why is it that is always the stupid radicalized western morons the ones who can not possibly stop yapping about their views and ideas as if the rest of the world cared..... DON'T WANNA HAVE CHILDREN??? THEN DON'T HAVE IT, NO ONE WILL GIVE A CRAP!
Hey, get off it - nobody is holding a gun to your head. Also, do you think anyone you know really gives a fuck whether or not you have a baby. Further, women are as keen on abortion as they are on childbirth - so they can't feel that much pressurised, can they?
On the other hand, you are very pretty. So I guess you win the argument.
Also do you think you have to be one hell of an optimist to have kids? Not to confuse optimism with idealism, which i think is very close related to cynicism, because the goals are set so high its hard to achieve them (on the short run) which might cause frustration (and dark humor hehe). I think you are an idealist and i think i am too. I definiately dont feel to optimistic most of the time.
Do you think being the 'strange one, no matter where you go' is a good thing? I do think so, because i find those 'strange' people to be 100 times more interesting then the 'normal' people. However in my case i often find myself observing more then participating in my surroundings. What other people do without questioning i question. Its exhausting but also very interesing.
@tsayad1986 I won't say that I have a problem with being the strange one. It can be tiresome at times but I do rather prefer it over being another copy. And yes, I find such persons way more interesting, too ;)
Voluntary human extinction.. that's silly. Sure the biosphere would balance in different ways, but it would be a pretty boring place with no intelligent creatures with high functioning brains.
@CMO999 The idea of extinction is just setting the bar high. Perfect would be to go from 7 billion people to something like 3 billion. Less people means better quality life for every individual (but it has to be green). More people means inflation of what 1 human life means and eventually shortage of resources, wars, femine. It is already happening in some third world countries unfortunately.
@tsayad1986 so basically saying you would rather have 4 billion not be on this earth instead of having 4 million dollars put on a building a ship to carry 4000 people to mars to mine resources,biuld a colony,and build a civilization.Don't you feel stupid
@BandoilerrMiDGeT750 Actually i dont. What will happen if we populate mars? Sure earth is overpopulated by then, lets breed on another planet. That would just buy us time. And also, nobody is going to build a ship unless there is someway to make profit. I dont think more people is a good thing, we have 7 billion already. I think it will all give us more breathing space (literally?) if there were fewer of us. I dont mean killing them, but voluntarily choosing not to procreate
oh my goodness CaraDanaellea oh my goodness you just gotta check out this book I seen on online amazon it's called the GREAT SPIRIT HORSE Written by Linda little Wolf
Cara, how can your mother try to force you if Skall had a vasectomy? Does she imply you have to leave your soulmate to do something you obviously (and with many good reasons) dont want to do??
@tsayad1986 First of all, how difficult do you think was it to get her to stop pestering us all day long with how irresponsible and bad a decision Skall's vasectomy was. We more or less had to convince her that it is reversible (which it by now of course is not). But she really made a lot of pressure, at one point she even said that I am selfish. I only have to give birth to it after that she would do everything... I felt like a breeding cow...
@CaraDanaellea How did the rest of your environment reacted? Like his parents? and your friends? Im thinking of having a vasectomy this year but i have the support of my parents. To sum it up they basically said this: 'If that is what you want we support it, and knowing you it might be the best decision for you'. It did not come as a surprise for them so i didnt feel the pressure you felt back then..
@tsayad1986 My father was not happy with the decision because he would like to have grandchildren but since he loves me he wants me to be happy and he knows that I really don't want children. Skall's parents only shrugged and said: Well, no grandkids then, it's too bad a world anyway to get them into.
The one friend I had a that time only said: It's your decision.
I can only say to you: Go for it! Skall and I have said often that it was one of the best things we ever did :)
@CaraDanaellea Thanks again for your supportive words! Im not doubting my decision but with the majority of my surroundings having a different opinion i can feel like the 'strange one' at times. The only childfree people i've met so far are online (unfortunately). But it's good to know like-minded people are out there!
@tsayad1986 I'm the strange one no matter where I go, you get used to it ;)
It's your decision and I believe it is a good decision. If you don't feel the emotional urge to have children then there is no rational reason to get them.
@CaraDanaellea Not only do i not feel that maternal urge, i also am very keen on my freedom and im not the right kind of personality to be forced into the 'civil lifestyle' (im a loner). I would go mad if i dont have my solitude, because it gives me time to 'recharge'. I also have problems with what the humans do with the planet, the polution, overpopulation, overconsumption it bothers me. I am thinking of doing some writing on the childfree subject but thats just plans for now ;)
@leostomicek My mother is trying hard and if I would be more influenced by all the comments of that is strange/unusual or the constant not getting taking seriously and being told: You surely will want children later, than yes, a lot of people are pressuring to have children.
@CaraDanaellea I hate it when people say 'ow, but you'll change your mind, you are only 25. When i was your age.. blabla'. I get the feeling they are not taking me seriously and secondly even if they where my age again we still would be 2 total different persons with different opinions/ backgrounds etc. When a 16 year old girl accidently gets pregnant nobody tells her 'ow but maybe you are to young, here's an abortion'. Sometimes people are like a bunch of sheep really...
ANIMISM is a religion check out animism and history online it just been covered up by christianity it has many beliefs but it's a religion would you support them if it were a heirarchy Animism is more of a freedom religion I love animism aren't you proud of being an animist
@ILoveMJ5820 It all hinges on how you define religion. Animism has been a part of human spirituality long before Christianity, it just does not fulfill my definition of religion in the sense that it lacks "holy rules/dogmas" and an established priesthood. In my eyes that makes it more desirable than "organized religion".
I am proud that I had the courage to go on a quest to find my spirituality but being proud simply because I believe something, no, there is no reason for that.
ANIMISM is a religion not a belief although it is to e a belief because that is what gospel has told told them but Animism is a religion but let me make this clear cause I don't wanna put words into your mouth you mean that if it were a religion cult then you would prefer it
@ILoveMJ5820 Animism is not a religion but a system of beliefs. Religions have a strict hierarchical structure and most often say that only priests can have direct contact with the god(s). A belief system can become a religion when it becomes institutionalized.
To me that is why I prefer cults which in my positive definition is nothing more than a group of practitioners supporting each other. When this group starts constructing a hierarchy I become vary.
@ILoveMJ5820 Well, defined as vague as that I would say I am definitely in favor of it. You could put animism into the category then. If I do assume that it is in contrast to religion than I might say that I prefer it but only if we are not talking about cults in the sense of secluded and forced upon the cultists.
I think that personal spirituality is better than any kind of organized belief system, but I do understand that many people feel that spirituality is something group based.
@ILoveMJ5820 I looked into the english parts of Horse Encyclopedia I could find and I does sadly not surprise me. All kinds of animals have been (mis)used most cruelly throughout history and into the present day. It is good when people make such documentaries to show people what can be done.
Life in a war is not a life worth living so to save my loved ones I would find other means than a war.
hi caradanaellea I understand your an ANIMIST I'm an animist to do you know who THE SPIRIT HORSE is and what are your thoughts on guns and knives (needed) and a (revolutionary) war
@ILoveMJ5820 Nice to meet another animist. I do not know who the spirit horse is, none of my spirit guides is of the horse tribe so my knowledge in this direction is limited.
My thoughts on guns and knives can probably best be glimpsed in the various cutting and shooting videos over at my partners channel. I'm a weapon nut :)
Yet war is absolutely abominable, war is about more than fighting and it is often the intend and consequences that are even more shattering than the violence alone.
@1StoryImageFigure1 Maybe you should learn how to spell properly, and take a few grammar classes before trying to appear intellectually superior. And thank God you're childfree, otherwise we'd have more unnecessary dumbasses like you running around with gaping diarrhea mouths.
I sure hope the childfree trend continues. If the scare mongers worst case scenario of human extinction really does become a threat, I honestly couldn't care less. After all, the human race is responsible for wiping out so many other species. I think we're overdue for a taste of our own medicine.
@girlvsgravity Dumbass. Nature is responsable for the vast majority of extinctions. Check out the Cambrian–Ordovician extinction event. We humans can never surpass that. (Humans came from nature. Honestly, stupidity is so popular on Youtube.)
By the way. You are human so I suggust you take your medicine and remove yourself from this world.
As for the video, I am glad you are not having children. Your idiocy should not be passed on.
@1StoryImageFigure1 Only because humans are not responsible for every extinction doesn't mean that there isn't a link at all. Humankind has the best record of extinction when it comes to species in contact with each other. And because because humans are natural, either everything or nothing is, doesn't mean that humans have a different influence on nature than other species have.
My idiocy is defined by humanitarian values and a high IQ... yeah, rescue the world from open-minded people...
@CaraDanaellea Humanitarian values? Thats a good one. Extinction of humans, which is what the VHEM is all about, is not humanitarian nor shows that a person has a high i.q. Your reply just proves my point.
Human overpopulation is a myth and you boughr giht into just like so many others. Humans causing mass extinction of other species still does not compare to other extinction events.
As for humans causing extinction, so what. Extinctions has been happening all the time. Survival of the fittest
@1StoryImageFigure1 Since VHEM is not about killing but simply taking an informed decision to abstain from giving birth it has the greater good in focus and is thereby very humanitarian. Intelligence is not about having the best life for yourself on the cost of others but about learning to life together in a way that profits everybody.
Extinctions brought on by humans are different from extinctions due to other causes because there were evolutionary possibilities to adapt to the challenge.
@CaraDanaellea Greater good and humanitarianism my ass. Intentionally causing ones own species to become extinct is neither humanitarian nor for the greater good. It is stupidity and misanthropy.
Extinctions brought about by humans are not different. Humans are animals and are a part of nature like everything other animal. Animals that become extinct due to humanity's actions simply failed the primary goal of all species; survival. Humans have no obligation to anything but their own species.
@1StoryImageFigure1 Humans have no obligation whatsoever to their own species. Be honest, you don't give a shit about the species, just about your own good.
@CaraDanaellea I am being honest; humans owe other animals nothing and no obligation. Humans only loyalty is to their own species. If I did not give a shit about my own kind then I would not care about myself because I am human.
If humans had no obligation to their own species, neither you nor I would be here having this conversation on the internet.
@1StoryImageFigure1 Humans don't owe their species anything. To owe something to anybody or anything that never did anything specifically for me is a misunderstanding of the word. I don't owe anything to humanity, the country I randomly was born, the continent I live in.
I don't owe nature something, but I do respect live in balance and when a species takes more of the resources than the planet can provide than the balance is disturbed and this species has to be regulated.
@CaraDanaellea You are begining to make me laugh, now. You do not owe the species that brought you into existence? Or built the computer you use? Or made the food you eat? Or the house you live in? The job you work at? The people who watch your videos on Youtube? The people who made Youtube? Your friends? Etc.
The ide that you do not own other humans anything is a sign of delusion, ignorance, and arrogance. You are the one who is being selfish, not me. This conversation is over.
We do not choose to be born therefore we dont owe anyone anything (we didnt make a choice, our parents did). Secondly i believe there are currently more then enough people in the world. Reproduction is actually one big EGOTRIP. There is nothing altruistic about it AT ALL.
@tsayad1986 Taking care of a child is very altruistic. The sacrifices made in order for that child to be raised in oder to grow up and become a productive member of society are vast. Medical bills, education, food, safe environment, etc for a child. It is not an ego trip. Typical irrationality I have come to suspect from this comment section.
@1StoryImageFigure1 I dont see it as altruistic. You made a (selfish) decision to make kids, then you have to face the consequences. Action - reaction. Most people take care of their kids in the illusion that either 'its all worth it' (selfish because it fullfills a 'need') or that those kids will later repay themself back or even take care of the parents (again - selfish motive). It seems parenthood (and familylife) is way overated in our society.
Dude, if we weren't being born as you suggested, then we wouldn't know it now would we? So no problem at all. And no need to feel the need to trap more souls into mortal bodies because you somehow 'owe them a life'. Fuck that, they wont mind because they wont know.
@tsayad1986 I like how everything else was ignored. And since you and others have been born you do know and you do owe other people. Keep on living in your dream world. I am no longer going to convince people like you on how selfish they are.
Not being born is irrelevent. The fact is that you are alive becuase of othr humans.
Creating more people (or: trapping souls in mortal bodies who will most likely feel pain and suffering later on in their yet-to-be-created lives) is selfish. The choice to breed is as selfish as the choice not to breed so please dont bring selfishness into the discussion because you wont gain anything with that. People dont make babies because of the baby but because THEY want a child real bad. Sometimes those people even knowingly carry on diseases.
@1StoryImageFigure1 Also the fact that im alive because of other humans still doesnt mean i have an obligation to do the same. Seriously we have 7 billion people on earth, obligation? you must be joking man. If ever, people should be happy there are more and more people choosing to stay childfree. It means one less person for your onborn son/daughter to compete with on the job market.
@tsayad1986 I am well aware that the fertility and birthrates are dropping which merely shows that the diea that humans are just reproducing like crazy is wrong. The reason why their are so many people are on Earth because of better medication and living contitions throughout alot of the world. People can be childless or childfree if they want to be, their bodies their lives. VHEM is irrational and wrong. I cheked there website, there premise ofless people, more resources.is wrong:.
@tsayad1986 Furtherore, less people means more jobs is bullshit. Capitalism is the primary economic system in the world and the capitalist do not give a shit about hiring more workers. They want as few workers under their control because more workers means less profits. Human population is irrelevent under capitalism
The fact that you ignore everything other humans have done for you is a sign of irrationali selfishness and not alruism. Continue to delue yourself I will not stop you.
@1StoryImageFigure1 I never said im altruistic. Im at least as selfish as all the breeders out there. I contribute to society through the work i do. I pay taxes for something i will never makes use of...
I have no intention at all to pass my genes on or something like that. I like my freedom and i dont want to give up all that just to become an extention of someone else's live.
@tsayad1986 Especially thopse evil breeders who made you exist. Damn them! If you do not like your existence, you can always opt out of it.
Pay taxes for things you never make use of? Like roads? Electricity? Schools? Medicare? etc. Who am I kinding, I might as well be having a conversation with a wall.
@1StoryImageFigure1 I never said anything about being evil. Just about selfishness. Thats something completely different. Neither did i say i hate my excistence. The taxes i was talking about are all kids related ofcourse. The benefits parents have must come from somewhere. Now i dont mind that, also i dont mind swapping a vacation with a coworker (who has kids) once in awhile. I was just saying that not breeding is not as selfish as people make that decsion out to be.
@tsayad1986 I do not find childfree people to be selfish because I am childfree. I disagree with their assesment that having a child is selfish. It is not. The VHEM is based upon lies such as less people means more resources and earth woudl be beter without humans. Ending a part of the biosphere is irrational.
You missed the point; you find breeder selfish. Selfish is considered wrong ergo evil.
@1StoryImageFigure1 Its either just as selfish as having kids or not at all. I dont know why people always have to throw 'selfish' into the ring when it comes to talking about the decision to breed or not to breed. Talking about my parents, they love me but they do say if they had to make the choice again, in this day and age they might choose differently and thus they agree on my decision to have a vasectomy (they understand my point of view).
@1StoryImageFigure1 '''Animals that become extinct due to humanity's actions simply failed the primary goal of all species; survival.''
From where do you derive this goal? You're merely subsituting god for DNA. All species become extinct with time. One could just as easily say that extinction is the primary goal of all species. A goal that is guaranteed to be achieved and the universe won't weep.
@DerivedEnergy I substitutite god for nothing. Dieties do not exist. If all animals go etinct with time then humans causing extinction is not a problem. Eventually it will happen to humans for whatever reason. Animals want to survive as long as possible to reproce and continue the species, that is pretty much want nature is all about.
If extinction was the goal of all species then life would not exist right now.
@girlvsgravity Don't listen to that uneducated person's reply to your comment. I am glad for every person that is intelligent enough to take a distance and look at the negative potential of the human species without a pro-human bias. Humans are sadly still far away from even decreasing population but if nobody starts doing something about it we'll never get there, so thank you for your opinion :)
brainwashed. that happen to me when my mother forced the idea of having children on me. my question what purpose does that serve me. i dont want any and I dont need any! you speak the truth wise one! i treat my life as a business and there's no profit in having children.
@poweroftheatom Yes, society often enough in the form of our parent tries to brainwash into a lot of things that serve no purpose whatsoever. You have my respect for having shrugged off that idiocy :)
I agree, atleast in part, with the vhemt message not to have kids, but my reasoning is rather opposite. I just don't want to eat the costs. time/ money, and am willing to endure the mockery. In fact i aggressivly defend my position that i am operating entirely on selfishness. However i don't support vhemt in their general stance of extinction to save the planet as the planet is doomed destruction from a non-stellar event. The only salvation for the planet is intelligent intervention.
@rayyf69 I actually don't want to have children for both reasons. I think they only cost you and I think that humans are a negative influence on their surroundings. I don't think not wanting children is selfish, do you owe somebody to have them? No, you don't, so you are no more selfish by not having them as the person who has them because (s)he enjoys having them.
@CaraDanaellea I don't think you really covered this but have you considered about the biochemical issues with regards to reproduction; this applies more towards females. Specifically hormones like oxytocin that are responsible for the emotion of love and are triggered during and after the birthing process. This is not something that i ever hear addressed anywhere but it is relevant to a woman's free will as that can potentially be subjugated by hormones and thus...
2 @CaraDanaellea .....forcing a woman to give ...birth has ethical concerns beyond the obvious violations of her body, but violations of her will in a biochemical sense, as she's subject to teh effects of these compounds. This would explain why so many woman who are unequipped to keep their kids keep them.
@rayyf69 I didn't address that but you are completely right. I hadn't considered that point at all, it didn't cross my mind I have to confess. Another point beside the forced love is the forced after-birth-depression. Women who were forced to have a child they don't wanted are at a very high risk of infanticide in that period. Which makes her a criminal by force of society...
Granted, overpopulation is an issue, and it would definitely be a good idea but the VHEMT's main philosophy is that all humanity would be a problem, and they seem to ignore a few key concepts. The basic idea is sound but pushing it too far is where problems unfold. There needs to be a balance, one between using population control, heroic technological measures, and the duty to ones species, because as evolution dictates, the measure of a species is it's longevity and adaptability.
While I applaud people who have no kids, why is it necessary to join the VHEMT? Mankind is not the only threat and to date seems the only organism able to consciously attempt heroic technological breakthroughs as to reverse or at least stem damage. the real human problem lies in the religious right of countries such as America.
@SCRulerShinoda It isn't necessary to join the VHEMT at all. I'm not a member myself but I wanted to mention them because they have some very interesting arguments on their website. I do believe that it is necessary to reduce the human population and the only non-lethal way to do this is to reduce birthrates, which is in my eyes the real agenda of the VHEMT.
I'd say the real human problem is ignorance and the idea that humans rule everything and therefore exempt from any negative consequences.
Boyd rice is the most radicl anti-natalistist I know of. He goes as far as to hail adolf hitler as his hero for killing so many people and he sees mass murder as good for the planet.
What we need to do is to not force ourselves into extinction, but to expand out and voluntarily leave our planet behind. Support Mars To Stay. Beyond what you have been told about mars, it's possible to put humans on the planet and colonize it using technology that we have today. The technology built tomorrow will only make it easier.
@CaraDanaellea totally agreed, and thank you for your kindness i will be watching your other videos aswell. Im just glad that ive found someone who shares a different view point to my own that i can talk with normally and peacefully. I just hope there are more people like you in this world, where even though beliefs and viewpoints can be shared. Again thank you and all the best.
@CaraDanaellea thank you, and i have a total respect for people which choose not to marry or have children. I just wan't to find more people that can learn from others and share their views without the subject turning either into a full blown argument or a bash at religion. I wish to have two children of my own however i have considered adoption. I do belive that worlds population does need calming down however human extinction is not something that i believe in personally.
@hollandiam1 I can only agree with you wholeheartedly. I don't say the human species has go extinct, all I want is that we can all live in peace and harmony, and I don't believe that is going to happen without decreasing our numbers. Everybody has a right to have their own opinion up to the point where that opinion is harming others, and you are definitely not harming anybody. 2 children is absolutely reasonable and I wish you all the best with getting and raising them :)
I have nothing wrong with people choosing not to have children, my place is not to give guidance on others. However i wish to have children, the reasons behind this for me are simple i wish to give my children a forfilled and loved life something that i did not fuly recieve. I do believe that the human race is a fantastic and intellectual species and that we are here for reasons beyond my thoughts. The point im trying to make is everyone has a choice as humans we should learn to respect these.
@hollandiam1 Of course we all differ in our opinions, and that is good so. As long as we all can respectfully accept differing opinions, that is a wonderful thing. You want to give your children a good life, that is wonderful as well. That I think that there are many children who would love to be adopted by such a great person like you is my view point, but as long as we both respect each other that makes both our points equally valuable :)
Thank you for this. I also have no wish to have children- for many reasons, but most importantly because I just don't have any desire to have them. I suppose we still have some ways to go before society can understand that not everyone is made out to be a parent.
@TheWeirdPlant What I find nearly as sad than society not accepting that not everybody is going to be a parent is to value a bad parent still higher than somebody you does decide not to have children. It seems that the evolutionary goal of just spreading your genes no matter what is deeply ingrained in society even today.
@CaraDanaellea I agree completely. If ever this issue comes up in my family, I might show them this video. Not that I think that it's anybody's business whether or not I choose to have children, or marry, for that matter. /vent
@TheWeirdPlant I would feel honoured if you considered my video good enough to maybe influence your family on the matter. Yes, it should be every person's own decision alone if ze wants children but normally it isn't. Especially parents seem to be very eager to "press" their children into having children. One should think that they especially knew how important the decision is but apparently they remember only the positive part.
i choose also not to have children, the earth is filled to the brim with people, less children born the better. people ask me when i will marry or get pregnant and i have learned to say straight forwad never.
No need in lying. I mean stay true to yourself and if people cant deal with that then they dont respect you. One who asks can get multiple answers and if you cant handle the answers then dont ask the questions :) Ciao!
Most people will now counter argue that this will lead to a problem for society with too many old people. I concur, but only for one or two generations. Then humanity should find a balance. Sometimes one really should think long term. Everybody with with more than 2 kids definitely has a problem with doing that even within his own lifetime...
@CaraDanaellea i agree, the world leaders need to start planning for the future and investing more money into research and studying... vs wars..war cost way to much... but hopfully america will become the leader for everyone else to follow. but not while the while we have som nay Republicans in this country.. it will not happen..sorry
@llHyRaXll It is not only the leaders that need to consider the future, we all have to change our habits to make the future possible.
What science and research actually are doing and how they arrive at their results is sadly not widely understood and therefore ridiculed. Before one might hope to get more funding for science one first has to educate in what the state (and taxpayer) would sub sequentially invest.
@SkallagrimNilsson There are. And most of them get that way by listening to the devil too much and not having any clear moral guidance from on high... =)
Too bad that the devil is apparently at least as powerful as god, so that you can never be sure who to listen to, what is deception and what is real. =)
@SkallagrimNilsson It's true that the devil's voice in this world sometimes seems louder than the voice of God. If it weren't for the Bible, we really wouldn't know what to think sometimes. =)
Yeah sure, because we can be 100% certain that it was not the devil who wrote the bible with its stories of violence, vengeance and bigotry, in order to keep people blind to what the mysterious sky daddy really wants... oh, wait...
And regardless of the content, nobody can guarantee that it is legitimate, even if that god hypothetically existed. If the devil is so deceptive, nothing is certain.
@SkallagrimNilsson Nothing is certain. That's why we take it on faith. I will have to read it again and see if I can find anything in it that condones violence or bigotry. I only saw non-condoning of those things. The bible is also a history book, remember, not all the examples it gives are supposed to be followed!
Because nothing is certain the best course of action is to blindly believe some random assertions? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I prefer the scientific method, relying on empirical data, calculation, building up theories, and verification through testing. That's why modern technology works, whereas prayer does not.
I'll make it easy for you: skepticsannotatedbible(dot)com/cruelty/long.html
@SkallagrimNilsson There's too much on here to discuss sensibly in a less-than 500 word comment limit! I prefer the scientific method too, I just understand its limitations. Prayer actually does seem to work pretty well, although I couldn't tell you what radio frequency it is. The SAB has been answered by the skeptics bible annotated and explained by Jason Gastrich. Gastrich isn't brilliant, but good enough to show up the holes in the SAB. It's as much rhetoric as reason, a bit like Dawkins.
Definitely, that's one of the main reasons why such discussions on Youtube are pointless.
I know about psychological studies that have tested the efficiency of prayer by means of precise experimental methods (including a control group of course), and they have found that prayer actually worsens the condition of patients.
It doesn't matter who delivers it, the bible is full of both atrocities and injustice as well as scientific inaccuracies (to put it mildly).
@SkallagrimNilsson you say "full of injustice" but it shows what people did no holds barred. It doesn't say we should do it. It shows Judas hanging himself and his guts spilling out, but only Hannibal Lecter interprets this as a good thing to put into practice! In fact the basic Mosaic law became the first basis for most modern law in the world.
@SkallagrimNilsson In some of these cases either the "skeptics" are taking a historical account of what happened and trying to say that it was God's will. In some cases we see laws which are more civilised and civilising than the common practices of the time, even though they seem out of order to us now. You talk about the Magna Carta as if it descended from the sky rather than written by people believing in Christian law.
Well, if the bible is so ambiguous (some passages are the word of god, others just historical account, others "skeptical commentary")... do you think that ambiguity speaks *for* or *against* its reliability?
I don't see what's ambiguous about "KILL THEM!" though...
You can't automatically assume that laws originating from an overall religious time period are directly based on religious dogma. The American constitution for instance was founded by atheists.
@CaraDanaellea The conclusions which the Buddha came to are entirely different to the teachings of Christ. I would sooner ask where you think the similarity is.
@usenetposts The ethical cornerstone of both is compassion. Both didn't want to establish a new religion but ended up as founders of religions which do not follow their teachings. There are also those that say that Jesus was in fact exposed to Buddhism and got many of his ideas from there. Both had religious revelations that sparked them into activism, both wanted to conquer humanity's problems.
@CaraDanaellea What you say about people following them without following their teachings may be a similar point, but this is not dependent on them as people. I cannot say that I believe anything of Jesus being influenced by Buddhism. He was not an aestetic. He did not sit about meditating. He did not teach Enlightenment nor really karma in a Buddhist sense.
@usenetposts And I don't see similar life histories. Gautama was spoiled as a child, but Jesus was brought up in a poor home on hard work. Gautama is all about humans achieving nirvana, but Jesus Christ is about salvation offered by faith, and the impossibility to attain to it without being given it, and receiving it in faith. You can reinterpret Christ in a Buddhist framework, but that isn't the Christ of the gospels.
@usenetposts There are books on the topic, the only relatively short thing I could find online is associatedcontent (dot)com / article / 207190 / say_what_jesus_was_a_buddhist (dot) html?cat=7
Sure not the best source but it points out at least some similarities.
I love how you articulate an intelligent point. I too share the child-free lifestyle for a multitude of reasons both selfish and benevolent. It will be interesting to see in a few years how people react to my wife and I who have been married 7 years and still haven't bred. I'm sure that the questions of confusion will come in due time.
@Newsfop Thank you, both for the nice words and for deciding to do something good for the planet :)
Yeah, I am together with my fiancee for nearly 10 years now but since we're not married I could advert questions about children. When we will be married it will get interesting, let me know if you find a good way to answer those questions.
@LadyRuin2012 That's a very positive attitude. There are so many children that desperately need parents but are systematically overlooked because most view adopted children not as their real children.
@MisterPerfect1989 Ok I apologize, but you missed my point. I was only saying, no one is perfect. I'm not, you're not. Just because some people don't want to have children doesn't mean they should kill themselves. We all have a right to our opinions, but that was harsh.
@klb084 From what i have read, you final aim is to get the human race extinct...so i say, if you want to kill the human race, why don't you begin with you? In my opinion the human race have got some problems, but we are the most evolved species on the earth, and we can be better! We have to colonize space for instance....
@MisterPerfect1989 I don't want us extinct, I just don't want us overpopulating. I have no problem with people who want children. My best friend has a child I adore. Even though there are those of us who don't want to reproduce it doesn't mean it's going to hurt anything. There is still a much higher percentage of people who want children. We will always be a plentiful species. We're not going anywhere just because a few of us have decided to go against nature.
@klb084 I saw a Facebook group in italian (my nation) where they say they would like to see our race extinct! I also don't want overpopulation to be honest, but the name of the movement is Voluntary Human Extinction...and i found that ridicolous...we are the most evolved known race...we're not perfect...but i don't understand who says "save the earth with the extinction of the human race", that's all
@MisterPerfect1989 No, I'm not involved in any of that. I've heard of it though and I don't understand it either. My extent of being childfree is just I'm just a selfish girl that doesn't want to share her time, space, or money with kids. And once again I do apologize for being rude on my first comment.
@klb084 The funny thing is that i also don't want to have childrens, but not to contribute to the human race extinction but for your same idea :) So i think we are very similar, we didn't understand us ;)
@MisterPerfect1989 It's called Voluntary Human Extinction for the shock value. The main goal is to reduce population by abstaining from having children, because the planet is already overpopulated. It's not that humans have to go extinct, it's just that we should learn to accept that not everybody has an obligation to have children.
What I want is that it is accepted NOT to have kids and persons to think about the rest of society before having more than two kids.
how the fuck can you like that hair style it literally looks like a retard cut it. people these days....
SentByG0d 2 weeks ago
@SentByG0d Are you sure you are send by god? Because if so, god must be one big asshole to pick you.
tsayad1986 2 weeks ago
@SentByG0d Thats right! Everybody should conform and be the same! Go fuck yourself dude ;)
tsayad1986 1 week ago
@tsayad1986 Ofc, Adolf had the right idea.
SentByG0d 1 week ago
@SentByG0d I was being cynical.
tsayad1986 1 week ago
why is it that is always the stupid radicalized western morons the ones who can not possibly stop yapping about their views and ideas as if the rest of the world cared..... DON'T WANNA HAVE CHILDREN??? THEN DON'T HAVE IT, NO ONE WILL GIVE A CRAP!
TheYaom 3 weeks ago
Hey, get off it - nobody is holding a gun to your head. Also, do you think anyone you know really gives a fuck whether or not you have a baby. Further, women are as keen on abortion as they are on childbirth - so they can't feel that much pressurised, can they?
On the other hand, you are very pretty. So I guess you win the argument.
capturedpilot 1 month ago
I love your hair here, just needed to let you know!
buddhabunnee 1 month ago
@buddhabunnee Thanks, I personally prefer it when the blonde strands are green but glad you like it ;)
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
Also do you think you have to be one hell of an optimist to have kids? Not to confuse optimism with idealism, which i think is very close related to cynicism, because the goals are set so high its hard to achieve them (on the short run) which might cause frustration (and dark humor hehe). I think you are an idealist and i think i am too. I definiately dont feel to optimistic most of the time.
tsayad1986 1 month ago
Do you think being the 'strange one, no matter where you go' is a good thing? I do think so, because i find those 'strange' people to be 100 times more interesting then the 'normal' people. However in my case i often find myself observing more then participating in my surroundings. What other people do without questioning i question. Its exhausting but also very interesing.
tsayad1986 1 month ago 2
@tsayad1986 I won't say that I have a problem with being the strange one. It can be tiresome at times but I do rather prefer it over being another copy. And yes, I find such persons way more interesting, too ;)
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
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tsayad1986 1 month ago
Voluntary human extinction.. that's silly. Sure the biosphere would balance in different ways, but it would be a pretty boring place with no intelligent creatures with high functioning brains.
CMO999 1 month ago
@CMO999 The idea of extinction is just setting the bar high. Perfect would be to go from 7 billion people to something like 3 billion. Less people means better quality life for every individual (but it has to be green). More people means inflation of what 1 human life means and eventually shortage of resources, wars, femine. It is already happening in some third world countries unfortunately.
tsayad1986 1 month ago
@tsayad1986 so basically saying you would rather have 4 billion not be on this earth instead of having 4 million dollars put on a building a ship to carry 4000 people to mars to mine resources,biuld a colony,and build a civilization.Don't you feel stupid
BandoilerrMiDGeT750 2 weeks ago
@BandoilerrMiDGeT750 Actually i dont. What will happen if we populate mars? Sure earth is overpopulated by then, lets breed on another planet. That would just buy us time. And also, nobody is going to build a ship unless there is someway to make profit. I dont think more people is a good thing, we have 7 billion already. I think it will all give us more breathing space (literally?) if there were fewer of us. I dont mean killing them, but voluntarily choosing not to procreate
tsayad1986 2 weeks ago
oh my goodness CaraDanaellea oh my goodness you just gotta check out this book I seen on online amazon it's called the GREAT SPIRIT HORSE Written by Linda little Wolf
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
I agree couldn't have said it better myself and ANIMISM is a beautiful thing I wish more humankind knew about our lovely Animism
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
I agree couldn't have said it better myself and ANIMISM is a beautiful thing I wish more humankind knew aout our lovely Animism
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
Cara, how can your mother try to force you if Skall had a vasectomy? Does she imply you have to leave your soulmate to do something you obviously (and with many good reasons) dont want to do??
tsayad1986 1 month ago
@tsayad1986 First of all, how difficult do you think was it to get her to stop pestering us all day long with how irresponsible and bad a decision Skall's vasectomy was. We more or less had to convince her that it is reversible (which it by now of course is not). But she really made a lot of pressure, at one point she even said that I am selfish. I only have to give birth to it after that she would do everything... I felt like a breeding cow...
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
@CaraDanaellea How did the rest of your environment reacted? Like his parents? and your friends? Im thinking of having a vasectomy this year but i have the support of my parents. To sum it up they basically said this: 'If that is what you want we support it, and knowing you it might be the best decision for you'. It did not come as a surprise for them so i didnt feel the pressure you felt back then..
tsayad1986 1 month ago
@tsayad1986 My father was not happy with the decision because he would like to have grandchildren but since he loves me he wants me to be happy and he knows that I really don't want children. Skall's parents only shrugged and said: Well, no grandkids then, it's too bad a world anyway to get them into.
The one friend I had a that time only said: It's your decision.
I can only say to you: Go for it! Skall and I have said often that it was one of the best things we ever did :)
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
@CaraDanaellea Thanks again for your supportive words! Im not doubting my decision but with the majority of my surroundings having a different opinion i can feel like the 'strange one' at times. The only childfree people i've met so far are online (unfortunately). But it's good to know like-minded people are out there!
tsayad1986 1 month ago
@tsayad1986 I'm the strange one no matter where I go, you get used to it ;)
It's your decision and I believe it is a good decision. If you don't feel the emotional urge to have children then there is no rational reason to get them.
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
@CaraDanaellea Not only do i not feel that maternal urge, i also am very keen on my freedom and im not the right kind of personality to be forced into the 'civil lifestyle' (im a loner). I would go mad if i dont have my solitude, because it gives me time to 'recharge'. I also have problems with what the humans do with the planet, the polution, overpopulation, overconsumption it bothers me. I am thinking of doing some writing on the childfree subject but thats just plans for now ;)
tsayad1986 1 month ago
Is anybody forcing you to have children?
leostomicek 1 month ago
@leostomicek My mother is trying hard and if I would be more influenced by all the comments of that is strange/unusual or the constant not getting taking seriously and being told: You surely will want children later, than yes, a lot of people are pressuring to have children.
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
@CaraDanaellea Social pressure is nothing to complain about though, everyone suffers from it.
leostomicek 1 month ago
@leostomicek And that's a reason not to want to do anything about it? To me especially when a problem is wide-spread it warrants action.
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
@CaraDanaellea I hate it when people say 'ow, but you'll change your mind, you are only 25. When i was your age.. blabla'. I get the feeling they are not taking me seriously and secondly even if they where my age again we still would be 2 total different persons with different opinions/ backgrounds etc. When a 16 year old girl accidently gets pregnant nobody tells her 'ow but maybe you are to young, here's an abortion'. Sometimes people are like a bunch of sheep really...
tsayad1986 1 month ago
@tsayad1986 Only sometimes?...
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
ANIMISM is a religion check out animism and history online it just been covered up by christianity it has many beliefs but it's a religion would you support them if it were a heirarchy Animism is more of a freedom religion I love animism aren't you proud of being an animist
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
@ILoveMJ5820 It all hinges on how you define religion. Animism has been a part of human spirituality long before Christianity, it just does not fulfill my definition of religion in the sense that it lacks "holy rules/dogmas" and an established priesthood. In my eyes that makes it more desirable than "organized religion".
I am proud that I had the courage to go on a quest to find my spirituality but being proud simply because I believe something, no, there is no reason for that.
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
too many goddamn breeders anyway,,,,, zombies giving birth to zombies
fraterlucifer888 1 month ago
@fraterlucifer888 Nicely put
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
ANIMISM is a religion not a belief although it is to e a belief because that is what gospel has told told them but Animism is a religion but let me make this clear cause I don't wanna put words into your mouth you mean that if it were a religion cult then you would prefer it
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
@ILoveMJ5820 Animism is not a religion but a system of beliefs. Religions have a strict hierarchical structure and most often say that only priests can have direct contact with the god(s). A belief system can become a religion when it becomes institutionalized.
To me that is why I prefer cults which in my positive definition is nothing more than a group of practitioners supporting each other. When this group starts constructing a hierarchy I become vary.
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
a particular system of religious beliefs
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
@ILoveMJ5820 Well, defined as vague as that I would say I am definitely in favor of it. You could put animism into the category then. If I do assume that it is in contrast to religion than I might say that I prefer it but only if we are not talking about cults in the sense of secluded and forced upon the cultists.
I think that personal spirituality is better than any kind of organized belief system, but I do understand that many people feel that spirituality is something group based.
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
caradanaellea what are your feelings on cults
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
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I'd like for you to look for ''HORSE ENCYCLOPEDIA '' on you tube it's very interesting so much as it is also extreamely it's groovy
if you had to save the world your loved ones and everyone that you love around would you sacrifice saving them doing a (revolutionary) war
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
I'd like for you to look for ''HORSE ENCYCLOPEDIA '' on you tube it's very interesting so much as it is also extreamely it's groovy
if you had to save the world your loved ones and everyone that you love around would you sacrifice saving them doing a (revolutionary) war
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
@ILoveMJ5820 I looked into the english parts of Horse Encyclopedia I could find and I does sadly not surprise me. All kinds of animals have been (mis)used most cruelly throughout history and into the present day. It is good when people make such documentaries to show people what can be done.
Life in a war is not a life worth living so to save my loved ones I would find other means than a war.
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
hi caradanaellea I understand your an ANIMIST I'm an animist to do you know who THE SPIRIT HORSE is and what are your thoughts on guns and knives (needed) and a (revolutionary) war
thanks tammy
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
@ILoveMJ5820 Nice to meet another animist. I do not know who the spirit horse is, none of my spirit guides is of the horse tribe so my knowledge in this direction is limited.
My thoughts on guns and knives can probably best be glimpsed in the various cutting and shooting videos over at my partners channel. I'm a weapon nut :)
Yet war is absolutely abominable, war is about more than fighting and it is often the intend and consequences that are even more shattering than the violence alone.
CaraDanaellea 1 month ago
SINK = Single Income No Kids
SINB = Single Income No Brats
Childfree ftw!
Spartan7735 2 months ago
Because they would be really cute and I want to see the videos of you guys raising them. Hurry up because my clock is ticking heehee
tortugapdq 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 Maybe you should learn how to spell properly, and take a few grammar classes before trying to appear intellectually superior. And thank God you're childfree, otherwise we'd have more unnecessary dumbasses like you running around with gaping diarrhea mouths.
TheRubySkies 2 months ago
Fuck humans! Let them die out, hopefully very soon.
DrDerpwerth 2 months ago
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@DrDerpwerth Kill yourself. After all, you are human.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
I sure hope the childfree trend continues. If the scare mongers worst case scenario of human extinction really does become a threat, I honestly couldn't care less. After all, the human race is responsible for wiping out so many other species. I think we're overdue for a taste of our own medicine.
girlvsgravity 3 months ago
@girlvsgravity Dumbass. Nature is responsable for the vast majority of extinctions. Check out the Cambrian–Ordovician extinction event. We humans can never surpass that. (Humans came from nature. Honestly, stupidity is so popular on Youtube.)
By the way. You are human so I suggust you take your medicine and remove yourself from this world.
As for the video, I am glad you are not having children. Your idiocy should not be passed on.
1StoryImageFigure1 3 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 Only because humans are not responsible for every extinction doesn't mean that there isn't a link at all. Humankind has the best record of extinction when it comes to species in contact with each other. And because because humans are natural, either everything or nothing is, doesn't mean that humans have a different influence on nature than other species have.
My idiocy is defined by humanitarian values and a high IQ... yeah, rescue the world from open-minded people...
CaraDanaellea 3 months ago
@CaraDanaellea Humanitarian values? Thats a good one. Extinction of humans, which is what the VHEM is all about, is not humanitarian nor shows that a person has a high i.q. Your reply just proves my point.
Human overpopulation is a myth and you boughr giht into just like so many others. Humans causing mass extinction of other species still does not compare to other extinction events.
As for humans causing extinction, so what. Extinctions has been happening all the time. Survival of the fittest
1StoryImageFigure1 3 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 Since VHEM is not about killing but simply taking an informed decision to abstain from giving birth it has the greater good in focus and is thereby very humanitarian. Intelligence is not about having the best life for yourself on the cost of others but about learning to life together in a way that profits everybody.
Extinctions brought on by humans are different from extinctions due to other causes because there were evolutionary possibilities to adapt to the challenge.
CaraDanaellea 3 months ago
@CaraDanaellea Greater good and humanitarianism my ass. Intentionally causing ones own species to become extinct is neither humanitarian nor for the greater good. It is stupidity and misanthropy.
Extinctions brought about by humans are not different. Humans are animals and are a part of nature like everything other animal. Animals that become extinct due to humanity's actions simply failed the primary goal of all species; survival. Humans have no obligation to anything but their own species.
1StoryImageFigure1 3 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 Humans have no obligation whatsoever to their own species. Be honest, you don't give a shit about the species, just about your own good.
CaraDanaellea 3 months ago
@CaraDanaellea I am being honest; humans owe other animals nothing and no obligation. Humans only loyalty is to their own species. If I did not give a shit about my own kind then I would not care about myself because I am human.
If humans had no obligation to their own species, neither you nor I would be here having this conversation on the internet.
1StoryImageFigure1 3 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 Humans don't owe their species anything. To owe something to anybody or anything that never did anything specifically for me is a misunderstanding of the word. I don't owe anything to humanity, the country I randomly was born, the continent I live in.
I don't owe nature something, but I do respect live in balance and when a species takes more of the resources than the planet can provide than the balance is disturbed and this species has to be regulated.
CaraDanaellea 3 months ago
@CaraDanaellea You are begining to make me laugh, now. You do not owe the species that brought you into existence? Or built the computer you use? Or made the food you eat? Or the house you live in? The job you work at? The people who watch your videos on Youtube? The people who made Youtube? Your friends? Etc.
The ide that you do not own other humans anything is a sign of delusion, ignorance, and arrogance. You are the one who is being selfish, not me. This conversation is over.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1
We do not choose to be born therefore we dont owe anyone anything (we didnt make a choice, our parents did). Secondly i believe there are currently more then enough people in the world. Reproduction is actually one big EGOTRIP. There is nothing altruistic about it AT ALL.
tsayad1986 2 months ago
@tsayad1986 Taking care of a child is very altruistic. The sacrifices made in order for that child to be raised in oder to grow up and become a productive member of society are vast. Medical bills, education, food, safe environment, etc for a child. It is not an ego trip. Typical irrationality I have come to suspect from this comment section.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 I dont see it as altruistic. You made a (selfish) decision to make kids, then you have to face the consequences. Action - reaction. Most people take care of their kids in the illusion that either 'its all worth it' (selfish because it fullfills a 'need') or that those kids will later repay themself back or even take care of the parents (again - selfish motive). It seems parenthood (and familylife) is way overated in our society.
tsayad1986 2 months ago
@tsayad1986 Very well, I will simply leave you to your delusion then.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1
Dude, if we weren't being born as you suggested, then we wouldn't know it now would we? So no problem at all. And no need to feel the need to trap more souls into mortal bodies because you somehow 'owe them a life'. Fuck that, they wont mind because they wont know.
tsayad1986 2 months ago
@tsayad1986 I like how everything else was ignored. And since you and others have been born you do know and you do owe other people. Keep on living in your dream world. I am no longer going to convince people like you on how selfish they are.
Not being born is irrelevent. The fact is that you are alive becuase of othr humans.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1
Creating more people (or: trapping souls in mortal bodies who will most likely feel pain and suffering later on in their yet-to-be-created lives) is selfish. The choice to breed is as selfish as the choice not to breed so please dont bring selfishness into the discussion because you wont gain anything with that. People dont make babies because of the baby but because THEY want a child real bad. Sometimes those people even knowingly carry on diseases.
tsayad1986 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 Also the fact that im alive because of other humans still doesnt mean i have an obligation to do the same. Seriously we have 7 billion people on earth, obligation? you must be joking man. If ever, people should be happy there are more and more people choosing to stay childfree. It means one less person for your onborn son/daughter to compete with on the job market.
tsayad1986 2 months ago
@tsayad1986 I am well aware that the fertility and birthrates are dropping which merely shows that the diea that humans are just reproducing like crazy is wrong. The reason why their are so many people are on Earth because of better medication and living contitions throughout alot of the world. People can be childless or childfree if they want to be, their bodies their lives. VHEM is irrational and wrong. I cheked there website, there premise ofless people, more resources.is wrong:.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
@tsayad1986 Furtherore, less people means more jobs is bullshit. Capitalism is the primary economic system in the world and the capitalist do not give a shit about hiring more workers. They want as few workers under their control because more workers means less profits. Human population is irrelevent under capitalism
The fact that you ignore everything other humans have done for you is a sign of irrationali selfishness and not alruism. Continue to delue yourself I will not stop you.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 I never said im altruistic. Im at least as selfish as all the breeders out there. I contribute to society through the work i do. I pay taxes for something i will never makes use of...
I have no intention at all to pass my genes on or something like that. I like my freedom and i dont want to give up all that just to become an extention of someone else's live.
tsayad1986 2 months ago
@tsayad1986 Especially thopse evil breeders who made you exist. Damn them! If you do not like your existence, you can always opt out of it.
Pay taxes for things you never make use of? Like roads? Electricity? Schools? Medicare? etc. Who am I kinding, I might as well be having a conversation with a wall.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 I never said anything about being evil. Just about selfishness. Thats something completely different. Neither did i say i hate my excistence. The taxes i was talking about are all kids related ofcourse. The benefits parents have must come from somewhere. Now i dont mind that, also i dont mind swapping a vacation with a coworker (who has kids) once in awhile. I was just saying that not breeding is not as selfish as people make that decsion out to be.
tsayad1986 2 months ago
@tsayad1986 I do not find childfree people to be selfish because I am childfree. I disagree with their assesment that having a child is selfish. It is not. The VHEM is based upon lies such as less people means more resources and earth woudl be beter without humans. Ending a part of the biosphere is irrational.
You missed the point; you find breeder selfish. Selfish is considered wrong ergo evil.
This conversation is going nowhere.
1StoryImageFigure1 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 Its either just as selfish as having kids or not at all. I dont know why people always have to throw 'selfish' into the ring when it comes to talking about the decision to breed or not to breed. Talking about my parents, they love me but they do say if they had to make the choice again, in this day and age they might choose differently and thus they agree on my decision to have a vasectomy (they understand my point of view).
tsayad1986 2 months ago
@1StoryImageFigure1 '''Animals that become extinct due to humanity's actions simply failed the primary goal of all species; survival.''
From where do you derive this goal? You're merely subsituting god for DNA. All species become extinct with time. One could just as easily say that extinction is the primary goal of all species. A goal that is guaranteed to be achieved and the universe won't weep.
DerivedEnergy 3 months ago
@DerivedEnergy I substitutite god for nothing. Dieties do not exist. If all animals go etinct with time then humans causing extinction is not a problem. Eventually it will happen to humans for whatever reason. Animals want to survive as long as possible to reproce and continue the species, that is pretty much want nature is all about.
If extinction was the goal of all species then life would not exist right now.
1StoryImageFigure1 3 months ago
@CaraDanaellea Funny. Every video to my right involves humans dying out, euthanasia on babies, hating children, and other forms of idiocy.
1StoryImageFigure1 3 months ago
@girlvsgravity Don't listen to that uneducated person's reply to your comment. I am glad for every person that is intelligent enough to take a distance and look at the negative potential of the human species without a pro-human bias. Humans are sadly still far away from even decreasing population but if nobody starts doing something about it we'll never get there, so thank you for your opinion :)
CaraDanaellea 3 months ago
FUCK THE VHEMT!!!!!! LET'S FUCK OUR BRAINS OUT!!!!!!!
wokeupthismorning100 4 months ago
@wokeupthismorning100 Fuck your brains out all you want, just don't impregnate everybody you fuck with!
CaraDanaellea 4 months ago
brainwashed. that happen to me when my mother forced the idea of having children on me. my question what purpose does that serve me. i dont want any and I dont need any! you speak the truth wise one! i treat my life as a business and there's no profit in having children.
poweroftheatom 7 months ago
@poweroftheatom Yes, society often enough in the form of our parent tries to brainwash into a lot of things that serve no purpose whatsoever. You have my respect for having shrugged off that idiocy :)
CaraDanaellea 7 months ago
I agree, atleast in part, with the vhemt message not to have kids, but my reasoning is rather opposite. I just don't want to eat the costs. time/ money, and am willing to endure the mockery. In fact i aggressivly defend my position that i am operating entirely on selfishness. However i don't support vhemt in their general stance of extinction to save the planet as the planet is doomed destruction from a non-stellar event. The only salvation for the planet is intelligent intervention.
rayyf69 7 months ago
@rayyf69 I actually don't want to have children for both reasons. I think they only cost you and I think that humans are a negative influence on their surroundings. I don't think not wanting children is selfish, do you owe somebody to have them? No, you don't, so you are no more selfish by not having them as the person who has them because (s)he enjoys having them.
CaraDanaellea 7 months ago
@CaraDanaellea I don't think you really covered this but have you considered about the biochemical issues with regards to reproduction; this applies more towards females. Specifically hormones like oxytocin that are responsible for the emotion of love and are triggered during and after the birthing process. This is not something that i ever hear addressed anywhere but it is relevant to a woman's free will as that can potentially be subjugated by hormones and thus...
rayyf69 7 months ago
2 @CaraDanaellea .....forcing a woman to give ...birth has ethical concerns beyond the obvious violations of her body, but violations of her will in a biochemical sense, as she's subject to teh effects of these compounds. This would explain why so many woman who are unequipped to keep their kids keep them.
rayyf69 7 months ago
@rayyf69 I didn't address that but you are completely right. I hadn't considered that point at all, it didn't cross my mind I have to confess. Another point beside the forced love is the forced after-birth-depression. Women who were forced to have a child they don't wanted are at a very high risk of infanticide in that period. Which makes her a criminal by force of society...
CaraDanaellea 7 months ago
Granted, overpopulation is an issue, and it would definitely be a good idea but the VHEMT's main philosophy is that all humanity would be a problem, and they seem to ignore a few key concepts. The basic idea is sound but pushing it too far is where problems unfold. There needs to be a balance, one between using population control, heroic technological measures, and the duty to ones species, because as evolution dictates, the measure of a species is it's longevity and adaptability.
SCRulerShinoda 8 months ago
While I applaud people who have no kids, why is it necessary to join the VHEMT? Mankind is not the only threat and to date seems the only organism able to consciously attempt heroic technological breakthroughs as to reverse or at least stem damage. the real human problem lies in the religious right of countries such as America.
SCRulerShinoda 8 months ago
@SCRulerShinoda It isn't necessary to join the VHEMT at all. I'm not a member myself but I wanted to mention them because they have some very interesting arguments on their website. I do believe that it is necessary to reduce the human population and the only non-lethal way to do this is to reduce birthrates, which is in my eyes the real agenda of the VHEMT.
I'd say the real human problem is ignorance and the idea that humans rule everything and therefore exempt from any negative consequences.
CaraDanaellea 8 months ago
Boyd rice is the most radicl anti-natalistist I know of. He goes as far as to hail adolf hitler as his hero for killing so many people and he sees mass murder as good for the planet.
greenghost2008 8 months ago
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systematika 8 months ago
What we need to do is to not force ourselves into extinction, but to expand out and voluntarily leave our planet behind. Support Mars To Stay. Beyond what you have been told about mars, it's possible to put humans on the planet and colonize it using technology that we have today. The technology built tomorrow will only make it easier.
youtube.com/watch?v=5haTmLDjmE0
Youtube.com/user/TheMarsSociety#p/a/u/0/iGv64mFJ2E8
systematika 8 months ago
The human species's survival has been guaranteed. We don't need almost 7 billion people to avoid extinction.
SanFranGirl1982 8 months ago
@CaraDanaellea totally agreed, and thank you for your kindness i will be watching your other videos aswell. Im just glad that ive found someone who shares a different view point to my own that i can talk with normally and peacefully. I just hope there are more people like you in this world, where even though beliefs and viewpoints can be shared. Again thank you and all the best.
hollandiam1 9 months ago
@CaraDanaellea thank you, and i have a total respect for people which choose not to marry or have children. I just wan't to find more people that can learn from others and share their views without the subject turning either into a full blown argument or a bash at religion. I wish to have two children of my own however i have considered adoption. I do belive that worlds population does need calming down however human extinction is not something that i believe in personally.
hollandiam1 9 months ago
@hollandiam1 I can only agree with you wholeheartedly. I don't say the human species has go extinct, all I want is that we can all live in peace and harmony, and I don't believe that is going to happen without decreasing our numbers. Everybody has a right to have their own opinion up to the point where that opinion is harming others, and you are definitely not harming anybody. 2 children is absolutely reasonable and I wish you all the best with getting and raising them :)
CaraDanaellea 9 months ago
I have nothing wrong with people choosing not to have children, my place is not to give guidance on others. However i wish to have children, the reasons behind this for me are simple i wish to give my children a forfilled and loved life something that i did not fuly recieve. I do believe that the human race is a fantastic and intellectual species and that we are here for reasons beyond my thoughts. The point im trying to make is everyone has a choice as humans we should learn to respect these.
hollandiam1 9 months ago
@hollandiam1 Of course we all differ in our opinions, and that is good so. As long as we all can respectfully accept differing opinions, that is a wonderful thing. You want to give your children a good life, that is wonderful as well. That I think that there are many children who would love to be adopted by such a great person like you is my view point, but as long as we both respect each other that makes both our points equally valuable :)
CaraDanaellea 9 months ago
Thank you for this. I also have no wish to have children- for many reasons, but most importantly because I just don't have any desire to have them. I suppose we still have some ways to go before society can understand that not everyone is made out to be a parent.
TheWeirdPlant 9 months ago
@TheWeirdPlant What I find nearly as sad than society not accepting that not everybody is going to be a parent is to value a bad parent still higher than somebody you does decide not to have children. It seems that the evolutionary goal of just spreading your genes no matter what is deeply ingrained in society even today.
CaraDanaellea 9 months ago
@CaraDanaellea I agree completely. If ever this issue comes up in my family, I might show them this video. Not that I think that it's anybody's business whether or not I choose to have children, or marry, for that matter. /vent
TheWeirdPlant 9 months ago
@TheWeirdPlant I would feel honoured if you considered my video good enough to maybe influence your family on the matter. Yes, it should be every person's own decision alone if ze wants children but normally it isn't. Especially parents seem to be very eager to "press" their children into having children. One should think that they especially knew how important the decision is but apparently they remember only the positive part.
CaraDanaellea 9 months ago
I work at a fast food joint, and the 'shit' that comes in is more than enough reasons' to not have kids.
Kayleahful 10 months ago
@Kayleahful Sad but true, I guess...
CaraDanaellea 10 months ago
i choose also not to have children, the earth is filled to the brim with people, less children born the better. people ask me when i will marry or get pregnant and i have learned to say straight forwad never.
uching 11 months ago 5
@uching
No need in lying. I mean stay true to yourself and if people cant deal with that then they dont respect you. One who asks can get multiple answers and if you cant handle the answers then dont ask the questions :) Ciao!
tsayad1986 2 months ago
+1
Anathema1984 11 months ago
everyone should be limmited to 1 or 2 kids
llHyRaXll 11 months ago 10
@llHyRaXll Definitely!
Most people will now counter argue that this will lead to a problem for society with too many old people. I concur, but only for one or two generations. Then humanity should find a balance. Sometimes one really should think long term. Everybody with with more than 2 kids definitely has a problem with doing that even within his own lifetime...
CaraDanaellea 11 months ago
@CaraDanaellea i agree, the world leaders need to start planning for the future and investing more money into research and studying... vs wars..war cost way to much... but hopfully america will become the leader for everyone else to follow. but not while the while we have som nay Republicans in this country.. it will not happen..sorry
llHyRaXll 11 months ago
@llHyRaXll It is not only the leaders that need to consider the future, we all have to change our habits to make the future possible.
What science and research actually are doing and how they arrive at their results is sadly not widely understood and therefore ridiculed. Before one might hope to get more funding for science one first has to educate in what the state (and taxpayer) would sub sequentially invest.
CaraDanaellea 11 months ago
@llHyRaXll some people are too horny for that dude
ThatGuyOverTheir21 3 months ago
You need to stop listening to Stan's lies.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts I could consider that if I knew who you mean by Stan.
CaraDanaellea 1 year ago
@CaraDanaellea I do beg your pardon. I meant "Satan". You need to stop listening to Satan's lies. Sorry about the typing error.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
You are joking, right? I would suggest the use of emoticons to indicate that.
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson You're not using any.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Well yes, I was being serious. You never know, there are a lot of insane people, especially on Youtube... =)
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson There are. And most of them get that way by listening to the devil too much and not having any clear moral guidance from on high... =)
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Too bad that the devil is apparently at least as powerful as god, so that you can never be sure who to listen to, what is deception and what is real. =)
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson It's true that the devil's voice in this world sometimes seems louder than the voice of God. If it weren't for the Bible, we really wouldn't know what to think sometimes. =)
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Yeah sure, because we can be 100% certain that it was not the devil who wrote the bible with its stories of violence, vengeance and bigotry, in order to keep people blind to what the mysterious sky daddy really wants... oh, wait...
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson I must have missed those stories in it. I saw a plan of creation and salvation, when I read it.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Indeed. Read the Old Testament again.
And regardless of the content, nobody can guarantee that it is legitimate, even if that god hypothetically existed. If the devil is so deceptive, nothing is certain.
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson Nothing is certain. That's why we take it on faith. I will have to read it again and see if I can find anything in it that condones violence or bigotry. I only saw non-condoning of those things. The bible is also a history book, remember, not all the examples it gives are supposed to be followed!
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Because nothing is certain the best course of action is to blindly believe some random assertions? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I prefer the scientific method, relying on empirical data, calculation, building up theories, and verification through testing. That's why modern technology works, whereas prayer does not.
I'll make it easy for you: skepticsannotatedbible(dot)com/cruelty/long.html
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson There's too much on here to discuss sensibly in a less-than 500 word comment limit! I prefer the scientific method too, I just understand its limitations. Prayer actually does seem to work pretty well, although I couldn't tell you what radio frequency it is. The SAB has been answered by the skeptics bible annotated and explained by Jason Gastrich. Gastrich isn't brilliant, but good enough to show up the holes in the SAB. It's as much rhetoric as reason, a bit like Dawkins.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Definitely, that's one of the main reasons why such discussions on Youtube are pointless.
I know about psychological studies that have tested the efficiency of prayer by means of precise experimental methods (including a control group of course), and they have found that prayer actually worsens the condition of patients.
It doesn't matter who delivers it, the bible is full of both atrocities and injustice as well as scientific inaccuracies (to put it mildly).
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson you say "full of injustice" but it shows what people did no holds barred. It doesn't say we should do it. It shows Judas hanging himself and his guts spilling out, but only Hannibal Lecter interprets this as a good thing to put into practice! In fact the basic Mosaic law became the first basis for most modern law in the world.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Just a few examples:
- In Deuteronomy 20:10-14 god approves of killing, pillaging and rape
- 2 Samuel 12:11-14: god hands innocent women over to be raped, and kills a child
- Exodus 21:7-11: Keeping women as sex slaves is legitimated
- Deuteronomy 17:12: People who don't listen to priests must be killed (OBLIGATION!)
- Leviticus 20:13: Men who lie with other men MUST be killed
And no, modern law is NOT based on Mosaic law. English/American law e.g. is based on the Magna Carta.
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson In some of these cases either the "skeptics" are taking a historical account of what happened and trying to say that it was God's will. In some cases we see laws which are more civilised and civilising than the common practices of the time, even though they seem out of order to us now. You talk about the Magna Carta as if it descended from the sky rather than written by people believing in Christian law.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Well, if the bible is so ambiguous (some passages are the word of god, others just historical account, others "skeptical commentary")... do you think that ambiguity speaks *for* or *against* its reliability?
I don't see what's ambiguous about "KILL THEM!" though...
You can't automatically assume that laws originating from an overall religious time period are directly based on religious dogma. The American constitution for instance was founded by atheists.
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@usenetposts
Freedom of religion is also a part of modern law, by the way... and it's the antithesis of the bible.
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@usenetposts
By the way, just to avoid certain categorization... I'm not an atheist, even though I might appear like one.
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson I never suggested you were, dear friend. I assumed you might be a Buddhist.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts
I'm not, but I see many positive aspects about Buddhism.
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
@SkallagrimNilsson I'm sure there are. If only it had Jesus in it it would be great!
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts And were is the big difference between Buddha and Jesus?
CaraDanaellea 1 year ago
@CaraDanaellea The conclusions which the Buddha came to are entirely different to the teachings of Christ. I would sooner ask where you think the similarity is.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts The ethical cornerstone of both is compassion. Both didn't want to establish a new religion but ended up as founders of religions which do not follow their teachings. There are also those that say that Jesus was in fact exposed to Buddhism and got many of his ideas from there. Both had religious revelations that sparked them into activism, both wanted to conquer humanity's problems.
Not to speak of their similar life histories.
CaraDanaellea 1 year ago
@CaraDanaellea What you say about people following them without following their teachings may be a similar point, but this is not dependent on them as people. I cannot say that I believe anything of Jesus being influenced by Buddhism. He was not an aestetic. He did not sit about meditating. He did not teach Enlightenment nor really karma in a Buddhist sense.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts And I don't see similar life histories. Gautama was spoiled as a child, but Jesus was brought up in a poor home on hard work. Gautama is all about humans achieving nirvana, but Jesus Christ is about salvation offered by faith, and the impossibility to attain to it without being given it, and receiving it in faith. You can reinterpret Christ in a Buddhist framework, but that isn't the Christ of the gospels.
usenetposts 1 year ago
@usenetposts There are books on the topic, the only relatively short thing I could find online is associatedcontent (dot)com / article / 207190 / say_what_jesus_was_a_buddhist (dot) html?cat=7
Sure not the best source but it points out at least some similarities.
CaraDanaellea 1 year ago
I love how you articulate an intelligent point. I too share the child-free lifestyle for a multitude of reasons both selfish and benevolent. It will be interesting to see in a few years how people react to my wife and I who have been married 7 years and still haven't bred. I'm sure that the questions of confusion will come in due time.
Newsfop 1 year ago
@Newsfop Thank you, both for the nice words and for deciding to do something good for the planet :)
Yeah, I am together with my fiancee for nearly 10 years now but since we're not married I could advert questions about children. When we will be married it will get interesting, let me know if you find a good way to answer those questions.
CaraDanaellea 1 year ago
I like children but I don't know if I want them. I might adopt later when my "wild youth" is done and over with, lol.
LadyRuin2012 1 year ago
@LadyRuin2012 That's a very positive attitude. There are so many children that desperately need parents but are systematically overlooked because most view adopted children not as their real children.
Really, I applaud your opinion :)
CaraDanaellea 1 year ago
Lol, ridicolous, why don't people like you suicide? Ah i know: you make this video only for views...retard...long live human race
MisterPerfect1989 1 year ago
@MisterPerfect1989 You forgot "commit". If you're going to judge others, why don't you learn proper grammar first? Fail.
klb084 1 year ago
@klb084 I'm not english, genious!
MisterPerfect1989 1 year ago
@MisterPerfect1989 Ok I apologize, but you missed my point. I was only saying, no one is perfect. I'm not, you're not. Just because some people don't want to have children doesn't mean they should kill themselves. We all have a right to our opinions, but that was harsh.
klb084 1 year ago
@klb084 From what i have read, you final aim is to get the human race extinct...so i say, if you want to kill the human race, why don't you begin with you? In my opinion the human race have got some problems, but we are the most evolved species on the earth, and we can be better! We have to colonize space for instance....
MisterPerfect1989 1 year ago
@MisterPerfect1989 I don't want us extinct, I just don't want us overpopulating. I have no problem with people who want children. My best friend has a child I adore. Even though there are those of us who don't want to reproduce it doesn't mean it's going to hurt anything. There is still a much higher percentage of people who want children. We will always be a plentiful species. We're not going anywhere just because a few of us have decided to go against nature.
klb084 1 year ago
@klb084 I saw a Facebook group in italian (my nation) where they say they would like to see our race extinct! I also don't want overpopulation to be honest, but the name of the movement is Voluntary Human Extinction...and i found that ridicolous...we are the most evolved known race...we're not perfect...but i don't understand who says "save the earth with the extinction of the human race", that's all
MisterPerfect1989 1 year ago
@MisterPerfect1989 No, I'm not involved in any of that. I've heard of it though and I don't understand it either. My extent of being childfree is just I'm just a selfish girl that doesn't want to share her time, space, or money with kids. And once again I do apologize for being rude on my first comment.
klb084 1 year ago
@klb084 The funny thing is that i also don't want to have childrens, but not to contribute to the human race extinction but for your same idea :) So i think we are very similar, we didn't understand us ;)
MisterPerfect1989 1 year ago
@MisterPerfect1989 Haha, I guess we didn't. :)
klb084 1 year ago
@MisterPerfect1989 It's called Voluntary Human Extinction for the shock value. The main goal is to reduce population by abstaining from having children, because the planet is already overpopulated. It's not that humans have to go extinct, it's just that we should learn to accept that not everybody has an obligation to have children.
What I want is that it is accepted NOT to have kids and persons to think about the rest of society before having more than two kids.
CaraDanaellea 1 year ago
@CaraDanaellea You don't want extinction? Why it is called Voluntary Human Extinction so?
MisterPerfect1989 1 year ago