :)
Rehanamjad123 9 months ago
Wow, that looked like quite rough (not that I'd be able to do any better, haha). What a lucky kid...
rwallaby89 9 months ago
doesn't the regs say that you need to be at least 14 (or 15, can't remember)
minimusmax 9 months ago
@minimusmax No, the regs only say that a student can not solo till the age of 16. Earn Private Pilot License at 17. Commercial at 18 and ATP at 23.
rev4life03 9 months ago
rough
samthelittleman1 11 months ago
Liar Liar Pants on Fire. What a way to bring up a kid. Teach him to lie instead of to fly
sinfuldavy0 11 months ago
i tried landing my uncle's cessna grand caravan when i was 10, i broke the nose wheel! LOL
mrgolfingsim1 11 months ago
we have a 172xp with a pimped out engine i am 13 and i do shit mnore challenging than that everyday
wackywaldo100 1 year ago
@holynator I fully accept with mtrain.... I was 14 when I get some money on weekend cruise flights with an R26U Training glider:) ...and I'm still alive and learning for pilot in an bigger category of aircrafts
flighthun 1 year ago
A young aviator in the making! Looks like he enjoyed it!
Just a small amount of stick time is enough to get the ball rolling!
ChrizRockster 1 year ago 2
I felt that >.<
sonicfan1996 1 year ago
I never knew planes with wheels can land on water
vfrl7r 1 year ago
is he 12 in the head ?
kyle789XBL 1 year ago
im jeleous... why cant i fly just because i live in a remote area and my parents dont own a plane dosnt mean i shouldnt have this privelage :(
aAIRCANADA806 1 year ago
@aAIRCANADA806 That's what sucks about life.
videoclipits 1 year ago
This is cool. Bet the kid won't forget this. This was taken in 2007. Any chance he's got a pilot license or Sports Pilots License?
shakenama 1 year ago
VERY nice. I would like to try for my SES. I am doing good to land on a non-moving surface as it stands :-) Very nice -- both of you!
bigjimbob3737 1 year ago
sweet, I have a video of me landing for the first time. On land though! I've posted it as a video response.
Lewy1997 1 year ago
lol "Don't hit a boat!" great encouragement!!
NIGHTEHAWK 1 year ago
after i get my pilots license that is what im going for
float planes are awesome!
hopefully i will be able to make ATP
TheFsReview 1 year ago
@TheFsReview Yeah. Bush flying is the best. The 206 is a wonderful airplane. My Dad owned/flew 180s and 185s on Floats in the warm months and Skis in the winter. Good times.
juicr500 1 year ago
you can fly a plane at 12 years old? How?
rewindablender 1 year ago
@rewindablender As long as their is with a pilot with you it doesn't really matter... But you can't fly solo unless you have your licence..
guitarmaster127 1 year ago
@rewindablender you can as long as theres an licenced pilot with you, but you cant get a student pilot certificate until your 16 (except for glider or balloon which is 14), to get a sport, recreational, or private you have to be 17, you have to be 18 to get a commercial, but i dont know what the age requirement for ATP (Airline Transport Pilot) is...
kdog0011 1 year ago
@kdog0011
23 i believe. check the AIM (aimens information manual)
pt17al43 1 year ago
U guys are stupid lol at 0:35 he let's go of the controls and his Flight instructor was the one who made the landing or touch and go
FsimulatorX 1 year ago
Guys any kid who has Microsoft Flight simulator and have an expirance can do this but not many people can do water landings
FsimulatorX 1 year ago
you lucky kid :) once I am 18 I will go to school for my pilots license (if I have a job that will pay me enough), because as of now my parents wont let me because I dont have the money.
megamindstorm101 1 year ago
thats pretty darn cool
cooldudewithglasses 1 year ago
dam!!! u got tons of room!!!!! at our lake its so small you can tell if someone has a moustash from the other side and people land their planes in it all the time!!!
mifan93 1 year ago
lucky u
piratesonline1 1 year ago
At 0:35 kid lets go of the controls.
TheRandification 1 year ago
Is that a water plane?
syafiqdell 2 years ago
I flew my first plane at age 12, im 54 now.
AirCanada04 2 years ago 37
@AirCanada04 Says ur 28 on ur channel ????
antho836 1 year ago
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TheSoccerGoalkeeper 1 year ago
@AirCanada04 flew mine at 14
dfx961 1 year ago
the PIC is usually left seat, well in the cessna.. in this case is the kid. BUT what you must know is this, in some Instructional Flight Training sessions...so when you want to have a little go at what flying is about..the instructor will often seat the inexperienced person in the PIC seat. Its not uncommon for them to do that. Even though the inexperienced person is in the PIC seat..the instructor still has full control of the plane on his side,but instructor takes majority control thru flight
MetalJaXtA666 2 years ago
according to fars Pic has nothing to do with seating. its an agreement between the two pilots OR the pilot that is rated prorperly become PIC. you cannot become PIC if not rated for type no matter where you sit.
amediastintas 2 years ago 2
@amediastintas I guess, well a friend of mine is a Flight Instructor, hes just like yeh we often seat someone new in the left seat which is usually the PIC seat, but yeh I guess I agree with you too on both pilots agreeing and the person who is qualified to fly is the PIC anyways :) so yeh valid point..
MetalJaXtA666 2 years ago
yeah. according to Federal aviation regulations thats the rule now Insurance thats a whole different deal. those guys make their own rules haha! but yeah if your the only rated pilot or you are in agreement no prob. hehe.
amediastintas 2 years ago
You always put an actual student in the left seat. Learning to fly from the right is usually something you have to learn when you become an instructor. Since you have full control from both seats it really doesn't make any difference.
-Robert, CFII
RobertGary1 1 year ago
@MetalJaXtA666
Well everytime I go fly I sit left seat. I've got quite a few hours under my belt and they have all been in the left seat. I fly 172s and 152s and I'm almost 15 so I don't have my licences yet, Although I have already done my landings and takeoffs by myself... the instructor just lets go and i'm in control for the duration of the flight. I think it mainly depends on the instructor.
Oliver
oliverman22 1 year ago
Wait the kid didnt land it to the point of full control..yeh he had a little control for descending but the moment they were touching down the instructor took over haha. Must have been exciting anyways though
MetalJaXtA666 2 years ago
his hands aren't even on the control wheel.
lvcyberpimpin 2 years ago
great work dude.
jliossatos 2 years ago
In fact, student pilot isn't even required to have renter's insurance until SOLO where it's then highly recommended - because that's the only time he's PIC.
derekec 2 years ago
Incorrect. On your insurance policy you will have listed "named pilots" and open pilots. The open pilots will have a minimum hour requirement.
Insurance companies don't really care about PIC they refer to "pilot flying". I.e. they want to know how is on the controls, they couldn't care less about the FAA's notion of PIC.
RobertGary1 2 years ago
Well I really don't know for sure but not to my knowledge. If he's student solo he's PIC but otherwise until he's got his certificate all dual is instructor as PIC. What about his first hour - he's left seat. Is he PIC then? No
derekec 2 years ago 2
Actually, this was a scenic flight we chartered and the pilot was nice enough to let my son take the controls from time to time.
STRYKARLITE 2 years ago 6
yea but ur son didnt LAND the plane
Blink182009 2 years ago 2
@STRYKARLITE
Nice guy to do that...I bet it was quite a thrill for the boy.
Steez51 9 months ago
My understanding of FAR 61 is that the seat has nothing to do with it. When under dual training for a category/class (ASEL here), the ultimate PIC authority rests with the INSTRUCTOR. Exception to the rule is for the required solo flights, when the student is alone in the a/c and has the proper endorsements signed off. Logging PIC time is similar.
Please note I am no instructor, only a Pvt License. nsutrumpeter below says differently.
aesguerra15 2 years ago
@derekec i flew a plane once when i was 13
(and did very well too)
though i landed the plane on a runway, which is pretty challenging.
water is easier, but for being a year younger, this kid did an amazing job!
DedmonStudios 1 year ago
@DedmonStudios My comment a year ago was in reference to someone claiming to be CFI making an wrong statement regarding legalities and who's PIC, Regarding seat - left or right doesn't automatically make one PIC. Anyway despite a cool experience for the kid, he's not landing the plane. Right seat has throttle, flaps, etc and kid even takes hands off yoke for short final - he's not landing. Anyway no water landings for me but I'd guess they can be quite unforgiving if done poorly. Some day..
derekec 1 year ago
@derekec If he does not have his pilots license, then he can only log "dual". He can only log PIC when he is solo or on his check-ride.
tehkick 8 months ago
At which age are already you allowed to steer an aeroplane in the United States?
ichmalealsobinich 2 years ago
Any age, you must have a pilot accompany you until 16, At 17 you can get your PPL license and take passengers.
SkiAv8or 2 years ago 2
no age limit, just skill limit
wemakefunofmovies 2 years ago
there is no minim age requirement
FireFighterrock24 2 years ago
Great orientation, right-seater! Lil' guy will never forget.
Perfect landing, unbeknownst to non-seaplane types lurking. But, that's okay: I wouldn't accurately describe a spacewalk, either :-]
andyshangar 2 years ago
ik lol
jbomber44 2 years ago
The landing was going fine until the old guy took over!
altstiff 2 years ago 3
get the barf bag ready... oh wait its not an airline
puffpet 2 years ago
That was a hard ass landing! jesus, seemed to fast on approach.
eclipse245 2 years ago
Wow. Goooooooooood Job !!!!
planetaeskoria1 2 years ago
High five little man you rock
pmklopper 2 years ago
the kid didnt even land
boeing0417 2 years ago
respect to the little guy :)
stonerscolony 3 years ago
respect him because he didn't land the plane? ya sure ok
shadddey5 2 years ago
Caps is above shift.
homerVSburns 3 years ago
rule #1 of flying... one hand on the yoke, not two! :)
teedot 3 years ago
GETER DONE
curtisdonthurtus 3 years ago
The kid bailed...
JetlinerXPilotXFSX 3 years ago
the kid didnt even land.
mtrain999 3 years ago 26
he did with his magical powers ;)
CamDaMan2011 2 years ago
@mtrain999 he's 12 little young to risk fucking up and dieing.
holyinator 1 year ago
@holyinator not really i was 12 when i started flying and i was landing on runways....
mtrain999 1 year ago
@mtrain999 experienced old guy knew it was rough, so he taken control of the aircraft.
jgwynne87 9 months ago
@mtrain999 read description! it says tries!
LufthansaA343 8 months ago
@LufthansaA343 thats not what it was titled 2 years ago
mtrain999 8 months ago
@mtrain999 oh i am sorry.
LufthansaA343 8 months ago
that kid shoulnt be a pilot
sk8forlife99 3 years ago 2
the kid is so lucky
cutmylifedotcom 3 years ago
Is this Lake Coeur d'Alene?
kpeevairnl 3 years ago
Hahaha I like it when he takes his little hands off the controls. Not ready to land yet.
Been there, done that.
yagwyag 4 years ago 6
Duh..its a Cessna not sensna...and he is in the left seat, and would be the pilot, the guy in the right is most likley the instructor and considered the "pilot in command"
woodank9 4 years ago
Actually the PIC is not the instructor, it is the student believe it of not. I am a CFI-certified flight instructor-and the FAR states that the student or the occupent in the left seat is the PIC.
nsutrumpeter 2 years ago
Where did you accomplish your ratings?
airshowproductions 2 years ago
PIC not the instructor,? are you kidding? yeh must be the kid, who's not even old enough fly solo
check your facts.
zzzz
bounceferret 2 years ago
So your telling me all those years ago on my intro flight, no experience outside of FS2004 and no medical, I was PIC? Why didn't I start getting PIC time until I started flying solo?
masterchiefgtx 2 years ago
FAR 61.51(e) says when you can log PIC. A rated (private, rec, commercial) pilot can log PIC when he is sole manipulator of the controls. A student pilot can log PIC when he is solo only.
-Robert, CFII
RobertGary1 2 years ago
I know this. My comment was pure sarcasm.
masterchiefgtx 2 years ago
You HAVE TO BE JOKING? You want us to believe you are a CFI yet you believe that a non-rated student can serve as PIC? Please, be honest here. Seat position? Please, the FAA doesn't care about seats.
-Robert, CFII
RobertGary1 2 years ago 3
he's the co-pilot! duh!!!
fartypants 4 years ago
oh la la.
how smart.
duuhhh. lol
armanys2003 3 years ago